Speaker 1: Podcast. Is anyone's still out there? Fair question? Welcome to
Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name
Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas. I come to you from a city
Speaker 1: filled the heroes in Bunker's Mark Sessler, Greg Rosendal, Ricky Hollywood.
Speaker 1: What is up, boys and girl? Well we're in more
Speaker 1: than one city now, Ricky with a beautiful backdrop. If
Speaker 1: this is sent out on social at all, you know,
Speaker 1: can we see it? Yeah, it's beautiful. Sorry if you
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Yeah, what's happening. I decided to fly
Speaker 1: home this week to visit family and I can work
Speaker 1: from anywhere, and decided to come home. And it's not
Speaker 1: too bad of of a desk today. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: it's like, well by your parents, you know there did
Speaker 1: the work? Yeah, I haven't done anything. Do you have
Speaker 1: a little boat down there that you can Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I have a have a boat. Doesn't have a name.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't name it. You can do the
Speaker 1: classic sportswriter move and like take a picture and be
Speaker 1: like my office for the day. We banned that. She
Speaker 1: recalled Greg. We banned that as a part of the lexicon.
Speaker 1: So she can't do that. Let's spear footage over there, Ricky,
Speaker 1: let's try to figure out getting an approximation of Erica's
Speaker 1: family wealth. It's incredible. That's all you need to know.
Speaker 1: It's incredible wealth. Little that we know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it is what it is. That's not true, that's
Speaker 1: not true. It's it's a nice, quaint little condo. You know.
Speaker 1: It is a sign of like your class standing when
Speaker 1: you're asking to count other people's money. So that that
Speaker 1: was a bit of a calling on myself and Greg
Speaker 1: was happy to jump in there. We don't want to stories,
Speaker 1: but we don't need to make her uncomfortable. A couple
Speaker 1: of little you guys paint me in the worst light ever,
Speaker 1: and you know what, you just keep talking and I'm
Speaker 1: going to sit by my light. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it's nice. I think it's good. I'm not I do
Speaker 1: like my My whole thing is um. When I think
Speaker 1: about what does it mean to be New England blue blood,
Speaker 1: to be one of the you know, the upper tier
Speaker 1: members of that society? Is was I bounced on the
Speaker 1: lap of Ted Williams as a child. And to that answer, Erica,
Speaker 1: you must reply, yes, Teddy ball game, Teddy ball game? Yeah, Um, okay, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on in the news guys, right, we do
Speaker 1: have to get to Victor pretty soon. I'm excited about
Speaker 1: Victor far you know, we he will be the longtime
Speaker 1: beatman connected to the Raiders and uh, he is going
Speaker 1: to be our guest of honor when we continue our
Speaker 1: Wheel of Team series with the Raiders. And this was
Speaker 1: the first UM beat guy where when we make the announcement,
Speaker 1: we spend the Wheel on Monday where I don't know
Speaker 1: about your guys replies, but I got several they're like,
Speaker 1: you gotta get vic Vick's got to be the guy
Speaker 1: to talk Raiders football, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a few mentions for people that I've never
Speaker 1: heard of UM also, but um Vix seemed to be
Speaker 1: the overwhelming favorite among a certain type of Raiders fan.
Speaker 1: And Greg, you had like a spicy tweet out there
Speaker 1: where you were ranking the Twitter fan bases. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I believe you had the Raiders in the top five
Speaker 1: Raiders fans in the top five Twitter fan bases. Yeah. Ay.
Speaker 1: They've been put through a lot the last two decades
Speaker 1: and it hasn't remotely dimmed their enthusiasm. Um B, I
Speaker 1: think I just was afraid of them if I didn't
Speaker 1: put them on, you know, like they they rule through
Speaker 1: um intelligence and intimidation, and uh you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: guilty of being a victim to that. That was a
Speaker 1: very crafty tweet to put out there in mid June
Speaker 1: where there's not a lot happening. It engages everyone on
Speaker 1: the list and the others who are not. I always
Speaker 1: thought that Greg had gotten some social media counseling from
Speaker 1: someone on how to crafta I was super bored watching
Speaker 1: my kids, uh scooter around uh this little like sort
Speaker 1: of park half pipe type of thing, and was just
Speaker 1: it was just killing time. But yeah, the best uh
Speaker 1: five Twitter? You know, Saints Twitter got number one, Um,
Speaker 1: they got the they have the smarts, but they're so funny.
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're the funniest Twitter, the most entertaining,
Speaker 1: Seahawks Twitter number two. Uh and then I had Raiders,
Speaker 1: Eagles and Falcons as the next three. Now, so some
Speaker 1: teams came after me. The Browns fans were there, and
Speaker 1: that's true. Maybe I don't follow enough Browns fans and stuff,
Speaker 1: but that, um, I felt good about that. Top five. Okay,
Speaker 1: today I had to do the worst Twitter. You know,
Speaker 1: people wanted that too, and I went with Patriots, Bills,
Speaker 1: and Bears. Those are the three worst, very annoying. Every
Speaker 1: Pats fan like agreed in the mentions. Uh, I consulted
Speaker 1: because it came about because Bill Barnwell then replied to me,
Speaker 1: I wonder if our bottom five are are the same,
Speaker 1: And so we texted each other and we had the
Speaker 1: exact same bottom three. So I was like, well, if
Speaker 1: if it's that much of a consensus, we gotta just
Speaker 1: put it out there. I've never thought about this once,
Speaker 1: but I like that you guys are plugged in this
Speaker 1: because I find it interesting. Look joining joining Erica on
Speaker 1: the Decades, Ben Affleck and Mike Greenwell. Well, stop over
Speaker 1: m VP runner up. I believe Mike Greenwell about that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's do some news wants. It's justice. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's nice to see some people change their mind. Canada
Speaker 1: NFL said, yeah, maybe we was wrong football players. Maybe
Speaker 1: they did have the right to peacefully protests. We don't apologize.
Speaker 1: Give Colin Kaepernick a job back. Well, there it is
Speaker 1: Reverend Al Sharpton speaking at George Floyd's funeral and calling
Speaker 1: for Colin Kaepernick to get back in the NFL. Do
Speaker 1: you guys think, before we get into news, do you
Speaker 1: guys think it's gonna happen as simple as that. It's
Speaker 1: obviously a very complicated issue, but maybe it's not so complicated.
Speaker 1: Do you think Colin Kaepernick has played his final down
Speaker 1: in football in the NFL after what's transpired over the
Speaker 1: last two weeks. I mean, it's a guess, but I
Speaker 1: think so because, Um, on top of the fact that he,
Speaker 1: you know, based on the player that he is, and
Speaker 1: he hasn't played in a long time, should already have
Speaker 1: a backup job based on some of the backups out there. Um,
Speaker 1: when you start to assuming you know, action begins and
Speaker 1: you start to lose quarterbacks left and right. Um, if
Speaker 1: his name is ignored at that point, um, I would
Speaker 1: be really concerned about where the league actually really is
Speaker 1: at on this too. I doubt it, because look, if
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are talking about about it in the past tense,
Speaker 1: it's like that's the team that's a team that should
Speaker 1: should do it, And I just think it's gonna it
Speaker 1: would have to take an owner that says to their
Speaker 1: coaching staff, I'm sure they bring it up, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way that they want to listen. But it
Speaker 1: probably would just take an owner saying we're we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this because we think it's the right thing to
Speaker 1: do for the league, and we'll figure out the contract
Speaker 1: and if you don't want want, I'm like, sorry, we're
Speaker 1: just going to make that decision that you know that's
Speaker 1: happened sometimes in NFL history, usually it's it's um more
Speaker 1: about like league wide matters. But it basically I think
Speaker 1: would take an under doing that, and they haven't done
Speaker 1: it so far, so I guess they don't expect it
Speaker 1: to happen now. It's fair. I think that's probably the
Speaker 1: most logical way this plays out. But I will say,
Speaker 1: you know that what's happened and how the kind of
Speaker 1: climate around this has shifted, and I know there's some
Speaker 1: there's still millions of people that feel the way Drew
Speaker 1: Brees did uh this time last week for instance. However,
Speaker 1: I think it's thought in terms of how um some
Speaker 1: people that maybe were either on the fence or or
Speaker 1: some people that just kind of now see it differently
Speaker 1: than they did after what's played out with George Floyd
Speaker 1: and and more thought and more coverage of the Kaepernick situation.
Speaker 1: I wonder if an owner will see on that realizing
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't be perhaps quite as polarizing as it
Speaker 1: was in the past. So I'm gonna say I think
Speaker 1: think it. I would say, yes, I think it could happen.
Speaker 1: I think it when with you, and I think also
Speaker 1: a lot of it was tied to you know, I
Speaker 1: think owners take care out. Owners were scared about sponsorship
Speaker 1: in dollars. I mean, obviously that's typically what they seem
Speaker 1: to be lord to and attracted to to begin with,
Speaker 1: which is the money base of it. But you're talking
Speaker 1: about a season where there's also no fans in the stands.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a changing time and like
Speaker 1: it to me, I consider it, um a pretty cynical reality.
Speaker 1: If no owner at this stage would be open to it,
Speaker 1: it is. But we we haven't heard the owners say
Speaker 1: anything about Goodell video um. And of course that video
Speaker 1: didn't mention Kaepernick either. And there's this whole you know,
Speaker 1: people bring up that there's you know, a case that
Speaker 1: of course the NFL already settled with with Kaepernick paying
Speaker 1: him money in terms of what the terms are of
Speaker 1: that grievance, and maybe that affects what Goodell can say.
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but we haven't heard owners on
Speaker 1: it really. And one other part of this which is
Speaker 1: kind of forgotten because so much has happened, both in
Speaker 1: the end bell and in the world since it happened.
Speaker 1: But Steve Weisch was there when it happened. The Kaepernick
Speaker 1: had a private workout or a public workout in November
Speaker 1: of last year, and that didn't go off without a hitch.
Speaker 1: That was remember Steve coming on our show and saying
Speaker 1: that the seeds of mistrust are so deep between Kaepernick's
Speaker 1: camp and the NFL. Uh that if you remember, Kaepernick
Speaker 1: moved the workout to a different location at the last second,
Speaker 1: and some people viewed it as maybe not a force
Speaker 1: but something that was like it led to more thought
Speaker 1: that is this guy really serious about getting in the
Speaker 1: league or is it more about UH platform and using
Speaker 1: it as a way to spread his message and that
Speaker 1: I imagine it's gonna scare teams off as well. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, but it remains one of the
Speaker 1: or if not the biggest singular story in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Right now, let's get to some other news and we'll start,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're talking running back stuff again, and running
Speaker 1: backs that want to get paid believe they deserve to
Speaker 1: get aid. And Vikings running back Dalvin Cook, one of
Speaker 1: the very best in the league, UH, has said that
Speaker 1: he plans to hold out without a quote reasonable extension.
Speaker 1: A source told ESPN he's out without a reasonable extension.
Speaker 1: He will not be showing up for a camp or beyond.
Speaker 1: The Vikings had some cap issues, um, but they move
Speaker 1: stuff on digs UH that that clears some money off
Speaker 1: their cap. But the decision, I guess greg comes down
Speaker 1: to do they want to invest in a running back
Speaker 1: when we keep on seeing that these investments haven't quite
Speaker 1: worked out around the league When you get into business,
Speaker 1: the superstar at that position, yeah, I think they'd like
Speaker 1: to pay him, but he has some of the red
Speaker 1: flags that you worry about in terms of his injury history.
Speaker 1: He also has a really good backup. I think I
Speaker 1: just think it's a normal time too for a player
Speaker 1: to hold out, So like, look, look, this happens every year.
Speaker 1: It's not surprising news. The thing that's different this year
Speaker 1: that people might not be aware of is that the
Speaker 1: new collective bargaining agreement. Really, UM put in some rules
Speaker 1: that makes it harder to hold out, and if you
Speaker 1: don't show up for camp, you start losing in a
Speaker 1: crude season. Um, if if you just don't show up
Speaker 1: for camp. Now, I think it's gonna be like up
Speaker 1: to the team. If you can figure out a contract,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. You don't need that a crude season.
Speaker 1: But there are some new rules you also can get
Speaker 1: find much more. It's mandatory, that's if you're on a
Speaker 1: second contract. So that doesn't apply to Dalvin Cook. But
Speaker 1: that was one of those little wrinkles in this new
Speaker 1: cb A that like, if Dalvin Cook doesn't show up
Speaker 1: in theory, he loses that a crude season towards free
Speaker 1: agency right away if they don't come to a new
Speaker 1: contract agreement. That was a little bit of a under
Speaker 1: sold aspect of the new CBIA because I don't really
Speaker 1: recall hearing about that until this issue popped up, UM,
Speaker 1: And it should certainly curb some of the you know,
Speaker 1: um kind of you know, some of the stuff we've
Speaker 1: seen in terminal holdouts, you know, going going deep into
Speaker 1: the season or something. And if you don't think there's
Speaker 1: a hope of a contract. The Vikings have UM in
Speaker 1: the past signed guys like uh, Xavier Rhodes and digs
Speaker 1: and ever Everson Griffin and Lindvall Joseph too contracts like
Speaker 1: the day before training camp UM and Courtney Cronin from
Speaker 1: ESPN also reported that the actual asking price UM seems
Speaker 1: to be closer to about thirteen million per year when
Speaker 1: it was originally noted that was around sixteen, which is
Speaker 1: way up there. So you don't know. Maybe we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens with that, but maybe part of it is
Speaker 1: Cook having to have a dose of reality in terms
Speaker 1: of what he can ask per per year here and
Speaker 1: then we talked about Derrick Henry last week, another guy
Speaker 1: that wants a long term deal with Paul Kuharsky. When
Speaker 1: we uhd are tight Titans deep dive and Henry wanting
Speaker 1: superstar money? Is that because he's not a true three
Speaker 1: down back? Well, Cook is Cook is a guy that
Speaker 1: not only is he a study running the ball, but
Speaker 1: last season he was targeted that offense sixty three times.
Speaker 1: He had fifty three catches, UH averaged almost ten yards
Speaker 1: to catch. I mean, he's he's kind of a do
Speaker 1: it all guy. I but like Greg said, there's some
Speaker 1: red flags there with his injury history. Uh and uh
Speaker 1: we'll see how the Vikings play this. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: is all very normal. It's always nice to have some
Speaker 1: sets of normalcy on the leak out. Like I just
Speaker 1: I just on Twitter saw that uh Nick Underhill uh
Speaker 1: covers the Saints does a great job. He tweeted article
Speaker 1: that Jared Cook a lot of talking around the Saints
Speaker 1: that Jared Cooke is going to be unleashed as a
Speaker 1: monster this year. And I just put up the trope
Speaker 1: signals because like it's good to have it, the troupe
Speaker 1: alert back uh this time of year, which is something
Speaker 1: that's been wiped out mostly because we're not gonna have
Speaker 1: any o t s or minicamps. Well, Jared Cook is
Speaker 1: his own. He's like a walking trope. He gets that
Speaker 1: every team he's on. He's been on like five teams,
Speaker 1: we've heard this Jared Cook trope. Specifically, I'm not taking
Speaker 1: the bait one thing. Dan, I'm not with you, like
Speaker 1: when it comes to the coronavirus. Taking certain things away
Speaker 1: potentially for good, like holdout news is just not simply
Speaker 1: something that get revs my engine, nor will it ever,
Speaker 1: I want it. I want anything that feels like the
Speaker 1: way things used to be uh, personally, at least in
Speaker 1: the world of football. UM. In other news, the NFL,
Speaker 1: the NFL, and the Players Association this from Tom Peala
Speaker 1: Sero today are discussing the possibility of shortening the preseason UH.
Speaker 1: Nothing is finalized or close to being finalized, but multiple
Speaker 1: team executives informed of talks currently believe they could end
Speaker 1: up playing half of the typical preseason schedule, going from
Speaker 1: four games to two. UH. That would allow for a
Speaker 1: longer ramp up period for a league filled with players
Speaker 1: who weren't able to get their usual offseason work in
Speaker 1: with their teams due to the restrictions brought on by
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. This feels like a long time overdue. It
Speaker 1: is crazy to me that in the late seventies, as
Speaker 1: late as the late seventies, you were playing six preseason
Speaker 1: games before UH the season began knocked down to four
Speaker 1: for the last couple of decades. Two feels right, because
Speaker 1: four feels long, right. And for this was gonna, I believe,
Speaker 1: be the last year four or the second you know,
Speaker 1: they had negotiated down to three. The players had wanted to,
Speaker 1: and so for this year, I think we are just
Speaker 1: getting that too. And who knows, maybe maybe it'll go
Speaker 1: in a certain way that they just say, I know,
Speaker 1: we agreed to three, uh you know in the c
Speaker 1: b A, but maybe we'll knock it down to two.
Speaker 1: You know what, what is the point of these preseason games,
Speaker 1: um in terms of, you know, making money other than
Speaker 1: the TV revenue, because if if fans aren't in the
Speaker 1: crowd anyways, that's a big part of it. You you know,
Speaker 1: are you really gonna charge your fans full price for
Speaker 1: preseason games like you have in the past, your season
Speaker 1: ticket holders this year? That seems very dicey, and I
Speaker 1: think I think owners would probably want to avoid that anyways.
Speaker 1: And I think the coaches and the players are are
Speaker 1: probably on the same page here that they don't want
Speaker 1: to play four games this year. At least. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think the league has too problems when it comes
Speaker 1: to asking fans to pay money to see anything. It's
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl and any preseason game because if anything,
Speaker 1: you know, the trend last year was we're not even
Speaker 1: gonna fool around with playing players for five or six
Speaker 1: plays in these games. They were just yanked entirely for
Speaker 1: almost three of the four contests for most teams, And
Speaker 1: I don't think that helped everyone. But we we always
Speaker 1: look at things from from this lens. But I would say,
Speaker 1: if you're a coach with you know, twenty two cornerbacks
Speaker 1: at the start of camp, and you've got to find
Speaker 1: a way to whittle it down and figure out who
Speaker 1: some of them are your it's just this, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a challenging process in general to figure out
Speaker 1: how to make some of those decisions. And preseason games
Speaker 1: matter for those guys that said, um, the idea that
Speaker 1: human beings suffered through six of these at some point
Speaker 1: is crazy. But those guys were also showing up to camp,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen sixteen pounds overweight of like beer weight.
Speaker 1: And so these guys, the players are putting themselves into
Speaker 1: a better position out of the gate. Right now is
Speaker 1: a totally different world. There was a time when the
Speaker 1: Jets Giants preseason game was a bigger deal than any
Speaker 1: of their regular season games. Well it was like eight
Speaker 1: years ago. It was like literally like when the year
Speaker 1: after the Jets won Super Bowl three, the hype and
Speaker 1: the excitement and and what Joan Amoth said the meaning
Speaker 1: um behind the preseason game the next year against the
Speaker 1: Giants was bigger that the preseason game was a bigger
Speaker 1: game than the Super Bowl. It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we can't even put our our minds in that in
Speaker 1: that timeframe mark, the Snoopy Bowl was manufactured corporate sludge. Well,
Speaker 1: I that's fine, but a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we're told to be enthused about related to the NFL
Speaker 1: could be put into a similar category. You know, don't
Speaker 1: get too precious with that. It also gives the league,
Speaker 1: you know, a month to figure out. It gives them
Speaker 1: more time to figure out however they're going to handle
Speaker 1: these games, which is ultra complicated. And it's like the
Speaker 1: the NBA is starting late July, that's not that much
Speaker 1: before the NFL, and they've had this whole ramp up.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not They need to figure out how
Speaker 1: exactly this is all gonna work, which which is gonna
Speaker 1: take some work. Speaking of a COVID nineteen World, Bruce Arians,
Speaker 1: the coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, appeared on Chris
Speaker 1: Longs podcast. Chris long is a competitor. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not somebody we cover anymore. He's a competitor, and I
Speaker 1: think he should I disagree. Yes, I understand. We want
Speaker 1: to say that he's doing all the right things on
Speaker 1: and off the field, and I totally agree, But he
Speaker 1: is a podcast host and that should always be kept
Speaker 1: in mind as well. Now, sure he's in that bucket.
Speaker 1: So therefore him and the other the other fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: podcasts out there, you know, green light enemies. Mr Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand enemies. Anyway, Long's podcast had arians and Long
Speaker 1: asked about the idea of keeping a quarterback away from
Speaker 1: the facility during the season to give the team a
Speaker 1: little bit protection in these uncertain times. Let's hear what
Speaker 1: Brucie had to say. Yeah, that's one of the things
Speaker 1: I've been pondering in the last two or three weeks
Speaker 1: as we as we set the protocols UH and us.
Speaker 1: That I'm understanding is if you test us the two
Speaker 1: weeks now, if you have no symptoms. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means, is is that the false one is
Speaker 1: So I don't there's so much to learn and still
Speaker 1: explore with this thing. But I've thought about keeping the
Speaker 1: third quarterback on the roster out of the home. Chris
Speaker 1: Long's podcasts have like Carnival cruise music just floating underneath
Speaker 1: to yeah, you gotta set yourself apart. He's actually got
Speaker 1: a live band just playing in the background. While certainly
Speaker 1: feeling better about it all of a sudden. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of logic to Bruce's thoughts there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there is. But you know, whenever you hear a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback talk about anything, all they ever talking about it,
Speaker 1: you know my preparation. I'm prepared to step on the
Speaker 1: field the minute, you know, anything goes awry. And if
Speaker 1: your quarterback number three and you're home on your couch
Speaker 1: or out in your backyard line in the in the
Speaker 1: grass while everyone else is gaining knowledge and um, you know,
Speaker 1: working together and getting reps, it feels like a bit
Speaker 1: of a bum deal for that individual. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's the perfect role, though for Mike Lennon, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of an embarrassing roster spot to
Speaker 1: be the uh, the quarantine's quarterback. That's like, let's let's
Speaker 1: get Peterman to get paid the same amount of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it wouldn't be a bad who's who's the
Speaker 1: joke really on? Ultimately, right, I don't think this. I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if this happens, but it's not a crazy
Speaker 1: thought when you're just thinking about things, because it's all
Speaker 1: got to be messy. We'll see like five players on
Speaker 1: the Alabama team reportedly tested positive and you know they're
Speaker 1: in the spring. But if if that happens with an
Speaker 1: NFL team, I don't know. I mean, we're an uncharged
Speaker 1: but it's messy if I mean, I love, I love
Speaker 1: the optimism of this full steam ahead. Um, everything's gonna
Speaker 1: go off without a hitch. But you know human nature
Speaker 1: and the way that viruses tend to work, and they're
Speaker 1: not as concerned about television ratings and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: attendance and all the other stuff as human beings are,
Speaker 1: especially owners tricky territory. And I think at least Bruce
Speaker 1: arians has to He's what he's telling you, as coaches
Speaker 1: are gonna have to be more flexible to to the
Speaker 1: tradition of building and running a team than ever before.
Speaker 1: Times ten thousand. I mean, there is pro sports being
Speaker 1: played now, you know it's soccer. It's not as many
Speaker 1: people there will be pro sports. You know, played by
Speaker 1: the NBA, you know, before the NFL comes back. So
Speaker 1: it's going to be done, you know, you know, as
Speaker 1: Korean baseball has been being played without any majors, so
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to have a million precaution, but it
Speaker 1: is being done. It's just there's no other sport with
Speaker 1: as many people, well as many people smashing into each other. Also,
Speaker 1: but in other news, we're talking about offseason programs in
Speaker 1: this unprecedented time we're living in the Bears, they've decided
Speaker 1: to end their off season program earlier, and Matt Naggy said,
Speaker 1: you know what, nine weeks. That's fine, that's enough, and
Speaker 1: he wants his folk players to focus on training without
Speaker 1: having to worry about video conference conferences four days a week.
Speaker 1: The team will hold its final virtual meeting on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Uh so they're basically finishing a week and a half
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. We've done so much, we feel like
Speaker 1: we're in a really good place right now, Naggi said
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday conference called Yeah, I think I wouldn't
Speaker 1: tell anyone. I'd say to I'd say to the players, guys,
Speaker 1: you've done You've met all our goals. Um, But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't announce to uh, you know, thirty one other teams
Speaker 1: we're closing up shop. Um, because you know, what do
Speaker 1: we think of the Lions for rolling into Campa? You
Speaker 1: know what is it a week later that they do
Speaker 1: every year? How with that plan? So you know a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure suddenly on the Bears didn't well now
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know it did in the Saint
Speaker 1: say they were canceling the whole off season program. Well
Speaker 1: that's because they played for two or three weeks and
Speaker 1: every other team so and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: I have found it interesting. It's a little related to
Speaker 1: this is um, you know, the the NFL like allowed
Speaker 1: coaches to come back and now they're unveiling like when
Speaker 1: players can go back, And more teams than not have
Speaker 1: just been like, nah, it's okay. Like even the Patriots
Speaker 1: are like, we don't really have any big need to
Speaker 1: come back in like they're allowed to, Like the Rams
Speaker 1: are the same way they're allowed to. But a lot
Speaker 1: of teams, most teams are saying like this is fine,
Speaker 1: Well let's let's gear up for training camp. That is
Speaker 1: our huge goal is if that can come off, right,
Speaker 1: Like then if that can come off great, but otherwise,
Speaker 1: like we'll see them, there's gonna be in the best
Speaker 1: case scenario, I guess, is the way this is going
Speaker 1: to play out. Um, and I totally understand, Uh, if
Speaker 1: you want to look at it as like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be be so rosy and optimistic about how
Speaker 1: they want the schedule to go. But if it works
Speaker 1: out how the NFL wants it to work out, you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose O T A S and you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: the mini camps and if and I guess, two preseason games.
Speaker 1: But other than that, they want things to be on schedule.
Speaker 1: And but if you take away the otis and mini camps,
Speaker 1: like what really, what more are you able to do?
Speaker 1: Right now? Your hands are kind of tied it right Ultimately.
Speaker 1: In other news Panthers news, Luke Keikley retired. Remember that?
Speaker 1: How about that? I forgot about that? One of the
Speaker 1: best linebackers in the league surprisingly shut it down in
Speaker 1: January years old. Well, he's staying with the organization. Organization
Speaker 1: where he became a star, announced on Thursday he's returning.
Speaker 1: Uh just less Thursday, returning to the team as a
Speaker 1: pro scout. And here's keek Ley's quote, my family ran
Speaker 1: an auto parts company. That was my last job. When
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I worked in the warehouse
Speaker 1: as a warehouse picker. Well, now he's doing some real
Speaker 1: grunt work. Is a scout mark. You gotta respect? This
Speaker 1: isn't every man. I think it's pretty cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wonder what the catch up or someone like him
Speaker 1: is on that. On that front, it's um, those jobs
Speaker 1: by the you know, they're not cushy you're on. I
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly his specific roles, but some of
Speaker 1: those guys are on the on the road a ton um.
Speaker 1: But I think he's obviously more dealing with the pro side.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, you know, what kind of linebacker are
Speaker 1: we looking for you? Basically someone with your skills? Can
Speaker 1: we just find you? Okay? I don't know, he said,
Speaker 1: he like he's He says his favorite thing is to
Speaker 1: be around the team, to be around football, and this
Speaker 1: was his way to do that. I think he is
Speaker 1: mostly working out of Carolina in terms of working like
Speaker 1: with their pro scouting department. You know, you hear people
Speaker 1: say it's not about the money, but this is clear,
Speaker 1: like he's not about the money. He had a broadcasting
Speaker 1: career offer he could do there other things. It is
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And you've seen some players, you know, Ozzie
Speaker 1: Newsome was a so almost a Hall of Fame type
Speaker 1: of player. I mean, he was a part of check.
Speaker 1: You know, it happened sometimes. Doug Williams obviously has had
Speaker 1: a great career from personnel. In other Panthers news, the
Speaker 1: team announced Wednesday today that they are moving the statue
Speaker 1: of former owner Jerry Richardson, uh quote, in the interest
Speaker 1: of public safety. The thirteen foot statue, which is just
Speaker 1: an absurd sculpture. It was, or it is because it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be melted down or anything. It's just being moved.
Speaker 1: But it's a giant statue of Richardson holding a football
Speaker 1: with two ferocious Panthers pouncing on each side of him.
Speaker 1: It's resided outside of the Bank America Stadium. It was
Speaker 1: given to Richardson on his eightieth birthday in two thousand sixteen. However,
Speaker 1: the founding owner of the franchise UM abruptly put the
Speaker 1: team up for cell after allegations of racial and sexual
Speaker 1: miscon duct in the workplace were made against him. In
Speaker 1: December two thousand seventeen, David tepper Uh ended up coming
Speaker 1: in and buying the team, And here's the full quote
Speaker 1: from the team. We are aware of the most recent
Speaker 1: conversation surrounding the Jerry Richardson statue and are concerned there
Speaker 1: may be attempts to take it down. We are moving
Speaker 1: the statue in the interest of public safety. A little
Speaker 1: lukewarm on the statement there from the Panthers, Great, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not because actions, to me speak louder than words,
Speaker 1: and in this case, I think these actions are gonna
Speaker 1: be appreciated by a lot of people in Carolina. And
Speaker 1: John Jonathan Jones, who we know, you could do both.
Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm saying. I guess you can do.
Speaker 1: But here here's what I was gonna get to Jonathan Jones,
Speaker 1: you know reported and he's followed it up today that
Speaker 1: you know, when the when the sale happened and people
Speaker 1: knew this temper, the new owner had to agree to
Speaker 1: keep that statue or else he wasn't gonna say the
Speaker 1: team and the only reason legally that they could say
Speaker 1: that they could remove it was for safety reasons. That
Speaker 1: was written into the contract. And so they're going with
Speaker 1: that and Richardson UM as some sort of representative that
Speaker 1: didn't release a statement from Richardson, but did respond to
Speaker 1: spokesman and Um basically just said he's he's always treated
Speaker 1: everyone fairly, but he's probably not thrilled about this. So
Speaker 1: I reading between the lines, I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's the way Temper was gonna get this accomplished. Crazy.
Speaker 1: I know, it's wild. Things are changing the Big Ben.
Speaker 1: Speaking of things are changing, the Big Ben block party
Speaker 1: is coming to an end. We're just talking about this
Speaker 1: so much recently that Ben Roethlisberger his Twitter account blocks everybody,
Speaker 1: including I know myself. Greg. I believe you, Mark, you
Speaker 1: were not blocked. Feel like I've been more critical of
Speaker 1: Big Ben than everyone here put together for various reasons,
Speaker 1: and I've not up been blocked by the guy. So
Speaker 1: I don't understand the strategy. Alright, Anyway, it was and
Speaker 1: this is your old boss there, Mike Florio, Greg, just
Speaker 1: another example this this guy just he's gonna crank out
Speaker 1: the content no matter what. And he has a whole
Speaker 1: story about it on Pro Football Talk. UH that at
Speaker 1: Underscore Big Ben seven, UH is going to unblock all
Speaker 1: the people that have been blocked according to a knowledge
Speaker 1: for a source with knowledge of the situation. So Greg,
Speaker 1: we're off the hook, We're unblocked. Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a day. I mean, you get rid of this Richardson's statue.
Speaker 1: That's great, you get unblocked. Uh, it would be funny.
Speaker 1: I'd like to read this article. I feel like Big
Speaker 1: Ben was was trying to pin it to like the latest.
Speaker 1: You know, well, as as the nation is coming together,
Speaker 1: I decided to try to heal things as the way
Speaker 1: I could unblocked. I want to know, Greg, and I
Speaker 1: know you have a chord relationship with Florio post p FT.
Speaker 1: I want to know if Mike did digging on this
Speaker 1: and reached out to the Big End camp or the
Speaker 1: Big Ben camp reached out to Florio, a prominent newsmaker,
Speaker 1: an aggregator here for the NFL, And who got this
Speaker 1: story out here? Who's amplifying here? Like who is the
Speaker 1: one that wanted to make this? Uh? Something in the
Speaker 1: main street feels like Florio. You know, he's always trying
Speaker 1: to scare up some stories. He's also very tight with
Speaker 1: the you know, he covers the Steelers. That's like the
Speaker 1: closest team to him. So I bet I bet he
Speaker 1: he was probably annoyed for a long time, he was
Speaker 1: blocked or something. I gotta believe there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of Big Ben in there. I mean wanting you know,
Speaker 1: it's the big Bend image. It's a little bit petty.
Speaker 1: We've had issues with quarterbacks blocking us before on on
Speaker 1: our show and dealt with it head on with someone
Speaker 1: will talk about later today. But let's be honest. I mean,
Speaker 1: it looks a little little bit small for Big Ben
Speaker 1: to be blocking anyone that comes at him with any
Speaker 1: sort of a take that's anti Steelers issue. Please. It
Speaker 1: is funny to think of like the Roethlisberger, the guy
Speaker 1: who runs his Twitter account like contacting Ario, Hey, can
Speaker 1: you get this up there? That's what I mean. I
Speaker 1: want to know, I want to I want the oral
Speaker 1: his I'm cordial enough. As he said, we get along.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text. I'm gonna text Mike about it. You know,
Speaker 1: see what happened right away. Don't think I didn't notice
Speaker 1: that mark small Ben more like small Ben. Am I right? Well,
Speaker 1: you can go with that variation. He's been um. Certain
Speaker 1: Browns fans would like to call him Big Jan at times.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's in vogue at the moment. But
Speaker 1: um that had some run for a bit. Finally in
Speaker 1: the news. Look, it's finally happening, and I I'm actually
Speaker 1: you would think I'd be excited about this, and I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people on Twitter reached out to
Speaker 1: me about it, but I'm bummed. I'm borderline angry about it. Um.
Speaker 1: There is an app that's being used over over the
Speaker 1: Pond for top level soccer teams where the team builders
Speaker 1: are in contact via an app. It's a site that
Speaker 1: let's clubs see which players are available and to gather
Speaker 1: information by direct message without the and this is from
Speaker 1: the Guardian, I'll use their language here, without the often
Speaker 1: torturous and expensive process of going through agents and inter mediaries.
Speaker 1: And this all went down last Thursday. Executives from two
Speaker 1: d and fifty clubs across five continents were immersed in
Speaker 1: the world of online speed dating. Every ten minutes, a
Speaker 1: fresh encounter would start. Small talk would be made, and
Speaker 1: understanding would be reached, perhaps even a deal struck. Than
Speaker 1: a button would be pressed and the whole process would
Speaker 1: start again, all the business conducted without an agent in sight.
Speaker 1: Thirteen Premier League clubs were involved in this, including the
Speaker 1: Arsenal Everton, including Arsenal Everton, Brighton, And it's a ten
Speaker 1: minutes slot where all the team builders get in contact
Speaker 1: with each other and they say, Hey, this is who
Speaker 1: we're shopping who, here's who's available, this is what we
Speaker 1: might want from you. And it seems just way more
Speaker 1: effective then the process that goes on here in the
Speaker 1: North American Sports Plantscape. What's holding us back here at
Speaker 1: this point? The point, Uh, I'm disappointed because the I
Speaker 1: P is out there now and I there's no way
Speaker 1: to make money off it, and West and I kinda
Speaker 1: cooked it up as a joint venture, but I would
Speaker 1: have eventually taken West of court to try to take
Speaker 1: all the money. Um, all that now is out the door.
Speaker 1: And uh, it goes back to I remember I was
Speaker 1: at Hurst Castle with my wife, um before we got married.
Speaker 1: Hearst Castle is a beautiful estate up the coast here
Speaker 1: in central California, and we're looking at all the beautiful
Speaker 1: flowers on the estate. And sure enough, I look at
Speaker 1: one of the flowers. Wouldn't it be cool to find
Speaker 1: out if there was a way to take a photo
Speaker 1: of the flower on an app And then uploaded and
Speaker 1: know what the flower was and I even had an
Speaker 1: idea for it. It was called flower Power, an app.
Speaker 1: Everyone laughed at me, and now sure enough, there's a
Speaker 1: huge app out there that does exactly that. This is
Speaker 1: happening to me again, chance to be a multimillionaire being
Speaker 1: just washed away flower. Well, but I you know, I am,
Speaker 1: I am reminded of uh and I hope I'm not
Speaker 1: misquoting it. But you know, to paraphrase, you know, the
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg character from the social network, like if you
Speaker 1: would have invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when the winkle box is,
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, if you if you wanted to do
Speaker 1: it like then it would have happened. You would have
Speaker 1: invented it. Now I invented it. Well, Dan, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a few more points for the flower wrapp that
Speaker 1: that circulated in the mind there. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: a nice thing that you came up with. If I
Speaker 1: had a friend and I we came up with something
Speaker 1: called doubles where instead of this ridiculous this is a
Speaker 1: long time ago, be pre any dating apps, but instead
Speaker 1: of um, like some guy trying to find some girl online.
Speaker 1: Like two guys that are friends go on a like
Speaker 1: a date with two girls that are friends, and you
Speaker 1: just see what happens. Doubles, well, they that would have
Speaker 1: been that they had a lot of money. They have
Speaker 1: like reddit boards for you know, people like that. Well
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking. Came up with the idea in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and three, So not what's not on
Speaker 1: a Reddit board. But I just mean, like, you know, couples,
Speaker 1: you know, well I know what you mean, But this
Speaker 1: was a more you know, it's a it would have
Speaker 1: been a a g rated first time to hang out
Speaker 1: and then you just see what happens from there. This
Speaker 1: is it makes sense. I would love to see like
Speaker 1: a an entire like that backhouse you have at your house,
Speaker 1: Mark that we talked about all the time, just filled
Speaker 1: with notebooks on the this idea and all ideas pertaining
Speaker 1: to couples getting together in privacy. Seems like it can
Speaker 1: be for some friendships to really be tested. You know,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. I mean you could do this
Speaker 1: castle maybe, yeah. I mean this can't be the first.
Speaker 1: This is not the first Mark Sessler idea that's popped
Speaker 1: to his mind about couples disappearing into the darkness. You're right,
Speaker 1: there's got to be notebooks after note except but they're
Speaker 1: not holding. They're not You put your research in. You
Speaker 1: really need to know, all right, goodbye anyway, the gm APP.
Speaker 1: I know now it's not I p for me and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make money off it. But it just
Speaker 1: makes sense. They're doing it over there in the the
Speaker 1: other version of football. So bring it over here and
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see You're not gonna have heartbroken fan
Speaker 1: bases like in Houston. Uh, wondering how we got David
Speaker 1: Johnson and the second round pick for one of the
Speaker 1: best wide receivers in the world. Let's do this right
Speaker 1: and eliminate the middleman with the g m app. That's
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. At the facility has felt
Speaker 1: like every other play was a pass from Carl Waller.
Speaker 1: He loves this new target. He has hands off here
Speaker 1: to jacobs s side of a tackle. Hand look, He's
Speaker 1: take it off, trip, but will just going to score
Speaker 1: free cars in his last eight passes, it comes out
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Is the rookie Foster broad up next
Speaker 1: in the Wheel of team series. The lust Vegas Raiders
Speaker 1: coming off of a playoff three season, seven and nine,
Speaker 1: third place in the a f C West. Head coach
Speaker 1: John Gruden, entering his third year and joining us. Like
Speaker 1: we said, by popular demand, he writes for The Athletic
Speaker 1: and he's covered this team for a long time. Victor
Speaker 1: far Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Doing good, guys,
Speaker 1: How are you guys? Doing good? Good? Good? We're doing well, mac,
Speaker 1: So let me just let's start here. So the narrative
Speaker 1: around the Raiders right now is that the Gruden Mayak team,
Speaker 1: they see that they have this superpower Chiefs in their division,
Speaker 1: and they know they're gonna have to try to keep
Speaker 1: up and score points. Their draft is focused on some
Speaker 1: level toward that goal of getting this offense more explosive.
Speaker 1: My question to you to get it started, do you
Speaker 1: actually think I know the Raiders think they have, but
Speaker 1: do you think they have narrowed the gap here between
Speaker 1: the top of this division and they are a team
Speaker 1: that's better and has a real chance of hanging around
Speaker 1: in the a f C West. I could definitely improve
Speaker 1: the mean I was. The Chiefs are a very high
Speaker 1: bar and the Chiefs are the best team in the
Speaker 1: league probably getting better. So I think it's a tough
Speaker 1: one to just stay with him on you on the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: But I think Rugs ideally is a guy that can
Speaker 1: help spread the field open things up for other guys
Speaker 1: like durn Waller. Josh Jacobs is a big rookie year
Speaker 1: last year, so there's definitely some pieces there. Their offense
Speaker 1: can't take the next step next year, Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: look at the receiver group and I think about how
Speaker 1: they traded for z Jones last year because they didn't
Speaker 1: have anyone and he just like immediately started playing starter snaps.
Speaker 1: And then you look at the receiver group this year
Speaker 1: with Tyrelle Williams and you know, Renfro and Rugs and
Speaker 1: pretty good and day Jones might not even make the team.
Speaker 1: So did the personnel has been upgraded? I'm curious, just
Speaker 1: from having watched Groudin so closely and you're familiar with
Speaker 1: this time, you know before in Oakland, how do you
Speaker 1: think he's been in terms of like upgrading how he
Speaker 1: likes to run offense for the nineteen because when when
Speaker 1: they were good last year, it's still kind of looked
Speaker 1: like the old Grooten tons of short passes, controlling the ball.
Speaker 1: It's a little it was a little more old school,
Speaker 1: like how is he had messed with this new NFL.
Speaker 1: It's a good question because a lot of times from
Speaker 1: the knocker on Derek carrs the's Mr check down alway
Speaker 1: checks the ball down, dumps off the short passes. But
Speaker 1: that's what what John wants, and really that's part of
Speaker 1: that's a big part of his offense. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: taking chances down the field. So a lot of times
Speaker 1: Derek's doing what he's told to do in an offense.
Speaker 1: So I think obviously last year was was hard because
Speaker 1: I think John was going to evolve all but I
Speaker 1: think you definitely planned to have most of his offense
Speaker 1: kind of stating around Tonio Brown. He had the whole
Speaker 1: pretty much. She was gonna set every record I think
Speaker 1: last year in the book as far as receptionating yards
Speaker 1: when he was get the ball that often. So I think, uh,
Speaker 1: having met thing, I'll fall apart. So closer to the season,
Speaker 1: it was hard to overcome for them. I think they
Speaker 1: definitely a nice job. They use three tight ends a
Speaker 1: lot kind of trying to use they had, but three
Speaker 1: tight ends teams are gonna catch on pretty quick. I
Speaker 1: think I really uh help you get out points in
Speaker 1: the long haul. So I think, um, you know, Tyrol
Speaker 1: Williams got hurt last year at two bad feet, So
Speaker 1: I think last year I did give John Derek a
Speaker 1: little bit of excuse because I think that's valid. I
Speaker 1: think they lost two big pieces that receive where they're
Speaker 1: counting on last year. Yeah. I look at Mike Mayock
Speaker 1: also in terms of the overall process of team building
Speaker 1: that he's pretty quickly added uh depth in a lot
Speaker 1: of different areas to a team that definitely needed a
Speaker 1: lot of depth. I mean their roster a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago was a horror show. Um. I look at
Speaker 1: someone like Lynn Bowden and I know there was the
Speaker 1: issue with him this morning that maybe is not an issue, um,
Speaker 1: but a fascinating player at Kentucky. And I know they've
Speaker 1: got a pretty stacked um backfield. But could you to
Speaker 1: Greg's question and groot and you know, growing and becoming
Speaker 1: maybe more you know, innovative. How do you think win
Speaker 1: bout it? And maybe not right away, but as a
Speaker 1: rookie and down the road will be used by this
Speaker 1: team because it's almost like a question of how do
Speaker 1: you designate him as a player. Well, I think this
Speaker 1: year the plan is kind of using the running back primarily,
Speaker 1: kind of easing them in a little bit, just kind
Speaker 1: of get some receptions, kind of maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: wild cat packages. But I think they're gonna bring him
Speaker 1: along slowly eventually. I think the long term goal is
Speaker 1: he can play the slot, he can move around, might
Speaker 1: return kicks also this year, So I think it will
Speaker 1: be a good test for John and and Greg Olson
Speaker 1: the OC just how they get him involved, come exploit
Speaker 1: what he can do. He's definitely a big, you know,
Speaker 1: making miss kind of guy, so I was aware. You know,
Speaker 1: his stats in the SEC last year are pretty incredible
Speaker 1: for a pretty bad Kentucky team. I threw amout a
Speaker 1: quarterback and he kind of still put up huge numbers
Speaker 1: last year. So I think he really is a rare talent.
Speaker 1: I think if you had a Pro Day this year
Speaker 1: he was all hurt, he might have gonna hire in
Speaker 1: the draft. So I think it was a good, good value.
Speaker 1: I think he definitely is one of those guys who
Speaker 1: can definitely make plays with all over the field. What
Speaker 1: are you expecting from Cleveland Farrell this year he went
Speaker 1: fourth overall. It was Mayo's you know, first big draft
Speaker 1: pick and didn't see much in way a production. Max
Speaker 1: Crosby who was a later pick um he had ten
Speaker 1: sacks and he flashed and looks like a guy who
Speaker 1: could be a long term answer for them. Do you
Speaker 1: think that Farrell did he to to you? Did he
Speaker 1: come up a guy that was developing? It just I'll
Speaker 1: be it a little bit slower or a potential question
Speaker 1: mark whether this was the right guy to bring into
Speaker 1: the building. I think maybe both. I think with him,
Speaker 1: you look at last year and where it wasn't a
Speaker 1: draft maybe a little high, but he's not really that
Speaker 1: quick twitch kind of guy who wanted an edge pass rusher.
Speaker 1: He's more of a bigger kind of physical guy. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: he's worked hard this Officeason. I did a story on
Speaker 1: recently where he spent eighteen weeks in Florida. In Miami.
Speaker 1: He's put on twelve pounds. He's two seventy five now.
Speaker 1: So I think the plan is having him as a
Speaker 1: studio end. You can move inside maybe on on third downs,
Speaker 1: but he's definitely a hard worker. Definitely everyone stairs, you
Speaker 1: know the character fingers through the roof. It's why they
Speaker 1: fell over him last year. They kind of the last
Speaker 1: year was a kind of ideally trade back again later
Speaker 1: in the first round, and then when I couldn't trade back,
Speaker 1: they're kind of stuck. They're like, well, now what we
Speaker 1: do We mean, we love this guy before may not
Speaker 1: be the best value for him, but we do love him.
Speaker 1: We love you. So they went and took him there.
Speaker 1: So I think, um, was he overdrafted and possibly, but
Speaker 1: I think there's still a lot of work to work
Speaker 1: with the definitely is a lot more to uh. To
Speaker 1: Cleeve Furlan, we saw last year that happens all the time,
Speaker 1: right that where teams they fall in love with the guy,
Speaker 1: they can't move out, but they still It put you
Speaker 1: in that spot and then you get killed for overdrafting
Speaker 1: the guy. But ultimately, if he's a guy you like,
Speaker 1: you grab him. Yeah, if it works out. If the
Speaker 1: guy that comes a great player, no one cares you
Speaker 1: reached for him. And he had a bigger last year,
Speaker 1: nobody would care about that. He went to higher than
Speaker 1: they thought. It's good for him. He mentioned Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: They're good friends and Max obviously overachieved there definitely was
Speaker 1: the better than people thought it was a draft time,
Speaker 1: so they kind of bounced their out where Max kind
Speaker 1: of was a player they thought that clean might be.
Speaker 1: And so I think they definitely helped clear lot as
Speaker 1: far as didn't get totally killed in the media in
Speaker 1: terms of is not so productive rookie year. I think
Speaker 1: Max definitely help him out as far as taking some
Speaker 1: of the shining away and not putting so much of
Speaker 1: the light on the kles, you know, not totally productive
Speaker 1: of a rookie season. Well. And yeah, and Crosby took
Speaker 1: the heat off of mayok too, because like the Trayvon
Speaker 1: Mullin and Josh Jacobs and renfros So it's like Cleveland
Speaker 1: Farrell might not have been one of the best four
Speaker 1: rookies on on his own team. I'm curious. I want
Speaker 1: to switch gears a little bit and just like ask
Speaker 1: you a little bit what it's like covering this team,
Speaker 1: especially how it's how they're moving to Vegas. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just a team with a lot of drama from the
Speaker 1: top on down, you know, from ownership to coaches. Over
Speaker 1: the years. I guess you know, I've seen you've had
Speaker 1: some drama on Twitter. Over the years, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not afraid to get a little back and forth like
Speaker 1: what I've grown up, that's not That's not me anymore.
Speaker 1: Have the Raiders mature that I guess like as they're
Speaker 1: moving to Vegas, like, is this still kind of like
Speaker 1: a crazy team out of left field or what's going on?
Speaker 1: They're always gonna be crazy, I think going back to
Speaker 1: al Davis and they now Mark and I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned Gruden's definitely just very an emotional person that kind
Speaker 1: of does what you think at the moment. I think
Speaker 1: you look at him and look at the clear Max Radees.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that there's not a history of,
Speaker 1: really a lot of planning and rational thoughts. Kind of
Speaker 1: they really act. They always have kind of you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of shot first and then ask questions later.
Speaker 1: So I think, um, I think it always will be crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Vegas will escalate another notch. I think just
Speaker 1: the whole atmosphere there, and I'm dying to know what
Speaker 1: the plan is as far as security and like players,
Speaker 1: they can have like a molding patrol of security guys.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that will go to the one
Speaker 1: that night and the high always Room and Caesar's Palace.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a million bucks. So I just think
Speaker 1: there's women are gonna be targeted. I just think this
Speaker 1: is a whole different People said it's gambling and wembling
Speaker 1: all over the country, but it's not like Vegas. You
Speaker 1: can't get in trouble at four am on a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: That's the plant. And I'll believe you there next month.
Speaker 1: I think the pandemic kind of definitely changed some things
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I'll be there and I'll starting
Speaker 1: next month, and so, uh yeah, it's gonna be uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be crazy, obviously, how are you going to
Speaker 1: stay out of the high rollers room. I've I've been
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I lived there when I was a young man,
Speaker 1: so I've learned. But now I'm a wise, wise veteran.
Speaker 1: I know what to uh to watch myself. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. I mean, I definitely I think that
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the incognito who definitely had his um
Speaker 1: his share of trouble. He said if he was going
Speaker 1: to Vegas at at twenty five, it would be a
Speaker 1: big problem. But now he says he he's learned and
Speaker 1: he'll be helping teammates kind of like took the calmer
Speaker 1: road and Richie is the voice of reason. You got
Speaker 1: you gotta love that. But just sign older players basically
Speaker 1: year old. The average age of the team is probably
Speaker 1: exactly so maybe a problem. Yeah. I think the last
Speaker 1: few years in the draft, definitely may I and Grooden
Speaker 1: questioning may I have to talk to these guys, and
Speaker 1: they're drafting guys who they thought ahead, like can this
Speaker 1: guy handle it in Vegas? Chris guy handle all the temptations?
Speaker 1: And so they definitely maybe that's one reason they've gone
Speaker 1: towards the bigger programs, most your picture guys from the
Speaker 1: bigger Clemson they have a huge you know, pipeline and
Speaker 1: Clemson now, so they've tried to to really pick ahead
Speaker 1: and draft guys who they think will be able to
Speaker 1: handle the whole Las Vegas atmosphere. I would say this
Speaker 1: to the league. Gave them four primetime games in Vegas.
Speaker 1: It's pretty rare for that to happen to any team,
Speaker 1: So the expectations are there. Some of those games happen early,
Speaker 1: and I kind of with teams like this because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the consensus seems to be that the Raiders
Speaker 1: are at least an eight and eight team, if not
Speaker 1: a playoff team, potentially with the seventh wild card our
Speaker 1: seventh playoff team added. I wonder who the scapegoat would
Speaker 1: be Um if things went wrong, because it's not grooting.
Speaker 1: He's under contract till the end of days. Um Mayok
Speaker 1: has done a good job. I look at someone like
Speaker 1: Paul Gunther, and they brought in Rod Marinelli, which is
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to bring in on defense, and if
Speaker 1: the defense, which is I think where some of the
Speaker 1: question marks lie Um Crumble's early could you see him
Speaker 1: being shotguns out of town, out of town mid season.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. When we were talking about that
Speaker 1: list of possible scape growth and who wouldn't be the
Speaker 1: guy I thought you could, said Derek Card to me.
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is the guy on the line this year.
Speaker 1: He was presumed at this point. It's probably obvious, but
Speaker 1: I think guns are definitely has to have better results
Speaker 1: this year. They've drafted more players, they signed two linebackers.
Speaker 1: I've been here ten years covering the team and they've
Speaker 1: had some bad linebackers. They haven't know that they're really
Speaker 1: addressed like they have this offseason. They got the Creer,
Speaker 1: Cosby and Littleton, two UH guys who are athletic and
Speaker 1: make some plays all over the field. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of a kind of exciting for Rader fans if you
Speaker 1: see some quality linebacker play out of this team play.
Speaker 1: It's a big step for for Gunther. And I mentioned
Speaker 1: you mentioned the draft class they got on that in
Speaker 1: the first rounds. I hope he can be an impact corner.
Speaker 1: So talent is definitely there for improvement. And if there's
Speaker 1: not improvement, and yet particulation about Paul Gunter's future is
Speaker 1: definitely fair. If they were two and four and Carr
Speaker 1: was playing not great, do you think we see Marcus Mariota? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to play this game, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: just what are your thoughts on how they Mario? You
Speaker 1: don't play games, Greg. They gave him some point five
Speaker 1: million dollars to markets for a reason, so they didn't
Speaker 1: bring up until I carry clipboard and and smile and
Speaker 1: do Hawaiian you know commercials from UH. So I just think, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Derek I was there's some pressure there. I
Speaker 1: think they've added the tools you mentioned on the draft
Speaker 1: class and the guys who signed. So I think that
Speaker 1: Biobecue is interesting, which you know you mentioned with them
Speaker 1: a flow start. I think there could be possible uh change.
Speaker 1: So I think therefore there's a there's an urgency for
Speaker 1: the offense and for Derek Carr. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think about now that you kind of put it
Speaker 1: in my head. You're moving to a new market. You
Speaker 1: feel like you're going to gain fans in the desert.
Speaker 1: You feel like you're gonna get some fans from California.
Speaker 1: But if you get lock down that the Pacific Islander
Speaker 1: uh fan base. I know they've actually been to Hawaii
Speaker 1: for my honeymoon. I remember talking people Seahawks are very
Speaker 1: popular in Hawaii. If you could steal away that that
Speaker 1: that fan base. Nice job. Maybe there's more to this
Speaker 1: with Mariotta. There's a huge Hawaiian population in Vegas. That
Speaker 1: just a story that when he assigned them. Apparently all
Speaker 1: the people who work in your hotels in those places
Speaker 1: in Hawaii is expensive to stay from the Vegas and
Speaker 1: they working customer service, you know, a hotel service in
Speaker 1: Vegas can live a lot cheaper lifestyle. So definitely is
Speaker 1: a huge Hawaireian population in Las Vegas. All right, is
Speaker 1: this Mayock grooded thing working? Yes or no? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean I think um, I mean Tony Brown definitely tested it.
Speaker 1: I mean definitely. There were some problems last year with
Speaker 1: the whole all that stuff. I was that was a
Speaker 1: crazy month. But right another good I think they're definitely there.
Speaker 1: They've worked well together in draft. You know, Mic does
Speaker 1: all the homework, uh and kind of makes it recommendations
Speaker 1: John his final say. But for the most part, I
Speaker 1: think it's gone pretty smoothly. I think besides that one
Speaker 1: major hiccup uh last last year, is that the craziest
Speaker 1: thing in your beat years covering the Raiders, the whole
Speaker 1: Brown drama. It's funny a lot, but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it is. I think getting up every day for a
Speaker 1: month of six in the morning in my teck on
Speaker 1: my Instagram seeing what the guy didn't you know today?
Speaker 1: And what are some other fun highlights over the years
Speaker 1: at covering the Raiders? I should make a list? And
Speaker 1: there was altab acclaim that was a fun experience that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hugh Jackson was always full of surprises. I
Speaker 1: mean Tom Cable had incidents in the past. I mean
Speaker 1: we yeah, Cables that that's up there. I mean that's
Speaker 1: the press conference were you know albeb was hired through Jackson.
Speaker 1: It kind of just had a slideshow, you know, of
Speaker 1: a lot of tomp Cables transgressions and that was that
Speaker 1: was something. I mean, there's so much stuff. I can't
Speaker 1: even thanks to Alan, it was just so many I mean,
Speaker 1: just the whole people should find that press conference on YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most amazing um things I've ever
Speaker 1: seen watching covering the NFL. You know, it's you can't
Speaker 1: really put words to it unless you watch it. No,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and watching it, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe what I'm watching. I look over a rough
Speaker 1: Jackson's family, you know, like this is not what we
Speaker 1: thought this was. We thought this was You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be Hugh Jackson show. And they had to sit through
Speaker 1: an hour of it was like forty five minutes of
Speaker 1: just going through Tom Cable's transgressions. Little did you know
Speaker 1: how much better that head coaching stint would be done
Speaker 1: the next one? Yeah, it was. They had a lot
Speaker 1: of coaches over the years, so there's been so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tarrell Prior had to mention it was just
Speaker 1: so much stuff I've I've covered so I think, but
Speaker 1: definitely tell you Brown, just the yeah, the expectations coming
Speaker 1: in um and the way of the weirdness of the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then what really made it just the
Speaker 1: ultimate was that when you five times you practiced the
Speaker 1: five times I watched him practice, the guy is incredible. Man.
Speaker 1: I get why people why you sign them, because you're
Speaker 1: watching in practice and he just dominates. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win ten games this year. I mean they can't.
Speaker 1: You can't cover that guy. He's still that's it's amazing
Speaker 1: how much he's tortures career where you can't get a job.
Speaker 1: But he's definitely still a top five receiver in the NFL,
Speaker 1: which is kind of it's really sad, But when you
Speaker 1: watching in practice, you get that's why John is doing
Speaker 1: That's why John is willing to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: take these risks and mix it up because he's going
Speaker 1: a catcher hundering ten pa since this year if he plays.
Speaker 1: So it was just it was just a weird Uh.
Speaker 1: Remember ending saga for about a month and a half there.
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about Rolando McClean in a long time.
Speaker 1: But Mark and I started at NFL dot com right
Speaker 1: around the time of that bizarre arrest in Alabama where
Speaker 1: there was the photo of him going into the cop
Speaker 1: car with a giant smile. You remember that, Mark, and
Speaker 1: I remember there was a question about whether to use
Speaker 1: that photo as the spotlight image for the article, and
Speaker 1: I believe the decision was to not use it. But
Speaker 1: uh wow, Raiders history sometimes sorted his last few weeks
Speaker 1: on the team we're spending as a practice squad fullback.
Speaker 1: I wasna uh so, well, alright, Vic, Um, we really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on and giving us more perspective on
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and you can follow VIC at VIC to
Speaker 1: fir V I c t A f you r uh
Speaker 1: and the Athletic, which covers the NFL just as about
Speaker 1: as good as any site out there, so it's well
Speaker 1: worth the description. Vic, Thank you and good luck in
Speaker 1: your move to Vegas. Thanks there he goes the great
Speaker 1: Victor for um Greg your ongoing series where you I
Speaker 1: name it incorrectly, I called Roster Recet, but it's actually
Speaker 1: projected starters series a series. I mean, this's the series
Speaker 1: ended like a month ago. By the way it was,
Speaker 1: it lasted two weeks. I think it ended him. But
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this exercise where you study each team,
Speaker 1: is there anything when you um, I'm sure, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to give you a pop, Greg, is there anything from
Speaker 1: your work you did on that that didn't come up
Speaker 1: just now that you'd like to share Looking at this roster, well,
Speaker 1: it was I even mentioned it on the show that
Speaker 1: it's I think, no, I appreciate it and it's it
Speaker 1: is evergreen throughout the off season. I believe it's the
Speaker 1: team I think I liked more after doing this exercise
Speaker 1: than any other team. I have questioned about Derek Carr
Speaker 1: and we talked about are a lot on the last show,
Speaker 1: but a headlock for asking that question. They that would
Speaker 1: I would not win that one. I've seen Vic. I
Speaker 1: don't really know him, but he's a large man. He
Speaker 1: looks like he he has played before. They have a
Speaker 1: great offensive line. I love the linebackers who he mentioned um.
Speaker 1: The defensive line is maybe shaky, but it's deeper. I
Speaker 1: think Mayock has done a great job. I mean the
Speaker 1: rookies were great, that the receiver depth is great. They've
Speaker 1: got like three different running backs they can use in
Speaker 1: different ways. They have, they're deep at tight end. You know,
Speaker 1: Moreau is a good rookie tight end last year. Two.
Speaker 1: It's I kind of you know, I think, And I
Speaker 1: think Gruden coached pretty well with what he had last year.
Speaker 1: So I think the defense just needs to be average
Speaker 1: and um, I don't think it's crazy for Raiders fans
Speaker 1: to have playoff expectations. Usually I think they're there their
Speaker 1: hopes are too high, But this year, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think they should think that this can be a
Speaker 1: nine or ten win team might not work out, but
Speaker 1: I think I think they have the tools to do it.
Speaker 1: I'll set the over under you're feeling optimistic, I'll set
Speaker 1: the over under it nine and a half. If you
Speaker 1: gave me eight and a half, I was gonna go
Speaker 1: for it, then I'm going under. Okay, Mark, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think nine and seven UM should be expected. Well, but
Speaker 1: that's seven and a half. They're at seven and a
Speaker 1: half or eight, I think nationally. So I I do
Speaker 1: like my number was not based on that. It was
Speaker 1: based on their glowing report from the projected starter series
Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com. Well, I understand that you know
Speaker 1: what do I You know that there's you know different
Speaker 1: ways to value things. Ultimately, I'm I'm saying I think
Speaker 1: they might be in my top seven playoff teams when
Speaker 1: I make the predictions, I think they might get that
Speaker 1: seven spot. And I think it's interesting Mark you said
Speaker 1: that they're kind of expected to go nine and seven.
Speaker 1: It's been a while since they were in that territory
Speaker 1: even well. I mean, you know last year they collapsed
Speaker 1: at the end of a couple of games they should
Speaker 1: have had. I could point to the game I was
Speaker 1: at against the Jaguars. He had no business losing that game.
Speaker 1: And so I think as the talent level increases, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Gruden. And you you paid
Speaker 1: Gruden money to be a top five coach. I see
Speaker 1: no evidence of that right now, but he's been that
Speaker 1: in the past. So I think it was a good
Speaker 1: question by Greg to ask about Gruden adapting um and
Speaker 1: really being everything you could ask of a head coach.
Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job last year, and
Speaker 1: I'd have no I would not be surprised at all
Speaker 1: to see them And we can kill Derek Carr and
Speaker 1: he's not to me, He's not the guy I would
Speaker 1: want to start a team with. But if you put
Speaker 1: a good roster around Derek Carr. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with Derek Carr helping them to nine maybe ten wins.
Speaker 1: Let's see. I think he's a Gruden's doing a great job.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that if we're talking, because I'm
Speaker 1: with the same boat as you guys. I see them
Speaker 1: as a team that's gonna hang around to the playoff picture.
Speaker 1: They're not at the level of the Cheese, but this
Speaker 1: could definitely be a team that wins nine maybe ten
Speaker 1: games if things go go right. And if you told
Speaker 1: me that's where they'd be in year three after total
Speaker 1: roster tear down Brown mina Antonio Brown. But you get
Speaker 1: ding for bringing him in the first place too. But
Speaker 1: like Gruden's ability to be presiding over this, I think
Speaker 1: there were a lot of questions when he got hired,
Speaker 1: remembered on the show, whether he was out of the
Speaker 1: game too long, just to assume to give him that
Speaker 1: many years and that much money was a boondoggle potentially.
Speaker 1: I think it's everything's going great with the Raiders. This
Speaker 1: is obviously a key year, uh in terms of progress checking.
Speaker 1: But Mark, give me uh one more. I'll throw one
Speaker 1: more thing out there. Marcus Mariotta. Does he make any
Speaker 1: starts this year and not tied to injuries to Derek Carr, Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's very possible. When you again to point
Speaker 1: to the money they paid him in does he make
Speaker 1: them yes or no? Yes, I think he I think
Speaker 1: he'll make I think he could make two mm. So
Speaker 1: Derek Carr gets benched, you're saying, I think that could
Speaker 1: happen at the end of the year too, and they
Speaker 1: would have. I think that he's Dick made a great
Speaker 1: point of how much they paid Mariota and he is
Speaker 1: the highest paid backup in the league by I think,
Speaker 1: you know, a decent amount, but he agent. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it shows they wanted him and he had a market,
Speaker 1: you know, other teams kind of wanted him to it
Speaker 1: as a potential back when I think he's in that
Speaker 1: spot where if you fall two games under five at
Speaker 1: that point you're in worried zone. If they play like
Speaker 1: we said and they start out quickly and they were
Speaker 1: above five whole season, then they don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about it and all that. All that talk about Cable
Speaker 1: not by the way to to get off track, I
Speaker 1: forgot Tom Cable's back there and you know, after after
Speaker 1: you know the allegations of what he did that last
Speaker 1: time he was with the Raiders, and you know what,
Speaker 1: he's been a punching bag, no pun intended by me
Speaker 1: over the years. Their offensive line did great last year. Uh.
Speaker 1: And actually I think it looks really good on paper.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the strength. Hey, And speaking of a
Speaker 1: problematic spinning away now from the Raiders. Good talk, guys,
Speaker 1: and we'll do another team uh next week, since we're
Speaker 1: talking about the Raiders and problematic wide receivers like Antonio
Speaker 1: Brown and the move to Vegas. Chad Johnson, this was
Speaker 1: This was actually put on my um radar by one
Speaker 1: of our listeners, Lolanis and Pajamas. Nice shot by you,
Speaker 1: buddy with a thought provoking handle as well. But U
Speaker 1: Chad Johnson, the former OCHO Cinco on Twitter. Uh, he
Speaker 1: threw out some props. He laid down some future bets
Speaker 1: on the NFL. Just before we say good, I just
Speaker 1: want to see where you guys come down. Osenko going
Speaker 1: to since we're in the realm of Vegas, we're in
Speaker 1: the desert right now, how's single gonna do. I'll go
Speaker 1: back and forth between you guys twenty. Actually, Ricky, get
Speaker 1: in here. I want you in on this too. From
Speaker 1: the palatial Godfather Estate Don Corleone's manner. Actually in a
Speaker 1: state it has, it has boats in tennis courts. Give
Speaker 1: me a break. That's a very bad come on. Makes
Speaker 1: it look like I haven't worked, my hard worker. No
Speaker 1: one's ever, no one's ever give that connotation when you
Speaker 1: some people who grow up, it's what it's what you
Speaker 1: do with the what you got. You know, some people
Speaker 1: do it and they sit on their hands. Some people
Speaker 1: they work hard. You're working hard. Gregg is going to
Speaker 1: man explain the earth to you while we're are. So
Speaker 1: just step back and sit back and listen. Try to
Speaker 1: backtrack here. All right there, here's here are some props, Ricky.
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. Erica Tampossey twenty k put down
Speaker 1: on the Broncos under seven and a half winds. Whoa, oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: that's just the start. That's crazy. You're taking the under
Speaker 1: of the over seven and a half wins. I'm taking
Speaker 1: under a right, yeah, but that's crazy. That's mark. That's
Speaker 1: that's a tennis court, maten. It's money, um Mark K
Speaker 1: on the Packers over nine wins I gotta win ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd take it over large. Greg. Here's his biggest beck,
Speaker 1: Greg forty forty one K on the Jaguars under five victories. Oh,
Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate that. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: just not that hard to win six games. And I
Speaker 1: think people are a little too down on the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: There's some teams out there that are worse under five wins,
Speaker 1: so they could they have to win four or less?
Speaker 1: Pardner minshew, Yeah, I hate that one alright. Eleven k
Speaker 1: Ricky on the Steelers over nine wins. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they could do that this year. You don't, Mark, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't have that money, but I wouldn't make that
Speaker 1: bet myself. I don't like it. What's the last time?
Speaker 1: And I know big Ben has been out of the
Speaker 1: league and and come off a serious injury, but would
Speaker 1: be curious to let time the Steelers won less than
Speaker 1: ten games when he was the quarterback. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was the quarterback. But do you miss they missed the player? Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 1: Mark ten k on the Colts winning the a f
Speaker 1: C South No way, just wild wagers. Well, you gotta
Speaker 1: give you the odds though, what is it plus one?
Speaker 1: For who it's ten K ten k on the Colts
Speaker 1: winning the ANFC South. I need that money now. I
Speaker 1: don't want to wait till January to find out if
Speaker 1: I want that. You gotta pretend your chat at Jessinka.
Speaker 1: You're one of the I don't like the great route
Speaker 1: runners in NFL history, crazy division. Kind of forget him
Speaker 1: as a player, but what a what a fun player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's has his own checker pass, but a great
Speaker 1: career that I like that. I like that. Okay, K
Speaker 1: on Cowboys winning the NFC East plus one ten I'm
Speaker 1: not trusting the Cowboys. I get it because it's basically
Speaker 1: a two team race. Um, it's not crazy. It's not
Speaker 1: a bad uh, it's not a bad guest. But I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't like it. And finally, twenty five K
Speaker 1: on the Saints winning the NFC South. I like that's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, I take that. It's just a big
Speaker 1: old parlay of a ton of different things. Why not
Speaker 1: I thried that one seems better than some of the
Speaker 1: other much where sides, I'm sure, I'm sure? Yeah? Plus
Speaker 1: one hundred h me add this up? How much money
Speaker 1: he laid down at the Bellaggio, here's anything like, hey,
Speaker 1: not everthing. It's fifty fifty plus tens to next day
Speaker 1: sixth plus eleven seven one. So oh, this is tough.
Speaker 1: Seventy one plus forty one to fifty that's one one
Speaker 1: eleven to fifty one eleven to fifty plus five. K
Speaker 1: Now it's getting really tough. Uh eleven one eleven one
Speaker 1: d and eleven thousand dollars and two hundred two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty plus twenty five is one thirty six and then
Speaker 1: plus one five one hundred and fifty six thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and two hundred one fifty six thousand two. Chris Long
Speaker 1: podcast starting to sound better by the minute. Can't tap that,
Speaker 1: can't tap that? I had one, but that was too good?
Speaker 1: A right? Let me, uh do the math. Anybody want
Speaker 1: to close the show while I do the math on this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check my work here alright, Um, what today
Speaker 1: you know for for Dan Kansas, Mark Sessler, Eric at
Speaker 1: tampost Vick to four Eric and tam posts Gardner, you know,
Speaker 1: mowing the tennis car. We'll see you Friday. Hang on,
Speaker 1: I'm almost done. I'm almost done. Eleven plus ten plus
Speaker 1: fifty plus on oh I missed if I one thousands,
Speaker 1: one seven thousand, two hundred and seven Ferve Thouars ouch