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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. It is March,

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Speaker 1: which means it's Women's History Month, and we're celebrating here

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Speaker 1: at QLs. We're going to look back at the classic

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Speaker 1: episode from twenty twenty one with Money Love. Since her

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Speaker 1: career started, Money's been in the middle of everything. You

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Speaker 1: see the pun there, music, radio, activism, and more. Listen back,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Quest Love. We have teams Supreme with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, we have Sugar, Steve Hi. Everybody right now

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Speaker 1: your live on location.

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Speaker 2: Where you at, Steve, Yeah, I'm outside of radio study

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Speaker 2: music Hall, recording live for up frame.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Nice, And our fan base is out there. That's

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Speaker 1: awesome looking on the street, on the street. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Steve it is. That's where his fans are on the

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Speaker 1: street out there. So we have unpaid bill. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: how's it going on? How's the how's the wine bar?

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Speaker 1: What are you drinking?

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Speaker 4: Tonight, little ship pain, let's call it tonight delicious pain.

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Speaker 4: It's it's for the pain. It's pro paid, it's pro

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Speaker 4: it's this is tastes your favorite.

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Speaker 1: Part of the day when you when you get down

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get to see my friends have a drink

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Speaker 4: and you know, talk about the ship.

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Speaker 1: I see, all right at you cool and yeah. I

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Speaker 1: can't say yeah, waiting me to say north.

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Speaker 5: See whatever.

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Speaker 1: I need some other. I might need some other. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: I believe you know your state very well, but I need.

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Speaker 6: Some know the witnesses, because anybody any nigga saying that

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Speaker 6: ship is over fifty Okay, ain't no, ain't no young

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Speaker 6: nigga saying that ship.

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Speaker 1: We don't say that cold like nah nah, bro. Is

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Speaker 1: there a Philadelphia equivalent of there, like Philadelphia some ship shah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but then it became kiladelph in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six, so ended that. Uh yeah, Marcaret, Yeah look

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Speaker 1: at you. Yeah yeah, Margaret, I forgot I forgot the

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Speaker 1: mark in the house. Yeah we did, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: I will say that our esteemed guest today is definitely

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Speaker 1: hip hop Royalty. And I'm not making that reference because

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Speaker 1: she's UK based. She came first to our at Tension

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Speaker 1: as a member of what I think is one of

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Speaker 1: the most innovative collectives in music, not just hip hop,

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Speaker 1: but music and I'm speaking, of course, of the native tongues.

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Speaker 1: She's one of the first generation international mcs. She's made

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Speaker 1: her mark, given memorable verses on singles for a vast

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Speaker 1: array of people, be it Whitney Houston, Fine on Cannibals, Prince,

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Speaker 1: the Jungle Brothers, Daylight, Soul Rass Cast Common least we

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Speaker 1: forget or not forget her classic performance on the Anthem

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Speaker 1: Ladies First with Queen Latifa and I'm also at the

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Speaker 1: top of the new millennium. She shifted her golden voice

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Speaker 1: to radio, especially in my hometown of Philly. Remind me

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Speaker 1: to ask you about that Gez conversation by I've never

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Speaker 1: spoken about that. I've heard a lot about it. I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm Philadelphia and I got it. I always

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you that also Atlanta George's as well

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Speaker 1: as well as her nationwide show on Serious FM Ladies First.

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Speaker 1: Probably the biggest marvel here about our guest is her

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Speaker 1: refusal and her inability to age as a mother of four.

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Speaker 1: I assume four fully grown kids and a grandmother. I

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Speaker 1: swear to God our guests will remain about twenty eight

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Speaker 1: years old until the year nineteen thousand and eighty four. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what can I say? Longtime coming, ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 1: welcome mony love to quest Lofe Suprie. Yes, all right, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm as as a man. I'm learning lessons post twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Not to comment on people's physicality or their age or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but this has to be spoken about what is your

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Speaker 1: secret to youth?

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Speaker 5: I don't have a secret to youth. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: don't know why everybody keeps everybody always says that, because

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Speaker 5: trust me, my knees have got more cracked than Harlem

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Speaker 5: in the ages.

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Speaker 1: I feel you.

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Speaker 7: But what you being on at night?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like Chris, like what is it?

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Speaker 5: I don't you know. Honestly, I drink and I drink

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Speaker 5: a lot of water, that's for sure. I really do.

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Speaker 5: I really do. And it sounds really corny, but I

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Speaker 5: really do drink a lot of water. And aside from that,

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Speaker 5: I'm still keeping up with the kids. Like I've still

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Speaker 1: You know, how old is your youngest?

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Speaker 5: Twelve?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Well I see, yeah. I mean there's sometimes where

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Speaker 1: like I can't tell the difference between you and Charlena,

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Speaker 1: and you know I can't like, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, half the time, I get it, yeah, because it's

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Speaker 1: Your your daughter must have taken your iPhone and posted

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Speaker 1: a picck on I g r ever, but yeah, more

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Speaker 1: more more power to you. I want whatever you're drinking,

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Speaker 1: you have it. I want to live forever. So yes,

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Speaker 1: the water right now, as you speak, what is the

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Speaker 1: we're just we're kind of side eyeing, not the residents,

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Speaker 1: but you know more or less no, well not even

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Speaker 1: what's your name, Keisha, Not even Keisha, because I know

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Speaker 1: where she stands. But right now I'm just hearing like

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Speaker 1: everything that Atlanta is sodom and more like.

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Speaker 5: Basically, honestly, no, honestly, I can understand why everybody else

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Speaker 5: is looking at Atlanta like that because to a lot

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Speaker 5: in a lot of areas like things should be closed

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Speaker 5: that are not closed. So I understand why everybody else

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Speaker 5: is looking at it, like what are you guys doing

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Speaker 5: out there? Honestly, me speaking for myself, I'm going with

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Speaker 5: doing a bunch of a bunch of stuff, you know,

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Speaker 5: I do a to B I leave, I leave the house,

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Speaker 5: the grocery store, pick up groceries for the kids and

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Speaker 5: what have you. That's about it, you know, I just

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Speaker 5: I don't really do too much. I need to do

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Speaker 5: my kids. You know, everybody's homeschooled, which is I share

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Speaker 5: my laptop, I share my desktop, which is why nothing

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Speaker 5: in my house is sacred anymore. But they are, They're

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Speaker 5: doing too much. They're doing too much in general.

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Speaker 1: Is there a kind of like is there a true

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Speaker 1: for everybody, but even for black people like that, there's

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Speaker 5: I know that are Are you allowed to say that.

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Speaker 1: Hotel?

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Speaker 5: Starts that starts like fights.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if the shoe fits. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, And I mean it's bad enough with

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Speaker 1: my family, Like I me trying to convince certain family

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Speaker 1: I understand the the history that we've had within in

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Speaker 1: trepidation and all that stuff, but I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: exhausted enough arguing nine family members about this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it's just like in Atlanta

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm crazy I skipped.

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Speaker 7: So you haven't had the whole study parties or anything

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Speaker 5: Well I did, Uh no, I did, Actually I did.

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Speaker 5: You know what I did. I went to Tampa and

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Speaker 1: Do people respond by a honking their horns? Absolutely so

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Speaker 1: when it starts doing nightmares like people were like, it

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Speaker 5: That was my first experience with that and it was

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Speaker 5: absolutely that. Like when you say make some noise.

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Speaker 1: It's like, ah, wait, next time you wrapped a Chubb,

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Speaker 1: tell him that I'm want to pay his two thousand

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, So of course I know some areas of

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Speaker 1: your life. But for our listeners who don't know what

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, South London, Chelsea. I was born in since

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay. Being black and in England, you're either Caribbean

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Speaker 5: the British Commonwealth, which is all the countries that they owned. Exactly,

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Speaker 5: thank you Ante.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, basically I'm so light, so polite about it.

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Speaker 5: I love it. And so my grandfather was amongst them.

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Speaker 5: And so what happened was families, the heads of families

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Speaker 5: which racking for her, she told me, because she she

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Speaker 5: didn't even know what a coat was. So yeah, she

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Speaker 5: got to England and it was like it's cold, you know,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and then that's what that's pretty much how

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Speaker 5: how a lot of our parents got England, so hence

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Speaker 5: we were born in England. My generation of generation in

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Speaker 5: my family born outside of Jamaica.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know when this will air exactly,

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Speaker 1: but we're sort of speaking right now, right when UK

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Speaker 1: with how the monarchy and its relationship with an American community.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, American community.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so used to saying that the black

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Speaker 1: community of the UK. Okay, man, I just did a

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Speaker 1: patrise O Neil thing. You know when Patrice jokes that

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Speaker 1: when he goes to European countries and still calls them

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Speaker 3: And not even the term that you say mo like, No, no, no,

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Speaker 7: No, but what do you call so do they? Do

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Speaker 5: guys were skin heads. Yeah, they were skin heads with

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Speaker 5: That stuff right, and you get you know, they black boy,

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Speaker 1: Are you have you watched Small Acts? Yeah? No, And.

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Speaker 5: You know something, I just got told about it. I

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Speaker 1: Absolutely I see music music wise. You know, I guess

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Speaker 5: What absolutely, that's exactly his position, that is exactly his position.

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Speaker 7: What was what? Were young kids listening to the police?

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Speaker 5: We were listening to the We were listening to the police.

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Speaker 5: We were listening to we were listening. Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 5: We weren't you know, we wasn't. We weren't doing anything.

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Speaker 5: No absolutely because it was a very heavy A lot

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Speaker 1: So you mean like wred they Okay, explain this, What

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Speaker 1: the hell's are Rudy. I hear the term rudy.

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Speaker 5: White white shirt, white shirt, skinny, black tie, black jacket.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, yeah, drain pipes.

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Speaker 1: That's to look like fish boone. Are these white guys

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Speaker 1: is that like rude boy or something?

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Speaker 5: Or yes, it's it's the British version of what Jamaicans

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Speaker 1: I see no, because you know, when I heard Sky songs,

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Speaker 1: they're always talking about Rudy, and I thought, like, kind

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Speaker 1: of that Johnny, what was Johnny Taylor's word? Like, oh joy, Jody, Jody? Right,

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Speaker 1: I thought that Rudy was just like this fictional character

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Speaker 8: But no, No, a Rudy is a British version of

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Speaker 5: and Bunny and Petere Tush, right, look at early pictures

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00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 5: before everybody got locks. They were rude boys.

439
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 3: Oh well, since you brought it up, can you talk

440
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: about your daddy?

441
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad's My dad was a rude boy. My

442
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: dad's and my dad is full fledged rasta right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

443
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 5: my dad's full fledged raster ita. He's you know, all

444
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 5: my life, his lucks is now under his feet.

445
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: Oh wow, music at all? Or yeah?

446
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 5: My dad played trumpet. Yeah, my dad played trumpet when

447
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 5: I was growing up, So the house was very musical.

448
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 5: Sundays was his days when he would practice. So he

449
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 5: would put on a Louis Armstrong or a Miles Davis

450
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 5: and he would play along to it, and that would

451
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 5: be his practice. And that would happen on Sundays. And

452
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 5: once I hear the trumpet going, that means I have

453
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 5: to get up, and I have to clean the bathroom downstairs,

454
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 5: and I have to clean my room. It was intuitive,

455
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 5: you know, you know what's happening. Yeah, So, yeah, played

456
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 5: trumpet and he was in a jazz band and England

457
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 5: when I was growing up, were.

458
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: You I'm not trying to stereotype. I don't know. It's

459
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of the black people

460
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: that I met in the UK when they're talking about

461
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: growing up in the seventies. They would tell me that basically,

462
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of their parents were super super conservative,

463
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: so you know, they didn't have experiences of like sneaking

464
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: out the house at thirteen to go to whatever a

465
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: studio fifty four was or that sort of thing. Like

466
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: were you a club kid at all? Or was cool

467
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: Heirk's version of hip hop your music experience where you

468
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: know there's playing on the streets or no.

469
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 5: I we well, let's see when I started breaking and

470
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 5: stuff like that. We would go to Covent Garden during

471
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 5: the day in the afternoon and that's where and I

472
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 5: would make sure all my chores were done so that

473
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 5: I could bounce, and my parents wouldn't have anything to

474
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: say but be back at a certainly, and I would

475
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 5: go to Covent Garden meet up with my friends and

476
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 5: we would just pop and break and just practice all day,

477
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 5: either in Covent Garden Square or in the Charing Cross

478
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: Tube station because the floors were really smooth in the

479
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: Charing Cross Tube station, so we could so we could

480
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 5: get some really good windmills in then backspins and down there.

481
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh so you were a serious b girl, Yeah, oh okay, okay,

482
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know your level was I don't know it

483
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: was curiosity.

484
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: Or like, oh yeah, no, we would battle. We would

485
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: battle each other. It was all different crew. Seriously, we

486
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 5: developed fake beef with North Londoners just for no reason.

487
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Because you needed somebody to battle. Yeah wait, that's that

488
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: would be my side of town. Okay. So did did

489
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: people like go to different territories or was it territorial?

490
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 5: It was very Yeah, it was very territorial. It was

491
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 5: very territorial. You know. We took it seriously. And there

492
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: were fights sometimes and.

493
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you would not be caught on in Camden

494
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Market or any like, only.

495
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: If somebody came over and was performing and they were

496
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 5: at a place called what was the what was the

497
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 5: name of the Electric Ballroom in Camden Town and sometimes

498
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: there would be performances like I saw Chuck Brown and

499
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: the Soul Searchers at Oh wow, yeah, I saw I

500
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 5: saw Chuck Brown and Soul Searchers at in cam In

501
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: Town at Electric Ballroom absolutely really yeah. I also saw

502
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 5: Steps the Sonic in that same venue really yeah yeah. Yeah.

503
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Hip hop hip hop wise, like how how big was

504
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: the the local talent? Because again, like there was I

505
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: knew of Slick Rick. There's a there's another dope rapper

506
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: that was out like in nineteen eighty seven. I'm having

507
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: a brain from the UK. From the UK the Derek

508
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: b Cookie Crew, not Cookie Crew. But it's like this guy.

509
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: He he always ended his verse with shopper then a

510
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: heart attack, but he was rhyming over Bobby Birds. I'm coming.

511
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: It's like they played it a few times in like

512
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: eighty eight. I forget his name, but then a heart attack.

513
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: It's my wrong the fact like, no, but I liked

514
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: him because that sounded like a nigga from Snap. This

515
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: is the thing. I like him.

516
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 5: Because don't say this, don't say that everybody is yo.

517
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 6: And I still and I'm still not convinced that that

518
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 6: guy is not Vin Raims. I'm sorry, I'm still I'm

519
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 6: still not convinced.

520
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: I've never seen the Snap. I never seen him in

521
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: the same place.

522
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 5: No.

523
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that with with most UK artists,

524
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: they lose their accent once they start singing and rapping.

525
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: But he maintained that that accent throughout. And that's why

526
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: I liked him. But I wish I knew his name.

527
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 5: But when I get off this podcast. I'm gonna hear that.

528
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. How did they look at that stuff? Though?

529
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: B Oni like like Derek B and Cookie Crew? How

530
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: were they received in the UK?

531
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: Well?

532
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 5: They they were received very well because they were our

533
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 5: first generation of born and bred British art.

534
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: First wave was from there too, right yea proper girls?

535
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yes yeah. Cookie Crew were my man as

536
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: I was babysitter. I used to roll with them everywhere

537
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: to all their shows, be at their sound checks. I

538
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 5: learned a lot from being around them.

539
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Really.

540
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 5: I came up, Yeah, I came up under Susi Q

541
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: and Debbie D. I came up under them.

542
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I love them, man, like I remember buying they They

543
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: once played in a different world, on a different world

544
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: the first season. There's a clip of of Dwayne and

545
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: uh Denise back when Lisa but her name was on

546
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: the show doing the wop to what's the first single

547
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Females get on up?

548
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 5: Females?

549
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I remember I don't know, like back then,

550
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: if if a song was on a sitcom, then you

551
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: asked about it the next day and then you got it.

552
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah you made but like, what do you

553
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: know what they're doing now?

554
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 5: Or well, I know I Wid still, I mean Remedy.

555
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: Remedy is her name, Remedy, not Debide. WID's another of

556
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: my uh, another of my female mcs that I look up.

557
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: Tobd's Remedy is out of the Cookie Crew and I

558
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 5: speak to her. She's on really well, she works. She

559
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: actually heads her own marketing company still in London now

560
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 5: and she still works very much within the music business,

561
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 5: specifically because she had first time knowledge of being herself.

562
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: So she works has her own marketing firm in the

563
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: entertainment business in England.

564
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so how did you get the How did you

565
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: make that transition into becoming an MC and taking it

566
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: serious enough to actually doing it right?

567
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: When did it? Was? Pretty much? When did it stop

568
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 5: being a hobby or a secret that only was shared

569
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 5: between me and the bathroom mirror with a toothbrush?

570
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh you was el for real?

571
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

572
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, like who pulled you out of your sidness

573
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: and said you should do this?

574
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 5: You know what it was? It was a bit of envy,

575
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: and the envy came from I did a wait October

576
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 5: December January February, I did a five months stint at

577
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 5: George Wingate High School, in Brooklyn, New York. My mother

578
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: was in transition of possibly moving to the United States.

579
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 5: She had a job for a respected Jewish lawyer and

580
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 5: my Manhattan at his office, and he was going to

581
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 5: sponsor my mother. She came over, you know, she worked

582
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 5: for his family, took care of his children or what

583
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 5: have you, and in return he was going to, you know,

584
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: do her bees there in the paper. That's how a

585
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: lot of people did it back then. And she bought

586
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: me with her because I was the youngest one. We

587
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: were living in Brooklyn on East twenty eighth Street between

588
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: Clarence Till You and I went to Georgia and Gate

589
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 5: High School and they had metal detectives, which is something

590
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 5: I had never seen before.

591
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: He went from living around place where they the cops

592
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: didn't have guns to a place where them I went.

593
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: I went from Catholic school, not for dame or girls

594
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 5: uniform with a crest on my blazer wearing. Okay, I

595
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 5: went from that to lean on me for cron Yeah,

596
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 5: you know. So it was quite a culture shock for me.

597
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 5: But I found off in the same high school as

598
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 5: mc light. Mc Light was already an aspiring MC and

599
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: I would have to listen to her talk about how

600
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 5: she was at Latin Quarters and so this is where

601
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 5: the envy kicked in quarter.

602
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, I just came back in the movie.

603
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 5: Okay, So that's where the MV came in. So I

604
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: when I left and went back to England after doing

605
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: like six months going to school in Brooklyn, and I

606
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 5: went England, and then I was like, if only light new,

607
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 5: I'm just as dope. I'm dope too, I could rhyme.

608
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: It was a secret. I never told anyone, you know, Yeah,

609
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: it was a secret. I'm just I'm a wordsmith. English

610
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: was my favorite language. Poetry was my favorite thing. I

611
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 5: love words, you know, and so it was I had

612
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: a knack for So I kept it a secret that

613
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 5: I would write poems and write poetry and stuff. And

614
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 5: so by the time I went back to England, and

615
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 5: then I would be like, I should have told her,

616
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: I should have told like that I'm dope to and

617
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blah. Right, So through all of that,

618
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: I started letting it out, you know, I started letting

619
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 5: it out that I could do this. Once I got

620
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: home to England, so I made a name for myself.

621
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: So the next time I saw a light, right, The

622
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: next I saw light she came over to England to

623
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 5: do a show, and I went to that show, right,

624
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: and I made sure that I got backstage right. And

625
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 5: then when I said huh, She's like, oh my god,

626
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 5: you're you know you're back. You're back here. And I

627
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I said, guess what. I was like,

628
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 5: I could rhyme too, let me bust a verse. You wrote.

629
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: How old are you at this point? How old are you?

630
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 5: Like sixteen? And changed, Oh, I hadn't. I hadn't turned

631
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 5: seventeen yet. Yeah. Yeah, those are the best auditions, right,

632
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 5: do you remember you remember? I don't remember the first,

633
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 5: but I do remember her saying, why didn't you tell me?

634
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 5: You did this all this time? You were we were

635
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: in school together and you could do this and you

636
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 5: never told me? And I just was like, I don't know.

637
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: I just I guess I wasn't ready yet, or I

638
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 5: was nervous. You know. You would go and telling stories

639
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: about going to like and being in the same club,

640
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: in the same room as Eric, being Rakhim and all

641
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: of them, and I was like, you know, I just

642
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 5: was like little on me, secret or what have you.

643
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 5: But but we was. We were tight in high school

644
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 5: and then we developed an even stronger bond afterwards. When

645
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 5: she saw me again in England and I bust my

646
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: little rhyme for her whatever, she was very encouraging. She

647
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 5: was very encouraging. She's like, I wish you would have

648
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: told me you did this, you know, maybe we could have.

649
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 5: I was like, I couldn't came to lettin Quarters with you.

650
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 5: I was like, my grandfather's Jamaican. He meets me from

651
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: school with a goddamn great Dane. Like nobody, oh wow,

652
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: like that. Yeah, I'd come out of the school right

653
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 5: and I'd be like this, Oh my god. You see

654
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 5: those movies where people kids are at the doorway of

655
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 5: their school and they're like, oh my god, that's my

656
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 5: mom across.

657
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Letting me off a black beforehand.

658
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 5: My grandfather would be across the street with a great Dane.

659
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god.

660
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: Wait, Simon, have you ever told that story before?

661
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 5: Like, no, no, no, no.

662
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: It's not. Everyone knows that Busting and jay Z went

663
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: to school together, and everyone knows that Tribe and Jungle

664
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: Brothers went to school together. I think it's a big

665
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: fucking deal there. You MC light went to the same school.

666
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and.

667
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: That you know that you guys had this bond that

668
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: apparently the world doesn't know about.

669
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: No.

670
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 5: And it's funny that you say jay Z because during

671
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 5: that time, after I had gotten back to England, I

672
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: met jay Z in England's phil during my sixteenth turning

673
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 5: seventeenth year.

674
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: The Wyan Sophie period exactly.

675
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: He was there. Oh my god, you should have seen

676
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 5: his such an apartment. That's why when people tried to

677
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: there was a period of time when people would be like, oh,

678
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: what people about in their rhymes ain't real from how

679
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 5: their lively was, and then they would try to pin

680
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: jay Z in that pigeonhole, like oh, he's talking about

681
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: shit that he didn't really live. I would be the

682
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: first person to be like, yes, he bloody did, he did, Yes,

683
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 5: he bloody saw his apartment. I live in England, I

684
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 5: was born in England and I've never seen an apartment

685
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 5: that slipping we call him flat. I never seen a

686
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 5: flat that bi Christ. It was huge. It was just

687
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: like I always compared it to this movie that I

688
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 5: saw with Harrison Forden regarding Henry where he went to

689
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: the Okay, do you remember, do you remember bloody apartment.

690
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 5: It was an apartment. It was massive. Yes, that is

691
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 5: what jay Z had in England him and and I'm

692
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: walking around and flat, like how the fuck do you

693
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 5: guys have this? And I never in this country? Upstairs

694
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 5: downstairs duplex him back like what he listen. They had

695
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 5: the lavish life in England and he was there. They

696
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 5: were there for like maybe four or five months or

697
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: something like around. Yeah, we're around the same age. He's

698
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: only like probably a year older than me or something,

699
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 5: and so yeah, and that was when I met him,

700
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 5: and then and then from there it was like it

701
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 5: was like big brother everywhere I go when I came back,

702
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 5: when I came back to and I would go places

703
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 5: wherever it would be. I don't know why. He's like,

704
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 5: what is that thing where somebody pops up out of

705
00:41:50,960 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: a garbage can? Everywhere you go? But he would just

706
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: be everywhere like how did you get here? With how

707
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 5: you getting home? I've been places when I first came

708
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 5: back to America, I've been places right where he'll in

709
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 5: the same accurate that he talks about in his music

710
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: that he had from back in the day, right when

711
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 5: he was pushing accurates and all of that. That's why

712
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: I tell people, yes he did. Yes, He'd be like

713
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 5: he did, right. He'll pop up and be like, how

714
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: are you getting home? And I'll be like, I can't

715
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 5: up my friends, I'm chilling. No, get in the car

716
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: and take me. Yes, and I'll be like I'm grown,

717
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 5: you know, I was seventeen and change them. He would

718
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: take me right home and that that yes, Guardian home.

719
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 5: That so many times and to the point where I

720
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: used to get like bloody hell, like what do I

721
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: have like a tracking device? Like how are you always?

722
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 5: How is he always? Did?

723
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: I think it's so fascinating a job like the same

724
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: age people don't even think about numbers? Is like that, yeah, yeah, yeah,

725
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 3: both of them.

726
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Are regressing in age. That's the Yeah, that's true.

727
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 7: It's a lotion. They're not sharing it with us, but

728
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 7: that's cool.

729
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna find that. God damn it.

730
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: It puts the lotion on its skin.

731
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: So I think the first time I heard you on

732
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: record was there was a remix for Fine Young Cannibals.

733
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: She drives me crazy. I didn't know it was you

734
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: at the time.

735
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 5: How did you not know that was me? And Mary? Well?

736
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Because no, no, no, no, I didn't know what a money

737
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: love was at the time when I heard it.

738
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 5: Wait what Moyes right?

739
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I knew of your name, Like I

740
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: guess the first time I heard you was doing our

741
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: own thing, I think on Jungle Brothers, but I believe

742
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: She Drives Me Crazy remix kind of predated that a

743
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: little bit. But I remember like you had a very definitive,

744
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: like a very sexy voice. You had your accent. Yeah,

745
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I'm knowing you for decades. So sorry, no, no, no.

746
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 5: But I just that's interesting because I definitely wasn't trying

747
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: to be that.

748
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: No, but it's I mean, it's something. I mean, obviously

749
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: it had to been something because you know, Prince reached

750
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: out to you too. It was something very distinctive that

751
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't sound like any well. I mean, first of all,

752
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's far and few between, uh

753
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: with women in hip hop, but I mean they're they're there.

754
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: It's been slow to come to fruition, and I'm again

755
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there's been a lack of female mcs,

756
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: but there's definitely been a kind of the facet has

757
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: been slow for the powers that be that will let

758
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: them have a platform. But how did you But I

759
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: remember that really making an impression on me, like got it?

760
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: I liked it? I like the song, like I would

761
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: spend that version in the club, that remix instead of

762
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: the regular version. How did you like? Was that your

763
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: your first time on WAX at that.

764
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: Point, no, no, no, no no, I had. I had

765
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: already had my own singles. Listen the first their single

766
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 5: that was ever put together. I was in a group

767
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 5: and we were called Don't Last Okay, all right? I

768
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 5: was in a group and we were called just bad Productions,

769
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 5: you know because like Bookie da Production.

770
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Like, oh wow, y'all was JBP okay a little bit

771
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: of a sting. I see where he was going for Amonia,

772
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm a which So we were.

773
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 5: It was four of us. I was the only girl.

774
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 5: It was me, DJ MC, Jo MC mellow and Sparky.

775
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 5: Sparky was the beat guy. He programmed all that beats.

776
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 5: Mellow was another MC and DJ Pogo. They were three

777
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 5: really like known DJs from the UK.

778
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: So you're saying that being in JPP wait j B

779
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: JBBB bad Productions JBP we bad productions, all right? So

780
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what.

781
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: We put a record out? We put a record out

782
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: and it was under Tim Westwards label.

783
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow were freshter week? How old were you?

784
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: How old were you that time?

785
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 5: Oh? Fifteen?

786
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: Just okay. I've heard so many stories. I've heard so

787
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: many stories about Tim Westwood. What does he represent to

788
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: hip hop culture for the UK? I've heard the best

789
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: things about him and I heard the worst things about him.

790
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: The first person I heard to get shot I was.

791
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: I was there the night that he got shot in

792
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: the ass. Boy, I used to live in London. We

793
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: were shocked. We were what was the name of that

794
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: that junglest crew?

795
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 6: What so solid, so so solid, so solid crew, so

796
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 6: solid crew.

797
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we we had did a gig all I remember, No, no, no,

798
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: we didn't do a gig. Tribe had come over to

799
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: the UK. This is right when min Maratists came out.

800
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: Whatever happened? Uh When we got home, we found out

801
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: the next night that that Westwood had gotten shot in

802
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: the ass by one of the sole Solid people or

803
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: one of those Jungleist crews. And it was at that point,

804
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, up until that point, I thought he was

805
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: like an untouchable luminary because you know, he's on the

806
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: intro of public enemies, nation of millions. But it wasn't

807
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: until you know, when we got news of this happening.

808
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: Then I'd started hearing like some of the shadier things

809
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. But what what was Tim Westwood's role in

810
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: hip hop? And you know, again, I always think that forever,

811
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: whoever the poster boy is of the movement, there's always

812
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: some unspoken hero that really did the work or whatnot.

813
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: So I never know who to believe, Like is he

814
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: a hero? Is he a villain?

815
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: Is he let me say, all right, let me tell

816
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 5: you how realist is gonna get with me? Right? Okay,

817
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 5: talking about Tim Westwood. I don't care for Tim Westwood, Okay,

818
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 5: I have I have no inhibitions of saying that, knowing

819
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 5: that he's going to see this. You know, I don't.

820
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 5: I don't care for you. You noticed him, however, he

821
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 5: was everything to hip hop and provided us a place

822
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 5: and a space to be able to listen to the

823
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 5: music of the be, able to battle each other from

824
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: all the different corners of London. He was the only

825
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 5: person that got us a venue. And you was about

826
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 5: as big lean to the side. Yeah, it was about

827
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 5: as big as that, right, The venue was about as

828
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: big as that with the Michael Jackson, Billie Jean dance

829
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 5: floor right with the you know, absolutely right, and it

830
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 5: was only for two hours on a Saturday, so it

831
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 5: was a lunch time jam. So he didn't he didn't

832
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 5: even get a space, a big space for a long time.

833
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 5: He started off tiny with a amount of time that

834
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 5: he's still a space and a place where we could come.

835
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 5: We could listen to hip hop music and we could

836
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 5: battle each other, right, and we could expel us within

837
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 5: the culture. He did that and then from there what

838
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 5: he further did was got himself a small pocket of

839
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 5: time on BBC Radio. It wasn't BBC back then, it

840
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 5: was the other one. I can't bloody remember the Capital.

841
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 5: He got a radio show on Capital Radio where it

842
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 5: was a very short show, but it was the only

843
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 5: one that existed that played hip hop music. He is

844
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 5: the can't do it. He is the reason why there

845
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 5: were groups that were able to come over and do shows,

846
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: because without us being able to hear the music, and

847
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 5: without us being able to have somewhat of a scene

848
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 5: in England, there's no reason for us to want to

849
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 5: go out there to see any of your artists performed,

850
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: because we would not have been familiar with them if

851
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: it wasn't for Tim Westwood. He was the can't do

852
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 5: it for hip hop. He was one of the main

853
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 5: can't do it for hip hop culture. So this and

854
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 5: when I said to you in the beginning of me

855
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 5: even talking about you know, this is how real I'm

856
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 5: going to get it. If you hate me, give you

857
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 5: an speaking about somebody where I say to you, I

858
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 5: don't really care for them too much, but yet and

859
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 5: still I follow that by by telling you how important

860
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 5: this was to the culture as far as its progression

861
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 5: in Okay, you know what I'm telling you. You know

862
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 5: what I'm telling you is real.

863
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I can see that. Like Suge

864
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: Knight is a villain, but I won't deny the power

865
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: of death Row. Nobody's really good. Nobody wants to get

866
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: on this platform with me.

867
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 6: No, no, no Sugar for real. I mean the thing

868
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 6: with Sugar, I mean he even said it. The things

869
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 6: that he was doing back then, like you know, signing

870
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 6: artists to like, okay, we get a piece of.

871
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: Your publishing, your shows, your this.

872
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 6: You know, at the time, all the labels was like ah,

873
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 6: sugar is ripping y' all off.

874
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: That's bullshit.

875
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 6: But now they're all doing it now deal, Yeah, they

876
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 6: all is shuging your head. So he was in the

877
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 6: criminal he was just ahead of his time, right, exactly.

878
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: Exactly.

879
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: Comparison, I was going for that.

880
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: Supreme moment. Yeah, we can say, we can say if

881
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: you want to, are.

882
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 7: Based on my cluess loves supreme experience.

883
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: Prince m.

884
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 6: Pregnant pause, yeahgnant, Prince how give it to its like

885
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 6: break it down?

886
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: No, just because just on the perception of somebody doing

887
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: great but at the same time talking to like the

888
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: revolution and seeing on an individual level and as a

889
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: person he may not have always been like the nicest

890
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: and always exactly.

891
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 7: So I'm just saying that.

892
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, that's that's remember when you when you said, uh,

893
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 5: there was some disparaging stories and some people kind of

894
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 5: started coming out saying, oh, well, Tim, what's what did this?

895
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 5: And he did that? Fante would did you just say?

896
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 5: What was the word?

897
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so they got something in there.

898
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 7: You go, he's a dicks.

899
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: There, it's a lot of dicks.

900
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 7: That's you're doing a lot of great things. We're learning

901
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 7: that's what I want.

902
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 5: But but what can never be denied is that Timrod

903
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 5: Tim really provided a place in this space. But he

904
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 5: at least a single with just bad Prisons. And the

905
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 5: contract looked like you know how fact paper used to

906
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 5: come out with perforated parts the side. That's what the

907
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 5: contract looked like, right, And that's what the contract looks like.

908
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Next to paper bag.

909
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I had to take it to my parents

910
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 5: because I was too young myself, and I took it

911
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 5: to my dad and my dad did like this. My

912
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 5: dad just looked at it and went and that I

913
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 5: didn't sign that, and then that was you know, that

914
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 5: was that. But yeah, so I got found by a

915
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 5: legit label, which was Chrysalis, and I got signed to them,

916
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 5: which essentially got I think they got swallowed by EMI later. Yeah, yeah,

917
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 5: but back then they were predominantly a rock label. But

918
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 5: of course everybody was going around looking for the next

919
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 5: best trend. Hip hop was the next best trend. I

920
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 5: got found at a jam that I was participating in

921
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 5: and offered a record deal there, and their contract didn't

922
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 5: come off with fax paper with the perforated edges.

923
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: Wait. Actually, speaking of Westwood shows, I found out Carol

924
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: Lewis is still my agent twenty five years later, and

925
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: she told, Wow, she told me something really hilarious last year,

926
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: which was I didn't know about. So there's there's like

927
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: a slew of second generation hip hoppers like rock Him,

928
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: like Caine, Kaine not so much anymore, and Carris one

929
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: that have a fear of flying, yes, and has never

930
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: gotten on a plane.

931
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 5: I know, Kristen, Kristen. When Chris come over to do shows,

932
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 5: it would be like a month before he gets there.

933
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: Right, so ye. Carol Lewis told me that in May,

934
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: if she would book gigs for either Eric being Rock

935
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: Him or BDP and at the time Kane, they would

936
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: have to get on the Queen Mary for two weeks.

937
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: It takes two weeks to get from New York. Damn. See,

938
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: I was about to do it inappropriate Chris middle passage joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

939
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: it was hard for rappers so to get over there.

940
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: So like, how how often? At what point was seeing

941
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: American artists in the UK a normal thing and not

942
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: just a novelty?

943
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 5: Oh no, it became a normal thing put quickly, God

944
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 5: bless him. I don't I don't know if you ever

945
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 5: had an to meet this guy. But Dave Funking Clin,

946
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 5: Dave Klin, Yeah, Dave Funking Clin, he was the main ambassador.

947
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 5: Shows would be booked and he would bring artis over.

948
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 5: He was the main ambassador US ambassador to bring. He

949
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 5: bought over. I met my first American boyfriend through Dave

950
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 5: Funking Clin. He bought over Latif for True Mathematics, Chill,

951
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 5: Rob g and the for a Strigger shows in Camden Town.

952
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm gone to the Jungle Brothers.

953
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 5: I went to the show and I met the Junger

954
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 5: Brothers at ding Wolves, which was a club in Camden Town.

955
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 5: Over by day Funk and Klimb and one of the

956
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: Jungle Brothers, and I started dat Internet was Africa from

957
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 5: the Jungle Brothers.

958
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I'm gonna do my first conflict

959
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: of Ventures comment right now. Okay, now this is my

960
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: first Conflict.

961
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 5: Adventures conflict of interest comment.

962
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: Well, no, because Gracie told me something. Now here's the

963
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: thing I forgot the yeah. Yeah, So the Jungle Brothers, like,

964
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was like everything to me and Tarik

965
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: the second we saw them. Trek was like yo, everything

966
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: we were going into to Banana Republic. We dressed it

967
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: in all khakis and da da da da da, walking

968
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: around with sticks and staffs and all that stuff. So

969
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: we were like even before the zation all that shit,

970
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: like we were Jungle Brothers heads first. So I was

971
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: explaining to her that, you know, everything about Africa was

972
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: so cool to us, like his ad lips and everything,

973
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: and in our minds we thought that he was just

974
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: like he just sounded like a really cool forty year

975
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: old and Gracie was like he was the op. He

976
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: was like a mama's boy, like he had to like

977
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: get She's gonna kill me for saying this that you

978
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: know that Like in my mind, I'm thinking like when

979
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: Africa talks like he has a pipe or you know,

980
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: smoking tobacco and like doing old grandpop shit, and She's like, no,

981
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: like he had to get permission from his mom to

982
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: come out and stay out late and all these things.

983
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: And I just, in my that just totally ruined my

984
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: perception because I can't imagine this this cool ass sounding

985
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: dude like asking his mom permission to hang out on

986
00:58:59,320 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: the weekends.

987
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, right.

988
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: So basically they're there, you're plug into what would become

989
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: the connection.

990
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, because what happened was personally, Africa and

991
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: I started dating, and then professionally Africa was responsible for

992
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 5: recording half of my album. Oh yeah. And then that

993
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 5: is how I met where A deliberates his beats from

994
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 5: and has uh you know, brainstorming sessions with where he

995
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 5: gets his beats from. So that meant Juju from their.

996
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 1: Beat from the beat Nuts.

997
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's how I met Juju. And then obviously

998
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 5: that's how I met cut Tip also and Pass and

999
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: and uh May. That's how all of that transpired.

1000
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay, because I didn't hear that. You know, the beat

1001
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: Nuts are official or unofficial native tongues, but I know

1002
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: they did pretduction on your record. So basically absolutely was

1003
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: that the first time they did production.

1004
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 5: No, they are, they were beaten. Us were like the sauce,

1005
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 5: the creative beat sauce for Africa and and uh q

1006
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 5: Tip and this was all early.

1007
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: I would have ill records. You should use this, you

1008
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: should use this. We're not necessarily credited, but I get

1009
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: it now. Okay, I see.

1010
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 5: You're right saying you do. You're right in saying, oh

1011
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 5: my god, yeah, you do have to do a beating

1012
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 5: up because, oh my god, I cried my eyes out

1013
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 5: one time when Juju came and he didn't have my address.

1014
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 5: So when they when you get there and they ask you,

1015
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 5: what are you here for business? And he was here

1016
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 5: he said pleasure and they're like, where are you stay?

1017
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 5: And he's like, I don't know because he didn't have

1018
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 5: my address. Oh my god, and they searched him. Oh

1019
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 5: my god, and he called me and I was crying,

1020
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was horrible.

1021
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: And I was did they send him home? No?

1022
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 5: They luckily they didn't send him home, but he had to.

1023
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 5: They strip searched him. Oh my god, it was I.

1024
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: Was going to say that London, I've never Canada might

1025
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: be slightly I say, yeah, Canada, Yeah, Canada. Yeah, Canada's

1026
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: lacked up. I don't know if Canada has lacked up

1027
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: or is this the fact that people my age now

1028
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: are the authority figures? Right, So whoever's thirty and forty

1029
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: and fifty are now like, hey, quest love you guys

1030
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: do want to show here, which wasn't happening back then

1031
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: for ten years of my career.

1032
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was awful. I'm not going to give you

1033
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 5: the whole thing. Please when you speak to Juju, just

1034
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 5: ask him. And to this day, I think maybe four

1035
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 5: days four days ago, I apologize to him again for

1036
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 5: the fifty millionth time on Instagram on one of my fiends.

1037
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 5: In some comments, I was like, oh my god, I'm

1038
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 5: so sorry.

1039
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: Anal probe and rappers in the UK. Oh there's I mean,

1040
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: most rapped about it, most wrapped about it on his record.

1041
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,479
Speaker 1: The shit happened to me. I know at least five

1042
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: others like yeah, yeah, I was, no doubt, no doubt upset.

1043
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 5: Talk to Juju about that when you talk to him.

1044
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's it.

1045
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 3: Everybody deserves twenty four hours of preparation before something.

1046
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 5: Oh my preparation is the wrong word to use. Oh

1047
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 5: my god.

1048
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: A classic Richard Nichols movement. Rich Rich told us the

1049
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: way that we remedy that seriously, we would go to

1050
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: the UK. Rich would just be like, don't don't wash

1051
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: your nuts or your ass for three days straight and

1052
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: they'll skip it. And sure enough, no, I'm dead serious,

1053
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: Like we would go on a Friday, I might not shower,

1054
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, wear the same underwear or whatever. Nobody I'm

1055
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: serious like they would they would be. It was that's

1056
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: just very.

1057
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 7: Jack is an interesting sacrifice.

1058
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: This is a fascinating episode of Quesse. I'm dead serious

1059
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 4: ship that I've learned today.

1060
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: As racists, as racist as they are, they do not

1061
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: want to touch your black salty nuts. They don't want

1062
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: to search that bad. Hey.

1063
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 4: I never heard a better SoundBite by life than what

1064
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: I just heard in my ears.

1065
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is bad all right?

1066
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: So my iPhone is right next to me. Oh, he

1067
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: literally sirie google salty nuts. As racist as they are,

1068
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 1: they don't want to touch your black salty nuts.

1069
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 5: My god.

1070
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: And I'm turning the phone off. T shirts. Yeah, I'm

1071
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: turning my phone off, all right? So why am I.

1072
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 5: Thinking about South Park right now? Never mind?

1073
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead, chock the salty balls. You know that song

1074
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: was number one in the UK because when he passed away,

1075
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: When he passed away, and I think it was either

1076
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: his New York Times obituary or whatever, like they were

1077
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: like and Hayes was enjoying a comeback of sorts. His

1078
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: his hit shot with salty was the top ten, was

1079
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: the top ten. I don't think he wants that as

1080
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: his legacy. Yeah, it was a little crazy, all right.

1081
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: Can I ask, is I know what you're going to say,

1082
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: so you might as well just pop the balloon and

1083
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: deflate it. Are our third generational, our third generational people

1084
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: like me and Fonte and Bill. Whatever are we making

1085
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: and romanticizing the myth of native tongues more than what

1086
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: it was?

1087
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: Now?

1088
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 7: Oh?

1089
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean at its height? What was the environment like

1090
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: between nineteen eighty seven to eighty nine?

1091
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 5: It was a commune filled with creative waterfalls.

1092
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 7: That's a lot of sex. Well, a commune and waterfalls.

1093
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 7: You gotta put them.

1094
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 5: I said created but I said creative waterfall? You did?

1095
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 5: You did?

1096
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: But I was just reading between the lyrics. I wasn't

1097
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: going there.

1098
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I mean there was there were

1099
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 5: there were inter relationships, yes, okay, there were, there were

1100
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 5: definitely those, But it was just like it was like

1101
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,479
Speaker 5: it was like my kids made. My youngest thought made.

1102
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 5: She has me watching Mixed Dish with her every time

1103
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 5: they clicked back to the old scenes of when they

1104
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 5: were on the commune or what have you, right right,

1105
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 5: the commune. Okay, it was like that. It was like that,

1106
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 5: So it wasn't fake. It's it's like the romanticizing that

1107
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 5: you envision it was real. It was a real thing.

1108
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 5: It really was real.

1109
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad I asked you because you know, Dave and

1110
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: Pass will like roll their eyes like here it comes

1111
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: again with more. So, guys, what was it like when

1112
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: you guys discovered this breakfeat whatever?

1113
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 5: So David past first of all, because when we were

1114
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 5: in it, David Post were rolling the rise.

1115
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: Wow, you know what I mean.

1116
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: When we were in it, David Post was rolling the rise.

1117
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 5: Because that's just that's just who they are, you know

1118
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. The beats here right, and David pasta.

1119
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: Like doing the opposite, you know, and that's.

1120
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 5: Just who they are. That's just that's just who they are,

1121
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. It was just so freaking

1122
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 5: like nothing was a problem, Like if everything was just

1123
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 5: so cool. I remember one night, Masio was one of

1124
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 5: the last people to leave them. Like because first of all,

1125
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 5: when I say commune, I really meet commune. And the

1126
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 5: place of the Commune's existence main office was Calliope Studios

1127
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 5: in Manhattan. Ah okay, everybody's sessions was in Colliopees. It

1128
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 5: doesn't matter if it was cute, if it was tribe,

1129
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 5: if it was Dayla, if it was jungle. If it

1130
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 5: was me, if it was Latifa, it didn't you know,

1131
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 5: if it was black sheet dress and law, it doesn't matter.

1132
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 5: It was always Calliope Studios. We were always in Calliope Studios.

1133
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 5: Calliope Studios was the everything. It doesn't matter whose session

1134
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 5: it was, we were always there. And it was always

1135
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 5: egg flu young Why I don't know.

1136
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: Because very convenient.

1137
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 5: Oh it was th like, oh it was never it

1138
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 5: was always needs food.

1139
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: All right, So obviously you guys are post Latin order,

1140
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: or at least what you represent. And here's the thing,

1141
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: like everyone that's been on the reason why they were

1142
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: joking at the top, I want to know what that's

1143
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: the thing again, I'm I'm a guy that romanticizes and

1144
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: fetishizes everything, the lore of whatever. So you know, I've

1145
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: heard many stories about the Latin Quarter. So you know,

1146
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: half our guests that have been on the show are

1147
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, Latin Quarter luminaries. And so it almost became

1148
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: like the inside joke, like how long until a mere assay?

1149
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: But the thing I also didn't understand was that, like,

1150
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: why would somebody really want to risk their lives the

1151
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: way that I see it, Like you go to the

1152
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter and you're either going to have the time

1153
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: of your life and here's something really mind blowing, or

1154
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, you might get your chain snatched or you

1155
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: might get stab shot, killed, or hurt. And to me,

1156
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,839
Speaker 1: that wasn't risky enough just to hear, you know, ELL's

1157
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: booming system for the first time played by Red Alert

1158
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1159
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, but maybe maybe maybe it's because you're generation why

1160
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 5: you feel that way, because yeah, that was real, and

1161
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 5: that was it, and that was a risk that we

1162
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 5: were prepared to take.

1163
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,919
Speaker 1: That was the only place you could get it exactly.

1164
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: So what was by the time you came to the

1165
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: United States, and please explain that missing that playing back

1166
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: to London reference?

1167
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 5: Well, okay, missing the plane back to London reference. First

1168
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 5: of all, everybody was in the studio still I left.

1169
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 5: I was supposed to go back to for a few days.

1170
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 5: And the specific occasion I was supposed to go back

1171
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 5: to London for is Stevie Wonder's birthday party at Wembley Arena.

1172
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 5: Boy George not boy George George. Michael and I were

1173
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 5: supposed to seeing Happy Birthday to him.

1174
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, wow, Well, assuming there was nineteen.

1175
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 5: Ninety I missed, Yeah, it was I missed the plane.

1176
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: Whoa and wait wait you were damn for real?

1177
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I got back in a cab and

1178
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 5: I went back to Calliope and I went back session

1179
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 5: and they were doing doingthing and uh Africa and them

1180
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 5: was like, all right, you got you got eight, go

1181
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 5: do it. And that's exactly what I did.

1182
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: Wow. I never knew that reference.

1183
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, but I felt like I felt like shit,

1184
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 5: like I didn't. It was an achievement to go in

1185
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 5: and kick some rhymes. But those rhymes were real rhymes

1186
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 5: because I really I was like, I'm going to get

1187
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 5: in some people. Oh my god, like because I really

1188
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 5: did just miss the plane and I'm supposed to be

1189
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 5: at Wembley Arena in London for Stevie Wonder's Happy Birthday celebration.

1190
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, do you still regret it?

1191
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 5: I do regret it because I was I don't like

1192
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 5: not being where I'm supposed to be, and it was

1193
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 5: like giants, I was supposed to be on stage.

1194
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you gotta you have you have an immortalized verse.

1195
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 5: So I do have an immortalized verse, but it's for me.

1196
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 5: It serves the purpose of reminding me that I fucked up.

1197
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand. We go bro.

1198
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, because it wasn't a real reason. It wasn't

1199
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 5: a real it wasn't a real reason for me to

1200
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 5: be late. It was some some vain ship. I left

1201
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 5: this particular top that I wanted to wear, and I

1202
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 5: made the bloody driver go back to the house so

1203
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 5: I could get it.

1204
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: For good fellas, I don't fly it out my hat.

1205
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't fly it right, You're lucky. So what was

1206
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: the now? The one thing I don't know is post

1207
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter? What was now? The night Life eighty nine,

1208
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: ninety ninety one, Like, what's where do you? What's your

1209
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: weekly schedule in terms of like we hang at this

1210
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: club at this night and the Night and.

1211
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 5: The World on Little thirty Street in the meat Market

1212
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 5: section of Manhattan, on the west side Little thirty Street. Yeah,

1213
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 5: the World. The World was a club that Paradise run

1214
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 5: the door to Paradise Okay, yeah really, And it had

1215
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 5: five floors and on the roof it was it was

1216
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 5: a floor, but it was open obviously because it was

1217
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 5: a roof, and they used to do barbecue up there.

1218
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 5: So there's a house floor, there's the hip hop, the

1219
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 5: reggae floor, there's a cool out floor and then there's

1220
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 5: a barbecue on the roof.

1221
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I do have a question again, your your

1222
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: your speaking voice, in your rhyming voice or night and

1223
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: day like at that period in your teens, were you

1224
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: code switching a little bit in.

1225
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 5: Terms of unintentionally yes. And the reason here's where the

1226
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 5: code switching happened. It didn't happen because of music. It

1227
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 5: happens because I was going to school at George Wingate

1228
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 5: High School in Brooklyn, which was metal Detectors and like

1229
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 5: Brooklyn's version of Joe Clark. And it was just I

1230
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 5: didn't want the attention that I was getting. I had

1231
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 5: a Tony Braxton haircut before Tony Braxton, Okay, when I

1232
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 5: was going to school in Brooklyn. It was like eighty six, right,

1233
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 5: and I cut all my hair off. It was super

1234
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 5: super short, but it was it wasn't just cut. It

1235
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 5: was cut into a style for a sixteen fifteen, sixteen

1236
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 5: year old girl to have her hair or cut off

1237
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,919
Speaker 5: in a sleep out like that done yet in Brooklyn.

1238
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 5: I'm from England. I've got this crazy haircut. My style

1239
01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 5: of dress is different, and I'm getting viewed and called exotic.

1240
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 5: I don't like that term.

1241
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't so when people will walk up to you, like,

1242
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: just say something exactly, So, how did you what is

1243
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: your what is your Americanized New York?

1244
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 5: I studied, however spoke? I studied how everybody spoke?

1245
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: So how did you speak? Can you switch it? Right now?

1246
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 7: She goes in and out anyway?

1247
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 5: I do. I do come in and out anyway. We say,

1248
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 5: like to have me say something or say something to

1249
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 5: me that's gonna demand and answer and then I'll still

1250
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 5: do it.

1251
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: What what did you have for breakfast?

1252
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 5: In then?

1253
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: What did you say?

1254
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait wait, wait, wait

1255
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 5: a minute. First of all, okay, wait first, first of all,

1256
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 5: I don't even understand what you're saying.

1257
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: What you want your chop cheese?

1258
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 5: I don't eat know chop cheese. That's the Philly ship.

1259
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: No, it's not, that's New York.

1260
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 7: I don't even know.

1261
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 4: That's pretty good chop cheese is a New York Philly

1262
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 4: cheese steak.

1263
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: Never heard of that ship, neither Cameron made it famous.

1264
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's basically taking hamburger. It's making a hamburger,

1265
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: but then chopping up the Hamburger and putting on a

1266
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: hero role.

1267
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 5: That must be specifically some Harlem shit because it's.

1268
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: Chop Cheese got its fame around ninety seven, ninety eight. Yeah,

1269
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: on one hundred there's a spoint one hundred and tenth Street.

1270
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: It's at one point it was getting out of hand

1271
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: because like a lot of tourists were coming up there,

1272
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: like risking their lives in front of the projects to

1273
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: get the authentic Yes, the authentic chop cheese.

1274
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 5: It's a cheeseburger, a cheeseburger, cheese berger.

1275
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're dismissing it, making it sound like that,

1276
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: but it's okay.

1277
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 9: But for we never said we never said here I am,

1278
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 9: and this is it and this is what this is

1279
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 9: what it sounds like. And I used to go on

1280
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 9: Emphire and get either a blimpy sandwich or the Wendy.

1281
01:15:59,000 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: Is this fucking person?

1282
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 5: Person?

1283
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: Do you ever want your kids with that voice?

1284
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 4: Because that's like the next level ship when when yeah, yeah,

1285
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 4: angry McFee.

1286
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, angry McPhee is right, it's straight brit I can't

1287
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 5: even when I'm talking to them and it gets there.

1288
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's what that's that's the switching. And that's

1289
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 5: the studying that I did. I study how everybody else

1290
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 5: spoke like, you won't come, you won't come, get something

1291
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 5: to eat, You gon eat the school lunch. Now I

1292
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 5: don't want the school lunch. I'll come with you. Where

1293
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 5: we go in we go to white Where we go

1294
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 5: with the White Castle.

1295
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:45,440
Speaker 1: Oh all right, mooney, you know this question is coming, alright.

1296
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 5: Go ahead, you know it's coming, Okay, like it is

1297
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 5: a part of this too. I'm just I'm gonna just

1298
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 5: go ahead.

1299
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:55,919
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we ain't even talking about Jesus. Okay, nah, okay,

1300
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh wait, actually have to build up to it because

1301
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: we're still needed tongues. Fuck it, I'm going right to it.

1302
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: No built up, Yeah, no, built up.

1303
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 7: Let's see, we'll.

1304
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: Can you Well. I don't want you to tell the

1305
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: Big Daddy King story. However, I would like you to

1306
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: tell me what hip hop touring was like during that

1307
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: time period because and the reason why I really want

1308
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: to know is because I didn't realize that my group

1309
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: sort of set a precedent that I didn't realize wasn't

1310
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: the norm. Now. You know, you talked about you talked

1311
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: about jay Z's penchant. Uh, for the finer things whatever.

1312
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: But Tarik is very much the same way in you know,

1313
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: in his clothes and whatever. So I thought it was

1314
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: just we thought, or at least I thought it was

1315
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: some normal ship to be staying at a four seasons hotel,

1316
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: hell and these deluxe tour buses and all this shit.

1317
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize that was basically Turk demanding the rich, like, yo,

1318
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: I want to travel and comfort if I got to

1319
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: be on the road.

1320
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 5: Three Wait a minute, right, So by the time I

1321
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 5: met you guys, that's what the fuck you guys are.

1322
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but wait, here's the deal. Here's the deal.

1323
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: It took care to tell me. No, mere See, the

1324
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: problem is, you guys get hotels every night. Everyone gets

1325
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: their own suite every night, one to a room. You

1326
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: guys spend money. She got story, thousands of dollars. I

1327
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: didn't realize that the way that bands really do it

1328
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: is that if there's a show that night, they all

1329
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: shower at the venue, they sleep on the tour bus,

1330
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: and only on days off they might get a day

1331
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: room at a holiday inn or Sheridan. I mean, there

1332
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: was a disapperiod where it's like, yo, man, where's.

1333
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 5: Our money break down. Okay, there's there's an area. There's

1334
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 5: an area in between what you're saying you guys were

1335
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 5: doing and what you just described, because I wasn't doing

1336
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 5: no showering and there's no day room ship with no

1337
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 5: I wasn't no no, no, no, no no, I wasn't.

1338
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 5: I wasn't. There's I am very much a British girl, okay,

1339
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 5: and I will that.

1340
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 7: With a crest on your pocket. Would a crest on

1341
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 7: your pocket exactly?

1342
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 5: But what it was it was when I say middle

1343
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 5: of the road in between what you describe both things

1344
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 5: that you described is, yes, we did. We would ride

1345
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 5: the toil there's during the night, so we would be

1346
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,839
Speaker 5: in out since we would pull up not at a hotel.

1347
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 5: We would pull up firstly at the venue. By the

1348
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 5: time we pull up to a venue, the sound guys

1349
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 5: and stage guys they'd all be in there. Ship would

1350
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 5: have already been put up. We get in there, we

1351
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 5: do sound check first, then we get back in a

1352
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 5: bus and roll over to wherever the hotel is. Now

1353
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 5: the hotels would be your modern day. What they've turned

1354
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 5: them into is all these nice, these nice holiday in

1355
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 5: the type ones that have like the many apartments in

1356
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 5: the kitchen businesses. Yeah, that's today, that's what they are

1357
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 5: back then, good times. Bathroom very basic, two beds, two beds,

1358
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 5: full beds or twin beds. Bathroom very basic, right, And

1359
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 5: you know, now when I look at it, I'm like,

1360
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 5: oh I would not. But back then, man, when you

1361
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 5: when you're drunken, you want to lay down, oh my god,

1362
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 5: it's like yes please. Yeah, So that's what it was.

1363
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 5: They weren't. They were probably like two stars, three stars,

1364
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 5: two stars, so.

1365
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: Slightly above a Super eight. Who would be on tour

1366
01:20:58,439 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: around these times?

1367
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 5: Okay, best tour that I was ever on. Give you

1368
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 5: an example of who would be on these types of tours.

1369
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 5: And the interesting thing about the tours was they were

1370
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 5: also interchangeable what territories you go to. So, for instance,

1371
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 5: the tour was the Big Daddy Kane Tour, right, Big

1372
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 5: Daddy Kane, Headlines, Digital Underground, Queen Latifa, and Third Base.

1373
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 5: Those are the base groups Big Daddy Kane, Digital Underground,

1374
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 5: Third Base, Queen Latifa. At that time, I was a

1375
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 5: part of Queen Latita's camp because she Ladies First was

1376
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 5: apart very much a part of her show, and so

1377
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 5: I was on that entire tour. So those are the

1378
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 5: base groups always, right, So that's the base of your sandwich.

1379
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 5: Put it that way. But depending on what territories you

1380
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 5: go to, they would add this that would be EPM D.

1381
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 5: Or they would add some tomatoes which would be uh

1382
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 5: too sure, you know what I'm saying. So that's what

1383
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 5: I'm saying. It was like, and I'm using the sandwich

1384
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 5: analogy because it's like, depending on where you go, different

1385
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 5: ingredients are added to the show.

1386
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:15,520
Speaker 7: But still a hamburger.

1387
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they were and they were fun

1388
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 5: and it was interesting because I learned how to do

1389
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 5: the humpty hump while I was on that tour, and

1390
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 5: this time he taught me how to do humpty hump.

1391
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: What was his job in Digital Underground during that period.

1392
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 5: He was a roadie and a dancer. Wow okay, Yeah,

1393
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 5: And he figured that me and him were the same

1394
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 5: because he was a part of Digital Underground crew and

1395
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 5: I was a part of Latifa's crew, so he kind

1396
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 5: of figured we were the same. I tried to assure

1397
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 5: him that I had a much more president position than

1398
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 5: because I was actually rhyming on a song her say,

1399
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 5: oh you.

1400
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,799
Speaker 1: And me are kind of the same, right, Nah, yeah.

1401
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 5: He was, he was. Yeah, he was trying to do that.

1402
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 5: We know we're the same. And I was trying to

1403
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 5: tell him, no, one of these kids is doing his

1404
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 5: own thing, like you sets me street mofo go away.

1405
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 5: You had so you hadn't heard him rhyme at all

1406
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 5: before I did, because he made sure too. He walked

1407
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 5: around with a he walked around with a book of

1408
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 5: He never let that finger, he never let that thing goer.

1409
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 5: He walked around with that he was pestering. I joined

1410
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 5: the tour maybe two shows in because I went to

1411
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 5: Canada to see my mother first, because my mother lives

1412
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 5: in Toronto, so I went there first, and then I

1413
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 5: picked up the tour from Toronto. While I was still

1414
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 5: at my mother's house, this guy makes Kika and Allison,

1415
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: who were Latifa's two dancers, get on their phone to

1416
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 5: call me up to ask me when are you coming?

1417
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 5: You supposed to They're like, cause you please get her

1418
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,839
Speaker 5: already because this Tupac guy is getting on our nerves.

1419
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 5: He wants to meet you. He's really annoying, and so

1420
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 5: where are you coming? And I'm like, who is this

1421
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 5: weirdo that you guys are too, and I'm hearing him

1422
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 5: in the background like why is she coming. I'm like,

1423
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 5: don't put him on the phone with me. I don't

1424
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 5: know him, Like who is this weirdo anyway? And They're

1425
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 5: like he's part of digital Underground. I'm like, okay, well, guys,

1426
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 5: when I get there in two days time, but no,

1427
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 5: I don't want nobody I don't know, but like by

1428
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 5: and so when I get there, he's all like a

1429
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 5: kid in a candy store to meet me. And what

1430
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 5: it was was I have never met a bigger sand

1431
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 5: of hip hop period than that man. Like Wow, Tupac

1432
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 5: is the most enthusiastic, biggest sand of everything authentic in

1433
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 5: this culture. So that's where all the excitement was coming from,

1434
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 5: you know, back then. But you know, I'm the British girl.

1435
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,879
Speaker 5: I'm a little bit reserved and I'm kind of like, okay,

1436
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 5: like you're you sit down, You're just too much. We

1437
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 5: ended up being really good friends. It's funny because misconception

1438
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 5: on somebod on an interview that I did while back,

1439
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 5: where I said, yeah, we slept together, And it's funny

1440
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 5: because it's like the misconception was uh slept together being

1441
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 5: taken for more than a way exactly, because yeah, we did.

1442
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 5: We did sleep together because Alison and I, uh one

1443
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 5: of last season zisters and I we shared a room

1444
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 5: and Parc shared a room with Shock G. But if

1445
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 5: shot G had.

1446
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 3: A right, had more than Park because who was Park

1447
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 3: at the time.

1448
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 5: Exactly, And if that happened, Pop would come to our

1449
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 5: room and he would sleep Me and him would sleep

1450
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 5: in the same bed. And that's what that was when

1451
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 5: we saying, you know, we said because we were like

1452
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 5: the three Stooges, you know, three of us were always together.

1453
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 5: And as a matter of fact, we even had packed

1454
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 5: that in those hotels at the time, those two three

1455
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 5: star joints whatever, they would have the buffet breakfast every morning,

1456
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 5: but it happens exactly at six o'clock. A wee get

1457
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 5: on there soon after six o'clock to leave to go

1458
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 5: to the next town. If you weren't downstairs up ready,

1459
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 5: bright eyed, bushytailed, then in that room for six o'clock

1460
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 5: when that breakfast spread is put out, you're gonna miss it.

1461
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 5: And all of those places used to have the pancake special.

1462
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 5: We had a packed that we would always wake each

1463
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 5: other up to make sure that we don't miss the

1464
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,879
Speaker 5: pancake special, right, I forgot to wake pack up one morning.

1465
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 5: He missed the pancake special, and he stopped speaking to

1466
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 5: me for two weeks of the tour. He was very

1467
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 5: petty pancake. He stopped speaking to me.

1468
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's justifiable. Yeah, let's just he stopped.

1469
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 5: He stopped speaking to me. He he also hid the

1470
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 5: tabasco that I used to walk around with to put

1471
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 5: on my corn beef. How she hid it?

1472
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: Your own personal tabasco collection memory? Yes, I see. Okay, okay,

1473
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: the moany in the middle story. Can we can we.

1474
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 6: Get clarification because what what is the big Daddy Kane

1475
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 6: story that you mentioned?

1476
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: This is the money in.

1477
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 6: The middle story and the moaning middle story of.

1478
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 7: The build up. This is the build up that he

1479
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 7: was talking.

1480
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: About, Like in my mind based on the video. You know,

1481
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I thought the past point Dexter character was just some

1482
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: Steve Erkle dweeb. And I didn't know that it was

1483
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: a taste of chocolate. So okay, but I do know

1484
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: what even though stories, even though I know this story,

1485
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: and I know that you know a lot of my

1486
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: generation male rappers have fragile, a fragile egos when it

1487
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: comes to get rejected. I have to give him a

1488
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,879
Speaker 1: little bit of points for coming up with the most passive,

1489
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: aggressive way to figure out if you were into him

1490
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: or not.

1491
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 5: And that's what I give him props for. To listen,

1492
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 5: from beginning, from beginning to end, you must understand that

1493
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 5: Big Daddy Kane is absolutely the number one student of Dolomite. Okay,

1494
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 5: he is the number one student of Dolomite. Big Daddy

1495
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 5: Kane does not play himself. I need you to understand this.

1496
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 5: Big Daddy Kane does not put him put himself in

1497
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 5: a position where he can be viewed as playing himself.

1498
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 5: It just does not happen.

1499
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 7: That's why they love you.

1500
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So talk about the system.

1501
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 5: The system. This is the McDonald's system that Big Daddy

1502
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:55,799
Speaker 5: Kane came up with, Okay, in order to understand whether

1503
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 5: I liked him in that way or not. Okay, is

1504
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 5: this real life?

1505
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 7: You're saying? Real life?

1506
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: Y'all? Yes, we're officially hearing the Money in the Middle story.

1507
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 5: This is the story that inspired Middle.

1508
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: But there's some crazy ship.

1509
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 5: I've told you this you okay, all right, So we're

1510
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 5: we're in d C. I can't remember the name of

1511
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,560
Speaker 5: the hotel. But there's this one specific hotel that everybody

1512
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 5: whenever you go to d C, it was, that's the one.

1513
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 1: I only know this because old Daddy Bastard once crashed

1514
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 1: the car into one.

1515
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 5: Of the because I remember, Yes, that's the same, Yes,

1516
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 5: it's the same hotel. Do you know?

1517
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: All right, Fronte, you got to know this days in

1518
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: when when you're going to d C. Well you too,

1519
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: you know that days in check.

1520
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 7: It's a whole strip of hotels everybody using.

1521
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: Yes, but every rapper stays when they first start. Now

1522
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: in that days in all right lutely.

1523
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 5: So I attracted I don't know, the ladies first, and

1524
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 5: the whole nine yards and the vibe that it gives

1525
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 5: us a lot of women, a lot of girls on

1526
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 5: the sister Girl girls, sister power. You know. I attracted

1527
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 5: a lot of girls. And all the girl and all

1528
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 5: the girls had cars. All the girls had cars. So

1529
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 5: the guys that were all in whose room were they in?

1530
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 5: They were in Cane's room. Latifa was in there too.

1531
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 5: They were playing steel and they were stealing everybody's per

1532
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 5: diem money. Damn yeah, And so everybody get hungry. I

1533
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 5: was with I was actually dating. No, I wasn't dating

1534
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 5: him yet, but I liked him. Uh, scrap lover one

1535
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 5: of one of the big day Knees dances. Okay, but

1536
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 5: he didn't know it yet. I didn't say anything. I

1537
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 5: just peeped him. I thought he was cute whatever. So anyway,

1538
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 5: they come to me, Scuba Scrap come to me and

1539
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 5: they're like, oh, everybody in the room wants to see

1540
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 5: if they could get something to eat. Do you think

1541
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 5: one of your girlfriends would A couple of them would

1542
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 5: drive us over to the McDonald's. There was a McDonald's

1543
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 5: close by, so I was like, I'll ask, and I

1544
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 5: asked a couple of the girls. They're like, yeah, money

1545
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 5: will do anything for you. We'll drive over to the

1546
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 5: Who do you need us to take? So three cars

1547
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 5: when we had three cars for three different girls going

1548
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 5: over to the McDonald So scuper Scrap was getting everybody's orders.

1549
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 5: So we get to the McDonald's, we're standing online and

1550
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 5: then Scrap Bother turns to me and says, all right,

1551
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 5: this is how this is gonna go. Cain wants to

1552
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 5: know if you like him. It's what's gonna happen If

1553
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 5: you do, you walk in. You hold his food when

1554
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 5: we get back, and you hand it to him, and

1555
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 5: that way he'll know, yes, you do like him. If not,

1556
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 5: then I'll just give him his food regular just myself.

1557
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: Place it on the night stand or on the far

1558
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 1: table right.

1559
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 5: So then so then to Scrap, well, it looks like

1560
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 5: you're going to be giving him his food. And he

1561
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 5: was like why, and I was like, because I like you.

1562
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: So just just so we know, this is this is

1563
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 1: this is the Black Serrano diversi act stories of which

1564
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Kane ask Sereno diversi act is telling his boy give

1565
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: her instructions on how let her know if it's on

1566
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, it's like fist grade. I love it.

1567
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's like scrap and Scrap says he Scrap says.

1568
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: It looked like I'm gonna be giving him back tonight. Wait,

1569
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: what was Scrap throwing off? Did he know that you

1570
01:32:58,160 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: dug him?

1571
01:32:58,680 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 5: He didn't?

1572
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 7: Did he give him the bad he gave?

1573
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 5: He gave Kanu's food and then and then you know,

1574
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 5: he gave Kanu's food and then came you know, Caine

1575
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 5: didn't make no face or nothing like that. It just

1576
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 5: was what it was.

1577
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,800
Speaker 1: That that to me, is that yeah, that that's the

1578
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: next level of yes no, or maybe.

1579
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 5: It is like the little note that you send.

1580
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: But it was a quarter founder or not? Wow, what

1581
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: inspired you to make a song about it?

1582
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 5: Don't no, I have no idea why. I it started

1583
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,639
Speaker 5: talking to me when I started hearing the beat, because

1584
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 5: of course Monium Noddle was produced by the Faiyan Cannibals

1585
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 5: by Andy Cocks and David Steele. And when I heard

1586
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 5: it was the runaway breakbeat. Correct, Yeah, So when I'm

1587
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 5: listening to it, it just started talking to me, and

1588
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 5: I just started replaying that whole DC night in my head,

1589
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 5: and I was like, I was in the middle. I

1590
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 5: was in the middle.

1591
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I was definitely in the Actually wait, wait, I gotta

1592
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 1: correct myself. And only only because Sheila Sheila E corrected

1593
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: me on this is that we call that. We call

1594
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: that drum track the runaway break, But we only found

1595
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: out that because of the way that they rhythmically segued

1596
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: that album Runaways technically the last thing said on the

1597
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: song before. But because it's in rhythm, every DJ that

1598
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: spends that break thinks that it is the top of

1599
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: the break, when actually it's just ending the song before it,

1600
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 1: and then the breakbeat starts and it's if I could

1601
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: start my life over things you learn? Right? Yeah? No, no, no.

1602
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 1: For the longest told me, well no, like every every

1603
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: producer is like saying it wrong because it's the song

1604
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: before and then if I had to start my life

1605
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: over is actually the name of the you know is

1606
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: wow break so so so you went so to be clear,

1607
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: so you went scrap ended up dating later? Did y'all

1608
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 1: got with dating? And you kane never dating? Okay? Gotcha?

1609
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 7: And mo was your birth control?

1610
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 3: Because it's funny because I would have never known how

1611
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 3: hard money in the Middle actually is to perform until

1612
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 3: I actually did it one day for your birthday. But

1613
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 3: your breath control is kind of crazy. Was it always

1614
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 3: like that?

1615
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 5: Or did? Yeah?

1616
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:32,799
Speaker 1: Really?

1617
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1618
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 1: It sounds like control.

1619
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 4: To make sure I was one, I was like, this

1620
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 4: is I know.

1621
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 5: Her birth control?

1622
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 7: Her birth control wasn't crazy?

1623
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,799
Speaker 5: I know. No, my birth introl sucks?

1624
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah yeah.

1625
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: Time out Yeah all right. Wait, we should also clarify

1626
01:35:54,640 --> 01:36:00,799
Speaker 1: that the lyrical the lyrical complexity of that song, which

1627
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: I believe you're talking about the hook is two people.

1628
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 1: And this is also a good time to bring Lashawan absolutely,

1629
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: so wait I always wanted to know because I never

1630
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: got to talk to Lashawan. And of course Lashawan is

1631
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: the voice of ellll Is doing it absolutely and Shana

1632
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: of Biddies in the BK Lounge, the woman of a

1633
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: billion voices and the original doing it well. On what

1634
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: role was she in this native tongue universe because we

1635
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: first heard her on Biddy's in the b K Lounge

1636
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 1: and eventually on Mooney in the Middle, and she went

1637
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,600
Speaker 1: under the name I'm and Joy was she eventually?

1638
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 5: Like?

1639
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: Who was she the protege of? And how she started

1640
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: hanging around?

1641
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 5: She's an MC in her own right. And I don't

1642
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 5: know how she met the Jungle Brothers, but I met

1643
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 5: her because I was date in Africa and she was

1644
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 5: actually dating Sammy b and she and t have a

1645
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 5: son together. Her first child is Sammy Beat okay. And

1646
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 5: so I was fresh from England and she wanted people

1647
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 5: the women that I met when I came here to

1648
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 5: this country as Africa's girlfriend, you know, Africa's girlfriend who

1649
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 5: has a record deal, who he's producing the rest of

1650
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 5: her album. And she's one of the first women that

1651
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 5: I met, and she and I became sisters real quick.

1652
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 5: She's Brownsville, Brooklyn girl. She don't play.

1653
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: By that voice. I can tell it.

1654
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 5: Okay.

1655
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: Were there immediate plans to like get her a deal

1656
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: or she?

1657
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 5: Oh? No, she was. She was an artist in her

1658
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 5: own right. She had the deal. She was signed to

1659
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 5: Wild Pitch the original doing it right.

1660
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: But as I'm enjoyed, did she ever get no?

1661
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 5: No? No. She was signed as Alma Joy. That's her

1662
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 5: artist's name. Her real name is Lashawan. She was signed

1663
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 5: for Wild Pitch as Almond Joy doing it well, God

1664
01:37:59,479 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 5: flips on.

1665
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: I totally what's the name of the song on the

1666
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 1: B side?

1667
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 5: Totally awesome?

1668
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I see so okay. In doing Ladies First, which

1669
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: you know has has gone down in history, how did

1670
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: that collaboration come to be?

1671
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 5: Well? Number one, I told you that Dave Funking client

1672
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 5: bought True Mathematics younger brothers ChIL Rubg and Queen Latifa

1673
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 5: to England and they did a stream of shows and

1674
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 5: they were at Camden and that's where I met them.

1675
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1676
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 5: Well, after that they had they drove over to England

1677
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 5: on a tour bus that they picked up in Germany

1678
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 5: and it was a German bus driver. And he couldn't

1679
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 5: make heads and tails of the UK maps to be

1680
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 5: able to get from A to B to their next shows.

1681
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 5: So funking client asked me, would I mind riding the

1682
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 5: bus with them getting the maps out, sitting next to

1683
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 5: the bus driver to help me, which is why in

1684
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 5: the documentary that you did quest And when Shaquin was

1685
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 5: talking he said money was kind of like a tour guide.

1686
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 5: He's right. I was like a road manager at that

1687
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 5: young age because I got the maps out. I was

1688
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 5: sitting at the front of the bus with the bus

1689
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 5: with the German. I was the GBS the original original series.

1690
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 5: And from doing that we wound it up, and we

1691
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 5: wound up excuse me. In Bristol one night they had

1692
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 5: a show. It was on a barge. So it was

1693
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 5: do you guys know what I mean when I say

1694
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 5: barge right, it was like a house boat club, like

1695
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 5: a club on a houseboat right on the river Virgin

1696
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 5: And okay, and so Latifa and I was in were

1697
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 5: in the back. She was waiting like a little green

1698
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 5: room or what you know, if you may, and she

1699
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 5: and I were talking and she was like, you know,

1700
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 5: I heard you rhyme. You know I'm saying let me

1701
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 5: hear it or something, and I gave her a looks up.

1702
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 5: She's like, that's dope. Sound together. We didn't ladies first

1703
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,600
Speaker 5: until maybe six seven months after that convers but that

1704
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 5: was the night in Bristol or on a barge that

1705
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 5: Latif and I had the conversation about doing a song together.

1706
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: Speaking of the uh, the the allure of native tongues.

1707
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: When do you officially, when do you officially feel like

1708
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: the movement that was once the native tongues is over? Now?

1709
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 5: I still don't feel like that. Oh okay, yeah, maybe

1710
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 5: that's just me. I still don't feel like that. I

1711
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 5: don't feel like that. I think we're I think we

1712
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 5: are in the midst of the strangest and longest hiatus ever.

1713
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 1: Okay, how but there was a period where it got

1714
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: awkward awkward.

1715
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 5: But no, no, that's a good word. No no, no,

1716
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 5: keep that it's a good word awkward.

1717
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: And since and since you're my closest connection to Africa,

1718
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 1: and since I just paid about fifty bucks for that

1719
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: freaking record. Uh, they just re released the original Crazy

1720
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: Wisdom Masters, which is really not that different. They okay,

1721
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: so the third album after done by the Forces of

1722
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: Naister was called crazy Wisdom Masters, and so I guess

1723
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 1: the way that the story went was that by the

1724
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:27,719
Speaker 1: time that Benny Medina had really come at the Helm

1725
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: of Warner Brothers, he was like, nah, it ain't happening right.

1726
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 1: He sent the record back and then they made a

1727
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: crazier record.

1728
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 5: Which was I just I don't understand Africa. No, no,

1729
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 5: I don't understand him.

1730
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: Wait he was you were on warners.

1731
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 5: I just yeah, but you would you would think that

1732
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. I just I guess

1733
01:41:55,240 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 5: I can't meet people and and have such close ties

1734
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 5: with people and and have so much involvement with people

1735
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 5: and then just completely drop them afterwards. I don't know

1736
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 5: how to do that. He knows how to do that

1737
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 5: very well.

1738
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1739
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 5: Did you even know that he was my oldest child's

1740
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 5: god and he forced himself to be like he really

1741
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 5: made it a big deal to be like I want

1742
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 5: to be her golf Like why because it's like years later.

1743
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 7: She doesn't even know him.

1744
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 5: He no, oh wow, Yeah, it's an interesting dude. But anyway,

1745
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 5: you were saying.

1746
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: Well, no, I it just hit me now that he

1747
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 1: was also I guess assuming that he was head of

1748
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 1: your division as well. It's so weird because if I

1749
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: could mark the sort of weird point of Warner Brothers,

1750
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,799
Speaker 1: at least with Kane's career, with Prince's career.

1751
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 5: Also he also he also or frustrated that whole Peter,

1752
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 5: that whole Prince thing with me.

1753
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: Right when he came aboard, things got a little different.

1754
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm personally cool with him.

1755
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 6: But Na when she know whack that was like Warner

1756
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 6: if you just I you were a DJ, if you

1757
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 6: saw a Warner brother sticker and you knew it was

1758
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 6: some bullshit off rip, you was like, nah, it's wanted

1759
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 6: this ship whack right, and.

1760
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 1: Ah, so yeah, I was going to ask what was

1761
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: it like being under that, Like did you did you

1762
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 1: have a relationship with Moe Austin at the time or

1763
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1764
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 5: I didn't. My relationship was Peter Edge, Benny Mezina time out.

1765
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 1: Peter Edge was at Warner too, Pizza.

1766
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 5: Edge, I'll do better than at Wanna. Pizza Edge came

1767
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 5: from England to the United States to Warner Brothers, made

1768
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:59,759
Speaker 5: that transition during my first album. During my transition, Pizza

1769
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 5: Edge was my an r at Chrysalis, cool.

1770
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 1: Tempo okay, yeah, so exactly.

1771
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 5: So Peter Edge came from there with me. It was

1772
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 5: like the trinity. It was like my liver, Puddle and manager,

1773
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 5: Steve Finnan and Peter Edge. Three of us came from

1774
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:22,520
Speaker 5: England to the United States.

1775
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Peter Man like God, the there was a night where

1776
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 1: listen a mayor.

1777
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 5: I gave him so much ship. I gave him so

1778
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 5: much ship about that Prince thing. I didn't want to

1779
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 5: do it. I was annoyed. I was like, what does

1780
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 5: this have to do with hip hop? I gave Peter

1781
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 5: Ridge so much ship and he was so smart, he

1782
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 5: was just so smart with it. And I just the

1783
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 5: plane ride, the plane ride to Minneapolis, I was being

1784
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 5: a bitch. I don't want to be here. I don't

1785
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 5: want to be on this plane. Why am I going

1786
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 5: to Minneapolis? What does Paisley have to do with hip hop?

1787
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 3: And I didn't prince at all, like you know, no,

1788
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 3: not even with his legacy.

1789
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,640
Speaker 5: And I loved his I loved him for him, But

1790
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 5: you said I could not understand the mass.

1791
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: You're afraid of your credibility of doing something? Absolutely yeah,

1792
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: And the thing was from for me.

1793
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 6: It's just so interesting to hear the way you talk

1794
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 6: about the money, because to me, in a word or two,

1795
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 6: is the only time that Prince ever got hip hop

1796
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:27,719
Speaker 6: halfway right, Like like, you know, I loved that song,

1797
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Like, I loved that song,

1798
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And I thought I always

1799
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 6: thought it was very unique. How you you know what

1800
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Were the MC were the only time that

1801
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 6: Prince ever got hip hop right because all the rest

1802
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 6: of that ship, when you tried to do some rap shit,

1803
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 6: that Gold Nigga album and all that shit, no.

1804
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: No, But in a word or two, I love that song.

1805
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I was like, what was it like? And how long

1806
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 1: did you stay at Paisley Park?

1807
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 5: Oh? My god, I was there forever he had. He

1808
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 5: made a comment for my husband at the time, he

1809
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:05,640
Speaker 5: made accommendations for my brand new baby, which is Charlene.

1810
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 5: At the time, he was like, whatever it is going

1811
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 5: to be to keep her happy, for her to be

1812
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 5: here for a long period of time to work, That's

1813
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 5: where I'm going to have her. And even to the

1814
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 5: point where he had shows to do at Earl's Court

1815
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,719
Speaker 5: in England. So I thought we were going to break

1816
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 5: and we were going to get to go back to

1817
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 5: New York for a little while. Nope, he made He

1818
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 5: pulled me and my husband and my brand new baby

1819
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 5: to England also for the duration of his shows in England. Also, wow,

1820
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 5: the same hotel.

1821
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:42,600
Speaker 1: Was the prime purpose to strictly write for Carmen or

1822
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 1: was it like, Okay, I'll do Carmen's album and I'll

1823
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 1: do your record as well.

1824
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what it was. Because See the thing is

1825
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 5: when Peter rech first sat me down and told me

1826
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 5: the whole thing. You know, he wants you to write

1827
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 5: for Carmen Electure, I was like, all right, cool, but

1828
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 5: then it was like, and he's going to do a

1829
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 5: certain amount of songs on your album. That's when I

1830
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:04,639
Speaker 5: was like, nahna that that's what I was like, why, why,

1831
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 5: why can't I just do that?

1832
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: All right? So my first visit to Paisley Park one

1833
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: of the most shocking things that I discovered. I went

1834
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:20,440
Speaker 1: to his office is connected to like Studio A, and

1835
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, while Fimi Jay I was sort of looking

1836
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the other way, I snuck on Prince's office just to

1837
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: look at his record collection and see like what was

1838
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: into So I saw a CD player and I was

1839
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 1: shocked that Midnight Marauders was in it.

1840
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 5: Oh wow.

1841
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, Prince listen to tribe. That's crazy.

1842
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 5: Wow.

1843
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: What was his IQ into? As far as like hip

1844
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,080
Speaker 1: I was concerned how much did he know about you?

1845
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: How much did he know about all those things?

1846
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 5: He did not talk to me about native tongues, He

1847
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 5: did not talk to me about hip hop period that

1848
01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 5: he knew everything about me. He knew the songs that

1849
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:07,640
Speaker 5: I had released prior to coming to America, prior to

1850
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 5: coming prior to being signed to because he knew my

1851
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 5: cool tempo. Shit, you know what I'm saying. He knew that. Yeah,

1852
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 5: he knew that ship. He even knew he even knew

1853
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:19,679
Speaker 5: my Just Bad Productions release.

1854
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:23,959
Speaker 3: As we remind our younger listening audience that the Internet

1855
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 3: was not around at the time, So this is a

1856
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 3: big deal.

1857
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knew. He knew about me enough

1858
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 5: to be able to It wasn't just It really wasn't

1859
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,640
Speaker 5: a cold working environment. It was going to be a

1860
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 5: teachable moment for you. Momy these weeks that your hair

1861
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 5: is going to be a teachable moment for you. Learn

1862
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 5: I learned. I learned to stop fighting fighting creativity because

1863
01:48:54,880 --> 01:49:00,439
Speaker 5: that entire experience with Prince was just a damn flusit

1864
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 5: flowing of creativity that I was fighting because of a

1865
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 5: general pig headed bias of non hip hop and I

1866
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,639
Speaker 5: gotta stay hip hop and I can't. I can't get

1867
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 5: involved in any other type of influence of music to

1868
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 5: interfere with my hip hop. Prince taught me to relax.

1869
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 5: Something you are the hip hop. Whatever you do is

1870
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 5: going to be the core of what you want to express,

1871
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 5: but allow some of the other sources to flow through

1872
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 5: you because it's going to make you grow on a

1873
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 5: creative level.

1874
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 1: Exactly was there any fear or in trepidation in your

1875
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 1: husband at the time in his mind that Prince was

1876
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 1: just trying to groom you to being a long line

1877
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:58,839
Speaker 1: of muse slash Prince Johns.

1878
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 5: No, because I was too fat. I just had a baby,

1879
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 5: right I was.

1880
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, yeah, I think the baby might have

1881
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: saved you.

1882
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 5: You know. I mean although although listen to this, though

1883
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 5: he was with my Tay at the time, and he

1884
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 5: this was prior to them their their child, you know. Blessed,

1885
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 5: Blessed the little angel in heaven.

1886
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 1: In fact, his name was a mirror Wow.

1887
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 10: Wow Wow, and and he had a fascination with babies

1888
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 10: because he had me bring her to a show one

1889
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 10: of the shows that he did in Earth's Court when

1890
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 10: I had to go to England when he was doing

1891
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 10: shows at Earth's Court.

1892
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 5: And I went to the show and I had her

1893
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,600
Speaker 5: in my arms and during the middle of during an

1894
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 5: eight bar break in it, oh sexy, sexy, m f right,

1895
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 5: he came to the side of the stage and was like,

1896
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 5: go do eight bars right now. I'm like what, I

1897
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 5: had the baby in my arms. He was like, give

1898
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 5: me the baby.

1899
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, yes, that's crazy, and.

1900
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 5: He said give me the baby. So I handed him Charlena.

1901
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 5: So he's standing at the side of the stage with

1902
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,719
Speaker 5: Charlene and he's like, go ahead, go do eight bars.

1903
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 5: So I went out. I went out there, I totally

1904
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,600
Speaker 5: blacked out did eight bars because it was shocked and

1905
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 5: it was fair and it was just like, I went

1906
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 5: I did the eight bars, I came back off, he

1907
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 5: handed me the baby. He ran back out and continued.

1908
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 5: And these are the things that he taught. He really

1909
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:37,840
Speaker 5: encouraged me to conquer any fears that I may have had,

1910
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 5: whether it be in performing or whether it be in creating,

1911
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 5: and pancakes are a real thing. Pancakes are a real thing.

1912
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 5: That pancakes are a real thing. Yes, yes, he made

1913
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 5: me the pancakes dressed as Prince I don't wear.

1914
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 4: Everything comes down to pan cakes in this particular episode fantastic.

1915
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it was really it was. It was

1916
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 5: so strange, but but I didn't realize. I didn't make

1917
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 5: the connection until years later when I was watching the

1918
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 5: Chappelle Show m hm, and then I was like, and

1919
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 5: then I was like, holy ship, he does this pancake ship?

1920
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 1: He does that?

1921
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 3: Does this mean most that you were actually in the

1922
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 3: studio with Carmen Electra, like you had.

1923
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: To, dude. She wrote everything go all this ship?

1924
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 7: So what is that like?

1925
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 5: Like?

1926
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:31,599
Speaker 7: Because this is the first.

1927
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Time I want to ask about all that.

1928
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 7: Now because no, we there, We're there there.

1929
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So for those who don't know, in one

1930
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,719
Speaker 1: of these strangest what was what was the old boy's

1931
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 1: name that Jane Finder used to be married to? Wasn't

1932
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 1: he would like colorize all his classics? Yeah? And right,

1933
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 1: So for Prince fans, he took the Adore reels and

1934
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 1: redid a door with Carmen called all that and yeah,

1935
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 1: it didn't go down to too well. But what was

1936
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 1: it like working with Karma Karma Carmen at the time period?

1937
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: I mean you you basically built her, You built it was.

1938
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 5: It was fun. It was fun. She's she's absolutely, she's

1939
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 5: she was. Actually she was actually the hip hop fan

1940
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 5: in the room.

1941
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 1: Wow.

1942
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,639
Speaker 7: Really yeah, because because where's Carmen from?

1943
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 5: I can't remember? But it was ghetto as fuck, really

1944
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 5: really really really yeah, like it was.

1945
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 1: It was And she didn't come in the door as

1946
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,719
Speaker 1: that image or that name. So during this period you're

1947
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: getting to know her as whatever, what is it? What

1948
01:54:02,439 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: is it? Room Electric? Damn? It's terribly Patrick, Damn. How

1949
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:09,520
Speaker 1: did you know that?

1950
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 4: Because I got because I got Google, Bitch, you knew

1951
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:14,719
Speaker 4: that already.

1952
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, comfortable. That came from a recalled memory.

1953
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 5: Does it say where she's from.

1954
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 1: Working on that as we spoke, Yeah, because he has

1955
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 1: just because I don't know off the top exactly she's

1956
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 1: from Sharonville, Ohio exactly.

1957
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 5: Can you go meth lab? There you go?

1958
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 1: Right, the four meth labs were a thing. She was

1959
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 1: like the first meth labber An Electric could have been

1960
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: she could have been the first Nikki Minaj at.

1961
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 5: This bitch exactly.

1962
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 1: Well, he tried it.

1963
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 5: Let's see what what I'm saying is, I remember that

1964
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 5: she was from some place that that wasn't you know,

1965
01:54:55,320 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 5: hoity toity, you know, pretty city. She he was from

1966
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 5: someplace rough. And that's from speaking to her and and

1967
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 5: developing a friendship in a relationship with her to this

1968
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 5: day me and Carmen a lecture a call to this,

1969
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, which is so dope, but

1970
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 5: to this day, and that's that was the rap fan,

1971
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 5: and that was the real hip hop fan in the

1972
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,879
Speaker 5: in the in the room. Is that way she knew everything,

1973
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 5: She knew everything, she knew everyone.

1974
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: I could tell she was a fan, like you know, wow.

1975
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is which is another reason why like which

1976
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 5: is another reason why she caught my ship Like this,

1977
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 5: like this, and I write, I don't write specifically to

1978
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 5: cater to uh people that can't breathe, you know what

1979
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, I write specifically intricate. I write in

1980
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 5: a manner in which I don't want people to be

1981
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 5: able to recite my ryme. Yeah, that's how I write,

1982
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 5: you know. I specifically write complicated, double double.

1983
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 1: I still can't say the word Mary Lee exactly. You

1984
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: can't say to either, oh my gosh, Charlie Patrick, what

1985
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm here?

1986
01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, she she that girl is incredible. She's and

1987
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 5: it's like she's not the first person. She's not the

1988
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 5: first woman to have although it might be the first

1989
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 5: woman with her lyrics written by a woman. The first

1990
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 5: woman is Rhyman with her lyrics written by another woman.

1991
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 5: That might be a first exactly, But she caught everything

1992
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 5: she caught. And that's why I bet you when you

1993
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 5: heard get On Right, I bet you when you heard

1994
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 5: that song you said to yourself, that sounds like money.

1995
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 1: No, I mean you know I knew that someone. I

1996
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: believe that at the time, the same could be safe

1997
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:23,080
Speaker 1: for Tony m there there. It was like that the

1998
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 1: DNA was real hip hop at the time, like what

1999
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 1: you were doing when rock Him was doing, what Kine

2000
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 1: was doing, like all that iambic pentameter. You know so, yes,

2001
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 1: moan so in your transition to radio, how awkward was

2002
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 1: it at the time in doing that?

2003
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 5: Not awkward at all. I didn't. Again, again, I can't.

2004
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 1: I can't even say diversiac. So you know, I'll be.

2005
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 5: Hold on.

2006
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 1: You just turned into a different bird. It's like, there

2007
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 1: should be no reason why I sho know syrh I

2008
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 1: know syranh though, Okay, I would just say take the

2009
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: diverse rect I like it. Take the dice you, Steve Barton,

2010
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 1: there you go. References on the phone for you up man, Wow,

2011
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 1: what timing anything like that or in proper nowns that

2012
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: Amir does not know how to.

2013
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 6: Say, Mary Lee, Oh damn.

2014
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:42,840
Speaker 1: You were not cricature. Best wedding gift ever.

2015
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 4: The caricature You're still clutching something loud and wrong, so loud,

2016
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:49,320
Speaker 4: go loud.

2017
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 5: Proud and you said that loudly.

2018
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, full of people.

2019
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 7: It was a lovely cricature.

2020
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 1: Me and my wife at his wedding.

2021
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 4: They gave everybody their own care and we all like

2022
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 4: what was like, what the fricature?

2023
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,320
Speaker 7: Yes, so money you need to teach these guys. Maybe

2024
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 7: some English.

2025
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 4: Lessons, Yeah, I ambic pentameter, what the fuck?

2026
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Well yeah, but the thing is money is

2027
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:16,520
Speaker 1: that assuming that you didn't go to communications school to

2028
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 1: learn to do this in front sale and back sale

2029
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. See, I'm even forgetting the terms for a radio.

2030
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 1: How how much of a crash course did it take

2031
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 1: for you to master it?

2032
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 5: It was like night school, and honestly, a whole sitcom

2033
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 5: could be made out of night school on radio actually

2034
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 5: learning how to broadcast during the unsociable hours of the

2035
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:41,880
Speaker 5: morning to the point, to the point. And it was

2036
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 5: me and miss Jones together.

2037
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: Fuck it was Miss Jones. Yeah, you started in Philly.

2038
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 5: No, we both saw it at Hot ninety seven in

2039
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 5: New York.

2040
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

2041
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 5: And Steve Smith?

2042
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 1: Who what did that? Who offered that? How did that

2043
01:59:58,680 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 1: come to be?

2044
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 5: They had they had ed and Dre in the morning,

2045
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 5: they had funk Master Flex, they had Angie from whatever

2046
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:09,920
Speaker 5: station it was before flipped and they kept Angie and uh,

2047
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 5: somebody's bright idea to Steve Smith, who was the person

2048
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 5: that flipped the station, was like, you should seek out

2049
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:21,520
Speaker 5: some other bonafide potential personalities that you think would fit.

2050
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 5: My manager got the call to bring me in to

2051
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:26,320
Speaker 5: meet with Steve Smith. I went in. He said, how

2052
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,040
Speaker 5: do you feel about being on the radio? And I

2053
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 5: said for why? Like why would I want to be

2054
02:00:33,320 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 5: on the radio?

2055
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 7: You know at the time, are you still were you eat?

2056
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 7: Were you auditioning still?

2057
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 3: Or you were just like the one one acting thing

2058
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 3: that I'm out or was that before I'm trying to

2059
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:44,280
Speaker 3: put the timeline together.

2060
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:45,000
Speaker 5: Doing what now?

2061
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 7: Acting?

2062
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:47,040
Speaker 1: What did I miss acting?

2063
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 7: Because she did?

2064
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,160
Speaker 5: I did? Who's the man? And strapped?

2065
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Strapped?

2066
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:54,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean that type of stuff was happening then.

2067
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 5: I was still recording music, you know. So it's like,

2068
02:00:57,120 --> 02:00:58,280
Speaker 5: what do I want to be in a radio for?

2069
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 5: I know nothing about being on the radio, Steve Swistel,

2070
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:02,640
Speaker 5: Because like, I will teach you and I will get

2071
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 5: your FCC license for you. What the heck is an

2072
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 5: FCC license?

2073
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 1: To day? I was going to ask that and do

2074
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 1: we need it?

2075
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:09,880
Speaker 7: No?

2076
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:13,240
Speaker 5: But you no, you don't. But you on terrestrial radio

2077
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,879
Speaker 5: you had to have an FCC license back in the days.

2078
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,600
Speaker 1: Be able to pronounce terrestrial radio. Yeah, I was going

2079
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 1: to skip that word because you know.

2080
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:25,560
Speaker 7: And where you and where you got secrets?

2081
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 3: Because I know sometimes see in radio they let you

2082
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 3: come in at night too, because they want to surprise

2083
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 3: everybody and be like, hey, and mony love is.

2084
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:33,680
Speaker 7: Now to the radio station.

2085
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:36,600
Speaker 5: Yet they didn't announce us as announces yet, but they

2086
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 5: were training us. And let me tell you something, me

2087
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 5: and miss Jones would be messing up badly at night time.

2088
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 5: They'd they'd be dead there for like forty five minutes

2089
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 5: and then then and then the mics will be up

2090
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:51,880
Speaker 5: and we're talking about I hate that guy. I went

2091
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:53,400
Speaker 5: out with him and he was such a piece of

2092
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 5: ship and did and then she get a phone call like, uh,

2093
02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:02,400
Speaker 5: you guys have the microphone on. No, like we was

2094
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 5: doing the dumb ship at night time. It was like,

2095
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:09,640
Speaker 5: you know, three four o'clock in the morning, and Limus

2096
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:12,280
Speaker 5: Jones was just fucking up badly.

2097
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:19,760
Speaker 1: Well, I consider this to be a lucky opportunity because

2098
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on a platform on iHeart, but I

2099
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:28,080
Speaker 1: kind of have some say in who I get to interview,

2100
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 1: and I tend to gravitate to my tribe and who

2101
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: I like and who I know. I've given a bunch

2102
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:35,960
Speaker 1: of news to people.

2103
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 5: Thats going no, no, no, I didn't even get there yet.

2104
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:51,200
Speaker 1: But in doing to restre l, I don't know, just

2105
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:59,160
Speaker 1: four syllables is killing me right now. And doing terrestrial

2106
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 1: extra terrestrial radio. In terrestrial radio, yeah, you don't necessarily

2107
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,880
Speaker 1: have a say in not even who you play, but

2108
02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:15,720
Speaker 1: who you interview and all those things. So how do

2109
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 1: you handle when you're you know, if you're five six

2110
02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 1: years in and you're interviewing your artists that you are

2111
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 1: indifferent on or you don't know even now, Like if

2112
02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:32,280
Speaker 1: NBA nothing against NBA, young boy, I'm just picking the

2113
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:37,160
Speaker 1: one one gen z name that everyone knows. Like how

2114
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 1: much research do you have or do your producers already

2115
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:44,280
Speaker 1: write the questions out or no? If you just go

2116
02:03:44,360 --> 02:03:45,840
Speaker 1: off the lead sheet what they tell.

2117
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 5: You, No, you you You got to read up on it.

2118
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:50,200
Speaker 5: If it's something you if it's a person that you

2119
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 5: don't particularly care for, but you know, an interview is

2120
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:57,320
Speaker 5: demanded of that person because of whatever is going on. Uh,

2121
02:03:57,560 --> 02:03:59,960
Speaker 5: they got something new coming out, they have a project whatever,

2122
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 5: buth blah blah blah, whatever it is, that makes sense,

2123
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 5: you have to read up on him and do a

2124
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 5: little history so that you can prepare your questions. Doesn't

2125
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,040
Speaker 5: matter if you like him or not. You got to

2126
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:09,320
Speaker 5: put your personal shit behind you. Which is why I

2127
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 5: couldn't understand that Penis Morgan guy.

2128
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:18,280
Speaker 3: That was Yeah, well that's called white privilege. But that's

2129
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:19,320
Speaker 3: another conversation.

2130
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Well it's also male tox sixty. I didn't realize that

2131
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:26,760
Speaker 1: he I didn't even realize that he had a relationship

2132
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:27,720
Speaker 1: with Megan Markle.

2133
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:35,440
Speaker 5: He tried sociopathic lower scale. But sociopathic narcissist is what

2134
02:04:35,480 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 5: that person is.

2135
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:46,480
Speaker 1: Penis my Penis Myers. Yes, yes, Penis Morgan, there is

2136
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 1: you know what you.

2137
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:49,640
Speaker 5: Know what I said something. I was having a conversation

2138
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 5: with my oldest daughter about it, right, and I said

2139
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:53,920
Speaker 5: to her, I was like, if I had to give

2140
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 5: you a quick analogy of what that whole situation was

2141
02:04:56,520 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 5: between the Penis Morgan guy and Magel Megan Marco, it

2142
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 5: would be this. Remember back in the days when a

2143
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:06,000
Speaker 5: girl were brought past a bunch of guys. He'd be like, baby,

2144
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 5: what's up, what's up? And you don't answer, and then

2145
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:12,600
Speaker 5: the guy goes, fuck you there, bitch. That's that.

2146
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:17,600
Speaker 1: That's what there was. Yes, got you got curved.

2147
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:21,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, because she didn't show up today. She met Harry

2148
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 7: that night.

2149
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:33,280
Speaker 3: And story that's that whom Harry appears.

2150
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it. Oh you know the thing is,

2151
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't know this story.

2152
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 5: It's perfect if she's sitting here because she is the

2153
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 5: reason why the ship went viral.

2154
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 7: Well yeah, because well yes, because.

2155
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:56,000
Speaker 3: As Moni said, we were on we were on the

2156
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 3: morning show together and it was funny because we knew

2157
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:02,240
Speaker 3: was coming. But everybody was really kind of more scared

2158
02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:04,040
Speaker 3: of what I was going to say to him, and

2159
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 3: I thought that was the fascinating part.

2160
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:08,520
Speaker 7: Everybody was preparing me, like, you know, don't say this

2161
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:09,880
Speaker 7: because at the time I.

2162
02:06:09,960 --> 02:06:15,120
Speaker 1: Was let me just add that if y'all think, like

2163
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:20,120
Speaker 1: we're on at least what episode one, one six right now,

2164
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 1: If y'all think is unhindl on this show, well not yet.

2165
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 1: But he's the only person I know that would routine

2166
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 1: Jailey like talk ship about jay Z.

2167
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:33,120
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing.

2168
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, Money Money was there that day too where I

2169
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:40,960
Speaker 3: got warned about us, and the problem was in the mirror.

2170
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:41,160
Speaker 7: You know.

2171
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:42,800
Speaker 3: The real problem was is that I was like a

2172
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:47,520
Speaker 3: whole roots warrior chick, right, So I was just like, and.

2173
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:50,400
Speaker 1: I was on, you're about to stop the bag like that.

2174
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,960
Speaker 7: Z was like, it's true, but it's true that person

2175
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 7: to say that.

2176
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, But at the time that was when

2177
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:59,320
Speaker 3: the Roots was on Deaf Jam and as we know

2178
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 3: all Pitt Pop fans, no, he didn't really do much

2179
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:04,480
Speaker 3: for the Roots brand, and I was like, what the fuck?

2180
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:07,200
Speaker 3: So yes, I asked him those questions. But anyway, and anyway,

2181
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 3: so back to Gez though, Yeah, so I was the

2182
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 3: one that was the girl that would you know, crush

2183
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 3: fifty cent CDs Live on the air and stuff like that,

2184
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:18,640
Speaker 3: because I was just like, what is this ship is

2185
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:19,560
Speaker 3: killing the black community?

2186
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 7: Da da da da dae.

2187
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 3: Monie would even pull me to the side and say, like,

2188
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:24,160
Speaker 3: you know, be calm when he comes, just let him talk.

2189
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 7: Blah blah blah blah.

2190
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 3: Okay, money cool cool mony. So but then he comes

2191
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:31,440
Speaker 3: and I'm cool. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.

2192
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:36,040
Speaker 3: And this is this is the period when NAS had

2193
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:37,080
Speaker 3: the what hip Hop Is Dead?

2194
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 1: Album?

2195
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, And now, Monie, this is where you

2196
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 3: pick up the conversation.

2197
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 5: Now keep going, I will, I'll chime in.

2198
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:52,120
Speaker 7: Okay.

2199
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,400
Speaker 3: So we're talking about hip hop and I cannot remember

2200
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:57,120
Speaker 3: how Pooch picked how he started the conversation about hip

2201
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:00,280
Speaker 3: hop being dead, but money it was like she got

2202
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:03,120
Speaker 3: the holy hip hop spirit and she was like, yeah,

2203
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:04,400
Speaker 3: hip hop is dead.

2204
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:06,320
Speaker 7: Now. Jeez didn't like that.

2205
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:08,160
Speaker 5: No, okay, now I need to stop.

2206
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:11,400
Speaker 3: He okay, O correct me.

2207
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:14,200
Speaker 5: So, yes, Poosh brought something up about you know, how

2208
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:16,640
Speaker 5: do you feel? He asked Gezi the question, how do

2209
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:19,800
Speaker 5: you feel about NAS's new album and his saying that

2210
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:22,640
Speaker 5: hip hop is dead, and so JIZI basically said, well,

2211
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:26,160
Speaker 5: I feel like, how can you really say that? Like,

2212
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:28,520
Speaker 5: I don't really think that that's accurate to say that,

2213
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 5: because that's how that's how I make my living, that's

2214
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 5: how a lot of us are making our living. We

2215
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:37,560
Speaker 5: got stuff to say still, and so then I then

2216
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 5: jumped in on us and he was He was like,

2217
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:41,960
Speaker 5: who is he to say that? And I was like, well,

2218
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:45,760
Speaker 5: I think that what Nas is trying to say in

2219
02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:50,800
Speaker 5: that analogy is that once upon a time there was

2220
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:54,520
Speaker 5: there there were several aspects of hip hop that were

2221
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:58,360
Speaker 5: all getting light. All of them were getting light. It

2222
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 5: wasn't just it was the aks this stuff. It's the

2223
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 5: political stuff, it's the happy we just hit a party

2224
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:05,960
Speaker 5: type stuff.

2225
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 7: And definitely the stuff getting played on the radio right and.

2226
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 5: Then the more commercial stuff. It was it was all

2227
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 5: of those aspects of hip hop that we're all getting

2228
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,000
Speaker 5: equal light. And I think what Nas was trying to

2229
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 5: say at this time, and this is me talking to Jesz,

2230
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:20,200
Speaker 5: so I think what Nas is trying to say at

2231
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:22,760
Speaker 5: this time is that right now it's all one sided.

2232
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 5: It's all about the street life and and and and

2233
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:30,000
Speaker 5: the bitches and the and the money and the cars

2234
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:32,400
Speaker 5: and the this and the that, and that's not everything.

2235
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:39,280
Speaker 5: So the the the aspect of hip hop's multifaceted self

2236
02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 5: is dead right now. I think that's what nas is

2237
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 5: trying to say in that analogy.

2238
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:48,280
Speaker 3: Yes, and at this time Gzi was not ready for

2239
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:52,880
Speaker 3: that intellectual breakdown. And at this moment, I'm not sure,

2240
02:09:53,960 --> 02:09:55,520
Speaker 3: I think me and if we were not sure due

2241
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:57,520
Speaker 3: to his response to money and money you break down

2242
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 3: the response because again okay, so.

2243
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,080
Speaker 5: Then after that, so that after that, he was like

2244
02:10:01,560 --> 02:10:05,600
Speaker 5: he he kind of got animated in his speech pattern

2245
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:08,000
Speaker 5: and was like, well, you know, you got a whole

2246
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:10,920
Speaker 5: different type of appreciation of hip hop, ain't you from England?

2247
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 7: And so then I was like, so this is when.

2248
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:16,839
Speaker 3: Me and pooshe realize he don't know who he talking

2249
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:17,760
Speaker 3: to right now?

2250
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,680
Speaker 5: Yes, well that's what that's what he thinks, because she

2251
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:26,040
Speaker 5: said that said it.

2252
02:10:26,080 --> 02:10:27,720
Speaker 7: I was I said it on the mic. I was like,

2253
02:10:28,240 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 7: who you know who you're talking to right now? Right?

2254
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:33,200
Speaker 7: I swear to god. He didn't say money love.

2255
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:38,600
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, you were that money love.

2256
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:41,200
Speaker 5: He was like, you got a whole different appreciation to

2257
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,000
Speaker 5: you know what. You know, we grew, we came up

2258
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:46,000
Speaker 5: listening to something else, And in my head, I'm saying

2259
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 5: to myself, dude, you're not that much younger than me,

2260
02:10:49,480 --> 02:10:52,760
Speaker 5: Like that's that's not gonna fly. You're not that much

2261
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 5: younger to me. It's not that big of a difference.

2262
02:10:55,320 --> 02:10:57,959
Speaker 5: And yes, I came up in in uh in England,

2263
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:01,000
Speaker 5: but it's the same hip hop. So basically we should

2264
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:05,240
Speaker 5: we should be pulling from the same waters, the same streams,

2265
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:05,960
Speaker 5: let me.

2266
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:09,760
Speaker 1: Interrupt, to his credit, not to his credit, but hip

2267
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:13,360
Speaker 1: hop generations. It's like, if you're before the five or

2268
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 1: after the five is night and day. So me being

2269
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 1: born in seventy one, like anyone born after seventy five

2270
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:22,680
Speaker 1: is almost like you might they might as well be

2271
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:23,600
Speaker 1: twenty years younger.

2272
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 5: You know why that doesn't make sense to me. I'm

2273
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 5: gonna tell you why.

2274
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:31,080
Speaker 1: Exceptione, Wait, were you born I want seventy eight? Yeah,

2275
02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:36,560
Speaker 1: like Fante has like a savants knowledge of music, but

2276
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:39,120
Speaker 1: anyone else I know, in seventy eight, I might as

2277
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:41,080
Speaker 1: well be talking to someone born now eighty six.

2278
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:42,840
Speaker 5: As I sit here and I listen to you as

2279
02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:44,280
Speaker 5: I sit here and I listen to you say that,

2280
02:11:44,360 --> 02:11:48,080
Speaker 5: I'm going to say this. I now have an appreciation

2281
02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:53,080
Speaker 5: for that factor. And so now right now I'll say,

2282
02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 5: you know what, he really could have been on some

2283
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,800
Speaker 5: different for real, genuinely on a different lanes and pulled

2284
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 5: from a different string. But back then I was looking

2285
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:07,000
Speaker 5: at it like, dude, you're not getting a young card.

2286
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:09,400
Speaker 5: You're not that much younger than me. We should have

2287
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:12,160
Speaker 5: been pulling from the same streams. Why are you not

2288
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:17,240
Speaker 5: understanding this? Why are you not understanding NAS's analogy? Why

2289
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 5: are you not understanding it? That's where my head was

2290
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:22,880
Speaker 5: at that moment. And then it was it was, it

2291
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:28,240
Speaker 5: was worsened. It was worsened because I am I don't

2292
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:34,200
Speaker 5: do well with over talking men, right, I don't do well?

2293
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:35,400
Speaker 1: How are you on this show?

2294
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:38,840
Speaker 7: She's just against.

2295
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 1: Each other?

2296
02:12:45,120 --> 02:12:47,400
Speaker 3: When his ass stood up though, because that's the part

2297
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:49,360
Speaker 3: I was trying to remember, That's the part when I

2298
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:49,920
Speaker 3: was like, wait.

2299
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 7: What what's going on? Why are you standing.

2300
02:12:52,800 --> 02:12:53,200
Speaker 1: Physical?

2301
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:55,320
Speaker 7: No, he was about to know he's about to roll.

2302
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:58,520
Speaker 5: He was, he was. He was like, well, who is

2303
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:08,440
Speaker 5: NAS to say this anyway? And at that point, okay, okay, okay,

2304
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:12,760
Speaker 5: so okay, so y'all remember Kim Wayne's and her missus Jenkins.

2305
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:18,720
Speaker 1: Uh, you ain't heard it from me? Oh, don't you

2306
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:20,760
Speaker 1: talk about miss Yeah?

2307
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:28,480
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, start crying, okay, okay, don't talk about don't

2308
02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:30,600
Speaker 5: don't talk don't don't talk about nas. Don't do that.

2309
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:36,520
Speaker 5: Don't do that. Don't do that. That's a bad idea.

2310
02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 5: And so he stood up and was like, who is

2311
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:42,280
Speaker 5: nas to say this? And I was like, oh, oh,

2312
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:45,120
Speaker 5: and now you will tell you when I hit that

2313
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:48,320
Speaker 5: note of the oh, it's a problem when I when

2314
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:49,880
Speaker 5: you hear me say, oh.

2315
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:52,680
Speaker 7: I thought it was it was a Nazis hip hop?

2316
02:13:52,720 --> 02:13:53,880
Speaker 7: Was it a Nazis hip hop?

2317
02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:56,360
Speaker 1: He was likens?

2318
02:13:57,320 --> 02:14:01,120
Speaker 5: And then I was wait when he was like when

2319
02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:03,520
Speaker 5: he said, who is not to say that? And I

2320
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:06,320
Speaker 5: was like, somebody that's been here for a very long time.

2321
02:14:06,680 --> 02:14:16,520
Speaker 5: And when he says that, I was not gun got

2322
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:20,320
Speaker 5: niggas in the Feds. And I was like, and at

2323
02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 5: that point, if you watch the video, you will hear

2324
02:14:23,080 --> 02:14:27,160
Speaker 5: me mumbling on the mic in a low mono tone voice,

2325
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:31,240
Speaker 5: it's dead. You just killed hip hop right now. It's dead,

2326
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:33,560
Speaker 5: right now, it's dead, right, it's dead right now? With

2327
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:36,160
Speaker 5: everything you're saying right now is dead. You just killed it.

2328
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:38,200
Speaker 5: You just stabbed it, you just shot it, you just

2329
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:43,600
Speaker 5: killed it. You hear me, You hear me saying that

2330
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:47,200
Speaker 5: at that point underneath. Now, in hindsight, I look back

2331
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:49,600
Speaker 5: at it, and I'm like, what I was trying to

2332
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 5: relay to Giz in that interview is was simply that

2333
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:57,240
Speaker 5: the analogy that NAS was making wasn't wasn't to be

2334
02:14:57,320 --> 02:15:01,960
Speaker 5: disrespectful towards him and his second term that the hip

2335
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:05,920
Speaker 5: hop Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't anything to disrespect that

2336
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:08,640
Speaker 5: it was. It was something that was It was an analogy

2337
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:10,920
Speaker 5: that was made to bring light to the fact that

2338
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:15,680
Speaker 5: all the facets of hip hop music were not being

2339
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:18,880
Speaker 5: given and shown the same light and the same level

2340
02:15:19,000 --> 02:15:22,440
Speaker 5: of respect at that moment in time. That's all NAS

2341
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:26,960
Speaker 5: was saying with that analogy at that time. But Jeeze

2342
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:31,600
Speaker 5: took offense, you know, And in hindsight I understand he

2343
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 5: took offense. He took it personally like it was a

2344
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:39,680
Speaker 5: dig at him, right, So I get that part. Also,

2345
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:43,280
Speaker 5: perhaps the way that I was speaking in because I

2346
02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:45,280
Speaker 5: was calling him brother and I was trying to be

2347
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:48,040
Speaker 5: polite and respectful while I was speaking to him, he

2348
02:15:48,080 --> 02:15:49,920
Speaker 5: wasn't trying to hear He wasn't trying to hear that.

2349
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:55,360
Speaker 5: I think that's probably just Ego and Bravado being young.

2350
02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:58,600
Speaker 5: And I was also trying to trying to have a

2351
02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:02,720
Speaker 5: teachable moment with him as far as to say, protect

2352
02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:08,160
Speaker 5: all the facets of hip hop today. Otherwise in ten

2353
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:11,960
Speaker 5: fifteen years time, when the new kids on the block

2354
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:15,920
Speaker 5: come up and you're not this geezy that you are now,

2355
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:18,880
Speaker 5: which is the it guy, When when it's ten to

2356
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:23,880
Speaker 5: fifteen years later, them new guys can push your ship

2357
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:26,720
Speaker 5: to the to the to the garbage in the garbage can.

2358
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,480
Speaker 5: So when I'm trying to have a moment with you

2359
02:16:28,680 --> 02:16:32,640
Speaker 5: now to understand how important it is to preserve all

2360
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:35,240
Speaker 5: the elements and all the facets of it so that

2361
02:16:35,440 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 5: you can have a place to survive ten fifteen years later,

2362
02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And it just it just

2363
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:46,360
Speaker 5: it just wasn't coming. It wasn't good, It wasn't coming

2364
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 5: across Jesus, you know.

2365
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:56,600
Speaker 1: Don't forget back then. He if you remember when, like

2366
02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:00,160
Speaker 1: I think a month before he was I mean, was

2367
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:03,199
Speaker 1: clearly a fifty cent troll move. But he was talking

2368
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:07,119
Speaker 1: about like, you know, I'm gonna meet with John McCain

2369
02:17:07,680 --> 02:17:10,959
Speaker 1: and see what he's about. This was like I remember that,

2370
02:17:10,959 --> 02:17:13,400
Speaker 1: all right. He was he was a musical guest on

2371
02:17:13,720 --> 02:17:16,879
Speaker 1: SNL I think in September October two thousand and eight.

2372
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:19,720
Speaker 1: It was kind of just putting out there, like, you know,

2373
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:21,840
Speaker 1: just because Obama's played on me, I'm gon vote for him,

2374
02:17:21,920 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna see what John McCain has. You know,

2375
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:26,280
Speaker 1: he had his arm around John mccainna SNL and it

2376
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:27,760
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna go to lunch with him, see

2377
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:28,279
Speaker 1: what he's.

2378
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,400
Speaker 3: About and selling snowman shirts to little black kids, and

2379
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:32,520
Speaker 3: I don't do that.

2380
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:35,720
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, that's when I had a problem. I mean,

2381
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:39,800
Speaker 1: he's cool now, you know, but.

2382
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:44,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, in essence, Laiah filmed the whole thing.

2383
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:47,680
Speaker 5: Did not know she was filming it, Okay, Laiah ran

2384
02:17:47,720 --> 02:17:49,880
Speaker 5: out of the room as soon as that goddamn interview

2385
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:52,520
Speaker 5: was over, and she loaded that ship to every possible

2386
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:55,560
Speaker 5: blog in the world at that time, and that shit

2387
02:17:55,680 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 5: went viral like a move so quickly, and was wait,

2388
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:04,240
Speaker 5: here's the here's the crazy, craziest part. Nobody knows. I

2389
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 5: don't even know if you knew this, Layah. Nobody knows

2390
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:11,600
Speaker 5: that I had been undergoing a renegotiation with the radio

2391
02:18:11,720 --> 02:18:15,959
Speaker 5: station six months prior to that day. And that day

2392
02:18:16,640 --> 02:18:19,440
Speaker 5: was d day when I had to make a decision

2393
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:22,840
Speaker 5: on whether I was going to accept the contract that

2394
02:18:22,879 --> 02:18:24,480
Speaker 5: they gave me. And what it was was there was

2395
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:27,800
Speaker 5: a little piece of wording in that contract that I

2396
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:30,200
Speaker 5: did not agree with which said that in order for

2397
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 5: me to do anything using my face, my name, how

2398
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:39,760
Speaker 5: did you guys say, caricature, ricature, cricature, Okay, using my

2399
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:41,160
Speaker 5: face name, my curricature.

2400
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:43,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's radio.

2401
02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:44,600
Speaker 1: That's radio.

2402
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:48,160
Speaker 3: Shit, that's radio. It wasn't used to celebrities. So they

2403
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:48,959
Speaker 3: just regularly.

2404
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,680
Speaker 5: Basically anything to do with my voice, anything to do

2405
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:54,400
Speaker 5: with myself. If I wanted to write a book, if

2406
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:56,440
Speaker 5: I wanted to be in a movie, anything, I would

2407
02:18:56,440 --> 02:18:59,879
Speaker 5: have to go to the radio station for permission. And

2408
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:03,240
Speaker 5: that was the only problem with the contract that I had.

2409
02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:05,920
Speaker 5: The money was great, we were at a good place

2410
02:19:06,360 --> 02:19:10,039
Speaker 5: or with everything except for that. And my lawyers were like,

2411
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:14,360
Speaker 5: could we just change this wording to something that is

2412
02:19:14,400 --> 02:19:17,840
Speaker 5: of a nature saying whatever that it is that I

2413
02:19:17,879 --> 02:19:20,119
Speaker 5: have in the works of projects, A book, or whatever

2414
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:23,240
Speaker 5: it is, the station will be. It will be made

2415
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 5: sure that the station knows about this and therefore that

2416
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:29,600
Speaker 5: it's mutually agreed upon as far as it's nothing to

2417
02:19:29,720 --> 02:19:33,440
Speaker 5: hinder the names. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like

2418
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:36,000
Speaker 5: I'm not posing for Playboy. You know what I'm saying,

2419
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:39,520
Speaker 5: much to the dismay of many, But I'm not close.

2420
02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:44,840
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. But the bottom line is

2421
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:46,520
Speaker 5: my lawyer was like, can we put some word in

2422
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:49,039
Speaker 5: like that in it? They were like no. So this

2423
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,680
Speaker 5: day that when just this cheesy interview happened, was the

2424
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 5: last day. As soon as I go, as soon as

2425
02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:55,600
Speaker 5: we signed off, I had to go into the office,

2426
02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:59,080
Speaker 5: sit down with them, ask them, are you prepared to

2427
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:02,200
Speaker 5: change the wor just on that little part. They said no,

2428
02:20:02,680 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 5: we're not. And then I said, well I cannot sign

2429
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:10,000
Speaker 5: this document. I left that. I left that, I left that,

2430
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:13,720
Speaker 5: I left that office. I left that office that day

2431
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:17,320
Speaker 5: at eleven thirty. By one o'clock in the afternoon, my

2432
02:20:17,400 --> 02:20:21,600
Speaker 5: voice was completely stripped from the radio station. They cleaned

2433
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:26,879
Speaker 5: up real quick. And so that that turned into Jeezi

2434
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:31,800
Speaker 5: got me fired? Yes that is yeah, that turned into

2435
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:34,039
Speaker 5: that Geez got me fired, and I never corrected it.

2436
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:37,720
Speaker 5: I let it be. I never corrected it.

2437
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:39,320
Speaker 1: Have you seen him since?

2438
02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 5: I have not seen him since. But what's really interesting

2439
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:46,440
Speaker 5: is he worked on a song and he worked with

2440
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:51,959
Speaker 5: a producer called Ko. Ko is my child's, my son's godfather,

2441
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:56,800
Speaker 5: and my daughter was in Atlanta at the time. Yeah,

2442
02:20:56,879 --> 02:21:00,840
Speaker 5: uh huh, and my daughter sang on a song the Greatest,

2443
02:21:00,959 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 5: which was on one of Jez's mixtapes. Wow my child, Yes, yeah.

2444
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so crazy.

2445
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,920
Speaker 5: But what's fun? But what's crazy? She said. She met

2446
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 5: him at what is Diddies at the Revolt convention in

2447
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:24,080
Speaker 5: two thousand and sixteen, I think it is, and she

2448
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:27,240
Speaker 5: said that she said to him, you know, I sang

2449
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:30,119
Speaker 5: on that song blah blah blah blah blah, and it

2450
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:34,800
Speaker 5: was she sang on it. And he asked, the story

2451
02:21:34,879 --> 02:21:37,520
Speaker 5: is he acts Kao? You know? Kao told him who

2452
02:21:37,560 --> 02:21:39,560
Speaker 5: it wasnt sang on it whatever, And he asked Ko

2453
02:21:39,800 --> 02:21:43,160
Speaker 5: to put somebody else on it, like a known person

2454
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:46,560
Speaker 5: or whatever, take my daughter off of it, and Kao said, no,

2455
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:49,800
Speaker 5: the song comes with her. So if you're going to

2456
02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:53,200
Speaker 5: use this, the song comes with her. And so he

2457
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:55,000
Speaker 5: kept it on his mixtape, but he never put it

2458
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:57,880
Speaker 5: on his album. My daughter was a little bit, you know,

2459
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:00,280
Speaker 5: she was a little crushed, crushed about that, and I

2460
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:02,760
Speaker 5: felt bad about it too, because I'm like, damn, it's

2461
02:22:02,800 --> 02:22:07,480
Speaker 5: because of me, and you know, but at the end

2462
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:09,920
Speaker 5: of the day, it is what it is. You know,

2463
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:13,680
Speaker 5: you live, Charlena. I'm not going back on anything because

2464
02:22:13,879 --> 02:22:16,640
Speaker 5: they threw me under the bus after I interview the way,

2465
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:20,039
Speaker 5: how the way, how it went was it turned into

2466
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:22,760
Speaker 5: the woman was the idiot? Oh, the woman. She was

2467
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:25,959
Speaker 5: off as soon as I walked in, you know, he

2468
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:29,800
Speaker 5: called Nas up, had a conversation with Nas. Nas called

2469
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,760
Speaker 5: me and was like, don't worry about it, don't worry

2470
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:34,320
Speaker 5: about it. Just don't worry about it.

2471
02:22:35,080 --> 02:22:35,360
Speaker 1: All right.

2472
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:37,160
Speaker 5: I'm not going to tell you what the conversation was

2473
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:39,200
Speaker 5: between me and Jeezi, but yeah, he did to reach

2474
02:22:39,240 --> 02:22:41,320
Speaker 5: out to me, And in my head, I'm saying to myself,

2475
02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:43,320
Speaker 5: you're damn right he reached out to you because that

2476
02:22:43,480 --> 02:22:47,840
Speaker 5: sounded ill. All of that do He got people in

2477
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:51,400
Speaker 5: the fad dude that like, dude, it sounded it sounded ill,

2478
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:54,320
Speaker 5: So you're damn right. He made sure that the man

2479
02:22:54,400 --> 02:22:56,560
Speaker 5: made sure that he called the other man to have

2480
02:22:56,600 --> 02:23:00,720
Speaker 5: a conversation, right, and then throw the woman under the bus. Oh,

2481
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:03,720
Speaker 5: she was off as soon as I walked in. Anyway,

2482
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:06,560
Speaker 5: something she, something was about her was off in the

2483
02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:10,560
Speaker 5: fat him saying this is yeah, which was.

2484
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:12,080
Speaker 7: Not ye, which was the opposite.

2485
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:15,200
Speaker 5: That's funny, you know, I don't you know, I don't know.

2486
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:17,680
Speaker 5: I don't know what type of females at that time

2487
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:21,360
Speaker 5: he was used to having conversations with, and and I

2488
02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:24,959
Speaker 5: don't know if perhaps I don't know if perhaps my

2489
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:28,640
Speaker 5: conversation may have been a little too quote unquote uppity

2490
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:32,760
Speaker 5: in his eyes at that time, you know. But but

2491
02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:35,480
Speaker 5: the bottom line is the gz that I see today

2492
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:43,360
Speaker 5: is exactly who I thought I was talking to. It

2493
02:23:43,400 --> 02:23:45,840
Speaker 5: was exactly who I was trying to reach. I knew

2494
02:23:45,959 --> 02:23:48,840
Speaker 5: what you was talking to him. I knew I wasn't

2495
02:23:48,840 --> 02:23:51,200
Speaker 5: talking to him back then, but I knew that that

2496
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:55,320
Speaker 5: person was going yeah, yeah, and I was trying to

2497
02:23:55,400 --> 02:23:59,000
Speaker 5: talk to that person. Yeah. So that that's basically what

2498
02:23:59,120 --> 02:24:01,720
Speaker 5: that was. I've never seen him since then. Is that crazy?

2499
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:07,160
Speaker 5: I've never bumped into him, I've never know a Yeah,

2500
02:24:07,400 --> 02:24:10,640
Speaker 5: I've never seen him since then. How long ago was that? Was? That?

2501
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:12,520
Speaker 5: Eighteen years ago.

2502
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:14,520
Speaker 7: Oh shit, don't do that. Don't do that.

2503
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:17,200
Speaker 1: That was like, all right, when was it?

2504
02:24:17,320 --> 02:24:17,480
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2505
02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:18,400
Speaker 1: That was yeah? Eight?

2506
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:22,560
Speaker 5: If I was there, it was okay, all right, thirteen No, no,

2507
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:25,000
Speaker 5: it wasn't no, no, no no. I left that station

2508
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:27,760
Speaker 5: in February of two thousand and seven. That was two

2509
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:31,160
Speaker 5: thousand and seven. Wow, ok, yeah, that was two thousand

2510
02:24:31,160 --> 02:24:31,480
Speaker 5: and seven.

2511
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:37,840
Speaker 1: My final question is, now that you're at the state

2512
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:40,960
Speaker 1: in in your life and all that you've achieved in anything,

2513
02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:43,240
Speaker 1: is there anything that you've yet to do? Do you

2514
02:24:43,320 --> 02:24:48,320
Speaker 1: get these? Do you do you get? Is there an

2515
02:24:48,320 --> 02:24:51,800
Speaker 1: itch that you I want to scratch as far as like.

2516
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:57,600
Speaker 5: Aside from the one sorry second to last question.

2517
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:05,800
Speaker 1: Ultra, Wow you went there, yeah, Ultra real quick. So Ultna,

2518
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:06,680
Speaker 1: what was it like.

2519
02:25:06,920 --> 02:25:13,039
Speaker 5: Working She's this tiny little powerhouse person. Oh my gosh,

2520
02:25:14,120 --> 02:25:18,160
Speaker 5: Ultnata opens her mouth and it's like she has a superpower.

2521
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:22,080
Speaker 5: It's like she opens her mouth and everything turns into

2522
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:27,360
Speaker 5: a tornado as soon as she opens her mouth. And

2523
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:32,240
Speaker 5: she's so tiny, she's a small little package of just

2524
02:25:32,760 --> 02:25:34,840
Speaker 5: terror as soon as she opens her mouth.

2525
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 7: Oh, I do have a question.

2526
02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:38,480
Speaker 6: She's singing on I was just saying to declared, but

2527
02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:40,520
Speaker 6: She's the one to singing on Ring my Bell.

2528
02:25:40,520 --> 02:25:45,280
Speaker 5: Absolutely and that is ulternate and it was fun working well.

2529
02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:48,560
Speaker 6: She's a big house singer, like she's legendary singer.

2530
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:52,879
Speaker 5: Huge, huge, legendary. I was so grateful to be able

2531
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:55,120
Speaker 5: to work with her. And again this comes from the

2532
02:25:55,160 --> 02:25:58,879
Speaker 5: mindset of not getting in my own way as far

2533
02:25:58,959 --> 02:26:01,200
Speaker 5: as creative, you know what I mean.

2534
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:03,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, let me just ask because I know you guts

2535
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:05,320
Speaker 7: your last question. I just thought of something too.

2536
02:26:05,720 --> 02:26:08,120
Speaker 3: Can you mo as a as a legend in this

2537
02:26:08,240 --> 02:26:11,000
Speaker 3: game and as a as a commentator as well? Can

2538
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:13,440
Speaker 3: you talk about like who some of the young folks,

2539
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:15,440
Speaker 3: because I know you tuned into the young folks as well,

2540
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:18,080
Speaker 3: but like who you're listening to and the younger sisters

2541
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:20,440
Speaker 3: as well when it comes to MC's because I don't

2542
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:22,120
Speaker 3: want to just ask you about female mcs, but I

2543
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:22,800
Speaker 3: was just curious.

2544
02:26:24,280 --> 02:26:27,720
Speaker 5: Honestly, try I'm trying to listen to a lot more.

2545
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:32,359
Speaker 5: I tune a lot of it out. My kids are annoying,

2546
02:26:32,920 --> 02:26:38,560
Speaker 5: but for the sake of trying not to alienate them,

2547
02:26:39,160 --> 02:26:43,400
Speaker 5: I do make a conscious effort to give them car

2548
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:46,600
Speaker 5: time when we're in the car and car DJ time

2549
02:26:46,920 --> 02:26:48,440
Speaker 5: so they could play stuff. But the only thing that

2550
02:26:48,480 --> 02:26:50,000
Speaker 5: I can't get past, and it's like I try not

2551
02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:54,160
Speaker 5: to be this hypocrite, is there was a period of

2552
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:56,560
Speaker 5: time where we were cursing in our music and there

2553
02:26:56,560 --> 02:26:59,039
Speaker 5: were curses and they'd be curses, but for some.

2554
02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:02,920
Speaker 1: Reason, not like this, what is this?

2555
02:27:03,200 --> 02:27:06,119
Speaker 5: What is it? I don't It's like every other freaking

2556
02:27:06,200 --> 02:27:09,599
Speaker 5: word and I didn't. I do experments. I do experiments

2557
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:09,920
Speaker 5: in the.

2558
02:27:09,879 --> 02:27:11,119
Speaker 1: Car all the twee.

2559
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:14,520
Speaker 5: Where I'm like, Okay, go ahead, play your stuff. Lacy's twelve,

2560
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:16,920
Speaker 5: that's my youngest, and shit, I'll I'll be like, all right,

2561
02:27:16,959 --> 02:27:20,480
Speaker 5: play your stuff. And it's like, oh, put to give

2562
02:27:20,520 --> 02:27:24,480
Speaker 5: me a head and the bitch and I'm like god, God,

2563
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:29,039
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I'm not a prude. We've said curses.

2564
02:27:29,440 --> 02:27:31,640
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, day get a half all day.

2565
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:35,360
Speaker 5: That's that's our era, you know what I'm saying. Like

2566
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:38,920
Speaker 5: we have stuff, but it just it's just like it's

2567
02:27:38,959 --> 02:27:39,959
Speaker 5: like I don't get a break.

2568
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:40,760
Speaker 1: You're an adult.

2569
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:42,320
Speaker 5: It's like I don't get a break.

2570
02:27:42,840 --> 02:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Well, wait, since you're talking about your kids, which one

2571
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:50,320
Speaker 1: of your kids has sort of inherited your your taste

2572
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:52,360
Speaker 1: because a lot of I'm always curious on how hip

2573
02:27:52,400 --> 02:27:56,240
Speaker 1: hop parents raise their kids, Like do their kids know

2574
02:27:57,160 --> 02:28:01,840
Speaker 1: who they are are the exact opposite, you know, like

2575
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:05,039
Speaker 1: which one has your taste? Like you can stop down

2576
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:13,840
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, this one, you know news the old.

2577
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:14,200
Speaker 5: The oldest one, and it's by d four because she

2578
02:28:14,360 --> 02:28:19,000
Speaker 5: was everything I really didn't. She just was around. It

2579
02:28:19,080 --> 02:28:21,000
Speaker 5: was it was just a natural thing with her, the

2580
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:23,520
Speaker 5: oldest one, and she's thirty now. The rest of them,

2581
02:28:23,680 --> 02:28:25,879
Speaker 5: they're just there. They're into what they're into. And I

2582
02:28:25,959 --> 02:28:28,640
Speaker 5: try to listen. I do, and I do it often

2583
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:31,240
Speaker 5: because I don't went there to be too much separation

2584
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:34,280
Speaker 5: between us. I understand and appreciate that the times have

2585
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:37,119
Speaker 5: changed and that what they listen to is vastly different

2586
02:28:37,440 --> 02:28:39,120
Speaker 5: from what I did. I mean, I used to be

2587
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,160
Speaker 5: in the car with the two oldest girls, and I

2588
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:44,600
Speaker 5: used to put on a freeway even though what we

2589
02:28:44,680 --> 02:28:46,800
Speaker 5: do was wrong. And my daughter that's now going to

2590
02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:49,080
Speaker 5: be twenty four, she'd be in the car seat in

2591
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:52,080
Speaker 5: the back, in the baby seat, and then my oldest

2592
02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:54,880
Speaker 5: would be in the shotgun with me and she and

2593
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:57,160
Speaker 5: I would go even though what we do is and

2594
02:28:57,200 --> 02:29:06,760
Speaker 5: then the baby would go wow, you know, we have that,

2595
02:29:07,440 --> 02:29:10,120
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. The two youngest, my son

2596
02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:14,160
Speaker 5: is eighteen and then my youngest daughter is twelve. They're

2597
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,320
Speaker 5: into their they're into their own thing. There are those

2598
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:19,800
Speaker 5: moments where they join in with with what I like

2599
02:29:19,879 --> 02:29:22,800
Speaker 5: to listen to, but they're far in few, like.

2600
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we like old school, we like Beyonce right right, Grandmas.

2601
02:29:29,360 --> 02:29:32,440
Speaker 5: No more than anything, they bond with me on some rock.

2602
02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:37,199
Speaker 5: Like my kids know food Fighters, they know Nirvana songs,

2603
02:29:37,320 --> 02:29:43,400
Speaker 5: they know Stone Temple pilots, they know yeah they're because

2604
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:46,039
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a rockhead too, so they know that stuff

2605
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,760
Speaker 5: more than they know a lot of the hip hop

2606
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:56,640
Speaker 5: that I grew up listening to. They're more absolutely absolutely,

2607
02:29:59,800 --> 02:30:07,280
Speaker 5: oh totally, but more totally, but more more. My twelve

2608
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:10,800
Speaker 5: year old knows Incubus like the back of her hands.

2609
02:30:10,840 --> 02:30:14,120
Speaker 5: And that's because I am. Yeah, I am a huge

2610
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:21,280
Speaker 5: Incubist fan and never missed a show. Yeah, Ben and I,

2611
02:30:21,320 --> 02:30:24,360
Speaker 5: Ben and I are tight. And it's partly because of you.

2612
02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:27,879
Speaker 5: It's partly because of you, because you and I are family.

2613
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:30,440
Speaker 5: So then when when when when I reached out to

2614
02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:32,360
Speaker 5: him one time, he was like, oh my god, you

2615
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:34,560
Speaker 5: have to come to the show and ever since then,

2616
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:37,640
Speaker 5: I've never missed a show. Ben and I are type.

2617
02:30:38,040 --> 02:30:41,959
Speaker 1: Damn this was up? This wait? I can't I have

2618
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:44,800
Speaker 1: one last question, but I have two because I got

2619
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:48,359
Speaker 1: to ask about how how did how did the alumni form?

2620
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:51,959
Speaker 7: I can't let you.

2621
02:30:50,680 --> 02:30:58,080
Speaker 1: Your supergroup Uh special ed Chup rock Uh.

2622
02:30:58,320 --> 02:31:00,360
Speaker 3: I have to say Dave Locus Dave Locus because he

2623
02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:01,640
Speaker 3: just texted me and said, make sure he gets his

2624
02:31:01,640 --> 02:31:02,039
Speaker 3: shout out.

2625
02:31:02,920 --> 02:31:06,000
Speaker 5: No he didn't.

2626
02:31:06,120 --> 02:31:15,840
Speaker 3: Wow, damn day, please answer.

2627
02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:21,760
Speaker 5: Well, Dave was already managing Kwame. I don't know how

2628
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:25,160
Speaker 5: they all got this idea together, but they did. I

2629
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:28,600
Speaker 5: was the last person to be called. Kwame text me

2630
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:30,520
Speaker 5: and said he needed to talk to me about something.

2631
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:33,520
Speaker 5: Called me, spoke to me about the concept. Would I

2632
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:38,560
Speaker 5: be interested? I'm right, yeah, I'd be interested, and it was.

2633
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:42,320
Speaker 5: It was very quickly put together after that, and we

2634
02:31:42,360 --> 02:31:48,920
Speaker 5: started doing shows almost immediately. But here's the thing, right, No,

2635
02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:54,600
Speaker 5: something new happens every show. Every show, something new happens

2636
02:31:54,640 --> 02:32:00,360
Speaker 5: because they it's like the eighteen. There's always some shit.

2637
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:03,520
Speaker 5: It's you know, Ed is stuck at the mall because

2638
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:06,400
Speaker 5: he had to go get some sneakers. I've got to

2639
02:32:06,440 --> 02:32:11,600
Speaker 5: go get some sneakers, or Chubb got a flat twenty

2640
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:14,520
Speaker 5: one miles out and we need to send the van

2641
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:20,080
Speaker 5: to go get him. Dana done drink off the whole

2642
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:24,520
Speaker 5: damned green room already before we get on stage. By

2643
02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:31,359
Speaker 5: the time we get on stage, it's not man, this appen.

2644
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,520
Speaker 1: Well, y'all sound like Bingo Long and the Traveling All stuff.

2645
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:37,640
Speaker 5: Listen. I will watch that show though, when I listen,

2646
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:42,279
Speaker 5: when I tell you that this is the most glorified

2647
02:32:42,400 --> 02:32:46,720
Speaker 5: group of misfits ever, but it works.

2648
02:32:46,920 --> 02:32:49,280
Speaker 7: And how how does it feel to be able to

2649
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:49,720
Speaker 7: do that though?

2650
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:51,760
Speaker 3: Because it was a time when like artists like y'all, like,

2651
02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:53,959
Speaker 3: I feel like it was a resurgence of doing shows

2652
02:32:54,040 --> 02:32:55,920
Speaker 3: and stuff. I mean, even though it's COVID now, but

2653
02:32:56,360 --> 02:32:58,119
Speaker 3: it just feels good to be able to watch, y'all.

2654
02:32:58,120 --> 02:32:59,800
Speaker 3: So how much good does it feel to be able.

2655
02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:02,400
Speaker 5: To do It feels great? Because here's the thing of Maror.

2656
02:33:02,840 --> 02:33:05,640
Speaker 5: We don't get on and I do a set of songs,

2657
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:07,600
Speaker 5: and then I get off, and then Chubb comes on

2658
02:33:07,640 --> 02:33:09,600
Speaker 5: and does a set of songs, and then he gets up.

2659
02:33:09,959 --> 02:33:14,920
Speaker 5: It is absolutely I'm doing We're all on listen, We're

2660
02:33:14,959 --> 02:33:17,400
Speaker 5: all on stage doing ad libs in each other's songs,

2661
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:21,039
Speaker 5: be in each other's hype. Man, check this out, I sing,

2662
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:25,800
Speaker 5: excuse me not saying I scatted the horn solo and

2663
02:33:25,879 --> 02:33:40,400
Speaker 5: treat them right. Every show.

2664
02:33:35,959 --> 02:33:42,280
Speaker 9: I scat, I scat the entire horn solo of treat

2665
02:33:42,320 --> 02:33:42,640
Speaker 9: them right.

2666
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:48,039
Speaker 1: Everything between the five of you, like with all your

2667
02:33:48,120 --> 02:33:52,400
Speaker 1: respective hits and the well loved classic album cuts. That's

2668
02:33:52,560 --> 02:33:56,840
Speaker 1: that's a very tight, damn near could could be near

2669
02:33:56,879 --> 02:33:58,640
Speaker 1: two hour extravaganza.

2670
02:33:59,440 --> 02:34:02,400
Speaker 5: It is. We condense it because a lot of shows,

2671
02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:04,480
Speaker 5: whether we get on the bill, we only get like

2672
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:06,520
Speaker 5: you know, it might be twenty minutes, thirty minutes or

2673
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:08,840
Speaker 5: something like that. You have to we have to condense

2674
02:34:08,920 --> 02:34:11,600
Speaker 5: the show, so we tail and make it according to

2675
02:34:11,640 --> 02:34:15,160
Speaker 5: whatever billing we're on. And then please let us not forget.

2676
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:18,240
Speaker 5: We have a DJ set in the middle of our

2677
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:22,920
Speaker 5: show because DJ tap Money I said, yes, it's our DJ.

2678
02:34:23,640 --> 02:34:26,879
Speaker 1: Does he still have his half Roy.

2679
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:29,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, he doesn't have it. He doesn't have his hat,

2680
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:32,160
Speaker 5: well he does, but it's on his belly now.

2681
02:34:33,160 --> 02:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh damn.

2682
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:38,959
Speaker 5: Anyways, the way I know that is because he does

2683
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:40,920
Speaker 5: a belly He lifts his shirt up as part of

2684
02:34:40,959 --> 02:34:44,760
Speaker 5: his DJ set and he's moved the fade with his belly.

2685
02:34:45,160 --> 02:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

2686
02:34:45,640 --> 02:34:49,039
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeow okay, this is perfectly yo.

2687
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:52,200
Speaker 3: I should remind everybody you guys, mony's closing our women's

2688
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:53,959
Speaker 3: history mouff, and I just wanted to say, it's so

2689
02:34:54,040 --> 02:34:57,119
Speaker 3: perfect because I don't think people give you flowers enough

2690
02:34:57,400 --> 02:34:59,160
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad that you had this line to

2691
02:34:59,240 --> 02:35:03,360
Speaker 3: stay with us like flowers. Cists like flowers flowers so much.

2692
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:06,640
Speaker 6: No, man, I did not know that you know your

2693
02:35:06,840 --> 02:35:09,039
Speaker 6: your I guess kind of the tentacles of your career

2694
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:10,920
Speaker 6: win as far as they did. And this is the

2695
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:13,720
Speaker 6: first time I'm hearing any of these stories, you know

2696
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 6: what I mean. This is amazing, Like you really, you

2697
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:20,400
Speaker 6: really weren't inspiration and you know again, just in a

2698
02:35:20,440 --> 02:35:26,280
Speaker 6: word or two for me, I was like, man, man,

2699
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:28,800
Speaker 6: that was the one I love that song and that's

2700
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:30,640
Speaker 6: the only time Prince got hip hop right for me.

2701
02:35:30,680 --> 02:35:32,240
Speaker 1: And the fact that he did it with you, I

2702
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:34,120
Speaker 1: think that says a lot about you.

2703
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:38,040
Speaker 5: Definitely intertwined a lot. I'm really glad that you guys

2704
02:35:38,280 --> 02:35:42,080
Speaker 5: have me had me on a mayor. One of my

2705
02:35:42,120 --> 02:35:47,879
Speaker 5: fondest memories of the roots is I pledged myself to

2706
02:35:47,959 --> 02:35:52,080
Speaker 5: be their sister, okay. And I was so serious about

2707
02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:56,640
Speaker 5: being sister to the roots that when they won Grammys

2708
02:35:57,160 --> 02:36:03,680
Speaker 5: that year, I drove by myself from New York to

2709
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:07,720
Speaker 5: Philly at night time by myself to go to their

2710
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:13,560
Speaker 5: Grammy party. At hah, that'd be a night.

2711
02:36:16,400 --> 02:36:17,400
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't like.

2712
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:20,680
Speaker 7: Action and Adventure.

2713
02:36:21,360 --> 02:36:24,520
Speaker 1: No, only only because that was the night where they

2714
02:36:24,600 --> 02:36:28,160
Speaker 1: where they played the clip of us winning and then uh.

2715
02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:30,600
Speaker 1: I asked my girlfriend and I'm like, wait, what does

2716
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:34,000
Speaker 1: in theory mean? And she's like, that means he didn't

2717
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:36,240
Speaker 1: deserve to win it. And I was like, wait, did

2718
02:36:36,280 --> 02:36:39,520
Speaker 1: Mope just say in theory the roots. She's like, yes,

2719
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:45,560
Speaker 1: he did. And I was like, I've never I've never Yeah,

2720
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, no we he we. I said that

2721
02:36:48,040 --> 02:36:51,280
Speaker 1: in an interview once when he he said on the

2722
02:36:51,320 --> 02:36:54,320
Speaker 1: red carpet that he loved Buster Rhymes so much that

2723
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:58,680
Speaker 1: even if Buster Rhymes is not the winner of that night,

2724
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:01,720
Speaker 1: that he he's going to declare Buster Rhymes the winner.

2725
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:04,400
Speaker 1: So of course, you know, when he's reading off the

2726
02:37:04,400 --> 02:37:07,600
Speaker 1: nominees and says and the winner is, I was in

2727
02:37:07,640 --> 02:37:09,240
Speaker 1: the audience like, oh, we're not gonna win. We're not

2728
02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna win. We're not gonna win, and then everyone jumped up.

2729
02:37:11,480 --> 02:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, we won. I didn't hear

2730
02:37:13,080 --> 02:37:15,680
Speaker 1: what he said. So when we watched the Cliff that night,

2731
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:19,520
Speaker 1: and he was like, and the winner is in theory

2732
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:23,880
Speaker 1: the roots, and I was like, what does that mean?

2733
02:37:24,200 --> 02:37:26,880
Speaker 1: And they're like, fuck movie, that means he's he didn't

2734
02:37:26,879 --> 02:37:31,800
Speaker 1: think you deserved it like you technically wanted. And that's

2735
02:37:31,959 --> 02:37:34,760
Speaker 1: just that's when I started throwing my Grammys in the

2736
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:36,760
Speaker 1: bathroom and you know.

2737
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:39,959
Speaker 4: And no one feels like to get the fight with movie.

2738
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:40,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

2739
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of started that. That planted the seed

2740
02:37:45,120 --> 02:37:48,480
Speaker 1: of me like not wanting praise and I don't deserve

2741
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:50,360
Speaker 1: this ship. That like that really did a number on me.

2742
02:37:50,520 --> 02:37:55,280
Speaker 1: Like he he gave me a heartfelt email apology once.

2743
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:58,280
Speaker 1: I told a friend of his, like, you know what,

2744
02:37:59,360 --> 02:38:02,680
Speaker 1: how bad that not hurt me, but just affected me

2745
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to the point where I was indifferent to that ship

2746
02:38:05,800 --> 02:38:08,920
Speaker 1: and he felt really bad about it, so he apologized.

2747
02:38:08,959 --> 02:38:11,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, that night I had a whole, you know,

2748
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:16,120
Speaker 1: a whole nother view of that Grammy party. Like I

2749
02:38:16,200 --> 02:38:21,480
Speaker 1: never I hated flowers at that moment. So that's the

2750
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:24,680
Speaker 1: origin of the flower and a mer's anti flower movement.

2751
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:31,360
Speaker 1: But we're back giving you reclaim. It was my first

2752
02:38:31,400 --> 02:38:33,039
Speaker 1: time hearing any of these stories.

2753
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:36,519
Speaker 7: What's funny.

2754
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:38,880
Speaker 1: He didn't even never ship.

2755
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:40,640
Speaker 7: He didn't even talk about the real fight that went

2756
02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:42,360
Speaker 7: down at the party. But we'll talk about that later.

2757
02:38:42,400 --> 02:38:43,240
Speaker 7: That ship was illed.

2758
02:38:44,640 --> 02:38:47,080
Speaker 3: It was yes, mother to shoot the couple fight, A

2759
02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:52,440
Speaker 3: couple against couple, Ruth's number, ruth member and girlfriend.

2760
02:38:52,080 --> 02:39:01,080
Speaker 7: And yeah, yo, name, can I tell it?

2761
02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2762
02:39:01,360 --> 02:39:02,039
Speaker 7: Sure, real quick?

2763
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:02,360
Speaker 5: Okay?

2764
02:39:02,520 --> 02:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Was it? Was it someone that was married in the band?

2765
02:39:04,680 --> 02:39:04,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2766
02:39:04,959 --> 02:39:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was married. They were fighting the

2767
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:12,640
Speaker 3: first uh keyboard player, that's what they remember. It was

2768
02:39:12,680 --> 02:39:14,080
Speaker 3: the first keyboard.

2769
02:39:13,800 --> 02:39:18,720
Speaker 1: Player and girl friend and yeah.

2770
02:39:18,400 --> 02:39:21,200
Speaker 3: Versus the new one and his gangster wife. All right,

2771
02:39:21,320 --> 02:39:24,840
Speaker 3: I've done and money. Sorry he was to love, he

2772
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:27,240
Speaker 3: was getting love. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, oh

2773
02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:27,800
Speaker 3: my god.

2774
02:39:29,720 --> 02:39:36,240
Speaker 1: Whoa Yeah, I did not know this. Okay. Revelations story

2775
02:39:36,360 --> 02:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Storge Episode one.

2776
02:39:37,400 --> 02:39:41,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, can is this permission? Because this is just because

2777
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:41,840
Speaker 7: you said it on tape?

2778
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't see why not?

2779
02:39:46,600 --> 02:39:49,360
Speaker 7: Oh yod, thanks thanks mo.

2780
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Thank you mom. I appreciate it. Thank you ladies and gentlemen.

2781
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:57,320
Speaker 1: Money love h question of.

2782
02:39:57,360 --> 02:39:58,760
Speaker 5: Supreme you guys still hear me?

2783
02:39:59,120 --> 02:40:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is the perfect way to end the show.

2784
02:40:03,160 --> 02:40:06,160
Speaker 1: This is things going. Yeah, We'll see you next go

2785
02:40:06,200 --> 02:40:08,600
Speaker 1: around on request Love Supreme. Thank you very much.

2786
02:40:10,040 --> 02:40:12,840
Speaker 2: Hey, this is Sugar Steve. Make sure you keep up

2787
02:40:12,879 --> 02:40:16,400
Speaker 2: with us on Instagram at QLs and let us know

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