WEBVTT - LANDSLIDE LESSON: DEMS CAN RUN SIMULTANEOUSLY ON MONEY ISSUES AND TRUMP - 11.6.25

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. First

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<v Speaker 1>full night of sleep in more than one year, not

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<v Speaker 1>an analogy. Literally Tuesday night, first full, uninterrupted, boring night

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<v Speaker 1>of sleep in more than a year. And what was

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<v Speaker 1>my reward to wake up to Trump beginning a climb

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<v Speaker 1>down from the shutdown? To wake up to Mayor elect

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<v Speaker 1>Mamdani and Governor elect Cheryl and Governor Elect Spanberger and

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<v Speaker 1>PROMP fifty passing and every one of Virginia's ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>counties getting more blue. To wake up to the reality

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump has absolutely no idea, he got the shit

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<v Speaker 1>kicked out of him, and that Trump is deranged syndrome

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<v Speaker 1>is fatal, not fixable. To wake up to the reality

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<v Speaker 1>that the real outcome of the elections in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, Virginia, California and everywhere else was Trump's sense

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<v Speaker 1>of permanence, his own sense that the murder he's been

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<v Speaker 1>getting away with he'll continue to get away with, and

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of his supporters, and the sense of the

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<v Speaker 1>moronic political media, and even the sense of some of

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<v Speaker 1>us resisting him. They're our sense that he will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to get away with it. Gone. Permanence is the default

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<v Speaker 1>position of almost all politicians, and especially the corrupt and

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<v Speaker 1>stupid ones. Permanence is the default position of all mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>political reporters and analysts, and the higher up the food

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<v Speaker 1>chain they are, the more they cling to permanence Because Mortgages.

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<v Speaker 1>I have long thought that the most perceptive analysis of

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<v Speaker 1>politicians ever anywhere was unintentional, and it is in the

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<v Speaker 1>last place you would look for it. The Beatles movie

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<v Speaker 1>help from the Leo McKern character, the hazily defined Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>religious sacrificial cult leader Klang. The sacrificial ring is missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Klang says, something must be done without the ring. There

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<v Speaker 1>will be no sacrifice without the sacrifice. There will be

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<v Speaker 1>no congregation without the congregation. No more me. His deputy

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<v Speaker 1>then says this is so, so Klang hits him. Klang

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<v Speaker 1>is Trump. Klang is also JV. Vance. Klang is also

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<v Speaker 1>Van Jones. Klang is also Eric Adams. Klang is also

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Cuomo. Klang is also Chris Cuomo. Klang is also

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Matthew. Klang is also Matthew Iglesias. I could go on,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, Klang is everybody on Fox, No more me.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump wasn't on the ballot, Trump screamed in pain at

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<v Speaker 1>ten pm Tuesday night. And shut down were the two

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that Republicans lost elections tonight. Bullshit, poor Trump. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a news flash in there, and I'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that in a moment, But first, while we are watching

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<v Speaker 1>him squirm, let's remember to make him squirm even harder.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump not only was on the ballot every ballot, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the ballot in the worst possible way.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody could vote no on him, but it was almost

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to vote yes. The lame duck politician's worst nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>To paraphrase another unlikely source, the sixties and seventies political

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<v Speaker 1>impressionist David Fry, a lame duck like Trump can only

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<v Speaker 1>accept blame. He cannot accept responsibility. As Fry said, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said it in an immaculate impersonation of Richard Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>those who are to blame lose their jobs. Those who

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<v Speaker 1>are responsible do not. Trump is to blame. Actually, there

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<v Speaker 1>are two newsflashes in what he said and wrote. The

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<v Speaker 1>second one is these results may increase slightly the chance

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<v Speaker 1>he goes full dictator, so there aren't any more elections

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<v Speaker 1>because he knows he's going to lose them all from

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<v Speaker 1>here on in whatever you think the odds are on

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe they went up one or two percent, But

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<v Speaker 1>the more immediate news flash he repeated to Senate Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>in a White House breakfast yesterday, which if it did

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<v Speaker 1>not feature Trump throwing catchup at them, it could have.

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<v Speaker 1>In his panicked post, he blamed the shutdown to the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans in the Senate. At the breakfast, he blamed the shutdown. He,

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<v Speaker 1>quoting the report, said that the GOP is getting hurt

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<v Speaker 1>more by the shutdown than Democrats because they are in

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<v Speaker 1>charge in Washington. Per source. Well, it's finally happened on

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<v Speaker 1>one issue, the shutdown. Trump is, of course, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent correct. He may be wrong about nearly everything. He

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<v Speaker 1>is usually either repeating something he misheard in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two or something that happened to him in a dream

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty five. He may have just again told

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<v Speaker 1>the media that you can't buy gas or groceries without ID,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly because the last time he actually bought groceries with mommy,

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<v Speaker 1>she paid by check and you had to show the

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<v Speaker 1>manager and ID to use the check, which is how

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<v Speaker 1>it worked in the sixties. I know I was there.

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<v Speaker 1>My mommy did it too. Of course, the Republicans are

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<v Speaker 1>blamed for the sho shut down. Trump is blamed for

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown. It's their shutdown. But Trump still believes this

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<v Speaker 1>is fixable by eliminating the filibuster because Trump's Republicans may

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<v Speaker 1>differ from say, Dick Cheney's Republicans in a million ways,

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<v Speaker 1>but one core way they are identical is they are

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<v Speaker 1>fully committed to the bit. If you do something evil

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't work, if it doesn't scare people into

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<v Speaker 1>voting for you, your mistake clearly was it wasn't evil enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it more, do it worse. Whatever doesn't work, do

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<v Speaker 1>it again, do it more. Senate Republicans will not nuke

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<v Speaker 1>the filibuster for the same reason that Kirsten Cinema would

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<v Speaker 1>not nuke the filibuster, and the same reason most mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats won't nuke the philibuster, but just won't say so.

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<v Speaker 1>The filibuster is the only thing that keeps the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>alive at every crossroads on the path that leads to

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<v Speaker 1>the future. The Belgian poet Maurice Metterlink wrote, each progressive

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<v Speaker 1>spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard

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<v Speaker 1>the past. The Senate is only one hundred of them,

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<v Speaker 1>men and women appointed to guard the past. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>who Metalink meant. If they cannot build a dam against

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<v Speaker 1>every reform, if there isn't a now impossible to reach

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<v Speaker 1>majority of sixty on nearly everything, the House will go

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<v Speaker 1>from about twenty percent of national legislative power to about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent. The Senate won't count anymore. How is a

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<v Speaker 1>minority party senator supposed to sell his vote if his

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<v Speaker 1>vote can no longer cause the toilets to overflow? At

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<v Speaker 1>every crossroads on the path that leads to the future,

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<v Speaker 1>each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure the toilets overflow. A kind of doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump quoted Metterlink even my revised version of Metalink. When

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsey Graham allegedly yelled at him yesterday about the filibuster,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of doubt. Graham even quoted Klang. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>part about now ma R may, but you get the

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<v Speaker 1>point that he has been repudiated has not yet fully

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<v Speaker 1>dawned on Trump, but that the shutdown has been repudiated

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<v Speaker 1>that has dawned on him. He realizes that what he

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<v Speaker 1>thought was a plus is in fact a disaster. He

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<v Speaker 1>has a solution to this, shoot the filibuster and get

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<v Speaker 1>everything he wants done and done now, but not even

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<v Speaker 1>his Senate Todys will do that. He will eventually, therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>panic and move to another solution. He alone can end

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown. He will sell out his Senate toadies. He

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<v Speaker 1>will make Mike Johnson look like an id to the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two percent of the country that does not yet

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<v Speaker 1>know he's an idiot. He will proclaim himself a hero.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be like Trump and China and the soybeans.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at me, I'm the hero. I just got the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese to agree to buy as many soybeans as they

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<v Speaker 1>were buying before I created this crisis. Look at me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the hero. I just got the government to be open,

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<v Speaker 1>just like it was before I created the crisis where

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<v Speaker 1>it closed. Me me me iy iy i, Trump Trump, Trump, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of the weeds, into the lessons, the lessons of

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<v Speaker 1>the democratic landslide. First, socialism was not on the ballot

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<v Speaker 1>democratic socialist. That has that This country has been capitalist

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<v Speaker 1>socialist for at least ninety two years since FDR was

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<v Speaker 1>sworn in maybe since nineteen thirteen, when the sixteenth Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>passed and we established a federal income tax. Maybe seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>six Keep your goddamn government hands off, my socialist medicare off,

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<v Speaker 1>my socialist medicaid off, my socialist social security off, my

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<v Speaker 1>socialist blues state support for financially insoluble red states Mam

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie a socialist. Did you see the exit polls in

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<v Speaker 1>New York? Do you consider yourself a democratic socialist? Sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent of New York's voters said no, twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent said yes. Three percent of New York voters who

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<v Speaker 1>said yes, we're democratic socialists also said we're voting for

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Cuomo. The word socialism is meaningless. Mamdanni beat the

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<v Speaker 1>shit out of Cuomo. The old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine

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<v Speaker 1>politics typical craft shack New York Democrat in the primary

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<v Speaker 1>and after the old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine political typical

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<v Speaker 1>crap shack billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and Bill Ackman spent

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<v Speaker 1>tens of millions of dollars to prop up the old

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<v Speaker 1>school corrupt, antidiluvian machine politics typical crapshack New York Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>and got three quarters of Republicans to vote for him.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, after making Cuomo the Fusion all Evil Parties candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>and got seven out of ten Trump supporters in New

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<v Speaker 1>York to vote for Cuomo. Even after all that, ma'am

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<v Speaker 1>Danny beat the shit out of him again. Lesson here,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is undiluted, untreatable political death in blue states. He is, though,

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<v Speaker 1>becoming political death in Purple states. He is moving inexorably

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<v Speaker 1>towards becoming political death in red states. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>we found out during the Democratic landslide. The other lessons,

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<v Speaker 1>Ma'm donnie ran on your money issues and that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>equals death. Not difficult, easy to remember, useful on all occasions.

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<v Speaker 1>Your money issues and Trump equals death. Worked in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>where they elected a socialist who got majority support from

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats who aren't socialists. Worked in Virginia where they elected

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<v Speaker 1>as governor and ex congresswomen born in Jersey. Worked in

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey where they elected as governor and ex congress woman

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<v Speaker 1>born in Virginia. Your money issues and Trump equals death,

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<v Speaker 1>both of them useful on all occasions. It's a floor

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<v Speaker 1>wax and a dessert topping. Other lessons Chuck Schumer resign

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<v Speaker 1>at least a Senate I'm an already leader. You were

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<v Speaker 1>one of metterlinks thousand men appointed to guard the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what the future got passed you? Resign, Get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way. David Axelrod and Van Jones, who criticized

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<v Speaker 1>mom Donnie's victory speech, let me paraphrase you had another

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<v Speaker 1>pop reference another movie, The Sweet Smell of Success. Burt

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<v Speaker 1>Lancaster is the monstrous gossip columnist JJ Hunsecker, Van David,

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<v Speaker 1>your politically dead son, get yourself buried. Governor elect Spanberger, congratulations,

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<v Speaker 1>Now fix the toilet that you cause to overflow. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is it that everybody keeps thinking somebody running in a city,

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<v Speaker 1>admittedly an enormous city, that that is the deciding race. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe governor elect, because right now, in all of Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>forty two thousand square miles, the population is only three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty three thousand people more than in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City four hundred and sixty eight square miles. Asked

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<v Speaker 1>about mom Donnie saying he had won the fight for

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<v Speaker 1>the soul of the future of the Democratic Party, probably

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<v Speaker 1>a boast that he didn't need to make. Spanberger reposted,

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe he should be a Democrat, Madam Governor elect

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<v Speaker 1>stfu a new rule here. We are here to save democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here to end the Trumpsts. We are here

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<v Speaker 1>to save America, not to polish our own asses. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>fired thousands of Virginians and backed a raving lunatic who

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<v Speaker 1>had a one issue campaign that apparently only she and

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<v Speaker 1>Riley Gaines given f about maybe you could chill on

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<v Speaker 1>taking potshots at Mam Donnie and get back to business

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<v Speaker 1>having been gifted a landslide by Donald Trump. Or or

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, get on the Chuck Schumer bandwagon. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that literally. I come completely believe now that Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Schumer travels by horse drawn bandwagon. Whoa slow down? We

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<v Speaker 1>must be going eight nine miles an hour, Gabby, No

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<v Speaker 1>human can survive this speed. Other other lessons more philosophical.

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<v Speaker 1>The pundits were wrong. Of course, the pundits were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>The rule of punditry is only leaped to the most obvious,

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<v Speaker 1>least uncertain conclusion. A poll shows the Democratic Party is

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<v Speaker 1>less popular than it used to be. Well, that must

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<v Speaker 1>be because nobody wants to vote Democratic orherever will vote

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic again, Except if you'd read the second line of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. The second line on the poll result indicated

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<v Speaker 1>that most of those who were dissatisfied with the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Party were Democrats who thought that the Democrats were not

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<v Speaker 1>fighting hard enough against Trump and the economic disaster of

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<v Speaker 1>our times. Look, there are only two possibilities for that

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic brand is damaged. Bullshit. It's either that, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats are less popular generally, and when put to the

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<v Speaker 1>first one hundred or so tests, the first one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>or so important votes this Tuesday, it didn't matter at

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<v Speaker 1>all because the final was Democrats one hundred, Republicans nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just watching. It's either that or it's what

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<v Speaker 1>I just said. Democrats want more Mamdani, less Cuomo, more Newsome,

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<v Speaker 1>less Schumer, more punches thrown, less moderate third way crap.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, you know what way the third

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<v Speaker 1>way is. The third way is losing badly. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>the third way is. First way is winning, Second way

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<v Speaker 1>is losing. Third way is losing badly. I want this

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<v Speaker 1>new group running the Democrats first way. Other lessons, you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot fire all of northern Virginia and then win Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot gestapo Latinos and win Latinos or most non Latinos.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't starve America and win America. And you can't

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<v Speaker 1>threaten and abuse Jewish voters and win Jewish voters. Anybody

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<v Speaker 1>notice that Trump before the New York election, quote any

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish person that votes for Zorn Mamdani, a proven and

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<v Speaker 1>self professed Jew hater, is a stupid person. Anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>notice the fir guy who claims to be a friend

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<v Speaker 1>to Jews, a protector of the Jewish people, an honorary jew.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump short calls Jewish people quote disloyal and quote ungrateful,

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<v Speaker 1>and quote stupid. A lot one last lesson. You know

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<v Speaker 1>why Mamdani won the messages. Obviously, the actual seven word

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<v Speaker 1>templates all Democrats everywhere should run on your money issues

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump equals death. But the other part is almost

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<v Speaker 1>as simple. He looks and sounds like he's good at this,

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<v Speaker 1>good at campaigning, good at talking to actual people off

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<v Speaker 1>the cuff, good at making government actually do good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Obama looked and sounded like that. John F. Kennedy looked

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<v Speaker 1>and sounded like that. Even Trump looked like a dumbed

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<v Speaker 1>down version of that. What bad people think a good

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<v Speaker 1>person looks and sounds like we underrate one word in

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<v Speaker 1>assessing everything in life, but especially in public life, The

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<v Speaker 1>word is good. We delve and analyze and dissect and

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<v Speaker 1>cross tab and chew and punditize and rehash and dive,

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<v Speaker 1>and and we miss the essential. Most people are not

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<v Speaker 1>good at their jobs. Most TV shows are not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Most films are not good. Most street repairs are not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Most food is not good. Not Most people are not

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<v Speaker 1>good at stuff, but especially when that stuff benefits others.

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<v Speaker 1>Charity stuff, public services stuff like the Motor Vehicles Bureau,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially especially government. We're not looking for Christ fresh

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<v Speaker 1>off the cross to go and pave our streets with gold.

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<v Speaker 1>People just want a government that can keep the toilets

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<v Speaker 1>from overflowing. Thank you, Zoron, Mom, Donnie and Mikey, Cheryl

0:20:08.795 --> 0:20:14.955
<v Speaker 1>and Abigail Spanberger. Though I'm watching you, thank you and

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<v Speaker 1>there there it is your mandate. Spread the gospel of

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<v Speaker 1>your money issues and Trump equals death, and Jesus Christ

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<v Speaker 1>keep the toilets from overflowing. Only one other thing I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to mention. As you know, Dick Cheney has died.

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<v Speaker 1>There's enough sane washing going on without me adding to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Dick Cheney for, you know, being the architect

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<v Speaker 1>of the plan to exploit nine to eleven as an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse to go into Iraq, which replaced the original Bush plan,

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<v Speaker 1>which was to just do it and say why just cuz.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Dick Cheney for being named by Bush to

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<v Speaker 1>chair the search committee to select Bush's vice president, and

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<v Speaker 1>Cheney came back and recommended himself. I have found that

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<v Speaker 1>I am the best candidate. And I remember him for

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<v Speaker 1>standing up at what sports people used to call nut

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<v Speaker 1>cutting time for America, Yes or no, capitalist socialist democracy

0:21:42.075 --> 0:21:49.595
<v Speaker 1>or dictatorship. He chose capitalist socialist democracy. Good, finish up strong,

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<v Speaker 1>keep the world safe for people like Dick Cheney and

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<v Speaker 1>me to hate each other. And I remember him for

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<v Speaker 1>what he said in describing my friend Moe Roka when

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<v Speaker 1>Moe Raka hosted the radio and television correspondence Social Siation

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<v Speaker 1>Dinner in DC in April two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Among his other credits, Moe used to host a TV

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<v Speaker 2>show called Things I Hate About You. I'm sure I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen that program only I believe it's now called Countdown

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<v Speaker 2>with Keith Overman. Keith not here tonight to savor my company.

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<v Speaker 1>But now some people hear that and say that means

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Cheney hated me. And some people hear that and

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<v Speaker 1>say that means Dick Cheney believed I hated him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I say, can't we all get along? Both of those

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<v Speaker 1>mean I pissed Dick Cheney off when he was vice president.

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<v Speaker 1>And that that clip right there, that was when I

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<v Speaker 1>knew my work there was done. Rest in peace, Dick Cheney,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, because yes, it can be a floor wax

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<v Speaker 1>and a dessert topping. That is what makes America great.

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday Night Live reference if you don't get it by now.

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<v Speaker 1>Also of interest here, Winsome Earl Sears lost the race

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<v Speaker 1>for governor of Virginia by fifteen points in a state

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party won four years ago this month by

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<v Speaker 1>two points. So I would never metaphorically kick a candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>even a crazy maga lunatic while they're down. Hell, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>She shares worst person honors. That's next. This is an

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<v Speaker 1>all new Landslide edition of Countdown. This is Countdown with

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Olberman still ahead on his all new edition of Countdown.

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<v Speaker 1>There is yet another new committee to nominate and elect

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<v Speaker 1>new members of Baseball's Hall of fame, about which the

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<v Speaker 1>odds are pretty good you care nothing. However, you may

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<v Speaker 1>be entertained by the story of one of the previous committees,

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<v Speaker 1>which once elected at least once elected a new member

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<v Speaker 1>of Baseball's Hall of Fame by accident via something referred

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<v Speaker 1>to as courtesy votes, because they wanted to make one

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<v Speaker 1>of their guys who wasn't quite a Hall of Famer

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<v Speaker 1>feel good, and too many of them decided to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for him to make him feel good, and now he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a plaque at the Hall of Fame. I also

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<v Speaker 1>have thoughts on the actual nominees and the process, and

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<v Speaker 1>what could be done to fix it, and why they

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<v Speaker 1>will never fix it. It's a deliberate choice ahead in

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<v Speaker 1>sports first, believe it or not. There's still more new

0:25:17.475 --> 0:25:20.515
<v Speaker 1>idiots to talk about. The roundup of the miscrants, morons

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<v Speaker 1>and Dunning Krug effect specimens who constitute today's other worst

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<v Speaker 1>persons in the world at the Bronze Laura Lumer. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know quite how history will look at Laura Lumer.

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect it will be looking at her briefly and soon,

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<v Speaker 1>as in she will soon be history. She's now a

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<v Speaker 1>Pentagon correspondent for I made it up news. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't understand any of it. She's repulsive, stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>and servile. What I don't understand is why she's not

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<v Speaker 1>vice president. Laura Lumer, though, has now and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a theme for today, has now crossed some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>rubicon in which she is pissing off the people who

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<v Speaker 1>put her where she is. Roger Stone, somehow still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>was her role model and to some degree her mentor.

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<v Speaker 1>And roger Stone something happened that caused him to post this.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never taken a penny to post anything on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Laura Lumer takes thousands and thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to front for others and spread their lies. Who is

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<v Speaker 1>paying you? Laura? You won't be able to double talk

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<v Speaker 1>your way out of this. You're not that smart. Answer

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<v Speaker 1>the question who are you? His word not mine? Warring

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<v Speaker 1>for Laura roger Stone three point fifty nine am Jacob

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<v Speaker 1>Marley's ghost came to visit roger Stone and is oddly shaped. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And if that were not enough, there is the runner up?

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<v Speaker 1>Were sir? All those in his history who supported Tucker Carlson?

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll just take Ben Shapiro out, because he's the

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<v Speaker 1>latest guy to sit here going I never knew Tucker

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson was the devil? My god, where have you people been?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read this from Oliver Darcy's newsletter The magas civil

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<v Speaker 1>war that erupted last week is showing no signs of

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<v Speaker 1>letting up. On Monday, the Daily Wires, Ben Shapiro dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>his entire show to go scorched Earth on Tucker Carlson

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<v Speaker 1>over his decision to host the Holocaust denying white nationalist

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Fuentes for a softball chat halcost denying white nationalists.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an anti Semite. He's called himself an anti Semite.

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<v Speaker 1>He's slime, he's scum. Shapiro slammed Carlson as quote an

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual cower, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and blamed him for Nazism being normalized within the mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Party. Yeah. And he didn't stop there, Shapiro said.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlson quote was aided, a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism

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<v Speaker 1>within the Republican Party by the Heritage Foundation. Quote. The

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<v Speaker 1>issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided to normalize and

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<v Speaker 1>fluff Nick Fuentes, and that the Heritage Foundation then decided

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<v Speaker 1>to robustly defend that performance. Waiter, are you telling me

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<v Speaker 1>the Heritage Foundation is corrupt and full of Nazi adjacent people, really,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Tucker Carlson is a dishonest coward? Really? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Tucker Carlson fired by literally all the cable news

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<v Speaker 1>networks from prominent shows on each one of them in

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<v Speaker 1>a span of less than twenty years after rising to

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<v Speaker 1>the top at all three of them fired not always

0:29:19.075 --> 0:29:23.355
<v Speaker 1>contract ran out, oh oh, Alberman always likes to leave jobs. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>fired like one day there, one day not there. The

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<v Speaker 1>surprise by people like Ben Shapiro, the Ben Shapiro's and

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<v Speaker 1>the Roger Stones and the Donald Trumps and everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson has not changed your ability to lie to

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<v Speaker 1>yourselves that Tucker Carlson was not this anti semi adjacent

0:29:49.115 --> 0:29:55.955
<v Speaker 1>bastard with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. And that maniacal laugh

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<v Speaker 1>of his was not some sort of performance. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the result of something wrong with his brain that has

0:30:01.715 --> 0:30:03.915
<v Speaker 1>always been there. And by the way, is the second

0:30:03.955 --> 0:30:07.515
<v Speaker 1>generation Carlson who is like this. His father was just

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. The problem here, We've already established that

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson is slime and scum. The problem here Roger

0:30:16.635 --> 0:30:20.795
<v Speaker 1>Stone with Laura Lumer. The problem here Ben Shapiro with Carlson.

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson is you, not him, as I believe it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus aureli has pointed out every day in the world

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<v Speaker 1>you see deceit, dishonesty, retribution, selfishness, vice, corruption, And yet

0:30:39.355 --> 0:30:43.515
<v Speaker 1>you're surprised, at what point does that become your fault?

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<v Speaker 1>Love that, Marcus Aurelius. And still there are two people

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<v Speaker 1>who are worse who share today's worst persons in the

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<v Speaker 1>World Championship. A guy named Charlie Hurt, who appears on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News as a sometimes host. He was started his

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<v Speaker 1>career in journal so to speak, as a scab during

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<v Speaker 1>the Detroit Times strike of nineteen ninety five, and later worse.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the DC editor of the New York Post

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<v Speaker 1>and an early Trumpist, and he was interviewing Winsome Earl Sears,

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican candidate for governor of Virginia, the woman who

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<v Speaker 1>laughed at the idea that because she was anti LG TBq,

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<v Speaker 1>that this was some sort of prejudice on her part

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<v Speaker 1>and just said, it's not prejudice, it's reality. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>not a stable not of this earth. This woman winsome

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Series and they share the award because Charlie Hurt

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<v Speaker 1>The nice thing again, I suppose I shouldn't really come

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<v Speaker 1>down so hard on Ben Shapiro and Rogerstone, because the

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<v Speaker 1>nice thing is to see the look of shock on

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<v Speaker 1>the face of the people who realize that these really

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous and bigoted individuals that they have supported are both

0:32:03.475 --> 0:32:06.315
<v Speaker 1>dangerous and bigoted. And boy, oh boy, Charlie Hurt sure

0:32:06.395 --> 0:32:10.355
<v Speaker 1>revealed himself and win some Earl Sears sure revealed herself

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<v Speaker 1>in this interview. You should look it up. You should

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<v Speaker 1>watch the video. It's really bad. It's so bad that

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<v Speaker 1>it would not get applause from Trump. Charlie Hurt said,

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<v Speaker 1>we did go through years of lectures about how it

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<v Speaker 1>was important to vote for Barack Obama as this historic

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<v Speaker 1>black candidate for him to have an opportunity to help

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<v Speaker 1>out the first black female governor. Explain to me, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>to win some Earl Sears. I can't square this. The

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<v Speaker 1>gist of what he was saying was he could not

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<v Speaker 1>understand why Barack Obama did not support the Republican nutjob

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<v Speaker 1>wins Earl Sears merely because she was black, and she

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<v Speaker 1>of course agreed with this. Last year, she said, he

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<v Speaker 1>told everybody to vote for the black woman. Well here

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<v Speaker 1>I here, I am, and now he's singing a different tune.

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<v Speaker 1>Hypocrisy all the way. The fundamental issue, of course, was

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<v Speaker 1>that there needed to be some diversity within a party

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<v Speaker 1>and among candidates. But you shouldn't have voted for Barack Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said as much if you did not agree

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<v Speaker 1>with at least most of the ideas that he stood for.

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<v Speaker 1>This seems to have eluded Winsome Earl Sears, along with

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<v Speaker 1>most of the rest of life here on this dimension,

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems to have eluded Charlie Hurt, who thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody voted for Obama because he was black. So

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<v Speaker 1>by that logic, Winsome Earl Sears, you voted for Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris last year and this guy Hurt, the Detroit Times guy,

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<v Speaker 1>he voted for Abigail Spanber in the Virginia race because

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<v Speaker 1>he and Spanberger are both white. Is that what you're

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<v Speaker 1>telling me, win Some Earl Sears, moron Charlie Hurt scab

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<v Speaker 1>two days worst persons. Wait to hear this baseball story

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<v Speaker 1>in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Countdown with Keith Ulberman in Sportsball Center tonight. You

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<v Speaker 3>heard the phrase inside baseball, I mean used in a

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<v Speaker 3>non baseball context, inside baseball. It comes from baseball. It's

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<v Speaker 3>about stuff that's so inside the game, so meaningful only

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<v Speaker 3>to people who really follow it that it tends to

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<v Speaker 3>be a little arcane or boring for people who do

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<v Speaker 3>not follow baseball intently. However, I do have one hook

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<v Speaker 3>that may interest you in the subject of the latest

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<v Speaker 3>Baseball Hall of Fame Veteran's ballot. They've nominated eight fairly

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<v Speaker 3>recent players, players whose careers began or prominence began anyway

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty or later. For me, those are my friends.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, they may be figures from base ball's ancient

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<v Speaker 3>past who might as well have played in eighteen sixty six. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 3>I always think of the same story whenever a new

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<v Speaker 3>veterans committee gets together to try to decide who is

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<v Speaker 3>a Baseball Hall of Famer and who is not. In

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<v Speaker 3>the seventies and eighties, there was one committee the Veterans

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<v Speaker 3>Committee that included some of the great luminaries of the

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<v Speaker 3>gink game, including Ted Williams, who used to vote on

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<v Speaker 3>who else got into the Hall of Fame besides him.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things Ted Williams did constantly was

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<v Speaker 3>vote for his friends, vote for those few players that

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<v Speaker 3>he had personal respect for who tended to be pitchers

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<v Speaker 3>who were able to get him out. He four years

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<v Speaker 3>voted annually for a pitcher from Cleveland named mel Harder,

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<v Speaker 3>who pitched for twenty years and then was a very

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<v Speaker 3>successful pitching coach, but whose lifetime record was about five hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>He won as many as he lost. There was anything

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<v Speaker 3>exceptional about his strikeout tos or his modern day subtle statistics,

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<v Speaker 3>or his game result statistics, or any of the metrics

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<v Speaker 3>that are used to assess pictures today. But Ted Williams

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't get a hit off of him to save his life.

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<v Speaker 3>And therefore, to Ted Williams, that made mel Haarder a

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Famer. But the other thing that Ted Williams did,

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<v Speaker 3>and many of his contemporaries on the old Veterans Committee,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is a legend more than it is a

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<v Speaker 3>factually documented story, but I believe after forty years or

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<v Speaker 3>fifty years of hearing this story, I believe it is true.

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<v Speaker 3>They also, besides constantly having to tamp down Ted's enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 3>for otherwise obscure players he just wasn't any good against,

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<v Speaker 3>they had to keep him from doing what he liked

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<v Speaker 3>to do, which was to throw a vote to those

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<v Speaker 3>friends who he didn't really think were Hall of famers,

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<v Speaker 3>but he wanted them to know somebody voted for them.

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<v Speaker 3>These were called courtesy votes, And here after year, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>on the Hall of Fame Veterans Committee would issue a

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<v Speaker 3>courtesy vote for a long time catcher and Detroit Tigers

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<v Speaker 3>executive named Rick Ferrell, supposedly one of the true gentlemen

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<v Speaker 3>of the game and a player who I believe lasted

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen years as a catcher in the American League, even

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<v Speaker 3>though I think he only played in one hundred games

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<v Speaker 3>in the one hundred and fifty four game schedule of

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<v Speaker 3>the time once or twice in his life. He was

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a regular player, but not really and he

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<v Speaker 3>certainly was not an All Star, and he certainly was

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<v Speaker 3>not a Hall of Famer. And every year Ted Williams

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<v Speaker 3>would say to his friends on the committee. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>who's casting the courtesy vote for Rick Ferrell? Or let's

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<v Speaker 3>get Rick three votes this year when I guess whatever

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<v Speaker 3>six or seven were needed for election, and inevitably, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>given the amount of alcohol that might have been consumed

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<v Speaker 3>at these annual meetings and the Hall of Fame voters.

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<v Speaker 3>The baseballs don't meet, They just mail in ballots. But

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<v Speaker 3>the members of the Veterans Committee used to meet in person,

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<v Speaker 3>usually in Florida, usually starting at lunch with alcohol and

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<v Speaker 3>concluding sometime after dinner with alcohol. They would get together

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<v Speaker 3>and then they would vote, and people would forget what

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<v Speaker 3>they were supposed to vote and who they were supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to vote for. And there came the announcement that if say,

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<v Speaker 3>the threshold for votes for election for anybody that year

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<v Speaker 3>was seven votes, there it was Rick Ferrell eight votes.

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<v Speaker 1>Look him up. Rick Ferrell is in the Baseball Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame. Supposedly, that is how a great and very

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<v Speaker 1>popular but not quite Hall of Fame shortstop named Rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>Moranville got into the Hall of Fame. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have many details about that. The Rick Ferrell story I

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<v Speaker 1>have from one witness who says what he remembers of

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<v Speaker 1>that rather sauced evening consisted of what I just told you.

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<v Speaker 1>So anytime there is an announcement that there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a committee meeting to vote to elect new Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of famers, I keep thinking somebody's going to get in

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<v Speaker 1>by accident. Again. Yes, there it was the other day

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<v Speaker 1>the Baseball Hall of Fame announcing that it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to conduct another committee. Yet another variation. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Age since the eighties vote, and the next year

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<v Speaker 1>will be the seventeenth century vote, and then the year

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<v Speaker 1>after that will be the people whose names start with

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<v Speaker 1>the letter Q vote. It's so stupid, complicated, inconsistent. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets changed every couple of years. And of course the

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<v Speaker 1>reason they do that is otherwise no one would be

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<v Speaker 1>have any interest whatsoever in the Hall of Fame vote.

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<v Speaker 1>The controversy is about who's in the Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 1>and who's not in the Hall of Fame will never

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<v Speaker 1>be resolved because they managed to keep you talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about it now. I happen to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about something a little bit more again arcane, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still talking about it. And if they had perfected which

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<v Speaker 1>would probably be easily done a system for the Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame that would satisfy everybody. People would stop arguing

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<v Speaker 1>about it. They just say, well, the system produces x

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<v Speaker 1>number of Hall of Famers every year or people with

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of credentials. Yay, that's the way they do it.

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<v Speaker 1>In Japan, there is a statistical Hall of Fame. If

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<v Speaker 1>you get I don't know what the total is, three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy five home runs, you are in the

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<v Speaker 1>statistical Hall of Fame and automatically in the general Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame, and they are permitted to elect additional people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't meet those criteria statistically to the general Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame, but there is an automatic threshold Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my ideas that again would defeat the whole

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of the controversy, would be to have a four

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<v Speaker 1>tiered Hall of Fame. You'd have that statistical Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Fame in which I guess, if you hit six hundred homers,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in, and then they're It would be the all

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<v Speaker 1>time greats, the immortals, the Babe Ruths, the I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we're expecting Shoho Tani, but not quite yet. Folks like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Aaron, Roberto Clemente. Then there'd be a second tier,

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<v Speaker 1>or a third tier in this case for players who

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<v Speaker 1>were unable for whatever reason to complete their careers or

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<v Speaker 1>their expected careers. Pictures like Sandy Kofax, who retired at

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<v Speaker 1>age thirty because doctors said, the next pitch might not

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<v Speaker 1>only be your last, but you may use your arm

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<v Speaker 1>for the last time throwing that pitch. You may literally

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to use your arm for anything. All

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<v Speaker 1>the nerves may be dead. And he went, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to quit, and he did, and his records do not

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<v Speaker 1>His compilation records do not match that of far lesser pitchers,

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<v Speaker 1>although he is considered perhaps the greatest five season pitcher

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. But you could have a category of

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of famers who only had five great years for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason. The late catcher of the New York Yankees,

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<v Speaker 1>Thrman Munson, could fit into that because he died in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of his eleventh season in Major League Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>and never fulfilled or went downhill from there because he

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<v Speaker 1>was not alive to do so. The last category of

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<v Speaker 1>our four tier Hall of Fame would be everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>whose statistical performance is such that they should be in

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<v Speaker 1>the Hall of fame, but had some sort of blemish

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<v Speaker 1>in their personal conduct, Pete Rose gambling the problem with

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<v Speaker 1>underage dating, which I think we have to call it

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<v Speaker 1>that legally, although it's probably closer to pedophilia Pete Rose,

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the steroid users

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<v Speaker 1>of the late nineteen nineties and early two thousands, Shoolish

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Jackson and the other members of the nineteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago White Sox who were involved in a plot to

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<v Speaker 1>throw the World Series that year. Some of them may

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<v Speaker 1>have thrown the World Series, and some of them may

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<v Speaker 1>have not thrown the World Series. Almost all of them

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<v Speaker 1>got money to do. So you could put them all

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<v Speaker 1>in there and they could be I don't know, in

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<v Speaker 1>a room that isn't totally lit, or they could have

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<v Speaker 1>bad portraits of themselves, or like I don't know, a

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<v Speaker 1>sound of booing being piped into the room in which

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<v Speaker 1>their plaques would remain for eternity. But you would say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 1>flawed human being who, oh, by the way, got more

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<v Speaker 1>hits than anybody else. So that's the solution, And of

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<v Speaker 1>course it will never be done because it would eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>most of the arguments, and then we wouldn't have these conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to the original point, I wanted to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>the qualifications of these eight guys again. This sorting out.

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<v Speaker 1>This latest category is players who achieved prominence in the

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<v Speaker 1>game after nineteen eighty, not owners, not managers players. This

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<v Speaker 1>is just on the field stuff. There'll be an owner

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<v Speaker 1>manager vote later seventy years from now. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've completely lost the plot on what they are doing

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<v Speaker 1>to elect people to the Hall of Fame. Okay, here

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<v Speaker 1>are the nominees. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are on

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<v Speaker 1>the list. All that is needed from this committee is

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent of the vote and they are in

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<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Fame despite everything that happened. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>no tiered structure now, so the plaque for Barry Bonds

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<v Speaker 1>probably would not say his head grew bigger at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of thirty three, even though that's physically impossible unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing human growth hormone. It probably wouldn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he could get into the Hall of Fame, and

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<v Speaker 1>somebody might be planning to cast a courtesy vote for

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<v Speaker 1>him right now, So Bonds and Clemens are there. Gary Sheffield,

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<v Speaker 1>who also at times faced accusations of deliberately throwing away

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<v Speaker 1>baseballs in protest to how his team was treating him

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<v Speaker 1>and deliberately using performance enhancing drugs, although nothing I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in Sheffield's case was ever proved. Jeff Kent, a great

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<v Speaker 1>second baseman, considered to be a jackass generally speaking. Dale Murphy,

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<v Speaker 1>the exact opposite of that two time Most Valuable Player

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<v Speaker 1>of the Atlanta Braves, one of the most beloved figures

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<v Speaker 1>in sports anywhere in the last half century, and a

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<v Speaker 1>man who, after I believe, the first of those MVP awards,

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<v Speaker 1>the moment the season ended, got on a plane and

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<v Speaker 1>went to Florida to play in the Instructional League because

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't doing well enough the last month of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>I have asked Dale Murphy about this, a man I

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<v Speaker 1>have had the pleasure of knowing since the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>and he then says, well, to be fair, I'd had

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<v Speaker 1>a very bad finish to the season and I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little hurt. I needed basically to do some rehab

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<v Speaker 1>and get my swing back. And I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care why you were there. Nobody else in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of baseball has ever won the Most Valuable Player award

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<v Speaker 1>and then gone to the instructional league to work on

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<v Speaker 1>things to get better for the next year. So Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>is on that list, along with Carlos Delgado, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a good and power hitting catcher and first basement for

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<v Speaker 1>the Toronto Blue Jays and the New York Mets. Don Mattingley,

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<v Speaker 1>who once again does not have a Hall of Fame ring,

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<v Speaker 1>even as a coach with the Toronto Blue Jays, and

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<v Speaker 1>the less I say about that probably the better. But

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<v Speaker 1>Don Mattingley, longtime first baseman for the Yankees, limited in

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<v Speaker 1>particular power numbers later on in his career because of

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<v Speaker 1>a bad back. In my Hall of Fame, he would

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<v Speaker 1>get in in the limited career category. He would be

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<v Speaker 1>in those guys who did not do what they might

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<v Speaker 1>have done. He might be next to Addie Joss, the

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<v Speaker 1>great Cleveland pitcher of the early nineteen hundreds. Go and

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<v Speaker 1>look him up to see why. And then the eighth

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<v Speaker 1>nominee Fernando Valezuela, the legendary pitcher of the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers who set LA a flame in nineteen eighty one

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<v Speaker 1>in a good sense when not expected to make the

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers starting rotation, he wound up pitching Opening Day and

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<v Speaker 1>throwing a string of shutouts and creating Fernando Mania and

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<v Speaker 1>actually introducing almost for the first time, the Hispanic Latino

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<v Speaker 1>crowd to the Dodgers. The Dodgers were not the darlings

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<v Speaker 1>of that audience until Fernando Valezuela came along, and Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>baseball players were not largely recruited or sought in Major

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<v Speaker 1>League Baseball until Fernando Valenzuela. The problem is, as with mattingly,

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<v Speaker 1>that there were limitations. Fernando Valenzuela was a great pitcher

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<v Speaker 1>for three or four years, and then he began a

0:48:48.715 --> 0:48:55.515
<v Speaker 1>rather rapid decline that was hastened by injuries and by eating.

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<v Speaker 1>And he hung on for six or seven years, during

0:48:58.835 --> 0:49:03.875
<v Speaker 1>which he dropped down to mediocrity and getting released twice

0:49:03.955 --> 0:49:06.675
<v Speaker 1>or three times year. And yet he is a Hall

0:49:06.715 --> 0:49:10.355
<v Speaker 1>of Fame nominee. There is a statistic that baseball people

0:49:10.515 --> 0:49:14.475
<v Speaker 1>use with varying degrees of confidence in it, called wins

0:49:14.515 --> 0:49:19.075
<v Speaker 1>above replacement war. It is a complicated formula that tries

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<v Speaker 1>to take in everything from a player's natural talent to

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<v Speaker 1>how he did and how that was influenced by how

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<v Speaker 1>his home ballpark fit him as opposed to not fitting

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<v Speaker 1>other players, and what he did relative to the seasons

0:49:34.515 --> 0:49:37.035
<v Speaker 1>in which he played, which I think is a valuable barometer.

0:49:38.035 --> 0:49:41.195
<v Speaker 1>It comes up with one large number which can be

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<v Speaker 1>added to if you play twenty five years instead of twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>but which gives you Although I don't think I would

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<v Speaker 1>sign on to it as the only arbiter for who's

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<v Speaker 1>better than whom, it does give you relative statistics. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds's war is one hundred and sixty two point eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Clemens is one hundred and thirty nine point two.

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<v Speaker 1>Next on the ballot is Gary Sheffield sixty point five.

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<v Speaker 1>So Gary Sheffield, the third highest war among these eight

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<v Speaker 1>nominees is less than half of the second nominee, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a little bit better than a third of

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<v Speaker 1>the first nominee. Jeff Kent fifty five point four, Dale

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<v Speaker 1>Murphy forty six point five, Delgado forty four point four,

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<v Speaker 1>Mattingly forty two point four, and Balezuela eighth at forty

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<v Speaker 1>one point four. I think among all of these I

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<v Speaker 1>would not and could not still under these circumstances, vote

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<v Speaker 1>for Barry Bonds or for Roger Clemens. I cannot do it.

0:50:47.435 --> 0:50:50.675
<v Speaker 1>I do not know how much of their careers owes

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<v Speaker 1>to performance enhancing drugs. I do know that they made

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<v Speaker 1>a decision to go and use them, and like the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer or would be Hall of Famer shoeless

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Jackson, no matter what you were when you made

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<v Speaker 1>that decision to do something morally bankrupt, you made the

0:51:09.995 --> 0:51:13.195
<v Speaker 1>decision to do something morally bankrupt. You do not get

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<v Speaker 1>credit for the time you were not morally bankrupt yet

0:51:16.955 --> 0:51:20.675
<v Speaker 1>kind of forfeit it. You only get one moral bankruptcy

0:51:20.915 --> 0:51:24.515
<v Speaker 1>assessment unless you decided to come clean at the end

0:51:24.755 --> 0:51:28.115
<v Speaker 1>and ask for forgiveness. And we have not heard that

0:51:28.475 --> 0:51:32.235
<v Speaker 1>from Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. I suspect if either

0:51:32.275 --> 0:51:35.795
<v Speaker 1>of them had at any point said yes, I use

0:51:35.915 --> 0:51:40.275
<v Speaker 1>these drugs, I was wrong. It threw the balance of

0:51:40.315 --> 0:51:43.635
<v Speaker 1>the game out of whack for the entirety of my career,

0:51:43.835 --> 0:51:47.235
<v Speaker 1>and I hope nobody ever does them again. If they

0:51:47.275 --> 0:51:50.955
<v Speaker 1>had done that, I think they probably would have gotten

0:51:50.995 --> 0:51:54.475
<v Speaker 1>into the Hall of Fame legitimately and quickly, and could

0:51:54.475 --> 0:51:57.315
<v Speaker 1>still do that. But there is one thing about being

0:51:57.355 --> 0:52:01.275
<v Speaker 1>a competitor like those two men. That makes that impossible.

0:52:01.555 --> 0:52:05.115
<v Speaker 1>They could not do that. I would vote even though

0:52:05.155 --> 0:52:09.075
<v Speaker 1>he is literally one quarter of the War of Barry Bonds.

0:52:09.435 --> 0:52:14.035
<v Speaker 1>I would vote for Dale Murphy. This is why I

0:52:14.075 --> 0:52:17.235
<v Speaker 1>don't have a vote for all my analysis, and I

0:52:17.275 --> 0:52:21.635
<v Speaker 1>think my baseball historian skills are comparable to almost anybody.

0:52:23.035 --> 0:52:27.115
<v Speaker 1>I do have personal prejudices. I've always been delighted to

0:52:27.155 --> 0:52:29.915
<v Speaker 1>see Dale Murphy, and I'd like to see him in

0:52:29.915 --> 0:52:33.235
<v Speaker 1>the Hall of Fame. But if you are saying, Okay,

0:52:33.275 --> 0:52:35.635
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to count character, We're not going to

0:52:35.675 --> 0:52:37.395
<v Speaker 1>make that an issue. We're going to put Bonds and

0:52:37.435 --> 0:52:41.595
<v Speaker 1>Clemens on the ballot, Well, maybe maybe there should be

0:52:41.635 --> 0:52:44.195
<v Speaker 1>some extra credit given to the good guys of the game,

0:52:44.315 --> 0:52:48.755
<v Speaker 1>like Murphy. Maybe Murphy should be in the war the

0:52:48.795 --> 0:52:52.355
<v Speaker 1>wins above replacement of ethics. Maybe he should be credited

0:52:52.395 --> 0:52:56.875
<v Speaker 1>with forty points. What I found most interesting among all

0:52:56.875 --> 0:52:58.835
<v Speaker 1>of these And no, I would not vote for Mattingly,

0:52:58.915 --> 0:53:00.755
<v Speaker 1>even though I've known him forever and he and I

0:53:00.835 --> 0:53:03.995
<v Speaker 1>have one running joke that dates to the mid nineties.

0:53:03.995 --> 0:53:06.435
<v Speaker 1>If you can imagine such a thing, I would not

0:53:06.555 --> 0:53:09.435
<v Speaker 1>vote for Mattingly under these circumstances. Although I would welcome

0:53:09.515 --> 0:53:13.195
<v Speaker 1>him into a tiered Hall of Fame, I would also

0:53:13.275 --> 0:53:16.475
<v Speaker 1>not vote for Valezuela. Again, the same thing. If you're

0:53:16.515 --> 0:53:18.155
<v Speaker 1>going to have part of the Hall of Fame in

0:53:18.195 --> 0:53:21.555
<v Speaker 1>which a guy is the biggest figure in baseball and

0:53:21.675 --> 0:53:25.515
<v Speaker 1>changes the sport in one community for a while, yes

0:53:25.555 --> 0:53:28.035
<v Speaker 1>I could see it, but that's not the rules right now.

0:53:28.555 --> 0:53:31.115
<v Speaker 1>And again, if we're going to put in Valenzuela, we're

0:53:31.155 --> 0:53:33.195
<v Speaker 1>going to put in Mattingly, We're going to put in

0:53:33.275 --> 0:53:35.835
<v Speaker 1>tim Linsecom, We're going to put in Buster your posey.

0:53:35.875 --> 0:53:37.635
<v Speaker 1>We're going to put in a lot of guys who

0:53:37.675 --> 0:53:40.555
<v Speaker 1>really don't have Hall of Fame careers but had Hall

0:53:40.595 --> 0:53:44.515
<v Speaker 1>of Fame five year spans. And again, there's a lot

0:53:44.515 --> 0:53:47.235
<v Speaker 1>of space in Cooperstown, New York. As they said in

0:53:47.275 --> 0:53:50.675
<v Speaker 1>a somewhat flawed movie in which a friend of mine,

0:53:51.635 --> 0:53:57.595
<v Speaker 1>Josh Charles, appeared, called Cooperstown. It's a rural area. There's

0:53:57.675 --> 0:54:00.515
<v Speaker 1>lots of extra space in Cooperstown. Well, you could add

0:54:00.515 --> 0:54:02.675
<v Speaker 1>one hundred or two hundred Hall of famers and not

0:54:02.875 --> 0:54:06.115
<v Speaker 1>really have to knock any other buildings down. Why not,

0:54:06.475 --> 0:54:08.915
<v Speaker 1>why not have more Hall of Famers? Why not let

0:54:08.955 --> 0:54:12.355
<v Speaker 1>these guys charge more for their autographs. Why not say

0:54:12.515 --> 0:54:14.995
<v Speaker 1>we don't have just three hundred or four hundred Hall

0:54:15.035 --> 0:54:17.115
<v Speaker 1>of Fame, we have five hundred Hall of Fame players.

0:54:17.355 --> 0:54:20.875
<v Speaker 1>What's the difference. So I'd like a big Hall of Fame.

0:54:20.915 --> 0:54:22.595
<v Speaker 1>But until we have a big Hall of Fame, I

0:54:22.635 --> 0:54:25.195
<v Speaker 1>can't vote for Fernando and I can't vote for Don Mattingly.

0:54:25.555 --> 0:54:28.715
<v Speaker 1>No on Carlos Delgado, No on Jeff Kent a good

0:54:28.755 --> 0:54:31.235
<v Speaker 1>second basement but not a great one, and no on

0:54:31.315 --> 0:54:34.515
<v Speaker 1>Gary Sheffield, in part because there are two guys of

0:54:34.555 --> 0:54:38.755
<v Speaker 1>this era who are not nominated who I would actually

0:54:38.795 --> 0:54:44.155
<v Speaker 1>have as my second and third votes. Dwight Evans had

0:54:44.195 --> 0:54:47.315
<v Speaker 1>the best outfield arm I ever saw until the time

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<v Speaker 1>of Eachiro Suzuki. His war sixty seven point two would

0:54:52.635 --> 0:54:56.195
<v Speaker 1>place him third on this list, and Keith Hernandez, the

0:54:56.235 --> 0:54:58.235
<v Speaker 1>first basement of the New York Mets and now their

0:54:58.275 --> 0:55:01.115
<v Speaker 1>commentator and first basement of the Saint Louis Cardinals, had

0:55:01.115 --> 0:55:04.635
<v Speaker 1>a war of sixty point four, which would put him

0:55:04.755 --> 0:55:07.635
<v Speaker 1>him right behind the number three guy on this list,

0:55:07.635 --> 0:55:10.835
<v Speaker 1>Gary Sheffield, at sixty point five. Keith Hernandez was the

0:55:10.875 --> 0:55:15.155
<v Speaker 1>most impressive and the most aggressive defensive player I have

0:55:15.275 --> 0:55:19.275
<v Speaker 1>ever seen. He played first base the way a really

0:55:19.875 --> 0:55:24.675
<v Speaker 1>talented safety played safety in the National Football League, or

0:55:24.715 --> 0:55:28.715
<v Speaker 1>the way a pass rusher a linebacker like Dick Butkus

0:55:28.795 --> 0:55:31.235
<v Speaker 1>played that position in the National Football League, or the

0:55:31.235 --> 0:55:34.515
<v Speaker 1>way a good goaltender plays it in hockey. He said,

0:55:34.915 --> 0:55:38.275
<v Speaker 1>let me stop the offense. And he was a very

0:55:38.315 --> 0:55:40.595
<v Speaker 1>good hitter as well, and one time MVP of the

0:55:40.675 --> 0:55:44.595
<v Speaker 1>National League. So that's the way I would do it.

0:55:45.075 --> 0:55:47.995
<v Speaker 1>But of course, as I said, if they were to

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<v Speaker 1>adopt my plans, which I have been proposing more or

0:55:50.555 --> 0:55:53.835
<v Speaker 1>less continuously since. Let me check my notes here. The

0:55:53.875 --> 0:55:56.115
<v Speaker 1>first article I wrote about redoing the Hall of Fame

0:55:56.195 --> 0:56:03.795
<v Speaker 1>vote was in oh nineteen a one. Oh no, that's

0:56:03.835 --> 0:56:06.875
<v Speaker 1>not the first one. I wrote one in nineteen seventy

0:56:06.915 --> 0:56:12.795
<v Speaker 1>eight when Dale Murphy was a rookie. They still haven't

0:56:12.795 --> 0:56:16.035
<v Speaker 1>gotten around to approving it. In fact, every time they

0:56:16.075 --> 0:56:19.235
<v Speaker 1>talk about changes in the Hall of Fame, I don't

0:56:19.275 --> 0:56:35.955
<v Speaker 1>even get a goddamn courtesy vote. I do like that

0:56:36.075 --> 0:56:37.675
<v Speaker 1>idea of having the Hall of Fame, though with a

0:56:37.755 --> 0:56:43.195
<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens steroid era place, with Mark McGuire

0:56:43.275 --> 0:56:46.035
<v Speaker 1>and Pete Rose in it. Joe Jackson and a lot

0:56:46.035 --> 0:56:47.595
<v Speaker 1>of the other players who were thrown out of the

0:56:47.635 --> 0:56:50.915
<v Speaker 1>game for gambling and other nefarious acts. I like that,

0:56:51.475 --> 0:56:53.915
<v Speaker 1>and you keep the lights low, and you know, if

0:56:53.955 --> 0:56:55.475
<v Speaker 1>you really want to go in there, you have to,

0:56:55.515 --> 0:57:00.355
<v Speaker 1>like rent a flashlight. I think I'm onto something here.

0:57:02.955 --> 0:57:05.315
<v Speaker 1>Could be the decline of my own mental faculties, but

0:57:05.315 --> 0:57:07.995
<v Speaker 1>I'm onto something. I've done all the damage I can

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<v Speaker 1>do here. Thank you for listening. Most of our Countdown

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<v Speaker 1>you could put the designated hitters in the limited career

0:57:27.275 --> 0:57:31.555
<v Speaker 1>category two because they're not actually Hall of famers because

0:57:31.755 --> 0:57:37.395
<v Speaker 1>they don't play defense. I'll do a commentary about that sometime, GI,

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<v Speaker 1>just of it being in the old days, somebody who

0:57:39.675 --> 0:57:42.275
<v Speaker 1>fielded so badly that he could not have been a

0:57:42.355 --> 0:57:45.355
<v Speaker 1>regular hitter, wasn't a regular hitter and usually wasn't in

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<v Speaker 1>the major leagues. How many guys made it to the

0:57:48.995 --> 0:57:51.275
<v Speaker 1>major leagues and now to the Hall of Fame because

0:57:51.275 --> 0:57:54.835
<v Speaker 1>they instituted this rule, who otherwise would have spent their years,

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<v Speaker 1>their lives playing for Salt Lake City of the Pacific

0:57:59.035 --> 0:58:03.715
<v Speaker 1>Coast League. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Our

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<v Speaker 1>group No Horns Allowed. My announcer today is my friend

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<v Speaker 1>Mariner Kenny Main, who will vote for anybody from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else was, as always my fault. That's countdown for today,

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<v Speaker 1>Day two hundred and ninety one of America held hostage

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<v Speaker 1>again and just seventy two days until the scheduled end

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<v Speaker 1>of his lame duck and lame brain term unless he

0:58:41.555 --> 0:58:46.395
<v Speaker 1>is removed sooner by MAGA and Jeffrey Epstein and the

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<v Speaker 1>pavement patch on his hand or tail and hall, or

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<v Speaker 1>the jet made out of poop, or his next scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>Alzheimer's test. The next scheduled countdown is Monday. Until then,

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