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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Quest Love. We have teams Supreme with us.
Speaker 1: Let's see, we have Sugar, Steve Hi. Everybody right now
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Speaker 2: Where you at, Steve, Yeah, I'm outside of radio study
Speaker 2: music Hall, recording live for up frame.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, And our fan base is out there. That's
Speaker 1: awesome looking on the street, on the street. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Steve it is. That's where his fans are on the
Speaker 1: street out there. So we have unpaid bill. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: how's it going on? How's the how's the wine bar?
Speaker 1: What are you drinking?
Speaker 4: Tonight, little ship pain, let's call it tonight delicious pain.
Speaker 4: It's it's for the pain. It's pro paid, it's pro
Speaker 4: it's this is tastes your favorite.
Speaker 1: Part of the day when you when you get down
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get to see my friends have a drink
Speaker 4: and you know, talk about the ship.
Speaker 1: I see, all right at you cool and yeah. I
Speaker 1: can't say yeah, waiting me to say north.
Speaker 5: See whatever.
Speaker 1: I need some other. I might need some other. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I believe you know your state very well, but I need.
Speaker 6: Some know the witnesses, because anybody any nigga saying that
Speaker 6: ship is over fifty Okay, ain't no, ain't no young
Speaker 6: nigga saying that ship.
Speaker 1: We don't say that cold like nah nah, bro. Is
Speaker 1: there a Philadelphia equivalent of there, like Philadelphia some ship shah?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but then it became kiladelph in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, so ended that. Uh yeah, Marcaret, Yeah look
Speaker 1: at you. Yeah yeah, Margaret, I forgot I forgot the
Speaker 1: mark in the house. Yeah we did, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I will say that our esteemed guest today is definitely
Speaker 1: hip hop Royalty. And I'm not making that reference because
Speaker 1: she's UK based. She came first to our at Tension
Speaker 1: as a member of what I think is one of
Speaker 1: the most innovative collectives in music, not just hip hop,
Speaker 1: but music and I'm speaking, of course, of the native tongues.
Speaker 1: She's one of the first generation international mcs. She's made
Speaker 1: her mark, given memorable verses on singles for a vast
Speaker 1: array of people, be it Whitney Houston, Fine on Cannibals, Prince,
Speaker 1: the Jungle Brothers, Daylight, Soul Rass Cast Common least we
Speaker 1: forget or not forget her classic performance on the Anthem
Speaker 1: Ladies First with Queen Latifa and I'm also at the
Speaker 1: top of the new millennium. She shifted her golden voice
Speaker 1: to radio, especially in my hometown of Philly. Remind me
Speaker 1: to ask you about that Gez conversation by I've never
Speaker 1: spoken about that. I've heard a lot about it. I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm Philadelphia and I got it. I always
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you that also Atlanta George's as well
Speaker 1: as well as her nationwide show on Serious FM Ladies First.
Speaker 1: Probably the biggest marvel here about our guest is her
Speaker 1: refusal and her inability to age as a mother of four.
Speaker 1: I assume four fully grown kids and a grandmother. I
Speaker 1: swear to God our guests will remain about twenty eight
Speaker 1: years old until the year nineteen thousand and eighty four. Okay,
Speaker 1: what can I say? Longtime coming, ladies and gentlemen, please
Speaker 1: welcome mony love to quest Lofe Suprie. Yes, all right, look,
Speaker 1: I'm as as a man. I'm learning lessons post twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Not to comment on people's physicality or their age or whatever,
Speaker 1: but this has to be spoken about what is your
Speaker 1: secret to youth?
Speaker 5: I don't have a secret to youth. I mean, I
Speaker 5: don't know why everybody keeps everybody always says that, because
Speaker 5: trust me, my knees have got more cracked than Harlem
Speaker 5: in the ages.
Speaker 1: I feel you.
Speaker 7: But what you being on at night?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like Chris, like what is it?
Speaker 5: I don't you know. Honestly, I drink and I drink
Speaker 5: a lot of water, that's for sure. I really do.
Speaker 5: I really do. And it sounds really corny, but I
Speaker 5: really do drink a lot of water. And aside from that,
Speaker 5: I'm still keeping up with the kids. Like I've still
Speaker 5: got kids that I'm chasing around the house and so
Speaker 5: on and so forth.
Speaker 1: You know, how old is your youngest?
Speaker 5: Twelve?
Speaker 1: Okay? Well I see, yeah. I mean there's sometimes where
Speaker 1: like I can't tell the difference between you and Charlena,
Speaker 1: and you know I can't like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, half the time, I get it, yeah, because it's
Speaker 5: like that either.
Speaker 1: Your your daughter must have taken your iPhone and posted
Speaker 1: a picck on I g r ever, but yeah, more
Speaker 1: more more power to you. I want whatever you're drinking,
Speaker 1: you have it. I want to live forever. So yes,
Speaker 1: the water right now, as you speak, what is the
Speaker 1: environment in Atlanta? Because to the rest of the United States,
Speaker 1: we're just we're kind of side eyeing, not the residents,
Speaker 1: but you know more or less no, well not even
Speaker 1: what's your name, Keisha, Not even Keisha, because I know
Speaker 1: where she stands. But right now I'm just hearing like
Speaker 1: everything that Atlanta is sodom and more like.
Speaker 5: Basically, honestly, no, honestly, I can understand why everybody else
Speaker 5: is looking at Atlanta like that because to a lot
Speaker 5: in a lot of areas like things should be closed
Speaker 5: that are not closed. So I understand why everybody else
Speaker 5: is looking at it, like what are you guys doing
Speaker 5: out there? Honestly, me speaking for myself, I'm going with
Speaker 5: the train of thought as we're not supposed to be
Speaker 5: doing a bunch of a bunch of stuff, you know,
Speaker 5: I do a to B I leave, I leave the house,
Speaker 5: I go to the radio station. I do the radio
Speaker 5: station the show. I come home. I might stuff at
Speaker 5: the grocery store, pick up groceries for the kids and
Speaker 5: what have you. That's about it, you know, I just
Speaker 5: I don't really do too much. I need to do
Speaker 5: my kids. You know, everybody's homeschooled, which is I share
Speaker 5: my laptop, I share my desktop, which is why nothing
Speaker 5: in my house is sacred anymore. But they are, They're
Speaker 5: doing too much. They're doing too much in general.
Speaker 1: Is there a kind of like is there a true
Speaker 1: awareness of at least for you know, I know it's
Speaker 1: for everybody, but even for black people like that, there's
Speaker 1: a danger out there. I understand that, you know, at
Speaker 1: least some of the hotep cats that.
Speaker 5: I know that are Are you allowed to say that.
Speaker 1: Hotel?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a real.
Speaker 5: Starts that starts like fights.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if the shoe fits. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like we just we just live in the time in which,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, where facts are optional and everyone's
Speaker 1: everyone's opinion is sort of subjective to what they think,
Speaker 1: you know, right, And I mean it's bad enough with
Speaker 1: my family, Like I me trying to convince certain family
Speaker 1: members that they should get the vaccine. And you know,
Speaker 1: I understand the the history that we've had within in
Speaker 1: trepidation and all that stuff, but I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: exhausted enough arguing nine family members about this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it's just like in Atlanta
Speaker 1: where I mean I've seen clips of All Star Week
Speaker 1: and where people were just like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm crazy I skipped.
Speaker 7: So you haven't had the whole study parties or anything
Speaker 7: like that down there.
Speaker 5: Well I did, Uh no, I did, Actually I did.
Speaker 5: You know what I did. I went to Tampa and
Speaker 5: I did The super was a driving concept and that
Speaker 5: was me and alumni. It was me special Ed, Chubb, Rock,
Speaker 5: Kuame and Dana Day and we did that and that
Speaker 5: was a driving That was my first driving concert. So
Speaker 5: that was Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 1: Do people respond by a honking their horns? Absolutely so
Speaker 1: when it starts doing nightmares like people were like, it
Speaker 1: was amazing.
Speaker 5: That was my first experience with that and it was
Speaker 5: absolutely that. Like when you say make some noise.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, wait, next time you wrapped a Chubb,
Speaker 1: tell him that I'm want to pay his two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars debt to Prince Paul if Paul tells the story
Speaker 1: one more time. Man, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just cover this dep.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: No, okay, So of course I know some areas of
Speaker 1: your life. But for our listeners who don't know what
Speaker 1: part of were you born in the UK? What part
Speaker 1: of the UK?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, South London, Chelsea. I was born in since
Speaker 5: in Chelsea and that is South London.
Speaker 1: Okay, South London. Can you talk about the environment of
Speaker 1: of what South London was when you were growing up?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay. Being black and in England, you're either Caribbean
Speaker 5: descent or straight up Africa, like your parents come from
Speaker 5: Ghana on Nigeria or mostly Ghana and Nigeria, or your
Speaker 5: parents come from any of the Caribbean So it could
Speaker 5: be Trinidad's, it could be Grenada, it could be Barbados,
Speaker 5: Saint Lucia, Jamaica. My family is or from Jamaica and
Speaker 5: that's what makes up the black population pretty much when
Speaker 5: I was growing up in England. Now it's it's a
Speaker 5: lot people from everywhere, more places, But back then that's
Speaker 5: what it was and the reason why it was that
Speaker 5: is because I think like in the fifties, they England
Speaker 5: reached out to its commonwealth countries to bring in manpower
Speaker 5: to help to rebuild the country after the last series
Speaker 5: of wars, and so they reached out to their commonwealth,
Speaker 5: the British Commonwealth, which is all the countries that they owned. Exactly,
Speaker 5: thank you Ante.
Speaker 7: Yeah, basically I'm so light, so polite about it.
Speaker 5: I love it. And so my grandfather was amongst them.
Speaker 5: And so what happened was families, the heads of families
Speaker 5: went over to England and then bit by bit they
Speaker 5: send for their wives, and they send for their children
Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. But by that time
Speaker 5: my grandfather had already had my grandparents had already had
Speaker 5: five kids that were older and left. My mother was
Speaker 5: of the last five. She was at younger five. So
Speaker 5: she had to get shipped off to her parents in England,
Speaker 5: which racking for her, she told me, because she she
Speaker 5: didn't even know what a coat was. So yeah, she
Speaker 5: got to England and it was like it's cold, you know,
Speaker 5: So yeah, and then that's what that's pretty much how
Speaker 5: a lot of our parents, people in my age bracket,
Speaker 5: how a lot of our parents got England, so hence
Speaker 5: we were born in England. My generation of generation in
Speaker 5: my family born outside of Jamaica.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know when this will air exactly,
Speaker 1: but we're sort of speaking right now, right when UK
Speaker 1: is on the sort of the forefront of the news
Speaker 1: with how the monarchy and its relationship with an American community.
Speaker 5: Yeah, American community.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so used to saying that the black
Speaker 1: community of the UK. Okay, man, I just did a
Speaker 1: patrise O Neil thing. You know when Patrice jokes that
Speaker 1: when he goes to European countries and still calls them
Speaker 1: foreigners like that, that's actually.
Speaker 3: And not even the term that you say mo like, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I did not hear the term African American until I
Speaker 5: came to this country.
Speaker 7: No, but what do you call so do they? Do
Speaker 7: you say the blacks of the UK?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: Is that something that you say as a black.
Speaker 5: We just we just say black people a black person.
Speaker 7: Like British right right right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: No, not really, But.
Speaker 1: What I the thing is, you know, I was watching
Speaker 1: the news today and they had, you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of news pundits on talking about uh well mainly marco
Speaker 1: versus old boy from the Peers, here's Morgan. And you know,
Speaker 1: when he was speaking of his disgust of certain figures
Speaker 1: in the media and especially with the Prime Minister there,
Speaker 1: I mean, I noticed that he was using talking points
Speaker 1: that I thought were just exclusively for African Americans in
Speaker 1: the United States, Like I thought, just I thought, basically
Speaker 1: like post slavery stereotypes of black people, Like he was
Speaker 1: saying that the Prime Minister was on the record once
Speaker 1: saying that you know, like every black person here in
Speaker 1: London has watermelon smiles, and was using terms like pickaninny
Speaker 1: and things that I thought were exclusively just for like
Speaker 1: based in down South American terms mm hmmm that I've
Speaker 1: never heard used in Europe before, which I mean I foolishly.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I know that racism is worldwide
Speaker 1: is nigger, right, But that's the thing, Like I.
Speaker 5: Know, I never heard that until I came to this country, right.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's the thing. I haven't heard the
Speaker 1: terms used for us in the United States over there.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to know, like, what what.
Speaker 5: Was our version of your version, our version of the
Speaker 5: n word was wog, w o, g wog. You're a wog. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So the.
Speaker 1: White person calls you wog, then it's time to start
Speaker 1: throwing hands.
Speaker 5: If if a white person calls you a wog, they're
Speaker 5: going to be tons allness.
Speaker 3: But do other black people call themselves walks? No, so
Speaker 3: then they're.
Speaker 1: So there's not a term's.
Speaker 5: W w And the word wog comes from the end
Speaker 5: of golliwog, and a golliwog if you look that up,
Speaker 5: was one of those like black face dolls. It's like
Speaker 5: a rag doll, right, So it's made out of material,
Speaker 5: and it's black face with wool hair, right, and it
Speaker 5: looks like actually kind of like it's dressed like how
Speaker 5: Al Jolson is to dress. So it's a rag doll.
Speaker 5: It's a rag doll that's dressed like Al Jolson. It's
Speaker 5: black face with wolf coat. And that's a golliwog.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious if that even has a relationship to
Speaker 1: the word poly. I was thinking that too. I've heard
Speaker 1: that used in many punk rock or something like that.
Speaker 1: So to me that I don't pog is like a
Speaker 1: little like toad or something. Right, It's like a.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that is, that is, but Golliwog was
Speaker 5: a doll.
Speaker 1: Ain't that?
Speaker 7: Yeah? All right? Now I ain't never all right, got it?
Speaker 5: All right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But growing up what you know, for for some of
Speaker 1: the onand as a tadpole, okay, tadpole, but growing up
Speaker 1: and over there? How long were you over there before
Speaker 1: before you came to the United States?
Speaker 5: I left, I left England for good when I was
Speaker 5: seventeen and changed.
Speaker 1: Okay, so up until that point, what was was there
Speaker 1: a racial tension at all?
Speaker 5: Or absolutely? Absolutely? It's just like it's just like, forgive
Speaker 5: the similarity, but it's like a cool a kool Aid
Speaker 5: of a different flavor. Well, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 5: whereas you may consider the kool Aid slavor over here
Speaker 5: of the f ship that was going on, you might
Speaker 5: consider that red. Okay, well, but it was orange, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. But it was still but it
Speaker 5: was still part of the kool Aid. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 5: used to be this group of you couldn't like you
Speaker 5: would have fear, I'd have I have an older brother.
Speaker 5: I would have fear for my brother to be out
Speaker 5: past a certain time because I would be scared that
Speaker 5: he'd bump into a group of National Front guys. National
Speaker 5: guys were skin heads. Yeah, they were skin heads with
Speaker 5: hides up to Martin boots and then green.
Speaker 1: Jacket, the red suspenders and the yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: That stuff right, and you get you know, they black boy,
Speaker 5: a couple of black boys get caught wrong side of town,
Speaker 5: it's late or whatever, they'd get done in. They'd get
Speaker 5: done and beat to a pulp death, you know. See.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that was my next question. Whereas you know,
Speaker 1: teenage me, my dad would probably have more fear that
Speaker 1: the police would do that to me first and then second,
Speaker 1: you know, going in the wrong side. I mean, we
Speaker 1: never Philadelphia really didn't get caught up in gang culture
Speaker 1: similar to if I were going.
Speaker 5: But there was that because there was a lot of
Speaker 5: markings on the wall saying National Front rules and go back,
Speaker 5: go wogs, go home and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it existed. And the parents would be scared mainly for
Speaker 5: their sons because the sons would always be the ones
Speaker 5: that would be prone to be out. The daughters would
Speaker 5: be at home, you know, and they would be scared
Speaker 5: for their sons running into groups of National Front kids
Speaker 5: and kicked in. And also the sad the sad vans,
Speaker 5: and the sad vans are paddy wagons, and that's what
Speaker 5: we used to call them, sad vans.
Speaker 1: Are you have you watched Small Acts? Yeah? No, And.
Speaker 5: You know something, I just got told about it. I
Speaker 5: just got told about it about and I was like,
Speaker 5: I need to watch it, I really And then I
Speaker 5: saw some of the trailers for it, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is exactly, yeah, this is exactly
Speaker 5: how we came up over there, exactly how we came up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People, the first two to me were did you
Speaker 1: watch the rest of it? Fante?
Speaker 6: Or I watched I just watched Lovers Rock. I haven't
Speaker 6: seen the other ones.
Speaker 1: Are you just seen the second one? The house party one?
Speaker 1: On the house Party one, I gotta watch the.
Speaker 5: One with and love Us Rock is a whole genre
Speaker 5: of music that we used to listen to.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I see music music wise. You know, I guess
Speaker 1: for us, even though he'dn't paraded as as hard as
Speaker 1: I expected him to, you know, slick Rick was sort
Speaker 1: of our I guess, our introduction that hip hop is
Speaker 1: a worldwide thing and not just a local New York thing.
Speaker 1: But like, what what was the the environment as far
Speaker 1: as hip hop was concerned, like how did it reach
Speaker 1: you over there?
Speaker 5: Okay? Uh? Through videos? Through videos, through Wild Style videos,
Speaker 5: breaking videos, graffiti videos. It came to us like that.
Speaker 1: We didn't get just firstlegs.
Speaker 5: We do well, I think bootlegs tapes of like Wild
Speaker 5: Style and and then that led onto actual real releases
Speaker 5: of like Breaking and Beach Street. But that's how it
Speaker 5: that's how it got to us when we got hip hop.
Speaker 5: We didn't get it in its music form first, we
Speaker 5: got it in its art form as far as the
Speaker 5: movement end of it.
Speaker 1: First that you didn't have a rappers Delight on radio?
Speaker 1: What the hell is this?
Speaker 5: Yeah? We did, but it was it was kind of discoing.
Speaker 5: We didn't we we didn't make the connection between hip
Speaker 5: hop the culture that that that came out of the rubble,
Speaker 5: you know, we didn't make that connection with we saw
Speaker 5: rappers Delight on Top of the Pops, which Top of
Speaker 5: the Pops is like a British version of American bandstand.
Speaker 5: So when we saw them on top of the pops
Speaker 5: doing Sugarhill Gang doing Rapids Delight, we didn't make the
Speaker 5: connection with the hip hop culture. Yet he started, we
Speaker 5: started a simulating our own pseudo movement of hip hop
Speaker 5: in England once we started seeing going on and as
Speaker 5: far as tapes of wild Style and as a matter
Speaker 5: of fact, somebody that helped deliver us more so with
Speaker 5: the culture, more so than Sugarhill Gang for England at least,
Speaker 5: was Malcolm McLaren because he included them breaking in his.
Speaker 1: Video Oh for Buffalo Girls.
Speaker 5: And we saw that and that's another way that we
Speaker 5: started making the connection, and so we started we developed
Speaker 5: cruise again. I was spinning on my back. I was
Speaker 5: I wasn't rhyming sons.
Speaker 1: So you started off dancing, you started off, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what was his what was his true role over there?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're Malcolm's name mentioned of course with the
Speaker 1: sex pistols and then you know it's early for a
Speaker 1: raison to electronic hip hop in eighty two eighty three,
Speaker 1: But I mean, was he this Spingali Warhol figure over
Speaker 1: there or like.
Speaker 5: What absolutely, that's exactly his position, that is exactly his position.
Speaker 1: Parties or you know.
Speaker 5: No, no, I wouldn't say that, or if he did,
Speaker 5: I certainly wasn't in that crowd and none of my
Speaker 5: peers were in that crowd. But what he did do
Speaker 5: and where we did make a direct connection with Malcolm
Speaker 5: MacLaren is that he ushered in the the dance art
Speaker 5: form of hip hop culture. He ushered that he helped
Speaker 5: usher that in to the to watch British kids for
Speaker 5: us to look at that and be like, how are
Speaker 5: they doing that? How wen about how to do that?
Speaker 5: How are they doing that? Now?
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, do you remember what, folks, what
Speaker 7: was before a hip hop then?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 7: What was what? Were young kids listening to the police?
Speaker 5: We were listening to the We were listening to the police.
Speaker 5: We were listening to we were listening. Yeah, we were.
Speaker 5: We weren't you know, we wasn't. We weren't doing anything.
Speaker 5: We didn't get hit by the hip hop cultural bug yet,
Speaker 5: you know we all we.
Speaker 1: Had was police makes sense though the scar the school
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 5: No absolutely because it was a very heavy A lot
Speaker 5: of the British bands were heavily influenced by the Caribbean
Speaker 5: population in England. So you know there's this there's this
Speaker 5: group called Bad Men and they were like a scar
Speaker 5: band too and bad Manners and they were, yeah, they
Speaker 5: were a scar band. Two. Of course we mentioned the police,
Speaker 5: night Runners, the specials, The Specials, that's another one. Heavily spy.
Speaker 5: There was two Jamaican guys in the group.
Speaker 1: So you mean like wred they Okay, explain this, What
Speaker 1: the hell's are Rudy. I hear the term rudy.
Speaker 5: White white shirt, white shirt, skinny, black tie, black jacket.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, yeah, drain pipes.
Speaker 1: That's to look like fish boone. Are these white guys
Speaker 1: or black guys? Like every time I hear a Rudy,
Speaker 1: is that like rude boy or something?
Speaker 5: Or yes, it's it's the British version of what Jamaicans
Speaker 5: would call rude boy.
Speaker 1: I see no, because you know, when I heard Sky songs,
Speaker 1: they're always talking about Rudy, and I thought, like, kind
Speaker 1: of that Johnny, what was Johnny Taylor's word? Like, oh joy, Jody, Jody? Right,
Speaker 1: I thought that Rudy was just like this fictional character
Speaker 1: or whatever that just woman while you was away, Right,
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
Speaker 8: But no, No, a Rudy is a British version of
Speaker 8: what Jamaicans call rude boy.
Speaker 5: Okay, Like if you look at early pictures of Bob
Speaker 5: and Bunny and Petere Tush, right, look at early pictures
Speaker 5: before everybody got locks. They were rude boys.
Speaker 3: Oh well, since you brought it up, can you talk
Speaker 3: about your daddy?
Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad's My dad was a rude boy. My
Speaker 5: dad's and my dad is full fledged rasta right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: my dad's full fledged raster ita. He's you know, all
Speaker 5: my life, his lucks is now under his feet.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, music at all? Or yeah?
Speaker 5: My dad played trumpet. Yeah, my dad played trumpet when
Speaker 5: I was growing up, So the house was very musical.
Speaker 5: Sundays was his days when he would practice. So he
Speaker 5: would put on a Louis Armstrong or a Miles Davis
Speaker 5: and he would play along to it, and that would
Speaker 5: be his practice. And that would happen on Sundays. And
Speaker 5: once I hear the trumpet going, that means I have
Speaker 5: to get up, and I have to clean the bathroom downstairs,
Speaker 5: and I have to clean my room. It was intuitive,
Speaker 5: you know, you know what's happening. Yeah, So, yeah, played
Speaker 5: trumpet and he was in a jazz band and England
Speaker 5: when I was growing up, were.
Speaker 1: You I'm not trying to stereotype. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of the black people
Speaker 1: that I met in the UK when they're talking about
Speaker 1: growing up in the seventies. They would tell me that basically,
Speaker 1: like a lot of their parents were super super conservative,
Speaker 1: so you know, they didn't have experiences of like sneaking
Speaker 1: out the house at thirteen to go to whatever a
Speaker 1: studio fifty four was or that sort of thing. Like
Speaker 1: were you a club kid at all? Or was cool
Speaker 1: Heirk's version of hip hop your music experience where you
Speaker 1: know there's playing on the streets or no.
Speaker 5: I we well, let's see when I started breaking and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. We would go to Covent Garden during
Speaker 5: the day in the afternoon and that's where and I
Speaker 5: would make sure all my chores were done so that
Speaker 5: I could bounce, and my parents wouldn't have anything to
Speaker 5: say but be back at a certainly, and I would
Speaker 5: go to Covent Garden meet up with my friends and
Speaker 5: we would just pop and break and just practice all day,
Speaker 5: either in Covent Garden Square or in the Charing Cross
Speaker 5: Tube station because the floors were really smooth in the
Speaker 5: Charing Cross Tube station, so we could so we could
Speaker 5: get some really good windmills in then backspins and down there.
Speaker 1: Oh so you were a serious b girl, Yeah, oh okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know your level was I don't know it
Speaker 1: was curiosity.
Speaker 5: Or like, oh yeah, no, we would battle. We would
Speaker 5: battle each other. It was all different crew. Seriously, we
Speaker 5: developed fake beef with North Londoners just for no reason.
Speaker 1: Because you needed somebody to battle. Yeah wait, that's that
Speaker 1: would be my side of town. Okay. So did did
Speaker 1: people like go to different territories or was it territorial?
Speaker 5: It was very Yeah, it was very territorial. It was
Speaker 5: very territorial. You know. We took it seriously. And there
Speaker 5: were fights sometimes and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you would not be caught on in Camden
Speaker 1: Market or any like, only.
Speaker 5: If somebody came over and was performing and they were
Speaker 5: at a place called what was the what was the
Speaker 5: name of the Electric Ballroom in Camden Town and sometimes
Speaker 5: there would be performances like I saw Chuck Brown and
Speaker 5: the Soul Searchers at Oh wow, yeah, I saw I
Speaker 5: saw Chuck Brown and Soul Searchers at in cam In
Speaker 5: Town at Electric Ballroom absolutely really yeah. I also saw
Speaker 5: Steps the Sonic in that same venue really yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hip hop hip hop wise, like how how big was
Speaker 1: the the local talent? Because again, like there was I
Speaker 1: knew of Slick Rick. There's a there's another dope rapper
Speaker 1: that was out like in nineteen eighty seven. I'm having
Speaker 1: a brain from the UK. From the UK the Derek
Speaker 1: b Cookie Crew, not Cookie Crew. But it's like this guy.
Speaker 1: He he always ended his verse with shopper then a
Speaker 1: heart attack, but he was rhyming over Bobby Birds. I'm coming.
Speaker 1: It's like they played it a few times in like
Speaker 1: eighty eight. I forget his name, but then a heart attack.
Speaker 1: It's my wrong the fact like, no, but I liked
Speaker 1: him because that sounded like a nigga from Snap. This
Speaker 1: is the thing. I like him.
Speaker 5: Because don't say this, don't say that everybody is yo.
Speaker 6: And I still and I'm still not convinced that that
Speaker 6: guy is not Vin Raims. I'm sorry, I'm still I'm
Speaker 6: still not convinced.
Speaker 1: I've never seen the Snap. I never seen him in
Speaker 1: the same place.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that with with most UK artists,
Speaker 1: they lose their accent once they start singing and rapping.
Speaker 1: But he maintained that that accent throughout. And that's why
Speaker 1: I liked him. But I wish I knew his name.
Speaker 5: But when I get off this podcast. I'm gonna hear that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. How did they look at that stuff? Though?
Speaker 1: B Oni like like Derek B and Cookie Crew? How
Speaker 1: were they received in the UK?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: They they were received very well because they were our
Speaker 5: first generation of born and bred British art.
Speaker 1: First wave was from there too, right yea proper girls?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yes yeah. Cookie Crew were my man as
Speaker 5: I was babysitter. I used to roll with them everywhere
Speaker 5: to all their shows, be at their sound checks. I
Speaker 5: learned a lot from being around them.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 5: I came up, Yeah, I came up under Susi Q
Speaker 5: and Debbie D. I came up under them.
Speaker 1: I love them, man, like I remember buying they They
Speaker 1: once played in a different world, on a different world
Speaker 1: the first season. There's a clip of of Dwayne and
Speaker 1: uh Denise back when Lisa but her name was on
Speaker 1: the show doing the wop to what's the first single
Speaker 1: Females get on up?
Speaker 5: Females?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I remember I don't know, like back then,
Speaker 1: if if a song was on a sitcom, then you
Speaker 1: asked about it the next day and then you got it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah you made but like, what do you
Speaker 1: know what they're doing now?
Speaker 5: Or well, I know I Wid still, I mean Remedy.
Speaker 5: Remedy is her name, Remedy, not Debide. WID's another of
Speaker 5: my uh, another of my female mcs that I look up.
Speaker 5: Tobd's Remedy is out of the Cookie Crew and I
Speaker 5: speak to her. She's on really well, she works. She
Speaker 5: actually heads her own marketing company still in London now
Speaker 5: and she still works very much within the music business,
Speaker 5: specifically because she had first time knowledge of being herself.
Speaker 5: So she works has her own marketing firm in the
Speaker 5: entertainment business in England.
Speaker 1: Okay, so how did you get the How did you
Speaker 1: make that transition into becoming an MC and taking it
Speaker 1: serious enough to actually doing it right?
Speaker 5: When did it? Was? Pretty much? When did it stop
Speaker 5: being a hobby or a secret that only was shared
Speaker 5: between me and the bathroom mirror with a toothbrush?
Speaker 1: Oh you was el for real?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah, like who pulled you out of your sidness
Speaker 1: and said you should do this?
Speaker 5: You know what it was? It was a bit of envy,
Speaker 5: and the envy came from I did a wait October
Speaker 5: December January February, I did a five months stint at
Speaker 5: George Wingate High School, in Brooklyn, New York. My mother
Speaker 5: was in transition of possibly moving to the United States.
Speaker 5: She had a job for a respected Jewish lawyer and
Speaker 5: my Manhattan at his office, and he was going to
Speaker 5: sponsor my mother. She came over, you know, she worked
Speaker 5: for his family, took care of his children or what
Speaker 5: have you, and in return he was going to, you know,
Speaker 5: do her bees there in the paper. That's how a
Speaker 5: lot of people did it back then. And she bought
Speaker 5: me with her because I was the youngest one. We
Speaker 5: were living in Brooklyn on East twenty eighth Street between
Speaker 5: Clarence Till You and I went to Georgia and Gate
Speaker 5: High School and they had metal detectives, which is something
Speaker 5: I had never seen before.
Speaker 3: He went from living around place where they the cops
Speaker 3: didn't have guns to a place where them I went.
Speaker 5: I went from Catholic school, not for dame or girls
Speaker 5: uniform with a crest on my blazer wearing. Okay, I
Speaker 5: went from that to lean on me for cron Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know. So it was quite a culture shock for me.
Speaker 5: But I found off in the same high school as
Speaker 5: mc light. Mc Light was already an aspiring MC and
Speaker 5: I would have to listen to her talk about how
Speaker 5: she was at Latin Quarters and so this is where
Speaker 5: the envy kicked in quarter.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, I just came back in the movie.
Speaker 5: Okay, So that's where the MV came in. So I
Speaker 5: when I left and went back to England after doing
Speaker 5: like six months going to school in Brooklyn, and I
Speaker 5: went England, and then I was like, if only light new,
Speaker 5: I'm just as dope. I'm dope too, I could rhyme.
Speaker 5: It was a secret. I never told anyone, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was a secret. I'm just I'm a wordsmith. English
Speaker 5: was my favorite language. Poetry was my favorite thing. I
Speaker 5: love words, you know, and so it was I had
Speaker 5: a knack for So I kept it a secret that
Speaker 5: I would write poems and write poetry and stuff. And
Speaker 5: so by the time I went back to England, and
Speaker 5: then I would be like, I should have told her,
Speaker 5: I should have told like that I'm dope to and
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blah. Right, So through all of that,
Speaker 5: I started letting it out, you know, I started letting
Speaker 5: it out that I could do this. Once I got
Speaker 5: home to England, so I made a name for myself.
Speaker 5: So the next time I saw a light, right, The
Speaker 5: next I saw light she came over to England to
Speaker 5: do a show, and I went to that show, right,
Speaker 5: and I made sure that I got backstage right. And
Speaker 5: then when I said huh, She's like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: you're you know you're back. You're back here. And I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I said, guess what. I was like,
Speaker 5: I could rhyme too, let me bust a verse. You wrote.
Speaker 1: How old are you at this point? How old are you?
Speaker 5: Like sixteen? And changed, Oh, I hadn't. I hadn't turned
Speaker 5: seventeen yet. Yeah. Yeah, those are the best auditions, right,
Speaker 5: do you remember you remember? I don't remember the first,
Speaker 5: but I do remember her saying, why didn't you tell me?
Speaker 5: You did this all this time? You were we were
Speaker 5: in school together and you could do this and you
Speaker 5: never told me? And I just was like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just I guess I wasn't ready yet, or I
Speaker 5: was nervous. You know. You would go and telling stories
Speaker 5: about going to like and being in the same club,
Speaker 5: in the same room as Eric, being Rakhim and all
Speaker 5: of them, and I was like, you know, I just
Speaker 5: was like little on me, secret or what have you.
Speaker 5: But but we was. We were tight in high school
Speaker 5: and then we developed an even stronger bond afterwards. When
Speaker 5: she saw me again in England and I bust my
Speaker 5: little rhyme for her whatever, she was very encouraging. She
Speaker 5: was very encouraging. She's like, I wish you would have
Speaker 5: told me you did this, you know, maybe we could have.
Speaker 5: I was like, I couldn't came to lettin Quarters with you.
Speaker 5: I was like, my grandfather's Jamaican. He meets me from
Speaker 5: school with a goddamn great Dane. Like nobody, oh wow,
Speaker 5: like that. Yeah, I'd come out of the school right
Speaker 5: and I'd be like this, Oh my god. You see
Speaker 5: those movies where people kids are at the doorway of
Speaker 5: their school and they're like, oh my god, that's my
Speaker 5: mom across.
Speaker 1: Letting me off a black beforehand.
Speaker 5: My grandfather would be across the street with a great Dane.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Wait, Simon, have you ever told that story before?
Speaker 5: Like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: It's not. Everyone knows that Busting and jay Z went
Speaker 1: to school together, and everyone knows that Tribe and Jungle
Speaker 1: Brothers went to school together. I think it's a big
Speaker 1: fucking deal there. You MC light went to the same school.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: That you know that you guys had this bond that
Speaker 1: apparently the world doesn't know about.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: And it's funny that you say jay Z because during
Speaker 5: that time, after I had gotten back to England, I
Speaker 5: met jay Z in England's phil during my sixteenth turning
Speaker 5: seventeenth year.
Speaker 1: The Wyan Sophie period exactly.
Speaker 5: He was there. Oh my god, you should have seen
Speaker 5: his such an apartment. That's why when people tried to
Speaker 5: there was a period of time when people would be like, oh,
Speaker 5: what people about in their rhymes ain't real from how
Speaker 5: their lively was, and then they would try to pin
Speaker 5: jay Z in that pigeonhole, like oh, he's talking about
Speaker 5: shit that he didn't really live. I would be the
Speaker 5: first person to be like, yes, he bloody did, he did, Yes,
Speaker 5: he bloody saw his apartment. I live in England, I
Speaker 5: was born in England and I've never seen an apartment
Speaker 5: that slipping we call him flat. I never seen a
Speaker 5: flat that bi Christ. It was huge. It was just
Speaker 5: like I always compared it to this movie that I
Speaker 5: saw with Harrison Forden regarding Henry where he went to
Speaker 5: the Okay, do you remember, do you remember bloody apartment.
Speaker 5: It was an apartment. It was massive. Yes, that is
Speaker 5: what jay Z had in England him and and I'm
Speaker 5: walking around and flat, like how the fuck do you
Speaker 5: guys have this? And I never in this country? Upstairs
Speaker 5: downstairs duplex him back like what he listen. They had
Speaker 5: the lavish life in England and he was there. They
Speaker 5: were there for like maybe four or five months or
Speaker 5: something like around. Yeah, we're around the same age. He's
Speaker 5: only like probably a year older than me or something,
Speaker 5: and so yeah, and that was when I met him,
Speaker 5: and then and then from there it was like it
Speaker 5: was like big brother everywhere I go when I came back,
Speaker 5: when I came back to and I would go places
Speaker 5: wherever it would be. I don't know why. He's like,
Speaker 5: what is that thing where somebody pops up out of
Speaker 5: a garbage can? Everywhere you go? But he would just
Speaker 5: be everywhere like how did you get here? With how
Speaker 5: you getting home? I've been places when I first came
Speaker 5: back to America, I've been places right where he'll in
Speaker 5: the same accurate that he talks about in his music
Speaker 5: that he had from back in the day, right when
Speaker 5: he was pushing accurates and all of that. That's why
Speaker 5: I tell people, yes he did. Yes, He'd be like
Speaker 5: he did, right. He'll pop up and be like, how
Speaker 5: are you getting home? And I'll be like, I can't
Speaker 5: up my friends, I'm chilling. No, get in the car
Speaker 5: and take me. Yes, and I'll be like I'm grown,
Speaker 5: you know, I was seventeen and change them. He would
Speaker 5: take me right home and that that yes, Guardian home.
Speaker 5: That so many times and to the point where I
Speaker 5: used to get like bloody hell, like what do I
Speaker 5: have like a tracking device? Like how are you always?
Speaker 5: How is he always? Did?
Speaker 3: I think it's so fascinating a job like the same
Speaker 3: age people don't even think about numbers? Is like that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: both of them.
Speaker 1: Are regressing in age. That's the Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: It's a lotion. They're not sharing it with us, but
Speaker 7: that's cool.
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna find that. God damn it.
Speaker 5: It puts the lotion on its skin.
Speaker 1: So I think the first time I heard you on
Speaker 1: record was there was a remix for Fine Young Cannibals.
Speaker 1: She drives me crazy. I didn't know it was you
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 5: How did you not know that was me? And Mary? Well?
Speaker 1: Because no, no, no, no, I didn't know what a money
Speaker 1: love was at the time when I heard it.
Speaker 5: Wait what Moyes right?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I knew of your name, Like I
Speaker 1: guess the first time I heard you was doing our
Speaker 1: own thing, I think on Jungle Brothers, but I believe
Speaker 1: She Drives Me Crazy remix kind of predated that a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I remember like you had a very definitive,
Speaker 1: like a very sexy voice. You had your accent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I'm knowing you for decades. So sorry, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: But I just that's interesting because I definitely wasn't trying
Speaker 5: to be that.
Speaker 1: No, but it's I mean, it's something. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it had to been something because you know, Prince reached
Speaker 1: out to you too. It was something very distinctive that
Speaker 1: didn't sound like any well. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's far and few between, uh
Speaker 1: with women in hip hop, but I mean they're they're there.
Speaker 1: It's been slow to come to fruition, and I'm again
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there's been a lack of female mcs,
Speaker 1: but there's definitely been a kind of the facet has
Speaker 1: been slow for the powers that be that will let
Speaker 1: them have a platform. But how did you But I
Speaker 1: remember that really making an impression on me, like got it?
Speaker 1: I liked it? I like the song, like I would
Speaker 1: spend that version in the club, that remix instead of
Speaker 1: the regular version. How did you like? Was that your
Speaker 1: your first time on WAX at that.
Speaker 5: Point, no, no, no, no no, I had. I had
Speaker 5: already had my own singles. Listen the first their single
Speaker 5: that was ever put together. I was in a group
Speaker 5: and we were called Don't Last Okay, all right? I
Speaker 5: was in a group and we were called just bad Productions,
Speaker 5: you know because like Bookie da Production.
Speaker 1: Like, oh wow, y'all was JBP okay a little bit
Speaker 1: of a sting. I see where he was going for Amonia,
Speaker 1: I'm a which So we were.
Speaker 5: It was four of us. I was the only girl.
Speaker 5: It was me, DJ MC, Jo MC mellow and Sparky.
Speaker 5: Sparky was the beat guy. He programmed all that beats.
Speaker 5: Mellow was another MC and DJ Pogo. They were three
Speaker 5: really like known DJs from the UK.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that being in JPP wait j B
Speaker 1: JBBB bad Productions JBP we bad productions, all right? So
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what.
Speaker 5: We put a record out? We put a record out
Speaker 5: and it was under Tim Westwards label.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow were freshter week? How old were you?
Speaker 1: How old were you that time?
Speaker 5: Oh? Fifteen?
Speaker 1: Just okay. I've heard so many stories. I've heard so
Speaker 1: many stories about Tim Westwood. What does he represent to
Speaker 1: hip hop culture for the UK? I've heard the best
Speaker 1: things about him and I heard the worst things about him.
Speaker 1: The first person I heard to get shot I was.
Speaker 1: I was there the night that he got shot in
Speaker 1: the ass. Boy, I used to live in London. We
Speaker 1: were shocked. We were what was the name of that
Speaker 1: that junglest crew?
Speaker 6: What so solid, so so solid, so solid crew, so
Speaker 6: solid crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we we had did a gig all I remember, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't do a gig. Tribe had come over to
Speaker 1: the UK. This is right when min Maratists came out.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened? Uh When we got home, we found out
Speaker 1: the next night that that Westwood had gotten shot in
Speaker 1: the ass by one of the sole Solid people or
Speaker 1: one of those Jungleist crews. And it was at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, up until that point, I thought he was
Speaker 1: like an untouchable luminary because you know, he's on the
Speaker 1: intro of public enemies, nation of millions. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: until you know, when we got news of this happening.
Speaker 1: Then I'd started hearing like some of the shadier things
Speaker 1: or whatever. But what what was Tim Westwood's role in
Speaker 1: hip hop? And you know, again, I always think that forever,
Speaker 1: whoever the poster boy is of the movement, there's always
Speaker 1: some unspoken hero that really did the work or whatnot.
Speaker 1: So I never know who to believe, Like is he
Speaker 1: a hero? Is he a villain?
Speaker 5: Is he let me say, all right, let me tell
Speaker 5: you how realist is gonna get with me? Right? Okay,
Speaker 5: talking about Tim Westwood. I don't care for Tim Westwood, Okay,
Speaker 5: I have I have no inhibitions of saying that, knowing
Speaker 5: that he's going to see this. You know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't care for you. You noticed him, however, he
Speaker 5: was everything to hip hop and provided us a place
Speaker 5: and a space to be able to listen to the
Speaker 5: music of the be, able to battle each other from
Speaker 5: all the different corners of London. He was the only
Speaker 5: person that got us a venue. And you was about
Speaker 5: as big lean to the side. Yeah, it was about
Speaker 5: as big as that, right, The venue was about as
Speaker 5: big as that with the Michael Jackson, Billie Jean dance
Speaker 5: floor right with the you know, absolutely right, and it
Speaker 5: was only for two hours on a Saturday, so it
Speaker 5: was a lunch time jam. So he didn't he didn't
Speaker 5: even get a space, a big space for a long time.
Speaker 5: He started off tiny with a amount of time that
Speaker 5: he's still a space and a place where we could come.
Speaker 5: We could listen to hip hop music and we could
Speaker 5: battle each other, right, and we could expel us within
Speaker 5: the culture. He did that and then from there what
Speaker 5: he further did was got himself a small pocket of
Speaker 5: time on BBC Radio. It wasn't BBC back then, it
Speaker 5: was the other one. I can't bloody remember the Capital.
Speaker 5: He got a radio show on Capital Radio where it
Speaker 5: was a very short show, but it was the only
Speaker 5: one that existed that played hip hop music. He is
Speaker 5: the can't do it. He is the reason why there
Speaker 5: were groups that were able to come over and do shows,
Speaker 5: because without us being able to hear the music, and
Speaker 5: without us being able to have somewhat of a scene
Speaker 5: in England, there's no reason for us to want to
Speaker 5: go out there to see any of your artists performed,
Speaker 5: because we would not have been familiar with them if
Speaker 5: it wasn't for Tim Westwood. He was the can't do
Speaker 5: it for hip hop. He was one of the main
Speaker 5: can't do it for hip hop culture. So this and
Speaker 5: when I said to you in the beginning of me
Speaker 5: even talking about you know, this is how real I'm
Speaker 5: going to get it. If you hate me, give you
Speaker 5: an speaking about somebody where I say to you, I
Speaker 5: don't really care for them too much, but yet and
Speaker 5: still I follow that by by telling you how important
Speaker 5: this was to the culture as far as its progression
Speaker 5: in Okay, you know what I'm telling you. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm telling you is real.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I can see that. Like Suge
Speaker 1: Knight is a villain, but I won't deny the power
Speaker 1: of death Row. Nobody's really good. Nobody wants to get
Speaker 1: on this platform with me.
Speaker 6: No, no, no Sugar for real. I mean the thing
Speaker 6: with Sugar, I mean he even said it. The things
Speaker 6: that he was doing back then, like you know, signing
Speaker 6: artists to like, okay, we get a piece of.
Speaker 1: Your publishing, your shows, your this.
Speaker 6: You know, at the time, all the labels was like ah,
Speaker 6: sugar is ripping y' all off.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit.
Speaker 6: But now they're all doing it now deal, Yeah, they
Speaker 6: all is shuging your head. So he was in the
Speaker 6: criminal he was just ahead of his time, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 5: Comparison, I was going for that.
Speaker 1: Supreme moment. Yeah, we can say, we can say if
Speaker 1: you want to, are.
Speaker 7: Based on my cluess loves supreme experience.
Speaker 5: Prince m.
Speaker 6: Pregnant pause, yeahgnant, Prince how give it to its like
Speaker 6: break it down?
Speaker 3: No, just because just on the perception of somebody doing
Speaker 3: great but at the same time talking to like the
Speaker 3: revolution and seeing on an individual level and as a
Speaker 3: person he may not have always been like the nicest
Speaker 3: and always exactly.
Speaker 7: So I'm just saying that.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, that's that's remember when you when you said, uh,
Speaker 5: there was some disparaging stories and some people kind of
Speaker 5: started coming out saying, oh, well, Tim, what's what did this?
Speaker 5: And he did that? Fante would did you just say?
Speaker 5: What was the word?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so they got something in there.
Speaker 7: You go, he's a dicks.
Speaker 1: There, it's a lot of dicks.
Speaker 7: That's you're doing a lot of great things. We're learning
Speaker 7: that's what I want.
Speaker 5: But but what can never be denied is that Timrod
Speaker 5: Tim really provided a place in this space. But he
Speaker 5: at least a single with just bad Prisons. And the
Speaker 5: contract looked like you know how fact paper used to
Speaker 5: come out with perforated parts the side. That's what the
Speaker 5: contract looked like, right, And that's what the contract looks like.
Speaker 1: Next to paper bag.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I had to take it to my parents
Speaker 5: because I was too young myself, and I took it
Speaker 5: to my dad and my dad did like this. My
Speaker 5: dad just looked at it and went and that I
Speaker 5: didn't sign that, and then that was you know, that
Speaker 5: was that. But yeah, so I got found by a
Speaker 5: legit label, which was Chrysalis, and I got signed to them,
Speaker 5: which essentially got I think they got swallowed by EMI later. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but back then they were predominantly a rock label. But
Speaker 5: of course everybody was going around looking for the next
Speaker 5: best trend. Hip hop was the next best trend. I
Speaker 5: got found at a jam that I was participating in
Speaker 5: and offered a record deal there, and their contract didn't
Speaker 5: come off with fax paper with the perforated edges.
Speaker 1: Wait. Actually, speaking of Westwood shows, I found out Carol
Speaker 1: Lewis is still my agent twenty five years later, and
Speaker 1: she told, Wow, she told me something really hilarious last year,
Speaker 1: which was I didn't know about. So there's there's like
Speaker 1: a slew of second generation hip hoppers like rock Him,
Speaker 1: like Caine, Kaine not so much anymore, and Carris one
Speaker 1: that have a fear of flying, yes, and has never
Speaker 1: gotten on a plane.
Speaker 5: I know, Kristen, Kristen. When Chris come over to do shows,
Speaker 5: it would be like a month before he gets there.
Speaker 1: Right, so ye. Carol Lewis told me that in May,
Speaker 1: if she would book gigs for either Eric being Rock
Speaker 1: Him or BDP and at the time Kane, they would
Speaker 1: have to get on the Queen Mary for two weeks.
Speaker 1: It takes two weeks to get from New York. Damn. See,
Speaker 1: I was about to do it inappropriate Chris middle passage joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was hard for rappers so to get over there.
Speaker 1: So like, how how often? At what point was seeing
Speaker 1: American artists in the UK a normal thing and not
Speaker 1: just a novelty?
Speaker 5: Oh no, it became a normal thing put quickly, God
Speaker 5: bless him. I don't I don't know if you ever
Speaker 5: had an to meet this guy. But Dave Funking Clin,
Speaker 5: Dave Klin, Yeah, Dave Funking Clin, he was the main ambassador.
Speaker 5: Shows would be booked and he would bring artis over.
Speaker 5: He was the main ambassador US ambassador to bring. He
Speaker 5: bought over. I met my first American boyfriend through Dave
Speaker 5: Funking Clin. He bought over Latif for True Mathematics, Chill,
Speaker 5: Rob g and the for a Strigger shows in Camden Town.
Speaker 1: I'm gone to the Jungle Brothers.
Speaker 5: I went to the show and I met the Junger
Speaker 5: Brothers at ding Wolves, which was a club in Camden Town.
Speaker 5: Over by day Funk and Klimb and one of the
Speaker 5: Jungle Brothers, and I started dat Internet was Africa from
Speaker 5: the Jungle Brothers.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I'm gonna do my first conflict
Speaker 1: of Ventures comment right now. Okay, now this is my
Speaker 1: first Conflict.
Speaker 5: Adventures conflict of interest comment.
Speaker 1: Well, no, because Gracie told me something. Now here's the
Speaker 1: thing I forgot the yeah. Yeah, So the Jungle Brothers, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like everything to me and Tarik
Speaker 1: the second we saw them. Trek was like yo, everything
Speaker 1: we were going into to Banana Republic. We dressed it
Speaker 1: in all khakis and da da da da da, walking
Speaker 1: around with sticks and staffs and all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: we were like even before the zation all that shit,
Speaker 1: like we were Jungle Brothers heads first. So I was
Speaker 1: explaining to her that, you know, everything about Africa was
Speaker 1: so cool to us, like his ad lips and everything,
Speaker 1: and in our minds we thought that he was just
Speaker 1: like he just sounded like a really cool forty year
Speaker 1: old and Gracie was like he was the op. He
Speaker 1: was like a mama's boy, like he had to like
Speaker 1: get She's gonna kill me for saying this that you
Speaker 1: know that Like in my mind, I'm thinking like when
Speaker 1: Africa talks like he has a pipe or you know,
Speaker 1: smoking tobacco and like doing old grandpop shit, and She's like, no,
Speaker 1: like he had to get permission from his mom to
Speaker 1: come out and stay out late and all these things.
Speaker 1: And I just, in my that just totally ruined my
Speaker 1: perception because I can't imagine this this cool ass sounding
Speaker 1: dude like asking his mom permission to hang out on
Speaker 1: the weekends.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, right.
Speaker 1: So basically they're there, you're plug into what would become
Speaker 1: the connection.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, because what happened was personally, Africa and
Speaker 5: I started dating, and then professionally Africa was responsible for
Speaker 5: recording half of my album. Oh yeah. And then that
Speaker 5: is how I met where A deliberates his beats from
Speaker 5: and has uh you know, brainstorming sessions with where he
Speaker 5: gets his beats from. So that meant Juju from their.
Speaker 1: Beat from the beat Nuts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's how I met Juju. And then obviously
Speaker 5: that's how I met cut Tip also and Pass and
Speaker 5: and uh May. That's how all of that transpired.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I didn't hear that. You know, the beat
Speaker 1: Nuts are official or unofficial native tongues, but I know
Speaker 1: they did pretduction on your record. So basically absolutely was
Speaker 1: that the first time they did production.
Speaker 5: No, they are, they were beaten. Us were like the sauce,
Speaker 5: the creative beat sauce for Africa and and uh q
Speaker 5: Tip and this was all early.
Speaker 1: I would have ill records. You should use this, you
Speaker 1: should use this. We're not necessarily credited, but I get
Speaker 1: it now. Okay, I see.
Speaker 5: You're right saying you do. You're right in saying, oh
Speaker 5: my god, yeah, you do have to do a beating
Speaker 5: up because, oh my god, I cried my eyes out
Speaker 5: one time when Juju came and he didn't have my address.
Speaker 5: So when they when you get there and they ask you,
Speaker 5: what are you here for business? And he was here
Speaker 5: he said pleasure and they're like, where are you stay?
Speaker 5: And he's like, I don't know because he didn't have
Speaker 5: my address. Oh my god, and they searched him. Oh
Speaker 5: my god, and he called me and I was crying,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was horrible.
Speaker 1: And I was did they send him home? No?
Speaker 5: They luckily they didn't send him home, but he had to.
Speaker 5: They strip searched him. Oh my god, it was I.
Speaker 1: Was going to say that London, I've never Canada might
Speaker 1: be slightly I say, yeah, Canada, Yeah, Canada. Yeah, Canada's
Speaker 1: lacked up. I don't know if Canada has lacked up
Speaker 1: or is this the fact that people my age now
Speaker 1: are the authority figures? Right, So whoever's thirty and forty
Speaker 1: and fifty are now like, hey, quest love you guys
Speaker 1: do want to show here, which wasn't happening back then
Speaker 1: for ten years of my career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was awful. I'm not going to give you
Speaker 5: the whole thing. Please when you speak to Juju, just
Speaker 5: ask him. And to this day, I think maybe four
Speaker 5: days four days ago, I apologize to him again for
Speaker 5: the fifty millionth time on Instagram on one of my fiends.
Speaker 5: In some comments, I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 5: so sorry.
Speaker 1: Anal probe and rappers in the UK. Oh there's I mean,
Speaker 1: most rapped about it, most wrapped about it on his record.
Speaker 1: The shit happened to me. I know at least five
Speaker 1: others like yeah, yeah, I was, no doubt, no doubt upset.
Speaker 5: Talk to Juju about that when you talk to him.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: Everybody deserves twenty four hours of preparation before something.
Speaker 5: Oh my preparation is the wrong word to use. Oh
Speaker 5: my god.
Speaker 1: A classic Richard Nichols movement. Rich Rich told us the
Speaker 1: way that we remedy that seriously, we would go to
Speaker 1: the UK. Rich would just be like, don't don't wash
Speaker 1: your nuts or your ass for three days straight and
Speaker 1: they'll skip it. And sure enough, no, I'm dead serious,
Speaker 1: Like we would go on a Friday, I might not shower,
Speaker 1: you know, wear the same underwear or whatever. Nobody I'm
Speaker 1: serious like they would they would be. It was that's
Speaker 1: just very.
Speaker 7: Jack is an interesting sacrifice.
Speaker 4: This is a fascinating episode of Quesse. I'm dead serious
Speaker 4: ship that I've learned today.
Speaker 1: As racists, as racist as they are, they do not
Speaker 1: want to touch your black salty nuts. They don't want
Speaker 1: to search that bad. Hey.
Speaker 4: I never heard a better SoundBite by life than what
Speaker 4: I just heard in my ears.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is bad all right?
Speaker 1: So my iPhone is right next to me. Oh, he
Speaker 1: literally sirie google salty nuts. As racist as they are,
Speaker 1: they don't want to touch your black salty nuts.
Speaker 5: My god.
Speaker 1: And I'm turning the phone off. T shirts. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: turning my phone off, all right? So why am I.
Speaker 5: Thinking about South Park right now? Never mind?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, chock the salty balls. You know that song
Speaker 1: was number one in the UK because when he passed away,
Speaker 1: When he passed away, and I think it was either
Speaker 1: his New York Times obituary or whatever, like they were
Speaker 1: like and Hayes was enjoying a comeback of sorts. His
Speaker 1: his hit shot with salty was the top ten, was
Speaker 1: the top ten. I don't think he wants that as
Speaker 1: his legacy. Yeah, it was a little crazy, all right.
Speaker 1: Can I ask, is I know what you're going to say,
Speaker 1: so you might as well just pop the balloon and
Speaker 1: deflate it. Are our third generational, our third generational people
Speaker 1: like me and Fonte and Bill. Whatever are we making
Speaker 1: and romanticizing the myth of native tongues more than what
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean at its height? What was the environment like
Speaker 1: between nineteen eighty seven to eighty nine?
Speaker 5: It was a commune filled with creative waterfalls.
Speaker 7: That's a lot of sex. Well, a commune and waterfalls.
Speaker 7: You gotta put them.
Speaker 5: I said created but I said creative waterfall? You did?
Speaker 5: You did?
Speaker 1: But I was just reading between the lyrics. I wasn't
Speaker 1: going there.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I mean there was there were
Speaker 5: there were inter relationships, yes, okay, there were, there were
Speaker 5: definitely those, But it was just like it was like
Speaker 5: it was like my kids made. My youngest thought made.
Speaker 5: She has me watching Mixed Dish with her every time
Speaker 5: they clicked back to the old scenes of when they
Speaker 5: were on the commune or what have you, right right,
Speaker 5: the commune. Okay, it was like that. It was like that,
Speaker 5: So it wasn't fake. It's it's like the romanticizing that
Speaker 5: you envision it was real. It was a real thing.
Speaker 5: It really was real.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I asked you because you know, Dave and
Speaker 1: Pass will like roll their eyes like here it comes
Speaker 1: again with more. So, guys, what was it like when
Speaker 1: you guys discovered this breakfeat whatever?
Speaker 5: So David past first of all, because when we were
Speaker 5: in it, David Post were rolling the rise.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: When we were in it, David Post was rolling the rise.
Speaker 5: Because that's just that's just who they are, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. The beats here right, and David pasta.
Speaker 1: Like doing the opposite, you know, and that's.
Speaker 5: Just who they are. That's just that's just who they are,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. It was just so freaking
Speaker 5: like nothing was a problem, Like if everything was just
Speaker 5: so cool. I remember one night, Masio was one of
Speaker 5: the last people to leave them. Like because first of all,
Speaker 5: when I say commune, I really meet commune. And the
Speaker 5: place of the Commune's existence main office was Calliope Studios
Speaker 5: in Manhattan. Ah okay, everybody's sessions was in Colliopees. It
Speaker 5: doesn't matter if it was cute, if it was tribe,
Speaker 5: if it was Dayla, if it was jungle. If it
Speaker 5: was me, if it was Latifa, it didn't you know,
Speaker 5: if it was black sheet dress and law, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: It was always Calliope Studios. We were always in Calliope Studios.
Speaker 5: Calliope Studios was the everything. It doesn't matter whose session
Speaker 5: it was, we were always there. And it was always
Speaker 5: egg flu young Why I don't know.
Speaker 1: Because very convenient.
Speaker 5: Oh it was th like, oh it was never it
Speaker 5: was always needs food.
Speaker 1: All right, So obviously you guys are post Latin order,
Speaker 1: or at least what you represent. And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: like everyone that's been on the reason why they were
Speaker 1: joking at the top, I want to know what that's
Speaker 1: the thing again, I'm I'm a guy that romanticizes and
Speaker 1: fetishizes everything, the lore of whatever. So you know, I've
Speaker 1: heard many stories about the Latin Quarter. So you know,
Speaker 1: half our guests that have been on the show are
Speaker 1: you know, Latin Quarter luminaries. And so it almost became
Speaker 1: like the inside joke, like how long until a mere assay?
Speaker 1: But the thing I also didn't understand was that, like,
Speaker 1: why would somebody really want to risk their lives the
Speaker 1: way that I see it, Like you go to the
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter and you're either going to have the time
Speaker 1: of your life and here's something really mind blowing, or
Speaker 1: you know, you might get your chain snatched or you
Speaker 1: might get stab shot, killed, or hurt. And to me,
Speaker 1: that wasn't risky enough just to hear, you know, ELL's
Speaker 1: booming system for the first time played by Red Alert
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but maybe maybe maybe it's because you're generation why
Speaker 5: you feel that way, because yeah, that was real, and
Speaker 5: that was it, and that was a risk that we
Speaker 5: were prepared to take.
Speaker 1: That was the only place you could get it exactly.
Speaker 1: So what was by the time you came to the
Speaker 1: United States, and please explain that missing that playing back
Speaker 1: to London reference?
Speaker 5: Well, okay, missing the plane back to London reference. First
Speaker 5: of all, everybody was in the studio still I left.
Speaker 5: I was supposed to go back to for a few days.
Speaker 5: And the specific occasion I was supposed to go back
Speaker 5: to London for is Stevie Wonder's birthday party at Wembley Arena.
Speaker 5: Boy George not boy George George. Michael and I were
Speaker 5: supposed to seeing Happy Birthday to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, wow, Well, assuming there was nineteen.
Speaker 5: Ninety I missed, Yeah, it was I missed the plane.
Speaker 1: Whoa and wait wait you were damn for real?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I got back in a cab and
Speaker 5: I went back to Calliope and I went back session
Speaker 5: and they were doing doingthing and uh Africa and them
Speaker 5: was like, all right, you got you got eight, go
Speaker 5: do it. And that's exactly what I did.
Speaker 1: Wow. I never knew that reference.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, but I felt like I felt like shit,
Speaker 5: like I didn't. It was an achievement to go in
Speaker 5: and kick some rhymes. But those rhymes were real rhymes
Speaker 5: because I really I was like, I'm going to get
Speaker 5: in some people. Oh my god, like because I really
Speaker 5: did just miss the plane and I'm supposed to be
Speaker 5: at Wembley Arena in London for Stevie Wonder's Happy Birthday celebration.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you still regret it?
Speaker 5: I do regret it because I was I don't like
Speaker 5: not being where I'm supposed to be, and it was
Speaker 5: like giants, I was supposed to be on stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta you have you have an immortalized verse.
Speaker 5: So I do have an immortalized verse, but it's for me.
Speaker 5: It serves the purpose of reminding me that I fucked up.
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand. We go bro.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because it wasn't a real reason. It wasn't
Speaker 5: a real it wasn't a real reason for me to
Speaker 5: be late. It was some some vain ship. I left
Speaker 5: this particular top that I wanted to wear, and I
Speaker 5: made the bloody driver go back to the house so
Speaker 5: I could get it.
Speaker 1: For good fellas, I don't fly it out my hat.
Speaker 1: I don't fly it right, You're lucky. So what was
Speaker 1: the now? The one thing I don't know is post
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter? What was now? The night Life eighty nine,
Speaker 1: ninety ninety one, Like, what's where do you? What's your
Speaker 1: weekly schedule in terms of like we hang at this
Speaker 1: club at this night and the Night and.
Speaker 5: The World on Little thirty Street in the meat Market
Speaker 5: section of Manhattan, on the west side Little thirty Street. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the World. The World was a club that Paradise run
Speaker 5: the door to Paradise Okay, yeah really, And it had
Speaker 5: five floors and on the roof it was it was
Speaker 5: a floor, but it was open obviously because it was
Speaker 5: a roof, and they used to do barbecue up there.
Speaker 5: So there's a house floor, there's the hip hop, the
Speaker 5: reggae floor, there's a cool out floor and then there's
Speaker 5: a barbecue on the roof.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I do have a question again, your your
Speaker 1: your speaking voice, in your rhyming voice or night and
Speaker 1: day like at that period in your teens, were you
Speaker 1: code switching a little bit in.
Speaker 5: Terms of unintentionally yes. And the reason here's where the
Speaker 5: code switching happened. It didn't happen because of music. It
Speaker 5: happens because I was going to school at George Wingate
Speaker 5: High School in Brooklyn, which was metal Detectors and like
Speaker 5: Brooklyn's version of Joe Clark. And it was just I
Speaker 5: didn't want the attention that I was getting. I had
Speaker 5: a Tony Braxton haircut before Tony Braxton, Okay, when I
Speaker 5: was going to school in Brooklyn. It was like eighty six, right,
Speaker 5: and I cut all my hair off. It was super
Speaker 5: super short, but it was it wasn't just cut. It
Speaker 5: was cut into a style for a sixteen fifteen, sixteen
Speaker 5: year old girl to have her hair or cut off
Speaker 5: in a sleep out like that done yet in Brooklyn.
Speaker 5: I'm from England. I've got this crazy haircut. My style
Speaker 5: of dress is different, and I'm getting viewed and called exotic.
Speaker 5: I don't like that term.
Speaker 1: I don't so when people will walk up to you, like,
Speaker 1: just say something exactly, So, how did you what is
Speaker 1: your what is your Americanized New York?
Speaker 5: I studied, however spoke? I studied how everybody spoke?
Speaker 1: So how did you speak? Can you switch it? Right now?
Speaker 7: She goes in and out anyway?
Speaker 5: I do. I do come in and out anyway. We say,
Speaker 5: like to have me say something or say something to
Speaker 5: me that's gonna demand and answer and then I'll still
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: What what did you have for breakfast?
Speaker 5: In then?
Speaker 1: What did you say?
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait wait, wait, wait
Speaker 5: a minute. First of all, okay, wait first, first of all,
Speaker 5: I don't even understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: What you want your chop cheese?
Speaker 5: I don't eat know chop cheese. That's the Philly ship.
Speaker 1: No, it's not, that's New York.
Speaker 7: I don't even know.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good chop cheese is a New York Philly
Speaker 4: cheese steak.
Speaker 1: Never heard of that ship, neither Cameron made it famous.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's basically taking hamburger. It's making a hamburger,
Speaker 1: but then chopping up the Hamburger and putting on a
Speaker 1: hero role.
Speaker 5: That must be specifically some Harlem shit because it's.
Speaker 1: Chop Cheese got its fame around ninety seven, ninety eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on one hundred there's a spoint one hundred and tenth Street.
Speaker 1: It's at one point it was getting out of hand
Speaker 1: because like a lot of tourists were coming up there,
Speaker 1: like risking their lives in front of the projects to
Speaker 1: get the authentic Yes, the authentic chop cheese.
Speaker 5: It's a cheeseburger, a cheeseburger, cheese berger.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're dismissing it, making it sound like that,
Speaker 1: but it's okay.
Speaker 9: But for we never said we never said here I am,
Speaker 9: and this is it and this is what this is
Speaker 9: what it sounds like. And I used to go on
Speaker 9: Emphire and get either a blimpy sandwich or the Wendy.
Speaker 1: Is this fucking person?
Speaker 5: Person?
Speaker 1: Do you ever want your kids with that voice?
Speaker 4: Because that's like the next level ship when when yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: angry McFee.
Speaker 5: Yeah, angry McPhee is right, it's straight brit I can't
Speaker 5: even when I'm talking to them and it gets there.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's what that's that's the switching. And that's
Speaker 5: the studying that I did. I study how everybody else
Speaker 5: spoke like, you won't come, you won't come, get something
Speaker 5: to eat, You gon eat the school lunch. Now I
Speaker 5: don't want the school lunch. I'll come with you. Where
Speaker 5: we go in we go to white Where we go
Speaker 5: with the White Castle.
Speaker 1: Oh all right, mooney, you know this question is coming, alright.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, you know it's coming, Okay, like it is
Speaker 5: a part of this too. I'm just I'm gonna just
Speaker 5: go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we ain't even talking about Jesus. Okay, nah, okay,
Speaker 1: Oh wait, actually have to build up to it because
Speaker 1: we're still needed tongues. Fuck it, I'm going right to it.
Speaker 1: No built up, Yeah, no, built up.
Speaker 7: Let's see, we'll.
Speaker 1: Can you Well. I don't want you to tell the
Speaker 1: Big Daddy King story. However, I would like you to
Speaker 1: tell me what hip hop touring was like during that
Speaker 1: time period because and the reason why I really want
Speaker 1: to know is because I didn't realize that my group
Speaker 1: sort of set a precedent that I didn't realize wasn't
Speaker 1: the norm. Now. You know, you talked about you talked
Speaker 1: about jay Z's penchant. Uh, for the finer things whatever.
Speaker 1: But Tarik is very much the same way in you know,
Speaker 1: in his clothes and whatever. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: just we thought, or at least I thought it was
Speaker 1: some normal ship to be staying at a four seasons hotel,
Speaker 1: hell and these deluxe tour buses and all this shit.
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize that was basically Turk demanding the rich, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I want to travel and comfort if I got to
Speaker 1: be on the road.
Speaker 5: Three Wait a minute, right, So by the time I
Speaker 5: met you guys, that's what the fuck you guys are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but wait, here's the deal. Here's the deal.
Speaker 1: It took care to tell me. No, mere See, the
Speaker 1: problem is, you guys get hotels every night. Everyone gets
Speaker 1: their own suite every night, one to a room. You
Speaker 1: guys spend money. She got story, thousands of dollars. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that the way that bands really do it
Speaker 1: is that if there's a show that night, they all
Speaker 1: shower at the venue, they sleep on the tour bus,
Speaker 1: and only on days off they might get a day
Speaker 1: room at a holiday inn or Sheridan. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a disapperiod where it's like, yo, man, where's.
Speaker 5: Our money break down. Okay, there's there's an area. There's
Speaker 5: an area in between what you're saying you guys were
Speaker 5: doing and what you just described, because I wasn't doing
Speaker 5: no showering and there's no day room ship with no
Speaker 5: I wasn't no no, no, no, no no, I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't. There's I am very much a British girl, okay,
Speaker 5: and I will that.
Speaker 7: With a crest on your pocket. Would a crest on
Speaker 7: your pocket exactly?
Speaker 5: But what it was it was when I say middle
Speaker 5: of the road in between what you describe both things
Speaker 5: that you described is, yes, we did. We would ride
Speaker 5: the toil there's during the night, so we would be
Speaker 5: in out since we would pull up not at a hotel.
Speaker 5: We would pull up firstly at the venue. By the
Speaker 5: time we pull up to a venue, the sound guys
Speaker 5: and stage guys they'd all be in there. Ship would
Speaker 5: have already been put up. We get in there, we
Speaker 5: do sound check first, then we get back in a
Speaker 5: bus and roll over to wherever the hotel is. Now
Speaker 5: the hotels would be your modern day. What they've turned
Speaker 5: them into is all these nice, these nice holiday in
Speaker 5: the type ones that have like the many apartments in
Speaker 5: the kitchen businesses. Yeah, that's today, that's what they are
Speaker 5: back then, good times. Bathroom very basic, two beds, two beds,
Speaker 5: full beds or twin beds. Bathroom very basic, right, And
Speaker 5: you know, now when I look at it, I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh I would not. But back then, man, when you
Speaker 5: when you're drunken, you want to lay down, oh my god,
Speaker 5: it's like yes please. Yeah, So that's what it was.
Speaker 5: They weren't. They were probably like two stars, three stars,
Speaker 5: two stars, so.
Speaker 1: Slightly above a Super eight. Who would be on tour
Speaker 1: around these times?
Speaker 5: Okay, best tour that I was ever on. Give you
Speaker 5: an example of who would be on these types of tours.
Speaker 5: And the interesting thing about the tours was they were
Speaker 5: also interchangeable what territories you go to. So, for instance,
Speaker 5: the tour was the Big Daddy Kane Tour, right, Big
Speaker 5: Daddy Kane, Headlines, Digital Underground, Queen Latifa, and Third Base.
Speaker 5: Those are the base groups Big Daddy Kane, Digital Underground,
Speaker 5: Third Base, Queen Latifa. At that time, I was a
Speaker 5: part of Queen Latita's camp because she Ladies First was
Speaker 5: apart very much a part of her show, and so
Speaker 5: I was on that entire tour. So those are the
Speaker 5: base groups always, right, So that's the base of your sandwich.
Speaker 5: Put it that way. But depending on what territories you
Speaker 5: go to, they would add this that would be EPM D.
Speaker 5: Or they would add some tomatoes which would be uh
Speaker 5: too sure, you know what I'm saying. So that's what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. It was like, and I'm using the sandwich
Speaker 5: analogy because it's like, depending on where you go, different
Speaker 5: ingredients are added to the show.
Speaker 7: But still a hamburger.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they were and they were fun
Speaker 5: and it was interesting because I learned how to do
Speaker 5: the humpty hump while I was on that tour, and
Speaker 5: this time he taught me how to do humpty hump.
Speaker 1: What was his job in Digital Underground during that period.
Speaker 5: He was a roadie and a dancer. Wow okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: And he figured that me and him were the same
Speaker 5: because he was a part of Digital Underground crew and
Speaker 5: I was a part of Latifa's crew, so he kind
Speaker 5: of figured we were the same. I tried to assure
Speaker 5: him that I had a much more president position than
Speaker 5: because I was actually rhyming on a song her say,
Speaker 5: oh you.
Speaker 1: And me are kind of the same, right, Nah, yeah.
Speaker 5: He was, he was. Yeah, he was trying to do that.
Speaker 5: We know we're the same. And I was trying to
Speaker 5: tell him, no, one of these kids is doing his
Speaker 5: own thing, like you sets me street mofo go away.
Speaker 5: You had so you hadn't heard him rhyme at all
Speaker 5: before I did, because he made sure too. He walked
Speaker 5: around with a he walked around with a book of
Speaker 5: He never let that finger, he never let that thing goer.
Speaker 5: He walked around with that he was pestering. I joined
Speaker 5: the tour maybe two shows in because I went to
Speaker 5: Canada to see my mother first, because my mother lives
Speaker 5: in Toronto, so I went there first, and then I
Speaker 5: picked up the tour from Toronto. While I was still
Speaker 5: at my mother's house, this guy makes Kika and Allison,
Speaker 5: who were Latifa's two dancers, get on their phone to
Speaker 5: call me up to ask me when are you coming?
Speaker 5: You supposed to They're like, cause you please get her
Speaker 5: already because this Tupac guy is getting on our nerves.
Speaker 5: He wants to meet you. He's really annoying, and so
Speaker 5: where are you coming? And I'm like, who is this
Speaker 5: weirdo that you guys are too, and I'm hearing him
Speaker 5: in the background like why is she coming. I'm like,
Speaker 5: don't put him on the phone with me. I don't
Speaker 5: know him, Like who is this weirdo anyway? And They're
Speaker 5: like he's part of digital Underground. I'm like, okay, well, guys,
Speaker 5: when I get there in two days time, but no,
Speaker 5: I don't want nobody I don't know, but like by
Speaker 5: and so when I get there, he's all like a
Speaker 5: kid in a candy store to meet me. And what
Speaker 5: it was was I have never met a bigger sand
Speaker 5: of hip hop period than that man. Like Wow, Tupac
Speaker 5: is the most enthusiastic, biggest sand of everything authentic in
Speaker 5: this culture. So that's where all the excitement was coming from,
Speaker 5: you know, back then. But you know, I'm the British girl.
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit reserved and I'm kind of like, okay,
Speaker 5: like you're you sit down, You're just too much. We
Speaker 5: ended up being really good friends. It's funny because misconception
Speaker 5: on somebod on an interview that I did while back,
Speaker 5: where I said, yeah, we slept together, And it's funny
Speaker 5: because it's like the misconception was uh slept together being
Speaker 5: taken for more than a way exactly, because yeah, we did.
Speaker 5: We did sleep together because Alison and I, uh one
Speaker 5: of last season zisters and I we shared a room
Speaker 5: and Parc shared a room with Shock G. But if
Speaker 5: shot G had.
Speaker 3: A right, had more than Park because who was Park
Speaker 3: at the time.
Speaker 5: Exactly, And if that happened, Pop would come to our
Speaker 5: room and he would sleep Me and him would sleep
Speaker 5: in the same bed. And that's what that was when
Speaker 5: we saying, you know, we said because we were like
Speaker 5: the three Stooges, you know, three of us were always together.
Speaker 5: And as a matter of fact, we even had packed
Speaker 5: that in those hotels at the time, those two three
Speaker 5: star joints whatever, they would have the buffet breakfast every morning,
Speaker 5: but it happens exactly at six o'clock. A wee get
Speaker 5: on there soon after six o'clock to leave to go
Speaker 5: to the next town. If you weren't downstairs up ready,
Speaker 5: bright eyed, bushytailed, then in that room for six o'clock
Speaker 5: when that breakfast spread is put out, you're gonna miss it.
Speaker 5: And all of those places used to have the pancake special.
Speaker 5: We had a packed that we would always wake each
Speaker 5: other up to make sure that we don't miss the
Speaker 5: pancake special, right, I forgot to wake pack up one morning.
Speaker 5: He missed the pancake special, and he stopped speaking to
Speaker 5: me for two weeks of the tour. He was very
Speaker 5: petty pancake. He stopped speaking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's justifiable. Yeah, let's just he stopped.
Speaker 5: He stopped speaking to me. He he also hid the
Speaker 5: tabasco that I used to walk around with to put
Speaker 5: on my corn beef. How she hid it?
Speaker 1: Your own personal tabasco collection memory? Yes, I see. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: the moany in the middle story. Can we can we.
Speaker 6: Get clarification because what what is the big Daddy Kane
Speaker 6: story that you mentioned?
Speaker 1: This is the money in.
Speaker 6: The middle story and the moaning middle story of.
Speaker 7: The build up. This is the build up that he
Speaker 7: was talking.
Speaker 1: About, Like in my mind based on the video. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought the past point Dexter character was just some
Speaker 1: Steve Erkle dweeb. And I didn't know that it was
Speaker 1: a taste of chocolate. So okay, but I do know
Speaker 1: what even though stories, even though I know this story,
Speaker 1: and I know that you know a lot of my
Speaker 1: generation male rappers have fragile, a fragile egos when it
Speaker 1: comes to get rejected. I have to give him a
Speaker 1: little bit of points for coming up with the most passive,
Speaker 1: aggressive way to figure out if you were into him
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 5: And that's what I give him props for. To listen,
Speaker 5: from beginning, from beginning to end, you must understand that
Speaker 5: Big Daddy Kane is absolutely the number one student of Dolomite. Okay,
Speaker 5: he is the number one student of Dolomite. Big Daddy
Speaker 5: Kane does not play himself. I need you to understand this.
Speaker 5: Big Daddy Kane does not put him put himself in
Speaker 5: a position where he can be viewed as playing himself.
Speaker 5: It just does not happen.
Speaker 7: That's why they love you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So talk about the system.
Speaker 5: The system. This is the McDonald's system that Big Daddy
Speaker 5: Kane came up with, Okay, in order to understand whether
Speaker 5: I liked him in that way or not. Okay, is
Speaker 5: this real life?
Speaker 7: You're saying? Real life?
Speaker 1: Y'all? Yes, we're officially hearing the Money in the Middle story.
Speaker 5: This is the story that inspired Middle.
Speaker 1: But there's some crazy ship.
Speaker 5: I've told you this you okay, all right, So we're
Speaker 5: we're in d C. I can't remember the name of
Speaker 5: the hotel. But there's this one specific hotel that everybody
Speaker 5: whenever you go to d C, it was, that's the one.
Speaker 1: I only know this because old Daddy Bastard once crashed
Speaker 1: the car into one.
Speaker 5: Of the because I remember, Yes, that's the same, Yes,
Speaker 5: it's the same hotel. Do you know?
Speaker 1: All right, Fronte, you got to know this days in
Speaker 1: when when you're going to d C. Well you too,
Speaker 1: you know that days in check.
Speaker 7: It's a whole strip of hotels everybody using.
Speaker 1: Yes, but every rapper stays when they first start. Now
Speaker 1: in that days in all right lutely.
Speaker 5: So I attracted I don't know, the ladies first, and
Speaker 5: the whole nine yards and the vibe that it gives
Speaker 5: us a lot of women, a lot of girls on
Speaker 5: the sister Girl girls, sister power. You know. I attracted
Speaker 5: a lot of girls. And all the girl and all
Speaker 5: the girls had cars. All the girls had cars. So
Speaker 5: the guys that were all in whose room were they in?
Speaker 5: They were in Cane's room. Latifa was in there too.
Speaker 5: They were playing steel and they were stealing everybody's per
Speaker 5: diem money. Damn yeah, And so everybody get hungry. I
Speaker 5: was with I was actually dating. No, I wasn't dating
Speaker 5: him yet, but I liked him. Uh, scrap lover one
Speaker 5: of one of the big day Knees dances. Okay, but
Speaker 5: he didn't know it yet. I didn't say anything. I
Speaker 5: just peeped him. I thought he was cute whatever. So anyway,
Speaker 5: they come to me, Scuba Scrap come to me and
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, everybody in the room wants to see
Speaker 5: if they could get something to eat. Do you think
Speaker 5: one of your girlfriends would A couple of them would
Speaker 5: drive us over to the McDonald's. There was a McDonald's
Speaker 5: close by, so I was like, I'll ask, and I
Speaker 5: asked a couple of the girls. They're like, yeah, money
Speaker 5: will do anything for you. We'll drive over to the
Speaker 5: Who do you need us to take? So three cars
Speaker 5: when we had three cars for three different girls going
Speaker 5: over to the McDonald So scuper Scrap was getting everybody's orders.
Speaker 5: So we get to the McDonald's, we're standing online and
Speaker 5: then Scrap Bother turns to me and says, all right,
Speaker 5: this is how this is gonna go. Cain wants to
Speaker 5: know if you like him. It's what's gonna happen If
Speaker 5: you do, you walk in. You hold his food when
Speaker 5: we get back, and you hand it to him, and
Speaker 5: that way he'll know, yes, you do like him. If not,
Speaker 5: then I'll just give him his food regular just myself.
Speaker 1: Place it on the night stand or on the far
Speaker 1: table right.
Speaker 5: So then so then to Scrap, well, it looks like
Speaker 5: you're going to be giving him his food. And he
Speaker 5: was like why, and I was like, because I like you.
Speaker 1: So just just so we know, this is this is
Speaker 1: this is the Black Serrano diversi act stories of which
Speaker 1: Kane ask Sereno diversi act is telling his boy give
Speaker 1: her instructions on how let her know if it's on
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, it's like fist grade. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like scrap and Scrap says he Scrap says.
Speaker 1: It looked like I'm gonna be giving him back tonight. Wait,
Speaker 1: what was Scrap throwing off? Did he know that you
Speaker 1: dug him?
Speaker 5: He didn't?
Speaker 7: Did he give him the bad he gave?
Speaker 5: He gave Kanu's food and then and then you know,
Speaker 5: he gave Kanu's food and then came you know, Caine
Speaker 5: didn't make no face or nothing like that. It just
Speaker 5: was what it was.
Speaker 1: That that to me, is that yeah, that that's the
Speaker 1: next level of yes no, or maybe.
Speaker 5: It is like the little note that you send.
Speaker 1: But it was a quarter founder or not? Wow, what
Speaker 1: inspired you to make a song about it?
Speaker 5: Don't no, I have no idea why. I it started
Speaker 5: talking to me when I started hearing the beat, because
Speaker 5: of course Monium Noddle was produced by the Faiyan Cannibals
Speaker 5: by Andy Cocks and David Steele. And when I heard
Speaker 5: it was the runaway breakbeat. Correct, Yeah, So when I'm
Speaker 5: listening to it, it just started talking to me, and
Speaker 5: I just started replaying that whole DC night in my head,
Speaker 5: and I was like, I was in the middle. I
Speaker 5: was in the middle.
Speaker 1: I was definitely in the Actually wait, wait, I gotta
Speaker 1: correct myself. And only only because Sheila Sheila E corrected
Speaker 1: me on this is that we call that. We call
Speaker 1: that drum track the runaway break, But we only found
Speaker 1: out that because of the way that they rhythmically segued
Speaker 1: that album Runaways technically the last thing said on the
Speaker 1: song before. But because it's in rhythm, every DJ that
Speaker 1: spends that break thinks that it is the top of
Speaker 1: the break, when actually it's just ending the song before it,
Speaker 1: and then the breakbeat starts and it's if I could
Speaker 1: start my life over things you learn? Right? Yeah? No, no, no.
Speaker 1: For the longest told me, well no, like every every
Speaker 1: producer is like saying it wrong because it's the song
Speaker 1: before and then if I had to start my life
Speaker 1: over is actually the name of the you know is
Speaker 1: wow break so so so you went so to be clear,
Speaker 1: so you went scrap ended up dating later? Did y'all
Speaker 1: got with dating? And you kane never dating? Okay? Gotcha?
Speaker 7: And mo was your birth control?
Speaker 3: Because it's funny because I would have never known how
Speaker 3: hard money in the Middle actually is to perform until
Speaker 3: I actually did it one day for your birthday. But
Speaker 3: your breath control is kind of crazy. Was it always
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 5: Or did? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It sounds like control.
Speaker 4: To make sure I was one, I was like, this
Speaker 4: is I know.
Speaker 5: Her birth control?
Speaker 7: Her birth control wasn't crazy?
Speaker 5: I know. No, my birth introl sucks?
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Time out Yeah all right. Wait, we should also clarify
Speaker 1: that the lyrical the lyrical complexity of that song, which
Speaker 1: I believe you're talking about the hook is two people.
Speaker 1: And this is also a good time to bring Lashawan absolutely,
Speaker 1: so wait I always wanted to know because I never
Speaker 1: got to talk to Lashawan. And of course Lashawan is
Speaker 1: the voice of ellll Is doing it absolutely and Shana
Speaker 1: of Biddies in the BK Lounge, the woman of a
Speaker 1: billion voices and the original doing it well. On what
Speaker 1: role was she in this native tongue universe because we
Speaker 1: first heard her on Biddy's in the b K Lounge
Speaker 1: and eventually on Mooney in the Middle, and she went
Speaker 1: under the name I'm and Joy was she eventually?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Who was she the protege of? And how she started
Speaker 1: hanging around?
Speaker 5: She's an MC in her own right. And I don't
Speaker 5: know how she met the Jungle Brothers, but I met
Speaker 5: her because I was date in Africa and she was
Speaker 5: actually dating Sammy b and she and t have a
Speaker 5: son together. Her first child is Sammy Beat okay. And
Speaker 5: so I was fresh from England and she wanted people
Speaker 5: the women that I met when I came here to
Speaker 5: this country as Africa's girlfriend, you know, Africa's girlfriend who
Speaker 5: has a record deal, who he's producing the rest of
Speaker 5: her album. And she's one of the first women that
Speaker 5: I met, and she and I became sisters real quick.
Speaker 5: She's Brownsville, Brooklyn girl. She don't play.
Speaker 1: By that voice. I can tell it.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: Were there immediate plans to like get her a deal
Speaker 1: or she?
Speaker 5: Oh? No, she was. She was an artist in her
Speaker 5: own right. She had the deal. She was signed to
Speaker 5: Wild Pitch the original doing it right.
Speaker 1: But as I'm enjoyed, did she ever get no?
Speaker 5: No? No. She was signed as Alma Joy. That's her
Speaker 5: artist's name. Her real name is Lashawan. She was signed
Speaker 5: for Wild Pitch as Almond Joy doing it well, God
Speaker 5: flips on.
Speaker 1: I totally what's the name of the song on the
Speaker 1: B side?
Speaker 5: Totally awesome?
Speaker 1: Okay, I see so okay. In doing Ladies First, which
Speaker 1: you know has has gone down in history, how did
Speaker 1: that collaboration come to be?
Speaker 5: Well? Number one, I told you that Dave Funking client
Speaker 5: bought True Mathematics younger brothers ChIL Rubg and Queen Latifa
Speaker 5: to England and they did a stream of shows and
Speaker 5: they were at Camden and that's where I met them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, after that they had they drove over to England
Speaker 5: on a tour bus that they picked up in Germany
Speaker 5: and it was a German bus driver. And he couldn't
Speaker 5: make heads and tails of the UK maps to be
Speaker 5: able to get from A to B to their next shows.
Speaker 5: So funking client asked me, would I mind riding the
Speaker 5: bus with them getting the maps out, sitting next to
Speaker 5: the bus driver to help me, which is why in
Speaker 5: the documentary that you did quest And when Shaquin was
Speaker 5: talking he said money was kind of like a tour guide.
Speaker 5: He's right. I was like a road manager at that
Speaker 5: young age because I got the maps out. I was
Speaker 5: sitting at the front of the bus with the bus
Speaker 5: with the German. I was the GBS the original original series.
Speaker 5: And from doing that we wound it up, and we
Speaker 5: wound up excuse me. In Bristol one night they had
Speaker 5: a show. It was on a barge. So it was
Speaker 5: do you guys know what I mean when I say
Speaker 5: barge right, it was like a house boat club, like
Speaker 5: a club on a houseboat right on the river Virgin
Speaker 5: And okay, and so Latifa and I was in were
Speaker 5: in the back. She was waiting like a little green
Speaker 5: room or what you know, if you may, and she
Speaker 5: and I were talking and she was like, you know,
Speaker 5: I heard you rhyme. You know I'm saying let me
Speaker 5: hear it or something, and I gave her a looks up.
Speaker 5: She's like, that's dope. Sound together. We didn't ladies first
Speaker 5: until maybe six seven months after that convers but that
Speaker 5: was the night in Bristol or on a barge that
Speaker 5: Latif and I had the conversation about doing a song together.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the uh, the the allure of native tongues.
Speaker 1: When do you officially, when do you officially feel like
Speaker 1: the movement that was once the native tongues is over? Now?
Speaker 5: I still don't feel like that. Oh okay, yeah, maybe
Speaker 5: that's just me. I still don't feel like that. I
Speaker 5: don't feel like that. I think we're I think we
Speaker 5: are in the midst of the strangest and longest hiatus ever.
Speaker 1: Okay, how but there was a period where it got
Speaker 1: awkward awkward.
Speaker 5: But no, no, that's a good word. No no, no,
Speaker 5: keep that it's a good word awkward.
Speaker 1: And since and since you're my closest connection to Africa,
Speaker 1: and since I just paid about fifty bucks for that
Speaker 1: freaking record. Uh, they just re released the original Crazy
Speaker 1: Wisdom Masters, which is really not that different. They okay,
Speaker 1: so the third album after done by the Forces of
Speaker 1: Naister was called crazy Wisdom Masters, and so I guess
Speaker 1: the way that the story went was that by the
Speaker 1: time that Benny Medina had really come at the Helm
Speaker 1: of Warner Brothers, he was like, nah, it ain't happening right.
Speaker 1: He sent the record back and then they made a
Speaker 1: crazier record.
Speaker 5: Which was I just I don't understand Africa. No, no,
Speaker 5: I don't understand him.
Speaker 1: Wait he was you were on warners.
Speaker 5: I just yeah, but you would you would think that
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. I just I guess
Speaker 5: I can't meet people and and have such close ties
Speaker 5: with people and and have so much involvement with people
Speaker 5: and then just completely drop them afterwards. I don't know
Speaker 5: how to do that. He knows how to do that
Speaker 5: very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Did you even know that he was my oldest child's
Speaker 5: god and he forced himself to be like he really
Speaker 5: made it a big deal to be like I want
Speaker 5: to be her golf Like why because it's like years later.
Speaker 7: She doesn't even know him.
Speaker 5: He no, oh wow, Yeah, it's an interesting dude. But anyway,
Speaker 5: you were saying.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I it just hit me now that he
Speaker 1: was also I guess assuming that he was head of
Speaker 1: your division as well. It's so weird because if I
Speaker 1: could mark the sort of weird point of Warner Brothers,
Speaker 1: at least with Kane's career, with Prince's career.
Speaker 5: Also he also he also or frustrated that whole Peter,
Speaker 5: that whole Prince thing with me.
Speaker 1: Right when he came aboard, things got a little different.
Speaker 1: Now I'm personally cool with him.
Speaker 6: But Na when she know whack that was like Warner
Speaker 6: if you just I you were a DJ, if you
Speaker 6: saw a Warner brother sticker and you knew it was
Speaker 6: some bullshit off rip, you was like, nah, it's wanted
Speaker 6: this ship whack right, and.
Speaker 1: Ah, so yeah, I was going to ask what was
Speaker 1: it like being under that, Like did you did you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with Moe Austin at the time or
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't. My relationship was Peter Edge, Benny Mezina time out.
Speaker 1: Peter Edge was at Warner too, Pizza.
Speaker 5: Edge, I'll do better than at Wanna. Pizza Edge came
Speaker 5: from England to the United States to Warner Brothers, made
Speaker 5: that transition during my first album. During my transition, Pizza
Speaker 5: Edge was my an r at Chrysalis, cool.
Speaker 1: Tempo okay, yeah, so exactly.
Speaker 5: So Peter Edge came from there with me. It was
Speaker 5: like the trinity. It was like my liver, Puddle and manager,
Speaker 5: Steve Finnan and Peter Edge. Three of us came from
Speaker 5: England to the United States.
Speaker 1: Peter Man like God, the there was a night where
Speaker 1: listen a mayor.
Speaker 5: I gave him so much ship. I gave him so
Speaker 5: much ship about that Prince thing. I didn't want to
Speaker 5: do it. I was annoyed. I was like, what does
Speaker 5: this have to do with hip hop? I gave Peter
Speaker 5: Ridge so much ship and he was so smart, he
Speaker 5: was just so smart with it. And I just the
Speaker 5: plane ride, the plane ride to Minneapolis, I was being
Speaker 5: a bitch. I don't want to be here. I don't
Speaker 5: want to be on this plane. Why am I going
Speaker 5: to Minneapolis? What does Paisley have to do with hip hop?
Speaker 3: And I didn't prince at all, like you know, no,
Speaker 3: not even with his legacy.
Speaker 5: And I loved his I loved him for him, But
Speaker 5: you said I could not understand the mass.
Speaker 1: You're afraid of your credibility of doing something? Absolutely yeah,
Speaker 1: And the thing was from for me.
Speaker 6: It's just so interesting to hear the way you talk
Speaker 6: about the money, because to me, in a word or two,
Speaker 6: is the only time that Prince ever got hip hop
Speaker 6: halfway right, Like like, you know, I loved that song,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Like, I loved that song,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And I thought I always
Speaker 6: thought it was very unique. How you you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Were the MC were the only time that
Speaker 6: Prince ever got hip hop right because all the rest
Speaker 6: of that ship, when you tried to do some rap shit,
Speaker 6: that Gold Nigga album and all that shit, no.
Speaker 1: No, But in a word or two, I love that song.
Speaker 1: I was like, what was it like? And how long
Speaker 1: did you stay at Paisley Park?
Speaker 5: Oh? My god, I was there forever he had. He
Speaker 5: made a comment for my husband at the time, he
Speaker 5: made accommendations for my brand new baby, which is Charlene.
Speaker 5: At the time, he was like, whatever it is going
Speaker 5: to be to keep her happy, for her to be
Speaker 5: here for a long period of time to work, That's
Speaker 5: where I'm going to have her. And even to the
Speaker 5: point where he had shows to do at Earl's Court
Speaker 5: in England. So I thought we were going to break
Speaker 5: and we were going to get to go back to
Speaker 5: New York for a little while. Nope, he made He
Speaker 5: pulled me and my husband and my brand new baby
Speaker 5: to England also for the duration of his shows in England. Also, wow,
Speaker 5: the same hotel.
Speaker 1: Was the prime purpose to strictly write for Carmen or
Speaker 1: was it like, Okay, I'll do Carmen's album and I'll
Speaker 1: do your record as well.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what it was. Because See the thing is
Speaker 5: when Peter rech first sat me down and told me
Speaker 5: the whole thing. You know, he wants you to write
Speaker 5: for Carmen Electure, I was like, all right, cool, but
Speaker 5: then it was like, and he's going to do a
Speaker 5: certain amount of songs on your album. That's when I
Speaker 5: was like, nahna that that's what I was like, why, why,
Speaker 5: why can't I just do that?
Speaker 1: All right? So my first visit to Paisley Park one
Speaker 1: of the most shocking things that I discovered. I went
Speaker 1: to his office is connected to like Studio A, and
Speaker 1: you know, while Fimi Jay I was sort of looking
Speaker 1: the other way, I snuck on Prince's office just to
Speaker 1: look at his record collection and see like what was
Speaker 1: into So I saw a CD player and I was
Speaker 1: shocked that Midnight Marauders was in it.
Speaker 5: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, Prince listen to tribe. That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: What was his IQ into? As far as like hip
Speaker 1: I was concerned how much did he know about you?
Speaker 1: How much did he know about all those things?
Speaker 5: He did not talk to me about native tongues, He
Speaker 5: did not talk to me about hip hop period that
Speaker 5: he knew everything about me. He knew the songs that
Speaker 5: I had released prior to coming to America, prior to
Speaker 5: coming prior to being signed to because he knew my
Speaker 5: cool tempo. Shit, you know what I'm saying. He knew that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he knew that ship. He even knew he even knew
Speaker 5: my Just Bad Productions release.
Speaker 3: As we remind our younger listening audience that the Internet
Speaker 3: was not around at the time, So this is a
Speaker 3: big deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knew. He knew about me enough
Speaker 5: to be able to It wasn't just It really wasn't
Speaker 5: a cold working environment. It was going to be a
Speaker 5: teachable moment for you. Momy these weeks that your hair
Speaker 5: is going to be a teachable moment for you. Learn
Speaker 5: I learned. I learned to stop fighting fighting creativity because
Speaker 5: that entire experience with Prince was just a damn flusit
Speaker 5: flowing of creativity that I was fighting because of a
Speaker 5: general pig headed bias of non hip hop and I
Speaker 5: gotta stay hip hop and I can't. I can't get
Speaker 5: involved in any other type of influence of music to
Speaker 5: interfere with my hip hop. Prince taught me to relax.
Speaker 5: Something you are the hip hop. Whatever you do is
Speaker 5: going to be the core of what you want to express,
Speaker 5: but allow some of the other sources to flow through
Speaker 5: you because it's going to make you grow on a
Speaker 5: creative level.
Speaker 1: Exactly was there any fear or in trepidation in your
Speaker 1: husband at the time in his mind that Prince was
Speaker 1: just trying to groom you to being a long line
Speaker 1: of muse slash Prince Johns.
Speaker 5: No, because I was too fat. I just had a baby,
Speaker 5: right I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, yeah, I think the baby might have
Speaker 1: saved you.
Speaker 5: You know. I mean although although listen to this, though
Speaker 5: he was with my Tay at the time, and he
Speaker 5: this was prior to them their their child, you know. Blessed,
Speaker 5: Blessed the little angel in heaven.
Speaker 1: In fact, his name was a mirror Wow.
Speaker 10: Wow Wow, and and he had a fascination with babies
Speaker 10: because he had me bring her to a show one
Speaker 10: of the shows that he did in Earth's Court when
Speaker 10: I had to go to England when he was doing
Speaker 10: shows at Earth's Court.
Speaker 5: And I went to the show and I had her
Speaker 5: in my arms and during the middle of during an
Speaker 5: eight bar break in it, oh sexy, sexy, m f right,
Speaker 5: he came to the side of the stage and was like,
Speaker 5: go do eight bars right now. I'm like what, I
Speaker 5: had the baby in my arms. He was like, give
Speaker 5: me the baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, yes, that's crazy, and.
Speaker 5: He said give me the baby. So I handed him Charlena.
Speaker 5: So he's standing at the side of the stage with
Speaker 5: Charlene and he's like, go ahead, go do eight bars.
Speaker 5: So I went out. I went out there, I totally
Speaker 5: blacked out did eight bars because it was shocked and
Speaker 5: it was fair and it was just like, I went
Speaker 5: I did the eight bars, I came back off, he
Speaker 5: handed me the baby. He ran back out and continued.
Speaker 5: And these are the things that he taught. He really
Speaker 5: encouraged me to conquer any fears that I may have had,
Speaker 5: whether it be in performing or whether it be in creating,
Speaker 5: and pancakes are a real thing. Pancakes are a real thing.
Speaker 5: That pancakes are a real thing. Yes, yes, he made
Speaker 5: me the pancakes dressed as Prince I don't wear.
Speaker 4: Everything comes down to pan cakes in this particular episode fantastic.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was really it was. It was
Speaker 5: so strange, but but I didn't realize. I didn't make
Speaker 5: the connection until years later when I was watching the
Speaker 5: Chappelle Show m hm, and then I was like, and
Speaker 5: then I was like, holy ship, he does this pancake ship?
Speaker 1: He does that?
Speaker 3: Does this mean most that you were actually in the
Speaker 3: studio with Carmen Electra, like you had.
Speaker 1: To, dude. She wrote everything go all this ship?
Speaker 7: So what is that like?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: Because this is the first.
Speaker 1: Time I want to ask about all that.
Speaker 7: Now because no, we there, We're there there.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So for those who don't know, in one
Speaker 1: of these strangest what was what was the old boy's
Speaker 1: name that Jane Finder used to be married to? Wasn't
Speaker 1: he would like colorize all his classics? Yeah? And right,
Speaker 1: So for Prince fans, he took the Adore reels and
Speaker 1: redid a door with Carmen called all that and yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't go down to too well. But what was
Speaker 1: it like working with Karma Karma Carmen at the time period?
Speaker 1: I mean you you basically built her, You built it was.
Speaker 5: It was fun. It was fun. She's she's absolutely, she's
Speaker 5: she was. Actually she was actually the hip hop fan
Speaker 5: in the room.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: Really yeah, because because where's Carmen from?
Speaker 5: I can't remember? But it was ghetto as fuck, really
Speaker 5: really really really yeah, like it was.
Speaker 1: It was And she didn't come in the door as
Speaker 1: that image or that name. So during this period you're
Speaker 1: getting to know her as whatever, what is it? What
Speaker 1: is it? Room Electric? Damn? It's terribly Patrick, Damn. How
Speaker 1: did you know that?
Speaker 4: Because I got because I got Google, Bitch, you knew
Speaker 4: that already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, comfortable. That came from a recalled memory.
Speaker 5: Does it say where she's from.
Speaker 1: Working on that as we spoke, Yeah, because he has
Speaker 1: just because I don't know off the top exactly she's
Speaker 1: from Sharonville, Ohio exactly.
Speaker 5: Can you go meth lab? There you go?
Speaker 1: Right, the four meth labs were a thing. She was
Speaker 1: like the first meth labber An Electric could have been
Speaker 1: she could have been the first Nikki Minaj at.
Speaker 5: This bitch exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, he tried it.
Speaker 5: Let's see what what I'm saying is, I remember that
Speaker 5: she was from some place that that wasn't you know,
Speaker 5: hoity toity, you know, pretty city. She he was from
Speaker 5: someplace rough. And that's from speaking to her and and
Speaker 5: developing a friendship in a relationship with her to this
Speaker 5: day me and Carmen a lecture a call to this,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, which is so dope, but
Speaker 5: to this day, and that's that was the rap fan,
Speaker 5: and that was the real hip hop fan in the
Speaker 5: in the in the room. Is that way she knew everything,
Speaker 5: She knew everything, she knew everyone.
Speaker 1: I could tell she was a fan, like you know, wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is which is another reason why like which
Speaker 5: is another reason why she caught my ship Like this,
Speaker 5: like this, and I write, I don't write specifically to
Speaker 5: cater to uh people that can't breathe, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, I write specifically intricate. I write in
Speaker 5: a manner in which I don't want people to be
Speaker 5: able to recite my ryme. Yeah, that's how I write,
Speaker 5: you know. I specifically write complicated, double double.
Speaker 1: I still can't say the word Mary Lee exactly. You
Speaker 1: can't say to either, oh my gosh, Charlie Patrick, what
Speaker 1: I'm here?
Speaker 5: But yeah, she she that girl is incredible. She's and
Speaker 5: it's like she's not the first person. She's not the
Speaker 5: first woman to have although it might be the first
Speaker 5: woman with her lyrics written by a woman. The first
Speaker 5: woman is Rhyman with her lyrics written by another woman.
Speaker 5: That might be a first exactly, But she caught everything
Speaker 5: she caught. And that's why I bet you when you
Speaker 5: heard get On Right, I bet you when you heard
Speaker 5: that song you said to yourself, that sounds like money.
Speaker 1: No, I mean you know I knew that someone. I
Speaker 1: believe that at the time, the same could be safe
Speaker 1: for Tony m there there. It was like that the
Speaker 1: DNA was real hip hop at the time, like what
Speaker 1: you were doing when rock Him was doing, what Kine
Speaker 1: was doing, like all that iambic pentameter. You know so, yes,
Speaker 1: moan so in your transition to radio, how awkward was
Speaker 1: it at the time in doing that?
Speaker 5: Not awkward at all. I didn't. Again, again, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't even say diversiac. So you know, I'll be.
Speaker 5: Hold on.
Speaker 1: You just turned into a different bird. It's like, there
Speaker 1: should be no reason why I sho know syrh I
Speaker 1: know syranh though, Okay, I would just say take the
Speaker 1: diverse rect I like it. Take the dice you, Steve Barton,
Speaker 1: there you go. References on the phone for you up man, Wow,
Speaker 1: what timing anything like that or in proper nowns that
Speaker 1: Amir does not know how to.
Speaker 6: Say, Mary Lee, Oh damn.
Speaker 1: You were not cricature. Best wedding gift ever.
Speaker 4: The caricature You're still clutching something loud and wrong, so loud,
Speaker 4: go loud.
Speaker 5: Proud and you said that loudly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, full of people.
Speaker 7: It was a lovely cricature.
Speaker 1: Me and my wife at his wedding.
Speaker 4: They gave everybody their own care and we all like
Speaker 4: what was like, what the fricature?
Speaker 7: Yes, so money you need to teach these guys. Maybe
Speaker 7: some English.
Speaker 4: Lessons, Yeah, I ambic pentameter, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Well yeah, but the thing is money is
Speaker 1: that assuming that you didn't go to communications school to
Speaker 1: learn to do this in front sale and back sale
Speaker 1: or whatever. See, I'm even forgetting the terms for a radio.
Speaker 1: How how much of a crash course did it take
Speaker 1: for you to master it?
Speaker 5: It was like night school, and honestly, a whole sitcom
Speaker 5: could be made out of night school on radio actually
Speaker 5: learning how to broadcast during the unsociable hours of the
Speaker 5: morning to the point, to the point. And it was
Speaker 5: me and miss Jones together.
Speaker 1: Fuck it was Miss Jones. Yeah, you started in Philly.
Speaker 5: No, we both saw it at Hot ninety seven in
Speaker 5: New York.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
Speaker 5: And Steve Smith?
Speaker 1: Who what did that? Who offered that? How did that
Speaker 1: come to be?
Speaker 5: They had they had ed and Dre in the morning,
Speaker 5: they had funk Master Flex, they had Angie from whatever
Speaker 5: station it was before flipped and they kept Angie and uh,
Speaker 5: somebody's bright idea to Steve Smith, who was the person
Speaker 5: that flipped the station, was like, you should seek out
Speaker 5: some other bonafide potential personalities that you think would fit.
Speaker 5: My manager got the call to bring me in to
Speaker 5: meet with Steve Smith. I went in. He said, how
Speaker 5: do you feel about being on the radio? And I
Speaker 5: said for why? Like why would I want to be
Speaker 5: on the radio?
Speaker 7: You know at the time, are you still were you eat?
Speaker 7: Were you auditioning still?
Speaker 3: Or you were just like the one one acting thing
Speaker 3: that I'm out or was that before I'm trying to
Speaker 3: put the timeline together.
Speaker 5: Doing what now?
Speaker 7: Acting?
Speaker 1: What did I miss acting?
Speaker 7: Because she did?
Speaker 5: I did? Who's the man? And strapped?
Speaker 1: Strapped?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that type of stuff was happening then.
Speaker 5: I was still recording music, you know. So it's like,
Speaker 5: what do I want to be in a radio for?
Speaker 5: I know nothing about being on the radio, Steve Swistel,
Speaker 5: Because like, I will teach you and I will get
Speaker 5: your FCC license for you. What the heck is an
Speaker 5: FCC license?
Speaker 1: To day? I was going to ask that and do
Speaker 1: we need it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: But you no, you don't. But you on terrestrial radio
Speaker 5: you had to have an FCC license back in the days.
Speaker 1: Be able to pronounce terrestrial radio. Yeah, I was going
Speaker 1: to skip that word because you know.
Speaker 7: And where you and where you got secrets?
Speaker 3: Because I know sometimes see in radio they let you
Speaker 3: come in at night too, because they want to surprise
Speaker 3: everybody and be like, hey, and mony love is.
Speaker 7: Now to the radio station.
Speaker 5: Yet they didn't announce us as announces yet, but they
Speaker 5: were training us. And let me tell you something, me
Speaker 5: and miss Jones would be messing up badly at night time.
Speaker 5: They'd they'd be dead there for like forty five minutes
Speaker 5: and then then and then the mics will be up
Speaker 5: and we're talking about I hate that guy. I went
Speaker 5: out with him and he was such a piece of
Speaker 5: ship and did and then she get a phone call like, uh,
Speaker 5: you guys have the microphone on. No, like we was
Speaker 5: doing the dumb ship at night time. It was like,
Speaker 5: you know, three four o'clock in the morning, and Limus
Speaker 5: Jones was just fucking up badly.
Speaker 1: Well, I consider this to be a lucky opportunity because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on a platform on iHeart, but I
Speaker 1: kind of have some say in who I get to interview,
Speaker 1: and I tend to gravitate to my tribe and who
Speaker 1: I like and who I know. I've given a bunch
Speaker 1: of news to people.
Speaker 5: Thats going no, no, no, I didn't even get there yet.
Speaker 1: But in doing to restre l, I don't know, just
Speaker 1: four syllables is killing me right now. And doing terrestrial
Speaker 1: extra terrestrial radio. In terrestrial radio, yeah, you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: have a say in not even who you play, but
Speaker 1: who you interview and all those things. So how do
Speaker 1: you handle when you're you know, if you're five six
Speaker 1: years in and you're interviewing your artists that you are
Speaker 1: indifferent on or you don't know even now, Like if
Speaker 1: NBA nothing against NBA, young boy, I'm just picking the
Speaker 1: one one gen z name that everyone knows. Like how
Speaker 1: much research do you have or do your producers already
Speaker 1: write the questions out or no? If you just go
Speaker 1: off the lead sheet what they tell.
Speaker 5: You, No, you you You got to read up on it.
Speaker 5: If it's something you if it's a person that you
Speaker 5: don't particularly care for, but you know, an interview is
Speaker 5: demanded of that person because of whatever is going on. Uh,
Speaker 5: they got something new coming out, they have a project whatever,
Speaker 5: buth blah blah blah, whatever it is, that makes sense,
Speaker 5: you have to read up on him and do a
Speaker 5: little history so that you can prepare your questions. Doesn't
Speaker 5: matter if you like him or not. You got to
Speaker 5: put your personal shit behind you. Which is why I
Speaker 5: couldn't understand that Penis Morgan guy.
Speaker 3: That was Yeah, well that's called white privilege. But that's
Speaker 3: another conversation.
Speaker 1: Well it's also male tox sixty. I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: he I didn't even realize that he had a relationship
Speaker 1: with Megan Markle.
Speaker 5: He tried sociopathic lower scale. But sociopathic narcissist is what
Speaker 5: that person is.
Speaker 1: Penis my Penis Myers. Yes, yes, Penis Morgan, there is
Speaker 1: you know what you.
Speaker 5: Know what I said something. I was having a conversation
Speaker 5: with my oldest daughter about it, right, and I said
Speaker 5: to her, I was like, if I had to give
Speaker 5: you a quick analogy of what that whole situation was
Speaker 5: between the Penis Morgan guy and Magel Megan Marco, it
Speaker 5: would be this. Remember back in the days when a
Speaker 5: girl were brought past a bunch of guys. He'd be like, baby,
Speaker 5: what's up, what's up? And you don't answer, and then
Speaker 5: the guy goes, fuck you there, bitch. That's that.
Speaker 1: That's what there was. Yes, got you got curved.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because she didn't show up today. She met Harry
Speaker 7: that night.
Speaker 3: And story that's that whom Harry appears.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it. Oh you know the thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't know this story.
Speaker 5: It's perfect if she's sitting here because she is the
Speaker 5: reason why the ship went viral.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, because well yes, because.
Speaker 3: As Moni said, we were on we were on the
Speaker 3: morning show together and it was funny because we knew
Speaker 3: was coming. But everybody was really kind of more scared
Speaker 3: of what I was going to say to him, and
Speaker 3: I thought that was the fascinating part.
Speaker 7: Everybody was preparing me, like, you know, don't say this
Speaker 7: because at the time I.
Speaker 1: Was let me just add that if y'all think, like
Speaker 1: we're on at least what episode one, one six right now,
Speaker 1: If y'all think is unhindl on this show, well not yet.
Speaker 1: But he's the only person I know that would routine
Speaker 1: Jailey like talk ship about jay Z.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing.
Speaker 3: Well, Money Money was there that day too where I
Speaker 3: got warned about us, and the problem was in the mirror.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: The real problem was is that I was like a
Speaker 3: whole roots warrior chick, right, So I was just like, and.
Speaker 1: I was on, you're about to stop the bag like that.
Speaker 7: Z was like, it's true, but it's true that person
Speaker 7: to say that.
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, But at the time that was when
Speaker 3: the Roots was on Deaf Jam and as we know
Speaker 3: all Pitt Pop fans, no, he didn't really do much
Speaker 3: for the Roots brand, and I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: So yes, I asked him those questions. But anyway, and anyway,
Speaker 3: so back to Gez though, Yeah, so I was the
Speaker 3: one that was the girl that would you know, crush
Speaker 3: fifty cent CDs Live on the air and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: because I was just like, what is this ship is
Speaker 3: killing the black community?
Speaker 7: Da da da da dae.
Speaker 3: Monie would even pull me to the side and say, like,
Speaker 3: you know, be calm when he comes, just let him talk.
Speaker 7: Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Okay, money cool cool mony. So but then he comes
Speaker 3: and I'm cool. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3: And this is this is the period when NAS had
Speaker 3: the what hip Hop Is Dead?
Speaker 1: Album?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, And now, Monie, this is where you
Speaker 3: pick up the conversation.
Speaker 5: Now keep going, I will, I'll chime in.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about hip hop and I cannot remember
Speaker 3: how Pooch picked how he started the conversation about hip
Speaker 3: hop being dead, but money it was like she got
Speaker 3: the holy hip hop spirit and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: hip hop is dead.
Speaker 7: Now. Jeez didn't like that.
Speaker 5: No, okay, now I need to stop.
Speaker 3: He okay, O correct me.
Speaker 5: So, yes, Poosh brought something up about you know, how
Speaker 5: do you feel? He asked Gezi the question, how do
Speaker 5: you feel about NAS's new album and his saying that
Speaker 5: hip hop is dead, and so JIZI basically said, well,
Speaker 5: I feel like, how can you really say that? Like,
Speaker 5: I don't really think that that's accurate to say that,
Speaker 5: because that's how that's how I make my living, that's
Speaker 5: how a lot of us are making our living. We
Speaker 5: got stuff to say still, and so then I then
Speaker 5: jumped in on us and he was He was like,
Speaker 5: who is he to say that? And I was like, well,
Speaker 5: I think that what Nas is trying to say in
Speaker 5: that analogy is that once upon a time there was
Speaker 5: there there were several aspects of hip hop that were
Speaker 5: all getting light. All of them were getting light. It
Speaker 5: wasn't just it was the aks this stuff. It's the
Speaker 5: political stuff, it's the happy we just hit a party
Speaker 5: type stuff.
Speaker 7: And definitely the stuff getting played on the radio right and.
Speaker 5: Then the more commercial stuff. It was it was all
Speaker 5: of those aspects of hip hop that we're all getting
Speaker 5: equal light. And I think what Nas was trying to
Speaker 5: say at this time, and this is me talking to Jesz,
Speaker 5: so I think what Nas is trying to say at
Speaker 5: this time is that right now it's all one sided.
Speaker 5: It's all about the street life and and and and
Speaker 5: the bitches and the and the money and the cars
Speaker 5: and the this and the that, and that's not everything.
Speaker 5: So the the the aspect of hip hop's multifaceted self
Speaker 5: is dead right now. I think that's what nas is
Speaker 5: trying to say in that analogy.
Speaker 3: Yes, and at this time Gzi was not ready for
Speaker 3: that intellectual breakdown. And at this moment, I'm not sure,
Speaker 3: I think me and if we were not sure due
Speaker 3: to his response to money and money you break down
Speaker 3: the response because again okay, so.
Speaker 5: Then after that, so that after that, he was like
Speaker 5: he he kind of got animated in his speech pattern
Speaker 5: and was like, well, you know, you got a whole
Speaker 5: different type of appreciation of hip hop, ain't you from England?
Speaker 7: And so then I was like, so this is when.
Speaker 3: Me and pooshe realize he don't know who he talking
Speaker 3: to right now?
Speaker 5: Yes, well that's what that's what he thinks, because she
Speaker 5: said that said it.
Speaker 7: I was I said it on the mic. I was like,
Speaker 7: who you know who you're talking to right now? Right?
Speaker 7: I swear to god. He didn't say money love.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, you were that money love.
Speaker 5: He was like, you got a whole different appreciation to
Speaker 5: you know what. You know, we grew, we came up
Speaker 5: listening to something else, And in my head, I'm saying
Speaker 5: to myself, dude, you're not that much younger than me,
Speaker 5: Like that's that's not gonna fly. You're not that much
Speaker 5: younger to me. It's not that big of a difference.
Speaker 5: And yes, I came up in in uh in England,
Speaker 5: but it's the same hip hop. So basically we should
Speaker 5: we should be pulling from the same waters, the same streams,
Speaker 5: let me.
Speaker 1: Interrupt, to his credit, not to his credit, but hip
Speaker 1: hop generations. It's like, if you're before the five or
Speaker 1: after the five is night and day. So me being
Speaker 1: born in seventy one, like anyone born after seventy five
Speaker 1: is almost like you might they might as well be
Speaker 1: twenty years younger.
Speaker 5: You know why that doesn't make sense to me. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna tell you why.
Speaker 1: Exceptione, Wait, were you born I want seventy eight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Fante has like a savants knowledge of music, but
Speaker 1: anyone else I know, in seventy eight, I might as
Speaker 1: well be talking to someone born now eighty six.
Speaker 5: As I sit here and I listen to you as
Speaker 5: I sit here and I listen to you say that,
Speaker 5: I'm going to say this. I now have an appreciation
Speaker 5: for that factor. And so now right now I'll say,
Speaker 5: you know what, he really could have been on some
Speaker 5: different for real, genuinely on a different lanes and pulled
Speaker 5: from a different string. But back then I was looking
Speaker 5: at it like, dude, you're not getting a young card.
Speaker 5: You're not that much younger than me. We should have
Speaker 5: been pulling from the same streams. Why are you not
Speaker 5: understanding this? Why are you not understanding NAS's analogy? Why
Speaker 5: are you not understanding it? That's where my head was
Speaker 5: at that moment. And then it was it was, it
Speaker 5: was worsened. It was worsened because I am I don't
Speaker 5: do well with over talking men, right, I don't do well?
Speaker 1: How are you on this show?
Speaker 7: She's just against.
Speaker 1: Each other?
Speaker 3: When his ass stood up though, because that's the part
Speaker 3: I was trying to remember, That's the part when I
Speaker 3: was like, wait.
Speaker 7: What what's going on? Why are you standing.
Speaker 1: Physical?
Speaker 7: No, he was about to know he's about to roll.
Speaker 5: He was, he was. He was like, well, who is
Speaker 5: NAS to say this anyway? And at that point, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: so okay, so y'all remember Kim Wayne's and her missus Jenkins.
Speaker 1: Uh, you ain't heard it from me? Oh, don't you
Speaker 1: talk about miss Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, start crying, okay, okay, don't talk about don't
Speaker 5: don't talk don't don't talk about nas. Don't do that.
Speaker 5: Don't do that. Don't do that. That's a bad idea.
Speaker 5: And so he stood up and was like, who is
Speaker 5: nas to say this? And I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 5: and now you will tell you when I hit that
Speaker 5: note of the oh, it's a problem when I when
Speaker 5: you hear me say, oh.
Speaker 7: I thought it was it was a Nazis hip hop?
Speaker 7: Was it a Nazis hip hop?
Speaker 1: He was likens?
Speaker 5: And then I was wait when he was like when
Speaker 5: he said, who is not to say that? And I
Speaker 5: was like, somebody that's been here for a very long time.
Speaker 5: And when he says that, I was not gun got
Speaker 5: niggas in the Feds. And I was like, and at
Speaker 5: that point, if you watch the video, you will hear
Speaker 5: me mumbling on the mic in a low mono tone voice,
Speaker 5: it's dead. You just killed hip hop right now. It's dead,
Speaker 5: right now, it's dead, right, it's dead right now? With
Speaker 5: everything you're saying right now is dead. You just killed it.
Speaker 5: You just stabbed it, you just shot it, you just
Speaker 5: killed it. You hear me, You hear me saying that
Speaker 5: at that point underneath. Now, in hindsight, I look back
Speaker 5: at it, and I'm like, what I was trying to
Speaker 5: relay to Giz in that interview is was simply that
Speaker 5: the analogy that NAS was making wasn't wasn't to be
Speaker 5: disrespectful towards him and his second term that the hip
Speaker 5: hop Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't anything to disrespect that
Speaker 5: it was. It was something that was It was an analogy
Speaker 5: that was made to bring light to the fact that
Speaker 5: all the facets of hip hop music were not being
Speaker 5: given and shown the same light and the same level
Speaker 5: of respect at that moment in time. That's all NAS
Speaker 5: was saying with that analogy at that time. But Jeeze
Speaker 5: took offense, you know, And in hindsight I understand he
Speaker 5: took offense. He took it personally like it was a
Speaker 5: dig at him, right, So I get that part. Also,
Speaker 5: perhaps the way that I was speaking in because I
Speaker 5: was calling him brother and I was trying to be
Speaker 5: polite and respectful while I was speaking to him, he
Speaker 5: wasn't trying to hear He wasn't trying to hear that.
Speaker 5: I think that's probably just Ego and Bravado being young.
Speaker 5: And I was also trying to trying to have a
Speaker 5: teachable moment with him as far as to say, protect
Speaker 5: all the facets of hip hop today. Otherwise in ten
Speaker 5: fifteen years time, when the new kids on the block
Speaker 5: come up and you're not this geezy that you are now,
Speaker 5: which is the it guy, When when it's ten to
Speaker 5: fifteen years later, them new guys can push your ship
Speaker 5: to the to the to the garbage in the garbage can.
Speaker 5: So when I'm trying to have a moment with you
Speaker 5: now to understand how important it is to preserve all
Speaker 5: the elements and all the facets of it so that
Speaker 5: you can have a place to survive ten fifteen years later,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And it just it just
Speaker 5: it just wasn't coming. It wasn't good, It wasn't coming
Speaker 5: across Jesus, you know.
Speaker 1: Don't forget back then. He if you remember when, like
Speaker 1: I think a month before he was I mean, was
Speaker 1: clearly a fifty cent troll move. But he was talking
Speaker 1: about like, you know, I'm gonna meet with John McCain
Speaker 1: and see what he's about. This was like I remember that,
Speaker 1: all right. He was he was a musical guest on
Speaker 1: SNL I think in September October two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: It was kind of just putting out there, like, you know,
Speaker 1: just because Obama's played on me, I'm gon vote for him,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna see what John McCain has. You know,
Speaker 1: he had his arm around John mccainna SNL and it
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna go to lunch with him, see
Speaker 1: what he's.
Speaker 3: About and selling snowman shirts to little black kids, and
Speaker 3: I don't do that.
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, that's when I had a problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's cool now, you know, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, in essence, Laiah filmed the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Did not know she was filming it, Okay, Laiah ran
Speaker 5: out of the room as soon as that goddamn interview
Speaker 5: was over, and she loaded that ship to every possible
Speaker 5: blog in the world at that time, and that shit
Speaker 5: went viral like a move so quickly, and was wait,
Speaker 5: here's the here's the crazy, craziest part. Nobody knows. I
Speaker 5: don't even know if you knew this, Layah. Nobody knows
Speaker 5: that I had been undergoing a renegotiation with the radio
Speaker 5: station six months prior to that day. And that day
Speaker 5: was d day when I had to make a decision
Speaker 5: on whether I was going to accept the contract that
Speaker 5: they gave me. And what it was was there was
Speaker 5: a little piece of wording in that contract that I
Speaker 5: did not agree with which said that in order for
Speaker 5: me to do anything using my face, my name, how
Speaker 5: did you guys say, caricature, ricature, cricature, Okay, using my
Speaker 5: face name, my curricature.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's radio.
Speaker 1: That's radio.
Speaker 3: Shit, that's radio. It wasn't used to celebrities. So they
Speaker 3: just regularly.
Speaker 5: Basically anything to do with my voice, anything to do
Speaker 5: with myself. If I wanted to write a book, if
Speaker 5: I wanted to be in a movie, anything, I would
Speaker 5: have to go to the radio station for permission. And
Speaker 5: that was the only problem with the contract that I had.
Speaker 5: The money was great, we were at a good place
Speaker 5: or with everything except for that. And my lawyers were like,
Speaker 5: could we just change this wording to something that is
Speaker 5: of a nature saying whatever that it is that I
Speaker 5: have in the works of projects, A book, or whatever
Speaker 5: it is, the station will be. It will be made
Speaker 5: sure that the station knows about this and therefore that
Speaker 5: it's mutually agreed upon as far as it's nothing to
Speaker 5: hinder the names. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 5: I'm not posing for Playboy. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: much to the dismay of many, But I'm not close.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. But the bottom line is
Speaker 5: my lawyer was like, can we put some word in
Speaker 5: like that in it? They were like no. So this
Speaker 5: day that when just this cheesy interview happened, was the
Speaker 5: last day. As soon as I go, as soon as
Speaker 5: we signed off, I had to go into the office,
Speaker 5: sit down with them, ask them, are you prepared to
Speaker 5: change the wor just on that little part. They said no,
Speaker 5: we're not. And then I said, well I cannot sign
Speaker 5: this document. I left that. I left that, I left that,
Speaker 5: I left that office. I left that office that day
Speaker 5: at eleven thirty. By one o'clock in the afternoon, my
Speaker 5: voice was completely stripped from the radio station. They cleaned
Speaker 5: up real quick. And so that that turned into Jeezi
Speaker 5: got me fired? Yes that is yeah, that turned into
Speaker 5: that Geez got me fired, and I never corrected it.
Speaker 5: I let it be. I never corrected it.
Speaker 1: Have you seen him since?
Speaker 5: I have not seen him since. But what's really interesting
Speaker 5: is he worked on a song and he worked with
Speaker 5: a producer called Ko. Ko is my child's, my son's godfather,
Speaker 5: and my daughter was in Atlanta at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: uh huh, and my daughter sang on a song the Greatest,
Speaker 5: which was on one of Jez's mixtapes. Wow my child, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so crazy.
Speaker 5: But what's fun? But what's crazy? She said. She met
Speaker 5: him at what is Diddies at the Revolt convention in
Speaker 5: two thousand and sixteen, I think it is, and she
Speaker 5: said that she said to him, you know, I sang
Speaker 5: on that song blah blah blah blah blah, and it
Speaker 5: was she sang on it. And he asked, the story
Speaker 5: is he acts Kao? You know? Kao told him who
Speaker 5: it wasnt sang on it whatever, And he asked Ko
Speaker 5: to put somebody else on it, like a known person
Speaker 5: or whatever, take my daughter off of it, and Kao said, no,
Speaker 5: the song comes with her. So if you're going to
Speaker 5: use this, the song comes with her. And so he
Speaker 5: kept it on his mixtape, but he never put it
Speaker 5: on his album. My daughter was a little bit, you know,
Speaker 5: she was a little crushed, crushed about that, and I
Speaker 5: felt bad about it too, because I'm like, damn, it's
Speaker 5: because of me, and you know, but at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, it is what it is. You know,
Speaker 5: you live, Charlena. I'm not going back on anything because
Speaker 5: they threw me under the bus after I interview the way,
Speaker 5: how the way, how it went was it turned into
Speaker 5: the woman was the idiot? Oh, the woman. She was
Speaker 5: off as soon as I walked in, you know, he
Speaker 5: called Nas up, had a conversation with Nas. Nas called
Speaker 5: me and was like, don't worry about it, don't worry
Speaker 5: about it. Just don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you what the conversation was
Speaker 5: between me and Jeezi, but yeah, he did to reach
Speaker 5: out to me, And in my head, I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 5: you're damn right he reached out to you because that
Speaker 5: sounded ill. All of that do He got people in
Speaker 5: the fad dude that like, dude, it sounded it sounded ill,
Speaker 5: So you're damn right. He made sure that the man
Speaker 5: made sure that he called the other man to have
Speaker 5: a conversation, right, and then throw the woman under the bus. Oh,
Speaker 5: she was off as soon as I walked in. Anyway,
Speaker 5: something she, something was about her was off in the
Speaker 5: fat him saying this is yeah, which was.
Speaker 7: Not ye, which was the opposite.
Speaker 5: That's funny, you know, I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know what type of females at that time
Speaker 5: he was used to having conversations with, and and I
Speaker 5: don't know if perhaps I don't know if perhaps my
Speaker 5: conversation may have been a little too quote unquote uppity
Speaker 5: in his eyes at that time, you know. But but
Speaker 5: the bottom line is the gz that I see today
Speaker 5: is exactly who I thought I was talking to. It
Speaker 5: was exactly who I was trying to reach. I knew
Speaker 5: what you was talking to him. I knew I wasn't
Speaker 5: talking to him back then, but I knew that that
Speaker 5: person was going yeah, yeah, and I was trying to
Speaker 5: talk to that person. Yeah. So that that's basically what
Speaker 5: that was. I've never seen him since then. Is that crazy?
Speaker 5: I've never bumped into him, I've never know a Yeah,
Speaker 5: I've never seen him since then. How long ago was that? Was? That?
Speaker 5: Eighteen years ago.
Speaker 7: Oh shit, don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: That was like, all right, when was it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was yeah? Eight?
Speaker 5: If I was there, it was okay, all right, thirteen No, no,
Speaker 5: it wasn't no, no, no no. I left that station
Speaker 5: in February of two thousand and seven. That was two
Speaker 5: thousand and seven. Wow, ok, yeah, that was two thousand
Speaker 5: and seven.
Speaker 1: My final question is, now that you're at the state
Speaker 1: in in your life and all that you've achieved in anything,
Speaker 1: is there anything that you've yet to do? Do you
Speaker 1: get these? Do you do you get? Is there an
Speaker 1: itch that you I want to scratch as far as like.
Speaker 5: Aside from the one sorry second to last question.
Speaker 1: Ultra, Wow you went there, yeah, Ultra real quick. So Ultna,
Speaker 1: what was it like.
Speaker 5: Working She's this tiny little powerhouse person. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: Ultnata opens her mouth and it's like she has a superpower.
Speaker 5: It's like she opens her mouth and everything turns into
Speaker 5: a tornado as soon as she opens her mouth. And
Speaker 5: she's so tiny, she's a small little package of just
Speaker 5: terror as soon as she opens her mouth.
Speaker 7: Oh, I do have a question.
Speaker 6: She's singing on I was just saying to declared, but
Speaker 6: She's the one to singing on Ring my Bell.
Speaker 5: Absolutely and that is ulternate and it was fun working well.
Speaker 6: She's a big house singer, like she's legendary singer.
Speaker 5: Huge, huge, legendary. I was so grateful to be able
Speaker 5: to work with her. And again this comes from the
Speaker 5: mindset of not getting in my own way as far
Speaker 5: as creative, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, let me just ask because I know you guts
Speaker 7: your last question. I just thought of something too.
Speaker 3: Can you mo as a as a legend in this
Speaker 3: game and as a as a commentator as well? Can
Speaker 3: you talk about like who some of the young folks,
Speaker 3: because I know you tuned into the young folks as well,
Speaker 3: but like who you're listening to and the younger sisters
Speaker 3: as well when it comes to MC's because I don't
Speaker 3: want to just ask you about female mcs, but I
Speaker 3: was just curious.
Speaker 5: Honestly, try I'm trying to listen to a lot more.
Speaker 5: I tune a lot of it out. My kids are annoying,
Speaker 5: but for the sake of trying not to alienate them,
Speaker 5: I do make a conscious effort to give them car
Speaker 5: time when we're in the car and car DJ time
Speaker 5: so they could play stuff. But the only thing that
Speaker 5: I can't get past, and it's like I try not
Speaker 5: to be this hypocrite, is there was a period of
Speaker 5: time where we were cursing in our music and there
Speaker 5: were curses and they'd be curses, but for some.
Speaker 1: Reason, not like this, what is this?
Speaker 5: What is it? I don't It's like every other freaking
Speaker 5: word and I didn't. I do experments. I do experiments
Speaker 5: in the.
Speaker 1: Car all the twee.
Speaker 5: Where I'm like, Okay, go ahead, play your stuff. Lacy's twelve,
Speaker 5: that's my youngest, and shit, I'll I'll be like, all right,
Speaker 5: play your stuff. And it's like, oh, put to give
Speaker 5: me a head and the bitch and I'm like god, God,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I'm not a prude. We've said curses.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, day get a half all day.
Speaker 5: That's that's our era, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 5: we have stuff, but it just it's just like it's
Speaker 5: like I don't get a break.
Speaker 1: You're an adult.
Speaker 5: It's like I don't get a break.
Speaker 1: Well, wait, since you're talking about your kids, which one
Speaker 1: of your kids has sort of inherited your your taste
Speaker 1: because a lot of I'm always curious on how hip
Speaker 1: hop parents raise their kids, Like do their kids know
Speaker 1: who they are are the exact opposite, you know, like
Speaker 1: which one has your taste? Like you can stop down
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, this one, you know news the old.
Speaker 5: The oldest one, and it's by d four because she
Speaker 5: was everything I really didn't. She just was around. It
Speaker 5: was it was just a natural thing with her, the
Speaker 5: oldest one, and she's thirty now. The rest of them,
Speaker 5: they're just there. They're into what they're into. And I
Speaker 5: try to listen. I do, and I do it often
Speaker 5: because I don't went there to be too much separation
Speaker 5: between us. I understand and appreciate that the times have
Speaker 5: changed and that what they listen to is vastly different
Speaker 5: from what I did. I mean, I used to be
Speaker 5: in the car with the two oldest girls, and I
Speaker 5: used to put on a freeway even though what we
Speaker 5: do was wrong. And my daughter that's now going to
Speaker 5: be twenty four, she'd be in the car seat in
Speaker 5: the back, in the baby seat, and then my oldest
Speaker 5: would be in the shotgun with me and she and
Speaker 5: I would go even though what we do is and
Speaker 5: then the baby would go wow, you know, we have that,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. The two youngest, my son
Speaker 5: is eighteen and then my youngest daughter is twelve. They're
Speaker 5: into their they're into their own thing. There are those
Speaker 5: moments where they join in with with what I like
Speaker 5: to listen to, but they're far in few, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we like old school, we like Beyonce right right, Grandmas.
Speaker 5: No more than anything, they bond with me on some rock.
Speaker 5: Like my kids know food Fighters, they know Nirvana songs,
Speaker 5: they know Stone Temple pilots, they know yeah they're because
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a rockhead too, so they know that stuff
Speaker 5: more than they know a lot of the hip hop
Speaker 5: that I grew up listening to. They're more absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 5: oh totally, but more totally, but more more. My twelve
Speaker 5: year old knows Incubus like the back of her hands.
Speaker 5: And that's because I am. Yeah, I am a huge
Speaker 5: Incubist fan and never missed a show. Yeah, Ben and I,
Speaker 5: Ben and I are tight. And it's partly because of you.
Speaker 5: It's partly because of you, because you and I are family.
Speaker 5: So then when when when when I reached out to
Speaker 5: him one time, he was like, oh my god, you
Speaker 5: have to come to the show and ever since then,
Speaker 5: I've never missed a show. Ben and I are type.
Speaker 1: Damn this was up? This wait? I can't I have
Speaker 1: one last question, but I have two because I got
Speaker 1: to ask about how how did how did the alumni form?
Speaker 7: I can't let you.
Speaker 1: Your supergroup Uh special ed Chup rock Uh.
Speaker 3: I have to say Dave Locus Dave Locus because he
Speaker 3: just texted me and said, make sure he gets his
Speaker 3: shout out.
Speaker 5: No he didn't.
Speaker 3: Wow, damn day, please answer.
Speaker 5: Well, Dave was already managing Kwame. I don't know how
Speaker 5: they all got this idea together, but they did. I
Speaker 5: was the last person to be called. Kwame text me
Speaker 5: and said he needed to talk to me about something.
Speaker 5: Called me, spoke to me about the concept. Would I
Speaker 5: be interested? I'm right, yeah, I'd be interested, and it was.
Speaker 5: It was very quickly put together after that, and we
Speaker 5: started doing shows almost immediately. But here's the thing, right, No,
Speaker 5: something new happens every show. Every show, something new happens
Speaker 5: because they it's like the eighteen. There's always some shit.
Speaker 5: It's you know, Ed is stuck at the mall because
Speaker 5: he had to go get some sneakers. I've got to
Speaker 5: go get some sneakers, or Chubb got a flat twenty
Speaker 5: one miles out and we need to send the van
Speaker 5: to go get him. Dana done drink off the whole
Speaker 5: damned green room already before we get on stage. By
Speaker 5: the time we get on stage, it's not man, this appen.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all sound like Bingo Long and the Traveling All stuff.
Speaker 5: Listen. I will watch that show though, when I listen,
Speaker 5: when I tell you that this is the most glorified
Speaker 5: group of misfits ever, but it works.
Speaker 7: And how how does it feel to be able to
Speaker 7: do that though?
Speaker 3: Because it was a time when like artists like y'all, like,
Speaker 3: I feel like it was a resurgence of doing shows
Speaker 3: and stuff. I mean, even though it's COVID now, but
Speaker 3: it just feels good to be able to watch, y'all.
Speaker 3: So how much good does it feel to be able.
Speaker 5: To do It feels great? Because here's the thing of Maror.
Speaker 5: We don't get on and I do a set of songs,
Speaker 5: and then I get off, and then Chubb comes on
Speaker 5: and does a set of songs, and then he gets up.
Speaker 5: It is absolutely I'm doing We're all on listen, We're
Speaker 5: all on stage doing ad libs in each other's songs,
Speaker 5: be in each other's hype. Man, check this out, I sing,
Speaker 5: excuse me not saying I scatted the horn solo and
Speaker 5: treat them right. Every show.
Speaker 9: I scat, I scat the entire horn solo of treat
Speaker 9: them right.
Speaker 1: Everything between the five of you, like with all your
Speaker 1: respective hits and the well loved classic album cuts. That's
Speaker 1: that's a very tight, damn near could could be near
Speaker 1: two hour extravaganza.
Speaker 5: It is. We condense it because a lot of shows,
Speaker 5: whether we get on the bill, we only get like
Speaker 5: you know, it might be twenty minutes, thirty minutes or
Speaker 5: something like that. You have to we have to condense
Speaker 5: the show, so we tail and make it according to
Speaker 5: whatever billing we're on. And then please let us not forget.
Speaker 5: We have a DJ set in the middle of our
Speaker 5: show because DJ tap Money I said, yes, it's our DJ.
Speaker 1: Does he still have his half Roy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, he doesn't have it. He doesn't have his hat,
Speaker 5: well he does, but it's on his belly now.
Speaker 1: Oh damn.
Speaker 5: Anyways, the way I know that is because he does
Speaker 5: a belly He lifts his shirt up as part of
Speaker 5: his DJ set and he's moved the fade with his belly.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeow okay, this is perfectly yo.
Speaker 3: I should remind everybody you guys, mony's closing our women's
Speaker 3: history mouff, and I just wanted to say, it's so
Speaker 3: perfect because I don't think people give you flowers enough
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad that you had this line to
Speaker 3: stay with us like flowers. Cists like flowers flowers so much.
Speaker 6: No, man, I did not know that you know your
Speaker 6: your I guess kind of the tentacles of your career
Speaker 6: win as far as they did. And this is the
Speaker 6: first time I'm hearing any of these stories, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. This is amazing, Like you really, you
Speaker 6: really weren't inspiration and you know again, just in a
Speaker 6: word or two for me, I was like, man, man,
Speaker 6: that was the one I love that song and that's
Speaker 6: the only time Prince got hip hop right for me.
Speaker 1: And the fact that he did it with you, I
Speaker 1: think that says a lot about you.
Speaker 5: Definitely intertwined a lot. I'm really glad that you guys
Speaker 5: have me had me on a mayor. One of my
Speaker 5: fondest memories of the roots is I pledged myself to
Speaker 5: be their sister, okay. And I was so serious about
Speaker 5: being sister to the roots that when they won Grammys
Speaker 5: that year, I drove by myself from New York to
Speaker 5: Philly at night time by myself to go to their
Speaker 5: Grammy party. At hah, that'd be a night.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't like.
Speaker 7: Action and Adventure.
Speaker 1: No, only only because that was the night where they
Speaker 1: where they played the clip of us winning and then uh.
Speaker 1: I asked my girlfriend and I'm like, wait, what does
Speaker 1: in theory mean? And she's like, that means he didn't
Speaker 1: deserve to win it. And I was like, wait, did
Speaker 1: Mope just say in theory the roots. She's like, yes,
Speaker 1: he did. And I was like, I've never I've never Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, no we he we. I said that
Speaker 1: in an interview once when he he said on the
Speaker 1: red carpet that he loved Buster Rhymes so much that
Speaker 1: even if Buster Rhymes is not the winner of that night,
Speaker 1: that he he's going to declare Buster Rhymes the winner.
Speaker 1: So of course, you know, when he's reading off the
Speaker 1: nominees and says and the winner is, I was in
Speaker 1: the audience like, oh, we're not gonna win. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna win. We're not gonna win, and then everyone jumped up.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, we won. I didn't hear
Speaker 1: what he said. So when we watched the Cliff that night,
Speaker 1: and he was like, and the winner is in theory
Speaker 1: the roots, and I was like, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: And they're like, fuck movie, that means he's he didn't
Speaker 1: think you deserved it like you technically wanted. And that's
Speaker 1: just that's when I started throwing my Grammys in the
Speaker 1: bathroom and you know.
Speaker 4: And no one feels like to get the fight with movie.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of started that. That planted the seed
Speaker 1: of me like not wanting praise and I don't deserve
Speaker 1: this ship. That like that really did a number on me.
Speaker 1: Like he he gave me a heartfelt email apology once.
Speaker 1: I told a friend of his, like, you know what,
Speaker 1: how bad that not hurt me, but just affected me
Speaker 1: to the point where I was indifferent to that ship
Speaker 1: and he felt really bad about it, so he apologized.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that night I had a whole, you know,
Speaker 1: a whole nother view of that Grammy party. Like I
Speaker 1: never I hated flowers at that moment. So that's the
Speaker 1: origin of the flower and a mer's anti flower movement.
Speaker 1: But we're back giving you reclaim. It was my first
Speaker 1: time hearing any of these stories.
Speaker 7: What's funny.
Speaker 1: He didn't even never ship.
Speaker 7: He didn't even talk about the real fight that went
Speaker 7: down at the party. But we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 7: That ship was illed.
Speaker 3: It was yes, mother to shoot the couple fight, A
Speaker 3: couple against couple, Ruth's number, ruth member and girlfriend.
Speaker 7: And yeah, yo, name, can I tell it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Sure, real quick?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: Was it? Was it someone that was married in the band?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was married. They were fighting the
Speaker 3: first uh keyboard player, that's what they remember. It was
Speaker 3: the first keyboard.
Speaker 1: Player and girl friend and yeah.
Speaker 3: Versus the new one and his gangster wife. All right,
Speaker 3: I've done and money. Sorry he was to love, he
Speaker 3: was getting love. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: Whoa Yeah, I did not know this. Okay. Revelations story
Speaker 1: Storge Episode one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, can is this permission? Because this is just because
Speaker 7: you said it on tape?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't see why not?
Speaker 7: Oh yod, thanks thanks mo.
Speaker 1: Thank you mom. I appreciate it. Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Money love h question of.
Speaker 5: Supreme you guys still hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is the perfect way to end the show.
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