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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is not My

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Speaker 1: name is Nol. They called me Ben. You are you

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know?

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about something that that might seem odd

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Speaker 1: for listeners of our show because we don't typically talk

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Speaker 1: about automobiles. Well, you do in another life, in another incarnation.

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Speaker 1: We know that conspiracies can occur in any realm or discipline,

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Speaker 1: and cars are really no different. So whether you out there,

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Speaker 1: whether you were in Briton, Nebraska, Argentina or paul or

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Speaker 1: whether you consider yourself a gear head or not. Odds

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Speaker 1: are that you've heard about all this kind of skullduggery

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Speaker 1: insidious governments. And you know, we we all know stories

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Speaker 1: like that, right like who killed the electric car? Perfect example?

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Speaker 1: And what's what's that? What's a documentary just about how

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Speaker 1: would have, you know, displaced some of the pollution caused

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Speaker 1: And then also that ties into the idea of car

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Speaker 1: get into. So there there are many, many stories like this,

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Speaker 1: and Tennessee, there's a Japanese company that I believe may

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Speaker 1: It just seems like an arbitrary association, their arbitrary verbs.

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Speaker 1: It's it's groping, groping the tip. That sounds weird, hey,

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Speaker 1: It's definitely, uh listen, he's definitely into the nut some

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Speaker 1: can hear more about these allegations, especially technological suppression, in

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Speaker 1: as a building block to to build the body of

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Speaker 1: a car, the panels that you see there. And there's

426
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: another factor here that doesn't really rear its ugly head

427
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: quite yet, but we're gonna get into that and we'll

428
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: we'll see if you can figure out and guess what

429
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: it is. So rumor has it that one day, at

430
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: some point in the past, Henry Ford visited the Deerfield

431
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: Village Trade School and he learned about a crop that

432
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: was at this point in time obscure and largely relevant

433
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: in the West, and that was the soybean. And this

434
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: dude got obsessed with the soybean. He loved him. He

435
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: he was probably one of the first Americans to ever

436
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: drink this thing called soy milk. M m m m

437
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: m m m mmm. And he did it on a

438
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: regular basis. Do you guys drink soy milk? No? I do,

439
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: like at a mammy them. Yeah, at a mommy is

440
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: the business, But soy milk not my jam. He loved it. Though,

441
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: I've had some almond milk that I enjoyed. It's not

442
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: really milk what it's it's some almond concentrate. In some

443
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: other things suspended in a milky liquid. Yeah. Well, he

444
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: even held a lunch for journalists at the N four

445
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: World's Fair where he served in all soy menu. We're

446
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: talking soy crackers, soy bread, soy cheese, straight up soy beans,

447
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: probably soyed milk, and so on uh. And he also

448
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: believed the versatility of this drop doesn't need to be

449
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: limited solely to food stuffs. I felt that soy he

450
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: was consuming. I'm really starting to feel like behind the

451
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: scenes he might have been doing a little little tokey tokey.

452
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought you meant he was gonna be

453
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: having a lot of gas. Well soy beans. That maybe

454
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: that too. There were studies that have come out in

455
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: the past few years at allege excessive consumption of soy uh,

456
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: including you know, products like tofu and stuff can disrupt

457
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: termonal levels or raise estrogen levels. And dudes, I don't

458
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: know how true that is. I haven't read the studies myself.

459
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: So he thought this stuff is so useful. You know,

460
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: He's hanging out with his entourage of people that he

461
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: hasn't like killed or fired yet, and he's going, man, soybeans,

462
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: They're so amazing and I bet we could use them

463
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: to build a car instead of just a buffet. And

464
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: everyone's like what, And he's like, you're fired, and everybody

465
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: else says, oh, great idea. So it hopes of building

466
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: a cheaper, more durable, lighter car. He originally enlisted the

467
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: help of and this guy is important, a stylist named

468
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: et Gregory. However, Henry Ford did not like the work

469
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: that this guy and his team were producing, so he

470
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: took him off the project and instead he handed it

471
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: to a guy named low Overly and Lowell before he

472
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: was working at Ford's soybean laboratory, he did have a

473
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: dedicated soybean laboratory. Uh Overly was designing tools and die

474
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: and Overly, because he wasn't a chemist, found a chemist

475
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: named Robert Boyer, and Boyer is the real like hero

476
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: of this story or question mark in this story. August,

477
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: at a thing called Dearborn Days this community festival and Dearborn, Michigan,

478
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: Henry Ford unveils what is called the soybean Car. The

479
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: frame was made of tubular steel and had fourteen different

480
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: plastic panels connected to it um. This was a two

481
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: thousand pound car, which was a good thousand pounds lighter

482
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: than a steel car. That's a big deal. Possibly a

483
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: little dangerous now maybe right, um, But anyway, lightweight plastic windows,

484
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: and it had a one thirty six c I D

485
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: flathead Ford V eight sixty horsepower drive train, so not

486
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: not bad at all for the time. Here's the thing,

487
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: here's why we hear it called a hemp car so often.

488
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Some people might be wondering why we go from hemp

489
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: to soybeans. The exact ingredients of these plastic panels made

490
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: by the chemist Robert A. Boyer are unknown because no

491
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: record of this formula exists. Today, you'll see articles claiming

492
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: that the panels were made from a chemical formula that

493
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: included many ingredients soybeans, wheat, hemp, flax, and some other stuff. However,

494
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: that guy we talked about, who was sort of the

495
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: bureaucratic or business head tool designer Lowell overly claims that

496
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: it was soybean fiber in a resin with formalde hyde

497
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: used to to impregnate the soybean fiber into the resin.

498
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: But that's still second hand. We literally don't know what

499
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: Robert boy or the chemist designed. We know they experimented

500
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: with several stuff. And there's no question that this approach

501
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: to design have potential lighter weight, makes it more efficient,

502
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, uh, and gave it the ability to pay

503
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: on the engine for a high level of performance. Because

504
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: right now, so much material science in race cars or

505
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: exotic supercars, your neighborhood, Lamborghini and what have you, so

506
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: much energy is focused on making engines bigger, but also

507
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: making everything else in the car much much lighter, which

508
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: is why people are all twitter painted about carbon fiber. Uh. However,

509
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: Ford was also convinced that not just would this make

510
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: it more efficient, but this would also save lives in

511
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: the car, that it would be more durable and safer

512
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: and able to roll without crushing. So there are instances

513
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: or anecdotes where apparently who walk up and you would

514
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: have a steel panel, and then he would have one

515
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: of these miracle mystery plastic panels and take a bat

516
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: and just knock the living tar out of it, and

517
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: then the panel would bounce back and then the steel

518
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: would be all dented and stuff. He was always finding

519
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: reasons to hit things. But this is one thing we

520
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: need to remember. Like you said, Ben, this is essentially

521
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: a prototype. It was created so this is a small

522
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: batch of whatever material Bowyer created. It doesn't have to

523
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: be this giant, industrial size vat thing. That's true. That's

524
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: a big that's a great point. And and Ford, like

525
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: many industrialists, foresaw a possible and serious shortage of metal

526
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: in the future. He wanted to get ahead of the game.

527
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: In that summer, in the golden summer of one, the

528
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: car made two public appearances, that's it, one in Dearborn

529
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: and one to Michigan State Fairgrounds. And after those appearances,

530
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: I am sad to say, it got destroyed yep, so

531
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: no one could ever use it again and find out

532
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: the secrets of the Soybean vehicle. According to overly, the

533
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: toolmaker who took over that project, the guy who only

534
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: had the job et Gregory, he was the one who

535
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: ordered it destroyed, not Henry Ford, really, and we may

536
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: never know exactly why. So that other factor that we

537
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the the upcoming loss of steel resources, Yeah,

538
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: that that did happen, and it was even worse than

539
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: forded imagined that. This thing called the attack on Pearl

540
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: Harbor occurred in December of the same year and the

541
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: US was drawn into World War Two. So guess what

542
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: all that steel that would have been used for these vehicles.

543
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: It was going into weapon production, creating all kinds of tanks, airplanes,

544
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: different kinds of war vehicles, the birth of America as

545
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: his superpower. Absolutely, there was a second unit in production,

546
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: a second plastic car, swiping car, hemp car, whatever you

547
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: wanna call it, in production. This was also halted during

548
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: World War Two, and when the dust settled, almost everyone

549
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: had forgotten about the curious soybean car. And today there

550
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: are questions that remained. First, why don't we know the

551
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: composition this miracle plastic? Was it bake light? Was it

552
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe like the plastic substance on the trabant? And why

553
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: did the guy who originally lost the project become the

554
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: one who destroyed it. If there were a conspiracy of

555
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: what to suppress this technology, where would originate from steel manufacturers,

556
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: agricultural executives. Did they just lose the formula because it

557
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: wasn't that good of an idea? Was it actually created

558
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: by all of these organic substances they're talking about? Or

559
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: was it was it a little wink wink nod nod,

560
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: maybe just more plastic? Right? Was it not as special

561
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: as they said it was? Yeah, let's not forget Henry

562
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: Ford was consistently trying throughout his entire life to marry

563
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: and meld agriculture and industries. A lot of people don't

564
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: know this, but so the first model Teas come out

565
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: in right, the original model Teas could be run off

566
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: a hemp based fuel, and it was only due to

567
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: economy of scale when gas became cheaper that they said, okay,

568
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: we'll just get rid of the himp option. But originally, uh,

569
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: he wont implant based fuels. Yeah, he's pushing so hard

570
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: for ethanol. He thought that was the way we were

571
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: going to move. And the story doesn't end here because

572
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: as as we're recording this, multiple people around the globe

573
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: are researching the growing potential of HIMP as a fuel source.

574
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Uh and beyondd not necessarily for car construction, although there

575
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: is a guy, a former Dell executive that is sort

576
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: of taking uh, Henry Ford's idea or his secret formula

577
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: and kind of running with it. This is a man

578
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: named Bruce Michael Dietson who lives in Florida and has

579
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: constructed from a Mazda chassis, a car made entirely from

580
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: sort of a woven cannabis hemp material. And as Ben

581
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: was talking about comparing the bodies of modern supercars and

582
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: things with that carbon fiber, it does have on us

583
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: like a woven look to it when you look at

584
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: it and you can see the grain of the material,

585
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: and it is this is incredibly light and um he

586
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: is attempting to kind of like debunk the stigma that

587
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: is associated with hemp, which, as it turns out, is

588
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: still illegal to grow in Florida. Dietson actually had to

589
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: import the woven kind of fabric like material from China

590
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: and um, the body is ten times more dent resistant

591
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: than steel. Uh, and it wouldn't need nearly as much

592
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: body work after an accident. Um. He used a hundred

593
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: pounds of woven hemp And if you look at the car,

594
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: it's a really cool, sporty, nice looking kind of modern design. UM.

595
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: The article here takes great care in using lots of

596
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: marijuana puns quote. Building the car was no pipe dream

597
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: for Dietson, who found inspiration after hearing about famed industrialists

598
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: Henry Ford using the durable material in one to build

599
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: the world's first soybean hemp car. Um and it cost

600
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: him two grand to make this car. So you know,

601
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: he is going out on a limb financially to kind

602
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: of bring this back into public consciousness a little bit.

603
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting experiment for sure. And this

604
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: is two thousand and sixteen, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

605
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: jump in to defend this guy. Know you you brought

606
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: us this story. Uh what I What I have to

607
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: say is, whenever somebody does the first iteration of something,

608
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: or whenever they do it on their own and it's

609
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: their first iteration, even it with someone else's idea, it's

610
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: gonna be expensive. So the fact that he could do

611
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: it for two d grand and that's it is pretty

612
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: low and pretty speaks pretty highly of his approach. So

613
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: the thought then would be that if if he manages

614
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: to get people to to say, well, maybe we've been

615
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: giving this material a bad rap, then the next cars,

616
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, like A hundred and ten thousand, and then

617
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: on and on and on until ultimately, ideally, if we're

618
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, you know, every everybody gets gets

619
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: one for free. WHOA yeah. And this model it does

620
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: run on biofuel, which is something I wanted to bring up.

621
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: It uses recycled agricultural waste. And I remember, I mean

622
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: a decade ago, more than a decade ago. I remember

623
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: bands hearing about bands touring and converted like school buses

624
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: that could take veggie diesels what they called it, and

625
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: you could strain out and process friar used friar grease

626
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: to actually fuel your vehicle. And it's like, why don't

627
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: we hear more about that? I mean, it's just you know, well,

628
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: it's that's the thing. Ford knew. It was possible to

629
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: ferment vegetable materials and other plant materials to create fuel,

630
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: and you could do it, and it's possible. The problem was,

631
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: and it is now the oil industry. I mean, that's

632
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: why cars are made out of plastic. That's why they

633
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: run on oil. That's that's what we're where it is

634
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: because it's cheap enough. There the infrastructures in place to

635
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: produce it. Right, there's a there's a thing that happens.

636
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: We talk about this a lot in international affairs or

637
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Speaker 1: international economic matters. There's a thing that happens when you

638
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Speaker 1: have an economy of scale that has inundated an industry

639
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: or region. You know, coal clearly is not the best

640
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: answer for a lot of things, right, but if we

641
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: have an infrastructure completely designed for coal, then it de

642
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: facto becomes the best answer for now. You know, it's

643
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: like that that old joke you see people talking about

644
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: Mr Wright versus Mr Right Now or whatever. Okay, that's

645
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: on some inspirational memes somewhere, I'm sure, but that is

646
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: the that's the situation where now. And this is i'm

647
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Speaker 1: sure story from history, but it has implications for the

648
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: present and for the future. A lot of people forget

649
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: just how powerful the manufacturing companies are. And we say manufacturing,

650
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: we're not talking about the people manufacture stuff directly for

651
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: you to buy. In most cases, we're talking about the

652
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: places that sell to those manufacturers. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: organizations that own those manufacturers. The most powerful companies on

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Speaker 1: this planet are the companies that you will rarely ever

655
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: hear of. And it would be nice for us to

656
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: do a show on that in the future if we

657
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: unless they own us too, I don't know. Well, let's

658
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Speaker 1: talk to I gu and see what they have to say. Yeah,

659
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: we check Corimination Global Unlimited. But in the meantime, while

660
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: we're writing a letter to them, that reminds us of

661
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: writing letters which means it's time for shut at Conners.

662
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Speaker 1: Our first message comes from Ashley. The subject line says,

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Speaker 1: Putin a spy in the USA? Is that a pun

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Speaker 1: in the U. S. Army? In the U S. Army?

665
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: That's what it says. Uh, let's find out. She says, yes.

666
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: I totally intended that title to be a a Putin,

667
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: as in Vladimir Putin pun. Wow, that's great. I thought,

668
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: all with all the Russia talk, I'd get around to

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Speaker 1: sharing this story about my grandfather. I've been holding onto

670
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: this for you all, hoping that I'd actually get to

671
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: sit down and write or record this story. But we

672
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: rarely see each other, and he was not at this

673
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: year's Christmas function for a family of hermits. Any who,

674
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: my grandfather was in the U. S. Marines in the

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Speaker 1: late nineteen fifties. He served time in the Pacific and

676
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: also once bummed a cigarette to Lee Harvey Oswald, then

677
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: known as the idiot who shot himself in the foot.

678
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Grandpa says foot, history says elbow. And apparently he caught

679
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: a glimpse of an SR seventy one blackbird and a

680
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: hangar well before they were public knowledge, and was told

681
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: to essentially move along, here's where it gets good, right.

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Speaker 1: Grandpa also talks about a man named Bobby Robinson. Now,

683
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: this gentleman was a quiet man, incredibly bright, but kept

684
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: to himself, didn't socialize, and wasn't well liked. He also

685
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: didn't go out with others to bars and other off

686
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: base excursions, but he tended to vanish for periods of

687
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: time by himself. That sounds familiar. Mm hmmm. I don't

688
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Speaker 1: remember if Grandpa ever said what role he played. But

689
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: after him and his comrades all came home and went

690
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: on with their life, they started to get back in

691
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: touch with old military buddies. Except no one knew whatever

692
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: happened to good old Robbie Robinson. No one knew where

693
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: he was, what had become of him, and never made

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Speaker 1: any contact. He was pretty much forgotten until one day,

695
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: many many years ago, Grandpa was watching TV, and what

696
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: do you know, there was Robbie Robinson, except this time

697
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: he was a Russian politician and he was calling himself

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00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. Grandpa claims of this day that the resemblance

699
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: is striking, and with all the recent Russian hacker talk

700
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: and the history of spies which in our countries. Well,

701
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: maybe what say you? Perhaps an episode dealing with the

702
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: history of Vladimir Putin? Uh? Is it what the history

703
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: books say or is there more? I love your podcast,

704
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: your shows one of the first ones I found when

705
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: I started listening to them and tech stuff, and I

706
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: was so annoyed that you were the only uh, that

707
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: you were only doing videos at the time. Much love.

708
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: That's very very sweet actually in a cool story about

709
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: her grandfather. Both with Lee are Harvey Oswald and this

710
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: gentleman that may have been a spy and now runs Russia. Yeah.

711
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: I find this fascinating, especially because we don't often talk

712
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: about in the mainstream media. We don't often talk about

713
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: the deep state, and how former President H. W. Bush

714
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: was in charge of the CIA before becoming the president

715
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: of the US, and how Vladimir Putin was in charge

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Speaker 1: of the KGB. There is a famous picture of Vladimir

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00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Putin as a photographer when Ronald Reagan, I believe visits

718
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: visits Russia one day, I'm going to maybe post that

719
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: in response, will post it somewhere on the internet. But

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you writing it, and I'd love to

721
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: look into that because honestly, Ashley, the global public doesn't

722
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: know very much about Vladimir Putin's personal life. Here, just

723
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: for just for giggles between us, I'll show you guys

724
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: the picture. See there's President Reagan and they're on the

725
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: right in the circle. He has more hair in this picture.

726
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: It looks like a like a tourist, like a dad.

727
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: You know. He's got like a striped polo shirt on

728
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: and has a camera around his neck. It's like he's

729
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: a vacationing at Disney World, right, right, Maybe he's posing.

730
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: Is that kid's dad? That kid had a weird day.

731
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: But it's common knowledge that there have been embedded spy

732
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 1: programs in the US and Russia during the Cold War.

733
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Speaker 1: And I'll watch the Show of the Americans, which concerns

734
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Speaker 1: itself with some of that. Next shout out comes from

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00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: alex um High Conspiracy Guys. First off, I love the show.

736
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for getting me through the work day. I have

737
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: recently been digging into your old podcast and we're listening

738
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: to the one about the jfk assassination. You mentioned that

739
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: there was a classified file with secrets possibly concerning this

740
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: that could be opened by the president in ten with

741
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: the inauguration in less than two weeks. I was wondering

742
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: if you have heard anything more about this or if

743
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: you think that Trump will release any of this information. Well,

744
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: if he wants to prove that Ted Cruz's dad had

745
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: something to do with it, I sure hope he unseals

746
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: that document. That's just my two sents, Um. I also

747
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: listened to both of your episodes on whistleblowers, which I

748
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: found very interesting. With everything going on with the election

749
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: and Russia, it would be great if you could do

750
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: another update on this info as well as update us

751
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: on the people like Edward Snowden that you had previously

752
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: talked about. Again. Love the show, Um, Alex. Great letter

753
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: from Alex, Thank you for writing in. We can give

754
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: a very small update on this information. So the thing

755
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: that we know now is that out of the wealth

756
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: of documentation surrounding the JFK assassination, the National Archives released

757
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: a list in of three thousand and a hundred, three

758
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: thousand and sixty three documents that have been fully withheld.

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00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: That's that's the way to say it. This doesn't necessarily

760
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: mean that these are all like the first alien contact arrived.

761
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bullet that went through his head it

762
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: was a spaceship or anything like that, although that would

763
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: be really strangely cool. What this means is that I

764
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: just haven't released this stuff. We don't know what it is,

765
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: so of course you speculator from runs Rampant. The documents

766
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: were listed. They were released in response to a freedom

767
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: of information act from the political Outfit and a group

768
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: of other researchers and organizations. They were all collected by

769
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Speaker 1: the Assassination Records Review Board, and that was something that

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00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: was created by a thing called the JFK Records Act.

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00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: That same act, that JFK Records Act requires that all

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00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: the documents on that list of fully withheld stuff be

773
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Speaker 1: released by October. So October of this year is our update, Alex,

774
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: unless the next president decides to keep them classified via

775
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: executive order or something like that. So at this point

776
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: were saw on the wire, were several months out from

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00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: seeing what these do contain. And the National Archives when

778
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: they released this list of documents, they didn't say you

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00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: know what's in them at all. We can't emphasize that enough.

780
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: They just said, here are the things that we have

781
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: that you don't know about, which is terrible. That's like

782
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: when somebody do you ever get a text from one

783
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: of your friends, it's just like we need to talk.

784
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: I hate that. Just don't just send me the thing.

785
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: I will read your long text message. So our final

786
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: shout out is from Michelle m and Michelle wrote in

787
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: with an interesting question. I want to see what you

788
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: guys think of it. I want to see what you

789
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: think of it as too as well. Listeners. Michelle says, uh,

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Speaker 1: great show. Thank you for keeping my mind occupied while

791
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing the kind of work that only uses the

792
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: other half of my brain parentheses. I'm a designer, I've

793
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: learned a ton, so she says, straight to it, You

794
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: guys should cover weddings. There might not be a huge

795
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory in there, or maybe there is, but the

796
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: wedding industry definitely makes huge money by making women and

797
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: girls believe from a young age that they need to

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00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: have a beautiful event with all sorts of frills and

799
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: bells and whistles, and they need to be more beautiful

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00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: than humanly possible because it's their special day. And when

801
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: you actually look into it, most of the wedding conventions

802
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: or patriarchal or just playing archaic and meaningless. Now, for example,

803
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: brides originally carried a bouquet to mask the stench of

804
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: their poor hygiene back in the day when people stank

805
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: all the time, But now bouquets and flowers for for decoration,

806
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: and they're seen as a convention that the wedding industry

807
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: keeps pushing because they make so much money from people

808
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: buying hugely marked up flowers. As you may have guessed,

809
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: says Michelle, I'm engaged in planning my wedding. Well, hey,

810
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: you know what, congratulations for sure, it's huge. Congratulations Michelle.

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Speaker 1: And yet even though I know all these traditions are

812
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: meaningless and patriarchal and taking my money, I'm still doing them. Uh.

813
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: And she talks a little more in detail about this industry,

814
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: since she sums it up by saying, so, basically, the

815
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: wedding industry is brainwashed almost all women in this country

816
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: many others. Please tell me how they did it, because

817
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: my emotions have definitely been manipulated for profit. I've been

818
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: conditioned to want stupid and expensive things. I was gonna

819
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: say this are my as me of the diamonds episode,

820
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 1: and she mentions that right here that we've already covered

821
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Speaker 1: diamonds and may have covered weddings, but now I don't

822
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: believe we have in this uh, in this amount of debt.

823
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: We we have not, and it would it would be

824
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Speaker 1: great to get some of our colleagues in on this

825
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: to who might have more expertise. I mean, my position

826
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Speaker 1: on the whole thing is like, you can make your

827
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Speaker 1: wedding whatever you want it to be sure, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you it's easy to feel susceptible to these

829
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Speaker 1: pie in the sky big wedding special day scenarios, But

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00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean you can have a family affair and invite

831
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Speaker 1: your friends and do the directive decoration yourself, or get

832
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Speaker 1: some crafty friends to help you and have it be

833
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: just wonderful, you know, like that's what my wedding was. Like,

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Speaker 1: I would say it depends on your family, because in

835
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Speaker 1: my experience, weddings are about the family, like appeasing the

836
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: family whatever their wishes are, more than the individual uh

837
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: couple getting married like that. We can also I just

838
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: wanted not to be too luciferian about it, but you

839
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: are not beholden to other people except for the one

840
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: you're marrying, right ideally, so if you want to just

841
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: elope and then take the money, you would have spent

842
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: and have an adventure around the world with someone you love.

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00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe if I was in someone's family

844
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, we're not doing a wedding because

845
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: we're going to spend the money traveling the world, I'd

846
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: be like, that's amazing, that's great. Plus yeah, Plus it

847
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: means that I don't have to go somewhere and uh,

848
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: interact in a crowd. I'm all about that. I will

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