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Speaker 1: From house top works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly. Well. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: can imagine. I was a very imaginative child. I can

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Speaker 1: see that. And when Princess Diana died, I, like so

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Speaker 1: was also the byproduct of Princess Die's funeral that I,

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Speaker 1: you know, a certain certain young gent caught my eye

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Speaker 1: on television Chart No. And I swooned as much as

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Speaker 1: just let me get to this. And I swooned as

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Speaker 1: much as any I want to know how old I

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Speaker 1: was loving or twelve year old? Could Prince William, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you were alone in that, fellow, left handed

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Speaker 1: really hard. I mean I crushed so hard on him

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Speaker 1: and i'd i'd pretend that I didn't know who he

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Speaker 1: was because I was just swept away in my studies,

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Speaker 1: like any good lady should be not obsessed with princely things,

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Speaker 1: hopefully minus the death. Yeah, minus minus tragedy. Um. I

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Speaker 1: remember when you must have been very disappointed to get

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