1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:24,035 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. First 2 00:00:24,075 --> 00:00:30,835 Speaker 1: full night of sleep in more than one year, not 3 00:00:30,955 --> 00:00:36,755 Speaker 1: an analogy. Literally Tuesday night, first full, uninterrupted, boring night 4 00:00:36,915 --> 00:00:41,355 Speaker 1: of sleep in more than a year. And what was 5 00:00:41,435 --> 00:00:44,955 Speaker 1: my reward to wake up to Trump beginning a climb 6 00:00:45,035 --> 00:00:48,315 Speaker 1: down from the shutdown? To wake up to Mayor elect 7 00:00:48,355 --> 00:00:52,755 Speaker 1: Mamdani and Governor elect Cheryl and Governor Elect Spanberger and 8 00:00:52,875 --> 00:00:56,955 Speaker 1: PROMP fifty passing and every one of Virginia's ninety five 9 00:00:57,075 --> 00:01:01,315 Speaker 1: counties getting more blue. To wake up to the reality 10 00:01:01,675 --> 00:01:05,435 Speaker 1: that Trump has absolutely no idea, he got the shit 11 00:01:05,635 --> 00:01:09,955 Speaker 1: kicked out of him, and that Trump is deranged syndrome 12 00:01:10,315 --> 00:01:14,875 Speaker 1: is fatal, not fixable. To wake up to the reality 13 00:01:14,915 --> 00:01:16,995 Speaker 1: that the real outcome of the elections in New York, 14 00:01:16,995 --> 00:01:21,475 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Virginia, California and everywhere else was Trump's sense 15 00:01:21,675 --> 00:01:25,155 Speaker 1: of permanence, his own sense that the murder he's been 16 00:01:25,195 --> 00:01:28,435 Speaker 1: getting away with he'll continue to get away with, and 17 00:01:28,515 --> 00:01:30,915 Speaker 1: the sense of his supporters, and the sense of the 18 00:01:30,955 --> 00:01:34,155 Speaker 1: moronic political media, and even the sense of some of 19 00:01:34,235 --> 00:01:39,675 Speaker 1: us resisting him. They're our sense that he will continue 20 00:01:39,675 --> 00:01:45,595 Speaker 1: to get away with it. Gone. Permanence is the default 21 00:01:45,595 --> 00:01:49,275 Speaker 1: position of almost all politicians, and especially the corrupt and 22 00:01:49,355 --> 00:01:53,515 Speaker 1: stupid ones. Permanence is the default position of all mainstream 23 00:01:53,595 --> 00:01:56,675 Speaker 1: political reporters and analysts, and the higher up the food 24 00:01:56,755 --> 00:02:02,675 Speaker 1: chain they are, the more they cling to permanence Because Mortgages. 25 00:02:04,715 --> 00:02:07,315 Speaker 1: I have long thought that the most perceptive analysis of 26 00:02:07,475 --> 00:02:12,875 Speaker 1: politicians ever anywhere was unintentional, and it is in the 27 00:02:12,955 --> 00:02:15,835 Speaker 1: last place you would look for it. The Beatles movie 28 00:02:16,115 --> 00:02:21,395 Speaker 1: help from the Leo McKern character, the hazily defined Eastern 29 00:02:21,475 --> 00:02:27,595 Speaker 1: religious sacrificial cult leader Klang. The sacrificial ring is missing. 30 00:02:27,835 --> 00:02:31,835 Speaker 1: Klang says, something must be done without the ring. There 31 00:02:31,835 --> 00:02:34,715 Speaker 1: will be no sacrifice without the sacrifice. There will be 32 00:02:34,755 --> 00:02:43,235 Speaker 1: no congregation without the congregation. No more me. His deputy 33 00:02:43,275 --> 00:02:49,915 Speaker 1: then says this is so, so Klang hits him. Klang 34 00:02:49,995 --> 00:02:55,475 Speaker 1: is Trump. Klang is also JV. Vance. Klang is also 35 00:02:55,635 --> 00:03:00,515 Speaker 1: Van Jones. Klang is also Eric Adams. Klang is also 36 00:03:00,595 --> 00:03:03,875 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo. Klang is also Chris Cuomo. Klang is also 37 00:03:03,955 --> 00:03:07,715 Speaker 1: Chris Matthew. Klang is also Matthew Iglesias. I could go on, 38 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:13,715 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Klang is everybody on Fox, No more me. 39 00:03:15,395 --> 00:03:19,515 Speaker 1: Trump wasn't on the ballot, Trump screamed in pain at 40 00:03:19,515 --> 00:03:23,635 Speaker 1: ten pm Tuesday night. And shut down were the two 41 00:03:23,675 --> 00:03:31,235 Speaker 1: reasons that Republicans lost elections tonight. Bullshit, poor Trump. There 42 00:03:31,315 --> 00:03:33,315 Speaker 1: is a news flash in there, and I'll get to 43 00:03:33,355 --> 00:03:35,395 Speaker 1: that in a moment, But first, while we are watching 44 00:03:35,435 --> 00:03:39,395 Speaker 1: him squirm, let's remember to make him squirm even harder. 45 00:03:40,195 --> 00:03:43,595 Speaker 1: Trump not only was on the ballot every ballot, but 46 00:03:43,675 --> 00:03:46,115 Speaker 1: he was on the ballot in the worst possible way. 47 00:03:46,355 --> 00:03:49,675 Speaker 1: Everybody could vote no on him, but it was almost 48 00:03:49,755 --> 00:03:54,755 Speaker 1: impossible to vote yes. The lame duck politician's worst nightmare. 49 00:03:55,315 --> 00:04:00,075 Speaker 1: To paraphrase another unlikely source, the sixties and seventies political 50 00:04:00,075 --> 00:04:03,995 Speaker 1: impressionist David Fry, a lame duck like Trump can only 51 00:04:04,035 --> 00:04:09,315 Speaker 1: accept blame. He cannot accept responsibility. As Fry said, and 52 00:04:09,395 --> 00:04:13,195 Speaker 1: he said it in an immaculate impersonation of Richard Nixon, 53 00:04:13,715 --> 00:04:17,875 Speaker 1: those who are to blame lose their jobs. Those who 54 00:04:17,955 --> 00:04:26,515 Speaker 1: are responsible do not. Trump is to blame. Actually, there 55 00:04:26,555 --> 00:04:29,715 Speaker 1: are two newsflashes in what he said and wrote. The 56 00:04:29,755 --> 00:04:34,515 Speaker 1: second one is these results may increase slightly the chance 57 00:04:34,515 --> 00:04:38,915 Speaker 1: he goes full dictator, so there aren't any more elections 58 00:04:39,235 --> 00:04:41,795 Speaker 1: because he knows he's going to lose them all from 59 00:04:41,795 --> 00:04:44,955 Speaker 1: here on in whatever you think the odds are on 60 00:04:44,995 --> 00:04:49,395 Speaker 1: that maybe they went up one or two percent, But 61 00:04:49,475 --> 00:04:52,915 Speaker 1: the more immediate news flash he repeated to Senate Republicans 62 00:04:52,955 --> 00:04:55,515 Speaker 1: in a White House breakfast yesterday, which if it did 63 00:04:55,515 --> 00:04:58,835 Speaker 1: not feature Trump throwing catchup at them, it could have. 64 00:04:59,515 --> 00:05:05,515 Speaker 1: In his panicked post, he blamed the shutdown to the 65 00:05:05,555 --> 00:05:12,915 Speaker 1: Republicans in the Senate. At the breakfast, he blamed the shutdown. He, 66 00:05:13,635 --> 00:05:16,635 Speaker 1: quoting the report, said that the GOP is getting hurt 67 00:05:16,675 --> 00:05:18,915 Speaker 1: more by the shutdown than Democrats because they are in 68 00:05:18,995 --> 00:05:24,795 Speaker 1: charge in Washington. Per source. Well, it's finally happened on 69 00:05:24,795 --> 00:05:27,595 Speaker 1: one issue, the shutdown. Trump is, of course, one hundred 70 00:05:27,635 --> 00:05:32,835 Speaker 1: percent correct. He may be wrong about nearly everything. He 71 00:05:32,955 --> 00:05:36,355 Speaker 1: is usually either repeating something he misheard in nineteen seventy 72 00:05:36,395 --> 00:05:38,755 Speaker 1: two or something that happened to him in a dream 73 00:05:38,835 --> 00:05:42,075 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty five. He may have just again told 74 00:05:42,115 --> 00:05:45,355 Speaker 1: the media that you can't buy gas or groceries without ID, 75 00:05:46,315 --> 00:05:49,755 Speaker 1: possibly because the last time he actually bought groceries with mommy, 76 00:05:50,235 --> 00:05:53,275 Speaker 1: she paid by check and you had to show the 77 00:05:53,355 --> 00:05:57,275 Speaker 1: manager and ID to use the check, which is how 78 00:05:57,275 --> 00:05:59,675 Speaker 1: it worked in the sixties. I know I was there. 79 00:05:59,795 --> 00:06:04,075 Speaker 1: My mommy did it too. Of course, the Republicans are 80 00:06:04,075 --> 00:06:06,235 Speaker 1: blamed for the sho shut down. Trump is blamed for 81 00:06:06,275 --> 00:06:09,995 Speaker 1: the shutdown. It's their shutdown. But Trump still believes this 82 00:06:10,115 --> 00:06:14,875 Speaker 1: is fixable by eliminating the filibuster because Trump's Republicans may 83 00:06:14,915 --> 00:06:19,635 Speaker 1: differ from say, Dick Cheney's Republicans in a million ways, 84 00:06:19,635 --> 00:06:22,755 Speaker 1: but one core way they are identical is they are 85 00:06:22,835 --> 00:06:26,715 Speaker 1: fully committed to the bit. If you do something evil 86 00:06:27,275 --> 00:06:31,195 Speaker 1: and it doesn't work, if it doesn't scare people into 87 00:06:31,275 --> 00:06:36,275 Speaker 1: voting for you, your mistake clearly was it wasn't evil enough. 88 00:06:37,155 --> 00:06:41,195 Speaker 1: Do it more, do it worse. Whatever doesn't work, do 89 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:46,515 Speaker 1: it again, do it more. Senate Republicans will not nuke 90 00:06:46,595 --> 00:06:49,755 Speaker 1: the filibuster for the same reason that Kirsten Cinema would 91 00:06:49,795 --> 00:06:52,995 Speaker 1: not nuke the filibuster, and the same reason most mainstream 92 00:06:53,115 --> 00:06:55,875 Speaker 1: Democrats won't nuke the philibuster, but just won't say so. 93 00:06:56,475 --> 00:06:59,555 Speaker 1: The filibuster is the only thing that keeps the Senate 94 00:07:00,155 --> 00:07:05,435 Speaker 1: alive at every crossroads on the path that leads to 95 00:07:05,515 --> 00:07:10,355 Speaker 1: the future. The Belgian poet Maurice Metterlink wrote, each progressive 96 00:07:10,355 --> 00:07:15,035 Speaker 1: spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard 97 00:07:15,275 --> 00:07:20,435 Speaker 1: the past. The Senate is only one hundred of them, 98 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:23,795 Speaker 1: men and women appointed to guard the past. But that's 99 00:07:23,835 --> 00:07:27,995 Speaker 1: who Metalink meant. If they cannot build a dam against 100 00:07:28,035 --> 00:07:31,435 Speaker 1: every reform, if there isn't a now impossible to reach 101 00:07:31,555 --> 00:07:34,995 Speaker 1: majority of sixty on nearly everything, the House will go 102 00:07:35,515 --> 00:07:38,715 Speaker 1: from about twenty percent of national legislative power to about 103 00:07:38,795 --> 00:07:43,475 Speaker 1: ninety percent. The Senate won't count anymore. How is a 104 00:07:43,515 --> 00:07:47,595 Speaker 1: minority party senator supposed to sell his vote if his 105 00:07:47,715 --> 00:07:54,115 Speaker 1: vote can no longer cause the toilets to overflow? At 106 00:07:54,115 --> 00:07:57,275 Speaker 1: every crossroads on the path that leads to the future, 107 00:07:57,755 --> 00:08:03,275 Speaker 1: each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed 108 00:08:03,675 --> 00:08:11,155 Speaker 1: to make sure the toilets overflow. A kind of doubt, 109 00:08:11,195 --> 00:08:14,995 Speaker 1: Trump quoted Metterlink even my revised version of Metalink. When 110 00:08:15,075 --> 00:08:18,795 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham allegedly yelled at him yesterday about the filibuster, 111 00:08:18,995 --> 00:08:23,155 Speaker 1: I kind of doubt. Graham even quoted Klang. Maybe the 112 00:08:23,235 --> 00:08:26,555 Speaker 1: part about now ma R may, but you get the 113 00:08:26,595 --> 00:08:31,195 Speaker 1: point that he has been repudiated has not yet fully 114 00:08:31,355 --> 00:08:35,195 Speaker 1: dawned on Trump, but that the shutdown has been repudiated 115 00:08:35,275 --> 00:08:38,115 Speaker 1: that has dawned on him. He realizes that what he 116 00:08:38,195 --> 00:08:42,915 Speaker 1: thought was a plus is in fact a disaster. He 117 00:08:42,995 --> 00:08:46,115 Speaker 1: has a solution to this, shoot the filibuster and get 118 00:08:46,155 --> 00:08:49,995 Speaker 1: everything he wants done and done now, but not even 119 00:08:49,995 --> 00:08:53,235 Speaker 1: his Senate Todys will do that. He will eventually, therefore, 120 00:08:53,315 --> 00:08:58,395 Speaker 1: panic and move to another solution. He alone can end 121 00:08:58,515 --> 00:09:02,715 Speaker 1: the shutdown. He will sell out his Senate toadies. He 122 00:09:02,795 --> 00:09:05,995 Speaker 1: will make Mike Johnson look like an id to the 123 00:09:07,035 --> 00:09:09,355 Speaker 1: twenty two percent of the country that does not yet 124 00:09:09,515 --> 00:09:12,835 Speaker 1: know he's an idiot. He will proclaim himself a hero. 125 00:09:13,795 --> 00:09:16,315 Speaker 1: It will be like Trump and China and the soybeans. 126 00:09:16,315 --> 00:09:18,035 Speaker 1: Look at me, I'm the hero. I just got the 127 00:09:18,155 --> 00:09:20,395 Speaker 1: Chinese to agree to buy as many soybeans as they 128 00:09:20,435 --> 00:09:23,355 Speaker 1: were buying before I created this crisis. Look at me, 129 00:09:23,475 --> 00:09:25,795 Speaker 1: I'm the hero. I just got the government to be open, 130 00:09:26,075 --> 00:09:28,315 Speaker 1: just like it was before I created the crisis where 131 00:09:28,355 --> 00:09:35,275 Speaker 1: it closed. Me me me iy iy i, Trump Trump, Trump, Okay. 132 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:39,915 Speaker 1: Out of the weeds, into the lessons, the lessons of 133 00:09:39,995 --> 00:09:47,075 Speaker 1: the democratic landslide. First, socialism was not on the ballot 134 00:09:47,755 --> 00:09:53,395 Speaker 1: democratic socialist. That has that This country has been capitalist 135 00:09:53,515 --> 00:09:57,835 Speaker 1: socialist for at least ninety two years since FDR was 136 00:09:57,875 --> 00:10:01,315 Speaker 1: sworn in maybe since nineteen thirteen, when the sixteenth Amendment 137 00:10:01,355 --> 00:10:04,555 Speaker 1: passed and we established a federal income tax. Maybe seventeen 138 00:10:04,875 --> 00:10:11,755 Speaker 1: six Keep your goddamn government hands off, my socialist medicare off, 139 00:10:11,795 --> 00:10:18,915 Speaker 1: my socialist medicaid off, my socialist social security off, my 140 00:10:19,115 --> 00:10:26,235 Speaker 1: socialist blues state support for financially insoluble red states Mam 141 00:10:26,315 --> 00:10:29,755 Speaker 1: Donnie a socialist. Did you see the exit polls in 142 00:10:29,875 --> 00:10:35,115 Speaker 1: New York? Do you consider yourself a democratic socialist? Sixty 143 00:10:35,195 --> 00:10:38,955 Speaker 1: nine percent of New York's voters said no, twenty five 144 00:10:39,035 --> 00:10:43,315 Speaker 1: percent said yes. Three percent of New York voters who 145 00:10:43,355 --> 00:10:47,115 Speaker 1: said yes, we're democratic socialists also said we're voting for 146 00:10:47,155 --> 00:10:53,635 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo. The word socialism is meaningless. Mamdanni beat the 147 00:10:53,675 --> 00:10:58,275 Speaker 1: shit out of Cuomo. The old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine 148 00:10:58,315 --> 00:11:02,235 Speaker 1: politics typical craft shack New York Democrat in the primary 149 00:11:02,915 --> 00:11:07,435 Speaker 1: and after the old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine political typical 150 00:11:07,755 --> 00:11:11,235 Speaker 1: crap shack billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and Bill Ackman spent 151 00:11:11,355 --> 00:11:13,995 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars to prop up the old 152 00:11:13,995 --> 00:11:18,875 Speaker 1: school corrupt, antidiluvian machine politics typical crapshack New York Democrat 153 00:11:19,275 --> 00:11:21,875 Speaker 1: and got three quarters of Republicans to vote for him. 154 00:11:22,195 --> 00:11:29,395 Speaker 1: After that, after making Cuomo the Fusion all Evil Parties candidate, 155 00:11:31,155 --> 00:11:33,395 Speaker 1: and got seven out of ten Trump supporters in New 156 00:11:33,475 --> 00:11:37,315 Speaker 1: York to vote for Cuomo. Even after all that, ma'am 157 00:11:37,395 --> 00:11:43,595 Speaker 1: Danny beat the shit out of him again. Lesson here, 158 00:11:44,755 --> 00:11:54,675 Speaker 1: Trump is undiluted, untreatable political death in blue states. He is, though, 159 00:11:54,755 --> 00:12:00,315 Speaker 1: becoming political death in Purple states. He is moving inexorably 160 00:12:00,355 --> 00:12:05,915 Speaker 1: towards becoming political death in red states. This is what 161 00:12:05,995 --> 00:12:12,035 Speaker 1: we found out during the Democratic landslide. The other lessons, 162 00:12:12,075 --> 00:12:16,195 Speaker 1: Ma'm donnie ran on your money issues and that Trump 163 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:21,515 Speaker 1: equals death. Not difficult, easy to remember, useful on all occasions. 164 00:12:22,235 --> 00:12:27,995 Speaker 1: Your money issues and Trump equals death. Worked in New York, 165 00:12:28,035 --> 00:12:30,715 Speaker 1: where they elected a socialist who got majority support from 166 00:12:30,755 --> 00:12:35,475 Speaker 1: Democrats who aren't socialists. Worked in Virginia where they elected 167 00:12:35,475 --> 00:12:38,635 Speaker 1: as governor and ex congresswomen born in Jersey. Worked in 168 00:12:38,755 --> 00:12:42,035 Speaker 1: Jersey where they elected as governor and ex congress woman 169 00:12:42,195 --> 00:12:48,035 Speaker 1: born in Virginia. Your money issues and Trump equals death, 170 00:12:50,035 --> 00:12:54,595 Speaker 1: both of them useful on all occasions. It's a floor 171 00:12:54,715 --> 00:13:02,875 Speaker 1: wax and a dessert topping. Other lessons Chuck Schumer resign 172 00:13:03,755 --> 00:13:06,795 Speaker 1: at least a Senate I'm an already leader. You were 173 00:13:06,915 --> 00:13:09,995 Speaker 1: one of metterlinks thousand men appointed to guard the past. 174 00:13:10,115 --> 00:13:14,035 Speaker 1: Guess what the future got passed you? Resign, Get out 175 00:13:14,075 --> 00:13:19,795 Speaker 1: of the way. David Axelrod and Van Jones, who criticized 176 00:13:20,275 --> 00:13:23,715 Speaker 1: mom Donnie's victory speech, let me paraphrase you had another 177 00:13:23,915 --> 00:13:27,715 Speaker 1: pop reference another movie, The Sweet Smell of Success. Burt 178 00:13:27,835 --> 00:13:33,915 Speaker 1: Lancaster is the monstrous gossip columnist JJ Hunsecker, Van David, 179 00:13:34,595 --> 00:13:42,595 Speaker 1: your politically dead son, get yourself buried. Governor elect Spanberger, congratulations, 180 00:13:42,635 --> 00:13:46,475 Speaker 1: Now fix the toilet that you cause to overflow. Why 181 00:13:46,555 --> 00:13:48,915 Speaker 1: is it that everybody keeps thinking somebody running in a city, 182 00:13:48,955 --> 00:13:52,355 Speaker 1: admittedly an enormous city, that that is the deciding race. Well, 183 00:13:52,395 --> 00:13:55,395 Speaker 1: maybe governor elect, because right now, in all of Virginia 184 00:13:55,595 --> 00:13:58,795 Speaker 1: forty two thousand square miles, the population is only three 185 00:13:58,875 --> 00:14:00,955 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three thousand people more than in New 186 00:14:01,035 --> 00:14:05,075 Speaker 1: York City four hundred and sixty eight square miles. Asked 187 00:14:05,075 --> 00:14:07,195 Speaker 1: about mom Donnie saying he had won the fight for 188 00:14:07,235 --> 00:14:11,555 Speaker 1: the soul of the future of the Democratic Party, probably 189 00:14:11,595 --> 00:14:15,755 Speaker 1: a boast that he didn't need to make. Spanberger reposted, 190 00:14:16,595 --> 00:14:21,275 Speaker 1: then maybe he should be a Democrat, Madam Governor elect 191 00:14:21,875 --> 00:14:30,195 Speaker 1: stfu a new rule here. We are here to save democracy. 192 00:14:30,475 --> 00:14:34,155 Speaker 1: We are here to end the Trumpsts. We are here 193 00:14:34,315 --> 00:14:40,115 Speaker 1: to save America, not to polish our own asses. Trump 194 00:14:40,395 --> 00:14:44,675 Speaker 1: fired thousands of Virginians and backed a raving lunatic who 195 00:14:44,755 --> 00:14:47,955 Speaker 1: had a one issue campaign that apparently only she and 196 00:14:48,435 --> 00:14:52,555 Speaker 1: Riley Gaines given f about maybe you could chill on 197 00:14:52,675 --> 00:14:55,955 Speaker 1: taking potshots at Mam Donnie and get back to business 198 00:14:55,995 --> 00:15:00,275 Speaker 1: having been gifted a landslide by Donald Trump. Or or 199 00:15:00,715 --> 00:15:03,195 Speaker 1: go ahead, get on the Chuck Schumer bandwagon. And I 200 00:15:03,275 --> 00:15:06,795 Speaker 1: mean that literally. I come completely believe now that Chuck 201 00:15:06,835 --> 00:15:13,835 Speaker 1: Schumer travels by horse drawn bandwagon. Whoa slow down? We 202 00:15:13,915 --> 00:15:17,235 Speaker 1: must be going eight nine miles an hour, Gabby, No 203 00:15:17,555 --> 00:15:25,195 Speaker 1: human can survive this speed. Other other lessons more philosophical. 204 00:15:25,195 --> 00:15:28,155 Speaker 1: The pundits were wrong. Of course, the pundits were wrong. 205 00:15:29,275 --> 00:15:32,755 Speaker 1: The rule of punditry is only leaped to the most obvious, 206 00:15:32,915 --> 00:15:37,555 Speaker 1: least uncertain conclusion. A poll shows the Democratic Party is 207 00:15:37,635 --> 00:15:40,355 Speaker 1: less popular than it used to be. Well, that must 208 00:15:40,355 --> 00:15:43,235 Speaker 1: be because nobody wants to vote Democratic orherever will vote 209 00:15:43,235 --> 00:15:47,995 Speaker 1: Democratic again, Except if you'd read the second line of 210 00:15:48,035 --> 00:15:51,875 Speaker 1: the story. The second line on the poll result indicated 211 00:15:51,915 --> 00:15:54,715 Speaker 1: that most of those who were dissatisfied with the Democratic 212 00:15:54,755 --> 00:15:58,035 Speaker 1: Party were Democrats who thought that the Democrats were not 213 00:15:58,155 --> 00:16:01,835 Speaker 1: fighting hard enough against Trump and the economic disaster of 214 00:16:01,875 --> 00:16:08,595 Speaker 1: our times. Look, there are only two possibilities for that 215 00:16:08,675 --> 00:16:12,115 Speaker 1: the Democratic brand is damaged. Bullshit. It's either that, Yes, 216 00:16:12,195 --> 00:16:15,835 Speaker 1: Democrats are less popular generally, and when put to the 217 00:16:16,195 --> 00:16:19,195 Speaker 1: first one hundred or so tests, the first one hundred 218 00:16:19,275 --> 00:16:22,355 Speaker 1: or so important votes this Tuesday, it didn't matter at 219 00:16:22,395 --> 00:16:28,555 Speaker 1: all because the final was Democrats one hundred, Republicans nothing. 220 00:16:28,675 --> 00:16:32,635 Speaker 1: They were just watching. It's either that or it's what 221 00:16:32,755 --> 00:16:37,475 Speaker 1: I just said. Democrats want more Mamdani, less Cuomo, more Newsome, 222 00:16:37,875 --> 00:16:43,275 Speaker 1: less Schumer, more punches thrown, less moderate third way crap. 223 00:16:43,315 --> 00:16:45,515 Speaker 1: And by the way, you know what way the third 224 00:16:45,555 --> 00:16:49,835 Speaker 1: way is. The third way is losing badly. That's what 225 00:16:49,915 --> 00:16:53,515 Speaker 1: the third way is. First way is winning, Second way 226 00:16:53,635 --> 00:16:58,395 Speaker 1: is losing. Third way is losing badly. I want this 227 00:16:58,475 --> 00:17:05,555 Speaker 1: new group running the Democrats first way. Other lessons, you 228 00:17:05,635 --> 00:17:09,995 Speaker 1: cannot fire all of northern Virginia and then win Virginia. 229 00:17:11,115 --> 00:17:17,035 Speaker 1: You cannot gestapo Latinos and win Latinos or most non Latinos. 230 00:17:17,795 --> 00:17:22,635 Speaker 1: You can't starve America and win America. And you can't 231 00:17:22,715 --> 00:17:27,715 Speaker 1: threaten and abuse Jewish voters and win Jewish voters. Anybody 232 00:17:27,795 --> 00:17:31,955 Speaker 1: notice that Trump before the New York election, quote any 233 00:17:32,075 --> 00:17:35,475 Speaker 1: Jewish person that votes for Zorn Mamdani, a proven and 234 00:17:35,635 --> 00:17:40,915 Speaker 1: self professed Jew hater, is a stupid person. Anybody else 235 00:17:40,995 --> 00:17:43,315 Speaker 1: notice the fir guy who claims to be a friend 236 00:17:43,475 --> 00:17:47,515 Speaker 1: to Jews, a protector of the Jewish people, an honorary jew. 237 00:17:47,755 --> 00:17:52,835 Speaker 1: Trump short calls Jewish people quote disloyal and quote ungrateful, 238 00:17:53,115 --> 00:18:00,515 Speaker 1: and quote stupid. A lot one last lesson. You know 239 00:18:00,555 --> 00:18:06,635 Speaker 1: why Mamdani won the messages. Obviously, the actual seven word 240 00:18:06,715 --> 00:18:12,315 Speaker 1: templates all Democrats everywhere should run on your money issues 241 00:18:12,995 --> 00:18:19,075 Speaker 1: and Trump equals death. But the other part is almost 242 00:18:19,115 --> 00:18:24,875 Speaker 1: as simple. He looks and sounds like he's good at this, 243 00:18:26,355 --> 00:18:31,595 Speaker 1: good at campaigning, good at talking to actual people off 244 00:18:31,795 --> 00:18:36,795 Speaker 1: the cuff, good at making government actually do good stuff. 245 00:18:37,955 --> 00:18:40,875 Speaker 1: Obama looked and sounded like that. John F. Kennedy looked 246 00:18:40,875 --> 00:18:43,915 Speaker 1: and sounded like that. Even Trump looked like a dumbed 247 00:18:43,995 --> 00:18:47,075 Speaker 1: down version of that. What bad people think a good 248 00:18:47,115 --> 00:18:51,475 Speaker 1: person looks and sounds like we underrate one word in 249 00:18:51,555 --> 00:18:55,915 Speaker 1: assessing everything in life, but especially in public life, The 250 00:18:55,955 --> 00:19:00,795 Speaker 1: word is good. We delve and analyze and dissect and 251 00:19:00,875 --> 00:19:05,235 Speaker 1: cross tab and chew and punditize and rehash and dive, 252 00:19:05,315 --> 00:19:11,035 Speaker 1: and and we miss the essential. Most people are not 253 00:19:11,275 --> 00:19:17,315 Speaker 1: good at their jobs. Most TV shows are not good. 254 00:19:17,835 --> 00:19:22,435 Speaker 1: Most films are not good. Most street repairs are not good. 255 00:19:23,435 --> 00:19:28,795 Speaker 1: Most food is not good. Not Most people are not 256 00:19:29,075 --> 00:19:35,875 Speaker 1: good at stuff, but especially when that stuff benefits others. 257 00:19:36,915 --> 00:19:42,355 Speaker 1: Charity stuff, public services stuff like the Motor Vehicles Bureau, 258 00:19:42,955 --> 00:19:49,715 Speaker 1: and especially especially government. We're not looking for Christ fresh 259 00:19:49,755 --> 00:19:53,795 Speaker 1: off the cross to go and pave our streets with gold. 260 00:19:54,595 --> 00:19:59,715 Speaker 1: People just want a government that can keep the toilets 261 00:19:59,715 --> 00:20:07,915 Speaker 1: from overflowing. Thank you, Zoron, Mom, Donnie and Mikey, Cheryl 262 00:20:08,795 --> 00:20:14,955 Speaker 1: and Abigail Spanberger. Though I'm watching you, thank you and 263 00:20:15,035 --> 00:20:19,155 Speaker 1: there there it is your mandate. Spread the gospel of 264 00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:27,075 Speaker 1: your money issues and Trump equals death, and Jesus Christ 265 00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:53,635 Speaker 1: keep the toilets from overflowing. Only one other thing I 266 00:20:53,675 --> 00:20:56,355 Speaker 1: really wanted to mention. As you know, Dick Cheney has died. 267 00:20:57,275 --> 00:21:00,715 Speaker 1: There's enough sane washing going on without me adding to it. 268 00:21:01,595 --> 00:21:04,675 Speaker 1: I remember Dick Cheney for, you know, being the architect 269 00:21:04,835 --> 00:21:07,515 Speaker 1: of the plan to exploit nine to eleven as an 270 00:21:07,555 --> 00:21:11,915 Speaker 1: excuse to go into Iraq, which replaced the original Bush plan, 271 00:21:11,995 --> 00:21:16,115 Speaker 1: which was to just do it and say why just cuz. 272 00:21:17,555 --> 00:21:19,955 Speaker 1: I remember Dick Cheney for being named by Bush to 273 00:21:20,035 --> 00:21:23,035 Speaker 1: chair the search committee to select Bush's vice president, and 274 00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:27,315 Speaker 1: Cheney came back and recommended himself. I have found that 275 00:21:27,435 --> 00:21:31,555 Speaker 1: I am the best candidate. And I remember him for 276 00:21:31,635 --> 00:21:34,595 Speaker 1: standing up at what sports people used to call nut 277 00:21:34,595 --> 00:21:41,435 Speaker 1: cutting time for America, Yes or no, capitalist socialist democracy 278 00:21:42,075 --> 00:21:49,595 Speaker 1: or dictatorship. He chose capitalist socialist democracy. Good, finish up strong, 279 00:21:50,955 --> 00:21:53,595 Speaker 1: keep the world safe for people like Dick Cheney and 280 00:21:53,635 --> 00:21:57,995 Speaker 1: me to hate each other. And I remember him for 281 00:21:58,035 --> 00:22:01,115 Speaker 1: what he said in describing my friend Moe Roka when 282 00:22:01,155 --> 00:22:05,035 Speaker 1: Moe Raka hosted the radio and television correspondence Social Siation 283 00:22:05,155 --> 00:22:08,155 Speaker 1: Dinner in DC in April two thousand and eight. 284 00:22:08,515 --> 00:22:10,995 Speaker 2: Among his other credits, Moe used to host a TV 285 00:22:11,115 --> 00:22:16,235 Speaker 2: show called Things I Hate About You. I'm sure I've 286 00:22:16,235 --> 00:22:21,035 Speaker 2: seen that program only I believe it's now called Countdown 287 00:22:21,075 --> 00:22:33,795 Speaker 2: with Keith Overman. Keith not here tonight to savor my company. 288 00:22:33,835 --> 00:22:36,995 Speaker 1: But now some people hear that and say that means 289 00:22:37,195 --> 00:22:40,435 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney hated me. And some people hear that and 290 00:22:40,475 --> 00:22:43,675 Speaker 1: say that means Dick Cheney believed I hated him, and 291 00:22:43,715 --> 00:22:46,875 Speaker 1: I say, can't we all get along? Both of those 292 00:22:46,995 --> 00:22:51,755 Speaker 1: mean I pissed Dick Cheney off when he was vice president. 293 00:22:52,635 --> 00:22:56,155 Speaker 1: And that that clip right there, that was when I 294 00:22:56,275 --> 00:23:04,155 Speaker 1: knew my work there was done. Rest in peace, Dick Cheney, 295 00:23:05,235 --> 00:23:09,675 Speaker 1: I guess, because yes, it can be a floor wax 296 00:23:10,035 --> 00:23:14,475 Speaker 1: and a dessert topping. That is what makes America great. 297 00:23:19,875 --> 00:23:22,755 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live reference if you don't get it by now. 298 00:23:22,955 --> 00:23:26,435 Speaker 1: Also of interest here, Winsome Earl Sears lost the race 299 00:23:26,475 --> 00:23:30,555 Speaker 1: for governor of Virginia by fifteen points in a state 300 00:23:30,595 --> 00:23:33,635 Speaker 1: the Republican Party won four years ago this month by 301 00:23:33,675 --> 00:23:37,795 Speaker 1: two points. So I would never metaphorically kick a candidate, 302 00:23:37,995 --> 00:23:42,875 Speaker 1: even a crazy maga lunatic while they're down. Hell, I wouldn't. 303 00:23:43,515 --> 00:23:48,515 Speaker 1: She shares worst person honors. That's next. This is an 304 00:23:48,635 --> 00:23:56,395 Speaker 1: all new Landslide edition of Countdown. This is Countdown with 305 00:23:56,515 --> 00:24:20,875 Speaker 1: Keith Olberman still ahead on his all new edition of Countdown. 306 00:24:21,235 --> 00:24:26,755 Speaker 1: There is yet another new committee to nominate and elect 307 00:24:26,995 --> 00:24:32,555 Speaker 1: new members of Baseball's Hall of fame, about which the 308 00:24:32,555 --> 00:24:35,675 Speaker 1: odds are pretty good you care nothing. However, you may 309 00:24:35,715 --> 00:24:39,395 Speaker 1: be entertained by the story of one of the previous committees, 310 00:24:40,115 --> 00:24:43,875 Speaker 1: which once elected at least once elected a new member 311 00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:50,115 Speaker 1: of Baseball's Hall of Fame by accident via something referred 312 00:24:50,115 --> 00:24:53,755 Speaker 1: to as courtesy votes, because they wanted to make one 313 00:24:53,795 --> 00:24:55,715 Speaker 1: of their guys who wasn't quite a Hall of Famer 314 00:24:55,875 --> 00:24:59,715 Speaker 1: feel good, and too many of them decided to vote 315 00:24:59,795 --> 00:25:01,795 Speaker 1: for him to make him feel good, and now he's 316 00:25:01,795 --> 00:25:06,115 Speaker 1: got a plaque at the Hall of Fame. I also 317 00:25:06,155 --> 00:25:08,635 Speaker 1: have thoughts on the actual nominees and the process, and 318 00:25:08,715 --> 00:25:10,715 Speaker 1: what could be done to fix it, and why they 319 00:25:10,755 --> 00:25:14,275 Speaker 1: will never fix it. It's a deliberate choice ahead in 320 00:25:14,395 --> 00:25:17,435 Speaker 1: sports first, believe it or not. There's still more new 321 00:25:17,475 --> 00:25:20,515 Speaker 1: idiots to talk about. The roundup of the miscrants, morons 322 00:25:20,515 --> 00:25:25,475 Speaker 1: and Dunning Krug effect specimens who constitute today's other worst 323 00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:33,475 Speaker 1: persons in the world at the Bronze Laura Lumer. I 324 00:25:33,515 --> 00:25:36,595 Speaker 1: don't know quite how history will look at Laura Lumer. 325 00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:41,715 Speaker 1: I suspect it will be looking at her briefly and soon, 326 00:25:42,355 --> 00:25:45,195 Speaker 1: as in she will soon be history. She's now a 327 00:25:45,235 --> 00:25:53,475 Speaker 1: Pentagon correspondent for I made it up news. I don't know. 328 00:25:53,555 --> 00:25:59,075 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand any of it. She's repulsive, stupid, 329 00:25:59,595 --> 00:26:03,875 Speaker 1: and servile. What I don't understand is why she's not 330 00:26:03,995 --> 00:26:08,035 Speaker 1: vice president. Laura Lumer, though, has now and this is 331 00:26:08,075 --> 00:26:11,315 Speaker 1: a theme for today, has now crossed some sort of 332 00:26:11,435 --> 00:26:14,595 Speaker 1: rubicon in which she is pissing off the people who 333 00:26:14,635 --> 00:26:19,635 Speaker 1: put her where she is. Roger Stone, somehow still alive, 334 00:26:20,555 --> 00:26:23,595 Speaker 1: was her role model and to some degree her mentor. 335 00:26:23,995 --> 00:26:29,035 Speaker 1: And roger Stone something happened that caused him to post this. 336 00:26:30,395 --> 00:26:32,595 Speaker 1: I have never taken a penny to post anything on 337 00:26:32,635 --> 00:26:36,755 Speaker 1: social media. Laura Lumer takes thousands and thousands of dollars 338 00:26:37,075 --> 00:26:41,435 Speaker 1: to front for others and spread their lies. Who is 339 00:26:41,515 --> 00:26:44,315 Speaker 1: paying you? Laura? You won't be able to double talk 340 00:26:44,355 --> 00:26:47,555 Speaker 1: your way out of this. You're not that smart. Answer 341 00:26:47,595 --> 00:26:52,195 Speaker 1: the question who are you? His word not mine? Warring 342 00:26:52,475 --> 00:27:00,795 Speaker 1: for Laura roger Stone three point fifty nine am Jacob 343 00:27:00,835 --> 00:27:06,475 Speaker 1: Marley's ghost came to visit roger Stone and is oddly shaped. Huh. 344 00:27:06,555 --> 00:27:08,915 Speaker 1: And if that were not enough, there is the runner up? 345 00:27:10,075 --> 00:27:17,275 Speaker 1: Were sir? All those in his history who supported Tucker Carlson? 346 00:27:18,195 --> 00:27:21,515 Speaker 1: And we'll just take Ben Shapiro out, because he's the 347 00:27:21,595 --> 00:27:25,515 Speaker 1: latest guy to sit here going I never knew Tucker 348 00:27:25,555 --> 00:27:29,995 Speaker 1: Carlson was the devil? My god, where have you people been? 349 00:27:31,235 --> 00:27:35,035 Speaker 1: I'll read this from Oliver Darcy's newsletter The magas civil 350 00:27:35,075 --> 00:27:37,355 Speaker 1: war that erupted last week is showing no signs of 351 00:27:37,435 --> 00:27:40,835 Speaker 1: letting up. On Monday, the Daily Wires, Ben Shapiro dedicated 352 00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:45,275 Speaker 1: his entire show to go scorched Earth on Tucker Carlson 353 00:27:45,515 --> 00:27:49,115 Speaker 1: over his decision to host the Holocaust denying white nationalist 354 00:27:49,195 --> 00:27:55,355 Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes for a softball chat halcost denying white nationalists. 355 00:27:55,395 --> 00:27:58,315 Speaker 1: He's an anti Semite. He's called himself an anti Semite. 356 00:27:58,915 --> 00:28:03,675 Speaker 1: He's slime, he's scum. Shapiro slammed Carlson as quote an 357 00:28:03,675 --> 00:28:12,035 Speaker 1: intellectual cower, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend. Yeah, 358 00:28:12,075 --> 00:28:15,715 Speaker 1: and blamed him for Nazism being normalized within the mainstream 359 00:28:15,715 --> 00:28:21,195 Speaker 1: Republican Party. Yeah. And he didn't stop there, Shapiro said. 360 00:28:21,195 --> 00:28:25,435 Speaker 1: Carlson quote was aided, a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism 361 00:28:25,595 --> 00:28:30,595 Speaker 1: within the Republican Party by the Heritage Foundation. Quote. The 362 00:28:30,675 --> 00:28:33,675 Speaker 1: issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided to normalize and 363 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:37,155 Speaker 1: fluff Nick Fuentes, and that the Heritage Foundation then decided 364 00:28:37,195 --> 00:28:43,835 Speaker 1: to robustly defend that performance. Waiter, are you telling me 365 00:28:43,915 --> 00:28:51,795 Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation is corrupt and full of Nazi adjacent people, really, 366 00:28:53,075 --> 00:28:58,955 Speaker 1: and that Tucker Carlson is a dishonest coward? Really? I 367 00:28:58,995 --> 00:29:03,635 Speaker 1: mean Tucker Carlson fired by literally all the cable news 368 00:29:03,675 --> 00:29:10,035 Speaker 1: networks from prominent shows on each one of them in 369 00:29:10,075 --> 00:29:14,955 Speaker 1: a span of less than twenty years after rising to 370 00:29:15,035 --> 00:29:19,035 Speaker 1: the top at all three of them fired not always 371 00:29:19,075 --> 00:29:23,355 Speaker 1: contract ran out, oh oh, Alberman always likes to leave jobs. No, no, no, 372 00:29:23,435 --> 00:29:28,635 Speaker 1: fired like one day there, one day not there. The 373 00:29:28,755 --> 00:29:33,555 Speaker 1: surprise by people like Ben Shapiro, the Ben Shapiro's and 374 00:29:33,675 --> 00:29:37,275 Speaker 1: the Roger Stones and the Donald Trumps and everybody else 375 00:29:38,115 --> 00:29:42,915 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson has not changed your ability to lie to 376 00:29:43,075 --> 00:29:49,035 Speaker 1: yourselves that Tucker Carlson was not this anti semi adjacent 377 00:29:49,115 --> 00:29:55,955 Speaker 1: bastard with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. And that maniacal laugh 378 00:29:55,995 --> 00:29:58,715 Speaker 1: of his was not some sort of performance. It was 379 00:29:58,755 --> 00:30:01,635 Speaker 1: the result of something wrong with his brain that has 380 00:30:01,715 --> 00:30:03,915 Speaker 1: always been there. And by the way, is the second 381 00:30:03,955 --> 00:30:07,515 Speaker 1: generation Carlson who is like this. His father was just 382 00:30:08,235 --> 00:30:12,275 Speaker 1: the same way. The problem here, We've already established that 383 00:30:12,355 --> 00:30:16,595 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson is slime and scum. The problem here Roger 384 00:30:16,635 --> 00:30:20,795 Speaker 1: Stone with Laura Lumer. The problem here Ben Shapiro with Carlson. 385 00:30:20,915 --> 00:30:28,035 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson is you, not him, as I believe it was. 386 00:30:28,075 --> 00:30:30,715 Speaker 1: Marcus aureli has pointed out every day in the world 387 00:30:30,755 --> 00:30:39,275 Speaker 1: you see deceit, dishonesty, retribution, selfishness, vice, corruption, And yet 388 00:30:39,355 --> 00:30:43,515 Speaker 1: you're surprised, at what point does that become your fault? 389 00:30:44,795 --> 00:30:49,035 Speaker 1: Love that, Marcus Aurelius. And still there are two people 390 00:30:49,075 --> 00:30:52,835 Speaker 1: who are worse who share today's worst persons in the 391 00:30:52,835 --> 00:30:57,995 Speaker 1: World Championship. A guy named Charlie Hurt, who appears on 392 00:30:58,155 --> 00:31:03,835 Speaker 1: Fox News as a sometimes host. He was started his 393 00:31:03,915 --> 00:31:07,715 Speaker 1: career in journal so to speak, as a scab during 394 00:31:07,755 --> 00:31:11,635 Speaker 1: the Detroit Times strike of nineteen ninety five, and later worse. 395 00:31:12,155 --> 00:31:14,675 Speaker 1: He was the DC editor of the New York Post 396 00:31:14,915 --> 00:31:19,875 Speaker 1: and an early Trumpist, and he was interviewing Winsome Earl Sears, 397 00:31:21,555 --> 00:31:25,475 Speaker 1: the Republican candidate for governor of Virginia, the woman who 398 00:31:26,315 --> 00:31:30,835 Speaker 1: laughed at the idea that because she was anti LG TBq, 399 00:31:31,515 --> 00:31:33,795 Speaker 1: that this was some sort of prejudice on her part 400 00:31:34,595 --> 00:31:37,395 Speaker 1: and just said, it's not prejudice, it's reality. I mean, 401 00:31:38,635 --> 00:31:43,035 Speaker 1: not a stable not of this earth. This woman winsome 402 00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:47,195 Speaker 1: Earl Series and they share the award because Charlie Hurt 403 00:31:48,115 --> 00:31:50,715 Speaker 1: The nice thing again, I suppose I shouldn't really come 404 00:31:50,755 --> 00:31:53,995 Speaker 1: down so hard on Ben Shapiro and Rogerstone, because the 405 00:31:54,075 --> 00:31:56,035 Speaker 1: nice thing is to see the look of shock on 406 00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:59,955 Speaker 1: the face of the people who realize that these really 407 00:32:00,075 --> 00:32:03,355 Speaker 1: dangerous and bigoted individuals that they have supported are both 408 00:32:03,475 --> 00:32:06,315 Speaker 1: dangerous and bigoted. And boy, oh boy, Charlie Hurt sure 409 00:32:06,395 --> 00:32:10,355 Speaker 1: revealed himself and win some Earl Sears sure revealed herself 410 00:32:10,715 --> 00:32:13,395 Speaker 1: in this interview. You should look it up. You should 411 00:32:13,435 --> 00:32:17,235 Speaker 1: watch the video. It's really bad. It's so bad that 412 00:32:17,355 --> 00:32:23,035 Speaker 1: it would not get applause from Trump. Charlie Hurt said, 413 00:32:23,755 --> 00:32:26,635 Speaker 1: we did go through years of lectures about how it 414 00:32:26,715 --> 00:32:30,075 Speaker 1: was important to vote for Barack Obama as this historic 415 00:32:30,235 --> 00:32:33,755 Speaker 1: black candidate for him to have an opportunity to help 416 00:32:33,795 --> 00:32:38,275 Speaker 1: out the first black female governor. Explain to me, he said, 417 00:32:38,315 --> 00:32:41,755 Speaker 1: to win some Earl Sears. I can't square this. The 418 00:32:41,875 --> 00:32:43,675 Speaker 1: gist of what he was saying was he could not 419 00:32:43,915 --> 00:32:50,075 Speaker 1: understand why Barack Obama did not support the Republican nutjob 420 00:32:50,435 --> 00:32:56,635 Speaker 1: wins Earl Sears merely because she was black, and she 421 00:32:56,995 --> 00:33:01,595 Speaker 1: of course agreed with this. Last year, she said, he 422 00:33:01,675 --> 00:33:04,435 Speaker 1: told everybody to vote for the black woman. Well here 423 00:33:04,475 --> 00:33:08,515 Speaker 1: I here, I am, and now he's singing a different tune. 424 00:33:08,795 --> 00:33:15,515 Speaker 1: Hypocrisy all the way. The fundamental issue, of course, was 425 00:33:15,555 --> 00:33:20,035 Speaker 1: that there needed to be some diversity within a party 426 00:33:20,275 --> 00:33:25,075 Speaker 1: and among candidates. But you shouldn't have voted for Barack Obama, 427 00:33:25,155 --> 00:33:28,235 Speaker 1: and he said as much if you did not agree 428 00:33:28,275 --> 00:33:31,595 Speaker 1: with at least most of the ideas that he stood for. 429 00:33:32,675 --> 00:33:36,435 Speaker 1: This seems to have eluded Winsome Earl Sears, along with 430 00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:39,675 Speaker 1: most of the rest of life here on this dimension, 431 00:33:40,395 --> 00:33:43,315 Speaker 1: And it seems to have eluded Charlie Hurt, who thinks 432 00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:50,475 Speaker 1: that everybody voted for Obama because he was black. So 433 00:33:51,155 --> 00:33:55,955 Speaker 1: by that logic, Winsome Earl Sears, you voted for Kamala 434 00:33:55,955 --> 00:34:01,555 Speaker 1: Harris last year and this guy Hurt, the Detroit Times guy, 435 00:34:02,235 --> 00:34:07,715 Speaker 1: he voted for Abigail Spanber in the Virginia race because 436 00:34:09,035 --> 00:34:12,515 Speaker 1: he and Spanberger are both white. Is that what you're 437 00:34:12,515 --> 00:34:20,715 Speaker 1: telling me, win Some Earl Sears, moron Charlie Hurt scab 438 00:34:21,515 --> 00:34:27,795 Speaker 1: two days worst persons. Wait to hear this baseball story 439 00:34:28,035 --> 00:34:28,875 Speaker 1: in the world. 440 00:34:59,675 --> 00:35:06,115 Speaker 3: This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This 441 00:35:06,915 --> 00:35:15,315 Speaker 3: is Countdown with Keith Ulberman in Sportsball Center tonight. You 442 00:35:15,435 --> 00:35:19,035 Speaker 3: heard the phrase inside baseball, I mean used in a 443 00:35:19,115 --> 00:35:25,155 Speaker 3: non baseball context, inside baseball. It comes from baseball. It's 444 00:35:25,195 --> 00:35:31,395 Speaker 3: about stuff that's so inside the game, so meaningful only 445 00:35:31,435 --> 00:35:33,435 Speaker 3: to people who really follow it that it tends to 446 00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:39,115 Speaker 3: be a little arcane or boring for people who do 447 00:35:39,195 --> 00:35:43,355 Speaker 3: not follow baseball intently. However, I do have one hook 448 00:35:43,395 --> 00:35:45,835 Speaker 3: that may interest you in the subject of the latest 449 00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:52,275 Speaker 3: Baseball Hall of Fame Veteran's ballot. They've nominated eight fairly 450 00:35:52,395 --> 00:35:56,875 Speaker 3: recent players, players whose careers began or prominence began anyway 451 00:35:57,315 --> 00:36:01,395 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty or later. For me, those are my friends. 452 00:36:02,195 --> 00:36:05,435 Speaker 3: For you, they may be figures from base ball's ancient 453 00:36:05,475 --> 00:36:09,675 Speaker 3: past who might as well have played in eighteen sixty six. Nevertheless, 454 00:36:10,795 --> 00:36:14,155 Speaker 3: I always think of the same story whenever a new 455 00:36:14,275 --> 00:36:16,875 Speaker 3: veterans committee gets together to try to decide who is 456 00:36:16,915 --> 00:36:19,995 Speaker 3: a Baseball Hall of Famer and who is not. In 457 00:36:20,075 --> 00:36:23,995 Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties, there was one committee the Veterans 458 00:36:23,995 --> 00:36:27,235 Speaker 3: Committee that included some of the great luminaries of the 459 00:36:27,235 --> 00:36:31,155 Speaker 3: gink game, including Ted Williams, who used to vote on 460 00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:34,075 Speaker 3: who else got into the Hall of Fame besides him. 461 00:36:34,595 --> 00:36:37,355 Speaker 3: And one of the things Ted Williams did constantly was 462 00:36:37,675 --> 00:36:41,155 Speaker 3: vote for his friends, vote for those few players that 463 00:36:41,235 --> 00:36:44,515 Speaker 3: he had personal respect for who tended to be pitchers 464 00:36:44,835 --> 00:36:49,075 Speaker 3: who were able to get him out. He four years 465 00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:53,275 Speaker 3: voted annually for a pitcher from Cleveland named mel Harder, 466 00:36:53,395 --> 00:36:55,435 Speaker 3: who pitched for twenty years and then was a very 467 00:36:55,475 --> 00:36:59,275 Speaker 3: successful pitching coach, but whose lifetime record was about five hundred. 468 00:36:59,755 --> 00:37:02,275 Speaker 3: He won as many as he lost. There was anything 469 00:37:02,435 --> 00:37:08,875 Speaker 3: exceptional about his strikeout tos or his modern day subtle statistics, 470 00:37:08,995 --> 00:37:12,275 Speaker 3: or his game result statistics, or any of the metrics 471 00:37:12,315 --> 00:37:15,715 Speaker 3: that are used to assess pictures today. But Ted Williams 472 00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:17,755 Speaker 3: couldn't get a hit off of him to save his life. 473 00:37:17,835 --> 00:37:20,635 Speaker 3: And therefore, to Ted Williams, that made mel Haarder a 474 00:37:20,675 --> 00:37:25,115 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. But the other thing that Ted Williams did, 475 00:37:25,115 --> 00:37:28,435 Speaker 3: and many of his contemporaries on the old Veterans Committee, 476 00:37:28,595 --> 00:37:30,875 Speaker 3: and this is a legend more than it is a 477 00:37:30,955 --> 00:37:35,035 Speaker 3: factually documented story, but I believe after forty years or 478 00:37:35,075 --> 00:37:39,275 Speaker 3: fifty years of hearing this story, I believe it is true. 479 00:37:39,555 --> 00:37:44,595 Speaker 3: They also, besides constantly having to tamp down Ted's enthusiasm 480 00:37:44,835 --> 00:37:48,435 Speaker 3: for otherwise obscure players he just wasn't any good against, 481 00:37:48,915 --> 00:37:51,515 Speaker 3: they had to keep him from doing what he liked 482 00:37:51,515 --> 00:37:54,835 Speaker 3: to do, which was to throw a vote to those 483 00:37:54,915 --> 00:37:57,315 Speaker 3: friends who he didn't really think were Hall of famers, 484 00:37:57,475 --> 00:38:00,875 Speaker 3: but he wanted them to know somebody voted for them. 485 00:38:01,355 --> 00:38:06,115 Speaker 3: These were called courtesy votes, And here after year, somebody 486 00:38:06,195 --> 00:38:08,595 Speaker 3: on the Hall of Fame Veterans Committee would issue a 487 00:38:08,675 --> 00:38:12,315 Speaker 3: courtesy vote for a long time catcher and Detroit Tigers 488 00:38:12,355 --> 00:38:16,155 Speaker 3: executive named Rick Ferrell, supposedly one of the true gentlemen 489 00:38:16,195 --> 00:38:19,355 Speaker 3: of the game and a player who I believe lasted 490 00:38:19,395 --> 00:38:22,235 Speaker 3: eighteen years as a catcher in the American League, even 491 00:38:22,315 --> 00:38:25,275 Speaker 3: though I think he only played in one hundred games 492 00:38:25,635 --> 00:38:27,835 Speaker 3: in the one hundred and fifty four game schedule of 493 00:38:27,835 --> 00:38:31,155 Speaker 3: the time once or twice in his life. He was 494 00:38:31,435 --> 00:38:35,435 Speaker 3: sort of a regular player, but not really and he 495 00:38:35,555 --> 00:38:37,835 Speaker 3: certainly was not an All Star, and he certainly was 496 00:38:37,875 --> 00:38:41,075 Speaker 3: not a Hall of Famer. And every year Ted Williams 497 00:38:41,115 --> 00:38:44,115 Speaker 3: would say to his friends on the committee. All right, 498 00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:48,395 Speaker 3: who's casting the courtesy vote for Rick Ferrell? Or let's 499 00:38:48,435 --> 00:38:52,275 Speaker 3: get Rick three votes this year when I guess whatever 500 00:38:52,355 --> 00:38:56,755 Speaker 3: six or seven were needed for election, and inevitably, I guess, 501 00:38:57,195 --> 00:39:00,275 Speaker 3: given the amount of alcohol that might have been consumed 502 00:39:00,275 --> 00:39:03,595 Speaker 3: at these annual meetings and the Hall of Fame voters. 503 00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:07,275 Speaker 3: The baseballs don't meet, They just mail in ballots. But 504 00:39:07,355 --> 00:39:10,475 Speaker 3: the members of the Veterans Committee used to meet in person, 505 00:39:10,595 --> 00:39:15,275 Speaker 3: usually in Florida, usually starting at lunch with alcohol and 506 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:20,075 Speaker 3: concluding sometime after dinner with alcohol. They would get together 507 00:39:20,155 --> 00:39:23,155 Speaker 3: and then they would vote, and people would forget what 508 00:39:23,275 --> 00:39:25,275 Speaker 3: they were supposed to vote and who they were supposed 509 00:39:25,315 --> 00:39:28,155 Speaker 3: to vote for. And there came the announcement that if say, 510 00:39:28,195 --> 00:39:31,195 Speaker 3: the threshold for votes for election for anybody that year 511 00:39:31,395 --> 00:39:36,475 Speaker 3: was seven votes, there it was Rick Ferrell eight votes. 512 00:39:37,755 --> 00:39:41,115 Speaker 1: Look him up. Rick Ferrell is in the Baseball Hall 513 00:39:41,155 --> 00:39:45,115 Speaker 1: of Fame. Supposedly, that is how a great and very 514 00:39:45,275 --> 00:39:48,915 Speaker 1: popular but not quite Hall of Fame shortstop named Rabbit 515 00:39:49,035 --> 00:39:51,155 Speaker 1: Moranville got into the Hall of Fame. But I don't 516 00:39:51,195 --> 00:39:54,515 Speaker 1: have many details about that. The Rick Ferrell story I 517 00:39:54,595 --> 00:39:57,635 Speaker 1: have from one witness who says what he remembers of 518 00:39:57,675 --> 00:40:03,155 Speaker 1: that rather sauced evening consisted of what I just told you. 519 00:40:03,675 --> 00:40:06,435 Speaker 1: So anytime there is an announcement that there's going to 520 00:40:06,435 --> 00:40:09,195 Speaker 1: be a committee meeting to vote to elect new Hall 521 00:40:09,235 --> 00:40:11,995 Speaker 1: of famers, I keep thinking somebody's going to get in 522 00:40:12,075 --> 00:40:17,875 Speaker 1: by accident. Again. Yes, there it was the other day 523 00:40:18,435 --> 00:40:22,395 Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame announcing that it was going 524 00:40:22,635 --> 00:40:28,595 Speaker 1: to conduct another committee. Yet another variation. This is the 525 00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:32,315 Speaker 1: Golden Age since the eighties vote, and the next year 526 00:40:32,355 --> 00:40:35,555 Speaker 1: will be the seventeenth century vote, and then the year 527 00:40:35,595 --> 00:40:38,395 Speaker 1: after that will be the people whose names start with 528 00:40:38,435 --> 00:40:44,115 Speaker 1: the letter Q vote. It's so stupid, complicated, inconsistent. It 529 00:40:44,115 --> 00:40:46,035 Speaker 1: gets changed every couple of years. And of course the 530 00:40:46,075 --> 00:40:49,795 Speaker 1: reason they do that is otherwise no one would be 531 00:40:50,715 --> 00:40:53,515 Speaker 1: have any interest whatsoever in the Hall of Fame vote. 532 00:40:54,155 --> 00:40:56,515 Speaker 1: The controversy is about who's in the Hall of Fame 533 00:40:56,675 --> 00:40:58,155 Speaker 1: and who's not in the Hall of Fame will never 534 00:40:58,195 --> 00:41:01,555 Speaker 1: be resolved because they managed to keep you talking about it. 535 00:41:01,795 --> 00:41:04,395 Speaker 1: I'm talking about it now. I happen to be talking 536 00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:08,115 Speaker 1: about something a little bit more again arcane, but I'm 537 00:41:08,155 --> 00:41:10,995 Speaker 1: still talking about it. And if they had perfected which 538 00:41:11,035 --> 00:41:13,995 Speaker 1: would probably be easily done a system for the Hall 539 00:41:14,035 --> 00:41:17,835 Speaker 1: of Fame that would satisfy everybody. People would stop arguing 540 00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:21,115 Speaker 1: about it. They just say, well, the system produces x 541 00:41:21,195 --> 00:41:23,355 Speaker 1: number of Hall of Famers every year or people with 542 00:41:23,435 --> 00:41:26,635 Speaker 1: these kind of credentials. Yay, that's the way they do it. 543 00:41:26,675 --> 00:41:30,395 Speaker 1: In Japan, there is a statistical Hall of Fame. If 544 00:41:30,435 --> 00:41:32,435 Speaker 1: you get I don't know what the total is, three 545 00:41:32,515 --> 00:41:34,595 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five home runs, you are in the 546 00:41:34,635 --> 00:41:37,515 Speaker 1: statistical Hall of Fame and automatically in the general Hall 547 00:41:37,555 --> 00:41:40,875 Speaker 1: of Fame, and they are permitted to elect additional people 548 00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:45,355 Speaker 1: who don't meet those criteria statistically to the general Hall 549 00:41:45,395 --> 00:41:48,355 Speaker 1: of Fame, but there is an automatic threshold Hall of Fame. 550 00:41:49,555 --> 00:41:52,195 Speaker 1: One of my ideas that again would defeat the whole 551 00:41:52,195 --> 00:41:55,795 Speaker 1: purpose of the controversy, would be to have a four 552 00:41:55,955 --> 00:41:58,835 Speaker 1: tiered Hall of Fame. You'd have that statistical Hall of 553 00:41:58,835 --> 00:42:02,035 Speaker 1: Fame in which I guess, if you hit six hundred homers, 554 00:42:02,435 --> 00:42:05,595 Speaker 1: you're in, and then they're It would be the all 555 00:42:05,675 --> 00:42:09,715 Speaker 1: time greats, the immortals, the Babe Ruths, the I guess 556 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:16,075 Speaker 1: we're expecting Shoho Tani, but not quite yet. Folks like that. 557 00:42:16,715 --> 00:42:21,035 Speaker 1: Henry Aaron, Roberto Clemente. Then there'd be a second tier, 558 00:42:21,475 --> 00:42:24,195 Speaker 1: or a third tier in this case for players who 559 00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:27,395 Speaker 1: were unable for whatever reason to complete their careers or 560 00:42:27,395 --> 00:42:31,195 Speaker 1: their expected careers. Pictures like Sandy Kofax, who retired at 561 00:42:31,235 --> 00:42:34,315 Speaker 1: age thirty because doctors said, the next pitch might not 562 00:42:34,355 --> 00:42:37,555 Speaker 1: only be your last, but you may use your arm 563 00:42:37,635 --> 00:42:40,075 Speaker 1: for the last time throwing that pitch. You may literally 564 00:42:40,115 --> 00:42:43,475 Speaker 1: not be able to use your arm for anything. All 565 00:42:43,515 --> 00:42:46,115 Speaker 1: the nerves may be dead. And he went, I'm going 566 00:42:46,155 --> 00:42:49,235 Speaker 1: to quit, and he did, and his records do not 567 00:42:49,915 --> 00:42:53,915 Speaker 1: His compilation records do not match that of far lesser pitchers, 568 00:42:54,475 --> 00:42:57,955 Speaker 1: although he is considered perhaps the greatest five season pitcher 569 00:42:58,115 --> 00:43:00,235 Speaker 1: of all time. But you could have a category of 570 00:43:00,275 --> 00:43:03,915 Speaker 1: Hall of famers who only had five great years for 571 00:43:04,075 --> 00:43:06,835 Speaker 1: whatever reason. The late catcher of the New York Yankees, 572 00:43:06,875 --> 00:43:09,675 Speaker 1: Thrman Munson, could fit into that because he died in 573 00:43:09,715 --> 00:43:13,595 Speaker 1: the middle of his eleventh season in Major League Baseball 574 00:43:14,475 --> 00:43:18,355 Speaker 1: and never fulfilled or went downhill from there because he 575 00:43:18,435 --> 00:43:21,755 Speaker 1: was not alive to do so. The last category of 576 00:43:21,795 --> 00:43:24,875 Speaker 1: our four tier Hall of Fame would be everybody else 577 00:43:25,115 --> 00:43:28,275 Speaker 1: whose statistical performance is such that they should be in 578 00:43:28,315 --> 00:43:30,875 Speaker 1: the Hall of fame, but had some sort of blemish 579 00:43:30,995 --> 00:43:37,435 Speaker 1: in their personal conduct, Pete Rose gambling the problem with 580 00:43:37,795 --> 00:43:40,995 Speaker 1: underage dating, which I think we have to call it 581 00:43:41,075 --> 00:43:46,195 Speaker 1: that legally, although it's probably closer to pedophilia Pete Rose, 582 00:43:46,235 --> 00:43:51,075 Speaker 1: As I said, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the steroid users 583 00:43:51,155 --> 00:43:54,795 Speaker 1: of the late nineteen nineties and early two thousands, Shoolish 584 00:43:54,835 --> 00:43:57,315 Speaker 1: Joe Jackson and the other members of the nineteen nineteen 585 00:43:57,395 --> 00:44:01,155 Speaker 1: Chicago White Sox who were involved in a plot to 586 00:44:01,515 --> 00:44:04,595 Speaker 1: throw the World Series that year. Some of them may 587 00:44:04,755 --> 00:44:06,675 Speaker 1: have thrown the World Series, and some of them may 588 00:44:06,675 --> 00:44:09,115 Speaker 1: have not thrown the World Series. Almost all of them 589 00:44:09,155 --> 00:44:11,995 Speaker 1: got money to do. So you could put them all 590 00:44:12,035 --> 00:44:14,395 Speaker 1: in there and they could be I don't know, in 591 00:44:14,435 --> 00:44:17,675 Speaker 1: a room that isn't totally lit, or they could have 592 00:44:19,035 --> 00:44:23,395 Speaker 1: bad portraits of themselves, or like I don't know, a 593 00:44:23,515 --> 00:44:26,435 Speaker 1: sound of booing being piped into the room in which 594 00:44:26,475 --> 00:44:29,755 Speaker 1: their plaques would remain for eternity. But you would say, 595 00:44:29,795 --> 00:44:31,715 Speaker 1: all right, Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame, 596 00:44:32,755 --> 00:44:35,515 Speaker 1: flawed human being who, oh, by the way, got more 597 00:44:35,595 --> 00:44:39,835 Speaker 1: hits than anybody else. So that's the solution, And of 598 00:44:39,835 --> 00:44:42,115 Speaker 1: course it will never be done because it would eliminate 599 00:44:42,195 --> 00:44:45,435 Speaker 1: most of the arguments, and then we wouldn't have these conversations. 600 00:44:46,275 --> 00:44:49,795 Speaker 1: But back to the original point, I wanted to discuss 601 00:44:49,835 --> 00:44:55,115 Speaker 1: the qualifications of these eight guys again. This sorting out. 602 00:44:55,235 --> 00:44:59,515 Speaker 1: This latest category is players who achieved prominence in the 603 00:44:59,555 --> 00:45:03,195 Speaker 1: game after nineteen eighty, not owners, not managers players. This 604 00:45:03,275 --> 00:45:05,675 Speaker 1: is just on the field stuff. There'll be an owner 605 00:45:05,755 --> 00:45:10,275 Speaker 1: manager vote later seventy years from now. I don't know. 606 00:45:10,355 --> 00:45:13,795 Speaker 1: I've completely lost the plot on what they are doing 607 00:45:13,795 --> 00:45:18,355 Speaker 1: to elect people to the Hall of Fame. Okay, here 608 00:45:18,435 --> 00:45:22,635 Speaker 1: are the nominees. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are on 609 00:45:22,675 --> 00:45:27,635 Speaker 1: the list. All that is needed from this committee is 610 00:45:27,755 --> 00:45:30,315 Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the vote and they are in 611 00:45:30,395 --> 00:45:33,075 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame despite everything that happened. And there's 612 00:45:33,155 --> 00:45:36,995 Speaker 1: no tiered structure now, so the plaque for Barry Bonds 613 00:45:37,075 --> 00:45:40,835 Speaker 1: probably would not say his head grew bigger at the 614 00:45:40,875 --> 00:45:44,835 Speaker 1: age of thirty three, even though that's physically impossible unless 615 00:45:45,035 --> 00:45:49,635 Speaker 1: you're doing human growth hormone. It probably wouldn't say that. 616 00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:51,875 Speaker 1: So he could get into the Hall of Fame, and 617 00:45:52,035 --> 00:45:55,235 Speaker 1: somebody might be planning to cast a courtesy vote for 618 00:45:55,315 --> 00:46:00,475 Speaker 1: him right now, So Bonds and Clemens are there. Gary Sheffield, 619 00:46:00,595 --> 00:46:05,315 Speaker 1: who also at times faced accusations of deliberately throwing away 620 00:46:05,355 --> 00:46:08,435 Speaker 1: baseballs in protest to how his team was treating him 621 00:46:08,955 --> 00:46:13,755 Speaker 1: and deliberately using performance enhancing drugs, although nothing I believe 622 00:46:13,795 --> 00:46:17,315 Speaker 1: in Sheffield's case was ever proved. Jeff Kent, a great 623 00:46:17,355 --> 00:46:22,395 Speaker 1: second baseman, considered to be a jackass generally speaking. Dale Murphy, 624 00:46:22,435 --> 00:46:25,955 Speaker 1: the exact opposite of that two time Most Valuable Player 625 00:46:25,995 --> 00:46:28,915 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Braves, one of the most beloved figures 626 00:46:28,915 --> 00:46:32,915 Speaker 1: in sports anywhere in the last half century, and a 627 00:46:32,995 --> 00:46:36,355 Speaker 1: man who, after I believe, the first of those MVP awards, 628 00:46:36,755 --> 00:46:39,275 Speaker 1: the moment the season ended, got on a plane and 629 00:46:39,355 --> 00:46:42,195 Speaker 1: went to Florida to play in the Instructional League because 630 00:46:42,195 --> 00:46:44,795 Speaker 1: he wasn't doing well enough the last month of the season. 631 00:46:45,355 --> 00:46:47,675 Speaker 1: I have asked Dale Murphy about this, a man I 632 00:46:47,715 --> 00:46:50,155 Speaker 1: have had the pleasure of knowing since the early eighties, 633 00:46:50,315 --> 00:46:52,715 Speaker 1: and he then says, well, to be fair, I'd had 634 00:46:52,715 --> 00:46:55,595 Speaker 1: a very bad finish to the season and I was 635 00:46:55,635 --> 00:46:58,275 Speaker 1: a little hurt. I needed basically to do some rehab 636 00:46:58,315 --> 00:47:00,635 Speaker 1: and get my swing back. And I said, I don't 637 00:47:00,675 --> 00:47:03,515 Speaker 1: care why you were there. Nobody else in the history 638 00:47:03,515 --> 00:47:06,195 Speaker 1: of baseball has ever won the Most Valuable Player award 639 00:47:06,475 --> 00:47:09,075 Speaker 1: and then gone to the instructional league to work on 640 00:47:09,195 --> 00:47:12,155 Speaker 1: things to get better for the next year. So Murphy 641 00:47:12,235 --> 00:47:15,475 Speaker 1: is on that list, along with Carlos Delgado, who was 642 00:47:15,515 --> 00:47:18,715 Speaker 1: a good and power hitting catcher and first basement for 643 00:47:18,755 --> 00:47:22,035 Speaker 1: the Toronto Blue Jays and the New York Mets. Don Mattingley, 644 00:47:22,115 --> 00:47:25,115 Speaker 1: who once again does not have a Hall of Fame ring, 645 00:47:25,275 --> 00:47:27,435 Speaker 1: even as a coach with the Toronto Blue Jays, and 646 00:47:27,475 --> 00:47:29,795 Speaker 1: the less I say about that probably the better. But 647 00:47:29,915 --> 00:47:33,915 Speaker 1: Don Mattingley, longtime first baseman for the Yankees, limited in 648 00:47:34,035 --> 00:47:38,155 Speaker 1: particular power numbers later on in his career because of 649 00:47:38,195 --> 00:47:40,875 Speaker 1: a bad back. In my Hall of Fame, he would 650 00:47:40,915 --> 00:47:44,715 Speaker 1: get in in the limited career category. He would be 651 00:47:44,755 --> 00:47:47,155 Speaker 1: in those guys who did not do what they might 652 00:47:47,155 --> 00:47:50,675 Speaker 1: have done. He might be next to Addie Joss, the 653 00:47:50,715 --> 00:47:53,195 Speaker 1: great Cleveland pitcher of the early nineteen hundreds. Go and 654 00:47:53,235 --> 00:47:56,155 Speaker 1: look him up to see why. And then the eighth 655 00:47:56,235 --> 00:48:00,995 Speaker 1: nominee Fernando Valezuela, the legendary pitcher of the Los Angeles 656 00:48:00,995 --> 00:48:04,875 Speaker 1: Dodgers who set LA a flame in nineteen eighty one 657 00:48:05,035 --> 00:48:09,195 Speaker 1: in a good sense when not expected to make the 658 00:48:09,235 --> 00:48:12,355 Speaker 1: Dodgers starting rotation, he wound up pitching Opening Day and 659 00:48:12,435 --> 00:48:15,795 Speaker 1: throwing a string of shutouts and creating Fernando Mania and 660 00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:23,075 Speaker 1: actually introducing almost for the first time, the Hispanic Latino 661 00:48:23,275 --> 00:48:26,955 Speaker 1: crowd to the Dodgers. The Dodgers were not the darlings 662 00:48:27,035 --> 00:48:31,755 Speaker 1: of that audience until Fernando Valezuela came along, and Mexican 663 00:48:31,795 --> 00:48:35,835 Speaker 1: baseball players were not largely recruited or sought in Major 664 00:48:35,875 --> 00:48:40,875 Speaker 1: League Baseball until Fernando Valenzuela. The problem is, as with mattingly, 665 00:48:40,995 --> 00:48:44,915 Speaker 1: that there were limitations. Fernando Valenzuela was a great pitcher 666 00:48:45,035 --> 00:48:48,635 Speaker 1: for three or four years, and then he began a 667 00:48:48,715 --> 00:48:55,515 Speaker 1: rather rapid decline that was hastened by injuries and by eating. 668 00:48:56,315 --> 00:48:58,835 Speaker 1: And he hung on for six or seven years, during 669 00:48:58,835 --> 00:49:03,875 Speaker 1: which he dropped down to mediocrity and getting released twice 670 00:49:03,955 --> 00:49:06,675 Speaker 1: or three times year. And yet he is a Hall 671 00:49:06,715 --> 00:49:10,355 Speaker 1: of Fame nominee. There is a statistic that baseball people 672 00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:14,475 Speaker 1: use with varying degrees of confidence in it, called wins 673 00:49:14,515 --> 00:49:19,075 Speaker 1: above replacement war. It is a complicated formula that tries 674 00:49:19,115 --> 00:49:22,555 Speaker 1: to take in everything from a player's natural talent to 675 00:49:22,875 --> 00:49:25,995 Speaker 1: how he did and how that was influenced by how 676 00:49:26,035 --> 00:49:30,675 Speaker 1: his home ballpark fit him as opposed to not fitting 677 00:49:30,715 --> 00:49:34,475 Speaker 1: other players, and what he did relative to the seasons 678 00:49:34,515 --> 00:49:37,035 Speaker 1: in which he played, which I think is a valuable barometer. 679 00:49:38,035 --> 00:49:41,195 Speaker 1: It comes up with one large number which can be 680 00:49:41,315 --> 00:49:44,395 Speaker 1: added to if you play twenty five years instead of twelve, 681 00:49:44,955 --> 00:49:48,035 Speaker 1: but which gives you Although I don't think I would 682 00:49:49,155 --> 00:49:51,995 Speaker 1: sign on to it as the only arbiter for who's 683 00:49:52,235 --> 00:49:56,595 Speaker 1: better than whom, it does give you relative statistics. For instance, 684 00:49:56,915 --> 00:50:00,795 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds's war is one hundred and sixty two point eight, 685 00:50:01,635 --> 00:50:04,075 Speaker 1: Roger Clemens is one hundred and thirty nine point two. 686 00:50:04,795 --> 00:50:07,995 Speaker 1: Next on the ballot is Gary Sheffield sixty point five. 687 00:50:08,315 --> 00:50:11,635 Speaker 1: So Gary Sheffield, the third highest war among these eight 688 00:50:11,715 --> 00:50:15,995 Speaker 1: nominees is less than half of the second nominee, and 689 00:50:16,555 --> 00:50:20,875 Speaker 1: it's just a little bit better than a third of 690 00:50:20,955 --> 00:50:25,195 Speaker 1: the first nominee. Jeff Kent fifty five point four, Dale 691 00:50:25,275 --> 00:50:30,195 Speaker 1: Murphy forty six point five, Delgado forty four point four, 692 00:50:30,395 --> 00:50:34,875 Speaker 1: Mattingly forty two point four, and Balezuela eighth at forty 693 00:50:34,875 --> 00:50:39,155 Speaker 1: one point four. I think among all of these I 694 00:50:39,235 --> 00:50:42,315 Speaker 1: would not and could not still under these circumstances, vote 695 00:50:42,355 --> 00:50:47,155 Speaker 1: for Barry Bonds or for Roger Clemens. I cannot do it. 696 00:50:47,435 --> 00:50:50,675 Speaker 1: I do not know how much of their careers owes 697 00:50:50,715 --> 00:50:54,315 Speaker 1: to performance enhancing drugs. I do know that they made 698 00:50:54,315 --> 00:51:00,035 Speaker 1: a decision to go and use them, and like the 699 00:51:00,075 --> 00:51:02,435 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer or would be Hall of Famer shoeless 700 00:51:02,515 --> 00:51:05,475 Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, no matter what you were when you made 701 00:51:05,515 --> 00:51:09,955 Speaker 1: that decision to do something morally bankrupt, you made the 702 00:51:09,995 --> 00:51:13,195 Speaker 1: decision to do something morally bankrupt. You do not get 703 00:51:13,235 --> 00:51:16,795 Speaker 1: credit for the time you were not morally bankrupt yet 704 00:51:16,955 --> 00:51:20,675 Speaker 1: kind of forfeit it. You only get one moral bankruptcy 705 00:51:20,915 --> 00:51:24,515 Speaker 1: assessment unless you decided to come clean at the end 706 00:51:24,755 --> 00:51:28,115 Speaker 1: and ask for forgiveness. And we have not heard that 707 00:51:28,475 --> 00:51:32,235 Speaker 1: from Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. I suspect if either 708 00:51:32,275 --> 00:51:35,795 Speaker 1: of them had at any point said yes, I use 709 00:51:35,915 --> 00:51:40,275 Speaker 1: these drugs, I was wrong. It threw the balance of 710 00:51:40,315 --> 00:51:43,635 Speaker 1: the game out of whack for the entirety of my career, 711 00:51:43,835 --> 00:51:47,235 Speaker 1: and I hope nobody ever does them again. If they 712 00:51:47,275 --> 00:51:50,955 Speaker 1: had done that, I think they probably would have gotten 713 00:51:50,995 --> 00:51:54,475 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame legitimately and quickly, and could 714 00:51:54,475 --> 00:51:57,315 Speaker 1: still do that. But there is one thing about being 715 00:51:57,355 --> 00:52:01,275 Speaker 1: a competitor like those two men. That makes that impossible. 716 00:52:01,555 --> 00:52:05,115 Speaker 1: They could not do that. I would vote even though 717 00:52:05,155 --> 00:52:09,075 Speaker 1: he is literally one quarter of the War of Barry Bonds. 718 00:52:09,435 --> 00:52:14,035 Speaker 1: I would vote for Dale Murphy. This is why I 719 00:52:14,075 --> 00:52:17,235 Speaker 1: don't have a vote for all my analysis, and I 720 00:52:17,275 --> 00:52:21,635 Speaker 1: think my baseball historian skills are comparable to almost anybody. 721 00:52:23,035 --> 00:52:27,115 Speaker 1: I do have personal prejudices. I've always been delighted to 722 00:52:27,155 --> 00:52:29,915 Speaker 1: see Dale Murphy, and I'd like to see him in 723 00:52:29,915 --> 00:52:33,235 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. But if you are saying, Okay, 724 00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:35,635 Speaker 1: we're not going to count character, We're not going to 725 00:52:35,675 --> 00:52:37,395 Speaker 1: make that an issue. We're going to put Bonds and 726 00:52:37,435 --> 00:52:41,595 Speaker 1: Clemens on the ballot, Well, maybe maybe there should be 727 00:52:41,635 --> 00:52:44,195 Speaker 1: some extra credit given to the good guys of the game, 728 00:52:44,315 --> 00:52:48,755 Speaker 1: like Murphy. Maybe Murphy should be in the war the 729 00:52:48,795 --> 00:52:52,355 Speaker 1: wins above replacement of ethics. Maybe he should be credited 730 00:52:52,395 --> 00:52:56,875 Speaker 1: with forty points. What I found most interesting among all 731 00:52:56,875 --> 00:52:58,835 Speaker 1: of these And no, I would not vote for Mattingly, 732 00:52:58,915 --> 00:53:00,755 Speaker 1: even though I've known him forever and he and I 733 00:53:00,835 --> 00:53:03,995 Speaker 1: have one running joke that dates to the mid nineties. 734 00:53:03,995 --> 00:53:06,435 Speaker 1: If you can imagine such a thing, I would not 735 00:53:06,555 --> 00:53:09,435 Speaker 1: vote for Mattingly under these circumstances. Although I would welcome 736 00:53:09,515 --> 00:53:13,195 Speaker 1: him into a tiered Hall of Fame, I would also 737 00:53:13,275 --> 00:53:16,475 Speaker 1: not vote for Valezuela. Again, the same thing. If you're 738 00:53:16,515 --> 00:53:18,155 Speaker 1: going to have part of the Hall of Fame in 739 00:53:18,195 --> 00:53:21,555 Speaker 1: which a guy is the biggest figure in baseball and 740 00:53:21,675 --> 00:53:25,515 Speaker 1: changes the sport in one community for a while, yes 741 00:53:25,555 --> 00:53:28,035 Speaker 1: I could see it, but that's not the rules right now. 742 00:53:28,555 --> 00:53:31,115 Speaker 1: And again, if we're going to put in Valenzuela, we're 743 00:53:31,155 --> 00:53:33,195 Speaker 1: going to put in Mattingly, We're going to put in 744 00:53:33,275 --> 00:53:35,835 Speaker 1: tim Linsecom, We're going to put in Buster your posey. 745 00:53:35,875 --> 00:53:37,635 Speaker 1: We're going to put in a lot of guys who 746 00:53:37,675 --> 00:53:40,555 Speaker 1: really don't have Hall of Fame careers but had Hall 747 00:53:40,595 --> 00:53:44,515 Speaker 1: of Fame five year spans. And again, there's a lot 748 00:53:44,515 --> 00:53:47,235 Speaker 1: of space in Cooperstown, New York. As they said in 749 00:53:47,275 --> 00:53:50,675 Speaker 1: a somewhat flawed movie in which a friend of mine, 750 00:53:51,635 --> 00:53:57,595 Speaker 1: Josh Charles, appeared, called Cooperstown. It's a rural area. There's 751 00:53:57,675 --> 00:54:00,515 Speaker 1: lots of extra space in Cooperstown. Well, you could add 752 00:54:00,515 --> 00:54:02,675 Speaker 1: one hundred or two hundred Hall of famers and not 753 00:54:02,875 --> 00:54:06,115 Speaker 1: really have to knock any other buildings down. Why not, 754 00:54:06,475 --> 00:54:08,915 Speaker 1: why not have more Hall of Famers? Why not let 755 00:54:08,955 --> 00:54:12,355 Speaker 1: these guys charge more for their autographs. Why not say 756 00:54:12,515 --> 00:54:14,995 Speaker 1: we don't have just three hundred or four hundred Hall 757 00:54:15,035 --> 00:54:17,115 Speaker 1: of Fame, we have five hundred Hall of Fame players. 758 00:54:17,355 --> 00:54:20,875 Speaker 1: What's the difference. So I'd like a big Hall of Fame. 759 00:54:20,915 --> 00:54:22,595 Speaker 1: But until we have a big Hall of Fame, I 760 00:54:22,635 --> 00:54:25,195 Speaker 1: can't vote for Fernando and I can't vote for Don Mattingly. 761 00:54:25,555 --> 00:54:28,715 Speaker 1: No on Carlos Delgado, No on Jeff Kent a good 762 00:54:28,755 --> 00:54:31,235 Speaker 1: second basement but not a great one, and no on 763 00:54:31,315 --> 00:54:34,515 Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield, in part because there are two guys of 764 00:54:34,555 --> 00:54:38,755 Speaker 1: this era who are not nominated who I would actually 765 00:54:38,795 --> 00:54:44,155 Speaker 1: have as my second and third votes. Dwight Evans had 766 00:54:44,195 --> 00:54:47,315 Speaker 1: the best outfield arm I ever saw until the time 767 00:54:47,355 --> 00:54:52,635 Speaker 1: of Eachiro Suzuki. His war sixty seven point two would 768 00:54:52,635 --> 00:54:56,195 Speaker 1: place him third on this list, and Keith Hernandez, the 769 00:54:56,235 --> 00:54:58,235 Speaker 1: first basement of the New York Mets and now their 770 00:54:58,275 --> 00:55:01,115 Speaker 1: commentator and first basement of the Saint Louis Cardinals, had 771 00:55:01,115 --> 00:55:04,635 Speaker 1: a war of sixty point four, which would put him 772 00:55:04,755 --> 00:55:07,635 Speaker 1: him right behind the number three guy on this list, 773 00:55:07,635 --> 00:55:10,835 Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield, at sixty point five. Keith Hernandez was the 774 00:55:10,875 --> 00:55:15,155 Speaker 1: most impressive and the most aggressive defensive player I have 775 00:55:15,275 --> 00:55:19,275 Speaker 1: ever seen. He played first base the way a really 776 00:55:19,875 --> 00:55:24,675 Speaker 1: talented safety played safety in the National Football League, or 777 00:55:24,715 --> 00:55:28,715 Speaker 1: the way a pass rusher a linebacker like Dick Butkus 778 00:55:28,795 --> 00:55:31,235 Speaker 1: played that position in the National Football League, or the 779 00:55:31,235 --> 00:55:34,515 Speaker 1: way a good goaltender plays it in hockey. He said, 780 00:55:34,915 --> 00:55:38,275 Speaker 1: let me stop the offense. And he was a very 781 00:55:38,315 --> 00:55:40,595 Speaker 1: good hitter as well, and one time MVP of the 782 00:55:40,675 --> 00:55:44,595 Speaker 1: National League. So that's the way I would do it. 783 00:55:45,075 --> 00:55:47,995 Speaker 1: But of course, as I said, if they were to 784 00:55:48,075 --> 00:55:50,475 Speaker 1: adopt my plans, which I have been proposing more or 785 00:55:50,555 --> 00:55:53,835 Speaker 1: less continuously since. Let me check my notes here. The 786 00:55:53,875 --> 00:55:56,115 Speaker 1: first article I wrote about redoing the Hall of Fame 787 00:55:56,195 --> 00:56:03,795 Speaker 1: vote was in oh nineteen a one. Oh no, that's 788 00:56:03,835 --> 00:56:06,875 Speaker 1: not the first one. I wrote one in nineteen seventy 789 00:56:06,915 --> 00:56:12,795 Speaker 1: eight when Dale Murphy was a rookie. They still haven't 790 00:56:12,795 --> 00:56:16,035 Speaker 1: gotten around to approving it. In fact, every time they 791 00:56:16,075 --> 00:56:19,235 Speaker 1: talk about changes in the Hall of Fame, I don't 792 00:56:19,275 --> 00:56:35,955 Speaker 1: even get a goddamn courtesy vote. I do like that 793 00:56:36,075 --> 00:56:37,675 Speaker 1: idea of having the Hall of Fame, though with a 794 00:56:37,755 --> 00:56:43,195 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens steroid era place, with Mark McGuire 795 00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:46,035 Speaker 1: and Pete Rose in it. Joe Jackson and a lot 796 00:56:46,035 --> 00:56:47,595 Speaker 1: of the other players who were thrown out of the 797 00:56:47,635 --> 00:56:50,915 Speaker 1: game for gambling and other nefarious acts. I like that, 798 00:56:51,475 --> 00:56:53,915 Speaker 1: and you keep the lights low, and you know, if 799 00:56:53,955 --> 00:56:55,475 Speaker 1: you really want to go in there, you have to, 800 00:56:55,515 --> 00:57:00,355 Speaker 1: like rent a flashlight. I think I'm onto something here. 801 00:57:02,955 --> 00:57:05,315 Speaker 1: Could be the decline of my own mental faculties, but 802 00:57:05,315 --> 00:57:07,995 Speaker 1: I'm onto something. I've done all the damage I can 803 00:57:08,035 --> 00:57:10,155 Speaker 1: do here. Thank you for listening. Most of our Countdown 804 00:57:10,275 --> 00:57:12,875 Speaker 1: music was arranged, produced, and performed by Brian Ray and 805 00:57:12,955 --> 00:57:16,515 Speaker 1: John Phillip Shaneil our musical directors have Countdown. It was 806 00:57:16,555 --> 00:57:20,115 Speaker 1: produced by Tko Brothers. Mister Ray was on the guitars, bass, 807 00:57:20,115 --> 00:57:24,195 Speaker 1: and drums, and mister Shanelle handled orchestration and keyboards. You know, 808 00:57:24,235 --> 00:57:27,115 Speaker 1: you could put the designated hitters in the limited career 809 00:57:27,275 --> 00:57:31,555 Speaker 1: category two because they're not actually Hall of famers because 810 00:57:31,755 --> 00:57:37,395 Speaker 1: they don't play defense. I'll do a commentary about that sometime, GI, 811 00:57:37,395 --> 00:57:39,475 Speaker 1: just of it being in the old days, somebody who 812 00:57:39,675 --> 00:57:42,275 Speaker 1: fielded so badly that he could not have been a 813 00:57:42,355 --> 00:57:45,355 Speaker 1: regular hitter, wasn't a regular hitter and usually wasn't in 814 00:57:45,395 --> 00:57:48,955 Speaker 1: the major leagues. How many guys made it to the 815 00:57:48,995 --> 00:57:51,275 Speaker 1: major leagues and now to the Hall of Fame because 816 00:57:51,275 --> 00:57:54,835 Speaker 1: they instituted this rule, who otherwise would have spent their years, 817 00:57:55,235 --> 00:57:58,915 Speaker 1: their lives playing for Salt Lake City of the Pacific 818 00:57:59,035 --> 00:58:03,715 Speaker 1: Coast League. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Our 819 00:58:03,755 --> 00:58:06,435 Speaker 1: satirical on fifthy musical comments are by the best baseball 820 00:58:06,435 --> 00:58:10,955 Speaker 1: stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust. The Olderman theme from ESPN two, 821 00:58:10,995 --> 00:58:14,355 Speaker 1: written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN, Inc. Is 822 00:58:14,395 --> 00:58:17,395 Speaker 1: the sports music. Other music arranged and performed by the 823 00:58:17,395 --> 00:58:20,875 Speaker 1: group No Horns Allowed. My announcer today is my friend 824 00:58:21,355 --> 00:58:25,275 Speaker 1: Mariner Kenny Main, who will vote for anybody from Seattle. 825 00:58:26,195 --> 00:58:30,195 Speaker 1: Everything else was, as always my fault. That's countdown for today, 826 00:58:30,275 --> 00:58:33,355 Speaker 1: Day two hundred and ninety one of America held hostage 827 00:58:33,475 --> 00:58:38,555 Speaker 1: again and just seventy two days until the scheduled end 828 00:58:38,555 --> 00:58:41,475 Speaker 1: of his lame duck and lame brain term unless he 829 00:58:41,555 --> 00:58:46,395 Speaker 1: is removed sooner by MAGA and Jeffrey Epstein and the 830 00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:50,635 Speaker 1: pavement patch on his hand or tail and hall, or 831 00:58:50,675 --> 00:58:55,475 Speaker 1: the jet made out of poop, or his next scheduled 832 00:58:55,515 --> 00:59:00,755 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's test. The next scheduled countdown is Monday. Until then, 833 00:59:00,795 --> 00:59:04,435 Speaker 1: I'm Keith Olderman, good Morning, good afternoon, good night, and 834 00:59:04,435 --> 00:59:25,115 Speaker 1: good block. 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