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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Why don't they need the car docter eight five five

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Speaker 2: five six nine nine zero zero. Let's get back to

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Speaker 2: Jason and Wisconsin. Jason, you're there, sir. Yeah, So let

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Speaker 2: me let me, let me be blunt. This particular vehicle

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Speaker 2: has an ignition coil sitting on the back valve cover.

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Speaker 2: This engine also came the other way where it has

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Speaker 2: coil unplug going an individual cylinder. So let me switch

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Speaker 2: the conversation a little bit. The e gr comments are

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Speaker 2: still valid and hold true. This has one coil with

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Speaker 2: six spark plug wires on it. Correct, Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: the coil you purchased. Does it plug in the same way? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: exact same thing. Okay, it's it's it's a vertical plug

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Speaker 2: to a vertical plug in other words, right, okay, because

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Speaker 2: believe it or not, they do make a horizontal plug

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Speaker 2: coil and it will actually plug in, but the firing

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Speaker 2: order is different. And I've seen people have this exact

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Speaker 2: same problem with a misfire and cylinder one. I just

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Speaker 2: got to cover that question. So that's number one, number two.

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Speaker 2: So you put a coil on it and you have

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Speaker 2: a spark plug wire. Did you happen to put a

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Speaker 2: spark tester on that wire to see if you have spark. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so that's step two. All right. Now, I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: test it with a spark plug laying against the cylinder head.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean when I say a

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Speaker 2: spark tester?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: All right. If you google spark tester, you'll see pictures

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Speaker 2: of a spark plug. It looks like a spark plug

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Speaker 2: with an alligator clip soldered to the side, but it's

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Speaker 2: not really a spark plug. It has no electrode. It

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Speaker 2: has a very large gap. What it does is it

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Speaker 2: places the same amount of stress on an ignition coil

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Speaker 2: firing in the cylinder, but it's out of the cylinder,

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Speaker 2: all right. When a spark plug's in the cylinder, it's

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Speaker 2: got a little tiny gap on it, thirty five to

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Speaker 2: sixty thousands, depending upon the manufacturer. When you take that

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Speaker 2: in an atmosphere where it's only fifteen pounds of atmospheric pressure,

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Speaker 2: trying to fire a plug with a small gap across

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Speaker 2: fifteen pounds of pressure versus one on the cylinder of

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five A whole different word. So

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Speaker 2: you've got to stress that coil out just as hard.

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Speaker 2: Get a spark tester. Do you have spark on that cylinder?

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Speaker 2: If you have spark on that cylinder and it's still

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Speaker 2: not running on one, then we've got to talk about

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Speaker 2: a possible bad injector or an intake leak, a vacuum leak.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ok, the injector. Before we get in and

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Speaker 2: have a conversation and I get you in over your

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Speaker 2: head and we start talking about injector firing, just take

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Speaker 2: a mechanic stethoscope or a screwdriver turned backwards, use the

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Speaker 2: handle end, Listen to it. Does it click if the

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Speaker 2: injector clicks, does it click the same? Does it sound

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Speaker 2: the same as the injector next to it? Click? Click, click,

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Speaker 2: click click click. If that injector is not firing, then

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Speaker 2: maybe we've got a dead injector. Maybe we've got a

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Speaker 2: problem with the PCM. And that's a conversation we'd have

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Speaker 2: to continue next week. All right, So go do those things,

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Speaker 2: check the gr Remember what I said about the coil,

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Speaker 2: and we'll go from there. If you have no spark,

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Speaker 2: it could be that you have a bad spark, plug

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Speaker 2: wire try switching the wire with another cylinder, or get

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Speaker 2: a test wire in there and see if that helps you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, sir, all right, sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, You're very welcome. Give us a call back. Let

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Speaker 2: us know. Hey, make out, Norman, Queens, New York, Good

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Speaker 2: old New York. I remember New York, New York, a

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Speaker 2: land far far away. How are you, Norman? How can

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Speaker 2: I help you today?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Run good afternoon. I have a two thousand and five

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Speaker 3: Honda Civic. Okay, And on the passenger side, around where

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Speaker 3: the floor is the ratily sound? What have you hit

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Speaker 3: a bump? But I want to a dealer indicating that

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Speaker 3: it's a loose strutch. Okay, But I went back to

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Speaker 3: the the It's a major chain, pep boys.

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Speaker 2: I'm an equal opportunity offender, Norman. If somebody makes a mistake,

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Speaker 2: I just call him on the car. But I don't care.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a non denomination church. You better watch it

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Speaker 2: if I get if you get my number. So but yeah,

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Speaker 2: what pep boys say? Not their not their fault, right.

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Speaker 3: No, they they they insist that it's not the structs.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I go back to Honda and they say, listen a

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Speaker 3: mass technicians said it's the struts. So, first of all,

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Speaker 3: based on the sound, do you think it's the structs?

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Speaker 2: Till I hear it, it's hard to say it could be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my question would be if Pep Boys doesn't

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Speaker 2: think it's the strut, what do they think it is?

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Speaker 3: Oh, they have no idea, but they know I had

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Speaker 3: a technician in the car. They're like, oh, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: sound good. But you know it's not the structs.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's not it's not their part. But they

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Speaker 2: know it's not the strut.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it is the part that they installed is apt

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Speaker 3: to market structs that they installed right back in a

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Speaker 3: few months ago that I went back to them because

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Speaker 2: But but but they're saying that their part's okay, but

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Speaker 2: they don't know what the real problem is with the

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Speaker 2: vehicle correct, all right, So that means that they're out

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Speaker 2: of the picture now because they don't want to get

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Speaker 2: involved any further. Hopefully you paid with a credit card

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Speaker 2: because then you can just stop payment on it after

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Speaker 2: you find out it is the struts. And then the

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Speaker 2: second part of the comment I have is when you

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Speaker 2: go to the Honda dealer and they say it's the struts.

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Speaker 2: Does the handed dealer can they guarantee.

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Speaker 3: That that's That's a question I asked them. I said,

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Speaker 3: if you fix it, if you replace back to the

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Speaker 3: original struts and this still makes the sound, what can

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Speaker 3: you I mean, where do we go from there? And

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Speaker 3: the technician there said, well, we'll cross that bridge once

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Speaker 3: we're there. Well, let's get this strut fit's first, before.

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Speaker 2: We just blindly replace the struts. My commentary would be

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Speaker 2: if I was looking at it and I heard it

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Speaker 2: and I felt it was strut related, then I would say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's take the struts apart to see

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Speaker 2: what we see and maybe we'll find it that way.

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Speaker 2: You know. The other way to think about this is

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Speaker 2: how are they testing for this noise up in the

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Speaker 2: air is tough? They need to drive on lift or

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Speaker 2: they need to support. They need to support the suspension

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Speaker 2: so they catch the vehicle in a loaded state. Because

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Speaker 2: you could be describing to me a strut, a sway

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Speaker 2: bar link, a cradle bushing, a ball joint issue, a

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Speaker 2: body rattle, a fender problem, a hood issue. There's a

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Speaker 2: half a dozen things that could be So I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: just blindly say it's a strup. But there is a

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Speaker 2: process by which you can diagnose this and start to

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Speaker 2: eliminate things naturally. You know, as I said the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the last hour, the hardest vehicle to work on

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Speaker 2: is the one that somebody already else tried to and

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Speaker 2: you know it's now you've got to go back and

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Speaker 2: look over and solve their work and solve the original problem.

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Speaker 2: So it's a little bit of double duty. It's either

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Speaker 2: back to the dealer. You've got to get an independent

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Speaker 2: opinion and work your way outwards from there. Sorry, yeah, sorry, listen,

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Speaker 2: I understand there's an interesting story, Harry explained to me.

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Speaker 2: I have to ask you how you happen to buy

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Speaker 2: this Honda real quick?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm ashamed to say, I'm ashamed to admit it.

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Speaker 3: I initially purchased a Toy Corolla back in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: and then by the fifth year of having problems with

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Speaker 3: you know, like suspensions breaking, and every time I went

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Speaker 3: to the shop it was like another thousand dollars, now

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Speaker 3: a couple hundred dollars, and I was so frustrated and

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Speaker 3: out of the knee jerk reaction, I went to buy

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Speaker 3: a new car. I traded in the Corolla for the

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Speaker 3: for the UH, the TN, the Civic, and looking back,

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a very stupid idea. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, the other build up, adding up,

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Speaker 3: adding up, adding, I'm thinking, I'm painful of this and

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Speaker 3: I just just getting another cars. How to bypass these problems?

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Speaker 2: You know what, Norman? Part of it is too that,

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Speaker 2: And I said this just I think this hour or

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Speaker 2: the last hour of this weekend show that Toyota Honda,

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Speaker 2: they're not the supercars everybody thinks they are. They once were.

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Speaker 2: They once were a better car company, I think than

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Speaker 2: they are today. But right now, when people ask me

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Speaker 2: what kind of car to buy, the five major food

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Speaker 2: groups is Toyota, Honda, four GM, Chrysler in no particular order.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's there's got to be something there,

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of reasons why. Some of it

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Speaker 2: has to do with tooling and service information, some of

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Speaker 2: it has to do with parts availability. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think Honda is really that impervious to problems. So listen,

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Speaker 2: I'll leave you. I'll leave you with this. You know

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Speaker 2: what Honda stands for, right No, had one never did again.

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Speaker 2: So you go get that car fixed and call us back.

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Speaker 2: Let us know how you make out. We'll go from there.

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Speaker 3: All right, sir, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Norman, good luck to you, and say

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Speaker 2: he loo everybody in New York for us eight five

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Speaker 2: five five six nine nine zero zero. I'm running any

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Speaker 2: of the car, doctor, I'm cruising back right after this.

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Speaker 2: Why this car is automatic, it's systematic, it's a dramatic.

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Speaker 2: What's greased lightning? Hey, welcome back. Why aren't they needing

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Speaker 2: the car? Doctor? And I don't know what that car is,

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Speaker 2: but it may be hydramatic, grease lightning and all that.

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Speaker 2: But if it doesn't start, it ends up on my

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Speaker 2: doorstep or it's junk. Let's get out and talk to

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Speaker 2: Rick and Lansing, Michigan. Rick, Hello to you and everybody

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Speaker 2: out there in good old Michigan. How can I help

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Speaker 2: you today?

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Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Aron, my name is actually Tim.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry, Oh sorry, Tim, So look at it.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know what? We had two guys in Lansing, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll start with Tim and Lansing, Michigan.

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Speaker 4: There we go, Okay, I'm the one with the lexasy

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Speaker 4: F three hundred.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and what kind of problem you have, Tim, Well.

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Speaker 4: I've got a funny noise when the when the car

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Speaker 4: is cold. It sounds like kind of a v sound

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Speaker 4: like like that when you drive down the road at

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Speaker 4: low speed. Okay, it's not it. It's not an engine.

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Speaker 4: If I take my foot off the gas, that goes away.

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Speaker 4: I put it in neutral or park, it goes away.

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Speaker 2: I bet if you something, I bet if I bet

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Speaker 2: if you sit there with your foot on the brake

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Speaker 2: and gently apply power to the engine, just bring it

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Speaker 2: up a little bit, I bet you you can make

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Speaker 2: it happen. It's like a buzz right, uh huh yeah.

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Speaker 4: Put your top teeth over your bottom lip.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Have you tried have you? Have you tried that

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Speaker 2: to power break it, to see if you can duplicate

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Speaker 2: the noise.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the mechanics that looked at it

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Speaker 4: did that. And to be honest with you, I can't

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Speaker 4: remember what he said whether he did or did not

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Speaker 4: make the noise.

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Speaker 2: It might be it might be trying it a couple

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Speaker 2: of times. Because my suspicion is this car has a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, because things expand. So ideally, what I would

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Speaker 2: noise happens at thirteen hundred do pm. Now it gets

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Speaker 2: it power breaks at thirteen hundred rpm, which which shield

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Speaker 2: This is a very low level harmonic distortion. All right,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you this, tim Did you go to

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Speaker 1: Yes? I did?

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you sit there when you got bored with

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Speaker 4: Well, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I actually

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Speaker 4: But no I didn't. But I know what you're saying, right,

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: The guy at the PROMP. I was the guy at

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Speaker 2: was doonding quantum mechanics and physics. So you know that's

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Speaker 4: All right, You've got all mechanic do try to run

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Speaker 2: Well, once we know which one it is, then we

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let us not tim.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. You're very welcome, sir. I'm running any in

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Speaker 2: the card doctor eight five five five six nine nine

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Speaker 3: You might not ever get.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Run any in the card rock and roll,

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Speaker 2: and here's our last call of the hour. Rick from Lansing, Michigan. Rick,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the confusion. It was a way fast

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Speaker 2: Harry stacked them up. What can I do to help you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and six GMC Sierra four point three automatic

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Speaker 1: two wheel drive only on high humidity mornings. It won't start.

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Speaker 1: Crank's over after your crank for a while. You can

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Speaker 1: everything clean and dry, checked everything over visually, had it

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let me let me, let me, let me

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Speaker 2: A couple of bulletins, all right, and i'd like you

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Speaker 2: This is a tough card. Effects I'll tell you that

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Speaker 2: or talk about problems just like you're describing with no starts.

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Speaker 2: RPM when the car doesn't start? All right? You know?

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Speaker 2: I get it that you go in with a hair

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Speaker 2: you think it's this. Listen, I understand Sea to the

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Speaker 2: physically have spark at the plug? The twenty dollars spark

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Speaker 2: crank it over? Do we have spark? I know you

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Speaker 2: think you don't, but have you physically checked for spark

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Speaker 2: know do we have spark? That's number one, Number two,

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Speaker 2: number three if you don't have spark, and you want

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Speaker 2: to make the assumption that all your components are good

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Speaker 2: and new means good, and we know what new really means.

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Speaker 2: CRC CRC Chemicals, you know, out on the web, if

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Speaker 2: you get out the CRC Industries dot com, they make

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Speaker 2: a product called CRC wire dryer. All right, it's it's

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Speaker 2: sort of like a seiler for ignition systems when they

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Speaker 2: get moisture issues. You can try that and then give

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Speaker 2: me a call back next week. Let me know what happens.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Rick, the clock's gonna grab me. I'm run

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Speaker 2: any in the car. Doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, they're

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Speaker 2: placelessen see you