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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire? Fam hits me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: January thirtieth, Oh boy, Massive Monster night in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Last night, we will talk about Joel Embid sitting. Are

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Speaker 2: you guys seeing that he only can miss a certain

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Speaker 2: amount of games left to be qualified for all NBA?

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Speaker 2: I mean, are people gonna vote him MVP? I think

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be a fun topic. Obviously, we got two

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Speaker 2: weeks to fill now before the Super Bowl happens, so

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Speaker 2: we'll do a bunch of NFL, but we will start

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Speaker 2: to do NBA. And there's this kind of a sad

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Speaker 2: warrior story that we're gonna dig into here shortly. You

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Speaker 2: guys know I'm a Steph Curry guy, but it's not

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Speaker 2: looking good for Gold. They legitimately could miss the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But first I want to start with the NFL. And

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously we're gonna do plenty of Niner chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I maintain I have zero bets on this game, leaning

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Speaker 2: toward a teaser, teasing up the Niners and teasing the

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Speaker 2: total under but I want to I want to just

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Speaker 2: pivot a little bit to one of the teams that

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Speaker 2: was on the doorstep, the Detroit Lions, super close to

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I was at my buddies, one of

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Speaker 2: the great Fox members houses, watching the game, and you know,

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Speaker 2: he's a Detroit guy. He's celebrating the Michigan Natty and

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Speaker 2: thought he could get another one with Detroit. And it's

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Speaker 2: weird because the Lions were so close. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: this happen so many times. A team overachieves, gets to

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Speaker 2: be right back here next year. Dan Marino is the

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Speaker 2: most famous example, gets there in his second year, lighting

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Speaker 2: the league on fire, and then never gets back to

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl. Joe Burrow and again he's got plenty

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Speaker 2: now every year it's like, oh, Joe Burrow is gonna

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Speaker 2: get to the super Bowl, right, Well, they gotta pay him,

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Speaker 2: they gotta pay Jamar Chase, and it ain't easy. Some

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Speaker 2: And I just you know, Dan Campbell said some stuff

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Speaker 2: to get back there, and he ain't Lyon, lion you

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Speaker 2: like to see what I did there, Lion Lyon. First

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Speaker 2: of all, for starters, you're gonna play the first play schedule,

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Speaker 2: and the division is absolutely gonna be brutal next year.

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Speaker 2: You guys know, I'm all in on O'Connell in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a very good coach. Caleb Williams likely

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Speaker 2: number one pick, Bear's arrow pointing all the way up.

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Speaker 2: And then you got Jordan Love and the Packers who

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Speaker 2: smacked around the Vikings in Detroit, who nearly took down

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Speaker 2: the Niners in the playoffs, who smashed Dallas. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: whoa arrow pointing up for Green Bay too. Now, let's

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Speaker 2: see what happens with Jordan Love this offseason. But like

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Speaker 2: this idea that, oh, Detroit's gonna be like a contender

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Speaker 2: for years to come. Hello, Ben Johnson is probably gonna

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Speaker 2: get a job, maybe today. He's definitely getting Seattle or Washington.

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Speaker 2: He's getting one of those two jobs. We know that,

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Speaker 2: we just don't know which one. So now you lose

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Speaker 2: Jared goffsa veteran, everything could be fine. Well, are we

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Speaker 2: sure Let's just remember what happened to Jalen Hurts when

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Speaker 2: he lost Shane Steichen. I mean, Jalen Hurts was not

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Speaker 2: the same quarterback, the offense was not the same, and

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Speaker 2: they had Hurts his guy in there, Brian Johnson, who

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Speaker 2: was the quarterback coach. So just simply promoting within not

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Speaker 2: a slam dunk. How about Josh Allen loses Brian Dable. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. They got

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Speaker 2: Dables right hand. Dorsey, he was with the Terrible, was

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Speaker 2: this idea that they're gonna lose Ben Johnson to be okay, folks,

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Speaker 2: That's just not how it works. And I'll remind you

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Speaker 2: first place schedule is absolutely brutal. Here are just some

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Speaker 2: the opponents are Detroit will host Buffalo, they will travel

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Speaker 2: divisional opponents. It used to be this division stunk, and

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Speaker 2: now they have to play Jacksonville, who's good, and Trevor

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Speaker 2: They got the Colts, another team arrow pointing up, barely

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Speaker 2: They get the Rams at home, folks, that is that's

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Speaker 2: a lethal schedule. They have Seahawks. That game's never a layup.

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Speaker 2: They do get them at home. Again. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: gotta pay Aiden Hutchison Like this stuff. Your windows are

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Speaker 2: so tight. I don't know, Rob, I'm not super optimistic

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Speaker 1: No I would agree and you know, I hate to

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Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts his new contract was gonna kick. He's

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Speaker 1: Hurts regressed, so on, and so forth. Something similar could

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Speaker 1: happen with the Detroit Lions next season. It was reported

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Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon, quietly by the way, by the NFL

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Speaker 1: Network that Jared Goff is going to be looking to

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Speaker 1: get a new contract this offseason because he'll be entering

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Speaker 1: nobody ever wants to do that. If you're a coach

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Speaker 1: while you can. According to Ian Rappaport, though, the deal

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Speaker 1: no issue with Jared Goff getting all the money he can.

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Speaker 1: But you know the way things are, somebody's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Number two, you brought it up. Ben Johnson's gonna be gone,

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Speaker 1: And I could make a case, as much as I

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Speaker 1: great offense. Whoever gets him, whether it's Washington or Seattle's

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Speaker 1: Bar Nunn, period, point blank.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know, Aaron Glenn was interviewing

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Speaker 1: suddenly you're back in this situation with Dan Campbell with

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Speaker 1: Those are a dying breed in today's NFL. Yes, Siriani,

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Speaker 1: But it's really really difficult to keep this train moving

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Speaker 1: knowing that the division is getting better, knowing that your

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Speaker 1: it's a really really sketchy situation for Detroit moving forward.

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Speaker 2: And again, listen, you have the charm season. I'll never

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Speaker 2: forget with Sanchez at quarterback of the Jets. They go

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Speaker 2: they go to the AFC Championship game and we're like,

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Speaker 2: Next year has to be in the super Bowl and

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Speaker 2: Rob this is not hyperple. They have not been to

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Speaker 2: built well but again and NFC is just only going

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Speaker 2: I expect, like you, the Eagles to bounce back. By

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Speaker 2: the way, did they officially hire Kellen Moore or is

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Speaker 2: that just like a rumor.

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Speaker 1: It's been reported, but you haven't seen the official press

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Speaker 1: the Player Empowerment Era, and Steph Curry surprisingly has been

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Speaker 1: the only superstar I can think of that has somehow

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Speaker 1: avoided this situation through the entirety of his prime years.

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Speaker 1: We saw Lebron, Kevin Durant, Kawhi, Leonard Jokic hasn't had

430
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Speaker 1: to make that decision yet, but I'm feeling that's going

431
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Speaker 1: to be coming here relatively soon because you can't realistically

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Speaker 1: pay all of those guys, I don't think, especially in

433
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Speaker 1: a small market like Denver, So you're going to be

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Speaker 1: into a situation where it's either Steph, We're going to

435
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Speaker 1: keep the Steph Clay and Dre trio alive. Hopefully we

436
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Speaker 1: can ride onto the sunset and try to get another

437
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: ring here, which would be the romantic thing to do,

438
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Speaker 1: or you do the practical thing and you say, hey,

439
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Speaker 1: Draymond's falling off a cliff offensively, Clay Thompson is a

440
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Speaker 1: shell of himself. That's what a torn acl and a

441
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Speaker 1: torn Achillers will do to you. Our young guys have

442
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Speaker 1: not hit The two track plan did not work. We

443
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Speaker 1: tried doing it, didn't work out quite. We snuck our

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Speaker 1: way into a championship. But it wasn't because we were

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Speaker 1: so smart. It was because Steph Curry went nuclear for

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Speaker 1: an entire playoff run. Basically, we do That's kind of

447
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Speaker 1: what happened. So Steph, do we trade these guys and

448
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Speaker 1: try to build around you while you're still near or

449
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Speaker 1: at the top of your game. And if they put

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Speaker 1: the ball in Steph Curry's court, I imagine just what

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Speaker 1: we hear about him, people who know him. He's gonna say,

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Speaker 1: don't trade these guys. I came in with them, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go out with them. I'm gonna die on my sword.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. And if he does that,

455
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Speaker 1: while he'll garner a lot of respect in the basketball

456
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Speaker 1: community and in sports alike, I think you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a lot of Warrior fans, especially be kind of salty

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Speaker 1: about it, because he's absolutely good enough to be the

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Speaker 1: best player in a championship team. The problem is the

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Speaker 1: rest of the guys are not good enough to be

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Speaker 1: part of a championship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Warriors fans don't want to hear this.

463
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Speaker 2: But I had a buddy, a local dad, who texted

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Speaker 2: me and again, I wasn't watching the game. I was

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Speaker 2: driving back from my son's volleyball tournament. How can he

466
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Speaker 2: be How can Curry be considered one of the best

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Speaker 2: ever when he gets pulled from the game with a

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Speaker 2: few seconds left for defense. Now, Rob, I'm assuming this

469
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Speaker 2: happened Saturday night, right, Yes, Lakers Warriors, Okay? And I

470
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Speaker 2: was like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So then I look back and I'm like, okay, not great.

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Speaker 2: And obviously this guy, my buddy, is a big Kobe fan,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he's obviously Kobe's better than Curry, and

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Speaker 2: it's a fair but he's got a good argument. He's

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Speaker 2: a smart Lakers fan. And I just wonder, hearing you

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Speaker 2: talk about Steph that way, if he's gonna be, you know,

477
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Speaker 2: kind of pinned into a corner and in a bad spot.

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Speaker 2: Does he then say, you know what, guys, why don't

479
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Speaker 2: you trade me and start over? And my guests would

480
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Speaker 2: be no, because he him and his family are there,

481
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Speaker 2: they're pillars in the community. Blah blah blah. The kids

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Speaker 2: in the school, like, it's not like it's easy for

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Speaker 2: me to say, hey, hey, trade me to Charlotte. I

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Speaker 2: get to go back to Charlotte and dominate where I

485
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Speaker 2: wrecked at Davidson, you know, like I don't. I don't

486
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Speaker 2: see Curry doing that. But there's no path to greatness

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Speaker 2: with this team. And if Curry were to sign off

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Speaker 2: on Draymond and Clay getting shipped, like, are they gonna

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Speaker 2: hold it against him? Like this is setting up poorly

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Speaker 2: for Curry. And the worst part of it is, I

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Speaker 2: think you and I are Curry's in the discussion for

492
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Speaker 2: top ten all time, maybe it's top thirteen all time, whatever,

493
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Speaker 2: but he's there. Yeah, and if he's missing the playoffs

494
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Speaker 2: here this year or next year like that certainly does

495
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Speaker 2: not help its cost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it sucks because, you know, even though I'm

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Speaker 1: critical of Steph Curry, because I don't believe that he

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Speaker 1: is judged in the same space that Durant, Lebron, Kobe,

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Speaker 1: Shack Duncan, Like, I don't feel like he's judged on

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Speaker 1: their same criteria where if you are an all time

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Speaker 1: great player, you should be in the hunt every season,

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Speaker 1: no matter what's going on around you. That's a mark

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Speaker 1: of a great player. That's why you know, during Kobe's

504
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Speaker 1: down year with the Lakers, those down years there between

505
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Speaker 1: the two championship runs, he was taking a lot of heat.

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Speaker 1: While it's like, obviously Kobe's not that good, He's just

507
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Speaker 1: shack sidekick. Look what's going on now? His team, say,

508
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Speaker 1: could not get out of the first round, and he

509
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: was ripped for it. Steph Curry, for whatever reason, escapes

510
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Speaker 1: that criticism. And that's an issue that I have, But

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Speaker 1: that's for another day. However, the truth is, and this

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Speaker 1: is me being totally objective, they don't have a roster

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Speaker 1: that's good enough to compete like they are a small team.

514
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Speaker 1: The Lakers right now are a mediocre team. The Lakers

515
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Speaker 1: are the definition of media where they're a five hundred

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Speaker 1: basketball team. And yet if they were to get the

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors in a playoff series, I'd have zero

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Speaker 1: doubt the Lakers would beat him in the most six

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Speaker 1: games because even as average as the Lakers are, they

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Speaker 1: are head and shoulders better than the Warriors because they

521
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Speaker 1: have too many roster deficiencies, they're too small, and they're

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Speaker 1: too reliant on one guy, Steph Curry. So if you're

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Speaker 1: thinking that you know this team can make him kind

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Speaker 1: of run, you're fooling yourself. The only way they're going

525
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Speaker 1: to be able to is if they make the tough

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Speaker 1: decision and blow it up. But again, if you do that,

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Speaker 1: you're you're putting it all on Steph Curry. Again, you're

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Speaker 1: putting the blood on his hands because you don't want

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Speaker 1: to get your hands dirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the argument against I feel like the best

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Speaker 2: argument for Curry is he won before Durant, with Durant

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Speaker 2: and after Durant. And you know, Kobe can say I

533
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Speaker 2: want with Shack and then after Shack, but he needed,

534
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, guest soul. Obviously, I don't. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there was anybody added to the word after Durant left,

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Speaker 2: Like you can't say they added Andrew Wiggins, Like that's

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Speaker 2: a massive drop off, you know. Yeah, Like Curry's basically

538
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Speaker 2: done everything humanly possible to exceed all the expectations he

539
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Speaker 2: had when he came into the league. Like if you

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Speaker 2: had said, you know, Lebron comes in the league, Okay,

541
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Speaker 2: he's gonna be an all time great, got it? Got it?

542
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: Check Michael Jordan a little tougher because at the time,

543
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: didn't he go third. Overall, it was like a lajahuon

544
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Speaker 2: Bowie and Jordan. Yes, it was like a totally different NBA.

545
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Speaker 2: It was big centric I don't think any it would

546
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: have been a shock that Jordan would have been considered

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00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 2: an all time great. Kobe came out of high school.

548
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody had him being a top fifteen player.

549
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, I think a lot of people had Pegg

550
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: for greatness. Then again, he went after Greg Odin. But

551
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Speaker 2: Curry's the one who's slithered in there as I think

552
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: the seventh pick overall, where he was a liability on defense, maybe.

553
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: He was a third point guard taken.

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00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny Flynn went ahead of.

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Speaker 1: Him, Nicky Rubio both got drafted ahead of Steph Curerr.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And that's just not the case for

557
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: anyone else in the top ten. Right, there's nobody who's

558
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: snuck in, Like, let's see who basically Bird obviously was

559
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: taking it for greatness. Magic. We know Jabbar I think

560
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: outlawed the Duncan College. That's how dominant Jabbar was. Bill

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Speaker 2: Russell will like you got on the list. Curry is

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Speaker 2: the only real outlier, right, rob Am I missing someone? Yeah, No,

563
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Speaker 2: Nugget was number one.

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Speaker 1: I would totally agree with that.

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Speaker 2: And then you go to the NFL and it's total

566
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Speaker 2: like Joe Montana not the first pick overall, not even close.

567
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: I think third round pick Tom Brady, sixth round pick

568
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, tenth pick overall. Like football so much more

569
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: of a crap shoot than the NBA, Like you pretty

570
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: much know who's gonna be awesome in the NBA, and

571
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: nobody had a clue Curry would be remotely this good.

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Speaker 2: And that's for me. He's going to be a top

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Speaker 2: ten player of all time. I'm moving, heaving and earth to

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Speaker 2: get him in there. But then again, I'm a little

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00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: impartial when it comes to Curry. I think the Durant's

576
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 2: the one on the fringe, and there's there's a good

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00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: Durant discussion to be had about he wants to know

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Speaker 2: why he's not considering an all time, all time great

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Speaker 2: and I'm not talking top ten, right Rob. Didn't he

580
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: go in and say, like he should be considered the goat?

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00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Yes, he says, why you know, what have I not

582
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: done to not be considered, you know in the goat conversation?

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00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: And that's just that's come on, really underachieving is that

584
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: part of the goat conversation? And I'm a Durant guy.

585
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: I like him. Maybe though he got upset at us.

586
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: And it's funny, Rob. Now I have people coming up

587
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: to me saying, no, guys, it hoops bro wea Well

588
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: you would you do? Would you say about Cam Newton? Man?

589
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking about? And they're like,

590
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: he wants to see you at the super Bowl in

591
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: radio row. Like okay, like first Kevin Durant, Now Cam,

592
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: what would happen? And they're they're acting like. I'm like,

593
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: like I'm rattled or shake shaken. But I was like, okay,

594
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: So like onto the night, I gotta drive my kid

595
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: to volleyball practice. Well, I can't worry about Cam Newton

596
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: coming after me. By the way, has Cam said anything

597
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: about brock perty rub.

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00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Not as I can tell not yet.

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Speaker 2: You know. My other take that I was driving home

600
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: on the herd on on Monday, was, Hey, Patrick Mahomes

601
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: really game managed the hell out of that inn AFC

602
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: Championship game, didn't he? Huh? No risk taking, no mistakes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Rob, it's wrong with me to come

604
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: for camp, but I'll say this, do you think he

605
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: would do a home a home with straight fire?

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Speaker 1: Do I think that he would? I think if you

607
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Speaker 1: came at him humbly that he's the kind of guy like,

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00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: you're sure, I'll give you a chance. But if we

609
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Speaker 1: were to just, hey, do you want to do a

610
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: home at home we asked him, he'd probably say no

611
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: because he you know, he'd think that he's he's above it.

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00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: He's above it, right.

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Speaker 2: I think you sent me some Breakfast Club clip where

614
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: he was like, I started, guy, I gotta get paid

615
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: for this or I'm not. I'm not looking for free.

616
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, brother, you're talking about supports. Who's paying you? Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but like in college basketball, some people

618
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: try to get the home and home and some of

619
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Speaker 2: the big schools are like, nah, man, we're not going

620
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: to visit you. You know, one of those deals. Right, So

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyways, any final thoughts on Curry, Like,

622
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: what do you think happens rob she usually traded the

623
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: status quo. Maybe they try to ship Chris Paul and Kuminga.

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00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: I just I don't know how they retool around Clay

625
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: and Raymond.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think that Steph Curry is

627
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: one of those guys who's really loyal to the soil.

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00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Draymond would have been traded like three years ago. We're

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Speaker 1: not for Steph Curry because he's really fallen off, and

630
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: I think that he's gonna say I'm riding with Clay

631
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: and Dre all the way to the wheels fall off

632
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: no matter what. And because of that, he's going to

633
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: go out admirably, but he's gonna go out meekly, similar

634
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: to the way Kobe Bryant did in his final years

635
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: to the Lakers.

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00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: That's a strong take. All right, we'll end on that

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00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: NBA is getting spot. We haven't even talked about my

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