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Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya d An iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: we are scrubbing in. We are songs Becca Tilly today,

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Speaker 1: but have no fear. Tanya, rad and Easton are here.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And Kelly Stafford is going to be joining

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Speaker 1: us today. She's going to be in the o R.

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Kelly Stafford?

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Speaker 2: I am. I've heard her name before, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know the context. So I know her name. I know Stafford, the.

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Speaker 1: Last name, right right, right right. I am the same way.

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Speaker 1: I also was familiar with the last name of Stafford

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Speaker 1: because you know I'm a football fan. Of course, yes, naturally,

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Speaker 1: But she is married to the quarterback of the Rams.

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Speaker 1: His name is Matthew Stafford. And she's also a fellow

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Speaker 1: podcast door all right. Yes, her podcast is called The

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Speaker 1: Morning After, and you know, I've been listening to her podcast.

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Speaker 1: She seems really really cute. I feel like she's going

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Speaker 1: to be like one of the girlies. I do have

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Speaker 1: a hickey on my neck.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, can you see it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm gonna I doubt she's gonna say anything, because,

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Speaker 1: like when you just meet somebody, you're not gonna be like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: is that a hickey on your neck?

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Speaker 3: She might though, but I'm curious if she fun.

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Speaker 1: That's where we are this morning, So is she a wag?

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Speaker 2: Does that count the remember the wives, wives and girlfriends, right.

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Speaker 1: Wives and girlfriends of athletes of athletes? Yeah, I guess Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's definitely a wag. I'm excited I have an athlete.

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Speaker 2: But before she comes in here, I do want to

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Speaker 2: know more about this hickey, just so we can get

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Speaker 2: out of their way. Intentionally, No, it.

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Speaker 1: Was an accident, but I didn't realize. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: how bad it was until I was facetiming with my

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Speaker 1: mom for Mother's Day and.

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Speaker 3: Did she say something? Yeah, because I was like looking.

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Speaker 1: Over, I like had of like Sunny was barking at TV,

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Speaker 1: so I like and my mom was like, what is

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Speaker 1: that on your neck? And I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: in my thirties and yet I bruise like a peach.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great sign, though, if you if

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Speaker 2: you're giving and receiving hickeys at any stage of life,

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Speaker 2: I think it's wonderful, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, thank you. I haven't had one in a very

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Speaker 1: very long time. Lunch, Yeah, I feel young again, I

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Speaker 1: feel youthful, basically back to my teenage years. So here

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Speaker 1: we are. I put makeup on it, though.

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Speaker 2: It's not like if you hadn't said anything, I probably

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Speaker 2: wouldn't wan to notice. Okay, now that I can't stop

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Speaker 2: looking ahead, and I'm sorry I can't look away.

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Speaker 1: I know, but you know we're here. We're proud of it.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So without further ado, should we

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Speaker 1: bring in Kelly Stafford in the O R.

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Speaker 3: How are you guys? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. I wanted to start off the

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Speaker 1: podcast by saying this because well, I'll explain why, but

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Speaker 1: I actually don't know anything about football. I only know

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Speaker 1: who you're husband is because of the notes that I

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Speaker 1: have been given. I don't know. I've heard the name obviously,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not really big into football. I know you

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to have you on our podcast because

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Speaker 1: of your podcast. The morning after I found it through

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Speaker 1: my friend Sophie Julia, and I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: because your name are brought up in our meeting and

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Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I want to have her because

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Speaker 1: I've seen about the podcast. So I just want you

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Speaker 1: to know that I know you as a fellow podcaster.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I really appreciate that because there are

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Speaker 4: and whenever someone comes up to me it's like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know anything about football.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I was like, no, I love that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that you know nothing about football because

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Speaker 4: that's like the last thing I want.

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Speaker 3: To talk about. Yeah, So I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: No. And I was listening to your like the couple

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Speaker 1: most recent episodes of your podcast, and that's why I

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention that to you, because the episode specifically

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Speaker 1: where you were talking about imposter syndrome and always feeling

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Speaker 1: like you're just Matthew Stafford's wife and like having that

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Speaker 1: as like your title and your platform and all all

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Speaker 1: deal with that tremendously as well, Imposter syndrome, and so

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Speaker 1: something that I really wanted to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: because again, like I don't know anything about football. I

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Speaker 1: obviously I know the name. I'm not like I don't

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Speaker 1: much that comes with that because I think, especially as women,

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Speaker 1: we do take that on like I don't deserve this

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Speaker 1: And so I think that it's a really relatable conversation

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Speaker 1: no matter who your person is. You know, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: I think that women just kind of have imposter syndrome

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Speaker 1: for many other, many various reasons. And so I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk to you kind of about that walk of

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Speaker 1: life because you you've been married for how long?

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Speaker 3: Ooh nine years?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but you've been dating for a long time, right.

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Speaker 3: A very long time. Started with like the whole on

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Speaker 3: and off situation in college.

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Speaker 4: But dated, Yeah, dated for many years, lived together for

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Speaker 4: many years before we actually got married. So for a

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Speaker 4: long time since I was I mean, I would say

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Speaker 4: I was known as his significant others since I was

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Speaker 4: like eighteen.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot to take on, yes,

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Speaker 1: And okay, So and for those listening, I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: know who he is, but he is the quarterback of

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Speaker 1: the Rams. He's really good.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Well, I won't call you out, but you didn't say

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Speaker 4: you knew much about football, so I appreciate you saying that.

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Speaker 3: I know that he's take it.

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Speaker 1: So my fiance is a big football fan. OK, So

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Speaker 1: I know a little bit, but I know that he's

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Speaker 1: very good.

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Speaker 1: And but I do I really appreciate just the fact

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Speaker 1: that you guys have been together for so long, you

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Speaker 1: have four beautiful kids, and there's something about commitment that

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Speaker 1: I just love, especially you know when it comes from

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Speaker 1: a man in the sports world, because you know that

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Speaker 1: that connotation, that kind of sure. Yeah, and so I

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Speaker 1: really I do it. I know I don't know him,

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Speaker 1: but I really admire him and that aspect of of

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Speaker 4: Yes, I will say, I mean is a He's a

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Speaker 4: good He's a very good man and has been that

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Speaker 4: I said, there was a little on and off at

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Speaker 1: That's kind we've all had that.

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Speaker 4: We've all been there and there's a little love hate.

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Speaker 4: But he is he is a very he's a great dad.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's just he's meant to play the role

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Speaker 4: he's in right now. And when you say imposter syndrome

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Speaker 4: like some he's so certain in his role as a father,

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Speaker 4: as a husband, as an NFL quarterback. Sometimes I'm like,

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Speaker 4: is that why I feel like I don't have a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so that's where kind of the imposter syndrome

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Speaker 4: I just never knew what it was like really put

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Speaker 1: Like, so you're eighteen, You're going into this relationship, and

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Speaker 1: I know you started your podcast in twenty twenty one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what was like those years before you started the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I feel the podcast really kind of gave you a voice,

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Speaker 1: you started the podcast. What were you doing in that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say when I was we were into

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Speaker 3: And I love how people were like, well, you could

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Speaker 4: But to be honest, we were in Detroit for seven months,

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Speaker 4: which I'm grateful for. But I really, during that time

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Speaker 4: Then we moved out to La and it's starting over

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Speaker 4: again because all of our charity work was in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: When you were in your charity role, like you wanted

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Speaker 1: to say, Once I moved to La, Okay, well, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry being somebody else for I. We else started

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Speaker 1: probably when I started dating my husband, because there was

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Speaker 1: a you know, oh, I never felt like pretty enough,

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Speaker 1: what I actually was. Is that a product of dating

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Speaker 1: that when you were dating him, girls were like.

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Speaker 4: I think you know what, I think it's a product

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Speaker 4: of just to be honest, I think it's more a

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Speaker 4: product of social media.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, my husband.

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Speaker 4: many football players in general, or like you know, I

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Speaker 4: would say most women don't know football as much.

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Speaker 3: As like men know football.

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Speaker 4: Now there would be eyes turned when there's guys going,

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Speaker 4: oh that's Matthew Stafford, than all the girls would turn then.

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Speaker 4: But to be honest, the most part, I think it

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Speaker 4: was a product of social media and people telling me

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Speaker 4: just total and people on the internet, strangers.

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Speaker 1: But it does, like, I really appreciate that you talk

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Speaker 1: because we all have that same you know, even if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you mentioned this about you know how you

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Speaker 4: But he's like the like he's so, I don't know

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Speaker 3: But this is his sixteenth year.

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Speaker 4: We've been doing this a long time and some at

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Speaker 1: So this is LA's kind of LA's is where you're landing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like such a creature of habit. So to

439
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Speaker 1: just pick up and move at the drop of a

440
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Speaker 1: dime seems very difficult. Are there other women that are

441
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Speaker 1: in your position in the NFL that have like come

442
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Speaker 1: to you for advice on that type of stuff?

443
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's tough because I'm we're lucky in

444
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 4: the fact that Matthew was in one place for twelve years,

445
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 4: and that's rare. I mean it's usually like a couple

446
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 4: of kicker or a quarterback or a long snapper. I mean,

447
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 4: positions that last a long time in one place.

448
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Speaker 3: But I try.

449
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Speaker 4: I don't think people come to me for advice on

450
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Speaker 4: that because I haven't moved that much, which I'm very

451
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Speaker 4: lucky for. But I will say whenever there's new people

452
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 4: coming in, you know, I try. Especially in Detroit, I

453
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 4: felt like I was like I'd been there so long,

454
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Speaker 4: I'd known everything. Detroit's kind of a scary place if

455
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Speaker 4: you don't know it right, And so when new girls

456
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 4: would come in, I immediately reach out and just be like, Okay, hey,

457
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 4: this is let's grab lunch's so they can kind of

458
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 4: figure out where to live, where to not live, stuff

459
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Speaker 4: for kids, things like that, because you do you show

460
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 4: up and they're kind of your husband or your singer

461
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 4: brother goes to work right and change for them.

462
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're like, the hell do I do all day?

463
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Speaker 1: Right?

464
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Speaker 3: Right? Where do I grocery stop?

465
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like the little things, but it

466
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 4: makes a huge difference, and you're kind of just dropped, like,

467
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Speaker 4: you know, you get traded. I My biggest fear, my

468
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 4: biggest like I feel so sad for, just like Wanta

469
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Speaker 4: Hug is the people that get traded in the middle

470
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Speaker 4: of season.

471
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Speaker 3: They have families.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so like what does that happen often.

473
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Speaker 4: I mean it happens, you know, when there's like a

474
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Speaker 4: trade deadline, But when if teams are pushing and are

475
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 4: doing well, they'll trade for people that can help them.

476
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Speaker 4: And usually, to be honest, it's veterans that they're trading

477
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Speaker 4: for it that have families, right, and so that you know,

478
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Speaker 4: kids are in school, Like how do you pull them

479
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Speaker 4: halfway and you have to find another school or do

480
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Speaker 4: you separate the family, which there's you know, I always

481
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Speaker 4: told Matthew, I can't let that happen because I need

482
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: him and his girls need him. Yeah, and so you know,

483
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 4: if we got traded, then we would have to drop

484
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Speaker 4: everything and go.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
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Speaker 4: Luckily I haven't had to deal with that quite yet.

487
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 4: LA was in the off season, so we had time

488
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Speaker 4: to figure everything out.

489
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Speaker 3: But I could not imagine.

490
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Speaker 4: And like, there's also women that have careers that are

491
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Speaker 4: dating or married to these men, right, and all of

492
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Speaker 4: a sudden they're having to move across country.

493
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Speaker 1: Right.

494
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Speaker 4: So it's something that people don't really note or realize.

495
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Speaker 4: Is like the tough part of one of the tough

496
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Speaker 4: parts of being a significant other of any professional athlete.

497
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Speaker 3: I can change.

498
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Speaker 1: I think about it way too often, especially considering that

499
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Speaker 1: I'm not really into sports, but I think about the

500
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: women in that role a lot, and I feel like,

501
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: especially I think this year, and I don't want to

502
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Speaker 1: like only credit Taylor Swift because she's dating Travis Kelcey,

503
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Speaker 1: but I feel like, with her name is escaping me

504
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers wife that did all the Kristen

505
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Speaker 1: Yes Yes, So with her, you know, creating all these

506
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Speaker 1: pieces and then getting that deal, and you know, just

507
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,239
Speaker 1: various different women that are rooted in the NFL and

508
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: just kind of becoming these powerhouses. And it's really really

509
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Speaker 1: cool because I think there's this there's this misconception that

510
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Speaker 1: when you're dating a man that has this big role

511
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Speaker 1: or an athlete, let's not even say an athlete, a

512
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Speaker 1: singer or an actor or somebody with a public eye,

513
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Speaker 1: that the woman has to be smaller. And I think

514
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Speaker 1: that we're starting to really see that narrative change, and

515
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Speaker 1: I think that that's really cool because also it's somebody

516
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: that to me, athletes just in general, men and women,

517
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Speaker 1: they are so dedicated and so disciplined and just to

518
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Speaker 1: do what they do, they have to be that way.

519
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Speaker 1: And so I'm like, how cool to have a partner

520
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: that has that same drive and passion that you have.

521
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Speaker 1: You know, they don't have to be smaller. They can

522
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Speaker 1: be your equal. And I feel like it wasn't like

523
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Speaker 1: that for a very long time. Like I feel like

524
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Speaker 1: the conception, the misconception was the woman has to be smaller.

525
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Speaker 4: I would absolutely agree with you, And it's like one

526
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: of it's actually one of the things I mentioned on

527
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Speaker 4: the podcast I had. But you know, everyone gets upset when,

528
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 4: or like seems like, gets upset when these women who

529
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: are seeking failures of these athletes or anyone in the

530
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Speaker 4: limelight really uses that platform to do something.

531
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Speaker 3: Right, right, right.

532
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Speaker 4: And I think that's why a lot of women just

533
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: sit back and they don't because the narrative behind it.

534
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Speaker 1: So interesting, and it's like you being like.

535
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Speaker 3: Oh, you were just given that right.

536
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Speaker 1: You only have that because that's your husband, And you know,

537
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Speaker 1: I like, look at all how many there are so

538
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Speaker 1: many women that are out there that are married to

539
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Speaker 1: athletes that aren't doing anything right.

540
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Speaker 4: And I and you know what, and I would say

541
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Speaker 4: to like, those women are probably doing things that we

542
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: don't know about. But I also think that some women

543
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 4: have this feeling of well, if I try to do something,

544
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Speaker 4: then I'm just using my husband or whatever in his

545
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: platform because I think they see when women do do it,

546
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: that's kind of what how they get torn down a

547
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: little bit, right, you know, I've been told so many

548
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: times just to shut up and sit down, and I'm like,

549
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 4: and I'm passionate.

550
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: Listen. I've made my mistakes, plenty of them, right, but.

551
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: I also am always if it is a real mistake,

552
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: I'm always the first one to apologize. And I also

553
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: just think like, yeah, I'm human, but also I deserve

554
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: to go after something I want to go after just

555
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 4: because my husband's here and I you know, it's funny.

556
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: My sister called me after the podcast and she was like,

557
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: you're telling me like I was given a job by

558
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: Uncle Johnny, but they kept me on.

559
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: Because I was a top salesperson.

560
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 4: Like you might be given certain things because of connections,

561
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: which I feel like that's that's how honestly, people do

562
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: get jobs.

563
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: You connected somehow.

564
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: Right, right, and then you have to work your ass

565
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Speaker 4: off to keep it right. And so I do feel

566
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: like that is she made a lot of sense to me.

567
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, You're right, because I

568
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 4: felt this guilt it's like horrible guilt that I was

569
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: kind of using my husband's fame to do a podcast

570
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 4: when really I was like, we rarely even talk about football.

571
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: But that's because the outside was making me feel like

572
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Speaker 4: I didn't deserve it.

573
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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy, though, that that the opinions of people

574
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: that you don't even know will stop you from doing

575
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Speaker 1: something that you're passionate about, or that you love, or

576
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: that you want to even try, that you wanted to explore,

577
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: and you're gonna not do it because of the fear

578
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: of the criticism or what people are going to say.

579
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Speaker 3: That's so sad, isn't it.

580
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: I know, and I do think that's that's part of

581
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 4: the world we're living in.

582
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: I know, but everybody always says, you know, quiet the noise,

583
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: don't listen to anybody, And I'm like, it's so much

584
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: easier said than done.

585
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, people are like, well, there's so

586
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 4: many positive comments, and I'm like, well, there's that, and

587
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 4: I will and it's now I feel like that's like

588
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: the world. Like humans these days, we just find the

589
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 4: negative and we sit on it, yeah, instead of all

590
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: the positives that came from it. And you know, I

591
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: was the podcast you were talking about. I absolutely love

592
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 4: doing is actually on a whim. We had some extra

593
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: studio time and I had it on my heart for

594
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: a long time, and I was like, I'm.

595
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Really scared to do to talk about it.

596
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 4: I think I left and my producer is actually sitting here.

597
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: I left, and I was like, ooh, I don't know

598
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: about that. I don't know ed edit this part out

599
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: and the whole thing, you know, And I was like,

600
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: I just don't even know if we should drop it.

601
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 4: And it came time and she really encouraged me. I

602
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 4: couldn't even.

603
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: Listen to it. I couldn't because.

604
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: I just I knew. I was like, I'm gonna start crying.

605
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start getting in my feelings, like I was

606
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: a hot mess that the whole podcast.

607
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure you're probably thinking people are going to

608
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: hear this and they're going to think that I'm ungrateful

609
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: and I'm this and I'm that. No, it's true.

610
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: Really, what I said to her, I was like, they're

611
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 4: gonna be like, oh, Kelly, she has a horrible lie.

612
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: I know I know, I know it. Yeah, I know it.

613
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: And I think the thing is we don't humanize people.

614
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: We just we just see what we want to see.

615
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: And it's so like, I think that there are some

616
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: people who who are the most well known and the

617
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: wealthiest people in this world and the entertainment industry that

618
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: really struggle with some serious demons. And I think it's

619
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: really sad that the public says, oh, you ungrateful, Oh

620
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: let me swim in your pool of money, and like

621
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: like that just solves everything. And it's like, at the

622
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: end of the day, like we all feel the same things,

623
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: and just because people struggle in different ways doesn't or

624
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: because some people might have more favor in their lives

625
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't take away any of the feeling and the pain

626
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: that's going on.

627
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: You can't change what you feel, right, and there's really

628
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: nothing that can help you change the way you feel

629
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: unless you make a change in a way, I believe,

630
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: whether that's to like focus on yourself more, you know,

631
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: realize what's kind of making this occur in your life

632
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: that you want to that you want to change. So

633
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: that's it's I don't know, it is it? Oh it

634
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: makes me so upset because I know I'm not the

635
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: only one feeling it, and I did I wanted to

636
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: get it off my chest. But that fear and there

637
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: were some you know, they they came to the page,

638
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: of course they did, and you know, said what they

639
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: needed to say.

640
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: And I know what I say to them, keep listening,

641
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for that download.

642
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: You know what, You're right, You're right. But yeah, it's

643
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: just been one of the it's it was amazing.

644
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, most of the feedback was incredible.

645
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: And I feel like, like you're saying, you know, the

646
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: podcast that we do, most of the listeners are women,

647
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: and it was Oh, I felt this way because my

648
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 4: siblings in high school were older than me and they

649
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: were really talented and this is this and I wasn't

650
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: And I was always their little sister or their little

651
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: brother whatever it is. So you you see that people

652
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: feel it in different ways totally, and it's not even

653
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: for it. For me, I struggled massively with imposter syndrome.

654
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: And it wasn't had nothing to do with who I

655
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: was dating or any of my family member. It was

656
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 4: somebody at work that literally made me feel so small,

657
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: like I like I didn't deserve the.

658
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: Chair that I was sitting in. That Uh, nobody just

659
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: comes to morning radio in Los Angeles. You have to

660
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: go to a small town, you know, sew your oats, uh,

661
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: make your miss from some of your oats. Probably not

662
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: the right term.

663
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: But I get what you're saying. I learn your mistakes, get.

664
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Your chop, chomp, sweat or whatever the heck, and then

665
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: you come back to LA And it just didn't happen

666
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: like that. For me. It just didn't happen like that.

667
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: That wasn't my route, that wasn't my story. But because

668
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: this was a man that was in such authority, I

669
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: took what he said to her, and so I for

670
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: years never felt like I deserved to be where I was.

671
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: And again, I think I held back a lot early

672
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: in my career because I was scared. I was scared

673
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: to say anything. I was scared to say too much

674
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: because I was told to only speak a certain amount.

675
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: And it like, honestly, that was over a decade ago,

676
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like just coming on the other side of

677
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: it now.

678
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh well, gosh, I'm so happy that there's the other side.

679
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, there is another side. But it was

680
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: crazy because I would get calls E asked me to

681
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: do some red carpet stuff, and I'm fine, but I

682
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: was like me, like I don't deserve that, Like I'm

683
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: not that I don't know what I'm doing. Like it

684
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: was still then, even after I was doing some TV stuff,

685
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: I still felt like I had it in me. And

686
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: so it's like it really takes a long time to

687
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: come on the other side of that.

688
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: Because it goes deep.

689
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: And I think, like I said, it happened to me

690
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: with just somebody in my work world. So it's like,

691
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: I think it impacts way more women than we even

692
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: like think and realize.

693
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: I I think if anyone's like listening to this and

694
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: they are a boss of any sort, that making an

695
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: employee feels won't making anyone small to me just is

696
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: because you want to feel big.

697
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think you know what it's so it

698
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: is so that because I think where I lacked understanding

699
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: because I was in my twenties. So I just took

700
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: it as this guy's a bully, he's mean, he's spiteful.

701
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: But I now that I look at it from his perspective,

702
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like, sometimes men need to feel like they're

703
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: responsible for your success or they yeah, like they're responsible

704
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: for yours. It's an ego thing, and I just wasn't

705
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: stroking that ego and so and I refuse to. And

706
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: so I think, like I can kind of see it

707
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: from his perspective now, like why he did what he did.

708
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just crazy.

709
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: It's just tough, you know, And I do feel like

710
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: it's crazy. Well, I guess nevermind, I can't tell that story.

711
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: But Matthew's sister, I'll just say this. Matthew's sister texted

712
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: me after that podcast. And she's been his sister her

713
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: entire life, or yeah, her entire life, right, And I

714
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: couldn't imagine, Like she still lives in Dallas, where they

715
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: are from, and she has her own life, she has kids, everything,

716
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: but they're still a side of her that's like, I'm

717
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: just Matthew Stafford's sister, right, which breaks my heart because

718
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: at least I got somewhat of a childhood a feeling

719
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: like myself, you know, And.

720
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: So I do. I like it sucks. It sucks that.

721
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: It's here, and it's Imposterism is a real thing, and

722
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: I really do think social media plays a huge role

723
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: in it. And so when I like, at the end

724
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: hopefully of this or whatever, my I always say, like

725
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: encouraged to reach out and just positively on anyone else's

726
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: pages and like just that they deserve what they have

727
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: and they you know, they work hard for what they have.

728
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: It's you know, yes, I and I said this.

729
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: I was that podcast became something that people knew because

730
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: of my husband. But I've been doing it now for

731
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 4: a while and people have stayed on not because of

732
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: my husband, right, So I genuinely love it. I'm so

733
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: glad I found it. It's like a sense of community

734
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: of like positive women that are just trying to get

735
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: through the day to day. Yeah, in this world. So yeah,

736
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: it's I don't know, it's it's saved me in a way.

737
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: That podcast kind of saved me.

738
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: So it's called The Morning After? Did you start it

739
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: to be the morning after football games? So it was

740
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: geared towards like football narrative in the beginning, Yeah, like

741
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: we would do a five would you just talk about

742
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: like the game, and like I do like a five

743
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: to no, no, no, because I don't listen.

744
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: I've watched my husband play for for a while.

745
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 4: I grew up in a football family, like my brother

746
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: played in the league and is now a coach for Jacksonville.

747
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: So there is a lot of football in my life,

748
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: but I don't know football that well, so absolutely not. Also,

749
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 4: you realize you don't really want to discuss the football

750
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: to a public audience, you know, because you're messing with

751
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: the team a little bit. So it was like a

752
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: fun little five to tent maybe maybe two minute recap

753
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: of like getting the girls of the game, like what

754
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: the game experience was, like yeah, great, And then and

755
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 4: then it would kind of move into like either I

756
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: had a bunch of friends on at the beginning just

757
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: to have some fun also stay connected with the friends

758
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: that I don't see anymore. And then it started to

759
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: turning something different, just more honestly parenting and the chaos

760
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: at parenting is now the pressures to be the perfect

761
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: parent and kind of sharing my failures. So that maybe

762
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: because I as a parent myself, when I see these

763
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: kids potty trained at two years old or walking at

764
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 4: four months, I'm like, that wasn't me and that wasn't

765
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: close to my kids. And I feel like, you know,

766
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: you every people see these and they put pressure on

767
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: themselves and they put pressure on their kids, right, So

768
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: to like kind of put some realness back into everything,

769
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: that's that's honestly the reason I started.

770
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: And kind of kept it going.

771
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: There is a good community now that I generally we

772
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: have a really good time.

773
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: But also I know.

774
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: I'm hoping they take like either some laughter or just

775
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: like a sense of being like, you know what I

776
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: got through the day. My kids are alive, They smiled,

777
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: They might have cried, but you know what, they're in

778
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 4: bed and we'll start again tomorrow. So that's literally kind

779
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: of what the feel is. And that morphed over the

780
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: last and morphed over the last three years.

781
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, about three years now, from the morning after football

782
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: games to now something more completely differ. So and you

783
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: said you mentioned it's like a you're rebranding.

784
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, we rebranded just like logo. But I brought on

785
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: a co host. He's actually from Michigan. His name's Hank

786
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: and he has a daughter that he adopted with his

787
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: part his ex partner.

788
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

789
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so a lot of a lot of there

790
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: a lot there.

791
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, and he's great, but brought him on

792
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: and it's more like the morning after life. Yeah, I

793
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: should be parent today the morning after your kids home

794
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: sick from school, like the and it's not it's just

795
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: like the feeling of that like we talk about anything

796
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: and everything, but it's more so geared towards I would say,

797
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: parenting and in today's world because you get all this

798
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: information too. The Internet's great. Internet's great, but too much information,

799
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: especially when raising kids can be horrible. Yeah, because it's

800
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: like you you're like, oh, that didn't work, let's try

801
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 4: this when really like potty chaining. I tried changing potty

802
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 4: chaining my twins when they were like two maybe two?

803
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, two? Is that that can work? That can work

804
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: for some, but and you know, you read all these things.

805
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: You order a doll that sits on a toilet next

806
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: to them, and you're putting because you're like, oh, they

807
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: should be pottychain.

808
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: Let's potty chain. No, it's not how it works. They

809
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: didn't poty chain.

810
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 4: So they were like four and a half because I

811
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: tried to force them so early.

812
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: So you were pottychain for two and a half years.

813
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: So I stopped.

814
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: Oh I tried for like six months, dumb, don't even

815
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: try that long.

816
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: They will let you know when they're ready.

817
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: Really, like, there's these pressures and the all this info

818
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 4: out there that you're getting, I mean, the whole breast

819
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 4: feeding formula, all this stuff that you're getting so much

820
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: info that you are trying to do anything and everything

821
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 4: when really I feel like sometimes it's smart to just

822
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 4: like sit back and let the kid tell you kind

823
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: of this is what I need.

824
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: I actually fear that so much because I am a perfectionist,

825
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: like very much.

826
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: So you said you're a creature habit, a creature.

827
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Habit, and so I am like, I am not pregnant.

828
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: We're not.

829
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna get married first, and then congratulations, thank you

830
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: so much, so exciting, but I'm already wanting to read

831
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: the like what to Expect when You're expecting, and like

832
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: all these books to like learn how to do it right,

833
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: and I and everybody says there is no right or wrong,

834
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but I need someone to tell me

835
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: how to do it right.

836
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: I think you know what and I think you can

837
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: read those and I think that's great, but just like

838
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: taking you know, the bits that are important to you,

839
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 4: because not everything is going to work for the baby

840
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: you have.

841
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: All kids are different.

842
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: I have four, I have identical twins, totally different, like

843
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 4: and what are the age bands?

844
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: I think I have it here six to three, yes,

845
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: and my twins just.

846
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: Turned seven and then those two have summer birthdays, so

847
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: it'll be seven. She's almost six and the other one's

848
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: almost four.

849
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: Do they have cell phones yet?

850
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: No?

851
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Is that in the near future?

852
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 3: No?

853
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: No, not at all. No, So they don't ask for

854
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: social media no, okay.

855
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: And you know what, it's tough because I always told

856
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: myself when they knew what Instagram was, I would get

857
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: off of Instagram.

858
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: Oh really, that was your rule?

859
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, set up I stuff just before I had a podcast, though,

860
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: because now I feel like that's part of the business

861
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: in a way.

862
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny. Again.

863
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: Kira's in here, my producer, but we've talked multiple times

864
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: about me deleting my Instagram or moving the podcast over

865
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: to my personal and just getting rid of my personal

866
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: and she's just everyone tells me, I just don't know

867
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: if that's the right move. If you're really wanting to

868
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: do this, which I am. It gives me so much joy.

869
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Because you set that priced. No feel No. I did

870
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: the exact same thing when I was nineteen. I said

871
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: I am never moving in with a guy until I

872
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: am engaged. Cut to I'm in my thirties and I

873
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: know I'm with the guy that I'm going to marry,

874
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: like I know, I'm basically living there. We have a

875
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: dog together, like I'm there. But until we got engaged,

876
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: I did not give my lease up. So I was

877
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: just burning money every single month because I made this

878
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: whack packed with myself when I was nineteen, and I

879
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, Like I literally couldn't fully move out

880
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: until I was engaged. I tried to do it one

881
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: time and I got so emotional and I was like

882
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: crying about it, and I was like, I feel like

883
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm letting my younger self down, and I'm like, we

884
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: do this to ourselves that why do we say I'm

885
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: going to do this when X y Z do you think?

886
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 4: Like as I'm wondering if we're in your case, I

887
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: did it like were you raised in a way of

888
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: that was kind of like the situation where your parents

889
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: are like, listen, let's make sure you know, let's do

890
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: it properly.

891
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: My mom was very much like a modern woman, like

892
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: she was like, you do not rely on a man.

893
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: You always make your own money, you always have your

894
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: own life, you have your independence, And so I think

895
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of it came from that.

896
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: Oh that's funny, you know because I was nineteen when

897
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: I moved to Michigan. No ring dumb yeah, wow, right

898
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: out right. But and I loved him so much. But

899
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: nineteen and I went to nursing school in Michigan. Yeah,

900
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: and my dad, I'm from the South. We are very

901
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: you know, do things the right way. Oh, I'll never

902
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 4: forget my dad. He's like, well, I'm not paying for anything,

903
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 4: so and you know, I'm in college. I'm like, okay, Like,

904
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 4: well you're eating like mac and cheese and like yeah,

905
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 4: robbery sons, you know. But he and actually in Georgia.

906
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: Long story short, I was on scholarship. But he's like,

907
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: I'm not paying for you to go to school somewhere

908
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 4: else because you have a free tuition here, right, And

909
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: I was like.

910
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: I don't need you to pay because I had Matthew.

911
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: And my Matthew was like I'll do it right. Ooh

912
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: that did not That did not go over well with

913
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: your dad.

914
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was just like, you know, he couldn't do

915
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 4: anything about me leaving, right, But he was very upset.

916
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 3: It's just the way I was raised.

917
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: And I felt this sense of like, and I'm also

918
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: the youngest child, so I feel like.

919
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: It's me too.

920
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: It's like one of those things like I watched my

921
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: sister and brother do it the way that my parents

922
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 4: wanted it done.

923
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm good, I'm gonna

924
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: do it differently.

925
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and thank god it worked out, because couldn't imagine

926
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: if it didn't.

927
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

928
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: I'd probably still be in Michigan in a hospital, work

929
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: in and that's great, all good, but away from my

930
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: family and not with a husband or kid.

931
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 3: So that wouldn't have worked out as well.

932
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, well, I mean we can't really

933
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: say what would have happened, but yeah, it is interesting that, like,

934
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: so if the role if if I were in your

935
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: situation at nineteen, I couldn't. I would never have let

936
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: my boyfriend do that for me because I was I

937
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: would never want a man to be paying or like

938
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: feeling like I owed him anything but put it into

939
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: but it would have been to my detriment.

940
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: Well yeah, maybe I don't know though, but.

941
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: It's so it's like so interesting because we set these

942
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: really hard lines for ourselves, and I think it does

943
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: like life happens, and sometimes you end up in situations

944
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: that you didn't expect and so you try and handle

945
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: them with these preconceived notions that you had and just

946
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: not the reality. And that's been something that's been like

947
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: really hard for me to adjust to. But I have

948
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: been over the past couple of years. But I've been

949
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: so rigid for like over a decade, and I'm like

950
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: trying to kind of like let all that go.

951
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: So, how much money did you blow with your second

952
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: apartment that you were you I could.

953
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: Have probably go for my wedding, to be honest, because like,

954
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I think about we tried

955
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: to live when we got our dog is basic when

956
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: I moved in, because we were trying to like a

957
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: cavapoom Oh okay, yeah, she's just like but we tried

958
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: to splitter between my my place and then just got

959
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: to be too annoying and he's backyard and so we're like, okay,

960
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: let's just like leave Sonny here. And then I basically

961
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: moved in, like I had all my stuff there except

962
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: for like my kitchen and all my furniture was at

963
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: my apartment for probably two years.

964
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, two years. Two years.

965
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say like two months, No, no, no,

966
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: two years. Oh wow, okay, yeah, you know what, maybe

967
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: later a year, I was like, okay, I'm gonna do this.

968
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Come January, I'm going to move in. I know we're

969
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: getting engaged. I knew we were going to get engaged.

970
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: There was some uh there was some family there was

971
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: like uh illnesses in the family that we wanted to

972
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: wait to get engaged till everything was clear and everybody

973
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, so I knew it was coming.

974
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

975
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: So I'm like, we're on the same page. I know

976
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: it's coming. And so then I was like, I'm gonna

977
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: cut my leaves. I'm going to do it, and then

978
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. I was like in the

979
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: fetal position, like so upset that I was like letting

980
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: my younger self down.

981
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: I think maybe an in between my younger self and

982
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: your younger self, you know where I just went for

983
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: it and you didn't.

984
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: So I stuck my heels in. Yeah, you would have

985
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: been like the perfect for something.

986
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

987
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I you know, I was out and it

988
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: didn't take much. But again, looking back, dumb, yeah, dumb.

989
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: I know, like if my little girls came out to

990
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: me and they're like at nineteen years old, still in

991
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 4: college and said, hey, I met a boy, but he's

992
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: moving to Michigan, so I'm moving to Michigan.

993
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, right, you are right, love you,

994
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: but what are you going to do? What if they

995
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: say he's going to pay for my school and I'm

996
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: going to be to.

997
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: Break my heart, But I'm gonna have to be like, Okay,

998
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: hopefully I like him or right.

999
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: Whatever, hopefully I like him and and we'll just go

1000
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 3: from there.

1001
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1002
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: No, I don't know. I can't say anything because I

1003
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: did it right, right right.

1004
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: Just like getting a tattoo, I'm like, I'm not going

1005
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 4: to get a tattoo until. If I want a tattoo,

1006
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: i'll get after my kids are grown, because then I'm like.

1007
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: Nope, can't get a tatt Did you get a tattoo?

1008
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: No, I don't have one yet. Okay, wait until they

1009
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: are grown.

1010
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're still on that, you're still on night, Okay, Okay,

1011
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: it's kind.

1012
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: Of fun, but I'm not arts.

1013
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 4: I'm like you, I'm gonna let them create the tattoo

1014
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: when they're older, since they're so artsy.

1015
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's a real idea. Yeah, that's a really good idea.

1016
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: It I think, I don't know, I've always wanted one

1017
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 3: but have held off.

1018
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Where do you see the future of your podcast? I

1019
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: know you did a couple live shows.

1020
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was fun. You know, I want to grow it.

1021
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: That's what kind of the rebrands for.

1022
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: Grow it.

1023
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: And then, to be honest, the live shows I genuinely enjoy.

1024
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: I'm more of a in person kind of person.

1025
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: Which is actually bringing my old self back out, which

1026
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: I do love. And I also feel like the live

1027
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: shows people are not there for my husband, right, so

1028
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: that's kind of a really good feeling. But I would say, like,

1029
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: grow it. Do a bunch of live shows, and I mean,

1030
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: I know my co host is like, I want to

1031
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: be live with Hank and Kelly. I was like, okay,

1032
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: I think that's that's getting there. That's really getting there.

1033
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: But I love you, so I don't know, you know,

1034
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: grow it. It was honestly at this point was grower

1035
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: die in a way. And I told Kiera that was like,

1036
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 4: I want to bring Hank on. I just want to

1037
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: try to grow it and we're going to put everything

1038
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 4: into it and if it grows, great and if it doesn't,

1039
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 4: I had a great time.

1040
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, what about you guys.

1041
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, we've done this for I want to

1042
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: say seven years now. Yeah, we've had scrubbing in for

1043
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: seven years. It's wild. Yeah, it's pretty wild. And like

1044
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: it's interesting because we had this crazy trajectory because we

1045
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: started it when there weren't really that Now there's so

1046
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: many podcasts, but there really weren't that many when we

1047
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: started it. And we like got nominated for People's Choice

1048
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: Award Podcast of the Year or Pop Podcast of the

1049
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: Year against Oprah and we won, and then we were

1050
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: nominated again the next year and we won and it

1051
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: was just like this crazy ride that we were on

1052
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: and like now, like Beck and I were like talking,

1053
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: We're like did we like did we peak? And now

1054
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: like where are we or what do we do? And

1055
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: it's weird because you go through these like life changes.

1056
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: You know, when we started the podcast, we were both

1057
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: single and dating. Becca was on the Bachelor. Now she's

1058
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: in a six year relationship with a woman, and I'm

1059
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: engaged to be married, you know. So it's like we've

1060
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like done so much life and I

1061
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: think we hit this lull where we're like is this it?

1062
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: But I think we kind of had this resurgence of

1063
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: like no, like this is it. It was a perspective shift.

1064
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: It was like love that is this it?

1065
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: No?

1066
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: This is it? Is it?

1067
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: And it's like the two of us and we just

1068
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: honestly want to do it forever, Like it's about our

1069
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: friendship and our life and we just want to do

1070
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: it forever.

1071
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think too, y'all are going to have you

1072
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 4: at least you're gonna have a lot of life changes

1073
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: coming up to And that's just to be honest, people

1074
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: want to hear and like the realness of it and

1075
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 4: going through it all and with her. So she was

1076
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 4: on the Bachelor, yes, and now is in a relationship

1077
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: with a woman for how many years?

1078
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 5: Six?

1079
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: Six years?

1080
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1081
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: Is there any wedding bells coming there soon? Or we

1082
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: don't know.

1083
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: She talked about it. They're both pretty they're like open.

1084
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: To it, yeah, but not like pretty settled.

1085
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're just you know, yeah, they're happy. But

1086
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm the one that's like, because I forgot engage is

1087
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: like I want all my friends to be engaged. Is

1088
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: the best feeling ever?

1089
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 3: Engaged is the best feeling ever? Yeah, live it up

1090
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: because you're married and then you're like, wait, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you guys have a big wedding?

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Speaker 3: You know, we did. We had. It was in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: We have a large group of friends from high school

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Speaker 4: and college that all are like meshed.

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Speaker 3: So it was it was big. I did it again.

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Speaker 3: I'd probably do.

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Speaker 1: How many people?

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Speaker 3: They were like, I want to save four.

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Speaker 4: Hundred, you know, and then Matthew like the team members

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Speaker 4: and coaches and.

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Speaker 1: Right, but you have to buy everybody, right, did you

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Speaker 1: have to? Did you guys invite everybody? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and my dad, my sweet sweet dad.

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Speaker 4: I love him so much. I was like, I am

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Speaker 4: paying for this wedding, and I was like, I love

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Speaker 4: you so much, think like thank you. That is because

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Speaker 4: we're again we're very traditional in that way, and so

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Speaker 4: you know, the the guest list started getting a little high,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, He's like, wait, well what

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Speaker 4: about all my friends to my friends?

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Speaker 3: What about this person that I go, Dad, I don't

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Speaker 3: need it.

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Speaker 4: I've never even met those people, right, and I'm throwing

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Speaker 4: the wedding.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, there it is there, it is Dad.

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Speaker 4: He's I was like, you are, yes, you are throwing

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Speaker 4: the wedding, and I will allow you to write whoever

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Speaker 4: you would like, whoever you would like, but that gets

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Speaker 4: more expensive, right, and so you know, it was kind

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Speaker 4: of like one of those things. And I'm so blessed

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Speaker 4: in the fact that my dad is like that, he'll

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Speaker 4: never let Matthew pay for anything, which again, my dad

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Speaker 4: works hard. He still is working, and I love that, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: has owned his own business for a long time, but

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Speaker 4: still working and just wanting to make sure all of

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Speaker 4: his kids are okay if something happened, and all the things.

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Speaker 3: So no, our wedding was.

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Speaker 4: Our wedding was big, and it was a lot of

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Speaker 4: are you getting married here?

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Speaker 1: So I'm having a really hard time figuring out when

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Speaker 1: and where. Okay, I've been engaged for eight months, oh man,

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Speaker 1: and I still have no date or venue.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, engagement is kind of the funnest part.

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Speaker 1: So it was, and we gave ourselves, like I think

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Speaker 1: we gave ourselves the first three to four months to

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Speaker 1: just not even We didn't even think about it, and

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Speaker 1: we just enjoyed it and partied. And then I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start thinking about it. But I've gone from like

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do a small wedding in Italy and

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Speaker 1: then that changed to a big one in LA, and

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Speaker 1: now I have pivoted to Cabo medium size and Cabos.

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Speaker 4: I mean, destination was pretty awesome. I didn't do that,

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Speaker 4: and I kind of wish I did.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I want that destination feel, and so that's

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Speaker 1: why I kind of went away. LA was going to

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Speaker 1: be the easiest choice, sure, and that's what I want

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Speaker 1: in my life right now, just like ease. But then

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Speaker 1: I was like stressing about the weather and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you can't predict the weather here. It's like cold and

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Speaker 1: rainy and.

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Speaker 4: Which like I thought I moved to California because it

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Speaker 4: was sunny all the time. No, 'tis not, and I

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Speaker 4: thought that's what all the taxes were for.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not. But it might bounce by your tax

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Speaker 1: I think it might bounce back eventually. But like this

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Speaker 1: year was so unpredictable that I was like, I just

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Speaker 1: can't risk this. I can't. And then I don't want

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Speaker 1: to get married next summer. Yeah, so now I'm in

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Speaker 1: Cobboaks learn cobbo I love that. Yeah, they are so expensed.

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Speaker 4: You realize it's and it's it's but you should do

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Speaker 4: it right that you want to do it. You need

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Speaker 4: to do it because you only, well hopefully get married

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Speaker 4: one time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm doing it once and so I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do it up and I'm not going to have

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Speaker 1: any like guilt about it. I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 1: But because it is so expensive, I'm like it needs

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Speaker 1: and I'm my perfectionism. I'm like it needs to be perfect.

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Speaker 3: So do you have a planner or no?

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Speaker 1: I have a plane.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's gonna be a lot.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, thank god for her, Marjorie ye Yes, yes, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good. I really appreciate you coming on and scrubbing in. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Check out Kelly's podcast. It is called The Morning After.

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Speaker 1: You can get it wherever you get your podcasts. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything else that you want to share where people

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Speaker 1: can follow you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have The Morning After Kelly and Hank is

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Speaker 4: our podcast Instagram and I am kV Stafford eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Thank you really appreciate it.