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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to turn around. It was like, actually,
Speaker 5: that's a good idea. I'm gonna turn back around with
Speaker 5: you know what.
Speaker 2: I was watching the Giants miss the field goal.
Speaker 6: That was a bad one. I was watching it watching
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Speaker 2: Kind of thinking that he really missed that. Yeah, but
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Speaker 6: So yeah, life could be worse, could be worse.
Speaker 4: Thanks for that positive note, man, I'm over here that
Speaker 4: we'll find maybe one or two others throughout the context
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Speaker 3: It was a rough one yesterday for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: There make no mistake about it that that was maybe
Speaker 4: the worst loss of the season. That's saying a lot
Speaker 4: because that New Orleans game was pretty bad. But yesterday
Speaker 4: it looked like Dallas just couldn't figure out what they
Speaker 4: were doing and couldn't get on on a roll on
Speaker 4: either side of the ball. But let's talk about it.
Speaker 4: Cowboys lose forty seven to nine to the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4: To start at the story of the game. Let's go
Speaker 4: around the table, Nick, what what for you was a
Speaker 4: story of this game?
Speaker 6: Physicality, toughness.
Speaker 5: I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but
Speaker 5: I think all of those issues really compounded in this game.
Speaker 5: You go up against a really physical, a really tough
Speaker 5: team in Detroit, and you add add in a little
Speaker 5: sprinkle of engines that they were looking to enact from
Speaker 5: that loss last December, and what happened. A thirty eight
Speaker 5: point loss, the worst loss in the history of AT
Speaker 5: and T Stadium, the worst loss, and Jerry Jones ownership
Speaker 5: of the last however many years it's been I don't
Speaker 5: feel like doing thirty five. Now there you go, thank you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that, Brian. But yeah, it was it was
Speaker 5: physicality and toughness. And you saw that from the very
Speaker 5: first drive until the very last drive, even when the
Speaker 5: backups were in the game, it was it was toughness
Speaker 5: and uh, they were just outmanned and they were outmatched
Speaker 5: physically from the get go. And when you are outmatched
Speaker 5: on every single play, this is the results you get.
Speaker 5: This is what This is what happens when you don't
Speaker 5: when you don't preach physicality, when you don't come into
Speaker 5: come into a season trying to be tougher. I think
Speaker 5: that's kind of the product of what happened here, and
Speaker 5: we're only going to continue to see it throughout the season.
Speaker 5: I was able to talk to some players throughout the
Speaker 5: locker room access and Dak Prescott about what can you
Speaker 5: do to be more tough U. We can talk about
Speaker 5: that as a show goes on. But you know, they're
Speaker 5: they're they're looking for a lot of answers right now.
Speaker 5: They don't really have them at the moment.
Speaker 7: And that's the concerning part it's like what you hear
Speaker 7: from them doesn't really give you any sense of hope
Speaker 7: as far as like, Okay, this is the plan and
Speaker 7: this is what we're going.
Speaker 8: To try to work on and get better at. Like
Speaker 8: you don't. So that's the difficult.
Speaker 7: Part to deal with at the moment, there's no sense
Speaker 7: of direction or what you're actually going to be working
Speaker 7: on and trying to execute. And we'll talk about the defense.
Speaker 7: Obviously not good when you allow forty seven was it
Speaker 7: forty seven points? But at the same time, and we
Speaker 7: talked about it during the game, Derek, we were looking
Speaker 7: at the defense, We're like, okay, well they got what
Speaker 7: they got at the moment, but they're out there trying
Speaker 7: to fight and make some plays. I think there were
Speaker 7: a lot of different players that we still saw some
Speaker 7: aggressiveness and some willingness to go in there and do
Speaker 7: what they can to help the team. But I can't
Speaker 7: say the same on the offense. It's like the offense,
Speaker 7: there's really no excuses. I think you look at all
Speaker 7: the players and the talent that you have. You do
Speaker 7: have talented players, you have people that you can work with,
Speaker 7: You have people that you paid money. A lot of
Speaker 7: money too. You have players that are healthy, but yet
Speaker 7: you cannot score a single touchdown. You cannot scheme these
Speaker 7: guys properly to get them to the end zone. And
Speaker 7: that's something that's very, very concerning, especially you're heading now
Speaker 7: into week seven, you're heading into the bye week training camp.
Speaker 7: Talk it's over at this point of the season. You
Speaker 7: should have some type of rhythm or something that is
Speaker 7: working for you, and you cannot figure out either on
Speaker 7: the running game or the passing game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one was going to come down to how
Speaker 2: well your offense was going to be able to play.
Speaker 2: You were just too in my opinion, too limited to
Speaker 2: what you could do defensively in this game. And Nick,
Speaker 2: I like what you're saying about the physicality aspect of it.
Speaker 2: I feel like we might have overrated an offensive line
Speaker 2: here for the Dallas Cowboys. Even the best five that
Speaker 2: we thought, maybe Cowboy Nation thought as best five really
Speaker 2: wasn't your best five. And you're showing like a team
Speaker 2: that struggles at right tackle sixty five plays five plays
Speaker 2: might be really bad. You have a Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: right guard, it's not a Hall of Fame right guard anymore.
Speaker 2: You have a center that's really young who's trying to
Speaker 2: play the position and pick up twist stunts, but he's
Speaker 2: kind of confused when that happens, which allows pressure into
Speaker 2: the quarterback's face. The All Pro guards now playing left
Speaker 2: tackle because your normal left tackle is so banged up
Speaker 2: he can't go in the game. He was on the
Speaker 2: sideline address, but he was so he was banged up
Speaker 2: to the point they really didn't want to start him,
Speaker 2: so they said, okay, let's go with these five that
Speaker 2: finished the Steelers game. He had some problems at tackle
Speaker 2: in this game where all of a sudden he steps down,
Speaker 2: here comes a free rusher. Dack's now in trouble. Boom,
Speaker 2: there's a hit, balls not where it needs to be.
Speaker 2: Maybe the ball's high, maybe it's overthrown. But you're you're
Speaker 2: dealing with an offensive line that we thought maybe would
Speaker 2: be a strength in actuality. They're really average right now,
Speaker 2: they really are. They can't really run the ball, they
Speaker 2: can't get any push. The backs are struggling with that themselves.
Speaker 2: I know everybody's complaining about the number of carriers that zeke,
Speaker 2: but go back and watch the running game. There's really
Speaker 2: If you're asking me that, okay, here's a good scheme.
Speaker 2: Here's a good scheme thing to do. Nick. Let's take
Speaker 2: Tolbert and try and block him on hutchetson when we're
Speaker 2: running a play going away and see how that works.
Speaker 2: Not very well. You know. Let's try and block Schoonmaker
Speaker 2: over here on an all pro guy and see how
Speaker 2: that works one on one. Not going to work very well,
Speaker 2: by the way, bad idea, Bad idea. Tell you what. Though,
Speaker 2: they schemed a nice job with Edie Lamb that first
Speaker 2: catch one handed ketch. But hey, look at this little
Speaker 2: scheme stuff working here. We're gonna switch the routes and
Speaker 2: we're gonna drive it and we're gonna clear it.
Speaker 6: So after that first drive, I was like, man, we're
Speaker 6: in for a shootout. This is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: There we go, Yeah, here we go. So to you,
Speaker 2: but that's you know, and you and you and you're
Speaker 2: like you're sitting here thinking it's they're capable. They're capable,
Speaker 2: but offensively they're just not good enough. They're not good enough.
Speaker 2: They don't run the ball well at times, they don't
Speaker 2: pass protect well enough. Uh there receivers, you know, when
Speaker 2: when they do have what we call creative routes. I know,
Speaker 2: Brad Sham and I get out and go back and
Speaker 2: forth about this. I hate the word creativity in ways
Speaker 2: of football because I think there's there's things that you know,
Speaker 2: you naturally need to do, and you know you can
Speaker 2: kind of figure some things out, and they have some
Speaker 2: creative plays. If you go back and watch the game,
Speaker 2: there'll be some creative plays. Balls behind the receiver, balls
Speaker 2: too high over the receiver, quarterbacks got a guy in
Speaker 2: his lap, running back didn't didn't run, hit the right hole.
Speaker 2: That's why you lose football games. You know. Defensively, you
Speaker 2: did not have the personnel to play against that offense. Nick,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this, even if you had Parsons, Lawrence, Bland, Carson,
Speaker 2: all these guys Orleans, it might have been a nass
Speaker 2: kicking too. You know. That's how good that offense is
Speaker 2: because they do things to you and they put you
Speaker 2: under a lot of stress, you know, and that was
Speaker 2: going to be your offense needed to be good enough
Speaker 2: to kind of make it a shootout. They couldn't make
Speaker 2: it a shootout. I'm probably because they're probably not good enough.
Speaker 5: I'm gona circle back to you on that creativity point,
Speaker 5: but I feel like we have bigger things to address.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I'll say this, I was very
Speaker 4: disappointed from the standpoint that yesterday in a game, we
Speaker 4: have so many players that you don't have. You're playing
Speaker 4: a team as good as this team is, you're playing
Speaker 4: at home where the last two outings that you've had,
Speaker 4: or the last three outings you've had at home haven't
Speaker 4: been very inspiring. The players that are the best players
Speaker 4: on the team that you needed most to step up
Speaker 4: at moments yesterday failed you. You go down the list
Speaker 4: and Dak didn't play this great game, his best game.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Martin and I I have throughout his career.
Speaker 4: I've loved this player and what he brings to the table.
Speaker 3: That's not what we're seeing anymore. He might we're seeing anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you talked him on the side, he might
Speaker 2: tell you he goes man, that was a rough one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might have been the worst game I've seen
Speaker 3: him play.
Speaker 4: And I mean to the point where it was consistently
Speaker 4: he was giving up pressure. You look at Ferguson and
Speaker 4: that that wasn't gonna be an easy catch. But that's
Speaker 4: a catch when you're Jake Ferguson, you make that catch.
Speaker 2: That was a design play. If you look at it,
Speaker 2: they put him on the right side and they kind
Speaker 2: of delay him to run, and it's you thought when
Speaker 2: he threw it, I thought that's a yolo ball. You
Speaker 2: know you only live once. Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 2: a yolo pass. You go back and watch on tape.
Speaker 2: It was a design play. Yeah you know it's a
Speaker 2: design pass. But yeah, you know you've seen Jacobers.
Speaker 4: I've seen to make more differ catches in that dig yesterday,
Speaker 4: I don't think played his best football. There were moments
Speaker 4: when it was like, what are you? There were opportunities
Speaker 4: to make a tackle and he just he wasn't. Then
Speaker 4: We've seen that before, and so I just I think
Speaker 4: when you look at it, I don't think anybody can
Speaker 4: walk away from that game and say, man, I gave
Speaker 4: him everything that I had and gave him the best
Speaker 4: of what I have, because, yeah, I've seen so many
Speaker 4: of these players play so much better football than what
Speaker 4: I saw yesterday, And in moments like that, that's when
Speaker 4: I need my best players to really step up and
Speaker 4: be better than even what they are normally. And that's
Speaker 4: just not what they got yesterday, So you didn't give
Speaker 4: yourself even a chance when you're playing against a team
Speaker 4: that's as good as Detroit is.
Speaker 5: To the Traylon Digs point four targets, four receptions for
Speaker 5: eighty yards, and a touchdown when targeting Traylon Digs a
Speaker 5: perfect passer rating, and then going to the Zach Martin point,
Speaker 5: he allowed seven pressures yesterday.
Speaker 6: That's a career high.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: His previous career high was five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it would just there were just so many
Speaker 4: things where it was like, I need these guys to
Speaker 4: be playing at their very best, because I have enough
Speaker 4: guys out there who are young, who are inexperienced, who
Speaker 4: may not be as good, who I'm gonna have to
Speaker 4: already take up for and kind of pull the slack
Speaker 4: for them. If your best players aren't playing like your
Speaker 4: best players, then you really just don't have a chance
Speaker 4: at all. All Right, let's do this, let's take a
Speaker 4: quick break. Well, we're gonna come back all over again.
Speaker 7: It's like this, I mean, the similarities there offensively is
Speaker 7: just like you. You literally and this has been shown
Speaker 7: throughout the season so far, like you've had I can't
Speaker 7: even remember the first game, I know that was a
Speaker 7: bigger score. I can't remember how the offense overall looked.
Speaker 2: Like in the Cleveland game. The yeah, second half, it
Speaker 2: was a non It was kind of a no show.
Speaker 2: They really didn't move the ball all the first half.
Speaker 4: But I mean you could say similar things about a
Speaker 4: lot of games this year that even when they have
Speaker 4: played well, it hasn't been a full game.
Speaker 8: You're not doing much of anything.
Speaker 7: You got rezone problems, you can't score points, touchdowns, You're
Speaker 7: relying on your kicker, which should not be the answer.
Speaker 7: And what is the stressful is like you don't see
Speaker 7: any type of improvement in that in those areas to
Speaker 7: where you're like, Okay, we're getting better here, and like
Speaker 7: you can at least talk about it and work with that.
Speaker 7: But right now, at this point, it just feels like,
Speaker 7: what the heck are we gonna do?
Speaker 8: What are we expecting?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 2: They are who they are? Is Bill Parcells would say,
Speaker 2: they are who they are right now?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's you can't And I said this last night.
Speaker 3: I was talking to my wife.
Speaker 4: I was like, I've been giving this offense the benefit
Speaker 4: of the doubt. I think that they were still just
Speaker 4: as good as they were last year. And I even
Speaker 4: forgot what they were before they got past the San
Speaker 4: Francisco game, because they were pretty bad before that. And
Speaker 4: then they seem to get on a roll and then
Speaker 4: we started to see the offense really kind of come
Speaker 4: into its own and I gave them the benefit of
Speaker 4: the doubt that that's who they still were.
Speaker 3: I was like, surely the.
Speaker 4: Loss of Tony Pollett wouldn't make that much of a difference,
Speaker 4: but they haven't really lost a lot of other pieces.
Speaker 4: And and right now what we're seeing is that this
Speaker 4: offense is not what they were last year.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's all Tony Pollard or.
Speaker 6: Not Tyron Smith seeing the effect of Tyrone.
Speaker 3: Maybe Tyron.
Speaker 4: But also the part about Tyrant is you couldn't allow
Speaker 4: on him to be there last year for all all
Speaker 4: those games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at least, but at least he was a
Speaker 2: he was a he was a major part of it. There.
Speaker 2: Now you have questions that left.
Speaker 10: Tackle, Yeah, well you got questions all along, you do,
Speaker 10: but really think about it is you have questions to
Speaker 10: left tackle, but your right guard, as you mentioned, is
Speaker 10: his the bar was so high that he's just playing
Speaker 10: as a mere mortal right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he's a he's an average guy right now,
Speaker 4: which is crazy to say because he's such a great
Speaker 4: player and he's been such a great player. It's just
Speaker 4: not that's not what yesterday looked like.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: Are we're gonna take our first break, We'll come back,
Speaker 4: We'll dab a little deeper into the offense. Let's talk
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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: He was seventeen thirty three fifty two percent completion, one
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy eight yards, passing, zero touchdowns, two interceptions,
Speaker 4: forty two point two rating.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on how Dak performed?
Speaker 6: Yes today, Yeah, really poorly.
Speaker 5: We've seen him struggle throughout the course of his career
Speaker 5: against against his own type defenses, and I think Detroit
Speaker 5: threw a little bit more at him than what he
Speaker 5: maybe anticipated. And just for one play that could kind
Speaker 5: of sum it all up was the Brian Branch interception.
Speaker 5: The first one where you know, he had Dak believing
Speaker 5: that he was going to go into account for Jalen
Speaker 5: Tolbert on the checkdown and then as soon as that
Speaker 5: ball was released, he turned back and be lined to
Speaker 5: that ball and he was right there for it. So
Speaker 5: you know, that's a ball that Dak's got to push
Speaker 5: to the corner. He's got to push it up a
Speaker 5: little bit. He's got to trust CD's athleticism a little
Speaker 5: bit more. And then on CD's end, he's got to
Speaker 5: play defense a little bit better than that. You know.
Speaker 5: But I think, all in all, the day that Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott had it's one of the worst that I've seen
Speaker 5: in person over the course of my last couple of
Speaker 5: years covering this team. You know, I think back to
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers performance last year, and it was
Speaker 5: very similar in the sense that rhythm was never established.
Speaker 5: His receivers were just getting fought in the secondary over
Speaker 5: and over. And I got to give credits to the officials.
Speaker 5: They let them play for the most part. They called
Speaker 5: a couple of penalties. But Detroit they brought that physicality
Speaker 5: in the secondary as well, and it disrupted the timing.
Speaker 5: It disrupted the rhythm of this offense. And when this
Speaker 5: offense does not have timing and it does not have rhythm,
Speaker 5: it is inserviceable.
Speaker 6: And we saw that on full display on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: I'm still that word inserviceable. I like that I do too.
Speaker 3: It's a good word.
Speaker 2: It's an educated guy talking right there.
Speaker 6: Sometimes sometimes go ahead.
Speaker 2: Brian, Yeah, I think the thing. I think the thing
Speaker 2: with Dak is that, to me, there there were opportunities
Speaker 2: in this game. Not a lot of them, but man,
Speaker 2: there were some things that they had set up to
Speaker 2: try and make it happen. We talked about the past.
Speaker 2: The first the first inside passed, the one hand catch
Speaker 2: to Lamb. I mean to me, I'm like, there you go,
Speaker 2: capable of this stuff, you know, And there was some
Speaker 2: things that they did that he's absolutely right about. The branch.
Speaker 2: Branch had a couple of interceptions. The one that over
Speaker 2: the middle to Brooks was just a really poorly thrown ball.
Speaker 2: I mean, he you know, there was some little bit
Speaker 2: of pressure, but he was able to get it out.
Speaker 2: The pass on the end zone, the one and the
Speaker 2: that was intercepted, it's kind of like Dallas, I guarantee
Speaker 2: you this is what happened. They probably ran that play
Speaker 2: like three times in gold Line period on practicing it,
Speaker 2: and every single time they told the corner to bite
Speaker 2: on the or the the man in the flat to
Speaker 2: bite on the cross did it on their own. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well That's what I'm saying, like or yeah, so all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Now it's like, okay, this guy this
Speaker 2: you know, it's Brian Branch. He's an instinctive player, and
Speaker 2: you're thinking, Okay, this guy's gonna we're gonna play it
Speaker 2: like this guy is gonna drive on the drive on
Speaker 2: the because they're gonna run a screen. They fake basically
Speaker 2: the screen is what they do. So they get Tolbert
Speaker 2: like this is gonna bubble, and then he takes off
Speaker 2: and then out and they're thinking that maybe Branch is
Speaker 2: gonna but man, he just he's like no. Dak's looking
Speaker 2: at CD the whole time coming across. You can see it.
Speaker 2: You could see it in his eyes. I mean he's
Speaker 2: looking at him, and Branch is like, you're not throwing
Speaker 2: this ball that flat. Throw it behind me here, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's just a good instinctive play.
Speaker 6: Especially on third down too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: They were never gonna throw it short of the sticks, right.
Speaker 2: There, never never were so Yeah. Unfortunately though that, I
Speaker 2: think the play caller wasn't particularly good. I don't think
Speaker 2: the quarterback was particularly good. I think the line was
Speaker 2: particularly good. A lot of pressure there, they didn't they
Speaker 2: don't run the ball. So bad day all around, if
Speaker 2: you want to point the finger, the quarterback takes the arrows.
Speaker 2: He stands up there and has to answer all the questions.
Speaker 2: Everybody else kind of, you know, says, we'll look in
Speaker 2: the mirror and kind of figure it all out. I
Speaker 2: do believe this. They are who they are. You're right,
Speaker 2: it has to be almost perfect for them to have
Speaker 2: a successful play. I mean they can't. It's it just
Speaker 2: sometimes if they're off schedule and all that, the creativity
Speaker 2: of it all. I use that word there, but it's
Speaker 2: a it was. It was not a good day and
Speaker 2: they needed a good day from their offense. And I
Speaker 2: think their offense just watching it now through six weeks,
Speaker 2: it kind of like I say, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's not good enough.
Speaker 8: I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 7: We know Dak is better than what he's shown so
Speaker 7: far this season and what he showed in this particular game.
Speaker 7: I mean we talk about the pressure. Yes, sure there
Speaker 7: was a lot of pressure, but there were a lot
Speaker 7: of plays that I saw where the pressure wasn't that
Speaker 7: bad and he was still making bad decisions where he
Speaker 7: was just throwing the ball to who knows who and
Speaker 7: then doing who knows why, And we talk about I
Speaker 7: know I brought this up after some other game, I
Speaker 7: don't remember what, but the Dak's ability to run and
Speaker 7: the mobility, and you mentioned the whole ankle thing that
Speaker 7: happened during the off season. Well at this point, I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't want to say I don't care, because if
Speaker 7: I really hurt, you care.
Speaker 8: About, but like do something.
Speaker 7: You know, there were instances, There are instances where he
Speaker 7: has the ability to kind of just get out of
Speaker 7: the pocket and just gain a few more yards while
Speaker 7: he figures out the target and throws it. We've seeing
Speaker 7: him be able to throw good balls when on the run.
Speaker 7: So that's an area of the game that is not
Speaker 7: being used at all, not even when they're getting close
Speaker 7: to the red zone in that area where I think
Speaker 7: it can be very beneficial to them. And that's the
Speaker 7: whole element that's been taken away when you're already struggling
Speaker 7: without a running game. Overall, I think there are a
Speaker 7: lot of elements in the game that I think Mike
Speaker 7: McCarthy is not really utilizing it to his advantage. And
Speaker 7: we talk about you mentioned Derek Hunter Lipke, another guy
Speaker 7: that we've mentioned on here all the time, did he
Speaker 7: do anything yesterday?
Speaker 2: He was a sniffer blocker yesterday, a sniffer. Sniffer blocker.
Speaker 8: I heard a sniffer in the locker room.
Speaker 2: Got here with the knickerbockers, plays right behind the right
Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage and kind of sniffs out
Speaker 2: stuff that's going on there.
Speaker 3: They certainly didn't give him the ball, throw.
Speaker 2: The ball, or can him the ball.
Speaker 3: They did not touch the all. He did not touch
Speaker 3: them all.
Speaker 2: He was a blocker yesterday.
Speaker 7: You guys guys that you can kind of try something
Speaker 7: different with and you're not so. I mean, this whole
Speaker 7: thing kind of falls back into Mike McCarthy as a
Speaker 7: play caller and what he's doing currently. I don't know
Speaker 7: much about football, but what I watch without very little knowledge,
Speaker 7: compared to what they have over there on that side
Speaker 7: of the building and what they get paid for, to me,
Speaker 7: it seems like it looks easier from my perspective. Again,
Speaker 7: I respect what they're doing, but it just from our
Speaker 7: bird's eye point of view, it looks like you have
Speaker 7: the tools to create something better and do something that
Speaker 7: you're not doing right now, like you're not. Again, I
Speaker 7: don't want to bring up Nativity.
Speaker 2: But yes, I'm the one with the creativity. It's it's
Speaker 2: the right, it's right. But the thing that this the
Speaker 2: trade team on offense from binds me. The old Cowboy
Speaker 2: teams that win Super Bowls, you know, when you try
Speaker 2: and kind of take things away from them, they kind
Speaker 2: of figure something else out. They figure out how to
Speaker 2: run the ball, or they figure out how to throw
Speaker 2: it to the tight end. That play that they designed,
Speaker 2: the double you know, the double River. That's that's a
Speaker 2: I think that's a play someone was telling me, and
Speaker 2: I need to go back and look at this. It's
Speaker 2: a play at San Francisco ran against you last year.
Speaker 2: Do it the kittle for a touchdown? Same play, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's maybe it's like, hmm, maybe we can steal
Speaker 2: this play from you know, somebody. And but that's that's
Speaker 2: where I think with the Cowboys offensively though, it's it's
Speaker 2: just such a struggle. And it's just such a struggle
Speaker 2: because of the line struggles, the quarterback struggles at times,
Speaker 2: they don't run the ball, as I said, and your
Speaker 2: receivers don't always make plays for you, you know. So
Speaker 2: that's I mean, it's you just you watch these other
Speaker 2: teams that have so much success moving the ball. Detroit's
Speaker 2: probad of a bad example because they've got one of
Speaker 2: the best lines in football. They got really good young
Speaker 2: talent with Williams and Saint Brown as the receivers, Laporta
Speaker 2: at that tight end, is Hues and two of the
Speaker 2: best backs in the league. You see what they did
Speaker 2: to you. They just kept interchanging those guys. Montgomery the
Speaker 2: carry and then the next guy, and they went is
Speaker 2: back and forth with how they you know, and that's
Speaker 2: everybody's kind of getting on him, like, huh, you got
Speaker 2: a running back already and you're drafting one in the
Speaker 2: first round. Okay, stupid. They look pretty they look pretty smart.
Speaker 6: It's a full now.
Speaker 2: Their offensive line is really good.
Speaker 6: It's awesome.
Speaker 2: Those dudes. They play on their feet. They don't worry
Speaker 2: about your down guys, they block. Their tight ends are
Speaker 2: good at blocking, you know. They they really they're there.
Speaker 2: And they got a really fun play caller. I mean
Speaker 2: he he was trying to embarrass you yesterday. He really
Speaker 2: was throwing the ball to the tackle and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I mean he's like he's like, you know, who's practicing
Speaker 2: plays to like catch it and pitch it to the
Speaker 2: your all pro right tackle.
Speaker 5: I love big boy touchdown so much. I caught myself
Speaker 5: whenever was reaching in.
Speaker 2: Get in crazy. But that's what you that's what you're
Speaker 2: up against yesterday, you know, and you you look the
Speaker 2: opposite of what that And that's probably kind of a
Speaker 2: bad example because that's one of the best offenses is
Speaker 2: in the league.
Speaker 4: Let's take our actually, let's real quick, we get this
Speaker 4: one last topic in before we go to break.
Speaker 3: Talk about the offensive line. Brian. I know you went
Speaker 3: down the line and they.
Speaker 4: Had lots of struggles, and what I saw was that
Speaker 4: the majority of the struggles seemed to be on the
Speaker 4: right side. There were some some things on the left side,
Speaker 4: but on the right side, it seemed like every play there.
Speaker 3: Was something going on over there. They just didn't seem right.
Speaker 3: My question for you is, how do you fix that?
Speaker 4: Because you ain't getting rid of Zach this year, which
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you should, but that's not changing Steel
Speaker 4: is not necessarily I don't know if you've got another
Speaker 4: guy you could.
Speaker 3: Even put there in place of him. So what other
Speaker 3: than them playing better?
Speaker 4: Is there anything the Cowboys can do to help the
Speaker 4: right side of.
Speaker 3: The line.
Speaker 6: Man, we're just gonna look at each other the whole
Speaker 6: show here.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean to me that it's yeah.
Speaker 6: There's one solution.
Speaker 5: There's one solution that's been tossed around on by fans,
Speaker 5: and it's played right tack guid in a right tackle
Speaker 5: and I I think you could do that if you
Speaker 5: didn't have so much investment wrapped up in terrence.
Speaker 17: But is it?
Speaker 4: But my question would be for them that may be
Speaker 4: a long term solution could be. But do you think
Speaker 4: that after not playing right tackle through from training camp
Speaker 4: and he get played in college, do you think that
Speaker 4: he's going to be any better at right tackle than
Speaker 4: maybe what we've seen already at left tackle, Because at
Speaker 4: left tackle, we know he's got a lot of development
Speaker 4: to do. So are you just changing out one problem
Speaker 4: for another potential problem if you put him at right tack.
Speaker 5: I think it's also maximizing Tyler Smith at left tackle
Speaker 5: if you feel comfortable with what he's done there, and
Speaker 5: then it's putting Tyler Gotten back into a situation of comfortability.
Speaker 5: Even though he was protecting a blindsided Oklahoma and there
Speaker 5: was still aspects that he was able to carry over
Speaker 5: to the left side. I think putting him back on
Speaker 5: the right side could help in the long run, but
Speaker 5: I don't see this team doing that. I feel like
Speaker 5: it's a wasted conversation. Honestly, they are going to keep
Speaker 5: tern Steel there and ride it out with him. Yeah, Honestly,
Speaker 5: if you look at how Terrence Steel started the season
Speaker 5: last year and how he finished the year last year,
Speaker 5: those last six seven games that Terrence Steel had some
Speaker 5: of the best play he's had in his entire career.
Speaker 5: And I think they still feel like that that can
Speaker 5: come rear rear back around through the back half of
Speaker 5: the season.
Speaker 2: I think it's San Francisco, you're gonna see guiding a
Speaker 2: left tackle, stell A Smith back at left guard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to tinker with this thing anymore.
Speaker 2: Like I said, the you're just not good enough up
Speaker 2: front right now. You just you know, you've got to
Speaker 2: get Guiden experience. You got to get BB experience. Smith
Speaker 2: will be fine, Martin, you you ride that. That's that's
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame player over there. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like the same problems you talked about with Tyron Smith.
Speaker 2: You know, you're like, Oh, I don't know. It's some
Speaker 2: days it's great, some days it maybe not. But you know,
Speaker 2: and then you've got to figure out the right tackle stuff.
Speaker 2: I just feel like that. To me, it's it's asking
Speaker 2: a lot and they're they're not going to do anything
Speaker 2: about it. They they tried. You know, their future is
Speaker 2: with BB at center and Guidance at left tackle, and
Speaker 2: I think that's how they're going to continue to play.
Speaker 3: Let's take our final break.
Speaker 4: We will come back and we'll talk a little bit
Speaker 4: about the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Not much that was surprising about.
Speaker 4: Yesterday, but there are some points that we need to
Speaker 4: kind of figure out and then talk about a couple
Speaker 4: of players on that side of the ball. We'll back
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4: Yesterday, man, they continued the struggles with stopping the run.
Speaker 3: They allowed Lions to.
Speaker 4: Pick up on thirty six rushes. They picked up one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty four yards running a rushing five point
Speaker 4: one average two touchdowns.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, there was a point.
Speaker 4: Early in the game, maybe second quarter, when I was like,
Speaker 4: it almost feels like they're playing with them, because if
Speaker 4: they just decided they were just going to line up
Speaker 4: and run every down they could, the Cowboys were really
Speaker 4: not stopping them from running. They were just doing trick
Speaker 4: plays and running all kinds of stuff around there. It
Speaker 4: just seems like they were kind of toying with them
Speaker 4: a little bit, But the run defense is where it
Speaker 4: all starts, and I don't think it was really existent yesterday.
Speaker 4: And I think that obviously you look at those numbers
Speaker 4: and you say that if you start breaking it down,
Speaker 4: where do you guys think was the biggest point of
Speaker 4: failure for the defense from the standpoint zopping the run yesterday?
Speaker 5: I think getting blown off the ball line of scrimmage
Speaker 5: was just dominated by Detroit and that was on both
Speaker 5: sides of the ball. Before talking defensively specifically, I was
Speaker 5: able to kind of see some all twenty two this
Speaker 5: morning and it just kind of reaffirmed my thoughts that
Speaker 5: I saw yesterday. I mean, Golston wasn't horrible, and he
Speaker 5: was still bad and he was probably your best player
Speaker 5: on the defensive line yesterday. Mazzie Smith just reverted back
Speaker 5: to what we saw against the Saints and the Ravens.
Speaker 5: You could say the same for the rest of the
Speaker 5: interior guys, Lynval, Joseph Carlos, Watkins when he had some opportunities,
Speaker 5: kJ Henry carl Lawson. I mean, none of those guys
Speaker 5: generated anything in the run game. And so what does
Speaker 5: that do makes life more difficult for that second level.
Speaker 5: I mean, fortunately you saw a couple of plays where
Speaker 5: de Mont Clark was able to kind of be line
Speaker 5: in and find the run gap, and Marvin Overshown did
Speaker 5: the same thing. But for the large majority of the game,
Speaker 5: the second level was having to play multiple gaps at once,
Speaker 5: and then that's just asking your defense to do too
Speaker 5: much at that point, and then once they get into
Speaker 5: the secondary, nobody in your secondary can make a tackle.
Speaker 6: So that's when you saw.
Speaker 5: Davidlgomery throwing guys around, and my goodness, Trayvon Diggs, I
Speaker 5: when it comes to tackling, specifically in the run game,
Speaker 5: I don't he's had some bad games.
Speaker 6: I don't think there was one worse than this.
Speaker 5: I just I can't think of one off the top
Speaker 5: of my head where he just wasn't he wasn't trying
Speaker 5: to tackle guys. And whenever that happens, from getting blown
Speaker 5: off the ball to second level having to play multiple
Speaker 5: gaps at once, and then they get into the secondary
Speaker 5: and those guys are like, I'm good, that's what happens.
Speaker 5: One hundred and eighty three yards and however many carries.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you talk about the secondary. I
Speaker 2: think Wilson was fine. I think I think Lewis was
Speaker 2: one of your better players when you look at that.
Speaker 2: I will say this though about the secondary, though, that
Speaker 2: they're man. This team will will stretch you out with
Speaker 2: the routes they run and how they replace each other
Speaker 2: three to one side, one to the middle. You know,
Speaker 2: they do a lot of things, and you know it
Speaker 2: was it was a difficult day for them in the
Speaker 2: backd and I think they messed with Hooker. I think
Speaker 2: they messed with with Digs, you know, Ao sometimes as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just to show the biggest problem yesterday
Speaker 2: with you defensively, and Nick's not wrong about the physicality.
Speaker 2: Those young linebackers had a hard day. They had a
Speaker 2: hard day because of all the things that's going on.
Speaker 2: The play action, the fits, the routes behind them, the
Speaker 2: routes to the flat. You know, everything was messing with
Speaker 2: them the whole day yesterday. And you know you could
Speaker 2: see that daimone Clark just clearly does not look like
Speaker 2: he knows where he needs to be or where he
Speaker 2: needs to fit. You know, all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: mean I think they've dropped one ball this year. I
Speaker 2: think that the Williams inside breaking route was the first
Speaker 2: drop that they had that was clear. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: know what they did. They came back and ran the
Speaker 2: same play and then they hit it. You know, they're like,
Speaker 2: damn it, we got to get this guy back going. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Very next they threw the ball behind but on the
Speaker 2: first one on the drop, you see DeMont Clark looking
Speaker 2: around like WHOA, what's going on? And then the route
Speaker 2: breaks behind him and it was it was a it
Speaker 2: was a really rough day for a lot of young
Speaker 2: players yesterday. And you know, but you're, like I said,
Speaker 2: even if you had all your starters, that was going
Speaker 2: to be a different a difficult game. Maybe you had
Speaker 2: a game like last year, maybe it'd been a little
Speaker 2: bit closer. But man, that the Lions knew what they
Speaker 2: wanted to do running the football. Their offensive line is
Speaker 2: really good at playing on their feet. They aren't they're
Speaker 2: not on the ground. The way that they block, the
Speaker 2: way they get the second level, the way they cut
Speaker 2: you off, and they make it very very difficult for
Speaker 2: anybody to have to move the ball on him that way.
Speaker 7: Honestly, I'm just surprised we had enough bodies to even
Speaker 7: be at a game like being half players on the
Speaker 7: field because at this rate, uh, And we'll hear the
Speaker 7: report later on on Leu Fou. We know he got
Speaker 7: out of the game, that he finished the game, but
Speaker 7: walking out of the locker room, I mean his whole
Speaker 7: sholder was wrapped up in bandages and stuff. So that's
Speaker 7: another guy that's banged up. Luckily, by week starts now
Speaker 7: and they'll have time to rest and get some of
Speaker 7: those guys back. But the concerning part is here, even
Speaker 7: when the starters come back, how is this defense like that?
Speaker 7: It still doesn't promise you that this defense is gonna
Speaker 7: be able to take the next step and be better
Speaker 7: than what they've been. They were already struggling with the starters,
Speaker 7: especially in the run defense. So right now, honestly, I
Speaker 7: just feel like a fool I've been. I feel like
Speaker 7: I've been. I don't know what the heck I saw
Speaker 7: during training camp where I really bought into what Mike
Speaker 7: Zimmer was selling and trying to implement with this defense.
Speaker 7: I was very, very excited, and honestly, the thing that
Speaker 7: I was looking forward to the most was this defense
Speaker 7: and what he was going to do with it.
Speaker 8: And right now.
Speaker 7: There's nothing exciting about it, and and the kind of
Speaker 7: job he's done at the moment. I don't know what
Speaker 7: you guys think about the offense. The defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Yeah currently, Yeah, Mike is and I really believed that
Speaker 2: it was going to be buttoned up. It hadn't been
Speaker 2: buttoned up. You still see the problems, the busts and
Speaker 2: stuff that that they're dealing with. And we've always kind
Speaker 2: of talked about with Mike playing with and wanting to
Speaker 2: play with guys they're smart players and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: that maybe some of those big plays that we'd seen
Speaker 2: in the Green Bay with Dan Quinn in that group
Speaker 2: when it was just guys running wide open, would not
Speaker 2: be that case. Mike's Mike's reputation, Mike as a coach
Speaker 2: was as a button up guy. This is not a
Speaker 2: buttoned up defense. It's a defense. They're playing a lot
Speaker 2: of young guys. Not an excuse. Mike will tell you
Speaker 2: that's not an excuse. Got to coach them, got to
Speaker 2: get them ready, got to help them make plays. They're
Speaker 2: not making plays. And you know, as a as a unit,
Speaker 2: coaches included, Uh, they are really really struggling with it,
Speaker 2: with it with their guys now because they got a
Speaker 2: lot of young guys. There are a lot of young
Speaker 2: guys are making mistakes and Mike might be a little
Speaker 2: handicapped aways calling his defenses, but that's on him too.
Speaker 2: They I like you, Amber, I was excited about them
Speaker 2: not giving up big, big plays, but those explosive plays
Speaker 2: have been especially the home games have just been it's
Speaker 2: been embarrassing. To be honest with you, Well.
Speaker 4: I just honestly, I do put some of it. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the coordinator has to take.
Speaker 2: A passion to take the blame. But the fact a matter.
Speaker 4: Is, like I think, it all starts with the fact
Speaker 4: that if you are a defense that cannot stop the run,
Speaker 4: and quite frankly, if you cannot on the front line,
Speaker 4: if you cannot do the job of number one, keeping
Speaker 4: offensive linemen off your linebackers, of being able to hold
Speaker 4: up at the point of attack, of being able to
Speaker 4: set the edge, all these basic things you learn about
Speaker 4: playing defense at an early age when you play football.
Speaker 4: If they're not able to do those things successfully and consistently,
Speaker 4: the defense overall is going to hurt.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 4: You just it all compounds and the way offenses can
Speaker 4: get to all the other things is if they've got
Speaker 4: you to where you can't stop the run, then everything
Speaker 4: else is open to them and you have no shot.
Speaker 4: And I think that's where it starts and ends for me.
Speaker 4: And really that goes down to the personnel you have upfront.
Speaker 4: Maybe losing all those guys that you lost at the
Speaker 4: defensive end position, and I'm talking going back to free agency,
Speaker 4: maybe that affected you. Maybe having your first round pick
Speaker 4: from a couple of years ago not being able to
Speaker 4: step up and consistently be what a first round pick
Speaker 4: should be is affecting you. I think that's where I
Speaker 4: start and finish this thing, and for me, you know,
Speaker 4: everything else is going to go from that. And I'm
Speaker 4: not sure that's a fair deck to give someone like
Speaker 4: Mike Zimmer, but it is what it is. He accepted it,
Speaker 4: and when you accept the challenge, you got to also
Speaker 4: check the blame if it doesn't work. But I will
Speaker 4: say I think a lot of this has to do
Speaker 4: with them just not having the personnel necessarily to be
Speaker 4: able to.
Speaker 3: Stop the run right now. And that's that's just a
Speaker 3: fact in my opinion.
Speaker 2: It goes back to Nick's physicality part of it too,
Speaker 2: though stopping the run, being physical, all those things.
Speaker 5: I asked Dak last night and his press or what
Speaker 5: can you do to be a more physical team? Like
Speaker 5: within the gap of a season? You know, how can
Speaker 5: you just implum withdraw?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: I asked Jordan Lewis and de Montclark the same things,
Speaker 5: but I think Dak probably gave me the better answer,
Speaker 5: and he was saying, we have to practice harder, we
Speaker 5: have to prepare harder. And I think whenever you look
Speaker 5: at a team that has had multiple practice injuries over
Speaker 5: the course of the last two years, where do you
Speaker 5: find the balance? You know, where do you find the
Speaker 5: balance between increases and physicality but also understanding that your
Speaker 5: team is one more injury away from being in that
Speaker 5: top ten of that draft that.
Speaker 6: We were talking about, Brian. So, I mean, it's a
Speaker 6: tough juggle.
Speaker 5: It's something I would like to ask Mike McCarthy today,
Speaker 5: just being like, how how do you balance wanting to
Speaker 5: increase physicality without sacrificing more depth on your team? So
Speaker 5: I think I truly believe it's just ingrained in the
Speaker 5: culture of what you have instituted over the course of
Speaker 5: the last two and a half years. Because when Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy first got here. I don't feel like that was
Speaker 5: necessarily a problem. Like even in that twenty twenty season
Speaker 5: when they were just getting blown out, there was toughness
Speaker 5: in some of those games. There was more toughness shown
Speaker 5: in a couple of those games. And we're today, which
Speaker 5: is wild to say, looking at twenty twenty one, twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two, I feel like those were the best chances
Speaker 5: here in the MacCarthy era. You look, last year, physicality,
Speaker 5: toughness just what nosedive and this year it's it's just
Speaker 5: going deeper into the earth.
Speaker 4: So and what's really interesting is you can see, I
Speaker 4: mean you literally can see what Dan Campbell brought to
Speaker 4: that team from this from the moment he stepped in
Speaker 4: the building. When it comes to physical the Detroit Lions
Speaker 4: will never considered the most physical or one of the
Speaker 4: more physical teams in the NFL. He walked in and
Speaker 4: from day one was like, if nothing else, we're going
Speaker 4: to be tough and physical, Like we're gonna be physical.
Speaker 2: And we all laughed at him too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And now you look at that team and they
Speaker 4: have built that team. He has literally built that They
Speaker 4: have built that team. I shouldn't just say him. They
Speaker 4: have built that team to whereas you talked about Brian,
Speaker 4: yet they got a bunch of skill guys. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: even the skill guys are a little nasty, like they
Speaker 4: got They play with a certain level of aggression. That
Speaker 4: is you can point back to the coach coming in.
Speaker 3: That's all about.
Speaker 4: I think the coach bringing that mentality to that team,
Speaker 4: and that's how they play. And if you're gonna play them,
Speaker 4: you better match that because if you don't match it,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna you're not gonna succeed against them.
Speaker 8: Let's bringing David Coggins.
Speaker 7: Let's hire Doggains bringing him and have some you know,
Speaker 7: because that's more.
Speaker 3: Than physical, that's crazy. Like Davidgins, he's on a whole
Speaker 3: different level though.
Speaker 8: He'll push you to your limit.
Speaker 7: I mean, all I have to do is listen to him,
Speaker 7: and I think I can run through a wall. So
Speaker 7: I don't know something I'm just saying some kind of inspiration,
Speaker 7: motivational speaker or something.
Speaker 4: I even wonder to some degree, I wonder if if
Speaker 4: he were being honest, Like not to say he's not
Speaker 4: being honest, but obviously coaches have certain things that they
Speaker 4: will say publicly and not. I wonder if if Mike
Speaker 4: really believes physicality is their problem, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Wonder, I don't. I don't, but I don't know that.
Speaker 4: And I know how football guys sometimes can say, no,
Speaker 4: it's really about execution, it's really about we just gotta
Speaker 4: This guy's got to do his job. This guy's got
Speaker 4: to do his job. I wonder if he would really
Speaker 4: think that physicality.
Speaker 2: Is is the issue. He thinks not getting turnovers is
Speaker 2: a big thing, and over too much.
Speaker 3: He thinks he had five yesterday.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest problem. He probably feels like turning
Speaker 2: the ball over is a huge problem for him, and
Speaker 2: not getting any turnovers that that seems like to be
Speaker 2: his focus right now.
Speaker 4: All right, appreciate you guys joining us. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Actually we will not have.
Speaker 2: To see you guys next week.
Speaker 4: We're going to we're doing our mix up shows tomorrow
Speaker 4: and Wednesday, So we got a whole different crew rolling
Speaker 4: in here for the break. You guys will all be
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Speaker 2: I mean the morning, the very morning, bright off the jump,
Speaker 2: nine am, who's got nine a M? Is that to you?
Speaker 7: With sol?
Speaker 8: That's all Kyle's signature at the end of.
Speaker 6: I think you said you're.
Speaker 3: On the Break tomorrow eleven.
Speaker 4: It will be myself, Nick Eatman will be joining me,
Speaker 4: and we'll have our new guy, Tommy Yarsh meeting us
Speaker 4: as well. And I think Bonnie Jill will be on
Speaker 4: with us. So we got a nice Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how we how we mix in
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