1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: I sat in front of the speakers with my ear 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: right up against the girl claw and just felt this 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: moment of like, what is this heavenly thing? 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 3: And the fidelity of that and coming out of that 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 3: ten in speaker, you know, was just an amazing sound. 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 4: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, where music meets 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 4: storytelling and in this episode, Buzz Night is joined by 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 4: two legendary musicians, Vicki Peterson and John Cowcill. Vicky's a 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 4: founding member of the Bengals and she's been a driving 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 4: force in the music industry since the eighties, and John, 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 4: known for his work with the Cowcils and as a 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 4: longtime member of the Beach Boys touring band, brings a 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 4: wealth of musical experience. Together, they share stories of their careers, collaborations, 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 4: and their latest project, Long After the Fire, a tribute 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 4: to John's late brothers. Here's Buzznight with Vicky Peterson and 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 4: John Cowcill on the Taking a Walk Podcast. 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 5: Vicki and John, thanks for being on Taking a Walk. 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: It's great to be with you. 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: Thanks for having us you guys. 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 6: So, since the podcast is called Taking a Walk, I 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 6: have to ask you if you could take a walk 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 6: with someone living or dead. Doesn't have to be somebody 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 6: associated with music, but it could be. Who would it 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 6: be and where would you take a walk with them? 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: I would take a walk with George Harrison through his 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: gardens of the house he owned outside London, because I 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: never got to see it. We were almost invited ones 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: by Olivia and Danny, but I never got to see it. 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: I would love George to take me on a tour 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: of his gardens. 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: That would be beautiful. 33 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 6: That would be a way to spend an afternoon and 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 6: evening a morning anytime. 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: Yes, talk about music, talk about plants, talk about God, 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: talk about I'm. 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: Sure that's what George would like to tell talk about, 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: not his reputation. I wouldn't care that. Fine, go have 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: georch Okay, I'm a little more sentimental than that, So 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: as soon as you ask that, I tear up. You're 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: so cute. 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 7: Who would it be? 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: My mom? 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: Mom? 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 7: Of course, Barbara. Where would you take her? 46 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: Just Indian Avenue, walk on the beach? 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be That would be beautiful. Yeah, my god. 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: I didn't do a very good goodbye as I could 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: do over. 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 6: You know that happens, right, You never know the moments 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 6: and the things that need to be said when it's 52 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 6: in the moment, but I'm sure she yeah, or you 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 6: can't say them because you're a mess. 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 7: You can't get it out. 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: That's I'm always a mess. 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 6: Thank you for sharing sharing that. That's that that beautiful, 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 6: touching and difficult story. 58 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: You know. I appreciate you sharing. 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: You're welcome. 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 7: Yeah. 61 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: I guess the lesson here is tell people while they're here, 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: while you have them. 63 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: I know. 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 6: And it seems like we unfortunately we need perspective at 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 6: various moments, but we don't know that we need perspective, 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 6: which is the screwy thing about it, you know. 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: I think it's an odd thing about perspective. 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 6: You know, absolutely, So let me ask you, guys, how 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 6: are you doing based on you know, the fires and 70 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 6: how terrible it's been. Is it been an impactful time 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 6: for your your personal space, your friends? 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: How are you? 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, talk about perspective. 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: We are in a constant state of gratitude and anxiety 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: because we do live in a place that's vulnerable to fires, 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: and we were very very close. It came very close 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: to just up the street from us, basically, and it 78 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: was the firefighters were able to hold the line in 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: a way that was almost miraculous. 80 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 7: But we do have many friends. 81 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: Who did lose everything, and which is just it's mind boggling. 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 7: Again, you have to have the perspective. 83 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: As long as you didn't lose anything with a heartbeat, 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: you probably in pretty good to stay. 85 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 7: But but you know. 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: Losing your guitar collection or your studio or all the 87 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: you know, folders, files, you know, records, the things that 88 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: you've been working on your whole life, likely in a 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: lot of cases. 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: Your accumulated life. You know, the things, the possessions, the 91 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: physical of course, are the only things that you would 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: lose in that and. 93 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 7: A lot of emotional connections. 94 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: To those things. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But we were 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: living in New York for about two and a half years, 96 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: proceeeding that we had just moved back just in time 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: for the fires, which was like crazy, but it does. 98 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: Perspective is everything, and in this case, you know, I 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: think we're living in harm's way. We're a little older now. 100 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to go downstairs. I mean, 101 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: we have boxes down stairs marked firebox, so you know, 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: those are the first things you take and those are 103 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: constantly changing over the years. And did I upgrade them? 104 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: And it's funny. Somebody sent me a list of what 105 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: happens if you have to leave in fifteen minutes, what 106 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 3: happens if you have to leave in thirty minutes, what 107 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: happens if you've got plenty of time? You know, what 108 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: are you going to take? I left a whole truck 109 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: behind when they evacuated us, and I could have driven 110 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: it out, and I'm thinking that's a thunder move, you know, 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: a whole vehicle. But again, I would have just been 112 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: a vehicle. Somebody stole my phone in London out of 113 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: my hand on a bicycle, snatched it. I was there 114 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: for a month. It happened the first week. It's like, 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: just weird shit happens, and you know, at the end 116 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: of the day it was just a phone. I candled 117 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: the credit cards, but the same thing. Just perspective. I 118 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: love that word, and you have to look at that. 119 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: I don't feel the anxiety Vicky feels living here because 120 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: what's never going to happen is going to happen. But 121 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: I we're also considering getting out of here because I 122 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: don't want to go through that again. And it's beautiful 123 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: here and it's lovely. But you know what's the balance 124 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: of that. I can visit it, you know, don't have 125 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: to live in it. 126 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 6: Sure, well, I'm glad you're You're okay, but yet you 127 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 6: constantly have to be on watch, which is the reality 128 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 6: of it. We're going to talk about your new music, 129 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 6: the single A Thousand Times and Long After the Fire 130 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 6: and and Deliver Me. But I do want to ask you, 131 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 6: considering what we just talked about, when did you first 132 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 6: both discover the power of music and how music is 133 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 6: such an uplifting force in life. Do you remember the 134 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 6: time that you first knew that and knew this would 135 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 6: be you know, your life? 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, John, go first. I mean I my career picked me. 137 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: I didn't pick it because I was so young. We 138 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: just in my house. We always sang around the kitchen table. 139 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: We sang folks songs, we sang old country songs. There 140 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: was always music in the house because my brother Bill. 141 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: My first moment of recognizing that thing was I was 142 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: four years old in Ohio, had moved to Ohio. My 143 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: dad was in the Navy and he was on recruiter service. 144 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: Otherwise We're from Newport, RhD Island, and I remember hearing 145 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: my brother Bill singing upstairs, singing Connie Francis songs, you know, 146 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: just music, and I remember him and Bob's Bob started 147 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: playing guitar around that same time, and they went on 148 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: a local TV show I remember, called Giant Tiger, and 149 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: so I was swirling around. At that point, I hadn't 150 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: been singing. I'm still trying to learn how to write 151 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: my name, you know. And I remember laying on the 152 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: floor trying to make jay's and o's and h's and m's. 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: Those are my first really vivid memories. And then I 154 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: turned five in Ohio. Then we moved to Rhode Island 155 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: and we were living room singers. For a song I 156 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: ever sang with my hill Billy Baby, and I don't 157 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: know that one. 158 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 8: I'm sorry, my hill Billy Baby, sweetest calling town. You 159 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 8: can bet I'll see her when the sun goes down. 160 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 8: Someday I will marry her. I hope it's not too late, 161 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 8: but until tomorrow, I guess I'll have to wait anyway, 162 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 8: And I was sure twisting up my shorts. My uncle 163 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 8: Bob had the very first tape recorder we ever saw, 164 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 8: and he was recording that saying we were all singing, 165 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 8: running there and a bunch of songs like that, so 166 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 8: I grew up with that. And then of course after 167 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 8: the hoot Nanny days and singing all the folks songs, 168 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 8: the Beatles came out, and then we were in our 169 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 8: bedroom imitating the Beatles, just kind of pretending we're them, 170 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 8: playing to the records that came out. 171 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: She Loves You and I Want to hold your hand, 172 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: kind of like the rest of the world my age 173 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: did and people who are in the music, but just 174 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: because of the Beatles, because we were all there at 175 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: the same time. That's my musical education was Beach Boys, 176 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: Beatles and the British Invasion as it came quickly on 177 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 3: the heels. It just all happened so fast. You think 178 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: it was such a long time of doing things, but 179 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: everything is such small time pieces of time. The shadows 180 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: last way longer than the moment, and it just the 181 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: shadows are so real and they're still with us, and 182 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: that's why we're still doing it. That's why I'm still 183 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: in it. And I knew it four years old that 184 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 3: it was music was important, and it just became part 185 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: of my life, so it still is. 186 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Vicky was definitely a touchstone and as he said, 187 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: for most people of our generation. You know, that night 188 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: on Ed Sullivan, it was we were all there, you know, 189 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: even I was a little kid. My dad had let 190 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: me stay up late. You know, My sister, my older 191 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: sister and I were in jammies and watching it beatles 192 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: and just that feeling of like this is something special 193 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: and I don't know what it is, and I don't 194 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: know why I feel this way, but this, this has 195 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: just changed my little, you know, four year old life. 196 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: And uh. And then you know, not long after that, 197 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: I was writing songs because I that was kind of 198 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: my way to find through music. 199 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 7: You know too. 200 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: It wasn't so much learning all the songs on guitar. 201 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: It was it was finding your way inside it and 202 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: how to create it. But I do have a memory 203 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: like John's where you say the magic of music. I 204 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: remember being at a friend's house and you know, back 205 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: in the olden days, there were large pieces of furniture 206 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: that contained your record player and also the speakers covered 207 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: with girl cloth. 208 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 4: It was. 209 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: It was in the living room and it was a 210 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: large piece of furniture and I remember we were we 211 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: were playing were you know, I was in kindergarten or 212 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: something or maybe first grade at this point, and and 213 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: the radio was on and they played the new single 214 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: from the Beach Boys, Surfer Girl, and I remember stopping. 215 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: She wanted to go outside, and I said wait. And 216 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: I sat in front of the speakers with my ear 217 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: right up against the girl cloth and just felt this 218 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: moment of like, what is this heavenly thing? What is 219 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: this thing called harmony? And that that was like it 220 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: was just a magic memory for me, just just being 221 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: inside that and just just being completely bathed in that sound, 222 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 2: you know. 223 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: And the fidelity of that coming out of that ten 224 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: inch speaker, you know, it's just an amazing sound. Yeah. 225 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 6: I have a friend who does a podcast it's called 226 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 6: Celebrity Jobber, and he asks the question of the guests essentially, 227 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 6: did you have a Plan B if you weren't going 228 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 6: to be, you know, a musician. So I'm thinking in 229 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 6: both of your cases, you did not have plan b's. 230 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: You just had Plan A and that was it. 231 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: I always tell Vicky there is no such thing as 232 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: a plan B. It is only the next place I've 233 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: been asked. It's just the next plan A, because plan 234 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: B is like the lesser thing. So I don't believe 235 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: in that. It's like I fly by the seat of 236 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: my pants. I always have. Maybe it's not the best 237 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: thing to do, but I trust in plan A for 238 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: as long as it will go, and when it doesn't happen, 239 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: you're looking for the other plan A. So I don't 240 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: like the backup thing. I work without a net who's 241 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: not here today. 242 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, my mom, I went to college 243 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: and which was just a given that was going to happen, 244 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: and that was fine except for that. 245 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 7: While I was in college, I. 246 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: Was also very involved in writing, booking, and performing with 247 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: my band, and so it became way more important than 248 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: getting up at eight and going to a you know, 249 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: rhetoric midterm or something. So I loved school, and my 250 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: mother was heartbroken because I didn't have quote, anything to 251 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: fall back on, end quote. And I remember saying, mom, 252 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: if I have something to fall back on, I will 253 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: fall back. And I just I just really couldn't see it. 254 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: So I chose to discontinue my collegiate career. I never 255 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: got a degree, and I just immediately poured everything into. 256 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 7: My band. 257 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: And you know, within six months, Debbies whose Anah Hofs 258 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: and I were being the Bangs and we were taking off, so. 259 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 5: And the rest is history. 260 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 6: As they say, do you recall, Vicky, your first encounter 261 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 6: with the McDonald brothers otherwise known as Red Cross, who 262 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 6: have been on this podcast. And absolutely I couldn't get 263 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 6: through the first minute because I was just in hysterical laughter. 264 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 7: So freaking funny. Oh my gosh, those guys are genius. Yeah. 265 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: I've been really enjoying their documentary and seeing them and 266 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: their parents again, you know, in recent days. 267 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 7: It's been so great. 268 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously Red Cross was sort of infamous 269 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: slash famous in Los Angeles. We played with them at 270 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: this little dive club called Cathe to Grant. It was Redcross, 271 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: the Bangs, the Bangs and got was that like was 272 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: that black flag? 273 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 7: That might have been a black flag night? 274 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: It was one of those nights. 275 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's actually a picture of me like staring up 276 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: at Jeff McDonald like like what are you? You're amazing, 277 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: you know, and but yeah, and then and then fast 278 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: forward maybe again. As John said, time moved in different increments. 279 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: Back then, it was probably just a few months, but 280 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: the Bangs were playing in after hours show it, you know, 281 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: four in the morning at this art gallery or so, 282 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what the space was. And Jeff and 283 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: Steve McDonald show up and we were like, get them 284 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: on stage with us, and I think, you know, we 285 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: had them said we need our go go dancers out there, 286 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: so we called them up to go go dance playing 287 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: pushing too hard or something, you know, And that was 288 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: our first you know, that was our first connection. And 289 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: then then Jeff and I started dating actually not long 290 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: after that. 291 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: What sorry. 292 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 7: I mentioned the relationship with Jef mc donald. 293 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 5: It's well chronicled, it's out there. 294 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to say in Charlotte thinks it's funny 295 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: too that I toured with the Go Gos in ninety 296 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: five because Charlotte was pregnant with my ex boyfriends. 297 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: I love it. It's so fun. 298 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 7: Okay, they were married, But whatever. 299 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 6: John, who among your many people you have collaborated with, 300 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 6: who are some of the favorites, because there's so many, 301 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 6: But can you single out a couple? 302 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: Vicky? Oh really that was good? Right? 303 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 7: Good? 304 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: That's the best. 305 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 5: Later talk about perspective. 306 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 7: Well done. 307 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: It is well done, my man. 308 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: It's the most fun I'm having and and the less 309 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: work and we laugh a lot. I have worked with 310 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: many people. All situations are very different. Shoot, where do 311 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: I start. I mean, I've played with Jan and Dean, 312 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 3: So Dean Torrance has always been a big lift in 313 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: my life because I was living in my car for 314 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: a while in the late seventies, and like I say, 315 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: everything's a short, short amount of time. And I had 316 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: I had just finished a stint with a guy named 317 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: Dwight Twilly and I'm on fire right Yeah, yeah, that 318 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: guy covered and it's so funny. Ex wife it became 319 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: his wife, you know, so they were wife number My 320 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: first wife was yeah anyway, But after working with Dwight, 321 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: because that was the night night, like, I had aluminum 322 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: foil on my windows during that period, you know. So 323 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: once I got out of that, I met I went 324 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: to Santa Barbara and my mom was living up with 325 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: Santa Barbara, and I met a guy named Jeff Fosquett 326 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: and a guy named Randall Kirsh, a guy named Robbie Sharp, 327 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: and they were local band up there. I'd stopped doing 328 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: all drugs. I was getting up in the morning and 329 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: I was enjoying the daytime at this point. And I 330 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: met these people and we just played all through Santa 331 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: Barbara met the Dreamers with Bridget Pennanatti and Jesse Peninatti, 332 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 3: Perry Andati Rick Streeter and just fell into this place 333 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: and Jeff was living on the Love Foundation Mike Love's 334 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: place up on the Mesa and met him and they 335 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: got me on a couple of Mike Love and the 336 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: Endless Summer Beach Boy gigs, which was kind of cool. 337 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 3: But that introduced me, and they did a couple of 338 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: I called them a spring break shows where you go 339 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: to Daytona and you play the shelves. So Mike had 340 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: teamed up with Dean Torrence and then I had a 341 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: couple of gigs. They paid me five hundred dollars in cash. 342 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe I made that much money. And they 343 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: sent me to the Nike store so to just telling me, 344 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: you need some clothes and stuff because I had nothing. 345 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: And I went to the Nike store We're in Santa Monica. 346 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: I got shoes, all this groovy preppy clothes with just 347 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: they loaded me up with clothes. So that that was 348 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: a great moment. But I met Dean Torrance and Dean said, 349 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: what am I doing? Would I like to be in Han? 350 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: And Dean, I mean I'd like to be in any 351 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: band at that point, you know, I said, yes, sign 352 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: me up, And so I joined Shannon Dean and did 353 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: about six years with them. That was a blast, and 354 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: we played softball, we had lives off the stage. That 355 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: was just so much fun. So Dean Torrance was one 356 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: of them, a guy who really got me back in 357 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: the groove of playing music, and it just led to 358 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: other things. And yeah, nice shout out to Dean towards 359 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: another fellow pisce He's I got to wish him happy 360 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: birthday pretty soon. And and Mike loved to Playing with 361 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: the Beach Boys has been a blessing. I've played with 362 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: a lot of people. I just can't remember them all, 363 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: Like right now, one story will be to all I 364 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: played with that guy. Well, I played with that guy, 365 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 3: you know. I've been on sessions a Chuck Plotkin who 366 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 3: pre star Cocaine Drain album that nobody knows about yet 367 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: because it hadn't been reissued, but it's out there on 368 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: on Apple Music. You can hear it. My brother Bob 369 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: put it up and there's a demo and you hear 370 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: the needle scratch, you know, and that's that's It's very 371 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: funny that was a great album. And I met I 372 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 3: played a lot of people like Ernie Watts and Billy 373 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: Payne and Buzzy Feet and they all played on our album. 374 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: And and yeah, I mean I could drop a bunch 375 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: of names, but I won't because we're going to move 376 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: on to something else. 377 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 378 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 4: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 379 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 6: Well, I want to ask you, so, what would surprise 380 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 6: our listeners with each of your playlists that you have. 381 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 6: What's a couple of artists that were songs and artists 382 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 6: that would maybe surprise us that are on your your 383 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 6: respective playlists. 384 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: Okay, A groovy thing is like I get to say 385 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: I played with Bob Dylan, even though Bob wouldn't come 386 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: into the studio because we were recording at Clover. This 387 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: is all because of Chuck Plotkin, whoever he was producing. 388 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: I got to be a part of. That's why I'm 389 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: on the eight six seven five three oh nine album 390 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: with Tommy two Tones because I lived at Clover Studios 391 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: and that song was recorded there. I met Jim Keller 392 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 3: and Tommy Heath and we'd be hanging around and got 393 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: to sing backgrounds on that song and play percussion. And 394 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: then and then Bette Midler came in her No Frills album. 395 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: She does a Marshall crunch saw a song called My 396 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: Favorite Waste of Time. I think I ended up on 397 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: the floor. They cut me out because she wanted girls 398 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: after she didn't like us boys singing on it. I 399 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 3: played Timpanee on a song called Trouble on the Shotow 400 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: of Love album for Bob Dylan, you know, but he 401 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: would never come in. It was the funniest thing. Chuck 402 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: Plotkin tried to get all these artists and we got 403 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: Clytie King. We have Smitty on keyboards, we got Jim 404 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 3: Keltner and Ringo on drums. Ronnie Woods there, Duck Dun 405 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: of course, the whole the whole group is in there. 406 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: And I'm a fly on the wall. I just live 407 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: at Clover Studio. So I happened to just be in 408 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: the room again, and so you know, caliber and Jimmy 409 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: doesn't remember this, he doesn't even know me, but I 410 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: was there and we're back in the back back and 411 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: he says, okay, man, you're going to play Timptis on Trouble. 412 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: I said, okay, I am this is great, you know, 413 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: and nobody remembers, but I do because they're my memories 414 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: and that was pretty exciting. 415 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: Times, I think. 416 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: And who else came through there? Max Croenthal, he was great, 417 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: Kitty specifically, somebody who would have I not been specific 418 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 3: enough with names specifically. 419 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 6: Okay, very specific than you, but a playlist item that 420 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 6: would be specifically surprising. 421 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: Actually, we're it's funny you mentioned playlist because we're building 422 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: a playlist on Spotify that we're going to continue to 423 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: add to and including people that we have played with. 424 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 7: Before, you know, and sort of. 425 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: I mean I played on played with Dwight Twilly. I 426 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: mean that might surprise some people. I don't know, maybe 427 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 3: it's not. My life is so public that there's not 428 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: a lot of surprises. 429 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Right, No, Yeah, I. 430 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: Mean I was a kid playing with Johnny Cash on 431 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: the Johnny Cash Show. 432 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm done. 433 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 7: I'm talking you turn You've got a lot more people 434 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 7: than I do. 435 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 5: I'm done. 436 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: Go ahead. 437 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 5: He just dropped Vicky. He noticed how he just dropped. 438 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 7: Johnny interested in that? 439 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so never mind, right, you know, no one sort 440 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: of my playlist will reflect all those people, though, I mean, 441 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: we're going to make that publish. You know, that'll be 442 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: our Spotify playlist. So everybody be ready for the first 443 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: songs that influenced me. Which one was my old Billy baby, 444 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: you know all loan some Meat, Little Jimmy Dickens made 445 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: a Bird of Paradise, Fly up your nose. I mean, 446 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: these are the things I sang as a kid. I 447 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: mean I was listening to in the client all the worst, 448 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: all these songs. 449 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: You know. 450 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: Okay, But enough about me, I want to talk about you. 451 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 7: What do I think about you? Well, I think. 452 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 6: Anything on your playlist that you would build, nothing that 453 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 6: fun that I played on, although I did. 454 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: I did open for Bob Dylan as well with the 455 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: Continental Drifters in Los Angeles, but we did not record together. 456 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: I played on the very first John Doe solo album, 457 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: and I played on Matthew Sweet's first record on Columbia. 458 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: I mean sorry, sang harmonies, not played sang harmonies on 459 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: both those And that was the earliest days of being 460 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: invited in as an artist to come and sing sing backgrounds. 461 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: But probably my favorite was working with Tom Petty and 462 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 2: the Heartbreakers. So pick yeah, there you got it, right 463 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: next to Johnny Cash. 464 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 6: There you Go, which which album was that or which 465 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 6: song was that wild? 466 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: It was going to be on an album that it 467 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: didn't get put on in the end, but it was 468 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: a song called Waiting for Tonight and they were working 469 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: on it and they just, you know, Mike Campbell and 470 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: Tom were saying, there's just something missing with this and 471 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: we need something. So they invited the Bengals to come 472 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: in and sing harmonies on it. So we had a blast. 473 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 2: We went in the studio, Mike was there and kind of, 474 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: you know, just let us loose in the studio, which 475 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: is always dangerous with the Bengals because we. 476 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 7: Can over sing anything. And we did. 477 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: But we had a blast and it turned out to 478 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: be one of Tom's favorite ones. So years fast forward 479 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: years later when Music Cares went to him and said, okay, 480 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: you're a person of the Year. What do you want 481 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: to do And he said, the first song he thought 482 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: of that he wanted to perform was Waiting for Tonight. 483 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 2: And so that was a fantastic experience. 484 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 7: Getting to play. 485 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: And then they kept saying, well, sing on this one too, 486 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: sing on this one too. We ended up singing playing 487 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: half the set with them. I got to play, And 488 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: then they asked us. 489 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was. 490 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: I was almost in the Heartbreakers for a moment. The best, 491 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: just the best guys, the best band. 492 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, let me go to rehearsal. 493 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it. 494 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 6: So I watch you two kids, how you look at 495 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 6: each other chill and I love children, And I think about. 496 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 5: I think about. 497 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 6: How does the collaboration, such as the new music come together. 498 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 6: How take us inside, how you know the writing occurs, 499 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 6: how the studio work occurs. You obviously work well together 500 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 6: outside of those processes, but how do you work together 501 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 6: in such of those processes. 502 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: We had to learn to maneuver a little bit book 503 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: control freaks, admittedly, which helps really when when you admit 504 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: that you're an asshole, you can be forgiven quicker, you know, 505 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 3: So everybody takes a turn. 506 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: The writing was no problem because this entire album was 507 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: written by Barry and Bill Cassell. 508 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this one. 509 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: So this project in particular, something we've been wanting to 510 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: do for years and years, and it's taken us years 511 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: to do it. But it was important to be the 512 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: first thing because it's a celebration of Bill and Barry's 513 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: artistry as individual songwriters and performers. Passed the Cowtills, you know. 514 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: Beyond that for the most part, we have a couple 515 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 2: of Castle songs on the rest. 516 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: But I had been hearing these songs for decades because 517 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: my brother Bill would come we would sing some of them. Barry, 518 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 3: I roomed with, used to hear him write the songs. 519 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 3: And I was twenty three years in the Beach Boys, 520 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: and I kept saying to Vicky, I want to do 521 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 3: this project. 522 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 4: You know. 523 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: And I told my friend Paul Allen, who produced it, 524 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: about this was something I would like to do someday. 525 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 3: And then once we kind of started it, before I 526 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 3: was out of the Beach Boys with Paul and I 527 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: was playing in Memphis, and one of the songs, Paul says, Hey, 528 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: let's go do this at Sun Records. So we did 529 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 3: one song at Sun Records. The rest were recorded here 530 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: at our home studio. But which is our. 531 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Next single, by the way, called it is Anybody Here? 532 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 7: We recorded that in s. 533 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: Sun Studios, and you'll hear why we recorded it there. 534 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: It's very warbuson s and that was ang my brother 535 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: Bill and Jeffrey Hatcher wrote. But in the working together 536 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: we were like a couple of gun slingers. We're pretty 537 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 3: much most domesticmesticate with the domesticated family, no singing and 538 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: stuff for the first twenty years or something, because I'd 539 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: be waiting for her to go first, or I'd go 540 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: for We just like I call it a couple of 541 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: gunslingers circling each other. You go first, you go first, 542 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: you go first, and we just never went first. But 543 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: when somebody would call us, hey, can you guys do vocals, 544 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: we'd go downstairs in our studio and stand there next 545 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: to each other and arrange vocals and stuff together. So 546 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 3: that was easy for it. But and then we started 547 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: a band with Bill when we called Action Skulls. Probably 548 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: not enough time to go into that whole story, but 549 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 3: we have a few albums we did together, and we 550 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: have written together collaboratively between Bill, Vicki and myself, and 551 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: it just goes so smoothly and naturally. Okay, Yeah, that 552 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 3: answers that question. 553 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 5: Is it true? 554 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 6: A thousand Times was the first song? 555 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: Yes, been together my brother Bill, who couldn't pay the 556 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: bills up in Canada even though it's socialized medicine, but 557 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: you know, he needed a little bit more help. And 558 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: we called ourselves the Newlyweds. 559 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 7: Because it was the year after we got married. 560 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 3: This happened and we sang that song a thousand times, 561 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: the very first thing we ever sang together, really, and 562 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 3: so it's fitting that that was our first single and 563 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 3: we did it again. Perfect, right, it is perfect. It's perfect. 564 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 5: And tell me about long after the fire. 565 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: This is. This is an album, like we said, of 566 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: songs written by two of my brothers, Bill and Barry, separately, 567 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: not together, and we've recorded six of Bill's songs and 568 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: six of Barry's songs, and it's a love letter basically, 569 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: a tribute to two the greatest writers. We missed them. Yeah, 570 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: it's just really personal. 571 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just to get those songs back out into 572 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: the world another listener, you know, and in a different 573 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: in a different way, a different sound. 574 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 7: Of different versions obviously. 575 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: Will never sound like them. You can find their own versions. 576 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 3: Whist some of them, you can, and you'll see they're 577 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: just perfect songs. They sound like you've heard them before, 578 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: and we enjoy singing them and we'll come sing them 579 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: in a town near you. Get it. It comes out 580 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: on Record Store Day April twelfth, and then the special 581 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 3: version then April eighteen. It'll be out completely. 582 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 7: On CD and streaming. 583 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, dropping a couple more singles. Come out to mccabs 584 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: on April eighteenth for our first record release party, and 585 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 3: then we're having one May Night at the cutting room 586 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: for you East Coasters, for you East Coasters and all 587 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: things in between. Vicky's doing other things with her Bangles. 588 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: They had just had a book come out and are 589 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: in the midst of putting a documentary together. Can I 590 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: speak on your via. 591 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 7: My best person. 592 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 5: Anyway, any timeline on that? 593 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 2: Vicki said, the book is out and available. You can 594 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: get it on Amazon or right now, both in audio 595 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: and physical words on paper. Actually with the documentary, you know, 596 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: and the documentary is in development, we will say we're 597 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: hoping for We're hoping for twenty six, so we'll see. 598 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm sure people will rediscover from the album 599 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 6: you know, these songs and go back as you sort 600 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 6: of said, that will definitely happen because it will inspire 601 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 6: people to you know, respect that work and rediscover it 602 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 6: or discover it for the first time. I do want 603 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 6: to ask you in closing, if someone who is listening 604 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 6: to this is a musician and trying to you know, 605 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 6: crack through the haze of the business. Any advice you would, 606 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 6: you would give them how to how to break out 607 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 6: and break through and survive this tough business. 608 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 2: It's very hard to break through right now because the uh, 609 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: the accessibility of music is both a curse and a blessing. Obviously, 610 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: anyone can be anywhere. You can create in your bedroom 611 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 2: and post it that day. And the trick really is. 612 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 7: To find find your audience in some way, like if 613 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 7: you can figure out who to. 614 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: To point your music towards. And this is of course, 615 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: you know we're talking about being online for the most part. 616 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 3: Heck ya, you know, it's. 617 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: Very important to get your who you are and what 618 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: you want to say out to the right people. 619 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 3: Get on Instagram, get on face fart, get on all 620 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: those things and get your stuff up there, post post, 621 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: sing live, do present yourself. I mean, that's all I'm 622 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: seeing out there. I'm trying to do the same thing. 623 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: I'm catching up. I think I have five thousand to 624 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: three thousand followers, where some of these kids have ten thousand. 625 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: Mark and Poe one of my favorite bands, incredible and 626 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: they did this, you know. 627 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 7: Right, But also you know they also toured, and that's 628 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 7: what I know. 629 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: That's touring too. You got to hit the road. Go 630 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 3: please just little play all open for freeze whatever, if 631 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 3: you want to get out there. But you've got to 632 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: love it because if you don't love it, it won't 633 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: be fun. It won't be any fun. It's got to 634 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: be fair, is that too? 635 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: You have to you have to actually make sure that 636 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: this is what you want to be devoting your time 637 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: and energy. 638 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: Towards, because the administration part is very detailed as well, 639 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 3: and that's not fun. And we found that we used 640 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: to have people do this stuff for us, but now 641 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: we're do it yourself group and it's like, ouch, it's 642 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 3: almost seventy years old. 643 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: But anyway, I would say go online and learn as 644 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: much as you can about the business as it is 645 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: right now, because there are so many aspects to it 646 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 2: that involve just being on your computer and making sure 647 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: you are signed up for all the various organizations that 648 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: will compile your likes, plays, whatever, and make sure that 649 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: you are getting credit and paid for your work. 650 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 3: Books out there on this right now you can just 651 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 3: dive into them. The internet is filled with the information 652 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: of how to do it. I mean, you don't want 653 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 3: to listen to a couple of elders, elders who did 654 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 3: it the old way because it's hard for us to 655 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: change our ways. But that information is out there and 656 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 3: there's a templates all over the place how to do it, 657 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 3: and if you are diligent and forward and devoted to that, 658 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 3: you can you can get out there. 659 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: What we used to do in the way of promotion. 660 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: Promotion meant going to Kinko's and making a flyer at 661 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: two in the morning, driving around and post and. 662 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 3: Safe playing and telebumbo, putting my flyers on the fronts 663 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: of cars under the windshield, wife herds, very echoes. 664 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: Well. 665 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 6: I had Larkin Polo on the podcast and they essentially said, 666 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 6: it's a one win your audience, you know, one by 667 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 6: one and think in those terms, and obviously that that 668 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 6: has worked for them. So there is, you know, like 669 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 6: you said, the grassroots aspect of things. I can't thank 670 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 6: you enough for being on uh. John Cowsel, congratulations on everything. 671 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 6: I love you guys, and thanks for sharing your story 672 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 6: and continuing to make us happy with your music. 673 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. 674 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: Go to Vicki Peterson and John Cowshill Music and you'll 675 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 3: see our dates for where we're playing in all streaming platforms. 676 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 3: We love you think Commercial. 677 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 7: And thank you for having us so much. 678 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 3: Thank you, guys really appreciate it. 679 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. 680 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 3: You're the people who help us get out there. Thank you, 681 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 3: so we appreciate that as well. 682 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 683 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 4: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 684 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 4: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 685 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 4: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 686 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 4: and wherever you get your podcasts.