1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. With me and my partner, we laughed so hard. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I paid myself this morning with laughter. 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: It's a little bit, it's a little bit game out 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, we're laughing, believe or not. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Of the ceramic tiles. I mean, it was all to 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: do with what do you want for Christmas? And you know, 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: do you know do we have an Ella verse for 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: twelve years? And she doesn't want diamonds, You doesn't want cars. 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: She just wants sereric titles. I'm like, this is brilliant 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: because it was. I couldn't wish for anything better. Hello, 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm Mini Driver. Welcome to The Many Questions Season two. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: I've always loved Christ's Questionnaire. It was originally an nineteenth 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: century parlor game where players would ask each other thirty 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: five questions aimed at revealing the other player's true nature. 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: It's just the scientific method really. In asking different people 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: the same set of questions, you can make observations about 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: which truths appeared to me universe. I love this discipline 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: and it made me wonder, what if these questions were 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: just the jumping off point, what greater depths would be 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: revealed if I ask these questions as conversation starters with 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: thought leaders and trailblazers across all these different disciplines. So 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: I adapted prus questionnaire and I wrote my own seven 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: questions that I personally think a pertinent to a person's story. 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: They are when and where were you happiest? What is 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: the quality you like least about yourself? What relationship, real 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: or fictionalized, defines love for you? What question would you 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: most like answered, What person, place, or experience has shaped 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: you the most? What would be your last meal? And 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: can you tell me something in your life that's grown 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: out of a personal disaster? And I've gathered a group 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: of really remarkable people, ones that I am honored and 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: humbled to have had the chance to engage with. You 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: may not hear their answers to all seven of these questions. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: We've whittled it down to which questions felt closest to 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: their experience or the most surprising, or created the most 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: fertile ground to connect My guest today on many questions? 37 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Is the artist Goldie? To me? Goldie was the face 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and sound of drummer, bass and jungle in the UK 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: in the early nineties. He captured this electric vibe and 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: blasted it from the Midlands in England to London and 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: onto New York. He started out as a street artist 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: and art is where he has returned to. Now, you're 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: such a considered bloke. If you can tell me where 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: and when were you happiest, If you're talking past tense, 45 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: the happiest times, I always been making musical painting. It's 46 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: not past tense. It's really now in the present. Really, 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: I have a fascination with time. That the reason on 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: every day I wake up and think I'm here and 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: I'm very, very lucky. And I walk up to the 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: mountain our high copples like a ten came hard going 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: up and down. And I do that like three or 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: four times a week. I am in an end of smiles. Indeed, yes, 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: you know for me being up in the jungle and 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: into the lake and a lot of the times, I 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of a lot of it on my own. 56 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: But just being in that environment and seeing life in 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: death in front of you, right in front of you, 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: is a really beautiful reminder of how how insignificant we are. 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: And I got there and scream and crying and laugh, 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: and I find that being the happiest there's an urgency 61 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: as well. There's always been that thing where I feel like, 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: even though I came here to retire, I actually did 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: the reverse and found myself in a whole of the 64 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: way and finding what happiness really means. Because having all 65 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: of the cars and ferraris and all of this stuff, 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: it just never made me happy. It really didn't. And 67 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: I felt that I was very destructive, and I felt 68 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: that all the things that you think are going to 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: make you happy actually don't and helps the wealth. And 70 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: it's weird that's changed. I know so little now and 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: that makes me more at peace with myself. And we 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: said that time doesn't exist. Do you mean that it 73 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: really is just a human mental construct that we've created 74 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: to sort of give life? Meaning what do you mean 75 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: by that? You know, when you study or you look 76 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: at deja vous or the sense of being somewhere, it 77 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: happens to me a lot places, and whether it's in 78 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: the jungle or just the moment. I do think that 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: we you know, this is mental construct, but I also 80 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: feel that it's also preordained. I feel that whatever souls 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: have passed through, this is the one that I remember, 82 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: and this is the one that has accounts. And it 83 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I go to that and hug trees all 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: day long. You know, I can eff and blind like 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: most when he stubs his toe. Oh, I mean I 86 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: sometimes hug trees well swearing. So I mean I think 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't feel like they're mutually exclusive. I just think 88 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: that the idea that there is an old time of 89 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: a fascination with it is that it's all happening at 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: the same moment. Everything is concurrent, Everything is concurrent. The 91 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: most poignant thing for me is the power of manifestation. 92 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: We're just this electric energy and we have this electorcy 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: that we can actually lie to light bulb. It's just 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: the shifting energy thinking well, okay, then if I can 95 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: create this positive energy, then there will be something because 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: it's the energy is just moving into some of the place. 97 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: Whether it's conscious or not, it's different. And there are 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: lots of question do I want to be part of 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: the big one, the singular? Well do you have a choice? 100 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Like do you have a choice? Individual? You don't? We 101 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: want to be an individual. That's that's ego, that's just 102 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: the ego. Yeah, But I sometimes think maybe bits of 103 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: my body think that they have autonomy my lungs are 104 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I won't do anyone. I just cruising. 105 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: I just got me alveol cooking. Everything's cool. I'm just 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: bringing in the oxygen, you know what I mean. Like 107 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: we attached all these mental ideas about belonging. Like Addison, 108 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: my boyfriend, who is a mutual friend of well, he's 109 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: a mutual friend of Goldiar me. He's my love. He 110 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: is always talking about tribes and how this sense of 111 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: belonging is so fundamental to our human experience, that we 112 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: find our tribes in tiny pocket in large pockets, and 113 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: that it is the sort of atavistic past time that 114 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: humans will always come back to. So we say we 115 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: want to be individual, which maybe we do. We are 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: born alone, we die alone, and yet in the in 117 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: between we always want to be part of something. Well. 118 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I think the tribalism is especially concurrent with the idea 119 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: of culture, tribalism moving into the metropolis of New York 120 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: and rising from the ashes. You know that culture is amazing. 121 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: We think of what on the shoulders of giants with 122 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: New York and coming out of the depravity of New York, 123 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: what you personally, all of my friends, the guys that 124 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: I chased that the people that I chased that dream 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: and went to New York and found the Bronx on fire, 126 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: thinking this isn't the American dream and is this is 127 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: different than what it said on the tin and what 128 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: it was going to be. And it was important to 129 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: my growing because again it was straight into a tribe 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: that where I could belong to crew. But I felt, 131 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, the whole idea of tribalism in New York 132 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: with the crews, you know, actually did positive stuff when 133 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: he kind of changed from the negative gangs into positive 134 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: dances and painters and hip hop cult. She came along 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: and it changed everything, and even even that became gentrified 136 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: in lots of other ways, like everything does, but without 137 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: going too far off piece. I think the idea of 138 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: being happy in finding one's place, it really is about 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: letting go exactly. Can you tell me something that has 140 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: grown out of a personal disaster. I would never have 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: met my wife unless I severed my left femur water 142 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: ski jump the TV show. It was the last session 143 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: of the day. I've nailed the all day three jumps, 144 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: last one showing off sock off, landing the water to 145 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: wait soil. It's turned the leg snapped the femur, and 146 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: it was like, this was the end of me. This 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: is like your legs flowing in the water that way. 148 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: You think this is the end of it. And I 149 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: was in hospital for like four months and the guy 150 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: next to me had his leg amputated. They were going 151 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: to cut it off. When you've gone through everything and 152 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: you've got a divorce and you've gone through you know, 153 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: the ego and the drugs and a rock and roll 154 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: and you you have nothing. I kind of met when 155 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: we my leg was broken. I was in pieces. I 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: was never gonna walk again properly. I was done. I 157 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: was at the bottom of it all. And I think 158 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: it was great meeting then, because I healed in a 159 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: really good way. That's amazing. I went to Shanghai on 160 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: a pair of crutches, you know, just before I started 161 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: in this whole yoga thing. And wait, why did you 162 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: go to Shanghai? I went to DJ and Shanghai a 163 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: place called bon Bone, and it was a gig that 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: was canceled and it got reslotted and I went there 165 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: and I still had crutches, and I was limping into 166 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: this dinner at the New Heights in Hong Kong. I 167 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: was sitting at dinner and my friend was on the 168 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: phone and he said, he said, look, I'm not gonna 169 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: make it for the dinner. And we've got like twenty 170 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: people at this dinner table come to host me, And 171 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: what do you mean you're not coming? And all of 172 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: a sudden, I just saw this woman walking hang On, 173 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: Dave hang On, and she was standing there and all 174 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it pops his head around the court. 175 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: He was with her, and that was it. And we 176 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: never looked back. We even went to Beijing and I 177 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: wrote on the wall and never forget it. In the 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: back of a changing room after I've done a gig, 179 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: I wrote Sakoko on the war in ga fee Laires, 180 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: and that's going to be the name of our daughter. Yeah, 181 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: we actually dated. I'd seen her in Shanghai and then 182 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: went on this little tour stay in Japan. It was 183 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: the stranger said, I've got to say this because it's 184 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: really important. We were staying in Japan. I'd arranged when 185 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: I first met her in Hong Kong to let's meet 186 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: up somewhere. Let's meet up in Japan. And we had 187 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: this big suite and we sat and watched a wonderful 188 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: film called Ashes to Snow by James Coburn, is a 189 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: prolific photographer filmmaker. And we sat holding hands on this 190 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: bed and we cried and never made out. And we 191 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: spent a year writing lets before we even got together, 192 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: a whole year, and those those letters turned into love 193 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: Box One, Love Box to love Box Free, which we 194 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: have in this house for my daughter when she grows up, 195 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: she will have all of these letters. There are hundreds 196 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: of them. I mean, like I was in England and 197 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: I was writing a letter a day. At one point 198 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: it was insane. After all of the disasters I'd had. 199 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: This wonderful love came is wonderful love letters. But I've 200 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: constantly had a real support of my wife and friends 201 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: to be able to have this time to write stuff 202 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: and and really explore these different things, you know, unlike 203 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: a lot of my friends that can read really well, 204 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: and I can't. But I can write, but I can't 205 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: read that well. But I love the idea of legacy, 206 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: and I love the idea of my different children understanding 207 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: different things. And I write them letters sometimes so that 208 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: when I do pass on that they can read them 209 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: and they can understand it from the horse's mouth. Yeah, 210 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: what are we going to really leave? That's important for 211 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: me is legacy is important? To legacy is important so 212 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: that you know, the kids have paintings and they have 213 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: books and writings, and they have my words and not 214 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: the idea where you know, I saw the art world 215 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: and lots of people that died penniless. And also some 216 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: critics decize that they think they understand what the painting 217 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: means and the part of the artist is long gone. 218 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: But in the digital age and where we are now, 219 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: everything is kind of recorded. We have the ability to 220 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: pick up a phone record our thoughts and feelings. You know, 221 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: some people write books and do different things. There's not 222 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: a day that goes by. I don't think of death 223 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: in a good way of what you know, it's death 224 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: coming and it's there. And what do I want to 225 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: leave behind? A phone, some pictures and means my legacy 226 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: is my phone with twenty four thousand photographs and nineteen 227 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: thousand videos. What question would you most like answered? I 228 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: saw that earlier on and I thought this is gonna 229 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: be very tricky. I think for me, the government that 230 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: are in power, why are they determined to kill the 231 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: arts if you could honestly answer it, because there seems 232 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: to be an agenda with it. It doesn't make any 233 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: sense to me at all. Everything the human race has 234 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: ever experienced, we've come out of it through art music. 235 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: So why do they in schools make it like art 236 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: and music are some kind of dessert that you don't 237 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: need and that it's this extra curricular concept. Yeah, within 238 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: the school frame, yeah, but it's more to do with 239 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: funding and why won't you invest in your child? Well, 240 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: you're not children before it's growing up. What was their playlists, 241 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: what was their album collections were? What ardly they're like 242 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: when they were young. It just seems like all of 243 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: that generation of government, I just don't understand their agenda 244 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: with it. And that question i'd like to be answered, 245 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: Why don't you fund the arts in the way that 246 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: it should be got such a great I want to 247 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: know that too. I feel fascinated with that because I 248 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: find that it's really weird because there was a big 249 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: debate about the m b E and it was this 250 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: whole thing about you know, they gave me this Bluepeeter 251 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: badge and said you're great, and we've got to explain 252 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: to America an MBAT. When m B is a member 253 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: of the British Empire, the Queen gives you this medal. 254 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: It's for services to music and arts. I always felt like, great, fantastic, 255 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: My mom would have loved it, and it's great, thank you. 256 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: It sits on the shelf upstairs. It's a thing, and 257 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: it's great, thank you very much. But the thing what 258 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: gets me is that they were closing clubs at the time. 259 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: Fabrica was got closed down, and there was this big 260 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: debate about people giving us these accolades, but yet they 261 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: take away the school that my son went to, and 262 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: he could have got a school on the estate that 263 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: he lived, and then he ended up doing twenty five 264 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: years in prison along with a lot of other kids 265 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: because they had no community, because the heart was sorn 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: out of it. And I'm thinking to myself that part 267 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: of the reason for living in another place was it 268 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: felt really odd that can't you see the wood for 269 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: the trees, that we were not investing in the youth 270 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: in the way that we should be doing. And that 271 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: really saddens me a lot. It does. It saddens me 272 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: a lot, and I like watching her grow. Cocle Sacoco 273 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: is an amazing creature. And they have Chance who's twenty three. 274 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: And I'm going to be a grandfather in February, which 275 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to. I'm like granddad at last. 276 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: I speak to my son a lot, who's his Majesty's 277 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: hotel for another fifth deen years? He has fifteen more 278 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: years to go. There was a twenty five year sentence 279 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: that he received and he did that. He's doing the 280 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: whole thing and it was the beginning of the downfall 281 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: of the estate. And the estate in England is the 282 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: projects is, you know, government funded housing, which rarely has 283 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: a community that hasn't been created by the community itself. 284 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: It's like the governments don't really seem to support the 285 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: building in places for people to hang out and be 286 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: part of their own community within these huge housing environments. 287 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I thought I'd learned a lot from New York and 288 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: the Bronx and being in Garrison Avenue and all those 289 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: boys in the Chad's Crew whim affiliated with. And I 290 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: was there at eighteen and I saw it really young 291 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: of how that place was, like wow, it was still 292 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: leveled in areas and it was just like they hadn't 293 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: even rebuilt the Bronx and seeing how the community aspect 294 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: of fell apart there, but they got together theirselves to 295 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff Logan. It was the same 296 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: in Harlem. It was the same, you know, of people 297 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: coming back together and building their communities themselves, not ever 298 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: relying on the government or in England the councils. And 299 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: I think that's where we're going, that's where we're heading. Well, 300 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: that's where England's heading in that respect because we have 301 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: to look after our own and have that community aspect. 302 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Do you find that the things that you're teaching your 303 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: children now are very much because of things that weren't 304 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: taught to you when you were younger? Very interesting? Yes, 305 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: I found with a lot of early therapy that I 306 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: was doing and especially like the work of gabbled Matti 307 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: and trauma is very amazing. It's to deal with trauma 308 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: in my experience have been separated and growing and moving 309 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: on and breakdowns and everything else, and seeing again in 310 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: a third party, seeing like a pad lock upstairs from 311 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: Cambodia with a key that set on the shelf, with 312 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: beautiful pieces of sculpture and things that I never saw 313 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: in a home when I was a kid, knowing that 314 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: she's growing up in this space and she's seeing these things, 315 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing it through her eyes almost, and I'm 316 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: setting it up so I'm seeing you through her eyes. 317 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's what for me, what the Hoffman 318 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: process was about. The Hoffman's a very beautiful process for 319 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: me because it kind of me to get back to 320 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: being that child and instead of suffocating my own in 321 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: a child, understanding what that's like. You can't just say, well, 322 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: it's different one week. We're growing up for her worlds 323 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: that's so well that she doesn't know any difference. So 324 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: learning her all the right tools and giving her the 325 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: right stuff and when she gets emotion and seeing her 326 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: grow all of these wonderful things. And with some of 327 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: my first kids, I never experienced that, and having conversations 328 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: with my older kids about me not being there and 329 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: having an adult conversation. You know, my son did the 330 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: Hoffman which was amazing, and he's a lovely boy, Danny, 331 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: and seeing what he went through, and it's really beautiful 332 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: to to kind of pay back in a lot of ways. 333 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: To Halfman is a kind of is it a cognitive 334 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: behavioral therapy situation? The Halfman process is it's like a 335 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: quad of you know, it's the west and the east 336 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: where west meats east, and it's to deal with going 337 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: back into your timeline and looking at where the trauma 338 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: comes from. And my issues were abandonment and be misunderstood. 339 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: I chose drama, bass music and graffiti. You know, you 340 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: repeat these things that you gravitate towards. The work with 341 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: Serena Gordon and those guys at the Hoffman has been 342 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: amazing because you know, everyone goes to therapy and unpacks 343 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: the box, but no one wants to know how the 344 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: box are designed, how was the box manufacturer that fits 345 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: the stuff inside it? And I love that aspect of 346 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: it because when you start to unpack it and you 347 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: realize that we are like our mothers and fathers, whether 348 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: we like it or not, and you start you know, 349 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: we we've we fight to get away from that, but 350 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: yet we're very much the same, and what changes is 351 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: our characteristics of what we decide to put it into 352 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: our lives. From an energetic point of view, so I 353 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: found that was a really good process. I found it 354 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: was a beautiful process. And I think it's the same 355 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: thing with the record label. You know, my labels twenty 356 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: six years old, you were kind of like the mold 357 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: town of DNB with this integral music. You know, I've 358 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: got kids at the age of three making exceptional albums 359 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: continuing to do so. And I love that because it's 360 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: something that I've always served because you have to create 361 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: this platform, and you know, these kids have following me, 362 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: they do this stuff, and they're making some amazing, easy music. 363 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: And I find that probably the most rewarding of all 364 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: because you knows a kid called Spencer, he was twenty 365 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: two at the time and he just then his first 366 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: remix for me and he was playing after Me and 367 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Egg in King's Cross and he came on after me 368 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: after playing it out and I murdered it and he 369 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: came on and he absolutely just destroyed the club in 370 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: a good way. And seeing this kid taking the reins 371 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: and these kids like who is this guy? And is 372 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: this protege? And there are a few of these protejays 373 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: have come along with the music, and so many of 374 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: the artists on the label are phenomenal, you know, Phase 375 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: and all these are the kids. I could go on 376 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: with a list of the artists that we have, but 377 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: I found that the most rewarding over the years, because 378 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: when you're not the guy you know, you kind of 379 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: fall away. You do something else, and that's something else. 380 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: He's providing a platform for others. All right, So this 381 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: might go back to your roots or it maybe where 382 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: you're currently. But what would be your last meal? Oh? 383 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: It says easy, that's easy. It's bacon ex Sani, Sani 384 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: has a sandwich BAGINGI right, listen, it's truly, says banging 385 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: Sany from Dunsley Farm in shrin in Hartfordshire, England. Wait 386 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: back bacon or streaky bacon, dreaky man smoke streaky okay, 387 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: crispy or still a bit floppy? Just about to turn 388 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: with the egg over? Easies you guys, say on some beautiful, 389 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: beautiful sour doll with poppy seeds, says to me, trimming 390 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: on the edge. And that's me with a couple of Yorks. 391 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: Should see, I'm yours, say me. That's my meal, probably 392 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: the most unhealthy meal I mean, but that's my thing. 393 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: Lived in Thailand for twelve years. I was just remembering 394 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: arriving at to thirty in the morning. I was on 395 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: my way to Cambodia, and I went walking down to 396 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: the streets of Bangkok, and I was so hungry, and 397 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: all they really seemed to be were lovely shiny black 398 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: insects on skiers at the side of the road having 399 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: just come off a fire. And I was like, very well, 400 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: one in Bangkok delicious though. I mean, I don't eat 401 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: pork myself, but I do understand a bacon and eggs, 402 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: ARENI that's a mood. That's a proper mood. And the 403 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: other thing is that I find beautiful with six million eggs, 404 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, boil the water for six minutes, the waters boiling, 405 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: and then put the eggs for six minutes. They're perfect, exactly. 406 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: And some soldiers boil taken soldiers might actually be my 407 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: last male. Really wow, look at that up one out 408 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: that there and a cup of tea. What person, place, 409 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: or experience has most altered your life? I think Mr 410 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: the Hearst, my art teacher. I think that he changed 411 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: my life completely. He sat me in front of the 412 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: window and said, draw this. You need to get past. 413 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this. In the State, 414 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: we had a thing called the no level, which is 415 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: like a It's like a pre s a T. It's 416 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: like an s A T that you take when you're sixteen, 417 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: and then you take another load of exams when you're eighteen, 418 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: called A levels. So you were studying for your O levels. 419 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: I was studying for the level in art. And I 420 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: was great at sculpture in my hands. Anything you put 421 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: in my hands, I could do it, and I could sculpture. 422 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: I was That's the thing I loved. And he said, 423 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: you can do all of that. It's great. You know 424 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: you're natural fantastic, but you're not. You need to step back, 425 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: you need to You've got to draw this side of 426 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: you have to draw. And he got me to draw 427 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: a newspaper and ash tray and you know, say glass, 428 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: paper and iron. And he got me through this exam 429 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: and after hours, the children's armor was into the time 430 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: said you could stay after school for a couple of 431 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: hours each night and stay with the art teacher. And 432 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: he changed my life. And weirdly enough, in him doing that, 433 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: I did a documentary it's really rare on Red Bull. 434 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: It was called The Alchemist, and I actually went to 435 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: surprise him when his sev on his birthday, to thank 436 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: him for what he'd done for me. I kind of 437 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: went into this little hall in Birmingham in the parish 438 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: church and you know, with an entourage of people and 439 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: managers and people who were there. And I was on 440 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: tour somewhere and I sneaked in and walked in. It 441 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: was arranged by his wife, and I sneaked in and 442 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: sat right next to him, and he looked at me, 443 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: and he didn't even reckon if you look back, and 444 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: carried a looking while he was talking. And then he 445 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: looks and he just burst into tears. And he was 446 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: a great moment. And I think those kind of moments 447 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of stay with me. It is because he he 448 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: grew up in a children's home and he reached into 449 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: that experience and saw more in you and asked more 450 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: of you. Yeah. Well, at the time, I was getting 451 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: beat and I was getting bullied at school as you 452 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: start to walk on the canal on the way home, 453 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: so I get beat up going on the main road. 454 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: It was just crazy. I mean it was there was 455 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: a period of five years where it was just like 456 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: it was hell for me. But the art class was everything, 457 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: and that was it. And and that's why I think 458 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: I always gravitated towards that, the sense of art, and 459 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: especially when graffiti came. That was the answer. Not only 460 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: was he ar and a new form of art, there 461 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: was guys doing it together. There was tribalism and community 462 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: and he was brilliant and you could paint trains and 463 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: stuff and all his mad stuff and you know, break 464 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: the law as well, and it was illegal and he 465 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: was illegal, you know. And it's it's crazy because I 466 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: have a wonderful gallery in the heart of Bangkok and 467 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: it's called the Aurum Gallery Latin for Gold, and I 468 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: have all of my friends are from around the world, 469 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, from New York, from Japan, from Mexico, from 470 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: l a and it's a brilliant contemporary gallery. And I 471 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: think to myself again, it's one of those moments where 472 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm going there on Monday. I was there two weeks ago, 473 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: and I watched in on the Wednesday and the staff 474 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: we're just opening up and there's no one in there 475 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: and just walking around this space. And it's beautiful because 476 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: my daughter can run around in there and she's looking 477 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: at all his art and she's drawing away. She loves it. 478 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: She's just really into it. But just seeing people, that's 479 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: the one thing you see that I think music has 480 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: been compromised because you can download it and the quality 481 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: sometimes he's a bit and you can reproduce it and 482 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: everything else, and people want to buy staff. But you 483 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: can't stop the idea of tribal idea of a human 484 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: being standing in a room with a painting. It just 485 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: can't be beaten. Whether it's the National Portrait Gallery or 486 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: it's a contemporary gallery, just being in a space sweet 487 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: art is something beautiful. I find it's amazing that that's 488 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: where your initial way out of what you described as 489 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: being hell through art and all through your life, through 490 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: the music and the graffiti and the crazy cruise in 491 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: New York, all the way to Thailand and back to art. 492 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: Spit mad. That isn't Yeah, it's nice. I mean it 493 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: seems to subscribe to your idea of it all being foretold. 494 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: I think in that way, but also think in turning 495 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: allowing myself to be happy is something that I couldn't do. 496 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: That everything's allowed. And I spent so much time in 497 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: chasing complexity because my life has always been very intense. 498 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: It is unpacking that and being here in Thailand helps 499 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: me to do that. So it helps you to simplify 500 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: and to be able to just see that the imperfection 501 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: is beautiful. An hour ago, I started like three sessions. 502 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: I started at one till three in the morning that 503 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: I got up, we did the school rue baby, and 504 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: I got back went straight at it. So from nine 505 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: all the way through, I do like a full a shift. Today. 506 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: I would not stop. I was just this just driven 507 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: with this painting. Driven. And not only was I driven 508 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: by the painting. I'm doing two at the same time, 509 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: and I've done them both before in different ways. It's 510 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: this style that I'm doing. It's just this complicated layers 511 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: and there were nine layers and I get to the 512 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: eighth layer and I rushed the layer and I messed 513 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: the layer up, and I'm like, I just got to 514 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: keep reminding myself that I just need So now I've 515 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: got to spend three or four hours in the morning 516 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: because I just didn't let the black dry in time. 517 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: And I've done it before and I'll do it again, 518 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: but each time i'll do it, I'm just at that 519 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: moment where I'm like, I'm driven by something. For me, 520 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: it's like music. I find that I'm driven by something 521 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: far greater than myself. And I don't know what if 522 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: it's just the spirit going mad, or I just get 523 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: driven to do something and it's not almost like it's 524 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: finished because I've done this before, but it's finding something 525 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: else in the painting. And I tried something else and 526 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: it kind of worked. But of course my sort of 527 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: things that I do that make these mistakes, they teach 528 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: me something. So I'm just like, I won't do it 529 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: with the second painting because it's it's it's the next 530 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: in line. But again, it was one of those things 531 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: that I it was it was all the way down 532 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: and I was trying to complete it in a time 533 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: frame when there is no time. So I kind of 534 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: shot myself in the foot. I think that's the thing 535 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: with people that gravitate to music, and when you do 536 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: this thing in the night and you kind of you 537 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: blow up, But all of a sudden, you give the 538 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: responsibility to all these people because you become this ego 539 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: because when you when I was a kid, all the 540 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: powers taken away from me. You know, you've got to 541 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: go in that room. You've gotta go there and you 542 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: have to do this, so you didn't have any empowerment. 543 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: So when you get the money in the cars and 544 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: all that rock and roll, that sense of you know, 545 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: you're giving it away. It's the ego giving it away, 546 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: and it's really lying on a minute, when am I 547 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: going to take charge of this year? You know, just 548 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: terrific stories of this guy's just knocked out, this guy 549 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: and that guy's just driving your mate, your mates car 550 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: and he's done that, and everyone's pulling and pushing you, 551 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: and I just got sick of that. I got sick 552 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: of all of the pulling and pushing, of almost tearing 553 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: an artist apart. That's what the scary part of sobriety 554 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: was the idea that people got away with lots of 555 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: ship while Goali was drunk, called god, he was just 556 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: crazy because they just got away with the money that people. 557 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: And it's like it was insane in the nineties for 558 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: me in that respect. And I just feel, you know, 559 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: pretty unscathed. I feel like I've got some battle wounds 560 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: and some scarf. But the great thing is the healing 561 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: process is amazing here. And I feel, you know, maybe 562 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: fifties six scaring to fifty seventies a new thirty our 563 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: second that ah, that's just brilliant. Oh my god, gold. 564 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: It's so I could literally talk to you for hours 565 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: and hearing where you are and how you have created 566 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: your life. It sounds so patronizing, going it's inspiring. It's 567 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: sucking beautiful that life unfolds and that you allow for 568 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: the evolution and you haven't judged the evolution and you've 569 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: taken the hits and you watch your son is still 570 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: taking a hit in one way, but you're still connected. 571 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: I love the how in your life and what your 572 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: life was. You are. I think that's a really beautiful thing. 573 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: And I don't know what else we're here to do 574 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: except being these lives that we've been evan you know, 575 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: and live it all. Thank you so much, Goldie. He 576 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: runs about as deep and considered as anyone I've ever 577 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: met in my life actually, and talking to him was 578 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: an absolute joy. Goldie has a new single out with 579 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: his band Subjective called Lost. Mini Questions is hosted and 580 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: written by Me Mini Driver, supervising producer Aaron Kaufman, Producer 581 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: Morgan Lavoy, Research assistant Marissa Brown. Original music Sorry Baby 582 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: by Mini Driver, Additional music by Aaron Kaufman. Executive produced 583 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: by Me Mini Driver. 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