WEBVTT - Goldie 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:06.280 Yeah. With me and my partner, we laughed so hard. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.959 I mean, I think I paid myself this morning with laughter. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.080 It's a little bit, it's a little bit game out 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.880 and I'm like, you know, we're laughing, believe or not. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.680 Of the ceramic tiles. I mean, it was all to 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:20.640 do with what do you want for Christmas? And you know, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:22.640 do you know do we have an Ella verse for 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.079 twelve years? And she doesn't want diamonds, You doesn't want cars. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.280 She just wants sereric titles. I'm like, this is brilliant 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:34.159 because it was. I couldn't wish for anything better. Hello, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.280 I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to The Many Questions Season two. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:43.320 I've always loved Christ's Questionnaire. It was originally an nineteenth 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.840 century parlor game where players would ask each other thirty 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.560 five questions aimed at revealing the other player's true nature. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.280 It's just the scientific method really. In asking different people 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.600 the same set of questions, you can make observations about 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.520 which truths appeared to me universe. I love this discipline 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.520 and it made me wonder, what if these questions were 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.320 just the jumping off point, what greater depths would be 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.360 revealed if I ask these questions as conversation starters with 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.440 thought leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. So 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.360 I adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own seven 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.720 questions that I personally think a pertinent to a person's story. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.160 They are when and where were you happiest? What is 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.640 the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, real 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.399 or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would you 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.520 most like answered, What person, place, or experience has shaped 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.280 you the most? What would be your last meal? And 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.959 can you tell me something in your life that's grown 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.360 out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a group 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.920 of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored and 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.640 humbled to have had the chance to engage with. You 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.080 may not hear their answers to all seven of these questions. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.520 We've whittled it down to which questions felt closest to 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.800 their experience or the most surprising, or created the most 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:09.520 fertile ground to connect My guest today on many questions? 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.320 Is the artist Goldie? To me? Goldie was the face 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.600 and sound of drummer, bass and jungle in the UK 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.560 in the early nineties. He captured this electric vibe and 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.480 blasted it from the Midlands in England to London and 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.560 onto New York. He started out as a street artist 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:35.280 and art is where he has returned to. Now, you're 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.800 such a considered bloke. If you can tell me where 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.280 and when were you happiest, If you're talking past tense, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.000 the happiest times, I always been making musical painting. It's 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.519 not past tense. It's really now in the present. Really, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.360 I have a fascination with time. That the reason on 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.280 every day I wake up and think I'm here and 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.720 I'm very, very lucky. And I walk up to the 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.079 mountain our high copples like a ten came hard going 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:02.519 up and down. And I do that like three or 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.440 four times a week. I am in an end of smiles. Indeed, yes, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.880 you know for me being up in the jungle and 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.040 into the lake and a lot of the times, I 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.600 do a lot of a lot of it on my own. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.320 But just being in that environment and seeing life in 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.000 death in front of you, right in front of you, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.840 is a really beautiful reminder of how how insignificant we are. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.480 And I got there and scream and crying and laugh, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.359 and I find that being the happiest there's an urgency 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.920 as well. There's always been that thing where I feel like, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.520 even though I came here to retire, I actually did 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.680 the reverse and found myself in a whole of the 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.280 way and finding what happiness really means. Because having all 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.520 of the cars and ferraris and all of this stuff, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.680 it just never made me happy. It really didn't. And 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.040 I felt that I was very destructive, and I felt 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:52.400 that all the things that you think are going to 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.520 make you happy actually don't and helps the wealth. And 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.800 it's weird that's changed. I know so little now and 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.040 that makes me more at peace with myself. And we 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.440 said that time doesn't exist. Do you mean that it 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.720 really is just a human mental construct that we've created 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.600 to sort of give life? Meaning what do you mean 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.920 by that? You know, when you study or you look 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.560 at deja vous or the sense of being somewhere, it 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.400 happens to me a lot places, and whether it's in 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.480 the jungle or just the moment. I do think that 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.680 we you know, this is mental construct, but I also 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.960 feel that it's also preordained. I feel that whatever souls 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.080 have passed through, this is the one that I remember, 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.560 and this is the one that has accounts. And it 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.080 doesn't mean I go to that and hug trees all 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.359 day long. You know, I can eff and blind like 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.560 most when he stubs his toe. Oh, I mean I 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.440 sometimes hug trees well swearing. So I mean I think 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.880 I don't feel like they're mutually exclusive. I just think 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.000 that the idea that there is an old time of 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.400 a fascination with it is that it's all happening at 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.240 the same moment. Everything is concurrent, Everything is concurrent. The 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.320 most poignant thing for me is the power of manifestation. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.840 We're just this electric energy and we have this electorcy 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.040 that we can actually lie to light bulb. It's just 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.240 the shifting energy thinking well, okay, then if I can 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.839 create this positive energy, then there will be something because 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.039 it's the energy is just moving into some of the place. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.400 Whether it's conscious or not, it's different. And there are 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.080 lots of question do I want to be part of 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.359 the big one, the singular? Well do you have a choice? 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.120 Like do you have a choice? Individual? You don't? We 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.400 want to be an individual. That's that's ego, that's just 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.640 the ego. Yeah, But I sometimes think maybe bits of 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.360 my body think that they have autonomy my lungs are 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.760 just like, yeah, I won't do anyone. I just cruising. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.480 I just got me alveol cooking. Everything's cool. I'm just 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.160 bringing in the oxygen, you know what I mean. Like 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.680 we attached all these mental ideas about belonging. Like Addison, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.360 my boyfriend, who is a mutual friend of well, he's 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.719 a mutual friend of Goldiar me. He's my love. He 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.880 is always talking about tribes and how this sense of 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.800 belonging is so fundamental to our human experience, that we 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:01.360 find our tribes in tiny pocket in large pockets, and 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.640 that it is the sort of atavistic past time that 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.520 humans will always come back to. So we say we 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.640 want to be individual, which maybe we do. We are 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.120 born alone, we die alone, and yet in the in 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.400 between we always want to be part of something. Well. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.320 I think the tribalism is especially concurrent with the idea 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.640 of culture, tribalism moving into the metropolis of New York 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.400 and rising from the ashes. You know that culture is amazing. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.640 We think of what on the shoulders of giants with 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.520 New York and coming out of the depravity of New York, 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.479 what you personally, all of my friends, the guys that 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.760 I chased that the people that I chased that dream 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.240 and went to New York and found the Bronx on fire, 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.600 thinking this isn't the American dream and is this is 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.080 different than what it said on the tin and what 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.360 it was going to be. And it was important to 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.880 my growing because again it was straight into a tribe 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.359 that where I could belong to crew. But I felt, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.320 you know, the whole idea of tribalism in New York 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.360 with the crews, you know, actually did positive stuff when 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.320 he kind of changed from the negative gangs into positive 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.640 dances and painters and hip hop cult. She came along 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.880 and it changed everything, and even even that became gentrified 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.520 in lots of other ways, like everything does, but without 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.120 going too far off piece. I think the idea of 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:13.160 being happy in finding one's place, it really is about 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:26.360 letting go exactly. Can you tell me something that has 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.640 grown out of a personal disaster. I would never have 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.040 met my wife unless I severed my left femur water 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.320 ski jump the TV show. It was the last session 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.280 of the day. I've nailed the all day three jumps, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.760 last one showing off sock off, landing the water to 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.880 wait soil. It's turned the leg snapped the femur, and 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.640 it was like, this was the end of me. This 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.560 is like your legs flowing in the water that way. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.800 You think this is the end of it. And I 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.360 was in hospital for like four months and the guy 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.480 next to me had his leg amputated. They were going 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.640 to cut it off. When you've gone through everything and 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.560 you've got a divorce and you've gone through you know, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.600 the ego and the drugs and a rock and roll 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.560 and you you have nothing. I kind of met when 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.960 we my leg was broken. I was in pieces. I 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.960 was never gonna walk again properly. I was done. I 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.440 was at the bottom of it all. And I think 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.960 it was great meeting then, because I healed in a 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.200 really good way. That's amazing. I went to Shanghai on 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.760 a pair of crutches, you know, just before I started 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.320 in this whole yoga thing. And wait, why did you 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.240 go to Shanghai? I went to DJ and Shanghai a 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.360 place called bon Bone, and it was a gig that 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.760 was canceled and it got reslotted and I went there 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.360 and I still had crutches, and I was limping into 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.040 this dinner at the New Heights in Hong Kong. I 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.480 was sitting at dinner and my friend was on the 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.320 phone and he said, he said, look, I'm not gonna 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:40.959 make it for the dinner. And we've got like twenty 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.200 people at this dinner table come to host me, And 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:44.679 what do you mean you're not coming? And all of 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.640 a sudden, I just saw this woman walking hang On, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.240 Dave hang On, and she was standing there and all 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:51.600 of a sudden, it pops his head around the court. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.960 He was with her, and that was it. And we 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.400 never looked back. We even went to Beijing and I 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.920 wrote on the wall and never forget it. In the 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.040 back of a changing room after I've done a gig, 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.800 I wrote Sakoko on the war in ga fee Laires, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.320 and that's going to be the name of our daughter. Yeah, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.840 we actually dated. I'd seen her in Shanghai and then 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.920 went on this little tour stay in Japan. It was 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.760 the stranger said, I've got to say this because it's 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.800 really important. We were staying in Japan. I'd arranged when 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.719 I first met her in Hong Kong to let's meet 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.959 up somewhere. Let's meet up in Japan. And we had 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:27.199 this big suite and we sat and watched a wonderful 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.800 film called Ashes to Snow by James Coburn, is a 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.320 prolific photographer filmmaker. And we sat holding hands on this 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.760 bed and we cried and never made out. And we 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.080 spent a year writing lets before we even got together, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.959 a whole year, and those those letters turned into love 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.120 Box One, Love Box to love Box Free, which we 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.679 have in this house for my daughter when she grows up, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.400 she will have all of these letters. There are hundreds 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.640 of them. I mean, like I was in England and 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.640 I was writing a letter a day. At one point 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.960 it was insane. After all of the disasters I'd had. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.640 This wonderful love came is wonderful love letters. But I've 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.760 constantly had a real support of my wife and friends 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.280 to be able to have this time to write stuff 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.040 and and really explore these different things, you know, unlike 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.800 a lot of my friends that can read really well, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.000 and I can't. But I can write, but I can't 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.760 read that well. But I love the idea of legacy, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.920 and I love the idea of my different children understanding 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.680 different things. And I write them letters sometimes so that 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.880 when I do pass on that they can read them 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.200 and they can understand it from the horse's mouth. Yeah, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.760 what are we going to really leave? That's important for 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.640 me is legacy is important? To legacy is important so 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.920 that you know, the kids have paintings and they have 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.080 books and writings, and they have my words and not 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.360 the idea where you know, I saw the art world 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.559 and lots of people that died penniless. And also some 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.079 critics decize that they think they understand what the painting 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.560 means and the part of the artist is long gone. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.160 But in the digital age and where we are now, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.240 everything is kind of recorded. We have the ability to 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.280 pick up a phone record our thoughts and feelings. You know, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.880 some people write books and do different things. There's not 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.520 a day that goes by. I don't think of death 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.600 in a good way of what you know, it's death 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.640 coming and it's there. And what do I want to 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:18.640 leave behind? A phone, some pictures and means my legacy 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.360 is my phone with twenty four thousand photographs and nineteen 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:32.800 thousand videos. What question would you most like answered? I 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.640 saw that earlier on and I thought this is gonna 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.400 be very tricky. I think for me, the government that 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.640 are in power, why are they determined to kill the 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.760 arts if you could honestly answer it, because there seems 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.520 to be an agenda with it. It doesn't make any 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.040 sense to me at all. Everything the human race has 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.160 ever experienced, we've come out of it through art music. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.839 So why do they in schools make it like art 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.000 and music are some kind of dessert that you don't 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.360 need and that it's this extra curricular concept. Yeah, within 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.880 the school frame, yeah, but it's more to do with 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.280 funding and why won't you invest in your child? Well, 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.760 you're not children before it's growing up. What was their playlists, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.200 what was their album collections were? What ardly they're like 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:21.679 when they were young. It just seems like all of 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.040 that generation of government, I just don't understand their agenda 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.200 with it. And that question i'd like to be answered, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.400 Why don't you fund the arts in the way that 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.320 it should be got such a great I want to 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.040 know that too. I feel fascinated with that because I 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.240 find that it's really weird because there was a big 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.480 debate about the m b E and it was this 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.240 whole thing about you know, they gave me this Bluepeeter 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.520 badge and said you're great, and we've got to explain 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.559 to America an MBAT. When m B is a member 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.960 of the British Empire, the Queen gives you this medal. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:56.000 It's for services to music and arts. I always felt like, great, fantastic, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.960 My mom would have loved it, and it's great, thank you. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.400 It sits on the shelf upstairs. It's a thing, and 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.360 it's great, thank you very much. But the thing what 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.160 gets me is that they were closing clubs at the time. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.559 Fabrica was got closed down, and there was this big 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:13.960 debate about people giving us these accolades, but yet they 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.400 take away the school that my son went to, and 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.360 he could have got a school on the estate that 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.280 he lived, and then he ended up doing twenty five 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.439 years in prison along with a lot of other kids 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.320 because they had no community, because the heart was sorn 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.120 out of it. And I'm thinking to myself that part 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.560 of the reason for living in another place was it 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.320 felt really odd that can't you see the wood for 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.880 the trees, that we were not investing in the youth 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.920 in the way that we should be doing. And that 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.480 really saddens me a lot. It does. It saddens me 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.400 a lot, and I like watching her grow. Cocle Sacoco 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.800 is an amazing creature. And they have Chance who's twenty three. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.120 And I'm going to be a grandfather in February, which 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.200 I'm really looking forward to. I'm like granddad at last. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.040 I speak to my son a lot, who's his Majesty's 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.360 hotel for another fifth deen years? He has fifteen more 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.760 years to go. There was a twenty five year sentence 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.480 that he received and he did that. He's doing the 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.760 whole thing and it was the beginning of the downfall 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.120 of the estate. And the estate in England is the 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.800 projects is, you know, government funded housing, which rarely has 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.600 a community that hasn't been created by the community itself. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.640 It's like the governments don't really seem to support the 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.360 building in places for people to hang out and be 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.120 part of their own community within these huge housing environments. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.400 I thought I'd learned a lot from New York and 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.920 the Bronx and being in Garrison Avenue and all those 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.720 boys in the Chad's Crew whim affiliated with. And I 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.120 was there at eighteen and I saw it really young 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.920 of how that place was, like wow, it was still 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.320 leveled in areas and it was just like they hadn't 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.240 even rebuilt the Bronx and seeing how the community aspect 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.360 of fell apart there, but they got together theirselves to 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.520 do a lot of stuff Logan. It was the same 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.600 in Harlem. It was the same, you know, of people 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.080 coming back together and building their communities themselves, not ever 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.280 relying on the government or in England the councils. And 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.280 I think that's where we're going, that's where we're heading. Well, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.960 that's where England's heading in that respect because we have 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.360 to look after our own and have that community aspect. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.560 Do you find that the things that you're teaching your 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.760 children now are very much because of things that weren't 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.800 taught to you when you were younger? Very interesting? Yes, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.800 I found with a lot of early therapy that I 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.000 was doing and especially like the work of gabbled Matti 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.320 and trauma is very amazing. It's to deal with trauma 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.520 in my experience have been separated and growing and moving 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.200 on and breakdowns and everything else, and seeing again in 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.080 a third party, seeing like a pad lock upstairs from 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.480 Cambodia with a key that set on the shelf, with 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.400 beautiful pieces of sculpture and things that I never saw 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.760 in a home when I was a kid, knowing that 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.880 she's growing up in this space and she's seeing these things, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.520 and I'm seeing it through her eyes almost, and I'm 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.560 setting it up so I'm seeing you through her eyes. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.600 And I think that's what for me, what the Hoffman 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.600 process was about. The Hoffman's a very beautiful process for 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.160 me because it kind of me to get back to 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.800 being that child and instead of suffocating my own in 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.160 a child, understanding what that's like. You can't just say, well, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.560 it's different one week. We're growing up for her worlds 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.840 that's so well that she doesn't know any difference. So 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.160 learning her all the right tools and giving her the 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.000 right stuff and when she gets emotion and seeing her 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.560 grow all of these wonderful things. And with some of 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.960 my first kids, I never experienced that, and having conversations 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.120 with my older kids about me not being there and 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.600 having an adult conversation. You know, my son did the 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.160 Hoffman which was amazing, and he's a lovely boy, Danny, 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.000 and seeing what he went through, and it's really beautiful 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.120 to to kind of pay back in a lot of ways. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.280 To Halfman is a kind of is it a cognitive 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.320 behavioral therapy situation? The Halfman process is it's like a 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.320 quad of you know, it's the west and the east 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.800 where west meats east, and it's to deal with going 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.480 back into your timeline and looking at where the trauma 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:55.120 comes from. And my issues were abandonment and be misunderstood. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.840 I chose drama, bass music and graffiti. You know, you 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.560 repeat these things that you gravitate towards. The work with 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.760 Serena Gordon and those guys at the Hoffman has been 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.200 amazing because you know, everyone goes to therapy and unpacks 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.080 the box, but no one wants to know how the 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.200 box are designed, how was the box manufacturer that fits 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.919 the stuff inside it? And I love that aspect of 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.680 it because when you start to unpack it and you 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.000 realize that we are like our mothers and fathers, whether 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.720 we like it or not, and you start you know, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.919 we we've we fight to get away from that, but 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.760 yet we're very much the same, and what changes is 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.800 our characteristics of what we decide to put it into 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.919 our lives. From an energetic point of view, so I 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.760 found that was a really good process. I found it 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.080 was a beautiful process. And I think it's the same 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.040 thing with the record label. You know, my labels twenty 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.000 six years old, you were kind of like the mold 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.680 town of DNB with this integral music. You know, I've 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:49.400 got kids at the age of three making exceptional albums 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.400 continuing to do so. And I love that because it's 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:56.119 something that I've always served because you have to create 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.240 this platform, and you know, these kids have following me, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.600 they do this stuff, and they're making some amazing, easy music. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.160 And I find that probably the most rewarding of all 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.800 because you knows a kid called Spencer, he was twenty 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.480 two at the time and he just then his first 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.639 remix for me and he was playing after Me and 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.800 Egg in King's Cross and he came on after me 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.320 after playing it out and I murdered it and he 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.040 came on and he absolutely just destroyed the club in 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.760 a good way. And seeing this kid taking the reins 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.760 and these kids like who is this guy? And is 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.600 this protege? And there are a few of these protejays 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.800 have come along with the music, and so many of 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.200 the artists on the label are phenomenal, you know, Phase 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:33.520 and all these are the kids. I could go on 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.240 with a list of the artists that we have, but 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.919 I found that the most rewarding over the years, because 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.439 when you're not the guy you know, you kind of 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.640 fall away. You do something else, and that's something else. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:50.280 He's providing a platform for others. All right, So this 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.480 might go back to your roots or it maybe where 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.960 you're currently. But what would be your last meal? Oh? 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.240 It says easy, that's easy. It's bacon ex Sani, Sani 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:06.960 has a sandwich BAGINGI right, listen, it's truly, says banging 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:11.160 Sany from Dunsley Farm in shrin in Hartfordshire, England. Wait 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.640 back bacon or streaky bacon, dreaky man smoke streaky okay, 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.760 crispy or still a bit floppy? Just about to turn 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.840 with the egg over? Easies you guys, say on some beautiful, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.320 beautiful sour doll with poppy seeds, says to me, trimming 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.560 on the edge. And that's me with a couple of Yorks. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:33.439 Should see, I'm yours, say me. That's my meal, probably 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.000 the most unhealthy meal I mean, but that's my thing. 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:44.240 Lived in Thailand for twelve years. I was just remembering 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.240 arriving at to thirty in the morning. I was on 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.680 my way to Cambodia, and I went walking down to 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.479 the streets of Bangkok, and I was so hungry, and 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.439 all they really seemed to be were lovely shiny black 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:57.800 insects on skiers at the side of the road having 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.600 just come off a fire. And I was like, very well, 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.760 one in Bangkok delicious though. I mean, I don't eat 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.320