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Speaker 1: Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and

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Speaker 1: analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday, March eighteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. I'm your host, Cynthia Littleton. I am co

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of Variety alongside Ramin Setuda. I'm in

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Speaker 1: La He's in New York, and Variety has reporters around

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Speaker 1: the world covering the business of entertainment. On today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we'll hear from Variety's Mark Malkin, who chatted with Zendeia

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Speaker 1: on the red carpet for the premiere of eight twenty

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Speaker 1: four's latest The Drama. Variety reporter Jack Dunn details one

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Speaker 1: of his cult favorite digital series on Cinema at the Cinema,

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Speaker 1: and he explains why it's had such a long run

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Speaker 1: with gen Z cinophiles. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: here are a few headlines just in this morning that

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Speaker 1: you need to know. Ms NOW has shaken up its

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Speaker 1: programming lineup. You're alivel She takes over the eleventh Hour,

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Speaker 1: the New York's final show of every night. Anchor Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Rule will move into a new nine to eleven AM slot.

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Speaker 1: There are a few more changes. My colleague Brian Steinberg

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Speaker 1: has the scoop. Viewership for the Oscar telecast came in

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Speaker 1: a little light this year seventeen point nine million viewers

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Speaker 1: on linear, down nine percent from last year. That's not

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Speaker 1: a great sign. ABC gets two more Oscar ceremonies, including

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Speaker 1: the one hundredth anniversary ceremony until the Right shift to

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Speaker 1: YouTube in twenty twenty nine. California has handed out nearly

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Speaker 1: three hundred million in production tax incentives to HBO Max's

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Speaker 1: The Pit, HBO's I Love La and Rooster, as well

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Speaker 1: as other non HBO programs. The incentive effort has been

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Speaker 1: expanded to include animated series and reality competition shows. Disney's

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Speaker 1: Family Guy spinoff Stewie took advantage of that, Harry and

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Speaker 1: Megan and Netflix unhappily ever after, My colleague Matt Donnelly

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Speaker 1: has a deep dive into what went south for the

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Speaker 1: expat Royals in their programming partnership with Netflix. All of

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Speaker 1: these stories and so much more can be found on

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Speaker 1: Variety dot com right now. And now it's time for

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Speaker 1: conversations with Friday journalists about news and trends in show business.

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Speaker 1: Mark Malkin had a great conversation with Zendeia at the

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Speaker 1: premiere of her latest film, A twenty four's the Drama.

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Speaker 1: Zendeia dressed for the event with intention and purpose, as

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Speaker 1: she explains to.

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Speaker 2: Mark Thanks Cynthia, I was on the red carpet last

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Speaker 2: night at the premiere of Zendeia and Robert Pattinson's Knew

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Speaker 2: Crazy of a Ride romantic thriller or maybe it's a comedy.

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Speaker 2: The drama. Did you play a couple about to get

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Speaker 2: married when things begin to unravel after the bride played

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Speaker 2: by Zendia reveals a dark secret to our husband to

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Speaker 2: be played by Patson and their two best friends. Zendeia

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Speaker 2: stunned at the premiere in the same vintage Vivian Westwood

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Speaker 2: wedding dress she wore to the Oscars in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: I got to ask about the dress fifteen in Oscars?

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Speaker 2: Is it the same one? What made you wear the

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Speaker 2: same dress from the twenty fifteen Oscar.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to, you know, brainstorming is law about

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Speaker 3: how I would deem dressed for this film, and I

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Speaker 3: kind of remembered the saying something old, something new, something borrowed,

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Speaker 1: So this is my something old.

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Speaker 4: So I thought I'd bring it back and give it

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Speaker 3: And it meant so much to me.

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Speaker 4: This dress, I think, you know, it was such an

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Speaker 4: important moment for myself, for my community, for my loved ones,

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Speaker 2: That was Ndea also teased what's to come on the

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Speaker 2: much anticipated third season of Euphoria Euphoria, What have you seen?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: Cheriex apout?

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Speaker 1: I've I've seen a little bit, but there's a gotcha.

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Speaker 1: It was a whirlwind.

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Speaker 4: I usually did what I do in eight months in

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Speaker 2: Whoa.

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Speaker 1: So I just was like, you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: Like trying to get eight episodes in in one at one.

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Speaker 4: So it was it just like flew by me. But

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Speaker 2: For more of my interview with Venda plus Robert Pattinson

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Speaker 2: Talking Dune, Part three, check out my column Just for

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Speaker 2: Variety at Variety dot com. You can also watch it

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Speaker 2: all on Varieties social channels.

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Speaker 1: And now we turn to Jack Dunn, a Variety reporter

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Speaker 1: with a big appetite for movies. He wrote an appreciation

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Speaker 1: of on Cinema at the Cinema, a long running but

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Speaker 1: mostly under the radar digital series that lovingly spoofs movie reviews,

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Speaker 1: gives you a flavor of the humor. This is stars

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Speaker 1: Tim Heideker and Greg Turkington talking in their usual banter

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Speaker 1: by my conversation with Jack Hi doing.

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Speaker 5: My name is Tim Hideker. I'm the host of On

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Speaker 5: Cinema at the Cinema. I'm here with Greg Turkington, one

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, good to be here.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a look at some of our favorite moments

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Speaker 5: from On Cinema at the Cinema. Hi, everybody, my name

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Speaker 5: is Tim Hideker. You're watching On Cinema at the Cinema,

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Speaker 5: the episodes that talk about what movies are coming out

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Speaker 5: this weekend and hopefully give you some advice whether or

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Speaker 5: I should see these movies coming up. Some of these

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Speaker 5: movies just skip because a junk.

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Speaker 6: John Goodman should be renamed John great man after this,

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Speaker 6: because he's Oscar worthy.

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Speaker 5: It kind of reminds me of Russell Crowe, speaking of

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Speaker 5: the other movie you talked about earlier. I falls getting

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Speaker 5: four bags of popcorn from me, and Lincoln is getting

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Speaker 5: six bags.

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Speaker 1: With two sodas well.

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Speaker 6: I thought only went up to five, so.

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Speaker 5: I'm giving it six bags of popcorns and six cancels.

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Speaker 6: The scale only goes up to five, but I'll give

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Speaker 5: Six bags of popcorns.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to say five is the That's at

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Speaker 6: maybe a little toy pistol filled with some soft drink

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Speaker 6: gonna throw in a roll of Lincoln pennies, a big

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Speaker 6: hobbit hug, all right, if you had those those little

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Speaker 2: Candy, all right, So let's move on any randy bar

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Speaker 6: I'm throwing an extra tub of popcorn from mister John Goodman,

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Speaker 7: Me today it's a pleasure as an avid listener. I'm

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Speaker 1: Cynthia, you wrote a love letter to a show that

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Speaker 1: you have liked for a long time, a digital show

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Speaker 1: on Cinema and why does it have such a strong

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Speaker 7: In a first launch as a podcast almost fifteen years now.

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Speaker 7: You know, it was funny when I was talking to

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Speaker 7: Mark Prutch, who what we do in the Shadow Star

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Speaker 7: it's hard to describe what On Cinema is about, sounding

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Speaker 7: Cinema is this sprawling comedic soap opera. And basically it

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Speaker 7: is this low budget Cisco and Ebert knockoff show that

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Speaker 7: you know, hiding underneath all that is this sprawling narrative

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Speaker 7: about these two guys who are essentially just these ego

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Speaker 7: The places it goes are are really astonishing, you know.

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Speaker 7: It really goes to some dark places and some silly places.

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Speaker 7: It's it's like the craziest live theater experience. You know,

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Speaker 7: It's really something you almost have to watch just to

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Speaker 1: Well, that is very true, because I read your story

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Speaker 1: and it was very intriguing, but I still didn't have

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Speaker 1: quite the sense. I pulled up pulled up a couple

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Speaker 1: as you explained to me, those are in fact the

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Speaker 1: real actors' names, but they are playing characters.

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Speaker 7: When they started the show as a podcast in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 7: this is kind of where they started to bond as collaborators.

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Speaker 7: They just recorded the podcast kind of this parody of

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Speaker 1: So obviously they've been around a long time, but they

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Speaker 7: I think the fandom is a lot of people, my

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Speaker 1: And of course Tim Heideker has a long history in

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Speaker 1: the Adult Swim world. What is it about the way

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Speaker 7: those gut feelings that was like, somebody out there thinks

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Speaker 7: the exact same things I think are funny, Like are funny.

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Speaker 7: It's like a warm, comforting feeling. It was on YouTube

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Speaker 7: High Network Hi. It's the first couple of letters of

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Speaker 1: go as a film buff that yourself. I'm curious, Jack,

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Speaker 7: I'm probably watching at least twenty movies a month. I've

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Speaker 1: That is what this country needs to bring the movie

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Speaker 1: business back to that fabled twenty nineteen level. Jack, thank

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Speaker 1: you for writing this great story. It's always good when

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Speaker 1: you can marry your job with your pop culture passions,

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Speaker 1: and you can definitely get a lot of that here, Ridy.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Cnthia appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: see what comes out of it. My colleagues Elsa Kaslasi,

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Speaker 1: Series Mania will produce the first of five digital dailies

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Speaker 1: review of Apple TV's latest drama series, Imperfect Women, starring

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Moss, Carrie Washington, and Katemarra. My colleague Aromaede Tenubu

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Speaker 1: He officially starts his tenure as Disney CEO on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: March nineteenth. We love to hear from our listeners, so

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Speaker 1: to podcasts at variety dot com. Before we go, Congrats

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Speaker 1: to Ariana Ozanto and Jeffrey Bennett. They've both been promoted

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Speaker 1: at sag Aftra. Ozanto has been named chief Operating Officer

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Speaker 1: This episode was written and reported by me Cynthia Littleton,

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Speaker 1: with contributions from Mark malkoln and Jack Dunn. Stick Snick's

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