1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: interesting poll numbers have come out this week with regard 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: to President Biden and the fact that a majority of 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Americans do not think that he is doing a good job. 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: That comes on the heels of many Democratic governors deciding 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: that guess what, COVID's over and so much in the 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: same way that news broke about Coachella and stagecoach not 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: using any COVID nineteen precautions, basically saying that you're going 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: to come and party with us at Coachella at your 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: own risk. Democratic governors are now doing the very same 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: thing where they are getting rid of their mask mandates 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: because people are quote unquote tired. I don't know how 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: many times that we have to go through and repeat 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: the same behaviors over and over again expecting a different result. 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: That is, in fact the definition of insanity. And that's 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: the way that our politicians, whether they be Republican or Democrat, 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: have been operating over the last couple of months. You 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: had the omicron variant that yes, was it less deadly 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: for those that were vaccinated and boosted, of course, but 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: did it give us some insight into how this virus 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: has been mutating, which is that each iteration becomes more 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: and more contagious, and that the thing that protects us 24 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: all is wearing masks. Right, Social distancing for a while 25 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: now has not been a thing, but masks and particularly 26 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: those that are not cloth, but our K ninety five 27 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: or ninety five masks, have been keeping people safe. So 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: why is it that now once people again have adapted 29 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: to these rules, have adapted to this reality, have become 30 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: accustomed to it, whether it be on public transportation federally 31 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: regulated public transportation like airlines, why we would decide now, 32 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: at a time when the omicron surge in many parts 33 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: of the country is now on the decline, that we 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: would turn around and start the same behavior that we 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: had before, let our guards down, and then in a 36 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: couple of months when news breaks that there is some 37 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: other new variant that is incredibly deadly, that is all 38 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: of the things, then trying to get those same people 39 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: to go back to doing what it was that they've 40 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: been doing for the past two years is going to 41 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: be damn near impossible. But you know who cares because 42 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: midterms are in a couple of months, and that's apparently 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: the only thing that politicians care about. I am so 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: aggravated with this entire situation and scenario, just people believing 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: that they can have what mind over matter like the 46 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: virus gives a fuck. But you know what I think 47 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: at this stage in the pandemic two years in that 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: what we have learned is that no one is going 49 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: to protect you. No one other than yourself is going 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: to have your best interests and your public health and 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: safety in mind. Everyone else is out to make a 52 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: dollar or get a vote, right, And so basically, politicians, businesses, 53 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: all of them are just gambling right on your well being. 54 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: So if at this point you are still looking for 55 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: guidance right, whether it be from the president, your governor, 56 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: your school board, or what have you, then you are 57 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: looking in the wrong place. You're looking outward when you 58 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: need to be looking inward. I no longer trust any 59 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: of these outlets. I'm going to be honest with you. 60 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to spread misinformation, but I'm going to 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: be real. I don't know what is provoking the decisions 62 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: that are being made, because I don't think that it's 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: public health. I don't think that people are following the science. 64 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Do I think that, yeah, there are ways that we 65 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: can adapt to this new normal, Yes, absolutely, But to 66 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: pretend that COVID no longer exists, to just throw up 67 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: your hands, you know, democratic governors and fucking concert venues 68 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: and just be like, oh, we're just over it. Watch 69 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: and wait, is all I will say on that Watch 70 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: and wait. You know, I was reading Political Playbook like 71 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: I do most mornings, and you know, another alarming piece 72 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: of news has come to my attention. But you know, 73 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: it's a same old, same old story of how terrible 74 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Democrats are at messaging. And the question that Political was 75 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: posing was whether or not Democrats were going to come 76 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: up with a response to the culture wars that Republicans 77 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: are waging. That's number one, and number two, whether or 78 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: not Republicans we're going to give up the ghost, give 79 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: up Donald Trump, and figure out who else is going 80 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: to be the leader of this party. I think that 81 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: those are the wrong questions to be asking. One. I 82 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: think that if anybody with eyes ears riot have been 83 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: paying attention to what Republicans have been up to over 84 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the past five plus years, and if you want to 85 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: include the Obama years, which is when we got our 86 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: first inkling into the direction that this party was headed. 87 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: The fact that Politico is still flinked framing the Republican 88 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: Party as an actual party and not a cult that 89 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: is hell bent not on culture wars, but on creating 90 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: a civil war two point zero, on using their misinformation, 91 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: using their racism, using their misogyny, and weaponizing the pandemic. 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: The fact that still in fucking twenty two, now that 93 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: years after living through the Trump administration, after living through 94 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: the insurrection, that we're still not calling out what Republicans 95 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: are doing as dangerous to our democracy and still framing 96 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: a narrative that makes it seem as if there are 97 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: two equal sides to the preservation of our republic is 98 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: bullshit and it is just bad journalism. How about that? 99 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: How about it just as bad journalism to continue to 100 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: frame it as if we have two cohesive, normal political 101 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: parties where one isn't about the entirety of our democracy 102 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: just being destroyed, blown up with your voter suppression, your racism, 103 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: your celebration of anti semitism, islamophobia, all of these things. 104 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: The fact that you have outlets that are now by 105 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: the way Politico has been bought right by the Murdochs. 106 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: The fact that you are having these outlets, still have 107 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: casual conversation like this is a normal midterm season that 108 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: we're in is so frustrating and it's just fucking false. Right, 109 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: And then Democrats still twirling their thumbs, right, twiddling their 110 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: thumbs as if we don't have a sense of urgency, 111 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: as if you haven't recognized that Republicans are using the 112 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: same playbook they've been using for the last four fucking decades, right, 113 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: except now they've utilized technology so that their misinformation and 114 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: their hate can spread faster. Why is it right that 115 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: following the very eye opening campaign of Glenn Yuncan in 116 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Virginia and his win after the Obama coalition successfully had 117 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: courted the state of Virginia into the blue column, how 118 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: you don't pay attention to the misgivings there and think 119 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: that running old candidates is not a fucking thing, It 120 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: doesn't excite the base. How about paying attention to your 121 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: base in the same way that Republicans pay attention to 122 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: and are scared shitless of their base. How about doing that? 123 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: How about not just pretending right that you can shrug 124 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: off their attempts at quote unquote parental control and not 125 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: likening that to the way that white parents were riled 126 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: up in the nineteen fifties about school integration. How is 127 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: it that Democrats are still sitting around wondering what to 128 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: do or thinking that ignoring the claims and the lies 129 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: that Republicans are throwing out is somehow a winning strategy. 130 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: It isn't. And you know what I saw this week 131 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: as well. I follow Congresswoman Corey Bush, who has been 132 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: a guest on the show, follow her on Instagram, and 133 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: she posted a tweet that she had tweeted earlier in 134 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: the week, which that saying basically that Democrats who are 135 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: trying to out republic look in Republicans is not a 136 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: strategy that is going to win, right, And I'm just like, no, 137 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: it's not. And how is it that everyone else sees that? 138 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: And yet there's no pivot, there's no stop pivot and 139 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: reflect right on how we need to utilize our heavy 140 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: hitters like Corey Bush, like aoc to teleb, like all 141 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: of these people like il Han, right, these people who 142 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: are savvy, who are smart, who know how to communicate, 143 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: who have large followings How is it that they are 144 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: not in charge of democratic messaging right so that everyone 145 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: else can then follow suit. I don't get it. I 146 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: don't get it, but you know I do because it 147 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: is the old guard, right, the Octanagarians who are still 148 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: in charge of the gavel and who are still have 149 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: the bully pulpit, but they're not using it in the 150 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: right way to compete with the tactics of the twenty 151 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: first century. They just are not. And it is evident 152 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: that Schumer doesn't do it, Pelosi doesn't do it, Biden 153 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: isn't doing it. No one is painting the Republicans as 154 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: who they are, a threat to our democracy, a racist 155 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: right reimagining of America that is going to be worse 156 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: than the first round of Jim Crowe. How is it 157 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: that the same administration, the same candidate that said I'm 158 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: in it for the battle of the soul of this 159 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: nation does not get what it is that Republicans are doing, 160 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: Which brings me to my guest coming up today, Really 161 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: excited for you all to hear this conversation with a podcaster, 162 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: Julie Koehler, who is the co host of the podcast 163 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: White Picket Fence and White picket Fence Right seeks to 164 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: really uncover right the lies that white people have been told, 165 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: to really unpack it. In their first season, it was 166 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: busting the myth around white women being progressive and voting Democrat, 167 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: where Julie will tell us that hasn't happened in forty 168 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: years now. Anybody paying attention to politics inside the Beltway 169 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: understands that fact. So then the question is, if those 170 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: are the data points, then why does the Democratic Party 171 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: still try and court Karen as if Karen is trying 172 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: to go to the dance with you, she ain't and 173 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: she hasn't in forty years. Right. The second season of 174 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: White picket Fence was an examination into how families right 175 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: have shifted during the time of the global health pandemic, 176 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: Schooling kids at home, the realization that we don't really 177 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: care about kids in this country outside of the womb, 178 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: because if we did, right, if we actually believed the 179 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: mantra that children are our future, then maybe we wouldn't 180 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: have had fights over the child tax credit or you know, 181 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,479 Speaker 1: having parent to leave. As one of the only industrial 182 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: nations that does not have that guaranteed right, there are 183 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: countries that offer a year six months in America six 184 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: weeks and we're telling you to stuff your baby in 185 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: somebody else's care, right, and for you to make just 186 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: enough money to be able to cover that, but nothing else. 187 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: And we've accepted that, we've accepted that reality as the norm, 188 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be. And so that is the second 189 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: season of White Picket Fence, And Julie and I on 190 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: today's show, we'll get into a conversation about white privilege, 191 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: about white guilt, about how we hold up a mirror 192 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: to white America and say, look at yourself. You are 193 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: both responsible for some good and some devastating violence. How 194 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: is it that white people cannot see themselves as fully 195 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: dimensional humans? Right? Earlier this week, you know, I was 196 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: sent a bunch of clips of the young black boy, 197 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: and I believe it was in New Jersey at a 198 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: mall who got into an altercation with a white boy. 199 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: Cops were called and guests who ended up in handcuffs 200 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes. Right, guess who was ushered and spoken 201 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: to and probably a very respectful manner. What did that 202 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: black boy do to you? And I'm sure that that 203 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: wasn't the language that was used. Right. Why is it 204 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: that in policing. It is so common for you to 205 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: have white police officers refer to white boys as son right, 206 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: to look at them as a reflection of themselves, and 207 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: to see black people, regardless of the situation that they 208 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: walk up into, as the aggressor the one that needs 209 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: to be put down. And you want to tell me 210 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: that policing doesn't need reform in this country. How many 211 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: fucking times do we need to see these videos? How 212 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: many fucking black people need to lose their lives? Right? 213 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: And I'm just you know, I'm just tired, right, Like 214 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: I'm literally exhausted, as I know so many black people 215 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: are by the bullshit, Like we can't get anywhere because 216 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: we have to still convince white people of their own 217 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: moral monster behavior, right, as James Baldwin said, moral monsters, 218 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: fucking gaslighting the people that you are abusing, as to 219 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: tell us that we're just too sensitive and there's no 220 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: abuse happening. But we run video after video after video, 221 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: victim after victim after victim of white supremacy, only to 222 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: tell only to have them tell us, oh, we're kind 223 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: of interested, and we'll march with you for a good too, 224 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: and then we're going to go back to our lives 225 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: because it's too inconvenient for us to really unpack the 226 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: hard truths of this nation. I'm just tired of it. 227 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: And I said yesterday, you know, I can't imagine the 228 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: trauma that that young boy felt. I have no idea 229 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: what the cause of the fight was. I don't really 230 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: fucking care. All I know is that if cops roll 231 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: up to a fucking situation and there are a black 232 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: kid and a white kid, right that are that are 233 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: interlocked in violence, then both of them should be sat down, 234 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: both of them, right, should be handled in the same way. 235 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: Why is that so fucking difficult? Why racism? Right? But 236 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: white people will look for every other excuse right as 237 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: to tell you why black people should continue to be brutalized. Right, 238 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: they will look for every other reason. Oh he was big, 239 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: Oh we thought he was older. Oh this it's bullshit, 240 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: it's racism. Just look in the mirror, you know it. 241 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: I got to tell you that with each advance that 242 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: is made, with each you know, a couple of steps 243 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: forward that we make in this country, it just seems 244 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: that we just boomerang right back to the beginning. And look, 245 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: I know, and I talk to people who have been 246 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: active in the civil rights movement, you know, for their 247 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: entire lives for the last sixty plus years, right, because 248 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: we in America love to believe that Jim Prow was 249 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: so long ago. Meanwhile, most of us have you know, parents, 250 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: grandparents who all grew up in that that are still 251 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: fucking alive. Right. So America's racist history wasn't a hundreds 252 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: of years ago. It was just the other day, and 253 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: we need to wake up to that reality, folks. I'm 254 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: very excited to welcome to Okay f Daily for the 255 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: first time, Julie Kohler, who is the host of the 256 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: podcast White Picket Fence with Wonder Media, a podcast that 257 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: really does an interesting job of looking into the issues 258 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: that are affecting women, that are affecting our society, UM. 259 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: Talking about difficult conversations about race, white privilege, UM, and 260 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, and family, right and how our family in 261 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: the latest season, how families were impacted during the last 262 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: two plus years of living in a pandemic. Julie, welcome, 263 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's great to be with you. 264 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: It is great to have you so talk to me 265 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: about White Picket Fence. First of all, like I just said, 266 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: before the name Stellar. I can't I can't believe that 267 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: that name was not taken UM like one hundred is 268 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: it is so fantastic talk to us about um the 269 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: ideas and the themes behind white picket Fence. Yeah, thank 270 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: you so much. So, you know, I think the name 271 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: sort of gives a hint at some of the ideologies 272 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: that we really work to unpack in the podcast while 273 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: examining a few different topics. So the first season of 274 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: our podcast really was a deep dive into the politics 275 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: of white women and what we call the fractured and 276 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: often frustrating politics in the way that those politics are 277 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: manifest in our society. I think there is kind of 278 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: a myth that white women are more progressive often than 279 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: white men. And while we do see some gender differences 280 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: in how white women and white men vote, you know, 281 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: the majority of white women for the last forty years 282 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: have voted Republican, and we tend to kind of be 283 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: a little bit surprised by that. And so we really 284 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: did a deep dive into, you know, the ideologies that 285 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: shape white women's politics and you know, kind of how 286 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: that continues in today's society. And in the second season 287 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: of the podcast, which just aired this past winter. We 288 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: take we take a look at a lot of the 289 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: same ideologies that we examined in the first season about race, 290 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: about gender, about families, about our economy, and white women, 291 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: white womanhood, and we really look at how that has 292 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: prevented public investment in the kind of family supports, the 293 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: kind of what we now call care infrastructure, childcare, family leave, 294 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: the child tax credit benefits that would make family life 295 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: so much easier for the vast majority of us. Why 296 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: has that been so challenging? And obviously the pandemic brought 297 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: this to a head. So many of us have been 298 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: suffering so deeply during the pandemic, And we really take 299 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: a critical lens at you know, why here we are, 300 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: fifty years later after the national childcare was first proposed 301 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: and passed by bipartisan majorities in Congress. Why we're still 302 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: coming up short, and why this is still a fight 303 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: fifty years later. You know, Julia want to I want 304 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: to dig into your first season. And I say that because, um, 305 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, I am no and anybody that has listened 306 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: to woke f or democracy ish I go after white 307 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: women a lot um and I think for the for 308 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: the main reason that you stated at the at the 309 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: opening that there is this belief, um, and I don't 310 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: know where it came from, So hopefully you can provide 311 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: some insight, um, this belief that white women are more 312 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: progressive than they are right when we have said for decades, 313 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: those people that are embedded in politics have known that, 314 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: particularly married, straight white women vote alongside their husbands. Right. 315 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: I wrote a piece following the twenty sixteen election, which 316 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: I think again was this startling, eye opening, you know moment, 317 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: not just for you know, for for our country obviously, 318 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: but for the world, for our country and the fact 319 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: that oh my god, we had a white woman on 320 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: the ballot. You could see a reflection of yourself, right, yeah, 321 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: finally to become madam president. And over fifty percent of 322 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: white women voted for Donald Trump, an outward celebrated misogynist. 323 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: So you know, Julie, what what came up for you 324 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: in your first season kind of research and investigation about 325 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: the why here? And is it is? And do you 326 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: feel like we need to unpack the why to kind 327 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: of let go of the myth so that we can 328 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: so that we can move on. That's absolutely right. I 329 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: think we have to first have a very cleared eyed 330 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: analysis of what is happening if we want to effect change. 331 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: And so I wanted to put the twenty sixteen election, 332 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: which was I think, you know, once again sort of 333 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: a surprise to many of the kind of you know, 334 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: political chattering class, although not too many, sort of deeply 335 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: entrenched in in movement politics, that yes, a majority of 336 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: white women voted for Donald Trump, despite or perhaps because of, 337 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: his positions that white women, and I wanted to put 338 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: it in a context of of, you know, white women 339 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: have long been complicit and not only just complicit with 340 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: structural racism and white supremacy in this country, but active 341 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: perpetrators of And I also thought it was important to 342 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: sort of take this out of the context of we're 343 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: just having a conversation about those conservative white women and 344 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: actually look at how this is a story about all 345 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: of us, about all of the ways that you know, 346 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: white womanhood is structured in such a way that allows us, 347 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: even those of us who may identify as progressive, to 348 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: sort of selectively engage on issues of race, and you know, 349 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: the issue of kind of who has the privilege of 350 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: being awakened because we did see the twenty sixteen election 351 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: as kind of this galvanizing moment right with the Women's 352 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: March and all of these kind of previously a political 353 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: or not terribly politically active white women suddenly got very 354 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: engaged and said, oh my gosh, this is a crisis. 355 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: I need to fight for my country. But why were 356 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: you asleep? Why were we asleep? Why have we not 357 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: been awakened at every point in our history? And what 358 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: is it going to take to continue that engagement and 359 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: to really build what the writer Heather McGee talks about 360 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: in her brilliant book to some of us as the 361 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: solidarity dividend, Like, what is it going to take in 362 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: this country for us to all be invested in the 363 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: idea that if we work across racial lines to build something, 364 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: to build a public good, that we will all do better. 365 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: And So that is what I really wanted to example 366 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: and kind of the historical underpinions of the ways that 367 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: even in progressive movements, so we take a critical look 368 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: at suffrage and the second way of feminism and the 369 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: way that our you know, white feminist ancestors often turned 370 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: their back on our black feminist sisters once they secured 371 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: critical rights for themselves, And what is it really going 372 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: to take to build a different, intersectional, sustainable, progressive feminist 373 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: movement that can really deliver both racial and gender justice 374 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: in this country. Julie, why do you think that, like what? 375 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: Why do you think that white women prefer to stay 376 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: in slumber? What is it? And is it just the 377 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: if I don't pay attention, if I don't tap in, 378 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: then my rights, as you said, we'll continue to be secured. 379 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: If I make too much noise, right, if I put 380 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: too much skin in the game, then I'm risking my 381 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: own liberty and how and I don't want to risk 382 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: my own liberty in order to secure someone over there? Yeah? 383 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: What is it? Well? I think on one level, we 384 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: have been thoroughly indoctrinated in this country with the myth 385 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: of the zero sum game that I can only have 386 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: what's mine if it comes at the expense of someone 387 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: else and someone else gaining some degree of you know, 388 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: whatever it is, wealth, comforts, security, dignity will come at 389 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: my expense. And so I think we really need to 390 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: be pushing back against that. And I think what is 391 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: one of the really difficult things about trying to create 392 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 1: this investment in the solidarity dividend at large is that 393 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: we are trying to create a society that we have 394 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: ever had. So we have you know, we have never 395 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: seen what it would look like. On the other side, 396 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: what an anti racist society, the benefits it would deliver 397 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: for all, and so it really sort of takes this 398 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: leap of faith, right that I have to believe that 399 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: it will be beneficial to me, my children, my family, 400 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: my community, even though I don't I haven't experienced it. 401 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like. And we're you know, 402 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: in a media environment and a political environment that is 403 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: constantly throwing racist fear mongering. Yep, you know our way 404 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: and constantly you know, reinforcing this. If this happens, you're 405 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: gonna you know, it's going to be at your expense. Yeah, 406 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's it's just some powerful work 407 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: that we have to do to overcome, you know. It's 408 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: What's what's so interesting, um, that you're saying, is that 409 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: I started my career thinking that I was going to 410 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: be in the women's movement. It was my desire when 411 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: I went to college, and you know, I majored in 412 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: political science, but my goal, you know, what my passion 413 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: was at that time was to be a part of 414 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: the women's movement. So I interned at the National Organization 415 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: for Women, which later became my first job out of college, 416 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: and it would also be the first job that I 417 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: quit because I had never felt so invisibilized as a 418 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: black woman, as a queer woman, my experience as an 419 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: intern versus the actual like infrastructure of the organization. Things 420 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: that I had heard right being said about women of color, 421 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: this idea that somehow everyone else needs to leave every 422 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: other part of themselves behind in pursuit of the quote 423 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: unquote greater good, which hearkens back to, you know, suffragious time. 424 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: Oh you know, why are you giving rights to these 425 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: black men before you are your own wives? And then 426 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: you know we're going to turn them into our enemy 427 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: in the pursuit of our greater good. Black women want 428 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: to work in coalition. Indigenous women want to work in 429 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: coalition because community understanding is the fundamentals of the societies 430 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: that we come from, right, But it isn't the same, 431 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: And so I wonder, too, how much is it our 432 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: lie that we tell ourselves around Americans, White Americans individualism 433 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't then allow allow white women to be a 434 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: part of the greater collective, which is how the rest 435 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: of us from marginalized and underrepresented communities have always had 436 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: to navigate through life through those safety nets of family, 437 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: whether biological or not, because of the way in which 438 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: we've been treated in society. So you have to build 439 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: your own safety net. So how much is it in 440 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: the way that we have been socialized right that doesn't 441 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: allow for white women to see themselves as part of 442 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: the larger community of women and people. Yeah, I think 443 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: that is. I think that those kind of individualistic mindsets 444 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: are so pervasive and have indeed infused, you know, all 445 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: of these movements for social justice, including the women's movement. 446 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: So yes, I think that's a big piece. And I 447 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: think the other piece is just the blinders that privilege 448 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: puts on one and this kind of ability to opt 449 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: out of seeing race when it's convenient not to do so. 450 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I really tried to ground the first 451 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: season of the podcast and some of my own sort 452 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: of reflections on the narrative I've told about myself, because 453 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is like unpacking the 454 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: stories we have ourselves and the way we view ourselves. 455 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I grew up in this progressive, largely white, 456 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: liberal community, suburban community in Minnesota at a time when 457 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: there was like, you know, kind of it was a 458 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: state of sort of public investment. We believed in the 459 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: common good, We believed in all these kind of public benefits, 460 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: and believing this kind of myth about this progressive utopian 461 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: not utopian, but you know, like kind of very good 462 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: meaning you know, good community and then really having that 463 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean shattered. You know, obviously I questioned that you know, 464 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: had a more political, politically nuanced understanding of that as 465 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: I aged, but particularly when Minneapolis has become ground zero 466 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: for violent policing and these horrific murders of black men 467 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: at the hands of police officers, you know, and some 468 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: of the largest racial discrepancies on almost any measure of 469 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: well being, and sort of how this progressive myth kind 470 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: of um prevented clear sightedness about the inequity that was 471 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, hiding in plain sight my whole life. And 472 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: so I think that it really is incumbent upon all 473 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: of us to do that critical analysis of the stories 474 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: we tell about ourselves and sort of this belief we 475 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: want to have in our own goodness and really look 476 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: at the ways that by not attending to race or 477 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: selectively attending to race, we are maintaining, we are actively 478 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: perpetrating and maintaining a deeply racist stated status quo. And 479 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: you know your own inequity, right because because the reality is, 480 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, the at that none of us are free 481 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,239 Speaker 1: until we're all free, right, And it is it is, 482 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: it is that sentiment and that reality that unless we're 483 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: going to and as I say on wok af often, 484 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: unless you're going to do the hard work of interrogating 485 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: your own feelings, and I will go so far as 486 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: to say interrogating your own history, because there is this 487 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: desire I think that you know, the original big lie 488 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: wasn't one about election fraud. It was one about white 489 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: American exceptionalism and the belief that you know, the desire 490 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: right now is to erase the our violent origin story 491 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: in this country, to preserve the big lie that white 492 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: people came here to you know, spread goodwill and do 493 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: all the right things in America. And you're just like, oh, 494 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: but if you actually listen to the stories of those 495 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: that were oppressed, then you don't look like this great 496 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: savior right there, the home of the brave. You don't 497 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: look like the myths that you've been putting up. The 498 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: myths don't hold up over time once other people have 499 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: the microphone in their own hands and are able to 500 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: narrate their own stories outside of what they've been fed. 501 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And I think, you know, even though 502 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: I would have been someone, I think probably my whole 503 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: life would have been raised with a political awareness about, 504 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, the fact that American exceptionalism was someone of 505 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: a myth. I think I still believed, and I talk 506 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: about this in the first season of the podcast, in 507 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: this myth of sort of our own my own specialness 508 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: as kind of a enlightened progressive white person, and you 509 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: have to also combat that, right, Yeah, that is also 510 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: a myth, and that there is nothing special about ourselves 511 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: and our communities and you know, and that we are 512 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: all have a responsibility to be doing more, better, different 513 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: And I really believe that, you know, the way that 514 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: this anti supposed critical race theory issue has taken off 515 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: is at its core a protection of that belief in 516 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: our own goodness, right, and a and a very visceral 517 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: desire to not engage in anything that could challenge that. 518 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: Like this is a story about you know, this is 519 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: a fight over the narratives we tell ourselves and we 520 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: get codified as truth. And if we don't address that 521 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: and change that, like that and the possibility that that 522 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: could change is so deeply threatening to folks. So how 523 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: do you feel, Julie, how do we go about the 524 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: collective unpacking? How do we go about you know what 525 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: I what I often say, putting the mirror to the 526 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: face of white America and saying that you know, as 527 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: James Baldwin said so many many years ago, you can't 528 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: change things that you don't face. And the desire right now, 529 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: right through the pushback with critical race theory, which I 530 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: continue to remind people, is not taught in K through 531 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: twelve schools. It is taught in law school as an elective, 532 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: and in some law schools not all right that if 533 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: the force behind the pushback is to hold on to 534 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: this make believe of white American exceptionalism, then how do 535 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: we go about forcing people to look in the mirror, 536 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: forcing white people to look in the mirror and say, 537 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: like you have the ability to be both monster right 538 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: and innovator right, Like you have like you are also 539 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: a complex human right that isn't just about being Glenda 540 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: the good Witch, right, like, there is all of these 541 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: other levels. So how do you think that we continue 542 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: down this road when now there's just so much pushback 543 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: their actual laws and policies going on the book to 544 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: make sure that, as Ron de Santis said, don't feel uncomfortable, 545 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: so that they don't feel any discomfort, can go along 546 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: just for the get along. Yeah, No, I think that 547 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: mean we should call all these laws like the codifying 548 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: of white fragility laws, right, that's what they are, right, 549 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: like the protection of white fragility, to make sure that 550 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: that is not challenged. And you know, I think it 551 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: taps into sort of the way the unique ways that 552 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: white women's racism has always been manifest in this country. 553 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: There's a wonderful book called Mothers of Mass Resistance by 554 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gillespie McRae, and she was a guest of mine 555 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: on the first season of the podcast where she talks 556 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 1: about how these battles of her education have long been 557 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: sort of where it's been socially sanctioned for white women 558 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: to kind of activate their racism, right like from the 559 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: anti from the anti integration, anti school busing campaigns of 560 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties and seventies to now what we see 561 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: around you know, both the sort of anti public education 562 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: in terms of like the uproar over you know, school 563 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: closures and mask wearing and public health measures to the 564 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: anti so called critical race theory debates. But I mean, 565 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: it really is this way of protecting my comfort as 566 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: a white person in the masked in this I am work, 567 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: I am giving myself to my child's best interests. Right this, 568 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: this white womanhood has been constructed and that I am 569 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: a you know this this my you know again, my goodness, 570 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: my my caretaking, my my mothering. So what is it 571 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: going to take to change it? I mean, one, it's 572 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: why I wanted to, like, you know, have some of 573 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: these public conversations, yeah, that both examine sort of the 574 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: big picture and the personal and hopefully start to prompt 575 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: more people to have these conversations. But then, you know, 576 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: kind of moving into the second season in the podcast 577 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: where we look at the care caregiving crisis in this country, 578 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: I also think it's going to take policies that put us, 579 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 1: that provide benefits to us and build that solidarity dividend 580 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: that that show us concretely that there are better ways 581 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: of orienting society in ways that we all benefit. And 582 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: I think if we could get some of these, you know, 583 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: if we can change some of our policies, I also 584 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: think that helps us change our narratives. So I don't 585 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: think that like they're they're interconnected, right. I think narrative, 586 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: narrative and the stories we tell need can lead to 587 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: different kind of policies, and different kind of policies can 588 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: also lead to different narratives. I think it's a really 589 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: iterative process. But I do think that if we can 590 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: have some investment, some greater investment in the common good 591 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: that allows us to build bridges and to see one 592 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: another's dignity and to really show kind of the common 593 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: humanity that we need to be all invested in building 594 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: and forging. Julie, what is coming up next with a 595 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: white picket fence force for season three? What will folks 596 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: be looking forward to? Yeah, well, we're early in our 597 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: in our thinking right now, but I really would like 598 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: to sort of knit together our first two seasons because 599 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: I think the issues that we unpacked in both of 600 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: those are coming to a head politically. You know. I've 601 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: really been interested in the in the first two seasons, 602 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: in these moments of political disruption, Donald Trump's election, the 603 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement, and particularly the mass demonstrations that 604 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: arose in the wake of George Floyd's murder, and what 605 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: we saw sort of at least a momentary building of 606 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: interracial solidarity in the wake of that, and then this 607 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: public health crisis that caused massive shared pain, particularly for parents, 608 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: and again particularly for mothers who were affected most dramatically 609 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: by lack of childcare and lack of public accessible schools, 610 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: and all of these I think disruptions could have been 611 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: a moment of tremendous political transformation where we really those 612 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: solidarity dividends. And what we've seen in the wake of 613 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: all of these is a tremendous rise of racist backlash. 614 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 1: And so I think we're at this very precarious moment, 615 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: and I just so I'd really like to look at 616 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: why again, why are we seeing this racist backlash in 617 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: this moment, Who's behind it, how are they messaging this, 618 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 1: and what do we need to do to do something differently, Like, 619 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: we have a choice in how we engage at this moment, 620 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: and I'd like to offer people a different path forward. 621 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: I love that Julian I can't wait. I can't wait 622 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: for it. I can't wait for the third season. And 623 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: you know, I will say that I don't often, you know, 624 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to really delve into the psychology of 625 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: white women, which is what you have done, and really, 626 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: you know, create this historical arc that then brings us 627 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: to this current space and place right because the questions 628 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: that I think that a lot of us have is 629 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: why are we here? Right? And I would argue, because 630 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: we don't have the courage, we don't have the courage 631 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: right to look in the mirror, We don't have the 632 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: courage to say that America isn't exceptional, right, that the 633 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: belief of that exceptionalism is what has left us open 634 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: for the vulnerability of our empire to collapse right without 635 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, without understanding who we are and how we 636 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: got here, how do you chart a path forward? And 637 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's just the reality. And so this 638 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: has been a really wonderful conversation and I hope that 639 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: you'll come back to Woke AFU sooner rather than later. 640 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: I would love that. It's been wonderful to talk to you. 641 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: Appreciate you, folks. The podcast is White Picket fence. Make 642 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: sure to check out the first two seasons so that 643 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: you will be prepared for season three. Now, folks, for 644 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: our transition into our woke moment of wellness. And I 645 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: want to say, I really appreciate folks dropping notes and 646 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: telling me that you are walking, telling me that you're 647 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: caring for your plants, telling me that you are really 648 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: being intentional about your wellness. And like I said at 649 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: the top when talking about COVID, if we are not 650 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: taking responsibility for our own health and well being, we 651 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 1: cannot assume that other people are going to take responsibility. 652 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: And at a time when our health and our public 653 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: safety are all just up in the air, it is important, 654 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: it is more important than ever that we take care 655 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: that we make those doctors appointments, that we work out, 656 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: that we eat well, that we stay hydrated, that we 657 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,959 Speaker 1: stay grounded and connected, because, as I continue to say, 658 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,439 Speaker 1: things are going to get a lot worse before they 659 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: get better. So, you know, here's something that I want 660 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: to share a lot of people tell me that you know, 661 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: they've tried meditation and you know it doesn't work for them, 662 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: or they fall asleep, or you know, they just they 663 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: don't feel whatever. They think is going to be that 664 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: dreamy state of of meditation and what I want to offer. 665 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: And again, I use one app right now, but I 666 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: know again there are many and they are free. But 667 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: inside Timer, not only do they have guided meditations, meaning 668 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: that you can just listen to people talking and guiding 669 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: you through meditation, but they also have really beautiful music. 670 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,800 Speaker 1: And so even if you know quote unquote meditation, sitting 671 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: and listening or breathing on your own for a certain 672 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: time frame doesn't work for you, I would encourage you 673 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: to check out just the beats and the melodies and 674 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: the music that are on these different apps, whether it 675 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: be three minutes, ten or twenty or more, as a 676 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: way to help us level out our cortisol levels and 677 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: just you know, get lost in the music. You can 678 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: do that while walking, washing the dishes, you know, laying 679 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: down right before you go to sleep. But if meditation, 680 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: if listening to a guided medic aation and doing that 681 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: kind of breathwork isn't your cup of tea, that I 682 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: encourage you to listen to some music and during that 683 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: time just doing your own breathing in counts of four, right, 684 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: So do you breathe in holding for four seconds and 685 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 1: then exhaling out through your mouth. Try to do three 686 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: rounds of that where you're counting in your head to 687 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: four as you're inhaling, you hold for four and then 688 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: release for four. Try three rounds of that. Try it today, 689 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: Try it right after the podcast. See if you find 690 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: that your shoulders relax right, that your body loosens up, 691 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: and that you can actually feel your breath change. So 692 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: try and do those breathing exercises while you're just listening 693 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: to that serene you know music, whether it is their 694 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: wonderful violinists, piano harps, like all of these things. It 695 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: doesn't take a lot of time, but again it's that 696 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: intentional time where we're looking to connect and align with 697 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: our body, with our breath, with our emotions and really 698 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: using right that time for ourselves and being intentional about it. 699 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: So give that a whirl and let me know in 700 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,320 Speaker 1: the comments section what you think and how you're reacting 701 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: to it, folks. Coming up next is my conversation with 702 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,479 Speaker 1: Julie Koehler from White Picket Fence. Make sure to check 703 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: out her podcast as well. I think you will enjoy it. 704 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, folks. Here on woke 705 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: f daily as always. Power to the people and to 706 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, Get woke and stay woke as fuck.