WEBVTT - Ep. 50: The Pace Brothers 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.160 Hey everybody, and welcome to episode number fifty of The 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.520 Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien and we made it the 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.680 episode fifty. It's pretty cool. I never thought this podcast 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.920 would last episode number five, let alone number fifty, so 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.560 I am very happy to be here with you. Uh 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.439 and with us today is two men, uh Byron and 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.480 Darryl Pace from Scotland, and I would imagine that if 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:26.280 you've never been to Scotland, or if you don't, you're 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.480 not aware of their hunting culture. These are two the 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.639 two best guys to be talking to to get the 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.760 perspective from that side of the world. And Byron and 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.440 Darryl also prolific creators of media. They have a podcast, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:44.640 they're wonderful photographers, and they are also filmmakers. Um. It 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.519 made me feel a little bit lazy by seeing and 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.520 watching and learning about what they do. But also they've 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.600 lived amazing lives for their young years, and well, we 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.480 wanted to get into a lot of the land use 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.680 and wildlife management in Scotland, but we didn't get there 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:05.880 because their life stories are so damn interesting. So please enjoy. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.759 Straight from the Mediator Offices of Montana, Byron Darryl Pace 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:15.440 the Pace Brothers on the episode number fifty. I'm warming 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.319 up now. Yeah, yeah, you getting used to it after 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.120 it said would have been a week. It is, but 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.400 we left, we left Scotland. It was pretty cold, although 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.840 not minus twenty, which is what it was in Yellowstone 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.039 when we visited the first day. Yeah, it's just a 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.720 couple of degrees undering a wee bit of snow. It's 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:36.320 all gone. Now. You enjoyed Montana. Now it's terrible. It's 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.679 it's views are terrible. Yeah, it's it makes you not 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.240 want to come back. It's it's amazing here, absolutely spectacular. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.959 It's actually screwed me up, if I'm honest, because I've 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.640 kind of spent I've spent so much of my life 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.200 always looking for the backup to Scotland, where we live, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.600 where we're from. And despite all the awesome places I've 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.760 been around the world, there's always it's never it's like, no, 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:02.200 I'm not I wouldn't make that trade. And now I've 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.400 been here a week and I'm like, oh, dear, oh, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.640 I found I found a place. I'm very much into 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.440 Plan B. I have like this thing where I in 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.399 case I lose my job, and my wife and son 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.240 decide they don't want me around anymore. You gotta have 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.000 like a you know, pull the ripcord. So for me, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.440 it's New Zealand. It used to be Alaska. Until I 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.560 went to New Zealand. I was like, WHOA, I could 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.360 live here. So that's my my plan B. So maybe 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.200 this could be your plan B in case everything doesn't 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.560 work out. If maybe plan A. If you guys let 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.800 us in, yeah, well we would let you. And okay, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.680 we're so temporary. We're not pass ben nicely for a 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.080 temporary job. Yeah. As you can tell around here, we 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.880 have plenty of seats and people to fill them. I 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.440 was tempted when I was looking. I was looking through 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.000 your store at the meat each story the other day 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.440 and I saw a couple of jobs up for grabs 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.639 and something, Well, let's do an into view. Now, tell 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.360 me about your skills, no, I hear at the Meatia, 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.880 we will ask you, like, what if you were a bird, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.840 what type of bird would you be? That's how that's 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.000 how our interviews begin. Well, after seeing a bold eagle 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.200 for the first time the other day, I think I 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.280 want to be that. That's a that's a bad motherfucker. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.480 First time I've seen one, Yeah, right outside Tyler's house. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.040 I mean it didn't you know, I don't know that 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.600 I saw a bald eagle until I was in my 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.840 teenage years because I lived on the East Coast and 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.120 then very rare. They're not populated. That not populated. There 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.040 there are some around. You would see him, you know, rarely. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.520 But then now I live over here on the Gallatin 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.680 River and they fly across my backyard every morning. Pretty special. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.440 It's pretty special thing they must be. I mean it 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.000 was above my head. So it's difficult to judge the 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.640 scale of something when it's just in the sky. That 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.960 golden little sea eagles are the biggest thing we have 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.400 in Scotland, the golden eagles being more common, but they 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.760 were a lot bigger than a golden eagle. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.640 they're They're a big raptor um and and you know 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.240 for us that they have you know, when you go 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.960 you go like Prince of Wales Island, say coastal Alaska, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.720 and they're like buzzers. I mean they're everywhere, and every 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.960 pile of trash has a gold ea has a bald 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.360 eagle on it. Every dead carcass has ten bald eagles 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.320 on it. You know, every dead seal is washed up 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.440 on the shore has ten bald eagles. So imagine if 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.440 you lived in that place, your your perspective might be 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.560 a little bit different. But here and to see a 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.080 bald eagle, I mean now, we were sitting in the 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:15.680 airport and I look out and there's like a bald 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.040 eagle flying with a backdrop of the Bridge mountains, and 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.880 I'm like, oh man, in my in my mind, I 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.440 was like, America. Yeah, that's the American dream. That's it 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.719 right there. That's like if I was a pilgrim coming 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.760 out west then I stopped and saw that, I'd be like, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.720 I'll live here, I will homestead here. Um, all right, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.839 we're gonna talk a lot about um where you came from. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.239 But first I want to talk about your time in Montana. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.960 You gotta give me. We got bison hunts. You guys 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.080 have met and podcasted with some interesting individuals and and 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.400 plan to do more. So yeah, I gotta tell us 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.400 all about it. We've got a busy day head today. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:54.200 We've got we're seeing your buddy Brad. Yeah. Um, over 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.440 said kill a. So, which is gonna be pretty cool. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.719 And we the first well, the first thing that happened 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.320 when we came to to Montana was it went to Yellerstone. Yeah. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.400 I mean that doesn't get much better than that. I 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.680 think that's a pretty good introduction. Yeah, what you know, 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:12.200 being from uh Scotland and coming here, obviously that's a 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.800 legendary place. I mean it's it's a place of held 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.800 in high regard in our country. And does it does 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:21.200 it hold up to the to the legend in your mind? Yeah? 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.200 It does. You know, everyone at home knows Yellowstone pretty 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.599 much everyone in the thing. Everybody knows Yellowstone. It's probably, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.640 I dare say it's probably the most well known national 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.760 park in the world. The other day in the UK, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.400 Like you'll be lucky if three or four national geographics 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.760 a year don't have something to do with the Yellowstone 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.640 in the UK. So, I mean it's it's widely known. Yeah, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.760 and it is. I mean it's I went to for 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.839 the first time two years ago and it was amazing. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.560 I mean there's not just a wildlife. Did you guys 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.320 go to the paint pots and go to the well. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.600 A lot of the roads are closed. There was only 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.200 sort of the main drags. There was only one of 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.320 the thermal areas that when you could get to, so 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.240 we were told it wasn't the most vivid, but it 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.480 was still cool to see. But it was the bison 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.920 that kind of behind blew us away. Was it's this, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.200 it's this icon of North America and it's this icon 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.600 of conservation and I kind of expected to go in 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.719 there and see them, but they might be over there 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.520 when we might have to know. Looking with the buyers 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.880 for an hour, and we were in there for all 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:35.479 of about thirty there's a bison, and it was like yeah. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.159 And then Tyler, who was driving us around and schurefeuring us, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.800 it's okay, you're gonna see that, And sure enough we 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:43.520 went around the next bend there was thirty and then 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.600 it was fifty. And then we went down to on 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.279 this plane where we were looking for one of the 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.599 wolf packs and there was maybe two or three hundred, 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.920 and it was like it kind of made me feel 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.679 like the early pioneers and how they must have felt, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.480 just like popping over the horizon and just seeing this awestness, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.200 this wilderness and all these animals everywhere. And I think 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.040 going in the wintertime, um, which I again I did 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.200 this winter for the first time and going in the 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.520 summertime it is a completely different experience. I mean it 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.320 completely and the summertime you just a traffic jams around 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.000 the Buffalo, you know, and and to go there and 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.360 just as like you said, to see it, you know, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.680 it's not untouched, but to see it rather unbothered. You know, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.520 we were pretty lucky there wasn't that many people on 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.240 the road that they were they were saying that it 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.760 was very quiet, which I'm glad. I'm you know, I'm 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.840 glad you got to experience it without without you know, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.200 a car load of people behind you, and that's you 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.200 know that that is the very you go in July 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.880 and you will have that. So it is we've talked 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.520 about on this podcast before. I feel I felt always 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.280 felt conflicted about that because I think it's it's as 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.160 great as you said, this great representation of what the 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.800 Western United States has to offer, and really there are 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.200 this this continent has to offer um. But sometimes you 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.680 go there and you feel like, man, I wish you 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.720 would wish we would have put a thumb on this 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:02.520 some years ago, but we talked about and passed on 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.280 some other conversations it being just a representative for wildlife, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.720 you know, being a place that everyone can go to 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.320 see what it's like in wild places without having to interact. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.520 Is not everybody will go and interact in the way 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.680 that it's important because it gives people. It gives people 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.000 a reason to be interested when they can see it 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.760 in in a tangible form. But we have the same 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.040 problem in Scotland and certain locations, not so much with wildlife, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.920 with landscape and like the Isle of Sky, which is 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:36.520 the most awesome place, and yet through the summer months 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.839 we just don't go there anymore because there's just so 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.480 many tourists And it's which which is because we're also 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.600 a tourists and it's it's a it's a conflict, isn't it, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.559 Because I don't want to be self and said, we 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.439 don't go there because I don't want you because you're 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.240 paining the ass, You're blocking all the roads and there's 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.880 two cars parked to go and you know, look at 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.640 a particular rock formation because I want to see it, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.760 so why should I not share it with everyone else? 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.280 But there's a difference here though they're paying to go 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.800 in they are paying and there they don't In Scotland. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.920 They don't they don't pay, and so it's it is 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.320 actually having detrimental impacts to the local people and the environment. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.839 Though also the scale is much bigger Yellowstone. I mean, 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.800 even if you do have loads and loads of people 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.120 disturbing wildlife on roads and potentially walking on trails, and 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.360 that it's so big that wildlife can move off into 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.960 its own area and not be disturbed. So we we 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.480 were doing the maths of of scale of Yellowstone and 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:35.360 it's just compared to what we have at home, it's colossal. Yeah, sure, Miles, Yes, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.960 it's just unbelievable. We think our national parks pick Yeah, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.720 it's just like a drop in the ocean. Yeah, No, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.040 I think it's it's I've come to appreciate the fact 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.599 that for what it represents, it represents a chance for 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.880 for people to go and see wildlife and be inspired 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.840 to go and learn more. Um. But sometimes when you 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.600 go there and there's a traffic gam for an hour 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.000 and a half to be old faithful, you think, damn, man, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.000 like this is what it what are we really doing 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.800 this the right way? But I feel like there's so 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.040 much positive that comes from and you can't you know, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:11.000 it's hard. It's hard to really focus on the negative. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.600 It's such a beautiful place. Yeah, it is. It blew 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.240 us away for sure. Good, it's good, and I'm glad 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:19.440 you got to, like say, I got to go there 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.760 in the winter experience it that way. Um, there's a 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.240 calumness there in the winter that there there certainly isn't. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.559 And we were learning something interesting yesterday because we saw 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.679 so many bison and we saw two elk fighting. We 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.319 were telling you about this the other day, fighting in 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.880 the petrol station. We put a picture of it. Uh, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.959 and we saw a handful of female elk. But we 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.920 were speaking to someone yesterday and they were telling us 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.080 how the olt population inside Yellowstone has declined so much 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.040 over the last twenty years, largely due to the wolf predation, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.320 which I hadn't I hadn't appreciate it at all. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.160 I mean it's it. It becomes. I think test case 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.120 is probably the wrong world, but that's what it becomes. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.000 I mean, it's an untouched landscape where the human interaction 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.920 is not allowed because there's no management. It'side Yellowstone Atoll, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.720 not no no. Um, there's you know, problem, animals are killed, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.760 there's interactions with humans. But there's no hunting based management 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.800 within within the Yellowstone at all. I'm uh. And you 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.240 know people love to hunt the edges had We had 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.040 a buddy out there doing that just the other day 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.079 for bison. Um. So it is it is this like 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.800 you know, often anti hunters or vegans would say, like, 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.000 wouldn't we just why do we have to prey upon animals? Now, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:33.600 you know, we can just go to the store and 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.720 eat meat, and let's let's allow the natural predator prey 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.120 balance to you know, let's reintroduce grisly bears, reintroduced wolves 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.400 in Serenade range and just let it go. And I 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.760 would say Yellowstone is a good example of what can 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.200 happen and what likely will. It's I think people don't 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.720 appreciate this quite the scale of landscape that you need 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.920 for wildlife to truly balance itself. As we've said, Yellowstone 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.840 is colossal. But the grand scheme of these massive migrations 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.840 that historically used to happen in the interactions of wildlife 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.440 across all of North America, which is a vast place, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.520 it's still relatively small. Everything is relative. It is small 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.920 in relation to North America, but it's large in relation 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.400 to a land mass in Scotland, and you know, I 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.840 think people it's very difficult for us to get our 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:27.400 heads around actually what scale you need? Yes, for wildlife 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.920 to look after itself. Um, So what else do you 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.280 guys do in Montana? Is there? Um? Is there anything 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.800 that that sticks out beyond the grand this is yellow Stunt? Well, 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.040 I think Daryl's probably. I mean, we've been meeting people. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.280 It's been you know, catching up with you and a 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.080 whole heap of other people that are been doing some 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.960 podcasts and also you know, we've we've been staying staying 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.199 with Tyler Sharp, editor Modern Huntsman. We've been we did 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:52.760 some stuff on volume two and we're going to be 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.839 doing some bits and pieces and working on volume three 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.280 as well. So that's been part of the reason for 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.559 being here. But I think Daryl probably managed to steal 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.719 the highlight of sort of activities because he was photographing 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.880 a bison hunt yesterday before, yeah, like two day, two 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.959 days ago. It was Yeah, it was pretty damn amazing 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.880 because especially when you're told we're going to go and 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.720 do a bison hunt and then you find out it's 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.079 on horseback as well. And it was last minute. We 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.240 come here knowing that this was going to happen, hooked 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.240 up for us while we're here, literally like twenty four 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.240 hours before. It was like yes or no, like you're 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:32.080 going and that So I went. And being on a 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.760 horse riding up into the mountains, it's kind of just 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.480 been a dream of mine for forever. And this is 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.440 what I was trying to tell the people I was with. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.200 I was like, I don't think you appreciate how special 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.120 this this is because they do all the time, but 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.200 this for them, this is a yearly thing. UM taking 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:53.959 horses up into the you know those mountains, and it 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.760 was it was annoying because I was taking pictures. I couldn't. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.960 I couldn't. Actually it's difficult to appreciate, appreciate, you know, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.800 just like when you're doing when you're doing a job. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.120 But also it was the added challenge of taking pictures 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:09.600 on horseback. So that was that that was interesting. But yeah, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.440 we rode higher and higher and you know wooded area 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.240 and UM went up this track and it was I mean, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.720 we didn't unfortunately didn't see anything at all. We saw 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.600 problems and you didn't see anybody, But that was right 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.280 at the bottom basically by the truck when we started. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.880 But yeah, it's funny as perspective there, because you know, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.720 from the hunter's perspective, who's from this area and does 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.560 that every year, it's like, wow, this is this is 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.040 an unsuccessful day. But to you, it's like this is 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.640 a day I'll remember for a long time. Like, yeah, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.160 I said this, and I was like, you do not. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.360 I appreciate this so much that I got to go along. Um, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.320 and you know, we were speaking for people back home, 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.480 and people back home literally save up for potentially their 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.200 whole life to do what I just did, so like, yeah, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.960 so it's so easy to forget the importance of the 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.360 things that are on your doorstep. And the same is 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.960 true for us. We live just below the Highland Faults 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.920 in Scotland, so when we look out from our office 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.680 the mountains start, that's the Highland Faults of of historic 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.920 Scotland right there. We've got like four castles like where 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:14.600 we live, and you know, we know, of course we 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.680 don't think about it. You guys live in a castle, right, yeah, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:23.600 of course everyone, but you know, we don't think about 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.280 it every day, and sometimes I do have to just 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.360 sit there normally with a brandy in hand or something 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.120 something like that, one of contemplation, juice and look at 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.200 the mountains and just take a deep breast, like this 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.840 is where I live, and the same is true for you, know, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.120 you the folks who live here and get to experience 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.840 what is really quite quite a unique thing. Horseback into 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.200 the mountains of Montana. Yeah. Yeah, everywhere I go, I 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.560 always I remember, prior to moving to Montana, when I 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.680 felt like I lived in a less impressive environment. I 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.280 would when I was coming here. But one of the 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.480 first questions I would ask the guide or whoever was 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.120 hosting me here, whomever I was with it lived in 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.920 that place, is like, did you ever does this ever 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.200 get old? Do you ever wake up and just like 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.480 breeze by the mountain and just forget what you're looking at, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.200 Like you forget that you're on the doorstep of the 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.680 Greater Eli Yelstone ecosystem that holds, you know, America's wildlife 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:22.160 treasures in it. I've been here for about three months, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.240 so hasn't hit me yet that I'm here, You know, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.960 It's like the reverse. I haven't yet got to appreciate 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.880 it because I'm not I don't think I've it's hit 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.840 me that I live here and intend to live here 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.560 for a long time, So I mean it is, that's 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.320 it's the opposite. But you're right. I mean, I'm sure 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.200 people are lived all their life. There's days they wake 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.320 up and they just breeze through life and they forget. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.040 You get busy, and you get busy with life, just 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.120 human nat. I'm just glad. I've spent quite a few 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.440 years learning to ride horses back home, and it's quite 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:54.320 different here, different saddles and a different environment. Uh you know, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.560 the most we ever did was kind of trails and 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.440 across fields, kind of hacking across farmer's fields and things 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.400 like that, but into the mountains as such, because we 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.400 don't have we don't have this kind of wooded alpine 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.280 steep areas that you can just ride a horse into. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.639 It doesn't it doesn't exist back home. So that was 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:22.119 pretty pretty cool. My horse was called Shrek talk. I 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.560 appreciate that he was pretty chilled because I was clicking 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.960 the camera obviously above his head and the guy though, 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:28.720 and the horse was like, yeah, it might be a 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.520 bit edgy with that, because that's making the same noise 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.720 as the electric fence in his paddock right above his head, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.600 and he was a bit edgy for the first ten 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:42.680 minutes and then he kind of just easy easy now. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.159 I mean it's good to hear that you have that 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.359 perspective and coming all the way across the world like 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.719 you did to have that experience. I appreciate that too. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.000 And and for my for my money, I'll do my 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.960 best not to ever to not you know, to lose 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.760 perspective on this place. And you know what it is, 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:04.320 and yeah, I think that's that's why people here want 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.919 to fight for it so much, fight for access to it, 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.240 fight for for its health, and it's you know, the 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.560 health of these ecosystems, because it's because it is such 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:17.800 a prize. For me, Montana was one of these locations 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.000 that was always on the bucket list for visiting. And 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.720 it's going to be a little bit cheesy, but that 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.080 started with a river runs through it. Incredible. I mean 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.000 it's even today. I mean it is a piece of 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.960 cinema for sure. It's a it's a beautiful film hired 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:38.840 from the local library on tape exactly on VHS and 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.480 just seeing that, I mean it was it was the mountains, 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.119 it was the river, it was the fish. It was 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.560 obviously of a different period, and I am probably somewhat 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:51.320 guilty of hankering for periods of the past true of 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.960 North America, and it was That's probably one of the 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.080 reasons I have spent so much time in Africa. But 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.840 because of that, it was always it was what was 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:05.119 the catalyst from my intrigue of North America and understanding 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.480 what happened here historically. And of course you guys have 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.480 a fascinating story. Yeah, I mean, it's you know, fascinating 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.400 wildlife story. But I think you know I was doing 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.080 this earlier. I just thought, what if I if I 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.960 google hunting in Scotland, what's going to come up? Nothing 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.680 comes up. There's no good information, at least in my searching, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.040 Like there's no here is the pre eminent source to 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.480 learn about hunting in Scotland or or you know, hunting 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.479 in the United Kingdom, over and above that. It's interesting, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.399 you say, because funny enough, I was just thinking the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.560 other day because I write, I write a back page 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.919 of Hunting magazine at home, and when I took it 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.800 over it was always on historical figures in hunting. And 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.720 when I took it over. I said, I'm not just 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.800 gonna make about historical figures, but I'm going to make 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.240 it about historical and current figures. And it's going to 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.080 be people who have not only been important for hunting, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.600 but also important for conservation, even if they had nothing 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.800 to do with hunting. So I think it's important many 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.120 of them did, especially the historical figures. And it's very 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.320 very easy to find awesome examples in the rest of 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.640 the world. I mean North America is full of them, yes, 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.280 just some great examples in Africa and India and the 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.399 rest of the world. And we do have them in 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.560