WEBVTT - Monie Love 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.760 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. It is March, 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.719 which means it's Women's History Month, and we're celebrating here 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.480 at QLs. We're going to look back at the classic 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.520 episode from twenty twenty one with Money Love. Since her 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.920 career started, Money's been in the middle of everything. You 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:25.239 see the pun there, music, radio, activism, and more. Listen back, 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.360 ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.879 I'm your host, Quest Love. We have teams Supreme with us. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:49.279 Let's see, we have Sugar, Steve Hi. Everybody right now 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.440 your live on location. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.120 Where you at, Steve, Yeah, I'm outside of radio study 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.040 music Hall, recording live for up frame. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:58.440 Right. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.440 Nice. Nice, And our fan base is out there. That's 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.920 awesome looking on the street, on the street. Yeah, exactly, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.080 Steve it is. That's where his fans are on the 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:15.479 street out there. So we have unpaid bill. Yes, sir, 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.560 how's it going on? How's the how's the wine bar? 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:19.640 What are you drinking? 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:24.480 Tonight, little ship pain, let's call it tonight delicious pain. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.600 It's it's for the pain. It's pro paid, it's pro 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.680 it's this is tastes your favorite. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.360 Part of the day when you when you get down 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:34.560 to you. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.559 Yeah, I get to see my friends have a drink 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.680 and you know, talk about the ship. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:45.640 I see, all right at you cool and yeah. I 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.920 can't say yeah, waiting me to say north. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.120 See whatever. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.160 I need some other. I might need some other. I mean, yes, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:00.800 I believe you know your state very well, but I need. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.720 Some know the witnesses, because anybody any nigga saying that 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:09.400 ship is over fifty Okay, ain't no, ain't no young 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:10.280 nigga saying that ship. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:15.200 We don't say that cold like nah nah, bro. Is 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:23.000 there a Philadelphia equivalent of there, like Philadelphia some ship shah? 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.040 Yeah yeah, but then it became kiladelph in two thousand 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:33.480 and six, so ended that. Uh yeah, Marcaret, Yeah look 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.880 at you. Yeah yeah, Margaret, I forgot I forgot the 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.640 mark in the house. Yeah we did, ladies and gentlemen. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:46.160 I will say that our esteemed guest today is definitely 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.000 hip hop Royalty. And I'm not making that reference because 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.239 she's UK based. She came first to our at Tension 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.600 as a member of what I think is one of 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:01.680 the most innovative collectives in music, not just hip hop, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.120 but music and I'm speaking, of course, of the native tongues. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.359 She's one of the first generation international mcs. She's made 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:15.400 her mark, given memorable verses on singles for a vast 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.639 array of people, be it Whitney Houston, Fine on Cannibals, Prince, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.160 the Jungle Brothers, Daylight, Soul Rass Cast Common least we 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.600 forget or not forget her classic performance on the Anthem 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:34.160 Ladies First with Queen Latifa and I'm also at the 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.440 top of the new millennium. She shifted her golden voice 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.160 to radio, especially in my hometown of Philly. Remind me 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.600 to ask you about that Gez conversation by I've never 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.680 spoken about that. I've heard a lot about it. I'm 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.000 you know, I'm Philadelphia and I got it. I always 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.640 wanted to ask you that also Atlanta George's as well 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.920 as well as her nationwide show on Serious FM Ladies First. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:06.600 Probably the biggest marvel here about our guest is her 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:15.240 refusal and her inability to age as a mother of four. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.400 I assume four fully grown kids and a grandmother. I 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.920 swear to God our guests will remain about twenty eight 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.680 years old until the year nineteen thousand and eighty four. Okay, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.440 what can I say? Longtime coming, ladies and gentlemen, please 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:40.080 welcome mony love to quest Lofe Suprie. Yes, all right, look, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:46.960 I'm as as a man. I'm learning lessons post twenty twenty. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.120 Not to comment on people's physicality or their age or whatever, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.520 but this has to be spoken about what is your 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:55.800 secret to youth? 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.599 I don't have a secret to youth. I mean, I 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.080 don't know why everybody keeps everybody always says that, because 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.039 trust me, my knees have got more cracked than Harlem 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:07.559 in the ages. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:08.200 I feel you. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.200 But what you being on at night? 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:12.440 Though? 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.600 Yeah, I'm like Chris, like what is it? 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.320 I don't you know. Honestly, I drink and I drink 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.960 a lot of water, that's for sure. I really do. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.440 I really do. And it sounds really corny, but I 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.480 really do drink a lot of water. And aside from that, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.880 I'm still keeping up with the kids. Like I've still 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.080 got kids that I'm chasing around the house and so 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:35.960 on and so forth. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.520 You know, how old is your youngest? 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:38.960 Twelve? 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:44.320 Okay? Well I see, yeah. I mean there's sometimes where 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.799 like I can't tell the difference between you and Charlena, 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.440 and you know I can't like, you. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.440 Know, half the time, I get it, yeah, because it's 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:56.920 like that either. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.000 Your your daughter must have taken your iPhone and posted 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.039 a picck on I g r ever, but yeah, more 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.040 more more power to you. I want whatever you're drinking, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:10.920 you have it. I want to live forever. So yes, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.880 the water right now, as you speak, what is the 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.760 environment in Atlanta? Because to the rest of the United States, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:25.159 we're just we're kind of side eyeing, not the residents, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.400 but you know more or less no, well not even 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:34.520 what's your name, Keisha, Not even Keisha, because I know 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.760 where she stands. But right now I'm just hearing like 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.040 everything that Atlanta is sodom and more like. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.279 Basically, honestly, no, honestly, I can understand why everybody else 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.640 is looking at Atlanta like that because to a lot 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.080 in a lot of areas like things should be closed 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.440 that are not closed. So I understand why everybody else 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.400 is looking at it, like what are you guys doing 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.680 out there? Honestly, me speaking for myself, I'm going with 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.839 the train of thought as we're not supposed to be 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.000 doing a bunch of a bunch of stuff, you know, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.160 I do a to B I leave, I leave the house, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.840 I go to the radio station. I do the radio 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.840 station the show. I come home. I might stuff at 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.760 the grocery store, pick up groceries for the kids and 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.680 what have you. That's about it, you know, I just 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.960 I don't really do too much. I need to do 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.680 my kids. You know, everybody's homeschooled, which is I share 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.040 my laptop, I share my desktop, which is why nothing 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.920 in my house is sacred anymore. But they are, They're 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.000 doing too much. They're doing too much in general. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:45.760 Is there a kind of like is there a true 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.640 awareness of at least for you know, I know it's 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.560 for everybody, but even for black people like that, there's 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.000 a danger out there. I understand that, you know, at 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.920 least some of the hotep cats that. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.880 I know that are Are you allowed to say that. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:05.080 Hotel? 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:05.600 Yeah? 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:08.000 Yeah, that's a real. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.200 Starts that starts like fights. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.360 I mean, you know, if the shoe fits. I'm just saying, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.440 like we just we just live in the time in which, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:26.280 you know, I mean, where facts are optional and everyone's 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:32.080 everyone's opinion is sort of subjective to what they think, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.079 you know, right, And I mean it's bad enough with 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.480 my family, Like I me trying to convince certain family 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.640 members that they should get the vaccine. And you know, 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.080 I understand the the history that we've had within in 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.080 trepidation and all that stuff, but I mean, it's just 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.199 exhausted enough arguing nine family members about this. I mean, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.560 I can't even imagine what it's just like in Atlanta 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.959 where I mean I've seen clips of All Star Week 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.400 and where people were just like. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.480 Yeah, I'm crazy I skipped. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.880 So you haven't had the whole study parties or anything 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.160 like that down there. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.360 Well I did, Uh no, I did, Actually I did. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.920 You know what I did. I went to Tampa and 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:19.000 I did The super was a driving concept and that 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.920 was me and alumni. It was me special Ed, Chubb, Rock, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.679 Kuame and Dana Day and we did that and that 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.120 was a driving That was my first driving concert. So 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:32.520 that was Yeah, that was interesting. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:40.040 Do people respond by a honking their horns? Absolutely so 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:45.280 when it starts doing nightmares like people were like, it 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:46.120 was amazing. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.679 That was my first experience with that and it was 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.720 absolutely that. Like when you say make some noise. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:57.760 It's like, ah, wait, next time you wrapped a Chubb, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.480 tell him that I'm want to pay his two thousand 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:10.640 dollars debt to Prince Paul if Paul tells the story 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.920 one more time. Man, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.000 just cover this dep. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:16.360 Wow. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.560 No, okay, So of course I know some areas of 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.640 your life. But for our listeners who don't know what 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.280 part of were you born in the UK? What part 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:30.880 of the UK? 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.640 Yeah? Absolutely, South London, Chelsea. I was born in since 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.199 in Chelsea and that is South London. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.959 Okay, South London. Can you talk about the environment of 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.719 of what South London was when you were growing up? 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:51.760 Yeah? Okay. Being black and in England, you're either Caribbean 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:57.160 descent or straight up Africa, like your parents come from 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:03.040 Ghana on Nigeria or mostly Ghana and Nigeria, or your 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.920 parents come from any of the Caribbean So it could 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.880 be Trinidad's, it could be Grenada, it could be Barbados, 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.839 Saint Lucia, Jamaica. My family is or from Jamaica and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.439 that's what makes up the black population pretty much when 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.880 I was growing up in England. Now it's it's a 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.559 lot people from everywhere, more places, But back then that's 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:24.960 what it was and the reason why it was that 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:31.040 is because I think like in the fifties, they England 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.760 reached out to its commonwealth countries to bring in manpower 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.800 to help to rebuild the country after the last series 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.160 of wars, and so they reached out to their commonwealth, 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:50.040 the British Commonwealth, which is all the countries that they owned. Exactly, 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.080 thank you Ante. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:12:01.520 Yeah, basically I'm so light, so polite about it. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.440 I love it. And so my grandfather was amongst them. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.359 And so what happened was families, the heads of families 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.600 went over to England and then bit by bit they 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.880 send for their wives, and they send for their children 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.640 and so on and so forth. But by that time 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.520 my grandfather had already had my grandparents had already had 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.520 five kids that were older and left. My mother was 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.719 of the last five. She was at younger five. So 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.640 she had to get shipped off to her parents in England, 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.840 which racking for her, she told me, because she she 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:37.240 didn't even know what a coat was. So yeah, she 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:43.800 got to England and it was like it's cold, you know, 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.080 So yeah, and then that's what that's pretty much how 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.319 a lot of our parents, people in my age bracket, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.560 how a lot of our parents got England, so hence 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.720 we were born in England. My generation of generation in 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.040 my family born outside of Jamaica. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.480 Okay, So I don't know when this will air exactly, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:07.800 but we're sort of speaking right now, right when UK 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.840 is on the sort of the forefront of the news 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:19.800 with how the monarchy and its relationship with an American community. 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.440 Yeah, American community. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.520 I'm sorry, I'm so used to saying that the black 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.040 community of the UK. Okay, man, I just did a 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.240 patrise O Neil thing. You know when Patrice jokes that 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.920 when he goes to European countries and still calls them 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:38.320 foreigners like that, that's actually. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.400 And not even the term that you say mo like, No, no, no, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:44.080 that's what I'm saying. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.280 I did not hear the term African American until I 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:47.400 came to this country. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:48.920 No, but what do you call so do they? Do 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.160 you say the blacks of the UK? 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:50.360 Like? 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.200 Is that something that you say as a black. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.360 We just we just say black people a black person. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.480 Like British right right right? 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:00.000 Right? 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:01.719 No, not really, But. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.280 What I the thing is, you know, I was watching 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.840 the news today and they had, you know, a bunch 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:13.080 of news pundits on talking about uh well mainly marco 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:19.720 versus old boy from the Peers, here's Morgan. And you know, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:24.640 when he was speaking of his disgust of certain figures 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.800 in the media and especially with the Prime Minister there, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.040 I mean, I noticed that he was using talking points 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:35.120 that I thought were just exclusively for African Americans in 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.720 the United States, Like I thought, just I thought, basically 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:44.200 like post slavery stereotypes of black people, Like he was 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.040 saying that the Prime Minister was on the record once 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.160 saying that you know, like every black person here in 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.080 London has watermelon smiles, and was using terms like pickaninny 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.840 and things that I thought were exclusively just for like 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.360 based in down South American terms mm hmmm that I've 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.880 never heard used in Europe before, which I mean I foolishly. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:11.040 I mean, of course I know that racism is worldwide 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.800 is nigger, right, But that's the thing, Like I. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.920 Know, I never heard that until I came to this country, right. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.640 But I'm saying that's the thing. I haven't heard the 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.960 terms used for us in the United States over there. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.480 So I wanted to know, like, what what. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.600 Was our version of your version, our version of the 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:38.080 n word was wog, w o, g wog. You're a wog. Yeah, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:38.680 So the. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.040 White person calls you wog, then it's time to start 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:41.720 throwing hands. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.000 If if a white person calls you a wog, they're 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:46.600 going to be tons allness. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.520 But do other black people call themselves walks? No, so 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:52.040 then they're. 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.520 So there's not a term's. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.720 W w And the word wog comes from the end 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:04.160 of golliwog, and a golliwog if you look that up, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:10.360 was one of those like black face dolls. It's like 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.359 a rag doll, right, So it's made out of material, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:18.440 and it's black face with wool hair, right, and it 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.600 looks like actually kind of like it's dressed like how 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:26.320 Al Jolson is to dress. So it's a rag doll. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:30.600 It's a rag doll that's dressed like Al Jolson. It's 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.560 black face with wolf coat. And that's a golliwog. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.320 And I'm curious if that even has a relationship to 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.720 the word poly. I was thinking that too. I've heard 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:46.800 that used in many punk rock or something like that. 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.000 So to me that I don't pog is like a 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.560 little like toad or something. Right, It's like a. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.160 Yeah, I think that is, that is, but Golliwog was 0:16:59.200 --> 0:16:59.840 a doll. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:00.320 Ain't that? 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.800 Yeah? All right? Now I ain't never all right, got it? 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.080 All right? Yeah? 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:08.040 But growing up what you know, for for some of 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:12.400 the onand as a tadpole, okay, tadpole, but growing up 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.040 and over there? How long were you over there before 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:16.600 before you came to the United States? 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.720 I left, I left England for good when I was 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:21.719 seventeen and changed. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:27.520 Okay, so up until that point, what was was there 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:28.640 a racial tension at all? 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:34.640 Or absolutely? Absolutely? It's just like it's just like, forgive 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.480 the similarity, but it's like a cool a kool Aid 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:45.320 of a different flavor. Well, because it's like, you know, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.400 whereas you may consider the kool Aid slavor over here 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.240 of the f ship that was going on, you might 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:57.480 consider that red. Okay, well, but it was orange, you 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.520 know what I'm saying. But it was still but it 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.760 was still part of the kool Aid. Oh yeah, it 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:06.000 used to be this group of you couldn't like you 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.200 would have fear, I'd have I have an older brother. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.240 I would have fear for my brother to be out 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.600 past a certain time because I would be scared that 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:19.440 he'd bump into a group of National Front guys. National 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:25.560 guys were skin heads. Yeah, they were skin heads with 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.280 hides up to Martin boots and then green. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.360 Jacket, the red suspenders and the yeah yeah. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.800 That stuff right, and you get you know, they black boy, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.760 a couple of black boys get caught wrong side of town, 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.760 it's late or whatever, they'd get done in. They'd get 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.960 done and beat to a pulp death, you know. See. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.840 Okay, that's that was my next question. Whereas you know, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.080 teenage me, my dad would probably have more fear that 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:59.399 the police would do that to me first and then second, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.159 you know, going in the wrong side. I mean, we 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.880 never Philadelphia really didn't get caught up in gang culture 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.480 similar to if I were going. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.560 But there was that because there was a lot of 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.680 markings on the wall saying National Front rules and go back, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:19.080 go wogs, go home and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.359 it existed. And the parents would be scared mainly for 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.680 their sons because the sons would always be the ones 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.520 that would be prone to be out. The daughters would 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.880 be at home, you know, and they would be scared 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.280 for their sons running into groups of National Front kids 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.800 and kicked in. And also the sad the sad vans, 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:46.080 and the sad vans are paddy wagons, and that's what 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.439 we used to call them, sad vans. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:52.399 Are you have you watched Small Acts? Yeah? No, And. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.960 You know something, I just got told about it. I 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.560 just got told about it about and I was like, 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.520 I need to watch it, I really And then I 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.520 saw some of the trailers for it, and I'm like, 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.440 oh my god, this is exactly, yeah, this is exactly 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.680 how we came up over there, exactly how we came up. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.480 Yeah. People, the first two to me were did you 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:15.840 watch the rest of it? Fante? 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.880 Or I watched I just watched Lovers Rock. I haven't 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:18.840 seen the other ones. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.000 Are you just seen the second one? The house party one? 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.760 On the house Party one, I gotta watch the. 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.400 One with and love Us Rock is a whole genre 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.239 of music that we used to listen to. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:34.560 Absolutely I see music music wise. You know, I guess 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.960 for us, even though he'dn't paraded as as hard as 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.880 I expected him to, you know, slick Rick was sort 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.560 of our I guess, our introduction that hip hop is 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.600 a worldwide thing and not just a local New York thing. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.480 But like, what what was the the environment as far 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.640 as hip hop was concerned, like how did it reach 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.720 you over there? 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:08.000 Okay? Uh? Through videos? Through videos, through Wild Style videos, 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.960 breaking videos, graffiti videos. It came to us like that. 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.440 We didn't get just firstlegs. 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:20.080 We do well, I think bootlegs tapes of like Wild 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:25.240 Style and and then that led onto actual real releases 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.600 of like Breaking and Beach Street. But that's how it 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.480 that's how it got to us when we got hip hop. 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.720 We didn't get it in its music form first, we 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.639 got it in its art form as far as the 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:37.719 movement end of it. 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.879 First that you didn't have a rappers Delight on radio? 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:42.840 What the hell is this? 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:49.000 Yeah? We did, but it was it was kind of discoing. 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.600 We didn't we we didn't make the connection between hip 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.560 hop the culture that that that came out of the rubble, 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.480 you know, we didn't make that connection with we saw 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.359 rappers Delight on Top of the Pops, which Top of 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:07.080 the Pops is like a British version of American bandstand. 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.240 So when we saw them on top of the pops 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.359 doing Sugarhill Gang doing Rapids Delight, we didn't make the 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.760 connection with the hip hop culture. Yet he started, we 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:22.760 started a simulating our own pseudo movement of hip hop 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:25.840 in England once we started seeing going on and as 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:30.360 far as tapes of wild Style and as a matter 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.440 of fact, somebody that helped deliver us more so with 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.840 the culture, more so than Sugarhill Gang for England at least, 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.800 was Malcolm McLaren because he included them breaking in his. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.400 Video Oh for Buffalo Girls. 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.359 And we saw that and that's another way that we 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:51.720 started making the connection, and so we started we developed 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.359 cruise again. I was spinning on my back. I was 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:56.840 I wasn't rhyming sons. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:02.119 So you started off dancing, you started off, yeah, yeah, 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.840 what was his what was his true role over there? 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.840 I mean, you're Malcolm's name mentioned of course with the 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.040 sex pistols and then you know it's early for a 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.320 raison to electronic hip hop in eighty two eighty three, 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:21.000 But I mean, was he this Spingali Warhol figure over 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:21.680 there or like. 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:27.840 What absolutely, that's exactly his position, that is exactly his position. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:29.760 Parties or you know. 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.359 No, no, I wouldn't say that, or if he did, 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.919 I certainly wasn't in that crowd and none of my 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.480 peers were in that crowd. But what he did do 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:42.399 and where we did make a direct connection with Malcolm 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:47.520 MacLaren is that he ushered in the the dance art 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.920 form of hip hop culture. He ushered that he helped 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.080 usher that in to the to watch British kids for 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:55.320 us to look at that and be like, how are 0:23:55.320 --> 0:24:00.120 they doing that? How wen about how to do that? 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:01.480 How are they doing that? Now? 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:03.119 I was gonna say, do you remember what, folks, what 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:04.360 was before a hip hop then? 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:04.560 Like? 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:07.560 What was what? Were young kids listening to the police? 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.520 We were listening to the We were listening to the police. 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:17.200 We were listening to we were listening. Yeah, we were. 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.840 We weren't you know, we wasn't. We weren't doing anything. 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.240 We didn't get hit by the hip hop cultural bug yet, 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:23.320 you know we all we. 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:27.359 Had was police makes sense though the scar the school 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:28.120 it was. 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:31.560 No absolutely because it was a very heavy A lot 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.719 of the British bands were heavily influenced by the Caribbean 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.280 population in England. So you know there's this there's this 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.560 group called Bad Men and they were like a scar 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:47.840 band too and bad Manners and they were, yeah, they 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:52.280 were a scar band. Two. Of course we mentioned the police, 0:24:53.520 --> 0:25:01.680 night Runners, the specials, The Specials, that's another one. Heavily spy. 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.600 There was two Jamaican guys in the group. 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.879 So you mean like wred they Okay, explain this, What 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.959 the hell's are Rudy. I hear the term rudy. 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:19.000 White white shirt, white shirt, skinny, black tie, black jacket. 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.360 But yeah, yeah, yeah, drain pipes. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.280 That's to look like fish boone. Are these white guys 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.040 or black guys? Like every time I hear a Rudy, 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:29.440 is that like rude boy or something? 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:32.760 Or yes, it's it's the British version of what Jamaicans 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.920 would call rude boy. 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.960 I see no, because you know, when I heard Sky songs, 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.440 they're always talking about Rudy, and I thought, like, kind 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.480 of that Johnny, what was Johnny Taylor's word? Like, oh joy, Jody, Jody? Right, 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.719 I thought that Rudy was just like this fictional character 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.480 or whatever that just woman while you was away, Right, 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:56.320 That's what I thought. 0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:03.680 But no, No, a Rudy is a British version of 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.720 what Jamaicans call rude boy. 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.320 Okay, Like if you look at early pictures of Bob 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:15.879 and Bunny and Petere Tush, right, look at early pictures 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:19.280 before everybody got locks. They were rude boys. 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.439 Oh well, since you brought it up, can you talk 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:24.200 about your daddy? 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.480 Yeah, my dad's My dad was a rude boy. My 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:35.440 dad's and my dad is full fledged rasta right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.400 my dad's full fledged raster ita. He's you know, all 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:44.240 my life, his lucks is now under his feet. 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:49.720 Oh wow, music at all? Or yeah? 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.800 My dad played trumpet. Yeah, my dad played trumpet when 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.840 I was growing up, So the house was very musical. 0:26:57.560 --> 0:26:59.720 Sundays was his days when he would practice. So he 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:04.479 would put on a Louis Armstrong or a Miles Davis 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.200 and he would play along to it, and that would 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.520 be his practice. And that would happen on Sundays. And 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.520 once I hear the trumpet going, that means I have 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.000 to get up, and I have to clean the bathroom downstairs, 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:19.920 and I have to clean my room. It was intuitive, 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:24.800 you know, you know what's happening. Yeah, So, yeah, played 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.919 trumpet and he was in a jazz band and England 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.000 when I was growing up, were. 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:35.639 You I'm not trying to stereotype. I don't know. It's 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.480 just a lot of a lot of the black people 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:42.639 that I met in the UK when they're talking about 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:46.360 growing up in the seventies. They would tell me that basically, 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:50.560 like a lot of their parents were super super conservative, 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:56.760 so you know, they didn't have experiences of like sneaking 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.080 out the house at thirteen to go to whatever a 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.080 studio fifty four was or that sort of thing. Like 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.280 were you a club kid at all? Or was cool 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:10.159 Heirk's version of hip hop your music experience where you 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:15.280 know there's playing on the streets or no. 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.840 I we well, let's see when I started breaking and 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.200 stuff like that. We would go to Covent Garden during 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:22.760 the day in the afternoon and that's where and I 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.439 would make sure all my chores were done so that 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.919 I could bounce, and my parents wouldn't have anything to 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:31.800 say but be back at a certainly, and I would 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:33.480 go to Covent Garden meet up with my friends and 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:37.600 we would just pop and break and just practice all day, 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:42.000 either in Covent Garden Square or in the Charing Cross 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.080 Tube station because the floors were really smooth in the 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.720 Charing Cross Tube station, so we could so we could 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.480 get some really good windmills in then backspins and down there. 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.520 Oh so you were a serious b girl, Yeah, oh okay, okay, 0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:58.840 I didn't know your level was I don't know it 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:00.240 was curiosity. 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:04.000 Or like, oh yeah, no, we would battle. We would 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:08.160 battle each other. It was all different crew. Seriously, we 0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.600 developed fake beef with North Londoners just for no reason. 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:17.640 Because you needed somebody to battle. Yeah wait, that's that 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:20.680 would be my side of town. Okay. So did did 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.000 people like go to different territories or was it territorial? 0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.040 It was very Yeah, it was very territorial. It was 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.040 very territorial. You know. We took it seriously. And there 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:32.760 were fights sometimes and. 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:37.400 Yeah, like you would not be caught on in Camden 0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.640 Market or any like, only. 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.240 If somebody came over and was performing and they were 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.040 at a place called what was the what was the 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:50.280 name of the Electric Ballroom in Camden Town and sometimes 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.800 there would be performances like I saw Chuck Brown and 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.680 the Soul Searchers at Oh wow, yeah, I saw I 0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.120 saw Chuck Brown and Soul Searchers at in cam In 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.360 Town at Electric Ballroom absolutely really yeah. I also saw 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:08.520 Steps the Sonic in that same venue really yeah yeah. Yeah. 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.680 Hip hop hip hop wise, like how how big was 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.320 the the local talent? Because again, like there was I 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.120 knew of Slick Rick. There's a there's another dope rapper 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:25.720 that was out like in nineteen eighty seven. I'm having 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:32.120 a brain from the UK. From the UK the Derek 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:38.240 b Cookie Crew, not Cookie Crew. But it's like this guy. 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.960 He he always ended his verse with shopper then a 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.280 heart attack, but he was rhyming over Bobby Birds. I'm coming. 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.960 It's like they played it a few times in like 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:57.280 eighty eight. I forget his name, but then a heart attack. 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:03.080 It's my wrong the fact like, no, but I liked 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:10.920 him because that sounded like a nigga from Snap. This 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:15.760 is the thing. I like him. 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:19.600 Because don't say this, don't say that everybody is yo. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.360 And I still and I'm still not convinced that that 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:26.760 guy is not Vin Raims. I'm sorry, I'm still I'm 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:27.640 still not convinced. 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:32.280 I've never seen the Snap. I never seen him in 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:32.800 the same place. 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:33.800 No. 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.840 But the thing is is that with with most UK artists, 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:43.560 they lose their accent once they start singing and rapping. 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:49.160 But he maintained that that accent throughout. And that's why 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.280 I liked him. But I wish I knew his name. 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.440 But when I get off this podcast. I'm gonna hear that. 0:31:54.760 --> 0:32:03.400 I'm sorry. How did they look at that stuff? Though? 0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.680 B Oni like like Derek B and Cookie Crew? How 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.080 were they received in the UK? 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:07.920 Well? 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.320 They they were received very well because they were our 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.400 first generation of born and bred British art. 0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.960 First wave was from there too, right yea proper girls? 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:24.719 Yeah yeah, yes yeah. Cookie Crew were my man as 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:26.840 I was babysitter. I used to roll with them everywhere 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:28.640 to all their shows, be at their sound checks. I 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.640 learned a lot from being around them. 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:31.360 Really. 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.000 I came up, Yeah, I came up under Susi Q 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.320 and Debbie D. I came up under them. 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.880 I love them, man, like I remember buying they They 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:44.120 once played in a different world, on a different world 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:48.600 the first season. There's a clip of of Dwayne and 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.480 uh Denise back when Lisa but her name was on 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:56.680 the show doing the wop to what's the first single 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:57.760 Females get on up? 0:32:58.000 --> 0:32:58.480 Females? 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.000 Yeah? And I remember I don't know, like back then, 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:07.200 if if a song was on a sitcom, then you 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.400 asked about it the next day and then you got it. 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.680 So yeah, yeah you made but like, what do you 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:14.840 know what they're doing now? 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:21.080 Or well, I know I Wid still, I mean Remedy. 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:26.280 Remedy is her name, Remedy, not Debide. WID's another of 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.720 my uh, another of my female mcs that I look up. 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.280 Tobd's Remedy is out of the Cookie Crew and I 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.480 speak to her. She's on really well, she works. She 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.000 actually heads her own marketing company still in London now 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:45.600 and she still works very much within the music business, 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.440 specifically because she had first time knowledge of being herself. 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:53.040 So she works has her own marketing firm in the 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:54.680 entertainment business in England. 0:33:55.320 --> 0:34:00.880 Okay, so how did you get the How did you 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:05.800 make that transition into becoming an MC and taking it 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:10.319 serious enough to actually doing it right? 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.040 When did it? Was? Pretty much? When did it stop 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.560 being a hobby or a secret that only was shared 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.000 between me and the bathroom mirror with a toothbrush? 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.200 Oh you was el for real? 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:27.359 Yeah? 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.640 So yeah, like who pulled you out of your sidness 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:31.640 and said you should do this? 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:35.280 You know what it was? It was a bit of envy, 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:41.080 and the envy came from I did a wait October 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:46.680 December January February, I did a five months stint at 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.000 George Wingate High School, in Brooklyn, New York. My mother 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.640 was in transition of possibly moving to the United States. 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:59.759 She had a job for a respected Jewish lawyer and 0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:02.480 my Manhattan at his office, and he was going to 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.280 sponsor my mother. She came over, you know, she worked 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.319 for his family, took care of his children or what 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:10.960 have you, and in return he was going to, you know, 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:12.520 do her bees there in the paper. That's how a 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:17.000 lot of people did it back then. And she bought 0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.960 me with her because I was the youngest one. We 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.600 were living in Brooklyn on East twenty eighth Street between 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.279 Clarence Till You and I went to Georgia and Gate 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:30.360 High School and they had metal detectives, which is something 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:31.400 I had never seen before. 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.680 He went from living around place where they the cops 0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.839 didn't have guns to a place where them I went. 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:43.040 I went from Catholic school, not for dame or girls 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:48.560 uniform with a crest on my blazer wearing. Okay, I 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:57.560 went from that to lean on me for cron Yeah, 0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:02.520 you know. So it was quite a culture shock for me. 0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.239 But I found off in the same high school as 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:11.080 mc light. Mc Light was already an aspiring MC and 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.120 I would have to listen to her talk about how 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.680 she was at Latin Quarters and so this is where 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.080 the envy kicked in quarter. 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:25.640 Well, I'm sorry, I just came back in the movie. 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.879 Okay, So that's where the MV came in. So I 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.680 when I left and went back to England after doing 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.120 like six months going to school in Brooklyn, and I 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:44.680 went England, and then I was like, if only light new, 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.960 I'm just as dope. I'm dope too, I could rhyme. 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:52.799 It was a secret. I never told anyone, you know, Yeah, 0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.600 it was a secret. I'm just I'm a wordsmith. English 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.640 was my favorite language. Poetry was my favorite thing. I 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.399 love words, you know, and so it was I had 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.040 a knack for So I kept it a secret that 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:08.279 I would write poems and write poetry and stuff. And 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:09.920 so by the time I went back to England, and 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.839 then I would be like, I should have told her, 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.080 I should have told like that I'm dope to and 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.520 blah blah blah blah blah. Right, So through all of that, 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.560 I started letting it out, you know, I started letting 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.120 it out that I could do this. Once I got 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.200 home to England, so I made a name for myself. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.560 So the next time I saw a light, right, The 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.719 next I saw light she came over to England to 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.319 do a show, and I went to that show, right, 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.040 and I made sure that I got backstage right. And 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.040 then when I said huh, She's like, oh my god, 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.319 you're you know you're back. You're back here. And I 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.560 was like, yeah, I said, guess what. I was like, 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:51.640 I could rhyme too, let me bust a verse. You wrote. 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.640 How old are you at this point? How old are you? 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.600 Like sixteen? And changed, Oh, I hadn't. I hadn't turned 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:03.359 seventeen yet. Yeah. Yeah, those are the best auditions, right, 0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:08.600 do you remember you remember? I don't remember the first, 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.759 but I do remember her saying, why didn't you tell me? 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:13.879 You did this all this time? You were we were 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.000 in school together and you could do this and you 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:17.920 never told me? And I just was like, I don't know. 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.440 I just I guess I wasn't ready yet, or I 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:24.080 was nervous. You know. You would go and telling stories 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.000 about going to like and being in the same club, 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.040 in the same room as Eric, being Rakhim and all 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.759 of them, and I was like, you know, I just 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.279 was like little on me, secret or what have you. 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:39.040 But but we was. We were tight in high school 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.359 and then we developed an even stronger bond afterwards. When 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.400 she saw me again in England and I bust my 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.520 little rhyme for her whatever, she was very encouraging. She 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:49.279 was very encouraging. She's like, I wish you would have 0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.480 told me you did this, you know, maybe we could have. 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.360 I was like, I couldn't came to lettin Quarters with you. 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.680 I was like, my grandfather's Jamaican. He meets me from 0:38:55.680 --> 0:39:00.680 school with a goddamn great Dane. Like nobody, oh wow, 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.520 like that. Yeah, I'd come out of the school right 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.279 and I'd be like this, Oh my god. You see 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.800 those movies where people kids are at the doorway of 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:11.440 their school and they're like, oh my god, that's my 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:12.480 mom across. 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.120 Letting me off a black beforehand. 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.560 My grandfather would be across the street with a great Dane. 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:19.640 I'm like, oh my god. 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.200 Wait, Simon, have you ever told that story before? 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:28.760 Like, no, no, no, no. 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.239 It's not. Everyone knows that Busting and jay Z went 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.400 to school together, and everyone knows that Tribe and Jungle 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.560 Brothers went to school together. I think it's a big 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.760 fucking deal there. You MC light went to the same school. 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:42.839 Yeah, yeah, and. 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.319 That you know that you guys had this bond that 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.200 apparently the world doesn't know about. 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:47.480 No. 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.960 And it's funny that you say jay Z because during 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.600 that time, after I had gotten back to England, I 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:57.360 met jay Z in England's phil during my sixteenth turning 0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:58.320 seventeenth year. 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.760 The Wyan Sophie period exactly. 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.000 He was there. Oh my god, you should have seen 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:07.680 his such an apartment. That's why when people tried to 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.759 there was a period of time when people would be like, oh, 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.600 what people about in their rhymes ain't real from how 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.239 their lively was, and then they would try to pin 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.680 jay Z in that pigeonhole, like oh, he's talking about 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.719 shit that he didn't really live. I would be the 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:25.399 first person to be like, yes, he bloody did, he did, Yes, 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.799 he bloody saw his apartment. I live in England, I 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.200 was born in England and I've never seen an apartment 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.360 that slipping we call him flat. I never seen a 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.880 flat that bi Christ. It was huge. It was just 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.040 like I always compared it to this movie that I 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.799 saw with Harrison Forden regarding Henry where he went to 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:51.400 the Okay, do you remember, do you remember bloody apartment. 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:57.040 It was an apartment. It was massive. Yes, that is 0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:01.080 what jay Z had in England him and and I'm 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.640 walking around and flat, like how the fuck do you 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:12.120 guys have this? And I never in this country? Upstairs 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:19.319 downstairs duplex him back like what he listen. They had 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.520 the lavish life in England and he was there. They 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:25.800 were there for like maybe four or five months or 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:30.560 something like around. Yeah, we're around the same age. He's 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.160 only like probably a year older than me or something, 0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:36.200 and so yeah, and that was when I met him, 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.840 and then and then from there it was like it 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.359 was like big brother everywhere I go when I came back, 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.480 when I came back to and I would go places 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.799 wherever it would be. I don't know why. He's like, 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:50.920 what is that thing where somebody pops up out of 0:41:50.960 --> 0:42:05.440 a garbage can? Everywhere you go? But he would just 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:09.239 be everywhere like how did you get here? With how 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.399 you getting home? I've been places when I first came 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:17.600 back to America, I've been places right where he'll in 0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.880 the same accurate that he talks about in his music 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.520 that he had from back in the day, right when 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.399 he was pushing accurates and all of that. That's why 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.640 I tell people, yes he did. Yes, He'd be like 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:30.719 he did, right. He'll pop up and be like, how 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.160 are you getting home? And I'll be like, I can't 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.480 up my friends, I'm chilling. No, get in the car 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.120 and take me. Yes, and I'll be like I'm grown, 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.439 you know, I was seventeen and change them. He would 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:44.160 take me right home and that that yes, Guardian home. 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.960 That so many times and to the point where I 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.160 used to get like bloody hell, like what do I 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.160 have like a tracking device? Like how are you always? 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.399 How is he always? Did? 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.200 I think it's so fascinating a job like the same 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:03.560 age people don't even think about numbers? Is like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:04.399 both of them. 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.680 Are regressing in age. That's the Yeah, that's true. 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:09.880 It's a lotion. They're not sharing it with us, but 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:10.440 that's cool. 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:12.960 No, I'm gonna find that. God damn it. 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:15.640 It puts the lotion on its skin. 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.640 So I think the first time I heard you on 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:31.280 record was there was a remix for Fine Young Cannibals. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.120 She drives me crazy. I didn't know it was you 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:34.680 at the time. 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.759 How did you not know that was me? And Mary? Well? 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:39.840 Because no, no, no, no, I didn't know what a money 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.719 love was at the time when I heard it. 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.560 Wait what Moyes right? 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:50.279 No, no, no, no, I knew of your name, Like I 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.480 guess the first time I heard you was doing our 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:58.480 own thing, I think on Jungle Brothers, but I believe 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.719 She Drives Me Crazy remix kind of predated that a 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:10.320 little bit. But I remember like you had a very definitive, 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:16.560 like a very sexy voice. You had your accent. Yeah, 0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:23.040 you know, I know, I'm knowing you for decades. So sorry, no, no, no. 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:26.520 But I just that's interesting because I definitely wasn't trying 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:26.880 to be that. 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.759 No, but it's I mean, it's something. I mean, obviously 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.759 it had to been something because you know, Prince reached 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:37.680 out to you too. It was something very distinctive that 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:42.160 didn't sound like any well. I mean, first of all, 0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.200 I'm not saying that it's far and few between, uh 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:51.479 with women in hip hop, but I mean they're they're there. 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:56.000 It's been slow to come to fruition, and I'm again 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:59.480 I'm not saying that there's been a lack of female mcs, 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:03.640 but there's definitely been a kind of the facet has 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:07.080 been slow for the powers that be that will let 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.960 them have a platform. But how did you But I 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.080 remember that really making an impression on me, like got it? 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.920 I liked it? I like the song, like I would 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:21.640 spend that version in the club, that remix instead of 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.960 the regular version. How did you like? Was that your 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.879 your first time on WAX at that. 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:32.440 Point, no, no, no, no no, I had. I had 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:38.480 already had my own singles. Listen the first their single 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.240 that was ever put together. I was in a group 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:46.080 and we were called Don't Last Okay, all right? I 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.680 was in a group and we were called just bad Productions, 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:50.759 you know because like Bookie da Production. 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:59.680 Like, oh wow, y'all was JBP okay a little bit 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.640 of a sting. I see where he was going for Amonia, 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:05.719 I'm a which So we were. 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:07.719 It was four of us. I was the only girl. 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:14.440 It was me, DJ MC, Jo MC mellow and Sparky. 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.719 Sparky was the beat guy. He programmed all that beats. 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.719 Mellow was another MC and DJ Pogo. They were three 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.280 really like known DJs from the UK. 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:30.439 So you're saying that being in JPP wait j B 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:42.319 JBBB bad Productions JBP we bad productions, all right? So 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.520 Oh my god, what. 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.000 We put a record out? We put a record out 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.600 and it was under Tim Westwards label. 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:54.600 Oh wow, wow were freshter week? How old were you? 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:55.919 How old were you that time? 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:57.520 Oh? Fifteen? 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:07.640 Just okay. I've heard so many stories. I've heard so 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:13.840 many stories about Tim Westwood. What does he represent to 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.799 hip hop culture for the UK? I've heard the best 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.680 things about him and I heard the worst things about him. 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.040 The first person I heard to get shot I was. 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.960 I was there the night that he got shot in 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:31.480 the ass. Boy, I used to live in London. We 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.080 were shocked. We were what was the name of that 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:34.879 that junglest crew? 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.120 What so solid, so so solid, so solid crew, so 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:38.560 solid crew. 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:43.040 Yeah, we we we had did a gig all I remember, No, no, no, 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.680 we didn't do a gig. Tribe had come over to 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.120 the UK. This is right when min Maratists came out. 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:52.719 Whatever happened? Uh When we got home, we found out 0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:56.279 the next night that that Westwood had gotten shot in 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:59.200 the ass by one of the sole Solid people or 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:04.240 one of those Jungleist crews. And it was at that point, 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.120 you know, up until that point, I thought he was 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:11.279 like an untouchable luminary because you know, he's on the 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.239 intro of public enemies, nation of millions. But it wasn't 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:19.120 until you know, when we got news of this happening. 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.359 Then I'd started hearing like some of the shadier things 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.759 or whatever. But what what was Tim Westwood's role in 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:33.240 hip hop? And you know, again, I always think that forever, 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.600 whoever the poster boy is of the movement, there's always 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.160 some unspoken hero that really did the work or whatnot. 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.040 So I never know who to believe, Like is he 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:43.440 a hero? Is he a villain? 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.160 Is he let me say, all right, let me tell 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:47.400 you how realist is gonna get with me? Right? Okay, 0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:52.640 talking about Tim Westwood. I don't care for Tim Westwood, Okay, 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:56.880 I have I have no inhibitions of saying that, knowing 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.040 that he's going to see this. You know, I don't. 0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:03.040 I don't care for you. You noticed him, however, he 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:07.240 was everything to hip hop and provided us a place 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:10.799 and a space to be able to listen to the 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:14.399 music of the be, able to battle each other from 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.160 all the different corners of London. He was the only 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.719 person that got us a venue. And you was about 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:25.839 as big lean to the side. Yeah, it was about 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:30.440 as big as that, right, The venue was about as 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:33.680 big as that with the Michael Jackson, Billie Jean dance 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:40.040 floor right with the you know, absolutely right, and it 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.400 was only for two hours on a Saturday, so it 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:46.000 was a lunch time jam. So he didn't he didn't 0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.719 even get a space, a big space for a long time. 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:53.239 He started off tiny with a amount of time that 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.520 he's still a space and a place where we could come. 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.439 We could listen to hip hop music and we could 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.239 battle each other, right, and we could expel us within 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:06.600 the culture. He did that and then from there what 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:10.319 he further did was got himself a small pocket of 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:14.360 time on BBC Radio. It wasn't BBC back then, it 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:18.600 was the other one. I can't bloody remember the Capital. 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.880 He got a radio show on Capital Radio where it 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.239 was a very short show, but it was the only 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.359 one that existed that played hip hop music. He is 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.319 the can't do it. He is the reason why there 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:34.680 were groups that were able to come over and do shows, 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.200 because without us being able to hear the music, and 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.880 without us being able to have somewhat of a scene 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.400 in England, there's no reason for us to want to 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:46.000 go out there to see any of your artists performed, 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:47.960 because we would not have been familiar with them if 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:50.120 it wasn't for Tim Westwood. He was the can't do 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.600 it for hip hop. He was one of the main 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.560 can't do it for hip hop culture. So this and 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:56.960 when I said to you in the beginning of me 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.560 even talking about you know, this is how real I'm 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.120 going to get it. If you hate me, give you 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.800 an speaking about somebody where I say to you, I 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:07.239 don't really care for them too much, but yet and 0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:13.200 still I follow that by by telling you how important 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.440 this was to the culture as far as its progression 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.840 in Okay, you know what I'm telling you. You know 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.000 what I'm telling you is real. 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:25.040 Oh yeah, I mean I can see that. Like Suge 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.359 Knight is a villain, but I won't deny the power 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:35.640 of death Row. Nobody's really good. Nobody wants to get 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.640 on this platform with me. 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.879 No, no, no Sugar for real. I mean the thing 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:45.360 with Sugar, I mean he even said it. The things 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.280 that he was doing back then, like you know, signing 0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:50.040 artists to like, okay, we get a piece of. 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.200 Your publishing, your shows, your this. 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.080 You know, at the time, all the labels was like ah, 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:56.279 sugar is ripping y' all off. 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:57.080 That's bullshit. 0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.200 But now they're all doing it now deal, Yeah, they 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.400 all is shuging your head. So he was in the 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.040 criminal he was just ahead of his time, right, exactly. 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:07.000 Exactly. 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:10.480 Comparison, I was going for that. 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.960 Supreme moment. Yeah, we can say, we can say if 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:21.360 you want to, are. 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:21.800 Based on my cluess loves supreme experience. 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.000 Prince m. 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:30.359 Pregnant pause, yeahgnant, Prince how give it to its like 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:30.839 break it down? 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:33.560 No, just because just on the perception of somebody doing 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:35.400 great but at the same time talking to like the 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.279 revolution and seeing on an individual level and as a 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.040 person he may not have always been like the nicest 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:43.800 and always exactly. 0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:44.560 So I'm just saying that. 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:51.480 No, no, no, no, that's that's remember when you when you said, uh, 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.840 there was some disparaging stories and some people kind of 0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.080 started coming out saying, oh, well, Tim, what's what did this? 0:52:57.160 --> 0:53:00.680 And he did that? Fante would did you just say? 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:01.319 What was the word? 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:05.560 Okay, okay, so they got something in there. 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:06.680 You go, he's a dicks. 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:08.600 There, it's a lot of dicks. 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.760 That's you're doing a lot of great things. We're learning 0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:12.520 that's what I want. 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:17.680 But but what can never be denied is that Timrod 0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:21.680 Tim really provided a place in this space. But he 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:26.080 at least a single with just bad Prisons. And the 0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.239 contract looked like you know how fact paper used to 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:33.840 come out with perforated parts the side. That's what the 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:37.719 contract looked like, right, And that's what the contract looks like. 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.080 Next to paper bag. 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:45.160 Yeah. Well, I had to take it to my parents 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:47.719 because I was too young myself, and I took it 0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:56.960 to my dad and my dad did like this. My 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:01.600 dad just looked at it and went and that I 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:06.880 didn't sign that, and then that was you know, that 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.960 was that. But yeah, so I got found by a 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:14.839 legit label, which was Chrysalis, and I got signed to them, 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:20.880 which essentially got I think they got swallowed by EMI later. Yeah, yeah, 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.440 but back then they were predominantly a rock label. But 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:25.600 of course everybody was going around looking for the next 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:30.120 best trend. Hip hop was the next best trend. I 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.399 got found at a jam that I was participating in 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.840 and offered a record deal there, and their contract didn't 0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.720 come off with fax paper with the perforated edges. 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:47.480 Wait. Actually, speaking of Westwood shows, I found out Carol 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:50.840 Lewis is still my agent twenty five years later, and 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:55.239 she told, Wow, she told me something really hilarious last year, 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:59.160 which was I didn't know about. So there's there's like 0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:07.720 a slew of second generation hip hoppers like rock Him, 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:13.839 like Caine, Kaine not so much anymore, and Carris one 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:20.239 that have a fear of flying, yes, and has never 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:22.400 gotten on a plane. 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:28.640 I know, Kristen, Kristen. When Chris come over to do shows, 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.880 it would be like a month before he gets there. 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.520 Right, so ye. Carol Lewis told me that in May, 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:40.160 if she would book gigs for either Eric being Rock 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:45.680 Him or BDP and at the time Kane, they would 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:49.800 have to get on the Queen Mary for two weeks. 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:55.719 It takes two weeks to get from New York. Damn. See, 0:55:55.719 --> 0:56:05.680 I was about to do it inappropriate Chris middle passage joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:10.000 it was hard for rappers so to get over there. 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:15.480 So like, how how often? At what point was seeing 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:20.319 American artists in the UK a normal thing and not 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:21.120 just a novelty? 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:26.520 Oh no, it became a normal thing put quickly, God 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:28.439 bless him. I don't I don't know if you ever 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.439 had an to meet this guy. But Dave Funking Clin, 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:37.919 Dave Klin, Yeah, Dave Funking Clin, he was the main ambassador. 0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.160 Shows would be booked and he would bring artis over. 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:45.560 He was the main ambassador US ambassador to bring. He 0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:50.000 bought over. I met my first American boyfriend through Dave 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:55.319 Funking Clin. He bought over Latif for True Mathematics, Chill, 0:56:55.400 --> 0:57:02.920 Rob g and the for a Strigger shows in Camden Town. 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:04.560 I'm gone to the Jungle Brothers. 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.680 I went to the show and I met the Junger 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:12.279 Brothers at ding Wolves, which was a club in Camden Town. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.600 Over by day Funk and Klimb and one of the 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.160 Jungle Brothers, and I started dat Internet was Africa from 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:19.920 the Jungle Brothers. 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:24.000 Okay, all right, so I'm gonna do my first conflict 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:29.320 of Ventures comment right now. Okay, now this is my 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:30.360 first Conflict. 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.200 Adventures conflict of interest comment. 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:35.280 Well, no, because Gracie told me something. Now here's the 0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:41.720 thing I forgot the yeah. Yeah, So the Jungle Brothers, like, 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.520 you know, it was like everything to me and Tarik 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:49.680 the second we saw them. Trek was like yo, everything 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:53.160 we were going into to Banana Republic. We dressed it 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.560 in all khakis and da da da da da, walking 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:57.720 around with sticks and staffs and all that stuff. So 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:01.200 we were like even before the zation all that shit, 0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:04.280 like we were Jungle Brothers heads first. So I was 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:10.680 explaining to her that, you know, everything about Africa was 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:13.040 so cool to us, like his ad lips and everything, 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.160 and in our minds we thought that he was just 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:21.000 like he just sounded like a really cool forty year 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:25.560 old and Gracie was like he was the op. He 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:27.640 was like a mama's boy, like he had to like 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.400 get She's gonna kill me for saying this that you 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:34.160 know that Like in my mind, I'm thinking like when 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:37.920 Africa talks like he has a pipe or you know, 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:43.920 smoking tobacco and like doing old grandpop shit, and She's like, no, 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.360 like he had to get permission from his mom to 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:48.160 come out and stay out late and all these things. 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:51.040 And I just, in my that just totally ruined my 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:56.400 perception because I can't imagine this this cool ass sounding 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.280 dude like asking his mom permission to hang out on 0:58:59.320 --> 0:58:59.800 the weekends. 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:01.640 Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, right. 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:06.240 So basically they're there, you're plug into what would become 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:06.920 the connection. 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:13.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, because what happened was personally, Africa and 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:18.280 I started dating, and then professionally Africa was responsible for 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:24.080 recording half of my album. Oh yeah. And then that 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:30.320 is how I met where A deliberates his beats from 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:34.840 and has uh you know, brainstorming sessions with where he 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:38.880 gets his beats from. So that meant Juju from their. 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:39.959 Beat from the beat Nuts. 0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:43.680 Yeah, so that's how I met Juju. And then obviously 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:47.960 that's how I met cut Tip also and Pass and 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:52.840 and uh May. That's how all of that transpired. 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.120 Okay, because I didn't hear that. You know, the beat 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:59.480 Nuts are official or unofficial native tongues, but I know 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:02.920 they did pretduction on your record. So basically absolutely was 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:04.360 that the first time they did production. 1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:09.360 No, they are, they were beaten. Us were like the sauce, 1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:17.240 the creative beat sauce for Africa and and uh q 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:19.479 Tip and this was all early. 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:22.000 I would have ill records. You should use this, you 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:25.800 should use this. We're not necessarily credited, but I get 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:27.560 it now. Okay, I see. 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:32.440 You're right saying you do. You're right in saying, oh 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:34.800 my god, yeah, you do have to do a beating 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:36.720 up because, oh my god, I cried my eyes out 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:39.440 one time when Juju came and he didn't have my address. 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:41.360 So when they when you get there and they ask you, 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.520 what are you here for business? And he was here 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:47.040 he said pleasure and they're like, where are you stay? 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:48.600 And he's like, I don't know because he didn't have 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:52.000 my address. Oh my god, and they searched him. Oh 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:54.520 my god, and he called me and I was crying, 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:56.400 Oh my god, it was horrible. 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:59.760 And I was did they send him home? No? 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:02.600 They luckily they didn't send him home, but he had to. 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:05.760 They strip searched him. Oh my god, it was I. 1:01:05.760 --> 1:01:12.560 Was going to say that London, I've never Canada might 1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:16.480 be slightly I say, yeah, Canada, Yeah, Canada. Yeah, Canada's 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.760 lacked up. I don't know if Canada has lacked up 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.080 or is this the fact that people my age now 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:26.000 are the authority figures? Right, So whoever's thirty and forty 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:28.360 and fifty are now like, hey, quest love you guys 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.720 do want to show here, which wasn't happening back then 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:32.960 for ten years of my career. 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:35.840 Yeah, that was awful. I'm not going to give you 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:38.680 the whole thing. Please when you speak to Juju, just 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:40.880 ask him. And to this day, I think maybe four 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:43.680 days four days ago, I apologize to him again for 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.960 the fifty millionth time on Instagram on one of my fiends. 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:48.439 In some comments, I was like, oh my god, I'm 1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:48.960 so sorry. 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:55.760 Anal probe and rappers in the UK. Oh there's I mean, 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.480 most rapped about it, most wrapped about it on his record. 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:01.479 The shit happened to me. I know at least five 1:02:01.560 --> 1:02:06.640 others like yeah, yeah, I was, no doubt, no doubt upset. 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:09.000 Talk to Juju about that when you talk to him. 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:09.960 But yeah, that's it. 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.880 Everybody deserves twenty four hours of preparation before something. 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:19.040 Oh my preparation is the wrong word to use. Oh 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:19.880 my god. 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:25.480 A classic Richard Nichols movement. Rich Rich told us the 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:29.360 way that we remedy that seriously, we would go to 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.120 the UK. Rich would just be like, don't don't wash 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.280 your nuts or your ass for three days straight and 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:40.000 they'll skip it. And sure enough, no, I'm dead serious, 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:43.680 Like we would go on a Friday, I might not shower, 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:47.560 you know, wear the same underwear or whatever. Nobody I'm 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:49.840 serious like they would they would be. It was that's 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:50.320 just very. 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:52.640 Jack is an interesting sacrifice. 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:57.560 This is a fascinating episode of Quesse. I'm dead serious 1:02:58.440 --> 1:02:59.600 ship that I've learned today. 1:03:00.320 --> 1:03:03.920 As racists, as racist as they are, they do not 1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:07.760 want to touch your black salty nuts. They don't want 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:10.280 to search that bad. Hey. 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:13.120 I never heard a better SoundBite by life than what 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:14.760 I just heard in my ears. 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:17.640 Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is bad all right? 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:21.280 So my iPhone is right next to me. Oh, he 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:26.040 literally sirie google salty nuts. As racist as they are, 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:29.439 they don't want to touch your black salty nuts. 1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:30.640 My god. 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:34.400 And I'm turning the phone off. T shirts. Yeah, I'm 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:37.600 turning my phone off, all right? So why am I. 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:39.440 Thinking about South Park right now? Never mind? 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:45.680 Go ahead, chock the salty balls. You know that song 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:53.360 was number one in the UK because when he passed away, 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.520 When he passed away, and I think it was either 1:03:56.560 --> 1:04:00.560 his New York Times obituary or whatever, like they were 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:04.840 like and Hayes was enjoying a comeback of sorts. His 1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:10.960 his hit shot with salty was the top ten, was 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:15.280 the top ten. I don't think he wants that as 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:24.520 his legacy. Yeah, it was a little crazy, all right. 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:28.600 Can I ask, is I know what you're going to say, 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.160 so you might as well just pop the balloon and 1:04:31.200 --> 1:04:37.040 deflate it. Are our third generational, our third generational people 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.880 like me and Fonte and Bill. Whatever are we making 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:47.080 and romanticizing the myth of native tongues more than what 1:04:47.160 --> 1:04:47.560 it was? 1:04:49.400 --> 1:04:49.520 Now? 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:52.640 Oh? 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:58.320 I mean at its height? What was the environment like 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:05.880 between nineteen eighty seven to eighty nine? 1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:11.960 It was a commune filled with creative waterfalls. 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:18.680 That's a lot of sex. Well, a commune and waterfalls. 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:19.480 You gotta put them. 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.720 I said created but I said creative waterfall? You did? 1:05:24.760 --> 1:05:25.000 You did? 1:05:25.040 --> 1:05:29.560 But I was just reading between the lyrics. I wasn't 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:29.960 going there. 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:33.080 I mean, I mean, I mean there was there were 1:05:33.080 --> 1:05:36.440 there were inter relationships, yes, okay, there were, there were 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:39.720 definitely those, But it was just like it was like 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:44.479 it was like my kids made. My youngest thought made. 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:47.760 She has me watching Mixed Dish with her every time 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:51.800 they clicked back to the old scenes of when they 1:05:51.840 --> 1:05:54.440 were on the commune or what have you, right right, 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:58.479 the commune. Okay, it was like that. It was like that, 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:02.640 So it wasn't fake. It's it's like the romanticizing that 1:06:02.720 --> 1:06:05.720 you envision it was real. It was a real thing. 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:08.040 It really was real. 1:06:08.200 --> 1:06:11.600 I'm glad I asked you because you know, Dave and 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:14.240 Pass will like roll their eyes like here it comes 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:17.240 again with more. So, guys, what was it like when 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:20.600 you guys discovered this breakfeat whatever? 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:26.040 So David past first of all, because when we were 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:27.960 in it, David Post were rolling the rise. 1:06:32.920 --> 1:06:34.360 Wow, you know what I mean. 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:36.720 When we were in it, David Post was rolling the rise. 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:39.280 Because that's just that's just who they are, you know 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:42.720 what I'm saying. The beats here right, and David pasta. 1:06:42.520 --> 1:06:48.440 Like doing the opposite, you know, and that's. 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:50.320 Just who they are. That's just that's just who they are, 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:52.840 you know what I'm saying. It was just so freaking 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.760 like nothing was a problem, Like if everything was just 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:58.800 so cool. I remember one night, Masio was one of 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:01.840 the last people to leave them. Like because first of all, 1:07:01.840 --> 1:07:04.160 when I say commune, I really meet commune. And the 1:07:04.200 --> 1:07:09.360 place of the Commune's existence main office was Calliope Studios 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:13.840 in Manhattan. Ah okay, everybody's sessions was in Colliopees. It 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.680 doesn't matter if it was cute, if it was tribe, 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:19.800 if it was Dayla, if it was jungle. If it 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:23.480 was me, if it was Latifa, it didn't you know, 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:27.400 if it was black sheet dress and law, it doesn't matter. 1:07:27.440 --> 1:07:31.400 It was always Calliope Studios. We were always in Calliope Studios. 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:34.960 Calliope Studios was the everything. It doesn't matter whose session 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:39.120 it was, we were always there. And it was always 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:41.920 egg flu young Why I don't know. 1:07:42.080 --> 1:07:45.600 Because very convenient. 1:07:46.440 --> 1:07:52.200 Oh it was th like, oh it was never it 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:55.040 was always needs food. 1:07:54.680 --> 1:08:00.320 All right, So obviously you guys are post Latin order, 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:03.960 or at least what you represent. And here's the thing, 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:06.160 like everyone that's been on the reason why they were 1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:10.160 joking at the top, I want to know what that's 1:08:10.160 --> 1:08:13.800 the thing again, I'm I'm a guy that romanticizes and 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:19.439 fetishizes everything, the lore of whatever. So you know, I've 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:21.519 heard many stories about the Latin Quarter. So you know, 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:24.479 half our guests that have been on the show are 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:28.920 you know, Latin Quarter luminaries. And so it almost became 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:33.759 like the inside joke, like how long until a mere assay? 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:38.040 But the thing I also didn't understand was that, like, 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:44.599 why would somebody really want to risk their lives the 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:46.320 way that I see it, Like you go to the 1:08:46.400 --> 1:08:50.639 Latin Quarter and you're either going to have the time 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:54.840 of your life and here's something really mind blowing, or 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:57.760 you know, you might get your chain snatched or you 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.800 might get stab shot, killed, or hurt. And to me, 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:05.839 that wasn't risky enough just to hear, you know, ELL's 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:08.040 booming system for the first time played by Red Alert 1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:08.479 or whatever. 1:09:08.840 --> 1:09:14.160 Yeah, but maybe maybe maybe it's because you're generation why 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:16.080 you feel that way, because yeah, that was real, and 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:17.880 that was it, and that was a risk that we 1:09:17.880 --> 1:09:18.800 were prepared to take. 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:21.919 That was the only place you could get it exactly. 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:27.240 So what was by the time you came to the 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:31.680 United States, and please explain that missing that playing back 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:32.559 to London reference? 1:09:33.400 --> 1:09:36.200 Well, okay, missing the plane back to London reference. First 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:38.800 of all, everybody was in the studio still I left. 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:41.200 I was supposed to go back to for a few days. 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.040 And the specific occasion I was supposed to go back 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:48.200 to London for is Stevie Wonder's birthday party at Wembley Arena. 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:52.240 Boy George not boy George George. Michael and I were 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:53.880 supposed to seeing Happy Birthday to him. 1:09:55.840 --> 1:10:00.000 Yeah, wow, wow, Well, assuming there was nineteen. 1:09:59.760 --> 1:10:03.040 Ninety I missed, Yeah, it was I missed the plane. 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:07.519 Whoa and wait wait you were damn for real? 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:10.800 Yeah, And so I got back in a cab and 1:10:10.880 --> 1:10:14.839 I went back to Calliope and I went back session 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:20.640 and they were doing doingthing and uh Africa and them 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:23.120 was like, all right, you got you got eight, go 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:25.080 do it. And that's exactly what I did. 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:30.080 Wow. I never knew that reference. 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:33.519 Okay, yeah, but I felt like I felt like shit, 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:36.040 like I didn't. It was an achievement to go in 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:38.360 and kick some rhymes. But those rhymes were real rhymes 1:10:38.400 --> 1:10:39.920 because I really I was like, I'm going to get 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:44.679 in some people. Oh my god, like because I really 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:46.680 did just miss the plane and I'm supposed to be 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:51.040 at Wembley Arena in London for Stevie Wonder's Happy Birthday celebration. 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:53.600 I mean, do you still regret it? 1:10:55.200 --> 1:10:57.600 I do regret it because I was I don't like 1:10:57.840 --> 1:10:59.760 not being where I'm supposed to be, and it was 1:10:59.800 --> 1:11:02.240 like giants, I was supposed to be on stage. 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:09.280 Yeah, but you gotta you have you have an immortalized verse. 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:13.200 So I do have an immortalized verse, but it's for me. 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:16.000 It serves the purpose of reminding me that I fucked up. 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.040 I understand, I understand. We go bro. 1:11:22.479 --> 1:11:25.400 Well, yeah, because it wasn't a real reason. It wasn't 1:11:25.400 --> 1:11:27.240 a real it wasn't a real reason for me to 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:29.960 be late. It was some some vain ship. I left 1:11:29.960 --> 1:11:32.519 this particular top that I wanted to wear, and I 1:11:32.560 --> 1:11:34.400 made the bloody driver go back to the house so 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:37.560 I could get it. 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:41.720 For good fellas, I don't fly it out my hat. 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:50.519 I don't fly it right, You're lucky. So what was 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:53.840 the now? The one thing I don't know is post 1:11:53.960 --> 1:11:58.080 Latin Quarter? What was now? The night Life eighty nine, 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:02.000 ninety ninety one, Like, what's where do you? What's your 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:04.439 weekly schedule in terms of like we hang at this 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:06.479 club at this night and the Night and. 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:11.920 The World on Little thirty Street in the meat Market 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:19.320 section of Manhattan, on the west side Little thirty Street. Yeah, 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:23.479 the World. The World was a club that Paradise run 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:30.320 the door to Paradise Okay, yeah really, And it had 1:12:30.680 --> 1:12:33.320 five floors and on the roof it was it was 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:35.439 a floor, but it was open obviously because it was 1:12:35.439 --> 1:12:37.519 a roof, and they used to do barbecue up there. 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:42.880 So there's a house floor, there's the hip hop, the 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:45.320 reggae floor, there's a cool out floor and then there's 1:12:45.360 --> 1:12:46.479 a barbecue on the roof. 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:53.360 Okay, wait, I do have a question again, your your 1:12:53.400 --> 1:12:57.880 your speaking voice, in your rhyming voice or night and 1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:01.720 day like at that period in your teens, were you 1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:04.200 code switching a little bit in. 1:13:04.200 --> 1:13:07.840 Terms of unintentionally yes. And the reason here's where the 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:10.160 code switching happened. It didn't happen because of music. It 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:13.240 happens because I was going to school at George Wingate 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:19.000 High School in Brooklyn, which was metal Detectors and like 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:23.599 Brooklyn's version of Joe Clark. And it was just I 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:25.599 didn't want the attention that I was getting. I had 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:29.439 a Tony Braxton haircut before Tony Braxton, Okay, when I 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:32.519 was going to school in Brooklyn. It was like eighty six, right, 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:36.160 and I cut all my hair off. It was super 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:38.920 super short, but it was it wasn't just cut. It 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:44.360 was cut into a style for a sixteen fifteen, sixteen 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.519 year old girl to have her hair or cut off 1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:50.919 in a sleep out like that done yet in Brooklyn. 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:55.360 I'm from England. I've got this crazy haircut. My style 1:13:55.400 --> 1:14:00.000 of dress is different, and I'm getting viewed and called exotic. 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:02.320 I don't like that term. 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:04.920 I don't so when people will walk up to you, like, 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:10.240 just say something exactly, So, how did you what is 1:14:10.280 --> 1:14:13.280 your what is your Americanized New York? 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.920 I studied, however spoke? I studied how everybody spoke? 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:18.640 So how did you speak? Can you switch it? Right now? 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.240 She goes in and out anyway? 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:22.840 I do. I do come in and out anyway. We say, 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:25.720 like to have me say something or say something to 1:14:25.760 --> 1:14:28.639 me that's gonna demand and answer and then I'll still 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:29.080 do it. 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:31.880 What what did you have for breakfast? 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:32.120 In then? 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:33.479 What did you say? 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:36.639 Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait wait, wait, wait 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:42.439 a minute. First of all, okay, wait first, first of all, 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:44.040 I don't even understand what you're saying. 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:45.559 What you want your chop cheese? 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:48.200 I don't eat know chop cheese. That's the Philly ship. 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:50.320 No, it's not, that's New York. 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:52.280 I don't even know. 1:14:52.320 --> 1:14:56.080 That's pretty good chop cheese is a New York Philly 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:57.439 cheese steak. 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:02.160 Never heard of that ship, neither Cameron made it famous. 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:06.320 You know, it's it's basically taking hamburger. It's making a hamburger, 1:15:06.600 --> 1:15:09.519 but then chopping up the Hamburger and putting on a 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:10.360 hero role. 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:15.240 That must be specifically some Harlem shit because it's. 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:21.360 Chop Cheese got its fame around ninety seven, ninety eight. Yeah, 1:15:21.640 --> 1:15:23.920 on one hundred there's a spoint one hundred and tenth Street. 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:27.479 It's at one point it was getting out of hand 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:29.280 because like a lot of tourists were coming up there, 1:15:29.320 --> 1:15:31.960 like risking their lives in front of the projects to 1:15:32.000 --> 1:15:35.040 get the authentic Yes, the authentic chop cheese. 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:38.720 It's a cheeseburger, a cheeseburger, cheese berger. 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:41.439 I mean, you're you're dismissing it, making it sound like that, 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:42.360 but it's okay. 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:45.559 But for we never said we never said here I am, 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:47.160 and this is it and this is what this is 1:15:47.160 --> 1:15:50.040 what it sounds like. And I used to go on 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:59.120 Emphire and get either a blimpy sandwich or the Wendy. 1:15:59.000 --> 1:15:59.960 Is this fucking person? 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:02.920 Person? 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:07.559 Do you ever want your kids with that voice? 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:14.679 Because that's like the next level ship when when yeah, yeah, 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:15.840 angry McFee. 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:19.160 Yeah, angry McPhee is right, it's straight brit I can't 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:21.639 even when I'm talking to them and it gets there. 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:24.679 But yeah, that's what that's that's the switching. And that's 1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:27.160 the studying that I did. I study how everybody else 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:29.800 spoke like, you won't come, you won't come, get something 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:31.240 to eat, You gon eat the school lunch. Now I 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:33.559 don't want the school lunch. I'll come with you. Where 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:35.439 we go in we go to white Where we go 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:36.240 with the White Castle. 1:16:36.400 --> 1:16:45.440 Oh all right, mooney, you know this question is coming, alright. 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.080 Go ahead, you know it's coming, Okay, like it is 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:49.960 a part of this too. I'm just I'm gonna just 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:50.280 go ahead. 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:55.919 No, no, no, we ain't even talking about Jesus. Okay, nah, okay, 1:16:56.439 --> 1:16:59.040 Oh wait, actually have to build up to it because 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:03.240 we're still needed tongues. Fuck it, I'm going right to it. 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:06.200 No built up, Yeah, no, built up. 1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:09.800 Let's see, we'll. 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:13.000 Can you Well. I don't want you to tell the 1:17:13.000 --> 1:17:17.400 Big Daddy King story. However, I would like you to 1:17:17.479 --> 1:17:22.880 tell me what hip hop touring was like during that 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:26.200 time period because and the reason why I really want 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:30.080 to know is because I didn't realize that my group 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:35.679 sort of set a precedent that I didn't realize wasn't 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:39.840 the norm. Now. You know, you talked about you talked 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:43.920 about jay Z's penchant. Uh, for the finer things whatever. 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:49.240 But Tarik is very much the same way in you know, 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:54.240 in his clothes and whatever. So I thought it was 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:56.360 just we thought, or at least I thought it was 1:17:56.400 --> 1:18:00.000 some normal ship to be staying at a four seasons hotel, 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:04.760 hell and these deluxe tour buses and all this shit. 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:09.280 But I didn't realize that was basically Turk demanding the rich, like, yo, 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:10.960 I want to travel and comfort if I got to 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:11.439 be on the road. 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:19.200 Three Wait a minute, right, So by the time I 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:21.760 met you guys, that's what the fuck you guys are. 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:26.160 Yeah, and but wait, here's the deal. Here's the deal. 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:28.920 It took care to tell me. No, mere See, the 1:18:28.960 --> 1:18:32.679 problem is, you guys get hotels every night. Everyone gets 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:35.360 their own suite every night, one to a room. You 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:38.439 guys spend money. She got story, thousands of dollars. I 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:41.559 didn't realize that the way that bands really do it 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:44.120 is that if there's a show that night, they all 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:47.120 shower at the venue, they sleep on the tour bus, 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:49.920 and only on days off they might get a day 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:54.200 room at a holiday inn or Sheridan. I mean, there 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:57.680 was a disapperiod where it's like, yo, man, where's. 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:03.479 Our money break down. Okay, there's there's an area. There's 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.639 an area in between what you're saying you guys were 1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:10.000 doing and what you just described, because I wasn't doing 1:19:10.040 --> 1:19:12.920 no showering and there's no day room ship with no 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:16.280 I wasn't no no, no, no, no no, I wasn't. 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:20.639 I wasn't. There's I am very much a British girl, okay, 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:22.120 and I will that. 1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:24.640 With a crest on your pocket. Would a crest on 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:25.719 your pocket exactly? 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:29.000 But what it was it was when I say middle 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:30.800 of the road in between what you describe both things 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.080 that you described is, yes, we did. We would ride 1:19:33.080 --> 1:19:37.160 the toil there's during the night, so we would be 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:40.839 in out since we would pull up not at a hotel. 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.880 We would pull up firstly at the venue. By the 1:19:43.880 --> 1:19:46.960 time we pull up to a venue, the sound guys 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:49.240 and stage guys they'd all be in there. Ship would 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:51.680 have already been put up. We get in there, we 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:54.000 do sound check first, then we get back in a 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:57.240 bus and roll over to wherever the hotel is. Now 1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:01.280 the hotels would be your modern day. What they've turned 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:06.000 them into is all these nice, these nice holiday in 1:20:06.439 --> 1:20:09.400 the type ones that have like the many apartments in 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:15.000 the kitchen businesses. Yeah, that's today, that's what they are 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:27.080 back then, good times. Bathroom very basic, two beds, two beds, 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:33.280 full beds or twin beds. Bathroom very basic, right, And 1:20:33.760 --> 1:20:35.519 you know, now when I look at it, I'm like, 1:20:35.520 --> 1:20:41.040 oh I would not. But back then, man, when you 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:43.679 when you're drunken, you want to lay down, oh my god, 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:48.760 it's like yes please. Yeah, So that's what it was. 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:54.040 They weren't. They were probably like two stars, three stars, 1:20:54.400 --> 1:20:55.519 two stars, so. 1:20:55.640 --> 1:20:58.400 Slightly above a Super eight. Who would be on tour 1:20:58.439 --> 1:20:59.400 around these times? 1:20:59.640 --> 1:21:03.880 Okay, best tour that I was ever on. Give you 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:06.040 an example of who would be on these types of tours. 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:08.160 And the interesting thing about the tours was they were 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:14.080 also interchangeable what territories you go to. So, for instance, 1:21:14.200 --> 1:21:18.439 the tour was the Big Daddy Kane Tour, right, Big 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:24.280 Daddy Kane, Headlines, Digital Underground, Queen Latifa, and Third Base. 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:29.120 Those are the base groups Big Daddy Kane, Digital Underground, 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:31.920 Third Base, Queen Latifa. At that time, I was a 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:36.360 part of Queen Latita's camp because she Ladies First was 1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:39.519 apart very much a part of her show, and so 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:41.720 I was on that entire tour. So those are the 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:45.479 base groups always, right, So that's the base of your sandwich. 1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:49.160 Put it that way. But depending on what territories you 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:53.600 go to, they would add this that would be EPM D. 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:59.280 Or they would add some tomatoes which would be uh 1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:04.519 too sure, you know what I'm saying. So that's what 1:22:04.680 --> 1:22:07.040 I'm saying. It was like, and I'm using the sandwich 1:22:07.080 --> 1:22:11.120 analogy because it's like, depending on where you go, different 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:14.040 ingredients are added to the show. 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:15.520 But still a hamburger. 1:22:15.840 --> 1:22:19.320 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they were and they were fun 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:23.200 and it was interesting because I learned how to do 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:27.120 the humpty hump while I was on that tour, and 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:32.360 this time he taught me how to do humpty hump. 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:35.599 What was his job in Digital Underground during that period. 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:43.280 He was a roadie and a dancer. Wow okay, Yeah, 1:22:43.320 --> 1:22:45.320 And he figured that me and him were the same 1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:48.280 because he was a part of Digital Underground crew and 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.160 I was a part of Latifa's crew, so he kind 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:52.479 of figured we were the same. I tried to assure 1:22:52.520 --> 1:22:55.400 him that I had a much more president position than 1:22:56.520 --> 1:23:01.040 because I was actually rhyming on a song her say, 1:23:02.680 --> 1:23:03.000 oh you. 1:23:02.960 --> 1:23:05.799 And me are kind of the same, right, Nah, yeah. 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:07.960 He was, he was. Yeah, he was trying to do that. 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:10.200 We know we're the same. And I was trying to 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:11.760 tell him, no, one of these kids is doing his 1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:14.400 own thing, like you sets me street mofo go away. 1:23:14.600 --> 1:23:16.400 You had so you hadn't heard him rhyme at all 1:23:16.439 --> 1:23:20.639 before I did, because he made sure too. He walked 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:23.240 around with a he walked around with a book of 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.080 He never let that finger, he never let that thing goer. 1:23:27.120 --> 1:23:29.920 He walked around with that he was pestering. I joined 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:32.000 the tour maybe two shows in because I went to 1:23:32.080 --> 1:23:34.599 Canada to see my mother first, because my mother lives 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:37.080 in Toronto, so I went there first, and then I 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:39.840 picked up the tour from Toronto. While I was still 1:23:39.880 --> 1:23:44.200 at my mother's house, this guy makes Kika and Allison, 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:47.880 who were Latifa's two dancers, get on their phone to 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:51.840 call me up to ask me when are you coming? 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.040 You supposed to They're like, cause you please get her 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:56.839 already because this Tupac guy is getting on our nerves. 1:23:56.920 --> 1:24:00.920 He wants to meet you. He's really annoying, and so 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:04.000 where are you coming? And I'm like, who is this 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.760 weirdo that you guys are too, and I'm hearing him 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:08.760 in the background like why is she coming. I'm like, 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:10.400 don't put him on the phone with me. I don't 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:14.559 know him, Like who is this weirdo anyway? And They're 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:18.679 like he's part of digital Underground. I'm like, okay, well, guys, 1:24:18.720 --> 1:24:20.280 when I get there in two days time, but no, 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:22.599 I don't want nobody I don't know, but like by 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:26.920 and so when I get there, he's all like a 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:29.559 kid in a candy store to meet me. And what 1:24:29.640 --> 1:24:35.160 it was was I have never met a bigger sand 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:42.000 of hip hop period than that man. Like Wow, Tupac 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:49.720 is the most enthusiastic, biggest sand of everything authentic in 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:55.280 this culture. So that's where all the excitement was coming from, 1:24:55.320 --> 1:24:57.680 you know, back then. But you know, I'm the British girl. 1:24:57.680 --> 1:24:59.879 I'm a little bit reserved and I'm kind of like, okay, 1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:05.880 like you're you sit down, You're just too much. We 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:08.920 ended up being really good friends. It's funny because misconception 1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:12.920 on somebod on an interview that I did while back, 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:16.120 where I said, yeah, we slept together, And it's funny 1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:20.240 because it's like the misconception was uh slept together being 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:25.240 taken for more than a way exactly, because yeah, we did. 1:25:25.439 --> 1:25:30.120 We did sleep together because Alison and I, uh one 1:25:30.160 --> 1:25:32.080 of last season zisters and I we shared a room 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:36.200 and Parc shared a room with Shock G. But if 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.960 shot G had. 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:42.519 A right, had more than Park because who was Park 1:25:42.560 --> 1:25:43.360 at the time. 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:47.720 Exactly, And if that happened, Pop would come to our 1:25:47.840 --> 1:25:49.679 room and he would sleep Me and him would sleep 1:25:49.680 --> 1:25:53.120 in the same bed. And that's what that was when 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:55.120 we saying, you know, we said because we were like 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:58.200 the three Stooges, you know, three of us were always together. 1:25:58.400 --> 1:26:00.599 And as a matter of fact, we even had packed 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:03.479 that in those hotels at the time, those two three 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:07.160 star joints whatever, they would have the buffet breakfast every morning, 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:10.800 but it happens exactly at six o'clock. A wee get 1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:14.479 on there soon after six o'clock to leave to go 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:17.599 to the next town. If you weren't downstairs up ready, 1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:20.639 bright eyed, bushytailed, then in that room for six o'clock 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:22.800 when that breakfast spread is put out, you're gonna miss it. 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:25.559 And all of those places used to have the pancake special. 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:28.920 We had a packed that we would always wake each 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:30.760 other up to make sure that we don't miss the 1:26:31.240 --> 1:26:34.879 pancake special, right, I forgot to wake pack up one morning. 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:39.439 He missed the pancake special, and he stopped speaking to 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:44.120 me for two weeks of the tour. He was very 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:48.439 petty pancake. He stopped speaking to me. 1:26:48.640 --> 1:26:53.439 Yeah, that's justifiable. Yeah, let's just he stopped. 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:56.160 He stopped speaking to me. He he also hid the 1:26:57.000 --> 1:26:59.320 tabasco that I used to walk around with to put 1:26:59.320 --> 1:27:00.800 on my corn beef. How she hid it? 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:08.360 Your own personal tabasco collection memory? Yes, I see. Okay, okay, 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:13.680 the moany in the middle story. Can we can we. 1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:17.240 Get clarification because what what is the big Daddy Kane 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:18.200 story that you mentioned? 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:19.240 This is the money in. 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:23.280 The middle story and the moaning middle story of. 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:24.880 The build up. This is the build up that he 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:25.439 was talking. 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:28.840 About, Like in my mind based on the video. You know, 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:34.000 I thought the past point Dexter character was just some 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:37.680 Steve Erkle dweeb. And I didn't know that it was 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:44.519 a taste of chocolate. So okay, but I do know 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:49.000 what even though stories, even though I know this story, 1:27:49.080 --> 1:27:52.200 and I know that you know a lot of my 1:27:52.400 --> 1:27:58.120 generation male rappers have fragile, a fragile egos when it 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:02.320 comes to get rejected. I have to give him a 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:05.879 little bit of points for coming up with the most passive, 1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:08.720 aggressive way to figure out if you were into him 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:09.040 or not. 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:11.400 And that's what I give him props for. To listen, 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:16.679 from beginning, from beginning to end, you must understand that 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:25.040 Big Daddy Kane is absolutely the number one student of Dolomite. Okay, 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:31.360 he is the number one student of Dolomite. Big Daddy 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:34.599 Kane does not play himself. I need you to understand this. 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:37.120 Big Daddy Kane does not put him put himself in 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:41.000 a position where he can be viewed as playing himself. 1:28:41.040 --> 1:28:42.519 It just does not happen. 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:44.640 That's why they love you. 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:47.000 Okay, So talk about the system. 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:50.360 The system. This is the McDonald's system that Big Daddy 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:55.799 Kane came up with, Okay, in order to understand whether 1:28:56.240 --> 1:29:00.720 I liked him in that way or not. Okay, is 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:01.760 this real life? 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:02.519 You're saying? Real life? 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:07.200 Y'all? Yes, we're officially hearing the Money in the Middle story. 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:09.639 This is the story that inspired Middle. 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:11.000 But there's some crazy ship. 1:29:12.200 --> 1:29:17.120 I've told you this you okay, all right, So we're 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:20.280 we're in d C. I can't remember the name of 1:29:20.320 --> 1:29:23.560 the hotel. But there's this one specific hotel that everybody 1:29:24.160 --> 1:29:29.880 whenever you go to d C, it was, that's the one. 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:33.679 I only know this because old Daddy Bastard once crashed 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:36.719 the car into one. 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:40.760 Of the because I remember, Yes, that's the same, Yes, 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.400 it's the same hotel. Do you know? 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:45.760 All right, Fronte, you got to know this days in 1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:48.800 when when you're going to d C. Well you too, 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:52.960 you know that days in check. 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:55.040 It's a whole strip of hotels everybody using. 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:58.519 Yes, but every rapper stays when they first start. Now 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:00.360 in that days in all right lutely. 1:30:00.920 --> 1:30:06.120 So I attracted I don't know, the ladies first, and 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:08.000 the whole nine yards and the vibe that it gives 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:11.720 us a lot of women, a lot of girls on 1:30:12.120 --> 1:30:15.160 the sister Girl girls, sister power. You know. I attracted 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:18.040 a lot of girls. And all the girl and all 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:23.040 the girls had cars. All the girls had cars. So 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:26.920 the guys that were all in whose room were they in? 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:29.800 They were in Cane's room. Latifa was in there too. 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:33.640 They were playing steel and they were stealing everybody's per 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:40.120 diem money. Damn yeah, And so everybody get hungry. I 1:30:40.280 --> 1:30:43.760 was with I was actually dating. No, I wasn't dating 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:51.360 him yet, but I liked him. Uh, scrap lover one 1:30:51.400 --> 1:30:53.240 of one of the big day Knees dances. Okay, but 1:30:53.280 --> 1:30:55.160 he didn't know it yet. I didn't say anything. I 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:58.000 just peeped him. I thought he was cute whatever. So anyway, 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:00.439 they come to me, Scuba Scrap come to me and 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:02.320 they're like, oh, everybody in the room wants to see 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:03.559 if they could get something to eat. Do you think 1:31:03.640 --> 1:31:07.240 one of your girlfriends would A couple of them would 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:09.920 drive us over to the McDonald's. There was a McDonald's 1:31:09.960 --> 1:31:12.600 close by, so I was like, I'll ask, and I 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:14.479 asked a couple of the girls. They're like, yeah, money 1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:16.680 will do anything for you. We'll drive over to the 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:19.240 Who do you need us to take? So three cars 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:22.439 when we had three cars for three different girls going 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:26.080 over to the McDonald So scuper Scrap was getting everybody's orders. 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:32.840 So we get to the McDonald's, we're standing online and 1:31:32.920 --> 1:31:38.920 then Scrap Bother turns to me and says, all right, 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:44.599 this is how this is gonna go. Cain wants to 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:48.960 know if you like him. It's what's gonna happen If 1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:54.360 you do, you walk in. You hold his food when 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:57.120 we get back, and you hand it to him, and 1:31:57.160 --> 1:32:01.519 that way he'll know, yes, you do like him. If not, 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:07.080 then I'll just give him his food regular just myself. 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:08.559 Place it on the night stand or on the far 1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:10.679 table right. 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:14.439 So then so then to Scrap, well, it looks like 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:16.519 you're going to be giving him his food. And he 1:32:16.640 --> 1:32:18.920 was like why, and I was like, because I like you. 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:26.760 So just just so we know, this is this is 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:30.679 this is the Black Serrano diversi act stories of which 1:32:32.120 --> 1:32:37.160 Kane ask Sereno diversi act is telling his boy give 1:32:37.200 --> 1:32:42.360 her instructions on how let her know if it's on 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:45.680 or not. Yeah, it's like fist grade. I love it. 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:50.080 It's like it's like scrap and Scrap says he Scrap says. 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:55.880 It looked like I'm gonna be giving him back tonight. Wait, 1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:58.080 what was Scrap throwing off? Did he know that you 1:32:58.160 --> 1:32:58.639 dug him? 1:32:58.680 --> 1:32:59.160 He didn't? 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:02.320 Did he give him the bad he gave? 1:33:02.439 --> 1:33:04.920 He gave Kanu's food and then and then you know, 1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:08.160 he gave Kanu's food and then came you know, Caine 1:33:08.200 --> 1:33:10.120 didn't make no face or nothing like that. It just 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:11.040 was what it was. 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:16.800 That that to me, is that yeah, that that's the 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:18.920 next level of yes no, or maybe. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:22.120 It is like the little note that you send. 1:33:22.040 --> 1:33:28.559 But it was a quarter founder or not? Wow, what 1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:30.559 inspired you to make a song about it? 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:34.960 Don't no, I have no idea why. I it started 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:36.639 talking to me when I started hearing the beat, because 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:39.400 of course Monium Noddle was produced by the Faiyan Cannibals 1:33:39.400 --> 1:33:43.360 by Andy Cocks and David Steele. And when I heard 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:47.280 it was the runaway breakbeat. Correct, Yeah, So when I'm 1:33:47.400 --> 1:33:50.439 listening to it, it just started talking to me, and 1:33:50.479 --> 1:33:56.200 I just started replaying that whole DC night in my head, 1:33:56.240 --> 1:33:57.840 and I was like, I was in the middle. I 1:33:57.920 --> 1:33:58.519 was in the middle. 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:01.960 I was definitely in the Actually wait, wait, I gotta 1:34:02.000 --> 1:34:08.920 correct myself. And only only because Sheila Sheila E corrected 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:12.559 me on this is that we call that. We call 1:34:12.640 --> 1:34:18.439 that drum track the runaway break, But we only found 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:23.240 out that because of the way that they rhythmically segued 1:34:23.439 --> 1:34:28.160 that album Runaways technically the last thing said on the 1:34:28.160 --> 1:34:33.920 song before. But because it's in rhythm, every DJ that 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:37.840 spends that break thinks that it is the top of 1:34:37.880 --> 1:34:40.880 the break, when actually it's just ending the song before it, 1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:43.639 and then the breakbeat starts and it's if I could 1:34:43.680 --> 1:34:47.519 start my life over things you learn? Right? Yeah? No, no, no. 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:54.240 For the longest told me, well no, like every every 1:34:54.280 --> 1:34:57.479 producer is like saying it wrong because it's the song 1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:00.280 before and then if I had to start my life 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:03.960 over is actually the name of the you know is 1:35:04.120 --> 1:35:07.800 wow break so so so you went so to be clear, 1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:11.360 so you went scrap ended up dating later? Did y'all 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:15.559 got with dating? And you kane never dating? Okay? Gotcha? 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:18.080 And mo was your birth control? 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:19.800 Because it's funny because I would have never known how 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:23.679 hard money in the Middle actually is to perform until 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:26.040 I actually did it one day for your birthday. But 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:30.360 your breath control is kind of crazy. Was it always 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:30.840 like that? 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:31.559 Or did? Yeah? 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:32.799 Really? 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:33.439 Yeah? 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:35.759 It sounds like control. 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:41.200 To make sure I was one, I was like, this 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:43.840 is I know. 1:35:43.760 --> 1:35:44.519 Her birth control? 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:45.719 Her birth control wasn't crazy? 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:47.799 I know. No, my birth introl sucks? 1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:48.799 Yeah yeah yeah. 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:53.760 Time out Yeah all right. Wait, we should also clarify 1:35:54.640 --> 1:36:00.799 that the lyrical the lyrical complexity of that song, which 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:04.360 I believe you're talking about the hook is two people. 1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:08.560 And this is also a good time to bring Lashawan absolutely, 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:11.559 so wait I always wanted to know because I never 1:36:11.560 --> 1:36:15.200 got to talk to Lashawan. And of course Lashawan is 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:20.880 the voice of ellll Is doing it absolutely and Shana 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:24.640 of Biddies in the BK Lounge, the woman of a 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:32.120 billion voices and the original doing it well. On what 1:36:32.320 --> 1:36:37.400 role was she in this native tongue universe because we 1:36:37.479 --> 1:36:40.960 first heard her on Biddy's in the b K Lounge 1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:44.559 and eventually on Mooney in the Middle, and she went 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:47.600 under the name I'm and Joy was she eventually? 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:48.080 Like? 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:50.559 Who was she the protege of? And how she started 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:51.519 hanging around? 1:36:51.520 --> 1:36:54.240 She's an MC in her own right. And I don't 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:56.479 know how she met the Jungle Brothers, but I met 1:36:56.520 --> 1:36:58.720 her because I was date in Africa and she was 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:01.720 actually dating Sammy b and she and t have a 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:06.559 son together. Her first child is Sammy Beat okay. And 1:37:06.640 --> 1:37:11.400 so I was fresh from England and she wanted people 1:37:11.640 --> 1:37:15.400 the women that I met when I came here to 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:19.000 this country as Africa's girlfriend, you know, Africa's girlfriend who 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:21.800 has a record deal, who he's producing the rest of 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:23.800 her album. And she's one of the first women that 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:26.360 I met, and she and I became sisters real quick. 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:30.080 She's Brownsville, Brooklyn girl. She don't play. 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:32.920 By that voice. I can tell it. 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:33.720 Okay. 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:36.920 Were there immediate plans to like get her a deal 1:37:37.120 --> 1:37:38.120 or she? 1:37:38.200 --> 1:37:40.400 Oh? No, she was. She was an artist in her 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:41.920 own right. She had the deal. She was signed to 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:45.280 Wild Pitch the original doing it right. 1:37:45.400 --> 1:37:49.559 But as I'm enjoyed, did she ever get no? 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:52.240 No? No. She was signed as Alma Joy. That's her 1:37:52.360 --> 1:37:55.439 artist's name. Her real name is Lashawan. She was signed 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:59.320 for Wild Pitch as Almond Joy doing it well, God 1:37:59.479 --> 1:37:59.920 flips on. 1:38:00.040 --> 1:38:03.240 I totally what's the name of the song on the 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:03.639 B side? 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:04.960 Totally awesome? 1:38:05.400 --> 1:38:11.320 Okay, I see so okay. In doing Ladies First, which 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:14.720 you know has has gone down in history, how did 1:38:14.720 --> 1:38:16.240 that collaboration come to be? 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:19.679 Well? Number one, I told you that Dave Funking client 1:38:19.720 --> 1:38:23.519 bought True Mathematics younger brothers ChIL Rubg and Queen Latifa 1:38:23.600 --> 1:38:25.360 to England and they did a stream of shows and 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:27.160 they were at Camden and that's where I met them. 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:27.479 Yeah. 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:31.320 Well, after that they had they drove over to England 1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:34.400 on a tour bus that they picked up in Germany 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:36.519 and it was a German bus driver. And he couldn't 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:39.120 make heads and tails of the UK maps to be 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:41.200 able to get from A to B to their next shows. 1:38:41.240 --> 1:38:44.080 So funking client asked me, would I mind riding the 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:46.080 bus with them getting the maps out, sitting next to 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:49.960 the bus driver to help me, which is why in 1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:55.960 the documentary that you did quest And when Shaquin was 1:38:55.960 --> 1:38:59.360 talking he said money was kind of like a tour guide. 1:38:59.439 --> 1:39:02.800 He's right. I was like a road manager at that 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:04.800 young age because I got the maps out. I was 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:06.320 sitting at the front of the bus with the bus 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:12.120 with the German. I was the GBS the original original series. 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:16.120 And from doing that we wound it up, and we 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.720 wound up excuse me. In Bristol one night they had 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:21.320 a show. It was on a barge. So it was 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:22.960 do you guys know what I mean when I say 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:29.400 barge right, it was like a house boat club, like 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:34.639 a club on a houseboat right on the river Virgin 1:39:34.840 --> 1:39:39.280 And okay, and so Latifa and I was in were 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:41.920 in the back. She was waiting like a little green 1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:44.880 room or what you know, if you may, and she 1:39:44.920 --> 1:39:46.680 and I were talking and she was like, you know, 1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:48.160 I heard you rhyme. You know I'm saying let me 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:49.599 hear it or something, and I gave her a looks up. 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:54.400 She's like, that's dope. Sound together. We didn't ladies first 1:39:54.479 --> 1:39:58.600 until maybe six seven months after that convers but that 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:02.080 was the night in Bristol or on a barge that 1:40:02.560 --> 1:40:06.120 Latif and I had the conversation about doing a song together. 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:15.439 Speaking of the uh, the the allure of native tongues. 1:40:16.600 --> 1:40:21.880 When do you officially, when do you officially feel like 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:26.120 the movement that was once the native tongues is over? Now? 1:40:27.200 --> 1:40:32.960 I still don't feel like that. Oh okay, yeah, maybe 1:40:33.000 --> 1:40:35.439 that's just me. I still don't feel like that. I 1:40:35.479 --> 1:40:37.880 don't feel like that. I think we're I think we 1:40:37.960 --> 1:40:42.280 are in the midst of the strangest and longest hiatus ever. 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:46.760 Okay, how but there was a period where it got 1:40:46.800 --> 1:40:49.280 awkward awkward. 1:40:49.320 --> 1:40:51.400 But no, no, that's a good word. No no, no, 1:40:51.520 --> 1:40:53.719 keep that it's a good word awkward. 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:57.960 And since and since you're my closest connection to Africa, 1:40:58.240 --> 1:41:01.840 and since I just paid about fifty bucks for that 1:41:02.000 --> 1:41:07.519 freaking record. Uh, they just re released the original Crazy 1:41:07.560 --> 1:41:13.040 Wisdom Masters, which is really not that different. They okay, 1:41:13.120 --> 1:41:15.720 so the third album after done by the Forces of 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:21.439 Naister was called crazy Wisdom Masters, and so I guess 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:23.680 the way that the story went was that by the 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.719 time that Benny Medina had really come at the Helm 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:31.880 of Warner Brothers, he was like, nah, it ain't happening right. 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:34.720 He sent the record back and then they made a 1:41:34.920 --> 1:41:39.200 crazier record. 1:41:37.840 --> 1:41:45.160 Which was I just I don't understand Africa. No, no, 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:46.360 I don't understand him. 1:41:46.720 --> 1:41:49.760 Wait he was you were on warners. 1:41:49.080 --> 1:41:52.559 I just yeah, but you would you would think that 1:41:53.080 --> 1:41:55.000 I don't know, I don't know. I just I guess 1:41:55.240 --> 1:42:00.439 I can't meet people and and have such close ties 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:03.559 with people and and have so much involvement with people 1:42:03.600 --> 1:42:07.479 and then just completely drop them afterwards. I don't know 1:42:07.520 --> 1:42:10.120 how to do that. He knows how to do that 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:11.040 very well. 1:42:12.479 --> 1:42:15.120 Yeah. 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:17.400 Did you even know that he was my oldest child's 1:42:17.439 --> 1:42:21.400 god and he forced himself to be like he really 1:42:21.400 --> 1:42:23.280 made it a big deal to be like I want 1:42:23.280 --> 1:42:28.200 to be her golf Like why because it's like years later. 1:42:28.960 --> 1:42:29.960 She doesn't even know him. 1:42:30.200 --> 1:42:35.160 He no, oh wow, Yeah, it's an interesting dude. But anyway, 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:36.040 you were saying. 1:42:36.000 --> 1:42:39.320 Well, no, I it just hit me now that he 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:42.720 was also I guess assuming that he was head of 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:47.680 your division as well. It's so weird because if I 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:52.080 could mark the sort of weird point of Warner Brothers, 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:55.799 at least with Kane's career, with Prince's career. 1:42:57.040 --> 1:43:01.840 Also he also he also or frustrated that whole Peter, 1:43:04.200 --> 1:43:05.880 that whole Prince thing with me. 1:43:06.040 --> 1:43:08.960 Right when he came aboard, things got a little different. 1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:11.000 Now I'm personally cool with him. 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:14.080 But Na when she know whack that was like Warner 1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:16.120 if you just I you were a DJ, if you 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:19.920 saw a Warner brother sticker and you knew it was 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:22.720 some bullshit off rip, you was like, nah, it's wanted 1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:24.880 this ship whack right, and. 1:43:25.400 --> 1:43:27.840 Ah, so yeah, I was going to ask what was 1:43:27.880 --> 1:43:32.400 it like being under that, Like did you did you 1:43:32.640 --> 1:43:35.400 have a relationship with Moe Austin at the time or 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:36.000 I didn't. 1:43:36.439 --> 1:43:41.320 I didn't. My relationship was Peter Edge, Benny Mezina time out. 1:43:41.360 --> 1:43:43.800 Peter Edge was at Warner too, Pizza. 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:47.559 Edge, I'll do better than at Wanna. Pizza Edge came 1:43:48.680 --> 1:43:52.160 from England to the United States to Warner Brothers, made 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:59.759 that transition during my first album. During my transition, Pizza 1:43:59.840 --> 1:44:02.719 Edge was my an r at Chrysalis, cool. 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:09.240 Tempo okay, yeah, so exactly. 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:12.280 So Peter Edge came from there with me. It was 1:44:12.320 --> 1:44:16.479 like the trinity. It was like my liver, Puddle and manager, 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:20.280 Steve Finnan and Peter Edge. Three of us came from 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:22.520 England to the United States. 1:44:23.280 --> 1:44:29.160 Peter Man like God, the there was a night where 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:31.519 listen a mayor. 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:33.720 I gave him so much ship. I gave him so 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:35.880 much ship about that Prince thing. I didn't want to 1:44:35.920 --> 1:44:38.400 do it. I was annoyed. I was like, what does 1:44:38.439 --> 1:44:40.599 this have to do with hip hop? I gave Peter 1:44:40.760 --> 1:44:44.840 Ridge so much ship and he was so smart, he 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:47.760 was just so smart with it. And I just the 1:44:47.800 --> 1:44:50.800 plane ride, the plane ride to Minneapolis, I was being 1:44:50.840 --> 1:44:53.680 a bitch. I don't want to be here. I don't 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:56.000 want to be on this plane. Why am I going 1:44:56.040 --> 1:44:58.639 to Minneapolis? What does Paisley have to do with hip hop? 1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:02.800 And I didn't prince at all, like you know, no, 1:45:03.120 --> 1:45:04.920 not even with his legacy. 1:45:05.000 --> 1:45:07.640 And I loved his I loved him for him, But 1:45:07.680 --> 1:45:09.679 you said I could not understand the mass. 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:13.120 You're afraid of your credibility of doing something? Absolutely yeah, 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:14.840 And the thing was from for me. 1:45:15.200 --> 1:45:17.120 It's just so interesting to hear the way you talk 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:20.000 about the money, because to me, in a word or two, 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:22.439 is the only time that Prince ever got hip hop 1:45:22.479 --> 1:45:27.719 halfway right, Like like, you know, I loved that song, 1:45:27.880 --> 1:45:29.960 you know what I'm saying. Like, I loved that song, 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:32.320 you know what I mean? And I thought I always 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:35.240 thought it was very unique. How you you know what 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:38.760 I'm saying. Were the MC were the only time that 1:45:38.840 --> 1:45:42.639 Prince ever got hip hop right because all the rest 1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:44.320 of that ship, when you tried to do some rap shit, 1:45:44.400 --> 1:45:48.920 that Gold Nigga album and all that shit, no. 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:51.400 No, But in a word or two, I love that song. 1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:54.040 I was like, what was it like? And how long 1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:55.240 did you stay at Paisley Park? 1:45:55.439 --> 1:45:59.160 Oh? My god, I was there forever he had. He 1:45:59.400 --> 1:46:02.160 made a comment for my husband at the time, he 1:46:02.240 --> 1:46:05.640 made accommendations for my brand new baby, which is Charlene. 1:46:06.120 --> 1:46:09.280 At the time, he was like, whatever it is going 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:11.240 to be to keep her happy, for her to be 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:14.920 here for a long period of time to work, That's 1:46:15.120 --> 1:46:18.080 where I'm going to have her. And even to the 1:46:18.080 --> 1:46:20.559 point where he had shows to do at Earl's Court 1:46:20.600 --> 1:46:22.719 in England. So I thought we were going to break 1:46:22.760 --> 1:46:23.960 and we were going to get to go back to 1:46:24.000 --> 1:46:27.720 New York for a little while. Nope, he made He 1:46:27.840 --> 1:46:30.320 pulled me and my husband and my brand new baby 1:46:30.560 --> 1:46:36.000 to England also for the duration of his shows in England. Also, wow, 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:37.240 the same hotel. 1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:42.600 Was the prime purpose to strictly write for Carmen or 1:46:42.720 --> 1:46:45.559 was it like, Okay, I'll do Carmen's album and I'll 1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:46.720 do your record as well. 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:49.080 Yes, that's what it was. Because See the thing is 1:46:49.080 --> 1:46:50.880 when Peter rech first sat me down and told me 1:46:50.880 --> 1:46:53.280 the whole thing. You know, he wants you to write 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:55.720 for Carmen Electure, I was like, all right, cool, but 1:46:55.800 --> 1:46:57.280 then it was like, and he's going to do a 1:46:57.280 --> 1:46:58.960 certain amount of songs on your album. That's when I 1:46:59.040 --> 1:47:04.639 was like, nahna that that's what I was like, why, why, 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:05.760 why can't I just do that? 1:47:08.840 --> 1:47:11.320 All right? So my first visit to Paisley Park one 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:15.040 of the most shocking things that I discovered. I went 1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:20.440 to his office is connected to like Studio A, and 1:47:20.840 --> 1:47:23.519 you know, while Fimi Jay I was sort of looking 1:47:23.520 --> 1:47:26.000 the other way, I snuck on Prince's office just to 1:47:26.040 --> 1:47:28.080 look at his record collection and see like what was 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:34.040 into So I saw a CD player and I was 1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:37.120 shocked that Midnight Marauders was in it. 1:47:37.720 --> 1:47:38.320 Oh wow. 1:47:38.439 --> 1:47:41.120 I was like, oh shit, Prince listen to tribe. That's crazy. 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:41.559 Wow. 1:47:41.880 --> 1:47:45.479 What was his IQ into? As far as like hip 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:48.080 I was concerned how much did he know about you? 1:47:48.160 --> 1:47:51.400 How much did he know about all those things? 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:53.760 He did not talk to me about native tongues, He 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.519 did not talk to me about hip hop period that 1:47:56.640 --> 1:48:03.080 he knew everything about me. He knew the songs that 1:48:03.160 --> 1:48:07.640 I had released prior to coming to America, prior to 1:48:07.760 --> 1:48:11.240 coming prior to being signed to because he knew my 1:48:11.320 --> 1:48:15.160 cool tempo. Shit, you know what I'm saying. He knew that. Yeah, 1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:18.120 he knew that ship. He even knew he even knew 1:48:18.160 --> 1:48:19.679 my Just Bad Productions release. 1:48:21.200 --> 1:48:23.959 As we remind our younger listening audience that the Internet 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:25.760 was not around at the time, So this is a 1:48:25.760 --> 1:48:26.240 big deal. 1:48:27.120 --> 1:48:31.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knew. He knew about me enough 1:48:31.960 --> 1:48:34.880 to be able to It wasn't just It really wasn't 1:48:34.880 --> 1:48:38.640 a cold working environment. It was going to be a 1:48:38.680 --> 1:48:42.120 teachable moment for you. Momy these weeks that your hair 1:48:42.479 --> 1:48:45.599 is going to be a teachable moment for you. Learn 1:48:47.600 --> 1:48:54.880 I learned. I learned to stop fighting fighting creativity because 1:48:54.880 --> 1:49:00.439 that entire experience with Prince was just a damn flusit 1:49:00.520 --> 1:49:03.640 flowing of creativity that I was fighting because of a 1:49:03.720 --> 1:49:07.840 general pig headed bias of non hip hop and I 1:49:07.880 --> 1:49:10.639 gotta stay hip hop and I can't. I can't get 1:49:10.680 --> 1:49:13.960 involved in any other type of influence of music to 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:19.160 interfere with my hip hop. Prince taught me to relax. 1:49:19.800 --> 1:49:23.559 Something you are the hip hop. Whatever you do is 1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:27.840 going to be the core of what you want to express, 1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:31.400 but allow some of the other sources to flow through 1:49:31.439 --> 1:49:34.200 you because it's going to make you grow on a 1:49:34.280 --> 1:49:35.080 creative level. 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:42.840 Exactly was there any fear or in trepidation in your 1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:49.640 husband at the time in his mind that Prince was 1:49:49.840 --> 1:49:54.800 just trying to groom you to being a long line 1:49:54.800 --> 1:49:58.839 of muse slash Prince Johns. 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:01.320 No, because I was too fat. I just had a baby, 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:01.760 right I was. 1:50:06.400 --> 1:50:09.720 Yeah. I think, yeah, I think the baby might have 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:10.320 saved you. 1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:15.360 You know. I mean although although listen to this, though 1:50:15.600 --> 1:50:19.000 he was with my Tay at the time, and he 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:24.479 this was prior to them their their child, you know. Blessed, 1:50:24.520 --> 1:50:26.400 Blessed the little angel in heaven. 1:50:27.720 --> 1:50:30.840 In fact, his name was a mirror Wow. 1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:35.320 Wow Wow, and and he had a fascination with babies 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:38.280 because he had me bring her to a show one 1:50:38.320 --> 1:50:39.960 of the shows that he did in Earth's Court when 1:50:39.960 --> 1:50:41.760 I had to go to England when he was doing 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:42.920 shows at Earth's Court. 1:50:43.240 --> 1:50:45.160 And I went to the show and I had her 1:50:45.160 --> 1:50:48.600 in my arms and during the middle of during an 1:50:48.640 --> 1:50:54.200 eight bar break in it, oh sexy, sexy, m f right, 1:50:55.520 --> 1:50:57.519 he came to the side of the stage and was like, 1:50:57.600 --> 1:51:02.240 go do eight bars right now. I'm like what, I 1:51:02.240 --> 1:51:03.800 had the baby in my arms. He was like, give 1:51:03.800 --> 1:51:04.360 me the baby. 1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:08.559 Yeah, really, yes, that's crazy, and. 1:51:08.680 --> 1:51:11.080 He said give me the baby. So I handed him Charlena. 1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:13.720 So he's standing at the side of the stage with 1:51:13.800 --> 1:51:15.719 Charlene and he's like, go ahead, go do eight bars. 1:51:16.840 --> 1:51:19.000 So I went out. I went out there, I totally 1:51:19.080 --> 1:51:21.600 blacked out did eight bars because it was shocked and 1:51:21.640 --> 1:51:24.760 it was fair and it was just like, I went 1:51:24.840 --> 1:51:26.400 I did the eight bars, I came back off, he 1:51:26.439 --> 1:51:30.000 handed me the baby. He ran back out and continued. 1:51:31.000 --> 1:51:33.360 And these are the things that he taught. He really 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:37.840 encouraged me to conquer any fears that I may have had, 1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:40.439 whether it be in performing or whether it be in creating, 1:51:41.160 --> 1:51:43.800 and pancakes are a real thing. Pancakes are a real thing. 1:51:44.400 --> 1:51:52.679 That pancakes are a real thing. Yes, yes, he made 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:55.800 me the pancakes dressed as Prince I don't wear. 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:02.280 Everything comes down to pan cakes in this particular episode fantastic. 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:04.840 Oh my god, it was really it was. It was 1:52:04.880 --> 1:52:07.800 so strange, but but I didn't realize. I didn't make 1:52:07.800 --> 1:52:10.280 the connection until years later when I was watching the 1:52:10.360 --> 1:52:13.720 Chappelle Show m hm, and then I was like, and 1:52:13.760 --> 1:52:16.679 then I was like, holy ship, he does this pancake ship? 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:21.120 He does that? 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:23.320 Does this mean most that you were actually in the 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:25.519 studio with Carmen Electra, like you had. 1:52:25.360 --> 1:52:29.280 To, dude. She wrote everything go all this ship? 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:30.200 So what is that like? 1:52:30.200 --> 1:52:30.280 Like? 1:52:30.320 --> 1:52:31.599 Because this is the first. 1:52:31.400 --> 1:52:34.040 Time I want to ask about all that. 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:39.360 Now because no, we there, We're there there. 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:42.840 Right, Okay, So for those who don't know, in one 1:52:42.880 --> 1:52:45.719 of these strangest what was what was the old boy's 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:49.920 name that Jane Finder used to be married to? Wasn't 1:52:49.920 --> 1:52:58.559 he would like colorize all his classics? Yeah? And right, 1:52:59.400 --> 1:53:05.880 So for Prince fans, he took the Adore reels and 1:53:07.760 --> 1:53:16.280 redid a door with Carmen called all that and yeah, 1:53:15.360 --> 1:53:21.000 it didn't go down to too well. But what was 1:53:21.040 --> 1:53:27.040 it like working with Karma Karma Carmen at the time period? 1:53:27.560 --> 1:53:30.439 I mean you you basically built her, You built it was. 1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:35.679 It was fun. It was fun. She's she's absolutely, she's 1:53:35.880 --> 1:53:38.320 she was. Actually she was actually the hip hop fan 1:53:38.400 --> 1:53:39.960 in the room. 1:53:40.240 --> 1:53:40.599 Wow. 1:53:41.080 --> 1:53:43.639 Really yeah, because because where's Carmen from? 1:53:44.520 --> 1:53:47.000 I can't remember? But it was ghetto as fuck, really 1:53:47.479 --> 1:53:51.840 really really really yeah, like it was. 1:53:52.080 --> 1:53:54.599 It was And she didn't come in the door as 1:53:54.760 --> 1:53:58.719 that image or that name. So during this period you're 1:53:59.560 --> 1:54:02.280 getting to know her as whatever, what is it? What 1:54:02.439 --> 1:54:08.320 is it? Room Electric? Damn? It's terribly Patrick, Damn. How 1:54:08.320 --> 1:54:09.520 did you know that? 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:13.080 Because I got because I got Google, Bitch, you knew 1:54:13.160 --> 1:54:14.719 that already. 1:54:14.800 --> 1:54:18.559 Yeah, comfortable. That came from a recalled memory. 1:54:22.600 --> 1:54:25.960 Does it say where she's from. 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:27.439 Working on that as we spoke, Yeah, because he has 1:54:27.520 --> 1:54:30.920 just because I don't know off the top exactly she's 1:54:30.920 --> 1:54:33.200 from Sharonville, Ohio exactly. 1:54:34.880 --> 1:54:36.920 Can you go meth lab? There you go? 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:41.880 Right, the four meth labs were a thing. She was 1:54:41.920 --> 1:54:44.440 like the first meth labber An Electric could have been 1:54:44.880 --> 1:54:46.680 she could have been the first Nikki Minaj at. 1:54:46.520 --> 1:54:47.960 This bitch exactly. 1:54:48.080 --> 1:54:48.840 Well, he tried it. 1:54:49.880 --> 1:54:52.240 Let's see what what I'm saying is, I remember that 1:54:52.320 --> 1:54:55.000 she was from some place that that wasn't you know, 1:54:55.320 --> 1:55:00.600 hoity toity, you know, pretty city. She he was from 1:55:00.600 --> 1:55:03.920 someplace rough. And that's from speaking to her and and 1:55:04.480 --> 1:55:06.760 developing a friendship in a relationship with her to this 1:55:06.840 --> 1:55:09.200 day me and Carmen a lecture a call to this, 1:55:09.480 --> 1:55:11.760 you know what I'm saying, which is so dope, but 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:14.120 to this day, and that's that was the rap fan, 1:55:14.200 --> 1:55:15.800 and that was the real hip hop fan in the 1:55:15.840 --> 1:55:18.879 in the in the room. Is that way she knew everything, 1:55:19.480 --> 1:55:21.480 She knew everything, she knew everyone. 1:55:21.600 --> 1:55:26.200 I could tell she was a fan, like you know, wow. 1:55:26.040 --> 1:55:29.480 Yeah, which is which is another reason why like which 1:55:29.520 --> 1:55:33.720 is another reason why she caught my ship Like this, 1:55:34.320 --> 1:55:39.120 like this, and I write, I don't write specifically to 1:55:39.280 --> 1:55:43.960 cater to uh people that can't breathe, you know what 1:55:44.000 --> 1:55:49.360 I'm saying, Like, I write specifically intricate. I write in 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:51.800 a manner in which I don't want people to be 1:55:51.880 --> 1:55:57.080 able to recite my ryme. Yeah, that's how I write, 1:55:57.200 --> 1:56:01.640 you know. I specifically write complicated, double double. 1:56:03.120 --> 1:56:17.280 I still can't say the word Mary Lee exactly. You 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:27.120 can't say to either, oh my gosh, Charlie Patrick, what 1:56:31.000 --> 1:56:31.400 I'm here? 1:56:32.440 --> 1:56:37.200 But yeah, she she that girl is incredible. She's and 1:56:37.200 --> 1:56:40.400 it's like she's not the first person. She's not the 1:56:40.440 --> 1:56:43.680 first woman to have although it might be the first 1:56:43.680 --> 1:56:46.160 woman with her lyrics written by a woman. The first 1:56:46.200 --> 1:56:49.640 woman is Rhyman with her lyrics written by another woman. 1:56:49.720 --> 1:56:54.800 That might be a first exactly, But she caught everything 1:56:55.320 --> 1:56:58.280 she caught. And that's why I bet you when you 1:56:58.360 --> 1:57:01.360 heard get On Right, I bet you when you heard 1:57:01.440 --> 1:57:06.200 that song you said to yourself, that sounds like money. 1:57:09.200 --> 1:57:14.920 No, I mean you know I knew that someone. I 1:57:15.280 --> 1:57:17.480 believe that at the time, the same could be safe 1:57:17.480 --> 1:57:23.080 for Tony m there there. It was like that the 1:57:23.200 --> 1:57:27.480 DNA was real hip hop at the time, like what 1:57:27.760 --> 1:57:30.240 you were doing when rock Him was doing, what Kine 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:39.560 was doing, like all that iambic pentameter. You know so, yes, 1:57:40.760 --> 1:57:48.320 moan so in your transition to radio, how awkward was 1:57:48.360 --> 1:57:50.360 it at the time in doing that? 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:55.040 Not awkward at all. I didn't. Again, again, I can't. 1:57:55.120 --> 1:57:57.640 I can't even say diversiac. So you know, I'll be. 1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:01.000 Hold on. 1:58:01.080 --> 1:58:05.080 You just turned into a different bird. It's like, there 1:58:05.120 --> 1:58:07.160 should be no reason why I sho know syrh I 1:58:07.200 --> 1:58:10.440 know syranh though, Okay, I would just say take the 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:13.280 diverse rect I like it. Take the dice you, Steve Barton, 1:58:13.320 --> 1:58:22.600 there you go. References on the phone for you up man, Wow, 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:26.920 what timing anything like that or in proper nowns that 1:58:26.960 --> 1:58:28.280 Amir does not know how to. 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:34.720 Say, Mary Lee, Oh damn. 1:58:36.880 --> 1:58:42.840 You were not cricature. Best wedding gift ever. 1:58:43.040 --> 1:58:48.600 The caricature You're still clutching something loud and wrong, so loud, 1:58:48.640 --> 1:58:49.320 go loud. 1:58:49.080 --> 1:58:51.640 Proud and you said that loudly. 1:58:52.600 --> 1:58:54.640 Yeah, full of people. 1:58:55.040 --> 1:58:56.400 It was a lovely cricature. 1:58:56.560 --> 1:58:58.640 Me and my wife at his wedding. 1:58:58.640 --> 1:59:01.400 They gave everybody their own care and we all like 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:03.480 what was like, what the fricature? 1:59:05.360 --> 1:59:07.320 Yes, so money you need to teach these guys. Maybe 1:59:07.320 --> 1:59:08.000 some English. 1:59:07.760 --> 1:59:10.800 Lessons, Yeah, I ambic pentameter, what the fuck? 1:59:11.040 --> 1:59:13.040 Go ahead? Well yeah, but the thing is money is 1:59:13.080 --> 1:59:16.520 that assuming that you didn't go to communications school to 1:59:17.800 --> 1:59:20.000 learn to do this in front sale and back sale 1:59:20.120 --> 1:59:23.760 or whatever. See, I'm even forgetting the terms for a radio. 1:59:25.040 --> 1:59:27.040 How how much of a crash course did it take 1:59:27.080 --> 1:59:29.040 for you to master it? 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:32.120 It was like night school, and honestly, a whole sitcom 1:59:32.160 --> 1:59:35.960 could be made out of night school on radio actually 1:59:36.280 --> 1:59:39.400 learning how to broadcast during the unsociable hours of the 1:59:39.440 --> 1:59:41.880 morning to the point, to the point. And it was 1:59:41.960 --> 1:59:43.760 me and miss Jones together. 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:48.560 Fuck it was Miss Jones. Yeah, you started in Philly. 1:59:49.600 --> 1:59:52.120 No, we both saw it at Hot ninety seven in 1:59:52.200 --> 1:59:52.680 New York. 1:59:53.280 --> 1:59:54.240 Okay, okay. 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:56.000 And Steve Smith? 1:59:56.240 --> 1:59:58.640 Who what did that? Who offered that? How did that 1:59:58.680 --> 1:59:59.040 come to be? 2:00:00.480 --> 2:00:02.880 They had they had ed and Dre in the morning, 2:00:02.920 --> 2:00:05.440 they had funk Master Flex, they had Angie from whatever 2:00:05.480 --> 2:00:09.920 station it was before flipped and they kept Angie and uh, 2:00:10.600 --> 2:00:13.560 somebody's bright idea to Steve Smith, who was the person 2:00:13.560 --> 2:00:16.400 that flipped the station, was like, you should seek out 2:00:16.400 --> 2:00:21.520 some other bonafide potential personalities that you think would fit. 2:00:22.320 --> 2:00:24.520 My manager got the call to bring me in to 2:00:24.560 --> 2:00:26.320 meet with Steve Smith. I went in. He said, how 2:00:26.320 --> 2:00:28.040 do you feel about being on the radio? And I 2:00:28.080 --> 2:00:33.280 said for why? Like why would I want to be 2:00:33.320 --> 2:00:33.920 on the radio? 2:00:35.200 --> 2:00:37.360 You know at the time, are you still were you eat? 2:00:37.440 --> 2:00:38.560 Were you auditioning still? 2:00:38.640 --> 2:00:41.000 Or you were just like the one one acting thing 2:00:41.040 --> 2:00:42.840 that I'm out or was that before I'm trying to 2:00:42.840 --> 2:00:44.280 put the timeline together. 2:00:44.240 --> 2:00:45.000 Doing what now? 2:00:45.320 --> 2:00:45.680 Acting? 2:00:45.680 --> 2:00:47.040 What did I miss acting? 2:00:47.080 --> 2:00:48.200 Because she did? 2:00:48.560 --> 2:00:50.160 I did? Who's the man? And strapped? 2:00:50.360 --> 2:00:50.760 Strapped? 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:54.960 Yeah, yeah, I mean that type of stuff was happening then. 2:00:55.000 --> 2:00:57.080 I was still recording music, you know. So it's like, 2:00:57.120 --> 2:00:58.280 what do I want to be in a radio for? 2:00:58.360 --> 2:01:00.600 I know nothing about being on the radio, Steve Swistel, 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:02.640 Because like, I will teach you and I will get 2:01:02.680 --> 2:01:05.480 your FCC license for you. What the heck is an 2:01:05.560 --> 2:01:06.440 FCC license? 2:01:06.640 --> 2:01:08.880 To day? I was going to ask that and do 2:01:09.000 --> 2:01:09.480 we need it? 2:01:09.640 --> 2:01:09.880 No? 2:01:10.080 --> 2:01:13.240 But you no, you don't. But you on terrestrial radio 2:01:13.320 --> 2:01:15.879 you had to have an FCC license back in the days. 2:01:17.400 --> 2:01:20.600 Be able to pronounce terrestrial radio. Yeah, I was going 2:01:20.680 --> 2:01:23.800 to skip that word because you know. 2:01:23.080 --> 2:01:25.560 And where you and where you got secrets? 2:01:25.560 --> 2:01:27.560 Because I know sometimes see in radio they let you 2:01:27.600 --> 2:01:29.360 come in at night too, because they want to surprise 2:01:29.440 --> 2:01:32.680 everybody and be like, hey, and mony love is. 2:01:32.640 --> 2:01:33.680 Now to the radio station. 2:01:34.080 --> 2:01:36.600 Yet they didn't announce us as announces yet, but they 2:01:36.680 --> 2:01:38.480 were training us. And let me tell you something, me 2:01:38.520 --> 2:01:43.440 and miss Jones would be messing up badly at night time. 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:46.560 They'd they'd be dead there for like forty five minutes 2:01:46.920 --> 2:01:49.160 and then then and then the mics will be up 2:01:49.200 --> 2:01:51.880 and we're talking about I hate that guy. I went 2:01:51.920 --> 2:01:53.400 out with him and he was such a piece of 2:01:53.400 --> 2:01:56.400 ship and did and then she get a phone call like, uh, 2:01:56.560 --> 2:02:02.400 you guys have the microphone on. No, like we was 2:02:02.560 --> 2:02:05.440 doing the dumb ship at night time. It was like, 2:02:05.840 --> 2:02:09.640 you know, three four o'clock in the morning, and Limus 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:12.280 Jones was just fucking up badly. 2:02:13.720 --> 2:02:19.760 Well, I consider this to be a lucky opportunity because 2:02:20.640 --> 2:02:24.520 you know, I'm on a platform on iHeart, but I 2:02:24.600 --> 2:02:28.080 kind of have some say in who I get to interview, 2:02:28.400 --> 2:02:31.960 and I tend to gravitate to my tribe and who 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:34.920 I like and who I know. I've given a bunch 2:02:34.960 --> 2:02:35.960 of news to people. 2:02:35.960 --> 2:02:40.280 Thats going no, no, no, I didn't even get there yet. 2:02:40.440 --> 2:02:51.200 But in doing to restre l, I don't know, just 2:02:54.360 --> 2:02:59.160 four syllables is killing me right now. And doing terrestrial 2:03:01.000 --> 2:03:07.120 extra terrestrial radio. In terrestrial radio, yeah, you don't necessarily 2:03:07.280 --> 2:03:10.880 have a say in not even who you play, but 2:03:11.560 --> 2:03:15.720 who you interview and all those things. So how do 2:03:15.760 --> 2:03:19.600 you handle when you're you know, if you're five six 2:03:19.680 --> 2:03:24.360 years in and you're interviewing your artists that you are 2:03:24.400 --> 2:03:28.600 indifferent on or you don't know even now, Like if 2:03:28.720 --> 2:03:32.280 NBA nothing against NBA, young boy, I'm just picking the 2:03:32.280 --> 2:03:37.160 one one gen z name that everyone knows. Like how 2:03:37.200 --> 2:03:40.400 much research do you have or do your producers already 2:03:40.400 --> 2:03:44.280 write the questions out or no? If you just go 2:03:44.360 --> 2:03:45.840 off the lead sheet what they tell. 2:03:45.720 --> 2:03:48.640 You, No, you you You got to read up on it. 2:03:48.680 --> 2:03:50.200 If it's something you if it's a person that you 2:03:50.200 --> 2:03:53.120 don't particularly care for, but you know, an interview is 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:57.320 demanded of that person because of whatever is going on. Uh, 2:03:57.560 --> 2:03:59.960 they got something new coming out, they have a project whatever, 2:04:00.000 --> 2:04:01.640 buth blah blah blah, whatever it is, that makes sense, 2:04:01.680 --> 2:04:02.880 you have to read up on him and do a 2:04:02.880 --> 2:04:05.720 little history so that you can prepare your questions. Doesn't 2:04:05.760 --> 2:04:07.040 matter if you like him or not. You got to 2:04:07.040 --> 2:04:09.320 put your personal shit behind you. Which is why I 2:04:09.320 --> 2:04:11.520 couldn't understand that Penis Morgan guy. 2:04:12.080 --> 2:04:18.280 That was Yeah, well that's called white privilege. But that's 2:04:18.320 --> 2:04:19.320 another conversation. 2:04:20.480 --> 2:04:23.400 Well it's also male tox sixty. I didn't realize that 2:04:23.480 --> 2:04:26.760 he I didn't even realize that he had a relationship 2:04:26.760 --> 2:04:27.720 with Megan Markle. 2:04:28.720 --> 2:04:35.440 He tried sociopathic lower scale. But sociopathic narcissist is what 2:04:35.480 --> 2:04:36.280 that person is. 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:46.480 Penis my Penis Myers. Yes, yes, Penis Morgan, there is 2:04:46.560 --> 2:04:47.280 you know what you. 2:04:47.240 --> 2:04:49.640 Know what I said something. I was having a conversation 2:04:49.720 --> 2:04:52.480 with my oldest daughter about it, right, and I said 2:04:52.480 --> 2:04:53.920 to her, I was like, if I had to give 2:04:53.960 --> 2:04:56.440 you a quick analogy of what that whole situation was 2:04:56.520 --> 2:05:00.400 between the Penis Morgan guy and Magel Megan Marco, it 2:05:00.440 --> 2:05:02.480 would be this. Remember back in the days when a 2:05:02.520 --> 2:05:06.000 girl were brought past a bunch of guys. He'd be like, baby, 2:05:06.000 --> 2:05:09.240 what's up, what's up? And you don't answer, and then 2:05:09.280 --> 2:05:12.600 the guy goes, fuck you there, bitch. That's that. 2:05:12.600 --> 2:05:17.600 That's what there was. Yes, got you got curved. 2:05:19.360 --> 2:05:21.480 Yeah, because she didn't show up today. She met Harry 2:05:21.560 --> 2:05:21.880 that night. 2:05:22.080 --> 2:05:33.280 And story that's that whom Harry appears. 2:05:33.320 --> 2:05:38.800 Okay, let's get into it. Oh you know the thing is, 2:05:38.880 --> 2:05:40.400 I don't know this story. 2:05:43.520 --> 2:05:46.680 It's perfect if she's sitting here because she is the 2:05:46.720 --> 2:05:48.440 reason why the ship went viral. 2:05:49.320 --> 2:05:54.400 Well yeah, because well yes, because. 2:05:54.240 --> 2:05:56.000 As Moni said, we were on we were on the 2:05:56.040 --> 2:05:58.960 morning show together and it was funny because we knew 2:05:59.440 --> 2:06:02.240 was coming. But everybody was really kind of more scared 2:06:02.280 --> 2:06:04.040 of what I was going to say to him, and 2:06:04.080 --> 2:06:05.800 I thought that was the fascinating part. 2:06:06.000 --> 2:06:08.520 Everybody was preparing me, like, you know, don't say this 2:06:08.560 --> 2:06:09.880 because at the time I. 2:06:09.960 --> 2:06:15.120 Was let me just add that if y'all think, like 2:06:15.280 --> 2:06:20.120 we're on at least what episode one, one six right now, 2:06:21.160 --> 2:06:25.040 If y'all think is unhindl on this show, well not yet. 2:06:25.040 --> 2:06:27.360 But he's the only person I know that would routine 2:06:27.640 --> 2:06:31.080 Jailey like talk ship about jay Z. 2:06:31.560 --> 2:06:33.120 I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing. 2:06:33.200 --> 2:06:35.560 Well, Money Money was there that day too where I 2:06:35.600 --> 2:06:40.960 got warned about us, and the problem was in the mirror. 2:06:41.000 --> 2:06:41.160 You know. 2:06:41.200 --> 2:06:42.800 The real problem was is that I was like a 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:47.520 whole roots warrior chick, right, So I was just like, and. 2:06:47.640 --> 2:06:50.400 I was on, you're about to stop the bag like that. 2:06:50.880 --> 2:06:53.960 Z was like, it's true, but it's true that person 2:06:54.080 --> 2:06:54.560 to say that. 2:06:54.680 --> 2:06:57.640 No, no, yeah, But at the time that was when 2:06:57.640 --> 2:06:59.320 the Roots was on Deaf Jam and as we know 2:06:59.400 --> 2:07:02.280 all Pitt Pop fans, no, he didn't really do much 2:07:02.320 --> 2:07:04.480 for the Roots brand, and I was like, what the fuck? 2:07:04.560 --> 2:07:07.200 So yes, I asked him those questions. But anyway, and anyway, 2:07:07.240 --> 2:07:13.480 so back to Gez though, Yeah, so I was the 2:07:13.480 --> 2:07:15.160 one that was the girl that would you know, crush 2:07:15.240 --> 2:07:17.280 fifty cent CDs Live on the air and stuff like that, 2:07:17.320 --> 2:07:18.640 because I was just like, what is this ship is 2:07:18.720 --> 2:07:19.560 killing the black community? 2:07:19.600 --> 2:07:20.280 Da da da da dae. 2:07:20.320 --> 2:07:21.880 Monie would even pull me to the side and say, like, 2:07:22.080 --> 2:07:24.160 you know, be calm when he comes, just let him talk. 2:07:24.320 --> 2:07:25.360 Blah blah blah blah. 2:07:25.400 --> 2:07:29.000 Okay, money cool cool mony. So but then he comes 2:07:29.040 --> 2:07:31.440 and I'm cool. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. 2:07:33.400 --> 2:07:36.040 And this is this is the period when NAS had 2:07:36.080 --> 2:07:37.080 the what hip Hop Is Dead? 2:07:37.160 --> 2:07:37.480 Album? 2:07:37.640 --> 2:07:44.520 Yeah, yes, yes, And now, Monie, this is where you 2:07:44.520 --> 2:07:45.480 pick up the conversation. 2:07:45.600 --> 2:07:50.200 Now keep going, I will, I'll chime in. 2:07:51.760 --> 2:07:52.120 Okay. 2:07:52.600 --> 2:07:54.400 So we're talking about hip hop and I cannot remember 2:07:54.440 --> 2:07:57.120 how Pooch picked how he started the conversation about hip 2:07:57.120 --> 2:08:00.280 hop being dead, but money it was like she got 2:08:00.280 --> 2:08:03.120 the holy hip hop spirit and she was like, yeah, 2:08:03.320 --> 2:08:04.400 hip hop is dead. 2:08:04.800 --> 2:08:06.320 Now. Jeez didn't like that. 2:08:06.960 --> 2:08:08.160 No, okay, now I need to stop. 2:08:08.200 --> 2:08:11.400 He okay, O correct me. 2:08:11.600 --> 2:08:14.200 So, yes, Poosh brought something up about you know, how 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:16.640 do you feel? He asked Gezi the question, how do 2:08:16.640 --> 2:08:19.800 you feel about NAS's new album and his saying that 2:08:19.920 --> 2:08:22.640 hip hop is dead, and so JIZI basically said, well, 2:08:22.760 --> 2:08:26.160 I feel like, how can you really say that? Like, 2:08:26.200 --> 2:08:28.520 I don't really think that that's accurate to say that, 2:08:28.560 --> 2:08:31.320 because that's how that's how I make my living, that's 2:08:31.360 --> 2:08:34.520 how a lot of us are making our living. We 2:08:34.600 --> 2:08:37.560 got stuff to say still, and so then I then 2:08:37.640 --> 2:08:39.800 jumped in on us and he was He was like, 2:08:39.840 --> 2:08:41.960 who is he to say that? And I was like, well, 2:08:42.200 --> 2:08:45.760 I think that what Nas is trying to say in 2:08:45.880 --> 2:08:50.800 that analogy is that once upon a time there was 2:08:50.840 --> 2:08:54.520 there there were several aspects of hip hop that were 2:08:54.560 --> 2:08:58.360 all getting light. All of them were getting light. It 2:08:58.440 --> 2:09:01.040 wasn't just it was the aks this stuff. It's the 2:09:01.120 --> 2:09:04.600 political stuff, it's the happy we just hit a party 2:09:04.800 --> 2:09:05.960 type stuff. 2:09:05.720 --> 2:09:08.440 And definitely the stuff getting played on the radio right and. 2:09:08.400 --> 2:09:11.280 Then the more commercial stuff. It was it was all 2:09:11.320 --> 2:09:13.560 of those aspects of hip hop that we're all getting 2:09:13.640 --> 2:09:16.000 equal light. And I think what Nas was trying to 2:09:16.040 --> 2:09:18.040 say at this time, and this is me talking to Jesz, 2:09:18.400 --> 2:09:20.200 so I think what Nas is trying to say at 2:09:20.200 --> 2:09:22.760 this time is that right now it's all one sided. 2:09:23.200 --> 2:09:27.480 It's all about the street life and and and and 2:09:27.640 --> 2:09:30.000 the bitches and the and the money and the cars 2:09:30.040 --> 2:09:32.400 and the this and the that, and that's not everything. 2:09:33.440 --> 2:09:39.280 So the the the aspect of hip hop's multifaceted self 2:09:40.240 --> 2:09:44.120 is dead right now. I think that's what nas is 2:09:44.160 --> 2:09:46.120 trying to say in that analogy. 2:09:46.440 --> 2:09:48.280 Yes, and at this time Gzi was not ready for 2:09:48.280 --> 2:09:52.880 that intellectual breakdown. And at this moment, I'm not sure, 2:09:53.960 --> 2:09:55.520 I think me and if we were not sure due 2:09:55.560 --> 2:09:57.520 to his response to money and money you break down 2:09:57.520 --> 2:09:59.080 the response because again okay, so. 2:09:59.000 --> 2:10:01.080 Then after that, so that after that, he was like 2:10:01.560 --> 2:10:05.600 he he kind of got animated in his speech pattern 2:10:05.640 --> 2:10:08.000 and was like, well, you know, you got a whole 2:10:08.000 --> 2:10:10.920 different type of appreciation of hip hop, ain't you from England? 2:10:10.960 --> 2:10:13.200 And so then I was like, so this is when. 2:10:13.080 --> 2:10:16.839 Me and pooshe realize he don't know who he talking 2:10:16.880 --> 2:10:17.760 to right now? 2:10:21.600 --> 2:10:24.680 Yes, well that's what that's what he thinks, because she 2:10:24.760 --> 2:10:26.040 said that said it. 2:10:26.080 --> 2:10:27.720 I was I said it on the mic. I was like, 2:10:28.240 --> 2:10:30.160 who you know who you're talking to right now? Right? 2:10:31.160 --> 2:10:33.200 I swear to god. He didn't say money love. 2:10:34.400 --> 2:10:38.600 He was like, yeah, you were that money love. 2:10:39.000 --> 2:10:41.200 He was like, you got a whole different appreciation to 2:10:41.520 --> 2:10:44.000 you know what. You know, we grew, we came up 2:10:44.120 --> 2:10:46.000 listening to something else, And in my head, I'm saying 2:10:46.000 --> 2:10:49.080 to myself, dude, you're not that much younger than me, 2:10:49.480 --> 2:10:52.760 Like that's that's not gonna fly. You're not that much 2:10:52.840 --> 2:10:55.120 younger to me. It's not that big of a difference. 2:10:55.320 --> 2:10:57.959 And yes, I came up in in uh in England, 2:10:58.160 --> 2:11:01.000 but it's the same hip hop. So basically we should 2:11:01.000 --> 2:11:05.240 we should be pulling from the same waters, the same streams, 2:11:05.640 --> 2:11:05.960 let me. 2:11:05.960 --> 2:11:09.760 Interrupt, to his credit, not to his credit, but hip 2:11:09.760 --> 2:11:13.360 hop generations. It's like, if you're before the five or 2:11:13.400 --> 2:11:16.800 after the five is night and day. So me being 2:11:16.800 --> 2:11:20.800 born in seventy one, like anyone born after seventy five 2:11:20.920 --> 2:11:22.680 is almost like you might they might as well be 2:11:22.680 --> 2:11:23.600 twenty years younger. 2:11:23.800 --> 2:11:25.120 You know why that doesn't make sense to me. I'm 2:11:25.120 --> 2:11:25.640 gonna tell you why. 2:11:25.760 --> 2:11:31.080 Exceptione, Wait, were you born I want seventy eight? Yeah, 2:11:31.160 --> 2:11:36.560 like Fante has like a savants knowledge of music, but 2:11:36.720 --> 2:11:39.120 anyone else I know, in seventy eight, I might as 2:11:39.160 --> 2:11:41.080 well be talking to someone born now eighty six. 2:11:41.280 --> 2:11:42.840 As I sit here and I listen to you as 2:11:42.840 --> 2:11:44.280 I sit here and I listen to you say that, 2:11:44.360 --> 2:11:48.080 I'm going to say this. I now have an appreciation 2:11:48.360 --> 2:11:53.080 for that factor. And so now right now I'll say, 2:11:53.120 --> 2:11:56.680 you know what, he really could have been on some 2:11:56.800 --> 2:12:00.800 different for real, genuinely on a different lanes and pulled 2:12:00.800 --> 2:12:03.960 from a different string. But back then I was looking 2:12:04.000 --> 2:12:07.000 at it like, dude, you're not getting a young card. 2:12:07.240 --> 2:12:09.400 You're not that much younger than me. We should have 2:12:09.400 --> 2:12:12.160 been pulling from the same streams. Why are you not 2:12:12.400 --> 2:12:17.240 understanding this? Why are you not understanding NAS's analogy? Why 2:12:17.280 --> 2:12:19.760 are you not understanding it? That's where my head was 2:12:19.840 --> 2:12:22.880 at that moment. And then it was it was, it 2:12:22.920 --> 2:12:28.240 was worsened. It was worsened because I am I don't 2:12:28.400 --> 2:12:34.200 do well with over talking men, right, I don't do well? 2:12:34.400 --> 2:12:35.400 How are you on this show? 2:12:37.520 --> 2:12:38.840 She's just against. 2:12:42.880 --> 2:12:43.280 Each other? 2:12:45.120 --> 2:12:47.400 When his ass stood up though, because that's the part 2:12:47.400 --> 2:12:49.360 I was trying to remember, That's the part when I 2:12:49.400 --> 2:12:49.920 was like, wait. 2:12:49.800 --> 2:12:51.400 What what's going on? Why are you standing. 2:12:52.800 --> 2:12:53.200 Physical? 2:12:53.440 --> 2:12:55.320 No, he was about to know he's about to roll. 2:12:56.160 --> 2:12:58.520 He was, he was. He was like, well, who is 2:12:58.640 --> 2:13:08.440 NAS to say this anyway? And at that point, okay, okay, okay, 2:13:08.560 --> 2:13:12.760 so okay, so y'all remember Kim Wayne's and her missus Jenkins. 2:13:13.120 --> 2:13:18.720 Uh, you ain't heard it from me? Oh, don't you 2:13:18.720 --> 2:13:20.760 talk about miss Yeah? 2:13:22.040 --> 2:13:28.480 Okay, okay, start crying, okay, okay, don't talk about don't 2:13:28.520 --> 2:13:30.600 don't talk don't don't talk about nas. Don't do that. 2:13:31.520 --> 2:13:36.520 Don't do that. Don't do that. That's a bad idea. 2:13:37.320 --> 2:13:39.200 And so he stood up and was like, who is 2:13:39.400 --> 2:13:42.280 nas to say this? And I was like, oh, oh, 2:13:43.080 --> 2:13:45.120 and now you will tell you when I hit that 2:13:45.280 --> 2:13:48.320 note of the oh, it's a problem when I when 2:13:48.360 --> 2:13:49.880 you hear me say, oh. 2:13:50.280 --> 2:13:52.680 I thought it was it was a Nazis hip hop? 2:13:52.720 --> 2:13:53.880 Was it a Nazis hip hop? 2:13:53.960 --> 2:13:56.360 He was likens? 2:13:57.320 --> 2:14:01.120 And then I was wait when he was like when 2:14:01.120 --> 2:14:03.520 he said, who is not to say that? And I 2:14:03.680 --> 2:14:06.320 was like, somebody that's been here for a very long time. 2:14:06.680 --> 2:14:16.520 And when he says that, I was not gun got 2:14:16.560 --> 2:14:20.320 niggas in the Feds. And I was like, and at 2:14:20.360 --> 2:14:23.000 that point, if you watch the video, you will hear 2:14:23.080 --> 2:14:27.160 me mumbling on the mic in a low mono tone voice, 2:14:27.840 --> 2:14:31.240 it's dead. You just killed hip hop right now. It's dead, 2:14:31.320 --> 2:14:33.560 right now, it's dead, right, it's dead right now? With 2:14:33.640 --> 2:14:36.160 everything you're saying right now is dead. You just killed it. 2:14:36.200 --> 2:14:38.200 You just stabbed it, you just shot it, you just 2:14:38.280 --> 2:14:43.600 killed it. You hear me, You hear me saying that 2:14:43.640 --> 2:14:47.200 at that point underneath. Now, in hindsight, I look back 2:14:47.240 --> 2:14:49.600 at it, and I'm like, what I was trying to 2:14:49.680 --> 2:14:53.840 relay to Giz in that interview is was simply that 2:14:54.480 --> 2:14:57.240 the analogy that NAS was making wasn't wasn't to be 2:14:57.320 --> 2:15:01.960 disrespectful towards him and his second term that the hip 2:15:01.960 --> 2:15:05.920 hop Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't anything to disrespect that 2:15:06.280 --> 2:15:08.640 it was. It was something that was It was an analogy 2:15:08.600 --> 2:15:10.920 that was made to bring light to the fact that 2:15:11.480 --> 2:15:15.680 all the facets of hip hop music were not being 2:15:15.720 --> 2:15:18.880 given and shown the same light and the same level 2:15:19.000 --> 2:15:22.440 of respect at that moment in time. That's all NAS 2:15:22.560 --> 2:15:26.960 was saying with that analogy at that time. But Jeeze 2:15:27.080 --> 2:15:31.600 took offense, you know, And in hindsight I understand he 2:15:31.600 --> 2:15:34.320 took offense. He took it personally like it was a 2:15:34.360 --> 2:15:39.680 dig at him, right, So I get that part. Also, 2:15:39.680 --> 2:15:43.280 perhaps the way that I was speaking in because I 2:15:43.320 --> 2:15:45.280 was calling him brother and I was trying to be 2:15:45.360 --> 2:15:48.040 polite and respectful while I was speaking to him, he 2:15:48.080 --> 2:15:49.920 wasn't trying to hear He wasn't trying to hear that. 2:15:50.000 --> 2:15:55.360 I think that's probably just Ego and Bravado being young. 2:15:55.600 --> 2:15:58.600 And I was also trying to trying to have a 2:15:58.640 --> 2:16:02.720 teachable moment with him as far as to say, protect 2:16:03.280 --> 2:16:08.160 all the facets of hip hop today. Otherwise in ten 2:16:08.240 --> 2:16:11.960 fifteen years time, when the new kids on the block 2:16:12.160 --> 2:16:15.920 come up and you're not this geezy that you are now, 2:16:15.960 --> 2:16:18.880 which is the it guy, When when it's ten to 2:16:18.960 --> 2:16:23.880 fifteen years later, them new guys can push your ship 2:16:24.400 --> 2:16:26.720 to the to the to the garbage in the garbage can. 2:16:26.800 --> 2:16:28.480 So when I'm trying to have a moment with you 2:16:28.680 --> 2:16:32.640 now to understand how important it is to preserve all 2:16:32.680 --> 2:16:35.240 the elements and all the facets of it so that 2:16:35.440 --> 2:16:39.640 you can have a place to survive ten fifteen years later, 2:16:40.640 --> 2:16:42.200 you know what I'm saying. And it just it just 2:16:42.320 --> 2:16:46.360 it just wasn't coming. It wasn't good, It wasn't coming 2:16:46.400 --> 2:16:50.400 across Jesus, you know. 2:16:51.240 --> 2:16:56.600 Don't forget back then. He if you remember when, like 2:16:57.000 --> 2:17:00.160 I think a month before he was I mean, was 2:17:00.200 --> 2:17:03.199 clearly a fifty cent troll move. But he was talking 2:17:03.200 --> 2:17:07.119 about like, you know, I'm gonna meet with John McCain 2:17:07.680 --> 2:17:10.959 and see what he's about. This was like I remember that, 2:17:10.959 --> 2:17:13.400 all right. He was he was a musical guest on 2:17:13.720 --> 2:17:16.879 SNL I think in September October two thousand and eight. 2:17:17.360 --> 2:17:19.720 It was kind of just putting out there, like, you know, 2:17:19.840 --> 2:17:21.840 just because Obama's played on me, I'm gon vote for him, 2:17:21.920 --> 2:17:23.640 so I'm gonna see what John McCain has. You know, 2:17:23.640 --> 2:17:26.280 he had his arm around John mccainna SNL and it 2:17:26.360 --> 2:17:27.760 was like, I'm gonna go to lunch with him, see 2:17:27.760 --> 2:17:28.279 what he's. 2:17:28.080 --> 2:17:31.400 About and selling snowman shirts to little black kids, and 2:17:31.480 --> 2:17:32.520 I don't do that. 2:17:32.640 --> 2:17:35.720 I remember, Yeah, that's when I had a problem. I mean, 2:17:35.760 --> 2:17:39.800 he's cool now, you know, but. 2:17:38.600 --> 2:17:44.080 Yeah, you know, in essence, Laiah filmed the whole thing. 2:17:44.280 --> 2:17:47.680 Did not know she was filming it, Okay, Laiah ran 2:17:47.720 --> 2:17:49.880 out of the room as soon as that goddamn interview 2:17:49.959 --> 2:17:52.520 was over, and she loaded that ship to every possible 2:17:52.600 --> 2:17:55.560 blog in the world at that time, and that shit 2:17:55.680 --> 2:18:00.600 went viral like a move so quickly, and was wait, 2:18:00.640 --> 2:18:04.240 here's the here's the crazy, craziest part. Nobody knows. I 2:18:04.240 --> 2:18:06.879 don't even know if you knew this, Layah. Nobody knows 2:18:06.920 --> 2:18:11.600 that I had been undergoing a renegotiation with the radio 2:18:11.720 --> 2:18:15.959 station six months prior to that day. And that day 2:18:16.640 --> 2:18:19.440 was d day when I had to make a decision 2:18:20.440 --> 2:18:22.840 on whether I was going to accept the contract that 2:18:22.879 --> 2:18:24.480 they gave me. And what it was was there was 2:18:24.520 --> 2:18:27.800 a little piece of wording in that contract that I 2:18:27.840 --> 2:18:30.200 did not agree with which said that in order for 2:18:30.240 --> 2:18:34.280 me to do anything using my face, my name, how 2:18:34.320 --> 2:18:39.760 did you guys say, caricature, ricature, cricature, Okay, using my 2:18:39.840 --> 2:18:41.160 face name, my curricature. 2:18:42.840 --> 2:18:43.879 Yeah, that's that's radio. 2:18:44.040 --> 2:18:44.600 That's radio. 2:18:44.640 --> 2:18:48.160 Shit, that's radio. It wasn't used to celebrities. So they 2:18:47.520 --> 2:18:48.959 just regularly. 2:18:49.760 --> 2:18:52.680 Basically anything to do with my voice, anything to do 2:18:52.760 --> 2:18:54.400 with myself. If I wanted to write a book, if 2:18:54.400 --> 2:18:56.440 I wanted to be in a movie, anything, I would 2:18:56.440 --> 2:18:59.879 have to go to the radio station for permission. And 2:19:00.080 --> 2:19:03.240 that was the only problem with the contract that I had. 2:19:03.280 --> 2:19:05.920 The money was great, we were at a good place 2:19:06.360 --> 2:19:10.039 or with everything except for that. And my lawyers were like, 2:19:10.160 --> 2:19:14.360 could we just change this wording to something that is 2:19:14.400 --> 2:19:17.840 of a nature saying whatever that it is that I 2:19:17.879 --> 2:19:20.119 have in the works of projects, A book, or whatever 2:19:20.160 --> 2:19:23.240 it is, the station will be. It will be made 2:19:23.280 --> 2:19:26.320 sure that the station knows about this and therefore that 2:19:26.360 --> 2:19:29.600 it's mutually agreed upon as far as it's nothing to 2:19:29.720 --> 2:19:33.440 hinder the names. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like 2:19:33.480 --> 2:19:36.000 I'm not posing for Playboy. You know what I'm saying, 2:19:36.800 --> 2:19:39.520 much to the dismay of many, But I'm not close. 2:19:43.240 --> 2:19:44.840 You know what I'm saying. But the bottom line is 2:19:45.000 --> 2:19:46.520 my lawyer was like, can we put some word in 2:19:46.640 --> 2:19:49.039 like that in it? They were like no. So this 2:19:49.200 --> 2:19:51.680 day that when just this cheesy interview happened, was the 2:19:51.760 --> 2:19:53.480 last day. As soon as I go, as soon as 2:19:53.480 --> 2:19:55.600 we signed off, I had to go into the office, 2:19:56.040 --> 2:19:59.080 sit down with them, ask them, are you prepared to 2:19:59.520 --> 2:20:02.200 change the wor just on that little part. They said no, 2:20:02.680 --> 2:20:05.440 we're not. And then I said, well I cannot sign 2:20:05.480 --> 2:20:10.000 this document. I left that. I left that, I left that, 2:20:10.080 --> 2:20:13.720 I left that office. I left that office that day 2:20:14.440 --> 2:20:17.320 at eleven thirty. By one o'clock in the afternoon, my 2:20:17.400 --> 2:20:21.600 voice was completely stripped from the radio station. They cleaned 2:20:21.680 --> 2:20:26.879 up real quick. And so that that turned into Jeezi 2:20:27.000 --> 2:20:31.800 got me fired? Yes that is yeah, that turned into 2:20:31.840 --> 2:20:34.039 that Geez got me fired, and I never corrected it. 2:20:34.400 --> 2:20:37.720 I let it be. I never corrected it. 2:20:38.360 --> 2:20:39.320 Have you seen him since? 2:20:40.080 --> 2:20:42.400 I have not seen him since. But what's really interesting 2:20:42.600 --> 2:20:46.440 is he worked on a song and he worked with 2:20:46.480 --> 2:20:51.959 a producer called Ko. Ko is my child's, my son's godfather, 2:20:52.640 --> 2:20:56.800 and my daughter was in Atlanta at the time. Yeah, 2:20:56.879 --> 2:21:00.840 uh huh, and my daughter sang on a song the Greatest, 2:21:00.959 --> 2:21:08.800 which was on one of Jez's mixtapes. Wow my child, Yes, yeah. 2:21:09.200 --> 2:21:10.600 Yeah, that's so crazy. 2:21:10.640 --> 2:21:12.920 But what's fun? But what's crazy? She said. She met 2:21:13.000 --> 2:21:17.680 him at what is Diddies at the Revolt convention in 2:21:17.760 --> 2:21:24.080 two thousand and sixteen, I think it is, and she 2:21:24.360 --> 2:21:27.240 said that she said to him, you know, I sang 2:21:27.280 --> 2:21:30.119 on that song blah blah blah blah blah, and it 2:21:30.160 --> 2:21:34.800 was she sang on it. And he asked, the story 2:21:34.879 --> 2:21:37.520 is he acts Kao? You know? Kao told him who 2:21:37.560 --> 2:21:39.560 it wasnt sang on it whatever, And he asked Ko 2:21:39.800 --> 2:21:43.160 to put somebody else on it, like a known person 2:21:43.560 --> 2:21:46.560 or whatever, take my daughter off of it, and Kao said, no, 2:21:47.120 --> 2:21:49.800 the song comes with her. So if you're going to 2:21:49.959 --> 2:21:53.200 use this, the song comes with her. And so he 2:21:53.280 --> 2:21:55.000 kept it on his mixtape, but he never put it 2:21:55.040 --> 2:21:57.880 on his album. My daughter was a little bit, you know, 2:21:58.000 --> 2:22:00.280 she was a little crushed, crushed about that, and I 2:22:00.320 --> 2:22:02.760 felt bad about it too, because I'm like, damn, it's 2:22:02.800 --> 2:22:07.480 because of me, and you know, but at the end 2:22:07.520 --> 2:22:09.920 of the day, it is what it is. You know, 2:22:10.000 --> 2:22:13.680 you live, Charlena. I'm not going back on anything because 2:22:13.879 --> 2:22:16.640 they threw me under the bus after I interview the way, 2:22:16.720 --> 2:22:20.039 how the way, how it went was it turned into 2:22:20.200 --> 2:22:22.760 the woman was the idiot? Oh, the woman. She was 2:22:22.800 --> 2:22:25.959 off as soon as I walked in, you know, he 2:22:26.000 --> 2:22:29.800 called Nas up, had a conversation with Nas. Nas called 2:22:29.840 --> 2:22:32.760 me and was like, don't worry about it, don't worry 2:22:32.760 --> 2:22:34.320 about it. Just don't worry about it. 2:22:35.080 --> 2:22:35.360 All right. 2:22:35.400 --> 2:22:37.160 I'm not going to tell you what the conversation was 2:22:37.200 --> 2:22:39.200 between me and Jeezi, but yeah, he did to reach 2:22:39.240 --> 2:22:41.320 out to me, And in my head, I'm saying to myself, 2:22:41.400 --> 2:22:43.320 you're damn right he reached out to you because that 2:22:43.480 --> 2:22:47.840 sounded ill. All of that do He got people in 2:22:47.920 --> 2:22:51.400 the fad dude that like, dude, it sounded it sounded ill, 2:22:51.600 --> 2:22:54.320 So you're damn right. He made sure that the man 2:22:54.400 --> 2:22:56.560 made sure that he called the other man to have 2:22:56.600 --> 2:23:00.720 a conversation, right, and then throw the woman under the bus. Oh, 2:23:00.800 --> 2:23:03.720 she was off as soon as I walked in. Anyway, 2:23:03.840 --> 2:23:06.560 something she, something was about her was off in the 2:23:06.600 --> 2:23:10.560 fat him saying this is yeah, which was. 2:23:10.520 --> 2:23:12.080 Not ye, which was the opposite. 2:23:12.160 --> 2:23:15.200 That's funny, you know, I don't you know, I don't know. 2:23:15.320 --> 2:23:17.680 I don't know what type of females at that time 2:23:17.800 --> 2:23:21.360 he was used to having conversations with, and and I 2:23:21.400 --> 2:23:24.959 don't know if perhaps I don't know if perhaps my 2:23:25.040 --> 2:23:28.640 conversation may have been a little too quote unquote uppity 2:23:28.800 --> 2:23:32.760 in his eyes at that time, you know. But but 2:23:32.840 --> 2:23:35.480 the bottom line is the gz that I see today 2:23:36.160 --> 2:23:43.360 is exactly who I thought I was talking to. It 2:23:43.400 --> 2:23:45.840 was exactly who I was trying to reach. I knew 2:23:45.959 --> 2:23:48.840 what you was talking to him. I knew I wasn't 2:23:48.840 --> 2:23:51.200 talking to him back then, but I knew that that 2:23:51.240 --> 2:23:55.320 person was going yeah, yeah, and I was trying to 2:23:55.400 --> 2:23:59.000 talk to that person. Yeah. So that that's basically what 2:23:59.120 --> 2:24:01.720 that was. I've never seen him since then. Is that crazy? 2:24:01.760 --> 2:24:07.160 I've never bumped into him, I've never know a Yeah, 2:24:07.400 --> 2:24:10.640 I've never seen him since then. How long ago was that? Was? That? 2:24:11.600 --> 2:24:12.520 Eighteen years ago. 2:24:12.800 --> 2:24:14.520 Oh shit, don't do that. Don't do that. 2:24:15.680 --> 2:24:17.200 That was like, all right, when was it? 2:24:17.320 --> 2:24:17.480 Yeah? 2:24:17.520 --> 2:24:18.400 That was yeah? Eight? 2:24:18.480 --> 2:24:22.560 If I was there, it was okay, all right, thirteen No, no, 2:24:22.600 --> 2:24:25.000 it wasn't no, no, no no. I left that station 2:24:25.120 --> 2:24:27.760 in February of two thousand and seven. That was two 2:24:27.800 --> 2:24:31.160 thousand and seven. Wow, ok, yeah, that was two thousand 2:24:31.160 --> 2:24:31.480 and seven. 2:24:32.360 --> 2:24:37.840 My final question is, now that you're at the state 2:24:38.000 --> 2:24:40.960 in in your life and all that you've achieved in anything, 2:24:41.200 --> 2:24:43.240 is there anything that you've yet to do? Do you 2:24:43.320 --> 2:24:48.320 get these? Do you do you get? Is there an 2:24:48.320 --> 2:24:51.800 itch that you I want to scratch as far as like. 2:24:53.240 --> 2:24:57.600 Aside from the one sorry second to last question. 2:24:58.080 --> 2:25:05.800 Ultra, Wow you went there, yeah, Ultra real quick. So Ultna, 2:25:06.160 --> 2:25:06.680 what was it like. 2:25:06.920 --> 2:25:13.039 Working She's this tiny little powerhouse person. Oh my gosh, 2:25:14.120 --> 2:25:18.160 Ultnata opens her mouth and it's like she has a superpower. 2:25:18.400 --> 2:25:22.080 It's like she opens her mouth and everything turns into 2:25:22.160 --> 2:25:27.360 a tornado as soon as she opens her mouth. And 2:25:27.400 --> 2:25:32.240 she's so tiny, she's a small little package of just 2:25:32.760 --> 2:25:34.840 terror as soon as she opens her mouth. 2:25:35.280 --> 2:25:36.160 Oh, I do have a question. 2:25:36.760 --> 2:25:38.480 She's singing on I was just saying to declared, but 2:25:38.560 --> 2:25:40.520 She's the one to singing on Ring my Bell. 2:25:40.520 --> 2:25:45.280 Absolutely and that is ulternate and it was fun working well. 2:25:45.360 --> 2:25:48.560 She's a big house singer, like she's legendary singer. 2:25:48.560 --> 2:25:52.879 Huge, huge, legendary. I was so grateful to be able 2:25:52.920 --> 2:25:55.120 to work with her. And again this comes from the 2:25:55.160 --> 2:25:58.879 mindset of not getting in my own way as far 2:25:58.959 --> 2:26:01.200 as creative, you know what I mean. 2:26:01.680 --> 2:26:03.800 Yeah, let me just ask because I know you guts 2:26:03.840 --> 2:26:05.320 your last question. I just thought of something too. 2:26:05.720 --> 2:26:08.120 Can you mo as a as a legend in this 2:26:08.240 --> 2:26:11.000 game and as a as a commentator as well? Can 2:26:11.040 --> 2:26:13.440 you talk about like who some of the young folks, 2:26:13.440 --> 2:26:15.440 because I know you tuned into the young folks as well, 2:26:15.440 --> 2:26:18.080 but like who you're listening to and the younger sisters 2:26:18.120 --> 2:26:20.440 as well when it comes to MC's because I don't 2:26:20.440 --> 2:26:22.120 want to just ask you about female mcs, but I 2:26:22.160 --> 2:26:22.800 was just curious. 2:26:24.280 --> 2:26:27.720 Honestly, try I'm trying to listen to a lot more. 2:26:27.760 --> 2:26:32.359 I tune a lot of it out. My kids are annoying, 2:26:32.920 --> 2:26:38.560 but for the sake of trying not to alienate them, 2:26:39.160 --> 2:26:43.400 I do make a conscious effort to give them car 2:26:43.560 --> 2:26:46.600 time when we're in the car and car DJ time 2:26:46.920 --> 2:26:48.440 so they could play stuff. But the only thing that 2:26:48.480 --> 2:26:50.000 I can't get past, and it's like I try not 2:26:50.120 --> 2:26:54.160 to be this hypocrite, is there was a period of 2:26:54.160 --> 2:26:56.560 time where we were cursing in our music and there 2:26:56.560 --> 2:26:59.039 were curses and they'd be curses, but for some. 2:26:58.920 --> 2:27:02.920 Reason, not like this, what is this? 2:27:03.200 --> 2:27:06.119 What is it? I don't It's like every other freaking 2:27:06.200 --> 2:27:09.599 word and I didn't. I do experments. I do experiments 2:27:09.640 --> 2:27:09.920 in the. 2:27:09.879 --> 2:27:11.119 Car all the twee. 2:27:11.240 --> 2:27:14.520 Where I'm like, Okay, go ahead, play your stuff. Lacy's twelve, 2:27:14.920 --> 2:27:16.920 that's my youngest, and shit, I'll I'll be like, all right, 2:27:16.959 --> 2:27:20.480 play your stuff. And it's like, oh, put to give 2:27:20.520 --> 2:27:24.480 me a head and the bitch and I'm like god, God, 2:27:26.560 --> 2:27:29.039 and I'm like, I'm not a prude. We've said curses. 2:27:29.440 --> 2:27:31.640 You know what I'm saying, day get a half all day. 2:27:32.000 --> 2:27:35.360 That's that's our era, you know what I'm saying. Like 2:27:35.400 --> 2:27:38.920 we have stuff, but it just it's just like it's 2:27:38.959 --> 2:27:39.959 like I don't get a break. 2:27:40.200 --> 2:27:40.760 You're an adult. 2:27:41.120 --> 2:27:42.320 It's like I don't get a break. 2:27:42.840 --> 2:27:45.200 Well, wait, since you're talking about your kids, which one 2:27:45.200 --> 2:27:50.320 of your kids has sort of inherited your your taste 2:27:50.320 --> 2:27:52.360 because a lot of I'm always curious on how hip 2:27:52.400 --> 2:27:56.240 hop parents raise their kids, Like do their kids know 2:27:57.160 --> 2:28:01.840 who they are are the exact opposite, you know, like 2:28:01.920 --> 2:28:05.039 which one has your taste? Like you can stop down 2:28:05.040 --> 2:28:13.840 and be like, okay, this one, you know news the old. 2:28:11.800 --> 2:28:14.200 The oldest one, and it's by d four because she 2:28:14.360 --> 2:28:19.000 was everything I really didn't. She just was around. It 2:28:19.080 --> 2:28:21.000 was it was just a natural thing with her, the 2:28:21.040 --> 2:28:23.520 oldest one, and she's thirty now. The rest of them, 2:28:23.680 --> 2:28:25.879 they're just there. They're into what they're into. And I 2:28:25.959 --> 2:28:28.640 try to listen. I do, and I do it often 2:28:28.720 --> 2:28:31.240 because I don't went there to be too much separation 2:28:31.760 --> 2:28:34.280 between us. I understand and appreciate that the times have 2:28:34.400 --> 2:28:37.119 changed and that what they listen to is vastly different 2:28:37.440 --> 2:28:39.120 from what I did. I mean, I used to be 2:28:39.120 --> 2:28:42.160 in the car with the two oldest girls, and I 2:28:42.240 --> 2:28:44.600 used to put on a freeway even though what we 2:28:44.680 --> 2:28:46.800 do was wrong. And my daughter that's now going to 2:28:46.840 --> 2:28:49.080 be twenty four, she'd be in the car seat in 2:28:49.160 --> 2:28:52.080 the back, in the baby seat, and then my oldest 2:28:52.120 --> 2:28:54.880 would be in the shotgun with me and she and 2:28:54.920 --> 2:28:57.160 I would go even though what we do is and 2:28:57.200 --> 2:29:06.760 then the baby would go wow, you know, we have that, 2:29:07.440 --> 2:29:10.120 you know what I'm saying. The two youngest, my son 2:29:10.320 --> 2:29:14.160 is eighteen and then my youngest daughter is twelve. They're 2:29:14.160 --> 2:29:16.320 into their they're into their own thing. There are those 2:29:16.440 --> 2:29:19.800 moments where they join in with with what I like 2:29:19.879 --> 2:29:22.800 to listen to, but they're far in few, like. 2:29:22.800 --> 2:29:29.200 Yeah, we like old school, we like Beyonce right right, Grandmas. 2:29:29.360 --> 2:29:32.440 No more than anything, they bond with me on some rock. 2:29:32.680 --> 2:29:37.199 Like my kids know food Fighters, they know Nirvana songs, 2:29:37.320 --> 2:29:43.400 they know Stone Temple pilots, they know yeah they're because 2:29:43.440 --> 2:29:46.039 I'm I'm a rockhead too, so they know that stuff 2:29:46.080 --> 2:29:48.760 more than they know a lot of the hip hop 2:29:48.920 --> 2:29:56.640 that I grew up listening to. They're more absolutely absolutely, 2:29:59.800 --> 2:30:07.280 oh totally, but more totally, but more more. My twelve 2:30:07.360 --> 2:30:10.800 year old knows Incubus like the back of her hands. 2:30:10.840 --> 2:30:14.120 And that's because I am. Yeah, I am a huge 2:30:14.120 --> 2:30:21.280 Incubist fan and never missed a show. Yeah, Ben and I, 2:30:21.320 --> 2:30:24.360 Ben and I are tight. And it's partly because of you. 2:30:24.920 --> 2:30:27.879 It's partly because of you, because you and I are family. 2:30:28.160 --> 2:30:30.440 So then when when when when I reached out to 2:30:30.520 --> 2:30:32.360 him one time, he was like, oh my god, you 2:30:32.440 --> 2:30:34.560 have to come to the show and ever since then, 2:30:34.600 --> 2:30:37.640 I've never missed a show. Ben and I are type. 2:30:38.040 --> 2:30:41.959 Damn this was up? This wait? I can't I have 2:30:42.040 --> 2:30:44.800 one last question, but I have two because I got 2:30:44.840 --> 2:30:48.359 to ask about how how did how did the alumni form? 2:30:48.760 --> 2:30:51.959 I can't let you. 2:30:50.680 --> 2:30:58.080 Your supergroup Uh special ed Chup rock Uh. 2:30:58.320 --> 2:31:00.360 I have to say Dave Locus Dave Locus because he 2:31:00.400 --> 2:31:01.640 just texted me and said, make sure he gets his 2:31:01.640 --> 2:31:02.039 shout out. 2:31:02.920 --> 2:31:06.000 No he didn't. 2:31:06.120 --> 2:31:15.840 Wow, damn day, please answer. 2:31:17.080 --> 2:31:21.760 Well, Dave was already managing Kwame. I don't know how 2:31:21.800 --> 2:31:25.160 they all got this idea together, but they did. I 2:31:25.280 --> 2:31:28.600 was the last person to be called. Kwame text me 2:31:28.760 --> 2:31:30.520 and said he needed to talk to me about something. 2:31:31.040 --> 2:31:33.520 Called me, spoke to me about the concept. Would I 2:31:33.600 --> 2:31:38.560 be interested? I'm right, yeah, I'd be interested, and it was. 2:31:38.640 --> 2:31:42.320 It was very quickly put together after that, and we 2:31:42.360 --> 2:31:48.920 started doing shows almost immediately. But here's the thing, right, No, 2:31:49.080 --> 2:31:54.600 something new happens every show. Every show, something new happens 2:31:54.640 --> 2:32:00.360 because they it's like the eighteen. There's always some shit. 2:32:01.200 --> 2:32:03.520 It's you know, Ed is stuck at the mall because 2:32:03.520 --> 2:32:06.400 he had to go get some sneakers. I've got to 2:32:06.440 --> 2:32:11.600 go get some sneakers, or Chubb got a flat twenty 2:32:11.640 --> 2:32:14.520 one miles out and we need to send the van 2:32:14.640 --> 2:32:20.080 to go get him. Dana done drink off the whole 2:32:20.640 --> 2:32:24.520 damned green room already before we get on stage. By 2:32:24.560 --> 2:32:31.359 the time we get on stage, it's not man, this appen. 2:32:31.120 --> 2:32:33.520 Well, y'all sound like Bingo Long and the Traveling All stuff. 2:32:35.040 --> 2:32:37.640 Listen. I will watch that show though, when I listen, 2:32:37.680 --> 2:32:42.279 when I tell you that this is the most glorified 2:32:42.400 --> 2:32:46.720 group of misfits ever, but it works. 2:32:46.920 --> 2:32:49.280 And how how does it feel to be able to 2:32:49.320 --> 2:32:49.720 do that though? 2:32:49.760 --> 2:32:51.760 Because it was a time when like artists like y'all, like, 2:32:51.760 --> 2:32:53.959 I feel like it was a resurgence of doing shows 2:32:54.040 --> 2:32:55.920 and stuff. I mean, even though it's COVID now, but 2:32:56.360 --> 2:32:58.119 it just feels good to be able to watch, y'all. 2:32:58.120 --> 2:32:59.800 So how much good does it feel to be able. 2:32:59.640 --> 2:33:02.400 To do It feels great? Because here's the thing of Maror. 2:33:02.840 --> 2:33:05.640 We don't get on and I do a set of songs, 2:33:05.680 --> 2:33:07.600 and then I get off, and then Chubb comes on 2:33:07.640 --> 2:33:09.600 and does a set of songs, and then he gets up. 2:33:09.959 --> 2:33:14.920 It is absolutely I'm doing We're all on listen, We're 2:33:14.959 --> 2:33:17.400 all on stage doing ad libs in each other's songs, 2:33:17.920 --> 2:33:21.039 be in each other's hype. Man, check this out, I sing, 2:33:21.280 --> 2:33:25.800 excuse me not saying I scatted the horn solo and 2:33:25.879 --> 2:33:40.400 treat them right. Every show. 2:33:35.959 --> 2:33:42.280 I scat, I scat the entire horn solo of treat 2:33:42.320 --> 2:33:42.640 them right. 2:33:43.000 --> 2:33:48.039 Everything between the five of you, like with all your 2:33:48.120 --> 2:33:52.400 respective hits and the well loved classic album cuts. That's 2:33:52.560 --> 2:33:56.840 that's a very tight, damn near could could be near 2:33:56.879 --> 2:33:58.640 two hour extravaganza. 2:33:59.440 --> 2:34:02.400 It is. We condense it because a lot of shows, 2:34:02.400 --> 2:34:04.480 whether we get on the bill, we only get like 2:34:04.640 --> 2:34:06.520 you know, it might be twenty minutes, thirty minutes or 2:34:06.560 --> 2:34:08.840 something like that. You have to we have to condense 2:34:08.920 --> 2:34:11.600 the show, so we tail and make it according to 2:34:11.640 --> 2:34:15.160 whatever billing we're on. And then please let us not forget. 2:34:15.440 --> 2:34:18.240 We have a DJ set in the middle of our 2:34:18.280 --> 2:34:22.920 show because DJ tap Money I said, yes, it's our DJ. 2:34:23.640 --> 2:34:26.879 Does he still have his half Roy. 2:34:26.120 --> 2:34:29.080 Yeah, no, he doesn't have it. He doesn't have his hat, 2:34:29.200 --> 2:34:32.160 well he does, but it's on his belly now. 2:34:33.160 --> 2:34:33.960 Oh damn. 2:34:34.560 --> 2:34:38.959 Anyways, the way I know that is because he does 2:34:39.000 --> 2:34:40.920 a belly He lifts his shirt up as part of 2:34:40.959 --> 2:34:44.760 his DJ set and he's moved the fade with his belly. 2:34:45.160 --> 2:34:45.480 Wow. 2:34:45.640 --> 2:34:49.039 So yeah, yeow okay, this is perfectly yo. 2:34:49.120 --> 2:34:52.200 I should remind everybody you guys, mony's closing our women's 2:34:52.240 --> 2:34:53.959 history mouff, and I just wanted to say, it's so 2:34:54.040 --> 2:34:57.119 perfect because I don't think people give you flowers enough 2:34:57.400 --> 2:34:59.160 and I'm so glad that you had this line to 2:34:59.240 --> 2:35:03.360 stay with us like flowers. Cists like flowers flowers so much. 2:35:03.600 --> 2:35:06.640 No, man, I did not know that you know your 2:35:06.840 --> 2:35:09.039 your I guess kind of the tentacles of your career 2:35:09.040 --> 2:35:10.920 win as far as they did. And this is the 2:35:10.920 --> 2:35:13.720 first time I'm hearing any of these stories, you know 2:35:13.720 --> 2:35:17.200 what I mean. This is amazing, Like you really, you 2:35:17.280 --> 2:35:20.400 really weren't inspiration and you know again, just in a 2:35:20.440 --> 2:35:26.280 word or two for me, I was like, man, man, 2:35:26.360 --> 2:35:28.800 that was the one I love that song and that's 2:35:28.800 --> 2:35:30.640 the only time Prince got hip hop right for me. 2:35:30.680 --> 2:35:32.240 And the fact that he did it with you, I 2:35:32.240 --> 2:35:34.120 think that says a lot about you. 2:35:35.120 --> 2:35:38.040 Definitely intertwined a lot. I'm really glad that you guys 2:35:38.280 --> 2:35:42.080 have me had me on a mayor. One of my 2:35:42.120 --> 2:35:47.879 fondest memories of the roots is I pledged myself to 2:35:47.959 --> 2:35:52.080 be their sister, okay. And I was so serious about 2:35:52.160 --> 2:35:56.640 being sister to the roots that when they won Grammys 2:35:57.160 --> 2:36:03.680 that year, I drove by myself from New York to 2:36:03.840 --> 2:36:07.720 Philly at night time by myself to go to their 2:36:07.760 --> 2:36:13.560 Grammy party. At hah, that'd be a night. 2:36:16.400 --> 2:36:17.400 No, it wasn't like. 2:36:19.600 --> 2:36:20.680 Action and Adventure. 2:36:21.360 --> 2:36:24.520 No, only only because that was the night where they 2:36:24.600 --> 2:36:28.160 where they played the clip of us winning and then uh. 2:36:28.440 --> 2:36:30.600 I asked my girlfriend and I'm like, wait, what does 2:36:30.760 --> 2:36:34.000 in theory mean? And she's like, that means he didn't 2:36:34.000 --> 2:36:36.240 deserve to win it. And I was like, wait, did 2:36:36.280 --> 2:36:39.520 Mope just say in theory the roots. She's like, yes, 2:36:39.600 --> 2:36:45.560 he did. And I was like, I've never I've never Yeah, 2:36:45.600 --> 2:36:48.000 I mean no, no, no we he we. I said that 2:36:48.040 --> 2:36:51.280 in an interview once when he he said on the 2:36:51.320 --> 2:36:54.320 red carpet that he loved Buster Rhymes so much that 2:36:54.640 --> 2:36:58.680 even if Buster Rhymes is not the winner of that night, 2:36:59.200 --> 2:37:01.720 that he he's going to declare Buster Rhymes the winner. 2:37:02.240 --> 2:37:04.400 So of course, you know, when he's reading off the 2:37:04.400 --> 2:37:07.600 nominees and says and the winner is, I was in 2:37:07.640 --> 2:37:09.240 the audience like, oh, we're not gonna win. We're not 2:37:09.240 --> 2:37:11.320 gonna win. We're not gonna win, and then everyone jumped up. 2:37:11.480 --> 2:37:13.080 I was like, oh shit, we won. I didn't hear 2:37:13.080 --> 2:37:15.680 what he said. So when we watched the Cliff that night, 2:37:16.280 --> 2:37:19.520 and he was like, and the winner is in theory 2:37:19.760 --> 2:37:23.880 the roots, and I was like, what does that mean? 2:37:24.200 --> 2:37:26.880 And they're like, fuck movie, that means he's he didn't 2:37:26.879 --> 2:37:31.800 think you deserved it like you technically wanted. And that's 2:37:31.959 --> 2:37:34.760 just that's when I started throwing my Grammys in the 2:37:34.800 --> 2:37:36.760 bathroom and you know. 2:37:37.280 --> 2:37:39.959 And no one feels like to get the fight with movie. 2:37:40.240 --> 2:37:40.560 Wow. 2:37:40.640 --> 2:37:45.080 Yeah, that kind of started that. That planted the seed 2:37:45.120 --> 2:37:48.480 of me like not wanting praise and I don't deserve 2:37:48.520 --> 2:37:50.360 this ship. That like that really did a number on me. 2:37:50.520 --> 2:37:55.280 Like he he gave me a heartfelt email apology once. 2:37:55.320 --> 2:37:58.280 I told a friend of his, like, you know what, 2:37:59.360 --> 2:38:02.680 how bad that not hurt me, but just affected me 2:38:02.720 --> 2:38:05.600 to the point where I was indifferent to that ship 2:38:05.800 --> 2:38:08.920 and he felt really bad about it, so he apologized. 2:38:08.959 --> 2:38:11.840 But yeah, that night I had a whole, you know, 2:38:12.000 --> 2:38:16.120 a whole nother view of that Grammy party. Like I 2:38:16.200 --> 2:38:21.480 never I hated flowers at that moment. So that's the 2:38:21.520 --> 2:38:24.680 origin of the flower and a mer's anti flower movement. 2:38:26.000 --> 2:38:31.360 But we're back giving you reclaim. It was my first 2:38:31.400 --> 2:38:33.039 time hearing any of these stories. 2:38:35.400 --> 2:38:36.519 What's funny. 2:38:37.040 --> 2:38:38.880 He didn't even never ship. 2:38:39.040 --> 2:38:40.640 He didn't even talk about the real fight that went 2:38:40.680 --> 2:38:42.360 down at the party. But we'll talk about that later. 2:38:42.400 --> 2:38:43.240 That ship was illed. 2:38:44.640 --> 2:38:47.080 It was yes, mother to shoot the couple fight, A 2:38:47.120 --> 2:38:52.440 couple against couple, Ruth's number, ruth member and girlfriend. 2:38:52.080 --> 2:39:01.080 And yeah, yo, name, can I tell it? 2:39:01.200 --> 2:39:01.360 Yeah? 2:39:01.360 --> 2:39:02.039 Sure, real quick? 2:39:02.080 --> 2:39:02.360 Okay? 2:39:02.520 --> 2:39:04.480 Was it? Was it someone that was married in the band? 2:39:04.680 --> 2:39:04.920 Yeah? 2:39:04.959 --> 2:39:09.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was married. They were fighting the 2:39:09.600 --> 2:39:12.640 first uh keyboard player, that's what they remember. It was 2:39:12.680 --> 2:39:14.080 the first keyboard. 2:39:13.800 --> 2:39:18.720 Player and girl friend and yeah. 2:39:18.400 --> 2:39:21.200 Versus the new one and his gangster wife. All right, 2:39:21.320 --> 2:39:24.840 I've done and money. Sorry he was to love, he 2:39:24.920 --> 2:39:27.240 was getting love. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, oh 2:39:27.280 --> 2:39:27.800 my god. 2:39:29.720 --> 2:39:36.240 Whoa Yeah, I did not know this. Okay. Revelations story 2:39:36.360 --> 2:39:37.320 Storge Episode one. 2:39:37.400 --> 2:39:41.039 Yeah, can is this permission? Because this is just because 2:39:41.040 --> 2:39:41.840 you said it on tape? 2:39:44.560 --> 2:39:45.640 Yeah? I don't see why not? 2:39:46.600 --> 2:39:49.360 Oh yod, thanks thanks mo. 2:39:49.840 --> 2:39:55.080 Thank you mom. I appreciate it. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. 2:39:55.200 --> 2:39:57.320 Money love h question of. 2:39:57.360 --> 2:39:58.760 Supreme you guys still hear me? 2:39:59.120 --> 2:40:03.039 Yeah, yeah, this is the perfect way to end the show. 2:40:03.160 --> 2:40:06.160 This is things going. Yeah, We'll see you next go 2:40:06.200 --> 2:40:08.600 around on request Love Supreme. Thank you very much. 2:40:10.040 --> 2:40:12.840 Hey, this is Sugar Steve. Make sure you keep up 2:40:12.879 --> 2:40:16.400 with us on Instagram at QLs and let us know 2:40:16.440 --> 2:40:18.760 what you think and who should be next to sit 2:40:18.800 --> 2:40:23.960 down with us. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. 2:40:25.680 --> 2:40:31.040 What's Left Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more 2:40:31.040 --> 2:40:35.560 podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 2:40:35.560 --> 2:40:37.199 wherever you listen to your favorite shows.