1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: The Michael Very Show. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: Is on the air, and it really looks like ancient 4 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: Rome here. 5 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 4: This is sort of the conquering Republican caesar who's going 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 4: into the coliseum and everyone's cheering, and he's got his 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 4: political gladiators with him. That that appearance isn't just about 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 4: him enjoying the applause. He's sending a message to the 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: Senate for sure, like not only are you entertained, but 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 4: these are my people and are you willing to fight? 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 4: Because here's who I have. 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 5: I also want to say a big, big thank you 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 5: President Donald Trump for being here tonight. 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 6: Hey, what do you gotta hear about the version of 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 6: the Donald Trump. 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: You? I'm proud. 17 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: I'm proud to be a great American champion. 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: I'm proud to be a Christian American champion. What don't say? 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 7: I think the whole point with these nominees, several of them, 20 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 7: is their unqualification. Is there affirmative disqualification? That's Trump's point 21 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 7: because what he wants to do with these nominees is 22 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 7: establish that the congressized States will not stand up to 23 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 7: him with anything if they will confirm Matt Gates. 24 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: They will do anything he wants. 25 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 5: Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be the name of a 26 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 5: chain of convenience stores in Florida, not a vetereral agency. 27 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 5: We need to abolish the ATF before they abolish our 28 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 5: Second Amendment rights. 29 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 8: What kind of power and influence you think our. 30 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 6: FK Junior would have, you know, Martha, I am outraged 31 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 6: because lives are at stake here. The head of Health 32 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 6: and Human Services touches programs that affect every single life 33 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 6: in our country. I've been focusing mainly on the public 34 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 6: health impacts you know. As you know, I'm a pediatrician. 35 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 6: I practiced pediatrics for more than thirty years, and there's 36 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 6: nothing that I've done for my patients that I know 37 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 6: has more positive impact then getting them vaccinated fully and 38 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 6: on time. 39 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: And to have someone. 40 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 6: Leading AHHS who is one of the biggest deniers of 41 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 6: vaccines in our country would undermine the confidence in that program, 42 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 6: and LIKELI, would cost lives. 43 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 9: And that year nineteen eighty nine, we saw an explosion 44 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 9: in chronic disease and American children the neurological disease is 45 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 9: suddenly exploded in nineteen nine, add EIGHTYHD sleep god disorders, 46 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 9: languish delays, ASD, autism, to REGI syndromatics, narcolepsy. These are 47 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 9: all things that I never heard of. Autism went from 48 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 9: one in ten thousand of my generation, according to the 49 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 9: CDC data, to one in every thirty four units today. 50 00:03:51,800 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: We would. 51 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 10: Declassify everything or nothing. It was a binary choice. What 52 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 10: would you choose? This will tell you a lot your choice. 53 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 10: This choice will tell you a lot about whether we 54 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 10: can fix the problems in this country. I've been asking 55 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 10: this question of people, and a number of Americans are 56 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 10: brainwashed into believing that we can't declassify anything. It's classified 57 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 10: for a reason to protect us. Really, how are you 58 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 10: protected by not knowing the details of the Kennedy assassination? 59 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 10: If for nothing else, it's a who shot Jr? You're 60 00:04:53,560 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 10: curious what really happened? You don't believe a bolt action 61 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 10: rifle from that distance and that goober pull the trig 62 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 10: trigger for all the damage that was done. There's no 63 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 10: way you do, or maybe you do. If you do, 64 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 10: wouldn't you. 65 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: Like to have the proof? 66 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 10: I mean, we had entire investigations done. Trump said that 67 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 10: they wouldn't let him declassified the first time. Why at 68 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 10: this point, sixty one years later, who could we possibly 69 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 10: be protecting. 70 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: When you are convinced. 71 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 10: That things that are declassified are declassified to protect you, 72 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 10: then you have bought the lie protect you from who? 73 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 10: What's Putin gonna find out? Putin already knows everything they've declassified. 74 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 10: You just don't know it because our media doesn't want 75 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 10: you to know it. You've got Joe Biden down at 76 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 10: the Amazon, wandering off into the Amazon after his speech. 77 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: I mean. 78 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 10: They've got him. They've got him looking like some guy 79 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 10: that's on a photo shoot to be on an old 80 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 10: man going to the Amazon magazine cover. Maybe put an 81 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 10: expensive watch on him, and he strides off when he's done, 82 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 10: well stride would be he shuffles off when he's done. 83 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 10: You think I believe that he authorized the Ukrainians to 84 00:06:53,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 10: use American supplied long range missiles after Putin has declared, Hey, 85 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 10: I know you guys are funding the Ukrainians in this war. 86 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 10: I know you're doing all. I know that we're really 87 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 10: fighting against you. I know that I know you got mercenaries. 88 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 10: Remember the guy who was trying to assassinate President Trump 89 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 10: at mar A Lago had his gun through the fence. 90 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 10: He was a mercenary and a recruiter of mercenaries for Ukraine. 91 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 10: This is all tied together. It's a real small world. 92 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 10: But Putin has said, all along, you folks, I'm gonna 93 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 10: let you Americans do that, and that's what you're gonna do. Okay, 94 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 10: we've had this kind of hot satellite wars we've played 95 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 10: for a while, but we're involved here. But if one 96 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 10: of your US supplied long range missiles is shot into Russia, 97 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 10: game over. That's what and Biden's people claiming it was 98 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 10: Biden authorize that this weekend. They want a war. Biden 99 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 10: doesn't want a war. They want a war. 100 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: When it comes to Bears, Briskets and Barry. 101 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 10: Letting it all hang out, going against the grain is 102 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 10: what we do on the Michael Berry Show. I want 103 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 10: to live in the world of complete and utter honest. 104 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 10: You know, it's supposed to be a terrible thing to 105 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 10: find out that a white person is a racist. 106 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: They don't like black people, But there are a lot 107 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: of black people that don't like white people. 108 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 10: Plenty of them are serving in government, plenty of or 109 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 10: university professors, Plenty of them are presidents of universities, nobody 110 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 10: should have. 111 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: Have to like other people. I want to make that clear. 112 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 10: You don't have to like me or anybody who looks 113 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 10: like me, or anybody who looks like anybody in my family. 114 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 10: You're not required to. That's dumb. What you can't do 115 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 10: is act on that basis unfairly. Unfairly, so nobody gets 116 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 10: mad at the head football coach that he doesn't pick 117 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 10: the fattest kit on the team, who also has the 118 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 10: slowest forty time to be the quarterback. Nobody's mad at 119 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 10: him for that. He gets to make that decision right, 120 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 10: because at the end of the day, we're going to 121 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 10: live with the consequences, win or lose. You better put 122 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 10: the best kid out there. Nobody is required to like 123 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 10: other people, but there has to be consistency. If a 124 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 10: black person is going to call for riots, notice how 125 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 10: many people won't say a word about it, because everybody 126 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 10: is afraid of being called a racist. Sometimes people will 127 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 10: tell me they'll send an email it's a chain of 128 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 10: where they got into an argument. Or they'll say, you know, 129 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 10: somebody at their workplace said Michael Berry's a racist, and 130 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 10: they'll say, no, he's not. His wife's from India and 131 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 10: his kids are from Africa, his wife is brown, his 132 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 10: kids are black. 133 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: And I say no, no, no, no, no no. 134 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 10: Do not defend me on the basis of the skin 135 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 10: color of my family members. 136 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm either a racist or I'm not. 137 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 10: As each person gets to decide, we each get to 138 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 10: pass judgment on other people. I either am or I'm not. 139 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 10: But the skin color of my family members is not 140 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 10: a get out of jail free cart because the minute 141 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 10: you buy into that nonsense, Oh, he can't be racist 142 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 10: his kids are black. Well what about the next guy 143 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 10: who says exactly what I say, but his kids are white? 144 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 10: Is he racist because he doesn't have black kids he 145 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 10: can use as a crutch. I don't need to have 146 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 10: family members to speak to what I feel and what 147 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 10: I say. And by the way, when people will say 148 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 10: makes me so mad the people in my office think 149 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 10: you're a racist. Why do you care because you're not? 150 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 10: What is a racist? What does it mean? I am 151 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 10: a pursuer of truth. There are some black people I 152 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 10: do not like because they rape and murder. 153 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: That's true as some white people. I don't like Hispanics. 154 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 10: I don't like Asians, fat people, midgets, homos, you name it. 155 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 10: But who I like and don't like, and why I 156 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 10: like and don't like them is of really no consequence. 157 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: It does not. 158 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 10: Matter the idea that it does. You know, you take 159 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 10: this to its logical extreme. These trends, these guys that 160 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 10: become women, have been all over podcasts and it's a 161 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 10: couple of years ago this was a really big story 162 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 10: and they said that any man who doesn't want to 163 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 10: date a man who dresses as a woman is a 164 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 10: monster and an evil person. And they wanted that to 165 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 10: be the next big thing. Right, you would have to 166 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 10: say I would date one of those people. And that 167 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 10: was their big issue, because you shouldn't be allowed to 168 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 10: decide what you like and don't like and what turns 169 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 10: you on and what doesn't. What they want is here 170 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 10: is the rule. You must like that, and if you 171 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 10: don't like that, then you're a bad person. Once we 172 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 10: can prove you're a bad person, it's very easy to do. 173 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 10: We put a mark on you, scarlet letter, a brand, 174 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 10: a star of David. Now we can keep you from 175 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 10: being elected to office, we can keep you from getting 176 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 10: a job. Anytime you do something, everybody will have to 177 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 10: take the other person's side. 178 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: See, this is what we do is call other ring people. 179 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 10: You make human beings into something other than a human being. 180 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: It's othering them. And that's what we've done with racism. 181 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 10: See what you do is you find some way to 182 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 10: say that someone is a racist, and once that is said, 183 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 10: you can't defend against it. And once you're a racist, 184 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 10: you've been othered. You don't have any rights. There is 185 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 10: no presumption of guilt of innocence. You're just a bad person. 186 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 10: See the only reason Daniel Penny would ever defend the 187 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 10: people on that subway is because Jordan Neely is black. 188 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: Because he hates black blacks. And let's roll. 189 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 10: Out the people who all day, every day scream that 190 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 10: everybody hates blacks. Al Sharpton, blm Into LACP, the same lawyers, 191 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 10: and that's what they do. They actually make a good 192 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 10: living doing that. I mean, imagine waking up in the 193 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 10: morning going all right, I gotta go find out who 194 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 10: I'm gonna call a racist today, and it pays well. 195 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 10: American society has decided we're going to have certain people 196 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 10: who are going to run around screaming racism and the media. 197 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 10: They're very useful to the media. They are the first 198 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 10: call for the media to make anytime anything's happened, anything happens. 199 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 10: But this is not how functioning societies work. This is 200 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 10: a cancer on our society. And I'm going to go 201 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 10: ahead and say it again. George Floyd was not choked out. 202 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 10: He said I can't breathe long before anyone was near him. 203 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 10: He couldn't breathe because he had ingested the fentanel that 204 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 10: he was taking when they came upon him as he 205 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 10: was committing the crime of passing counterfeit bills. Remember, there 206 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 10: was a call made that he was committing that felony, 207 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 10: and he was a felonye. 208 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: But who cares. 209 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 10: We just send that white police officer to prison and 210 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 10: we all feel better about ourselves because we don't be 211 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 10: called a racist. 212 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Southern Pride. 213 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: Southern Pride to Michael Berry Show. 214 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 10: As some of you know, I talk about my personal 215 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 10: life on the air. It's all I got to talk about, 216 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 10: and I share how I interact with the policies and 217 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 10: politics that we talk about, because at the end of 218 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 10: the day, these aren't academic discussions. 219 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: Right. 220 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 10: If the government takes over our health care, that's going 221 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 10: to affect you. And just because you're young and healthy 222 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 10: and haven't needed health care yet or recently. You don't 223 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 10: realize that, and you see it as some sort of 224 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,119 Speaker 10: arcane or ethereal existential discussion. 225 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: But that's not where it is for me. 226 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 10: I have a brother who died of the clot shot, 227 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 10: A perfectly able bodied law enforcement officer with over thirty 228 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 10: years who died of the clock shot. 229 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: January twenty, twenty twenty two. 230 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 10: My father is eighty four, and since he was twenty 231 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 10: years old and had to be discharged from the Coastguard 232 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 10: on his deathbed with a severe case of diabetes and 233 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 10: they didn't know how to treat it back then, they 234 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 10: sent him home to die, and he read and experimented. 235 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: And here we are. 236 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 10: He's eighty four and still alive, still battling diabetes by 237 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 10: the day. He is in constant contact with doctors, and 238 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 10: many of them have told me your dad knows more 239 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 10: about diabetes than diabetes doctors do, because in an era 240 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 10: before we had proper insulin, he was managing his blood 241 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 10: sugar that's unheard of. And he still has his vision 242 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 10: in all ten of his fingers and toes well. He's 243 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 10: a man of great self discipline and the willingness to 244 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 10: experiment on himself and get enough sleep and not drink, 245 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 10: and you know, do the things that are necessary. And then, 246 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 10: of course my mother, five years younger than him. My 247 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 10: father was supposed to go first, and my mother would 248 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 10: nurse him until the end of his life. And she 249 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 10: up and passes on us. And she ended up having 250 00:17:54,600 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 10: als that basically just eventually took over her body and 251 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 10: left her unable to breathe. 252 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: Her lungs just wouldn't function, and it was a horrible, 253 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: horrible way to go. 254 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 10: She died in hospice at our home. I have been 255 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 10: in and out of hospitals just with these things so 256 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 10: many times over the last few years that I have 257 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 10: come to learn a lot about the medical care system. 258 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 10: You know, I had a minor stroke on August first, 259 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 10: twenty sixteen. I you know, we've all had our medical issues. 260 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 10: I'm much better now about taking care of my health 261 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 10: and getting my checkups and all that. But the policy 262 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 10: issue of how we deliver healthcare in a marketplace of 263 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 10: people trying to heal you and provide wellness and prevent 264 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 10: all these things, it's gotten. 265 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: It's all messed. 266 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 10: Up, and I don't think people really even understand why 267 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 10: it's all messed up, and so today I would like 268 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 10: to step back from the news of the day and 269 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 10: address this. There is a fellow who has been highly 270 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 10: recommended when I bring these questions up, named Charles Silver. 271 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 10: He is the McDonald Endowed Chair of Civil Procedure at 272 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 10: the University of Texas at Austin School of Law. I 273 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 10: don't know if he was there when I was there 274 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 10: in the mid nineties. I don't know him, but his 275 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 10: work has been widely widely discussed, particularly his book Overcharged, 276 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 10: Why Americans pay too much for healthcare. 277 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: Professor Silver, welcome to the program. 278 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael, pleasure to be here. 279 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 10: I must first ask you if you were on faculty 280 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 10: from ninety three to ninety six when I was there. 281 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: I was. 282 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 11: I started teaching at Texas in nineteen eighty seven. 283 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 10: Oh well, okay, Well, I was a Lino Graulia acolyte 284 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 10: and I. 285 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: Was the first crop. There were two of us that were. 286 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 10: Sent to England to get an LLM degree, So I 287 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 10: was kind of checked out after my second year. Once 288 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 10: I had my offer, I was kind of checked out. 289 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 10: But I'm sorry that I never met you. I had 290 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 10: a wonderful experience at the University of Texas School of Law. 291 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 10: It's a great university law school, and I am the 292 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 10: better for it. So I think a lot of you 293 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 10: for being on factory there. It's a great institution. Let's 294 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 10: thank you. 295 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 11: I'm sorry I didn't get to meet you when you 296 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 11: were a student. 297 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 10: Indeed, the book overcharged why Americans pay too much for healthcare? 298 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 10: If somebody says, Michael, I'm going to come back and 299 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 10: listen on the podcast later, but give me the one 300 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 10: minute answer, and then let's get granular and dig into this, 301 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 10: what's the one minute answer as to why we pay 302 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 10: too much for healthcare? 303 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 11: The one minute answer, we rely far too heavily on 304 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 11: third party payment arrangements, which means insurance companies, Medicare, Medicaid, 305 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 11: Trycare Va, whatever they happen to be, instead of paying 306 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 11: for health care directly the same way we pay for 307 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 11: pretty much everything else, food, cars, housing, You know, we 308 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 11: we pay for the vast majority of things directly, meaning 309 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 11: we pay for them ourselves, and we don't have the 310 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 11: problem of excessive spending or inflation or costs, or hidden 311 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 11: bills or surprise bills or phony charges. All that works 312 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 11: really well. The one exception is the healthcare sector where 313 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 11: we rely very very extensively on third parties to pay 314 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 11: for things, and that just screws everything up. Thing is, 315 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 11: we have way too much governmental involvement in the healthcare sector. 316 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 11: There are lots and lots of regulations that make things 317 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 11: worse for consumers. By and large, the regulations have the 318 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 11: purpose of protecting the producers, not the consumers. So we 319 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 11: should do a lot less in that way. 320 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 10: You did that. You were technically finished at fifty eight seconds. 321 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 10: You added an addendum to the end that I will admit, 322 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 10: I will it is admissible in this case. But you 323 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 10: achieved the fifty eight seconds. I'm quite impressed that you 324 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 10: did that. So let's start drilling down on these things. 325 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 10: I've got a minute left in this segment, but I 326 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 10: have dedicated some time to talk about this because I 327 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 10: think a lot of people are frustrated, especially when they 328 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 10: start getting all these bills and they go to the 329 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 10: emergency room and the place is packed, and then they 330 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 10: can't get in to see a doctor, and then they wonder, 331 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 10: you know, why does something cost ten thousand dollars that 332 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 10: took twenty minutes. It just there's nothing else that requires this. 333 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 10: It all seems so frustrating to people, and I would 334 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 10: like to drill down and get into the actual reasons 335 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 10: why this works. Let me let me start by prefacing, 336 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 10: and we'll get to this in the next segment, because 337 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 10: I don't want to have to cut you off. I 338 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 10: want to first talk about what if we were to 339 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 10: do a zero based budget, we were to go back 340 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 10: to John Locke's state of nature, and let's start all 341 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 10: over and have a cash only health delivery system. Let's 342 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 10: do away with insurance, and let's talk about who the 343 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 10: winners and losers out of that would be. And more importantly, 344 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 10: if I'm a consumer of health services, because I don't 345 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 10: believe that healthcare is a right. If I'm a consumer 346 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 10: of health services, would this be better or worse for me? 347 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: So hang tight right there. Our guest is Professor Charles Silver. 348 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 10: I encourage you to read the book Overcharged, Why Americans 349 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 10: Pay Too Much for Healthcare? 350 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: Coming up? 351 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 10: This is the Michael Berry Show, Locked and loaded loaded. 352 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 10: Professor Charles Silver is our guest, and as promised at 353 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 10: the end, I giving him a moment to consider. Professor, 354 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 10: what if we go back the book is Overcharged Why 355 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 10: Americans Pay Too Much for healthcare. What if we did 356 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 10: away with all insurance and we went cash only, how 357 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 10: would that change things? 358 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 11: It would change a lot of things for the better, 359 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 11: but some things for the worse. So a lot of 360 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 11: things would be better, you know. We wouldn't have to 361 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 11: worry about things like prize medical bills where you don't 362 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 11: even know what something is going to cost when you 363 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 11: get the service delivered. There's actually a very large retail 364 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 11: health sector. So if you want to get Lasik eye surgery, 365 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 11: for example, you have to pay for that yourself because 366 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 11: it's not covered by insurance typically, But you know what, 367 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 11: it's actually very affordable. And the price for laser surgery. 368 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 11: Are you ready for this? The price has substantially declined 369 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 11: since Lasik was developed, and it's gotten much better too. 370 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: There are new forms of Lasik and all. 371 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 11: That has happened because there is no overlay of insurance. 372 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 11: Where in the healthcare sector, except in the private payment sector, 373 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 11: can one find prices. 374 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: That have declined. 375 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 11: No, there are no hospital services that I'm aware of 376 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 11: that cost less now than they used to. But in 377 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 11: the private sector where we purchase cosmetic surgery I mentioned lasik. 378 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 11: There's also the surgery center of Oklahoma, which takes operates 379 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 11: on a cash basis. But there are lots of services 380 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 11: that people can buy directly, and those things that part 381 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 11: of the market works incredibly well with. As I said, 382 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 11: we don't have surprise bills. Everybody knows what they're going 383 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 11: to pay before the service is delivered, and nobody gets 384 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 11: billed for more than the price. The prices are posted, 385 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 11: we don't have to have a you know, in the 386 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 11: hospital sector, we have this federal Transparity rule transparency rule 387 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 11: that hospitals routinely ignore that's supposed to require them to 388 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 11: post their prices. But in the retail sector, we don't 389 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 11: have that, and everybody posts their prices anyway. So a 390 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 11: lot of things would work better if we did that, 391 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 11: But the one thing that would work worse would be 392 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 11: emergencies where you're facing a risk of a catastrophic cost 393 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 11: that you know, people just can't afford. 394 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: To bear on their own. That's where insurance has a 395 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: role to play the cost. 396 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 10: Yeah, Professor, I have long advocated that we should. If 397 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 10: people would understand, for instance, I only have liability insurance 398 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 10: on my vehicles, and people say you have to No, No, 399 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 10: I pay cash for my vehicles. The only reason people 400 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 10: are over insured in most cases is because the person 401 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 10: holding the loan wants you to have insurance for more 402 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 10: than the value of what they're of what they've loaned 403 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 10: you money for in case the thing gets burned down 404 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 10: or trashed. They want their money once. You don't have 405 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 10: to do that. In my opinion, I'm a safe driver. 406 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 10: I've never met an insurance claim. In my opinion, it's 407 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 10: a bad business deal. So what I tell people to 408 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 10: do is get catastrophic health insurance so when it hits 409 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 10: fifteen thousand and up, it's good. And then pay cash 410 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 10: and you'll be shocked how many doctors will discount what 411 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 10: you get and they're happy to have the cash. I 412 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 10: go to a doctor named Mary Tally Boden for all 413 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 10: my upper respiratory stuff, and she's a cash only doctor, 414 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 10: which is you know a lot of people are going 415 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 10: to and you go in and you make your payment 416 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 10: and it's insanely cheap, and then there's no documentation. 417 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: Later there's no you know, insurance letter arrives. 418 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 10: Do we pay this? No, we wait to pay this. 419 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 10: She's happier, she doesn't have to have a bunch of 420 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 10: billing clerks. You literally pay the same way if you 421 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 10: bought yogurt there. I think this is the answer, Professor, Well. 422 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 11: I agree with you because I go to a doctor 423 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 11: who works on the same basis. So my doctor I 424 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 11: pay a monthly subscription fee too, But I can go 425 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 11: as many times as I want. You know, I don't 426 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 11: need to go all the time, fortunately, but if I 427 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 11: need to go, she usually can see me either that 428 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 11: day or the next day, and I get some tests 429 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 11: performed in house at no charge. And it's it's a 430 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 11: great working arrangement. Like you, I don't get it. I 431 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 11: don't worry about my insurance company, you know, not paying 432 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 11: for something. So I think I agree with you. The 433 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 11: cash payment is a very good approach for basic healthcare. 434 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 10: So let's have a little history lesson. Professor Charles Silver 435 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 10: is our guest. The book is called Overcharged, Why Americans 436 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 10: Paid Too Much for Healthcare. Let's go back to wherever 437 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 10: the starting point is you want it to be, nineteen 438 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 10: fifty or nineteen seventy. Where did it start going wrong? 439 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 10: Because we all know it's wrong. Now, where did it 440 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 10: start going wrong? 441 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: Oh, that's easy. 442 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 11: It started going wrong in the mid nineteen sixties when 443 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 11: Medicare and Medicaid came online. In my book, I show 444 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 11: how doctors and hospitals fees changed after Medicare and Medicaid 445 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 11: took effect in nineteen sixty five. And basically, both of 446 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 11: those statutes initially let doctors and hospitals charge whatever they 447 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 11: wanted for services, and so not surprisingly, they started raising 448 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 11: their rates. I mean, really, immediately after the enactment of 449 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 11: those programs we were beset with health care inflation that 450 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 11: exceeded the real growth rate of the GDP, and we 451 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 11: have been struggling with healthcare inflation ever since. 452 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 2: But everything about the arrangement is wrong. 453 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 11: I mean, who in their right minds let's people who 454 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 11: are selling things set their own prices without any market constraints. 455 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 11: I mean, that's a recipe for disaster, right, And then, 456 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 11: of course that couldn't last forever. So the government eventually 457 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 11: did get into the price setting business in Medicare and Medicaid. 458 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 11: But of course we all know that government price setting 459 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 11: is terrible. 460 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: It never works properly. 461 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 11: It's really hard to set good prices, to set prices accurately, 462 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 11: and moreover, the government really doesn't have the right set 463 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 11: of interests, you know, I want. It's not just the 464 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 11: price that matters to me. It's the convenience, Right, how 465 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 11: long do I have to wait to see my doctor? 466 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 11: Or how friendly is my doctor? How good is my doctor? 467 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 11: There are all these things. Different doctors should have different prices, 468 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 11: and markets can work all that stuff out, but governments 469 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 11: just are notoriously unable to do that, and so as 470 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 11: a result, we've had this terrible system. And because it's 471 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 11: so terrible, it's constantly in need of patching. I mean, 472 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 11: every time I turn around, there's a new bill, a 473 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 11: new proposal being put on the table for some kind 474 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 11: of regulation to fix a problem that only exists because 475 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 11: the government created it. 476 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: It's never going to be fixed. It's impossible to fix it. 477 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 11: We really need to just scrap these arrangements and go 478 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 11: back to a simple cash based system for fundamental care, 479 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 11: and then things will start. It will immediately be out 480 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 11: of the spending crisis. The prices will moderate because hospitals 481 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 11: and doctors and drug companies and all that will have 482 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 11: to deal with the realities of the limited budgets of consumers. 483 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 11: They'll also have to face competition. That's hugely important. You know, 484 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 11: one I mentioned the retail health sector. You know, one 485 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 11: of the reasons LASAC is cheap is because there are 486 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 11: a lot of laser providers and any ophthalmologists can enter 487 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 11: the field who wants to. So there's a lot of competition, 488 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 11: and competition is good for consumers. So we need to 489 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 11: get rid of these competition frustrating regulations. 490 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: Let's increase the supply. 491 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 11: Let you know, foreign doctors who can pass American exams 492 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 11: come in and treat people. We need to just open 493 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 11: the floodgates for providers because we have this artificially created shortage. 494 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 11: You know, that's one of the waves that doctors and 495 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 11: hospitals have increased their revenues. It's by preventing new entrants 496 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 11: from coming in and you know, out compete. 497 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: So we have to get rid. 498 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 11: Of all that stuff. 499 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 10: Professor Charles Silver at the University of Texas School of 500 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 10: All my alma mater, is our guest. 501 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: This book is overcharged. 502 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 10: Why Americans pay to dang much for healthcare? 503 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: I added the dang, but I think we all feel 504 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: it more. With Professor Silver coming up to