1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Twenty two years have passed since the unimaginable tragedy of 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand and one, a day that left 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: a permanent mark on history and forever changed the lives 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: of countless individuals. Even now, the echoes of nine to 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: eleven continue to resonate through the experiences of survivors and 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: their loved ones. Today, we are privileged to be joined 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: by my guests who would share her distinctive perspective on 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: the aftermath from nine to eleven, her path towards healing 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: and resilience, and her profound reflections on this transformative and 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: life arturing event. So to my guests, thank you so 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: much for being a part of the show. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, w good good. 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: How are you. 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 4: How are you feeling good? 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay. 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 4: I feel you on that me too. 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: So back then, you were employed at Rakovia Bank, working 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: on the forty seventh floor of the North Tower on 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: the morning of nine to eleven. Looking back, did you 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: notice anything different that day? 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: No, it was my really my first day back from vacation. 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: I just took my son back to college that weekend. 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: Normal day, didn't you know? Stop and get your breakfast, 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: getting the elevator to be elevated from one to forty four, 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: forty four to forty seven. Got off, went in a 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: ladies room, and you know, another girl was in there, 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: say hey, you do she said, I'm okay. So about 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: that time, the building shook like you have no idea. 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: It's like being on a spaceship or roller coast. 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: Bam bam band. So her and nine ran. 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: To the back of the bathroom. We just hugged each other. 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: You see the water coming up from toilet. You hear 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: the elevators crashing down, as I said before, to the 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: elevating from. 35 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: One to forty four, forty four to forty seven. 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: Once the buildings stopped shaking, I went, well, I didn't 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: know exactly what she worked for. I went to my 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: office and I'm parping because as I came out of 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: the ladies room, the dust and debris it's heading my face. 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: I can't see. I'm porking. 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: What did you stand going on before you find out? 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: I at that time, I was so scared and too 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: nervous to even know what to think was what could 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: be going on? 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: Right? And I walked in my office. 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: I worked for Jacob and Securities, which is now well 47 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: to Fargo and we dealt with physical security, you know. 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: So as I walked in my office and I'm answer, 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: what happened? They said, now playing head? I was like, 50 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: what a plane? So you can see the paper and 51 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: the dust and debris coming through, you know, coming outside 52 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: through the window, and my coworkers you know, giving me 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: water to ask me can I breathe? I'm like no, 54 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: I said, I need to pull my husband mm hmm. 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: Before I pulled Tim, I pought my mother. 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: She wasn't there. 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: I pulled my aunt, which she completely freaked out. I 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: did get a chance to call my husband. He was working. 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: This is about nine o'clock. He worked in Queens for 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: disabled school and he said, what's going on? I said, honey, 61 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: a plane hit the building. He was like no, no. 62 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: So now I know everybody heard the story of what's 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: to stay put? 64 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: Stay put, don't go nowhere. 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: My voice decided for us to say no, we are 66 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: going to evacuate. Yeah. 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: They put with a you wouldn't have beer today, no, ma'am. 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: And they so know like ladies roys have too bad, 69 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: you know. So I had my heels on. 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: It was cute, you know. 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 3: So I put my sniggers on and they say take 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: something and cover your mouth. And now I'm like panic. 73 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: You know, everybody's getting together, you. 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: Know, peak up. 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: And my thing was people are still eating breakfast, you know, 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: eating breakfast. They're talking and everything, you know, a lot 77 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: of attentions on me because I didn't know exactly what 78 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: was going on. 79 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: And y'all look outside the windows and see that the 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 4: first tower was hit. 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: No, we couldn't see it. 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: All we seen was the paper, right, you know what 83 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: we seen with the paper, you know, coming down from 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: the highest floors. So now they saying, you know, get 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 3: something to put it around your mouth. So I had 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: my sock and the scariest thing in the world, the 87 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: scariest thing. 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: Now there was. 89 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: Only one stairwell. You could not run and there was 90 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: no place to man, you know, one stairwell. So was 91 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: uh they made it one stairwell. So you went down 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: and one side and the other side was for the 93 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: fire fighters coming up. One lady was coming down the steps. 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: Her whole body was singed. 95 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: When I say sined, I mean she with her skin 96 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: with fuse, you know, the smell with Jeff. 97 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: You all up closed. She's bleeding, like, oh my god, 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: what's going on? 99 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: You know, did disabled people with dogs as men coming 100 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: downstairs with a dog, Like I said, I seen over 101 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: twenty to thirty firefighters going up. I know they didn't 102 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: make it out. My boss host they grabbed me behind 103 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: my curling said can you make it? 104 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: I said no, I can't breathe, I can't see. 105 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: So now as we're going down the stairwell, don't answer. 106 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine how long it took us where 107 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: we were. 108 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I saw in one of your interviews you said it 109 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: took y'all almost like forty five minutes just to walk 110 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: down the stairs. 111 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: Walk down the steps, I mean, because you know, there's 112 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: so many people trying to get out. Like I said, 113 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: one lady was coming from the highest force. You could 114 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 3: smell the jet fuel on her clothes, her skinners burning. 115 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: You know. Another man, he's completely covered. 116 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: With the jeffud because the fire springers wasn't going warf 117 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: at that time as yet. When we got down to 118 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: the can course level, it's like a you know, like 119 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: a mall. You know, chocolate and nuts and Madonalds, cvs. 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: The rav everything's in the mall. So When I got down, 121 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: my boy said, my other supervisor, Jose said, can you breath? 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: I was like no, So they put me in a 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: wheelchair right on the left side. I don't know if 124 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: you remember the World Trade when it was built, it 125 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: was the Board's bookstore and it was an escalator. So 126 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: they put me in a wheelchair and then carry me 127 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: up the escalator. And as I get across the street, 128 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: I'm still like panic, stricking what's stolen on? 129 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: You see people running around, and I do have. 130 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: Illustrations of people, you know, looking up. I'm sitting on 131 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: the flower pot, and the EMS asked me missing your breathe. 132 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: I'm like no, I can't breathe. All that time, a 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: priest is talking with me. We all stopped and looked 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: up and people are holding hands jumping out the window. 135 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, so frightening. Now after that. 136 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: I can't tell you what happened. I know it's a 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: good twenty to thirty minutes of my life. When the 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: second plane hit. When the second plane hit, I'm sitting 139 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: from the Millennia Hotel on the flower pot. 140 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: That last literally picked up my body. 141 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: I went over the flower pot, banging my head coming 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: down the wall. 143 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: When I landed, I landed on top of people's dead. 144 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: Nobody underneath underneath me was moving. It was just like 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: so crazy. Now the Millennia Hotel is all glass. So 146 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: as I tried to get up, I lose my rights, nigger, 147 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: And I'm just in the days. In the days, I'm 148 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: just walking. I mean, it's not all of some things 149 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: I do have. You know, when your brain rewinds, you 150 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: do remember some things. 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: You was also in a shot too, though. 152 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah it's pretty and shock is not the word. As 153 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: I am walking down the street, as I said, I 154 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 3: lost my right snigger. 155 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: I tried on a shoe. You know, you're just walking, 156 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: You're not thinking. 157 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: And I see I worked on Wall Street from nineteen 158 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: seventy seven to two thousand and one. 159 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: I waiting for the Bank of York for twenty three. 160 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: Years and pretty much knew which way I was walking, 161 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 3: didn't know as that we I what's going And I 162 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: needed to rent out my mouth, Like I said, it's 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: not a completely sad story, you know, like your brain 164 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: dumps people. And I just needed to rent out my mouth. 165 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: And my girlfriend said, where are you? 166 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 2: You know? Now? 167 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: Later on I said, I don't even need to rent 168 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: out of my mouth. Come to find out it was 169 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: the boar. She said, you're drinking people time, you know, 170 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: you know, not thinking that I'm in a bar, you know, 171 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: at this time of the day, this time in the morning, 172 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: I just need to rent in tide of my mouth. 173 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: So you ran into the nearest place that you saw 174 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 4: to get like some water or something. 175 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: Just to yes, yes, yes, I ran into the nearest place. 176 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: Now, once I came out, a construction guy gave me 177 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: a mess. I probably look a complete mess. I have 178 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: no clue because I want you to remind you when 179 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: I was in the building, before I got in the wheelchair, 180 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: and now the fire and sprinklers going on. So when 181 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: the said everything is stuck to me, now everything is 182 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 3: stuck to me. When okay, when the send the building 183 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: of fire springs going off. So when I got out 184 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: the building and when the blastead, now everything is stuck 185 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: to me because I'm wet. And like I said, now, 186 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: as I'm walking down the street, I seen the construction 187 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: god and he gave me a mask of water. I'm like, 188 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: oh my goodness, so so happened, my landlord. She works 189 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: for the PBA Police Benevolent Association I walked in the building. 190 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: I said, I need to see my sister said, miss no, 191 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: you need to rent out your rents out your eyes. 192 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: It's a reason why there was no mirror in that bathroom. 193 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: I've probably have been no to it. I'm to talk 194 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: to you today. 195 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: So I'm venting off my blouse and a lady came 196 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: in the bathroom and I asked her, I said, and 197 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: my burning. So she put it because I oh, something 198 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: hot hit my back from where mind you? In front 199 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: of the Millennial Hotel. So happened now I know it 200 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: was glass. It sends the back of my pants. 201 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 2: Write. 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 3: We put our belts on, put our pants on. She 203 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 3: put a piece of tissue there. So now coming out 204 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 3: the building and it's a row of smoke coming down 205 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: the block, people running, it's chaos. 206 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: A couple of ladies and probably gentlemen off. We just 207 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: stood there. 208 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: We just talked each other and pray because we still 209 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: don't well, I didn't know. 210 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: We still didn't know what was going on. 211 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: Dawn on you that that our city was under attack, didn't. 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: Have a clue. 213 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: I understand we was under attacked when the plane hit 214 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: the building, but not under attack. 215 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: Like you know, we know now, right right right, And as. 216 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: Of course, in the street it was two Italian gentlemen, 217 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: white gentlemen. 218 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: I wish I could see him today. 219 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: Now, mind you, my blouse is wet and he had 220 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: like a traveling case, and I asked them, it's their shirt. 221 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: Does he have a shirt I can put on? 222 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: I go again with it, said now the completely said story, 223 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: your bravey one. 224 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: He took off his shirt. I took off my shirt. 225 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: If you ain't never seen black cops dogs today because 226 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: you're not thinking, your mind is like, oh what, what's 227 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: so annoying? I take my shirt and I wrapping around 228 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 3: my foot, remind you I have no shoe on, and 229 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: I'm of course, and now we're walking and not knowing. 230 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to walk over with the Brooklyn Bridge 231 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: and people are stopping me. 232 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: The cell poms are not working. 233 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 4: People towers were done. You could not get in contact 234 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: with anybody. 235 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: No one. So it was a blessing. 236 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: You know that before I did leave the job, that 237 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: my huntsman, I was able to speak to my huntsband 238 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: and I'm warming frying and walking up crying, still have 239 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: no clue what's going on. 240 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: And you know, because we're walking up with the Brooklyn Bridge. 241 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: So when we got the Cabin Plaza, which is on 242 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: the other side of the Brooklyn Bridge, I said on 243 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: the curve, I said, I can't go no more. I 244 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: can't do this. I don't know what's going on somewhere. 245 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: The EMS amelet came in and they picked me up. 246 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, when you get in the Alans, 247 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: they don't play. They cut off your shirt, they put 248 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: the oxygen thing on. Of course, somebody took my picture. 249 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: Was a news reporter, I said, said a couple of. 250 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: Things like you're like, who are you? 251 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: As they cut off your day exposing me and they 252 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: clicking click, and I'm like, what is you know you've 253 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: got time to do all of that and I'm in 254 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: a frantic world here. 255 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: So that's it's crazy. 256 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: It's not the word. It was like unreal. So now 257 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: they took me to Woodfull Hunt for in Brooklyn. As 258 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: I get there, prepare yourself, it's a man laying there. 259 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: Imagine you have like ten knives in your hand, but 260 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: they're all pieces of glass, glass, but they're all pieces 261 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: of glass. Well over they are operating on this man 262 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: next to me. I am completely freaked out. 263 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: Now. 264 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: Now, then I find out that we were under attack, right, 265 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: it was like, you know, people rushing. Five people are screaming. 266 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: This man is screaming because they're operating on him. They 267 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: cutting over the rest of my clothes off, and you know, 268 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: because when I got to the hospital, now I had 269 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: third degree burnings in my back about the size of 270 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: an orange. Now I'm the size of a grapefruit. And 271 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: after you know too pictures you could see down to 272 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: the core of my back. You see the plus the blood, 273 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: the hole that was in my back. 274 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 275 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: Yes, So as the m mess worker too, it's can 276 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: you can you call my mother? Can you call my husband? 277 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: And he was able to. 278 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: Get a call through. 279 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: But in the meantime, as I'm waiting there, they send 280 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: me to get X rays. 281 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: They wanted to make right right, you know, X rays, 282 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: they cat scan. 283 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: You know, my face was completely gray mm hmmm from 284 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: the dust in the breed being being you know, just water. 285 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: You know, the damage and everything was completely great. And 286 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: I'm completely freaked out now because I'm like, this man 287 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: is being operating on me. They you know, it's like 288 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: a tag team of like ten doctors, ten nurses. They 289 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: checking my feet, they checking my arms, they you know, 290 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: they're just checking me all over and. 291 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, what's going on? What happened? 292 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: And that's when they told me we are under attacked. 293 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Under attacked for what I said. A plane hit building one, 294 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: Tower one, which I was in, and the second plane 295 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: hit tower two. 296 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: Now that the second plane is what what the buildings? Now? Now? 297 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: Mind you right? 298 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: Because when I was a kid and I was watching this, 299 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: the first tower when it got hit, it didn't go down. 300 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: They ship and you can like. 301 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: It kind of like broke, but it stood, it stood up. 302 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: But when that's when when the plane hit the second tower, 303 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: that's whenever it was over. 304 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that when when the plane that's that's when the 305 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 3: blast picked my body up and I went on the 306 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: other side the second towers. 307 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: What what now? 308 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: You know, when you in the airplane, you notice when 309 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 3: the plane goes over. 310 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: The water, he's releasing the jet for you or right. 311 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: So now, while while they when they hit the building, 312 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: they had a full full I guess, I guess tank 313 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: or whatever you want to pull it foul jet your 314 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: So that made the side of the building crumbled down. 315 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: Because we don't know how much was in the airplane 316 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: or to come down. 317 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: It was like, uh, it was a complete hard mess up. Yeah, 318 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: it was just so so so much going on at 319 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: that time when you were in the hospital. 320 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: I lost saw my clothes on. My clothes were going. 321 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: My shoes were going, you know, so they have to 322 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: give you shoes. I had to pay a velvet pants. 323 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: It was a ninety degrees that day, you know, had 324 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: t shirts and Okay, as I'm in the hospital and 325 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: my husband and my dolfriend they foundly came and they 326 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: found me right. And when they found me, I'm still 327 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: like in the days like who were you? You know, 328 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: it's like it's judge, like I will know no husband, 329 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: and you know, your mind is completely freaked out. 330 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Why I was gonna ask you, Have there been any 331 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: lasting physical or emotional effects from this experience? 332 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: Yes, pretty much so. I had. 333 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: I had my left shoulder operated on, I had my 334 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: left knee operated on. The third degree burning to my back, 335 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: which which entitled skin grasps, decided my ear, my face 336 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: was burnt. The trauma alone postmatic stress disorder is no show, right. 337 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: I mean the things you think, you know. 338 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: And when once I did get home to hear airplane, 339 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: or to hear a car backfire, or to hear a 340 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: fire truck. 341 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: Completely completely freaked out. 342 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: I remember my husband telling me one time I was 343 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: laid down sleep and I just got up and just 344 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: started running through the house and he had to grab 345 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 3: me and said, you're okay. Your home, your home completely done. 346 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: Also, I was. 347 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: Carrying a bag and two about three blocks away, a 348 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: firefighter fouled my bag. I had my keys in there, 349 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: had my name on it, crucifix, my son high school ring, 350 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 3: and I had a prayer book and it had two 351 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: numbers in there. 352 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: One was from the lady from Charlotte. 353 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: But I hadn't met my girlfriend that I went to 354 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: junior high school, and he called her. He contacted me 355 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 3: and he met me and he brought me my dad, 356 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: my crucifix from the Flowers, the most retired firefighting but 357 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: he went back to work that day, you know, him 358 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: and his son, and it was so so unreal. 359 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: So it was really unreal. You know. 360 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: From my company, which I wanted to pulled out my book, 361 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: were little inspire people from my company. It was Kathleen, 362 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: Kathleen Carlos, Antinette Stawyer and Jeffrey We don't know what 363 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: flawd they stopped doing where they were why they didn't 364 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: get out One story, myself and another guy, Tom, we 365 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 3: were really. 366 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: The main the ones that were most injured. 367 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: Now, the story is that Tom was holding Antinette's hand 368 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: but letting her hand go and that's when the building 369 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: came down on her. 370 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: It's just like we you know, you like such in 371 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 2: the dates. 372 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 3: Now, they eventually they did go back to work, but 373 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: they worked up town on the twenty second floor. 374 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not I wasn't. 375 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: I wasn't in in the way to go back to work. 376 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: I was still too traumatized, right, you. 377 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 3: Know, I had to you know a psychiatrists. That's the definite, 378 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: you know, going back and forth to doctors. 379 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: They want to try to come back to work right 380 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 4: after its or like. 381 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: They went back to work. Say that happened September. By December, 382 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: I think they were back to work. Oh wow, Yeah, 383 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: they moved up to a different location, Avenue America somewhere, 384 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: and then a lot of them went back to work. 385 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: You know, So, how did your perspective on life, relationships, 386 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: or just the world in general change after experiencing nine 387 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: eleven firsthand? 388 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: You know what it changed for me to really. 389 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 3: Understand and recognize this this world is full of people 390 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: of hate, people of. 391 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: Different to send us. 392 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: You know, it just changed my life on I'm not 393 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: as I wasn't as easy walking around as I was before. 394 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: I mean, we all, you know, watch your back or 395 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. 396 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: But it had a different way of when you go out. 397 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: Now, now you're really alert to what's around you, what's 398 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: going on. You're you're more focused on watching your back 399 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: even more. Yeah, it just I mean, it took me 400 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: a long time to even come out the house. M M. 401 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: How it took you said about the three months I 402 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: was a great I was afraid any any slight noise, 403 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 3: any like I said, any fire trucks, any airplane and 404 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: garbage cans you know how to cause backfire. 405 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: I'm a complete mess. I'm a complete mess. You know. 406 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: It was something that I wish for no one to 407 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: to live that. You know, I was still mentally les 408 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: they said post a matter stress, and I know what 409 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: that is now mentally affected me because I have all 410 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 3: these different ailments now were other different elements, Like I said, 411 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: took me about two three months before I even came 412 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: out the house. But now I do have to go out. 413 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 3: I have to go to the doctors. I have to 414 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 3: go to corner Bernston and I am right, and I 415 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: am scared as you know what. I'm just panic. I'm like, 416 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 3: do I have to go? 417 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: You know? 418 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 3: So it was it was something where I didn't think 419 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: I would be able to. 420 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 2: Be in society again. Hm hmm. 421 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: You know, you know it's it's like you know you 422 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: you know, I had to take baby sets. I was like, yeah, yeah, 423 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: you know, trying to think. I think that the thing 424 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 3: to my sense of walking, talking, your your your the 425 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: mind is it's a very scary thing if you do 426 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: not know how to control your thoughts. 427 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: You know, as I'm saying, control your thoughts is. 428 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, the mic and the mic can play some tricks 429 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 4: on you. 430 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: The mind can take to someplace you don't want to go. 431 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: You don't want to go, you don't want to think. 432 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 3: I just felt like, why am I here? 433 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: What happened? You know? 434 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Well that's my next question. Did your perspective on faith, 435 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: spirituality or religionship or did. 436 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: It involve no, no, no. I became stronger. I grew up, 437 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: you know, growing up, you know, younger and Browns where. 438 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 3: We went to church. We had to go to church. 439 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: You know, Ussher, you know, always knew my faith. You know, 440 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: this just brought it even stronger. 441 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: Mmmm. 442 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: That day is they said the devil attacked the world. 443 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: The devil attacked the world, and it attacked my mind. Also, 444 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: there was so many times where you know, I wasn't 445 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 3: thinking right, I was feeling right. 446 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do what. 447 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's like, you know, trying to speak all 448 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 3: lovely again, trying to feel emotion and by me having 449 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 3: my faith brought me through, right, I say, my faith 450 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 3: brought me through. I can't teach you, Jesus. I don't 451 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: know who you pray to. I know I was covered. 452 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, because for you, the enter for you to 453 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: you was in the building in the restaurant when the 454 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: first plane hit. And it's still be here twenty two 455 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: years later like that that that's insane. 456 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: Yes, twenty two years and you know I went to 457 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 3: the World Trade the other day, went too of the 458 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: the pools as sin as I got off the train, 459 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: you know, dab e zhibits and stuff. As soon as 460 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 3: I cross the street to wolf on the Memorial, I'm done. 461 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm done, the tears are flowing. Before's beat and you practice. 462 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 3: I relived it a. 463 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: Lot, right. Do you get that feeling every time you 464 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 4: go down there? 465 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: Every time? Not a time that I don't. I mean, 466 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: I mean when we go for the anniversaries. You know, 467 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: last year I said I'm not going. 468 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: I'm not going. 469 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: I said, no, I have to go. I see so 470 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: many of my well, I really don't see no coworkers. 471 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 3: I see more of ems. You know, I see a 472 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: of firefighters. These are people that I got a chance 473 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 3: to know now after being hurt. I didn't work for 474 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: fourteen years. I didn't work for fourteen years. I was like, 475 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: I'm not going to work. I'm not getting on the train. 476 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: I'm not. 477 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: You know, the airplanes and everything. It's still your it's 478 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: your mind. Your mind. Watch the mind. If you don't 479 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 3: have your faith in God, if you cannot control how 480 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: you feel, it'll take me someplace that you don't even 481 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: want to imagine. 482 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 4: Fourteen years. 483 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 3: What did you do? 484 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 4: Like you just you stay at the house. 485 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like during that time I got in my 486 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: got my need was operating. No first day I did this, 487 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 3: they did the skin grafts on my back so that 488 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: was back and forth to the. 489 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: Hospital, going to the psychiatrists. You know. That was back 490 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: and forth going to my regular doctor. 491 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: You know, because now everything got to be notedd You're 492 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: gonna have to have a paper trail, right, not exactly 493 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: what's golen on. 494 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: You have to go to their doctors. 495 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: You know, once you became disabled, when you got hurt 496 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 3: day they used to timetrists. 497 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, I was going to ask you that do 498 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: the city pay or do the city support those who've 499 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: been affected by events like this? Or like how does 500 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: the city support you? 501 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: Okay, well, back then I was supported by so many 502 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 3: organizations American Redforce, Easter Silvil, Salvation Army, Mother Luco, fun 503 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: Catholic charities. Like I said, my son was in college. 504 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: They do support you, now see it. It's such a 505 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: shame that so many people put a fraudulent events that 506 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 3: somebody died or whatever. 507 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: So it made it more harder for us. Yes, it 508 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: made it scam. Scam is not the word. 509 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: Were skimming. The man put through a not only him. 510 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: I heard of so many stories how the man just 511 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: put up that. You know, he lost his son, another 512 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: lady lost a daughter. This will and they still a 513 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: lot so they will research you, they will send interrogators 514 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 3: to you, the FBI. 515 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: Yet they will make. 516 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 4: Sure sounds got to be if you lie like that. 517 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know, you don't know. You can't imagine 518 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: what people do in a circumstance. Well, people actually died, 519 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: people walking around with no limbs or can't breathe or whatever. 520 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: To say that you know, you were lost a loved one, 521 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: that's no joke, that's no joke. All the all the 522 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: people that did lose someone. Now you're saying you lost someone, 523 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: and they like thing like sitting right next to it. You 524 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: didn't lose anyone, but just what I had to go on. 525 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: It's like, how dare you so. 526 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: A lot of people, Okay, they do suffer with the trauma, 527 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: the post matter stress, even though they wasn't there. 528 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: A couple of times they're like, oh, I'm feeling so bad. 529 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: You know, don't try. We all are survivors in some 530 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: kind of. 531 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: Way, right in some capacity for sure, right. 532 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: Some you know, some capacity. 533 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 3: Don't take mine downfall to make your story look better. 534 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: If you understand what I'm saying. You know it was 535 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: for those fourteen years. 536 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I like I said, about three months I 537 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: didn't go out petrified. 538 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: That's going outside. But what I made at home, I 539 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: made it home safe. There's no need for me to 540 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: go over there. You know. 541 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 3: Of course I'm getting phone calls. Everybodyce calling and check in. 542 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: You know this that my past. Uh, you know, people 543 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: of the church, my cousins, you know, everybody asking you know. 544 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: Okay, well no I'm not a. 545 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: S from Okay, So what are your thoughts on safety 546 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: and security now? Because I know you will go outside 547 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: now and you're back active, but like, how do you 548 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: feel about your safety or security because you know, unfortunately 549 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: a lot of things we can't. 550 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: Even worse, even worse, you know, yeah, you know, you 551 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: know now that you go in the buildings, you know 552 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: you have to have your I D. You got some 553 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: security around, yeah, you know, you just can't walk in 554 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: the building like you used to before. It's like where 555 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: you're going with your ID, you know, which is a 556 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 3: good caution that you mentioned. You know, you got the 557 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: what you call of them, the detectives to make sure 558 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: you don't have nothing on you. It's to me, I 559 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: want to say, it is still a scary feeling. The 560 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 3: air is not settled yet, you know, And saying it's 561 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 3: just so much still going nord, but you can't be 562 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: afraid you had That's when your faith comes in. Yeah, 563 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: that's when your faith coming. Could you have to have 564 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: your faith over your fear because fear would make you 565 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: not go nowhere? 566 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? 567 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, would you not go now now? 568 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 3: When I did go back to work fourteen years later, 569 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 3: I worked for Downtown of Alliance in that kia On school, 570 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: right next on Vesi Street, right next to the seven 571 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: World tread, I saw it cried up, like what am 572 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: I doing there? If I didn't speak to over four 573 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 3: hundred to five hundred people a day, needed to know 574 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: where to go to the memorial, where to get tickets, 575 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: uptown place, downtown place, you know. So that got me 576 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: back into a little bit more of living work, living 577 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 3: life again. They did a I'm eleventh, I either go 578 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: to church, go on vacation. I'm not in New York, right, 579 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: I just you know, last year I was here and 580 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: I did go to the memorial. 581 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: But you know, the closest get the worst I get. 582 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: Do you find comfort in connecting with other survivors? Do 583 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: you keep in contact with them? 584 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: Oh? You know what? 585 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: After I stopped working for downtown of Alliance. I dust 586 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: myself for now. 587 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: My husband has passed away. 588 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: So he passed away in two thousand and eight, so 589 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: now I got to get myself together. 590 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: You know my son detective today. I'm proud of him. Yeah. 591 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: And I went to. 592 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: School September Eleven's Families and Widows Association. And when I went, 593 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: I had no appointment. Knocked on the door, went in 594 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: there and filled out the application. My boys to re 595 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 3: So she said, well, now then you know she was 596 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: the manager sis a manager. 597 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: So she said fill out this application. 598 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: She was leaving, she was having she had cancer, but 599 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: she's doing okay. And I filled out that. She said, 600 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: come back to lot the eighth. I went back and 601 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: that's when they told me welcome to the organization. 602 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking about? 603 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: It was truly truly a blessing at fifty nine when 604 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 3: I got hurt, I was forty four. 605 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 2: When I went back to work, I'm fifty nine now. 606 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: Right and human resources with human resource administrator with a 607 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 3: business card at fifty nine. So the organization was started 608 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 3: by Leela Pelly. Leila Pelly was a firefighter in Brooklyn. 609 00:34:53,360 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: His son Jonathan, was a firefighter from September day they 610 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 3: couldn't find his body. From September eleven to November eleven, 611 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 3: they couldn't find his body. But when they did find 612 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 3: his body, he was fully intact. They was able to 613 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 3: give him a proper burial. The organization, it was something 614 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: that I could never imagine to work for. We are 615 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 3: called docents. We see a lot of us. We're in 616 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: a group setting and we take people on the memorial. Now, 617 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 3: first time I went because I'm working for September eleven, 618 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 3: so I need to know what they do on. 619 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: What's going on. I worked. 620 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 3: I worked in the corporate office on twenty two Courtland, 621 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 3: but across the street on Liberty they had the nine 622 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 3: eleven Museum because there was no place for no one 623 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: to go. 624 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: No. 625 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: Really hard though, to still be in an area and 626 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: working and like a party history in a way that 627 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: you were like, there has to be a lot. 628 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot. And you know. 629 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 3: My you know before, you know my boys, when he 630 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: made the when he did the building. It's all kinds 631 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 3: of artifacts, it's tourists, it's people coming in. And I 632 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 3: was the only one in my office about thirty of 633 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: us and I'm the only survivor. 634 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 2: So now I have to go to the other side 635 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 2: where the museum is. I walked in there, chairs done crying. 636 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: I pulled myself together. 637 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 3: Now they want me to go cross the street to 638 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 3: the to the tower, to the bulls. 639 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 2: I've lost it. I said, I can't do this. I 640 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 2: can't do this. So I went back to my office, 641 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: got my lunch and down you're on Limpic Street. You're 642 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: on Wall Street. Thousands and thousands of people. It was. 643 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: A lady came up to me. She said, you just 644 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: stopped to hear my story. 645 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 3: I got bullished my food. 646 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: For you and her. 647 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 3: Dater got killed that day and her name was Dina, 648 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 3: and Dina I don't know if she's still alive, but 649 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 3: Diana was like ninety three back then, and she said, 650 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 3: you can do this, you can do this. Just have 651 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 3: your faith, you can do this. I looked at the 652 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 3: other lady like, thank you whatever, thinking about what you're 653 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 3: talking about. And when I went back to my open 654 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 3: she was there, and like I said, I haven't met 655 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 656 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 4: I can't even imagine how many people you have met, because. 657 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: I met people from all around the world, you know, 658 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 3: I have met the firefighters, now these are personal friends 659 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: of mine, the firefighters, the ems, nurses, doctors. I haven't 660 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 3: met lawyers. We, like I said, we're called doc. So 661 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 3: when we're going to memory, we go to not only 662 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 3: tell our story, but we tell of the story. 663 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 4: So have you ever experienced survivor's. 664 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 3: Guilt, survivors skills, survivor's guilt. 665 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: Of survivor's guilt. 666 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 3: And some type of ways, yess, some type of ways, yes, 667 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 3: survivor is guilt. 668 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 2: Is why am I here? 669 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: Right? Why did God allow me to come back? You know, 670 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 3: so many people have gone, you know, what's my purpose? 671 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 3: Why am I here? 672 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: You know? 673 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 3: And I won't say too. I don't want to put 674 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 3: this out there like this, but why should I keep 675 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 3: on living? So many others have asked. You know, there 676 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 3: were children also that passed. They don't say that it 677 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 3: was a daycare in my building next to my building tower. 678 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 2: I was think it was in Tower. 679 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 3: Six or Trade six, and there was a daycare and 680 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 3: children died. 681 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: Also, you know, and you know, for you to stay surviving. 682 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,959 Speaker 3: Still, I never thought about it until maybe a couple 683 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: of years ago, and it really hit me. 684 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 2: It's like, this is a wake. 685 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 3: Up poll for me, for others, more for myself and 686 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 3: as you know, we're gonna start crying. 687 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 2: But twenty two years later, I'm still here. Yeah, you know, 688 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: twenty two years later, I'm still here. 689 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 3: And just to know, you know, a lot of people say, oh, 690 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 3: you must got a lot of money. 691 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 2: It's not the money. 692 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 3: I can sell, breathe, walk, think and talk and for 693 00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 3: a long time I wouldn't do that. 694 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: I can talk. I'm sorry, No, You're good for a 695 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 2: lord of time. 696 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 3: I didn't know my purpose of life. Where should I 697 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 3: go war? Where should I travel to? Or am I 698 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 3: able to travel? I'm able to just live in society. 699 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 3: To live in society, It's it's overwhelming at times, you know, 700 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 3: but like I said, you have to. 701 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 2: Have I have to have your face. Yeah, you know, 702 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 2: it's it's still it's still a lot. You know. I'm 703 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: grateful for my sad days, my happy days. 704 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 3: I weighed my sad days, you know, Like I said, 705 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 3: the closing get, the war anxiety I get. 706 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 707 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 4: I was like, it's like your body knows that's coming. 708 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 2: You're right, my you know, because I look at I 709 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 2: look at the trauma or what I've been through, what 710 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 2: I've been through or what I've been through. 711 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: You know, I'm still get the pains, you know, I 712 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 3: still have, you know, by having an operation on my knee, 713 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 3: you know, my shoulder, the weather gets bad, I can 714 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 3: tell you what to report, you know. 715 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 2: But it's it's it's really overwhelming at times. Yeah, you know, 716 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 2: by being a widow. That don't help. You know, that's 717 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 2: just so much, so much that we have to be grateful. 718 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: But I'm grateful for it. Yeah, I'm grateful. 719 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for God continue you for to continue my 720 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 3: life journey. 721 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 2: You know, so many of my friends from nine. 722 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 3: To eleven, Like I said, I lost spot people from 723 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 3: my company, but in building too, I lower three hundred 724 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 3: and fifty friends and coworkers. 725 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a lot, it's a lot. It's a lot. 726 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 2: You know. 727 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 4: Have you been able to find forgiveness or come to 728 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 4: terms with the individuals or group responsible for the attack. 729 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 2: I won't say fine forgiveness. 730 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 3: I mean you have to forgive you what you will 731 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 3: never forget, right, You'll never forget forgiving that you almost 732 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 3: stole my life. You took my you almost took my 733 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 3: life away, not for me, but from so many people. 734 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: I don't know if I've reached that point in forgiveness. 735 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 2: I mean I have to. 736 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot love God and hate someone. You 737 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 3: you know, you have to learn to forgive and forget 738 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 3: a lot of things. Forgiveness is a hard part for 739 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 3: me in my journey. I do forgive them. 740 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: I forgive them. 741 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 3: I don't know what they was thinking, where it was going, 742 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 3: what made them do this? You know, you in life, 743 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 3: you do have to forgive. You might not forget, but 744 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 3: you will forgive and and reading. You know, every day 745 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 3: there's something going on that you be like why. You know, 746 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: it's just an overwhelming It's overwhelming that stops. 747 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 2: Mustn't. 748 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: So what were your thoughts on the treatment of certain 749 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: religious groups in the aftermath of nine to eleven? Like, 750 00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 1: how did you feel about that? 751 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 2: You know what? After nine to eleven? I really didn't 752 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 2: really think about it. 753 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you was going through your all day, right, My. 754 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 3: Mind wasn't there to think about the religious groups. Well, 755 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 3: besides the people that done it, you know, some have 756 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 3: been lacking, as they say. But just to see what 757 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 3: I went through. It's on the History Channel. It's called 758 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 3: one hundred and two minutes That Changed America. And my 759 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 3: girlfriend called me she said, you're on TV. 760 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking about? 761 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 3: It's a still picture someone took me. The time was 762 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 3: nine twenty seven. You just see me in a day. 763 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 3: You see me with the neverlize in my mouth. And 764 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 3: just to know that I went through all of that. 765 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 3: You know, so many different religion groups. I don't know 766 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 3: who was in charge and made the decision to do 767 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 3: this to me, It's definitely evil, Yeah, you know the 768 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 3: way to put it. 769 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 2: It's definitely evil, you know, because why would one. 770 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 3: Person have or whoever to have people to follow them 771 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 3: to kill people, right, to kill people. I mean, you're 772 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 3: killing innocent people. The Pentagon, you know, Pat shank Bill, Pennsylvania. 773 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 3: You know, I have met them, man, the people from 774 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 3: the Pentagon, you know, the people that I work with, 775 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 3: the people that I meet every day or that I'm 776 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 3: in contact with. 777 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 2: You know. It's it's just like you. 778 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 3: You really, I can't understand everybody's religion. 779 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 2: Everybody don't, even though as far as I know, it's 780 00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 2: only one god. 781 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 3: You want to, you know, everybody praise to everybody different. 782 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 3: But to have someone to actually control your mind and 783 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 3: your thoughts and to be evil just takes me to 784 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 3: a different place. 785 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I feel you. It was definitely. 786 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: I was in ninth grade when this happened, so just 787 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: to be able to witness this, and I was in Tennessee, 788 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: but my family lives and live in New York and 789 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: that's where I'm originally from, so to be able to 790 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: see this as a child, it's just I didn't know 791 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: what was going on. Like it was the most scariest 792 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,919 Speaker 1: thing I ever seen, to this day. 793 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, right till this day, till this day, because it's 794 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 2: still I want to know. I'm going to say how 795 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 2: I feel. It's still is still not over. 796 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 3: It's still so much crime, destruction, hate, you know, uh, 797 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 3: you know people with mental illness. 798 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,439 Speaker 2: And then like I said, mental illness is very very 799 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 2: very hard to control if you don't have a strong mind. 800 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know if you, like. 801 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 3: I said, you don't want to go there is that 802 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 3: I can't teach you. Jesus, you know you it's you. 803 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 3: It's the mind. When they said mind over matter, I 804 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 3: won't say mind over matter, but it's something that you 805 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 3: really have to feel in your soul not to be 806 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 3: so hateful until still today, like you said, twenty two 807 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,959 Speaker 3: years like what was their purpose. Why, right, Why why 808 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 3: did they have to do this? Why did they have 809 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 3: to obey you know who you know something that been 810 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 3: lightin and well, why did they have to obey him? 811 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 3: What made you take planes and kill your own self? 812 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 813 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 2: What was the reward in that? There is no reward 814 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 2: but that. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's still unreal. 815 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 2: It's unreal. Every day it is unreal, you know. 816 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 3: And like I said, I know so many people that 817 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 3: are still dealing with this. 818 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 2: Thing and the day. 819 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 3: A lot of my firefighter friends, you know, a couple 820 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 3: of id died from Kansas, still having operations September eleventh 821 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 3: of last year. 822 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 2: One of my friends that was so happy to see him. 823 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 3: He had to learn how to walk again, had to 824 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 3: talk again, and he was an MS. 825 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 2: He was a fire I'm with the firefighters. 826 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 3: I'm with the you know, my colleagues, which are with 827 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 3: claud Docin. One of my girlfriends, she was under the 828 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 3: rubble for twenty seven hours. Wow, twenty seven hours, she 829 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 3: you know she I haven't spoke to her in a while, 830 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,280 Speaker 3: you know, But there are different people I do speak 831 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 3: to every day, you know, or every other day or 832 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 3: once a week. 833 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 2: We're still we're trying. 834 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,799 Speaker 3: To stay in contact with me, right, right, You're to 835 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 3: stay in contact with your other because it's not easy, 836 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 3: it's far from being No. 837 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 4: I can't, I can't even imagine. 838 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: But last, but not least, what do you think is 839 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: the most important lesson that society can learn from the 840 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: aftermath of nine to eleven. 841 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 3: To be diligent, to be aware to h. 842 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 2: No, I would say, no. Where you're traveling, know who's around. 843 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 3: You, know who has different feelings of life, Just to 844 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 3: and also to be aware, to be a I mean, 845 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 3: you can't be like I said, can't be afraid to 846 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 3: have your faith with your fear. But now your eyes 847 00:49:54,120 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 3: are more open to danger. Yeah, your eyes are more 848 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 3: open to the man standing next to you. 849 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 2: He could look calm, but you don't know. You know. 850 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 3: I was just talking to my cousin the other day, 851 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 3: just to throw this sin. And she used to wear 852 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 3: the head wraps. Yeah, and she's fair skin and a 853 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 3: lot of times they would pull her over, thinking go 854 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 3: back to your country, you would blow us up. 855 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 2: So it's just so much going on that you really 856 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 2: just have to be a way of life. I don't 857 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 2: know how I we'll support it. 858 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, well, I appreciate you sharing your story. 859 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,280 Speaker 1: I've been wanting to speak to a nine to eleven 860 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: survivor for a very long time, so I really appreciate 861 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: you coming onto the show today and just to get 862 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: people a glimpse of the things that you experienced, because 863 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,320 Speaker 1: it's one thing to see it, but it's a different 864 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: thing to experience. 865 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,439 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, all the way yes, and that will 866 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 3: be appreciate you and I'm glad I got it chance 867 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 3: to meet you, you know, see you face to face. 868 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 2: They just got to be grateful for life. 869 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,120 Speaker 3: But like I said, once again, I just want to 870 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 3: thank you for allowing me to tell me story for you, 871 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 3: and I'm glad that you okay. You know, like you said, 872 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 3: you was nine, you was in the ninth grade. So 873 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 3: just to see everything, to go through the trauma, to 874 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 3: be there, to not really know at your age, to 875 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 3: know after what's going on and how the world's been affected. 876 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: Right right, And to listeners. If you have any questions, 877 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,520 Speaker 1: comments and concerns, please make sure to email me at 878 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: hello at thephgpodcast dot com. And until next time, everyone. 879 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 2: Later later, be blessed, Thank you. 880 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,439 Speaker 1: The Professional Homegirl Podcast is a production of the Black 881 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network. 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