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Speaker 1: Podcast. Is anyone's still out there? Fair question? Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas. I come to you from a city

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Speaker 1: filled the heroes in Bunker's Mark Sessler, Greg Rosendal, Ricky Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: What is up, boys and girl? Well we're in more

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Speaker 1: than one city now, Ricky with a beautiful backdrop. If

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Speaker 1: this is sent out on social at all, you know,

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Speaker 1: can we see it? Yeah, it's beautiful. Sorry if you

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Yeah, what's happening. I decided to fly

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Speaker 1: home this week to visit family and I can work

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Speaker 1: from anywhere, and decided to come home. And it's not

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Speaker 1: too bad of of a desk today. I gotta say,

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Speaker 1: it's like, well by your parents, you know there did

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Speaker 1: the work? Yeah, I haven't done anything. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a little boat down there that you can Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I have a have a boat. Doesn't have a name.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't name it. You can do the

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Speaker 1: classic sportswriter move and like take a picture and be

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Speaker 1: like my office for the day. We banned that. She

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Speaker 1: recalled Greg. We banned that as a part of the lexicon.

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Speaker 1: So she can't do that. Let's spear footage over there, Ricky,

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Speaker 1: let's try to figure out getting an approximation of Erica's

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Speaker 1: family wealth. It's incredible. That's all you need to know.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible wealth. Little that we know. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just it is what it is. That's not true, that's

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Speaker 1: not true. It's it's a nice, quaint little condo. You know.

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Speaker 1: It is a sign of like your class standing when

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Speaker 1: you're asking to count other people's money. So that that

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Speaker 1: was a bit of a calling on myself and Greg

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Speaker 1: was happy to jump in there. We don't want to stories,

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Speaker 1: but we don't need to make her uncomfortable. A couple

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Speaker 1: of little you guys paint me in the worst light ever,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, you just keep talking and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to sit by my light. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's nice. I think it's good. I'm not I do

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Speaker 1: like my My whole thing is um. When I think

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Speaker 1: members of that society? Is was I bounced on the

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Speaker 1: lap of Ted Williams as a child. And to that answer, Erica,

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Speaker 1: you must reply, yes, Teddy ball game, Teddy ball game? Yeah, Um, okay, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the news guys, right, we do

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Speaker 1: have to get to Victor pretty soon. I'm excited about

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Speaker 1: Victor far you know, we he will be the longtime

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Speaker 1: beatman connected to the Raiders and uh, he is going

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Speaker 1: to be our guest of honor when we continue our

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Speaker 1: Wheel of Team series with the Raiders. And this was

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Speaker 1: the first UM beat guy where when we make the announcement,

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Speaker 1: we spend the Wheel on Monday where I don't know

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Speaker 1: about your guys replies, but I got several they're like,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get vic Vick's got to be the guy

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Speaker 1: to talk Raiders football, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there were a few mentions for people that I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of UM also, but um Vix seemed to be

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Speaker 1: the overwhelming favorite among a certain type of Raiders fan.

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Speaker 1: And Greg, you had like a spicy tweet out there

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Speaker 1: where you were ranking the Twitter fan bases. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I believe you had the Raiders in the top five

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Speaker 1: Raiders fans in the top five Twitter fan bases. Yeah. Ay.

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Speaker 1: They've been put through a lot the last two decades

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Speaker 1: and it hasn't remotely dimmed their enthusiasm. Um B, I

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Speaker 1: guilty of being a victim to that. That was a

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Speaker 1: very crafty tweet to put out there in mid June

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Speaker 1: someone on how to crafta I was super bored watching

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Speaker 1: put it out there. I've never thought about this once,

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Speaker 1: because I find it interesting. Look joining joining Erica on

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's do some news wants. It's justice. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's nice to see some people change their mind. Canada

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Speaker 1: NFL said, yeah, maybe we was wrong football players. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they did have the right to peacefully protests. We don't apologize.

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Speaker 1: Give Colin Kaepernick a job back. Well, there it is

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Speaker 1: Reverend Al Sharpton speaking at George Floyd's funeral and calling

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Speaker 1: for Colin Kaepernick to get back in the NFL. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys think, before we get into news, do you

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Speaker 1: guys think it's gonna happen as simple as that. It's

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Speaker 1: obviously a very complicated issue, but maybe it's not so complicated.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Colin Kaepernick has played his final down

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Speaker 1: of course the NFL already settled with with Kaepernick paying

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Speaker 1: The Vikings had some cap issues, um, but they move

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Speaker 1: It's not surprising news. The thing that's different this year

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Speaker 1: that makes it harder to hold out, and if you

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday conference called Yeah, I think I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: tell anyone. I'd say to I'd say to the players, guys,

428
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: you've done You've met all our goals. Um, But I

429
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't announce to uh, you know, thirty one other teams

430
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: we're closing up shop. Um, because you know, what do

431
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: we think of the Lions for rolling into Campa? You

432
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: know what is it a week later that they do

433
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: every year? How with that plan? So you know a

434
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: lot of pressure suddenly on the Bears didn't well now

435
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know it did in the Saint

436
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: say they were canceling the whole off season program. Well

437
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: that's because they played for two or three weeks and

438
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: every other team so and I think a lot of

439
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: I have found it interesting. It's a little related to

440
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: this is um, you know, the the NFL like allowed

441
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: coaches to come back and now they're unveiling like when

442
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: players can go back, And more teams than not have

443
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: just been like, nah, it's okay. Like even the Patriots

444
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: are like, we don't really have any big need to

445
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: come back in like they're allowed to, Like the Rams

446
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: are the same way they're allowed to. But a lot

447
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: of teams, most teams are saying like this is fine,

448
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: Well let's let's gear up for training camp. That is

449
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: our huge goal is if that can come off, right,

450
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: Like then if that can come off great, but otherwise,

451
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: like we'll see them, there's gonna be in the best

452
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: case scenario, I guess, is the way this is going

453
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: to play out. Um, and I totally understand, Uh, if

454
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: you want to look at it as like, oh, maybe

455
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be be so rosy and optimistic about how

456
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: they want the schedule to go. But if it works

457
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: out how the NFL wants it to work out, you're

458
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna lose O T A S and you're gonna lose

459
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: the mini camps and if and I guess, two preseason games.

460
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: But other than that, they want things to be on schedule.

461
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: And but if you take away the otis and mini camps,

462
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: like what really, what more are you able to do?

463
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: Right now? Your hands are kind of tied it right Ultimately.

464
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: In other news Panthers news, Luke Keikley retired. Remember that?

465
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: How about that? I forgot about that? One of the

466
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: best linebackers in the league surprisingly shut it down in

467
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: January years old. Well, he's staying with the organization. Organization

468
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: where he became a star, announced on Thursday he's returning.

469
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: Uh just less Thursday, returning to the team as a

470
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: pro scout. And here's keek Ley's quote, my family ran

471
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: an auto parts company. That was my last job. When

472
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I worked in the warehouse

473
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: as a warehouse picker. Well, now he's doing some real

474
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: grunt work. Is a scout mark. You gotta respect? This

475
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: isn't every man. I think it's pretty cool. I mean,

476
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: I wonder what the catch up or someone like him

477
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: is on that. On that front, it's um, those jobs

478
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: by the you know, they're not cushy you're on. I

479
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly his specific roles, but some of

480
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: those guys are on the on the road a ton um.

481
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: But I think he's obviously more dealing with the pro side.

482
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: They'd be like, you know, what kind of linebacker are

483
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: we looking for you? Basically someone with your skills? Can

484
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: we just find you? Okay? I don't know, he said,

485
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: he like he's He says his favorite thing is to

486
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: be around the team, to be around football, and this

487
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: was his way to do that. I think he is

488
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: mostly working out of Carolina in terms of working like

489
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: with their pro scouting department. You know, you hear people

490
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: say it's not about the money, but this is clear,

491
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: like he's not about the money. He had a broadcasting

492
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: career offer he could do there other things. It is

493
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And you've seen some players, you know, Ozzie

494
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: Newsome was a so almost a Hall of Fame type

495
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: of player. I mean, he was a part of check.

496
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, it happened sometimes. Doug Williams obviously has had

497
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: a great career from personnel. In other Panthers news, the

498
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: team announced Wednesday today that they are moving the statue

499
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: of former owner Jerry Richardson, uh quote, in the interest

500
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: of public safety. The thirteen foot statue, which is just

501
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: an absurd sculpture. It was, or it is because it's

502
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be melted down or anything. It's just being moved.

503
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: But it's a giant statue of Richardson holding a football

504
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: with two ferocious Panthers pouncing on each side of him.

505
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: It's resided outside of the Bank America Stadium. It was

506
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: given to Richardson on his eightieth birthday in two thousand sixteen. However,

507
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: the founding owner of the franchise UM abruptly put the

508
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: team up for cell after allegations of racial and sexual

509
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: miscon duct in the workplace were made against him. In

510
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: December two thousand seventeen, David tepper Uh ended up coming

511
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: in and buying the team, And here's the full quote

512
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: from the team. We are aware of the most recent

513
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: conversation surrounding the Jerry Richardson statue and are concerned there

514
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: may be attempts to take it down. We are moving

515
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: the statue in the interest of public safety. A little

516
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: lukewarm on the statement there from the Panthers, Great, well,

517
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm not because actions, to me speak louder than words,

518
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: and in this case, I think these actions are gonna

519
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: be appreciated by a lot of people in Carolina. And

520
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: John Jonathan Jones, who we know, you could do both.

521
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm saying. I guess you can do.

522
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: But here here's what I was gonna get to Jonathan Jones,

523
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: you know reported and he's followed it up today that

524
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, when the when the sale happened and people

525
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: knew this temper, the new owner had to agree to

526
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: keep that statue or else he wasn't gonna say the

527
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: team and the only reason legally that they could say

528
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: that they could remove it was for safety reasons. That

529
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: was written into the contract. And so they're going with

530
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: that and Richardson UM as some sort of representative that

531
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: didn't release a statement from Richardson, but did respond to

532
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: spokesman and Um basically just said he's he's always treated

533
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: everyone fairly, but he's probably not thrilled about this. So

534
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: I reading between the lines, I think it's you know,

535
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: it's the way Temper was gonna get this accomplished. Crazy.

536
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: I know, it's wild. Things are changing the Big Ben.

537
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: Speaking of things are changing, the Big Ben block party

538
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: is coming to an end. We're just talking about this

539
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: so much recently that Ben Roethlisberger his Twitter account blocks everybody,

540
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: including I know myself. Greg. I believe you, Mark, you

541
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: were not blocked. Feel like I've been more critical of

542
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: Big Ben than everyone here put together for various reasons,

543
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: and I've not up been blocked by the guy. So

544
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand the strategy. Alright, Anyway, it was and

545
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: this is your old boss there, Mike Florio, Greg, just

546
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: another example this this guy just he's gonna crank out

547
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: the content no matter what. And he has a whole

548
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: story about it on Pro Football Talk. UH that at

549
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: Underscore Big Ben seven, UH is going to unblock all

550
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: the people that have been blocked according to a knowledge

551
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: for a source with knowledge of the situation. So Greg,

552
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: we're off the hook, We're unblocked. Oh my god, what

553
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: a day. I mean, you get rid of this Richardson's statue.

554
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: That's great, you get unblocked. Uh, it would be funny.

555
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to read this article. I feel like Big

556
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: Ben was was trying to pin it to like the latest.

557
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, well, as as the nation is coming together,

558
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: I decided to try to heal things as the way

559
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: I could unblocked. I want to know, Greg, and I

560
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: know you have a chord relationship with Florio post p FT.

561
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: I want to know if Mike did digging on this

562
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: and reached out to the Big End camp or the

563
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: Big Ben camp reached out to Florio, a prominent newsmaker,

564
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: an aggregator here for the NFL, And who got this

565
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: story out here? Who's amplifying here? Like who is the

566
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: one that wanted to make this? Uh? Something in the

567
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: main street feels like Florio. You know, he's always trying

568
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: to scare up some stories. He's also very tight with

569
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: the you know, he covers the Steelers. That's like the

570
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: closest team to him. So I bet I bet he

571
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: he was probably annoyed for a long time, he was

572
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: blocked or something. I gotta believe there's a little bit

573
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: of Big Ben in there. I mean wanting you know,

574
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: it's the big Bend image. It's a little bit petty.

575
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: We've had issues with quarterbacks blocking us before on on

576
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: our show and dealt with it head on with someone

577
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: will talk about later today. But let's be honest. I mean,

578
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: it looks a little little bit small for Big Ben

579
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: to be blocking anyone that comes at him with any

580
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: sort of a take that's anti Steelers issue. Please. It

581
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: is funny to think of like the Roethlisberger, the guy

582
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 1: who runs his Twitter account like contacting Ario, Hey, can

583
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: you get this up there? That's what I mean. I

584
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: want to know, I want to I want the oral

585
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: his I'm cordial enough. As he said, we get along.

586
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text. I'm gonna text Mike about it. You know,

587
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: see what happened right away. Don't think I didn't notice

588
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: that mark small Ben more like small Ben. Am I right? Well,

589
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: you can go with that variation. He's been um. Certain

590
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Browns fans would like to call him Big Jan at times.

591
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's in vogue at the moment. But

592
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: um that had some run for a bit. Finally in

593
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: the news. Look, it's finally happening, and I I'm actually

594
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: you would think I'd be excited about this, and I

595
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: know a lot of people on Twitter reached out to

596
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: me about it, but I'm bummed. I'm borderline angry about it. Um.

597
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: There is an app that's being used over over the

598
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Pond for top level soccer teams where the team builders

599
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: are in contact via an app. It's a site that

600
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: let's clubs see which players are available and to gather

601
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: information by direct message without the and this is from

602
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: the Guardian, I'll use their language here, without the often

603
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: torturous and expensive process of going through agents and inter mediaries.

604
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: And this all went down last Thursday. Executives from two

605
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: d and fifty clubs across five continents were immersed in

606
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: the world of online speed dating. Every ten minutes, a

607
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: fresh encounter would start. Small talk would be made, and

608
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: understanding would be reached, perhaps even a deal struck. Than

609
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: a button would be pressed and the whole process would

610
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: start again, all the business conducted without an agent in sight.

611
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Thirteen Premier League clubs were involved in this, including the

612
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Arsenal Everton, including Arsenal Everton, Brighton, And it's a ten

613
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: minutes slot where all the team builders get in contact

614
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: with each other and they say, Hey, this is who

615
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: we're shopping who, here's who's available, this is what we

616
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: might want from you. And it seems just way more

617
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: effective then the process that goes on here in the

618
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: North American Sports Plantscape. What's holding us back here at

619
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: this point? The point, Uh, I'm disappointed because the I

620
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: P is out there now and I there's no way

621
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: to make money off it, and West and I kinda

622
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: cooked it up as a joint venture, but I would

623
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: have eventually taken West of court to try to take

624
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: all the money. Um, all that now is out the door.

625
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: And uh, it goes back to I remember I was

626
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: at Hurst Castle with my wife, um before we got married.

627
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Hearst Castle is a beautiful estate up the coast here

628
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: in central California, and we're looking at all the beautiful

629
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: flowers on the estate. And sure enough, I look at

630
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: one of the flowers. Wouldn't it be cool to find

631
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: out if there was a way to take a photo

632
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: of the flower on an app And then uploaded and

633
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: know what the flower was and I even had an

634
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: idea for it. It was called flower Power, an app.

635
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Everyone laughed at me, and now sure enough, there's a

636
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: huge app out there that does exactly that. This is

637
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: happening to me again, chance to be a multimillionaire being

638
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: just washed away flower. Well, but I you know, I am,

639
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: I am reminded of uh and I hope I'm not

640
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: misquoting it. But you know, to paraphrase, you know, the

641
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg character from the social network, like if you

642
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: would have invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook. You know,

643
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when the winkle box is,

644
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, if you if you wanted to do

645
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: it like then it would have happened. You would have

646
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: invented it. Now I invented it. Well, Dan, I'll give

647
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: you a few more points for the flower wrapp that

648
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: that circulated in the mind there. I think that's that's

649
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: a nice thing that you came up with. If I

650
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: had a friend and I we came up with something

651
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: called doubles where instead of this ridiculous this is a

652
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: long time ago, be pre any dating apps, but instead

653
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: of um, like some guy trying to find some girl online.

654
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Like two guys that are friends go on a like

655
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: a date with two girls that are friends, and you

656
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: just see what happens. Doubles, well, they that would have

657
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: been that they had a lot of money. They have

658
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: like reddit boards for you know, people like that. Well

659
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking. Came up with the idea in

660
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: like two thousand and three, So not what's not on

661
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: a Reddit board. But I just mean, like, you know, couples,

662
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, well I know what you mean, But this

663
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: was a more you know, it's a it would have

664
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: been a a g rated first time to hang out

665
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: and then you just see what happens from there. This

666
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: is it makes sense. I would love to see like

667
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: a an entire like that backhouse you have at your house,

668
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: Mark that we talked about all the time, just filled

669
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: with notebooks on the this idea and all ideas pertaining

670
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: to couples getting together in privacy. Seems like it can

671
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: be for some friendships to really be tested. You know,

672
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. I mean you could do this

673
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: castle maybe, yeah. I mean this can't be the first.

674
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: This is not the first Mark Sessler idea that's popped

675
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: to his mind about couples disappearing into the darkness. You're right,

676
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: there's got to be notebooks after note except but they're

677
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: not holding. They're not You put your research in. You

678
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: really need to know, all right, goodbye anyway, the gm APP.

679
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: I know now it's not I p for me and

680
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make money off it. But it just

681
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. They're doing it over there in the the

682
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: other version of football. So bring it over here and

683
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see You're not gonna have heartbroken fan

684
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: bases like in Houston. Uh, wondering how we got David

685
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: Johnson and the second round pick for one of the

686
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: best wide receivers in the world. Let's do this right

687
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: and eliminate the middleman with the g m app. That's

688
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. At the facility has felt

689
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: like every other play was a pass from Carl Waller.

690
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: He loves this new target. He has hands off here

691
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: to jacobs s side of a tackle. Hand look, He's

692
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: take it off, trip, but will just going to score

693
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: free cars in his last eight passes, it comes out

694
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Is the rookie Foster broad up next

695
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: in the Wheel of team series. The lust Vegas Raiders

696
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: coming off of a playoff three season, seven and nine,

697
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: third place in the a f C West. Head coach

698
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: John Gruden, entering his third year and joining us. Like

699
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: we said, by popular demand, he writes for The Athletic

700
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: and he's covered this team for a long time. Victor

701
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: far Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Doing good, guys,

702
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: How are you guys? Doing good? Good? Good? We're doing well, mac,

703
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: So let me just let's start here. So the narrative

704
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: around the Raiders right now is that the Gruden Mayak team,

705
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: they see that they have this superpower Chiefs in their division,

706
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: and they know they're gonna have to try to keep

707
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: up and score points. Their draft is focused on some

708
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: level toward that goal of getting this offense more explosive.

709
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: My question to you to get it started, do you

710
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: actually think I know the Raiders think they have, but

711
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: do you think they have narrowed the gap here between

712
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: the top of this division and they are a team

713
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: that's better and has a real chance of hanging around

714
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: in the a f C West. I could definitely improve

715
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: the mean I was. The Chiefs are a very high

716
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: bar and the Chiefs are the best team in the

717
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: league probably getting better. So I think it's a tough

718
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: one to just stay with him on you on the scoreboard.

719
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: But I think Rugs ideally is a guy that can

720
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: help spread the field open things up for other guys

721
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: like durn Waller. Josh Jacobs is a big rookie year

722
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: last year, so there's definitely some pieces there. Their offense

723
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: can't take the next step next year, Yeah, I I

724
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: look at the receiver group and I think about how

725
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: they traded for z Jones last year because they didn't

726
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: have anyone and he just like immediately started playing starter snaps.

727
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: And then you look at the receiver group this year

728
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: with Tyrelle Williams and you know, Renfro and Rugs and

729
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: pretty good and day Jones might not even make the team.

730
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: So did the personnel has been upgraded? I'm curious, just

731
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: from having watched Groudin so closely and you're familiar with

732
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: this time, you know before in Oakland, how do you

733
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: think he's been in terms of like upgrading how he

734
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: likes to run offense for the nineteen because when when

735
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: they were good last year, it's still kind of looked

736
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: like the old Grooten tons of short passes, controlling the ball.

737
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: It's a little it was a little more old school,

738
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: like how is he had messed with this new NFL.

739
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: It's a good question because a lot of times from

740
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: the knocker on Derek carrs the's Mr check down alway

741
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: checks the ball down, dumps off the short passes. But

742
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: that's what what John wants, and really that's part of

743
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: that's a big part of his offense. He doesn't want

744
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: taking chances down the field. So a lot of times

745
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Derek's doing what he's told to do in an offense.

746
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: So I think obviously last year was was hard because

747
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I think John was going to evolve all but I

748
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: think you definitely planned to have most of his offense

749
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: kind of stating around Tonio Brown. He had the whole

750
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: pretty much. She was gonna set every record I think

751
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: last year in the book as far as receptionating yards

752
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: when he was get the ball that often. So I think, uh,

753
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: having met thing, I'll fall apart. So closer to the season,

754
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: it was hard to overcome for them. I think they

755
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: definitely a nice job. They use three tight ends a

756
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: lot kind of trying to use they had, but three

757
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: tight ends teams are gonna catch on pretty quick. I

758
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: think I really uh help you get out points in

759
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: the long haul. So I think, um, you know, Tyrol

760
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: Williams got hurt last year at two bad feet, So

761
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I think last year I did give John Derek a

762
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: little bit of excuse because I think that's valid. I

763
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: think they lost two big pieces that receive where they're

764
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: counting on last year. Yeah. I look at Mike Mayock

765
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: also in terms of the overall process of team building

766
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: that he's pretty quickly added uh depth in a lot

767
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: of different areas to a team that definitely needed a

768
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: lot of depth. I mean their roster a couple of

769
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: years ago was a horror show. Um. I look at

770
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: someone like Lynn Bowden and I know there was the

771
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: issue with him this morning that maybe is not an issue, um,

772
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: but a fascinating player at Kentucky. And I know they've

773
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: got a pretty stacked um backfield. But could you to

774
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: Greg's question and groot and you know, growing and becoming

775
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: maybe more you know, innovative. How do you think win

776
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: bout it? And maybe not right away, but as a

777
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: rookie and down the road will be used by this

778
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: team because it's almost like a question of how do

779
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: you designate him as a player. Well, I think this

780
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: year the plan is kind of using the running back primarily,

781
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of easing them in a little bit, just kind

782
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: of get some receptions, kind of maybe a couple of

783
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: wild cat packages. But I think they're gonna bring him

784
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: along slowly eventually. I think the long term goal is

785
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: he can play the slot, he can move around, might

786
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: return kicks also this year, So I think it will

787
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: be a good test for John and and Greg Olson

788
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: the OC just how they get him involved, come exploit

789
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: what he can do. He's definitely a big, you know,

790
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: making miss kind of guy, so I was aware. You know,

791
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: his stats in the SEC last year are pretty incredible

792
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: for a pretty bad Kentucky team. I threw amout a

793
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: quarterback and he kind of still put up huge numbers

794
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: last year. So I think he really is a rare talent.

795
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: I think if you had a Pro Day this year

796
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: he was all hurt, he might have gonna hire in

797
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: the draft. So I think it was a good, good value.

798
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: I think he definitely is one of those guys who

799
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: can definitely make plays with all over the field. What

800
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: are you expecting from Cleveland Farrell this year he went

801
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: fourth overall. It was Mayo's you know, first big draft

802
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: pick and didn't see much in way a production. Max

803
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: Crosby who was a later pick um he had ten

804
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: sacks and he flashed and looks like a guy who

805
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: could be a long term answer for them. Do you

806
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: think that Farrell did he to to you? Did he

807
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: come up a guy that was developing? It just I'll

808
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: be it a little bit slower or a potential question

809
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: mark whether this was the right guy to bring into

810
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: the building. I think maybe both. I think with him,

811
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: you look at last year and where it wasn't a

812
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: draft maybe a little high, but he's not really that

813
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: quick twitch kind of guy who wanted an edge pass rusher.

814
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: He's more of a bigger kind of physical guy. I think, Um,

815
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: he's worked hard this Officeason. I did a story on

816
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: recently where he spent eighteen weeks in Florida. In Miami.

817
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: He's put on twelve pounds. He's two seventy five now.

818
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: So I think the plan is having him as a

819
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: studio end. You can move inside maybe on on third downs,

820
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: but he's definitely a hard worker. Definitely everyone stairs, you

821
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: know the character fingers through the roof. It's why they

822
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: fell over him last year. They kind of the last

823
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: year was a kind of ideally trade back again later

824
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: in the first round, and then when I couldn't trade back,

825
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: they're kind of stuck. They're like, well, now what we

826
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: do We mean, we love this guy before may not

827
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: be the best value for him, but we do love him.

828
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: We love you. So they went and took him there.

829
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: So I think, um, was he overdrafted and possibly, but

830
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: I think there's still a lot of work to work

831
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: with the definitely is a lot more to uh. To

832
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: Cleeve Furlan, we saw last year that happens all the time,

833
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: right that where teams they fall in love with the guy,

834
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: they can't move out, but they still It put you

835
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: in that spot and then you get killed for overdrafting

836
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: the guy. But ultimately, if he's a guy you like,

837
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: you grab him. Yeah, if it works out. If the

838
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: guy that comes a great player, no one cares you

839
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: reached for him. And he had a bigger last year,

840
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: nobody would care about that. He went to higher than

841
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: they thought. It's good for him. He mentioned Max Crosby.

842
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: They're good friends and Max obviously overachieved there definitely was

843
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: the better than people thought it was a draft time,

844
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: so they kind of bounced their out where Max kind

845
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: of was a player they thought that clean might be.

846
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: And so I think they definitely helped clear lot as

847
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: far as didn't get totally killed in the media in

848
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: terms of is not so productive rookie year. I think

849
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Max definitely help him out as far as taking some

850
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: of the shining away and not putting so much of

851
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: the light on the kles, you know, not totally productive

852
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: of a rookie season. Well. And yeah, and Crosby took

853
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: the heat off of mayok too, because like the Trayvon

854
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Mullin and Josh Jacobs and renfros So it's like Cleveland

855
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: Farrell might not have been one of the best four

856
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: rookies on on his own team. I'm curious. I want

857
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: to switch gears a little bit and just like ask

858
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: you a little bit what it's like covering this team,

859
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: especially how it's how they're moving to Vegas. Um, it's

860
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: just a team with a lot of drama from the

861
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: top on down, you know, from ownership to coaches. Over

862
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: the years. I guess you know, I've seen you've had

863
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: some drama on Twitter. Over the years, you know, you're

864
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: not afraid to get a little back and forth like

865
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: what I've grown up, that's not That's not me anymore.

866
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: Have the Raiders mature that I guess like as they're

867
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: moving to Vegas, like, is this still kind of like

868
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: a crazy team out of left field or what's going on?

869
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: They're always gonna be crazy, I think going back to

870
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: al Davis and they now Mark and I think you

871
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: mentioned Gruden's definitely just very an emotional person that kind

872
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: of does what you think at the moment. I think

873
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: you look at him and look at the clear Max Radees.

874
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that there's not a history of,

875
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: really a lot of planning and rational thoughts. Kind of

876
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: they really act. They always have kind of you know,

877
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: just kind of shot first and then ask questions later.

878
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: So I think, um, I think it always will be crazy.

879
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure Vegas will escalate another notch. I think just

880
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: the whole atmosphere there, and I'm dying to know what

881
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: the plan is as far as security and like players,

882
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: they can have like a molding patrol of security guys.

883
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that will go to the one

884
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: that night and the high always Room and Caesar's Palace.

885
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a million bucks. So I just think

886
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: there's women are gonna be targeted. I just think this

887
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: is a whole different People said it's gambling and wembling

888
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: all over the country, but it's not like Vegas. You

889
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: can't get in trouble at four am on a Wednesday.

890
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: That's the plant. And I'll believe you there next month.

891
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: I think the pandemic kind of definitely changed some things

892
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I'll be there and I'll starting

893
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: next month, and so, uh yeah, it's gonna be uh,

894
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be crazy, obviously, how are you going to

895
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: stay out of the high rollers room. I've I've been

896
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: to Vegas. I lived there when I was a young man,

897
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: so I've learned. But now I'm a wise, wise veteran.

898
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I know what to uh to watch myself. But yeah,

899
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. I mean, I definitely I think that

900
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the incognito who definitely had his um

901
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: his share of trouble. He said if he was going

902
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: to Vegas at at twenty five, it would be a

903
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: big problem. But now he says he he's learned and

904
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: he'll be helping teammates kind of like took the calmer

905
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: road and Richie is the voice of reason. You got

906
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: you gotta love that. But just sign older players basically

907
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: year old. The average age of the team is probably

908
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: exactly so maybe a problem. Yeah. I think the last

909
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: few years in the draft, definitely may I and Grooden

910
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: questioning may I have to talk to these guys, and

911
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: they're drafting guys who they thought ahead, like can this

912
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: guy handle it in Vegas? Chris guy handle all the temptations?

913
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: And so they definitely maybe that's one reason they've gone

914
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: towards the bigger programs, most your picture guys from the

915
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: bigger Clemson they have a huge you know, pipeline and

916
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: Clemson now, so they've tried to to really pick ahead

917
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: and draft guys who they think will be able to

918
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: handle the whole Las Vegas atmosphere. I would say this

919
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: to the league. Gave them four primetime games in Vegas.

920
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: It's pretty rare for that to happen to any team,

921
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: So the expectations are there. Some of those games happen early,

922
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: and I kind of with teams like this because I think,

923
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, the consensus seems to be that the Raiders

924
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: are at least an eight and eight team, if not

925
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: a playoff team, potentially with the seventh wild card our

926
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: seventh playoff team added. I wonder who the scapegoat would

927
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: be Um if things went wrong, because it's not grooting.

928
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: He's under contract till the end of days. Um Mayok

929
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: has done a good job. I look at someone like

930
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: Paul Gunther, and they brought in Rod Marinelli, which is

931
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: an interesting guy to bring in on defense, and if

932
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: the defense, which is I think where some of the

933
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: question marks lie Um Crumble's early could you see him

934
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: being shotguns out of town, out of town mid season.

935
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. When we were talking about that

936
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: list of possible scape growth and who wouldn't be the

937
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: guy I thought you could, said Derek Card to me.

938
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is the guy on the line this year.

939
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: He was presumed at this point. It's probably obvious, but

940
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: I think guns are definitely has to have better results

941
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: this year. They've drafted more players, they signed two linebackers.

942
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: I've been here ten years covering the team and they've

943
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: had some bad linebackers. They haven't know that they're really

944
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: addressed like they have this offseason. They got the Creer,

945
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: Cosby and Littleton, two UH guys who are athletic and

946
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: make some plays all over the field. So it's kind

947
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: of a kind of exciting for Rader fans if you

948
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: see some quality linebacker play out of this team play.

949
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: It's a big step for for Gunther. And I mentioned

950
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned the draft class they got on that in

951
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: the first rounds. I hope he can be an impact corner.

952
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: So talent is definitely there for improvement. And if there's

953
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: not improvement, and yet particulation about Paul Gunter's future is

954
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: definitely fair. If they were two and four and Carr

955
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: was playing not great, do you think we see Marcus Mariota? Yeah,

956
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: I want to play this game, but yeah, I think

957
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: just what are your thoughts on how they Mario? You

958
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: don't play games, Greg. They gave him some point five

959
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: million dollars to markets for a reason, so they didn't

960
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: bring up until I carry clipboard and and smile and

961
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: do Hawaiian you know commercials from UH. So I just think, um, yeah,

962
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: I think Derek I was there's some pressure there. I

963
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: think they've added the tools you mentioned on the draft

964
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: class and the guys who signed. So I think that

965
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: Biobecue is interesting, which you know you mentioned with them

966
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: a flow start. I think there could be possible uh change.

967
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: So I think therefore there's a there's an urgency for

968
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: the offense and for Derek Carr. I don't know, man,

969
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: I think about now that you kind of put it

970
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: in my head. You're moving to a new market. You

971
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: feel like you're going to gain fans in the desert.

972
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: You feel like you're gonna get some fans from California.

973
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: But if you get lock down that the Pacific Islander

974
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: uh fan base. I know they've actually been to Hawaii

975
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: for my honeymoon. I remember talking people Seahawks are very

976
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: popular in Hawaii. If you could steal away that that

977
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: that fan base. Nice job. Maybe there's more to this

978
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: with Mariotta. There's a huge Hawaiian population in Vegas. That

979
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: just a story that when he assigned them. Apparently all

980
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: the people who work in your hotels in those places

981
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: in Hawaii is expensive to stay from the Vegas and

982
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: they working customer service, you know, a hotel service in

983
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: Vegas can live a lot cheaper lifestyle. So definitely is

984
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: a huge Hawaireian population in Las Vegas. All right, is

985
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: this Mayock grooded thing working? Yes or no? Yeah? I

986
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: mean I think um, I mean Tony Brown definitely tested it.

987
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean definitely. There were some problems last year with

988
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: the whole all that stuff. I was that was a

989
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: crazy month. But right another good I think they're definitely there.

990
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: They've worked well together in draft. You know, Mic does

991
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: all the homework, uh and kind of makes it recommendations

992
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: John his final say. But for the most part, I

993
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: think it's gone pretty smoothly. I think besides that one

994
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: major hiccup uh last last year, is that the craziest

995
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: thing in your beat years covering the Raiders, the whole

996
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Brown drama. It's funny a lot, but yeah, I think

997
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: it is. I think getting up every day for a

998
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: month of six in the morning in my teck on

999
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: my Instagram seeing what the guy didn't you know today?

1000
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 1: And what are some other fun highlights over the years

1001
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: at covering the Raiders? I should make a list? And

1002
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: there was altab acclaim that was a fun experience that.

1003
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Hugh Jackson was always full of surprises. I

1004
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: mean Tom Cable had incidents in the past. I mean

1005
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: we yeah, Cables that that's up there. I mean that's

1006
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: the press conference were you know albeb was hired through Jackson.

1007
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: It kind of just had a slideshow, you know, of

1008
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: a lot of tomp Cables transgressions and that was that

1009
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: was something. I mean, there's so much stuff. I can't

1010
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: even thanks to Alan, it was just so many I mean,

1011
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: just the whole people should find that press conference on YouTube.

1012
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: It's one of the most amazing um things I've ever

1013
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: seen watching covering the NFL. You know, it's you can't

1014
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: really put words to it unless you watch it. No,

1015
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and watching it, I'm like, I

1016
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: can't believe what I'm watching. I look over a rough

1017
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: Jackson's family, you know, like this is not what we

1018
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: thought this was. We thought this was You're not gonna

1019
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: be Hugh Jackson show. And they had to sit through

1020
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: an hour of it was like forty five minutes of

1021
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: just going through Tom Cable's transgressions. Little did you know

1022
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: how much better that head coaching stint would be done

1023
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: the next one? Yeah, it was. They had a lot

1024
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: of coaches over the years, so there's been so much.

1025
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Tarrell Prior had to mention it was just

1026
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: so much stuff I've I've covered so I think, but

1027
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: definitely tell you Brown, just the yeah, the expectations coming

1028
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: in um and the way of the weirdness of the

1029
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then what really made it just the

1030
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: ultimate was that when you five times you practiced the

1031
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: five times I watched him practice, the guy is incredible. Man.

1032
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I get why people why you sign them, because you're

1033
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: watching in practice and he just dominates. You're like, oh,

1034
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: they're gonna win ten games this year. I mean they can't.

1035
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: You can't cover that guy. He's still that's it's amazing

1036
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: how much he's tortures career where you can't get a job.

1037
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: But he's definitely still a top five receiver in the NFL,

1038
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of it's really sad, But when you

1039
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: watching in practice, you get that's why John is doing

1040
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: That's why John is willing to be like, you know,

1041
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: take these risks and mix it up because he's going

1042
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: a catcher hundering ten pa since this year if he plays.

1043
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: So it was just it was just a weird Uh.

1044
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: Remember ending saga for about a month and a half there.

1045
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about Rolando McClean in a long time.

1046
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: But Mark and I started at NFL dot com right

1047
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: around the time of that bizarre arrest in Alabama where

1048
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: there was the photo of him going into the cop

1049
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: car with a giant smile. You remember that, Mark, and

1050
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: I remember there was a question about whether to use

1051
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: that photo as the spotlight image for the article, and

1052
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: I believe the decision was to not use it. But

1053
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: uh wow, Raiders history sometimes sorted his last few weeks

1054
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: on the team we're spending as a practice squad fullback.

1055
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: I wasna uh so, well, alright, Vic, Um, we really

1056
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on and giving us more perspective on

1057
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and you can follow VIC at VIC to

1058
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: fir V I c t A f you r uh

1059
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: and the Athletic, which covers the NFL just as about

1060
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: as good as any site out there, so it's well

1061
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: worth the description. Vic, Thank you and good luck in

1062
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: your move to Vegas. Thanks there he goes the great

1063
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: Victor for um Greg your ongoing series where you I

1064
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: name it incorrectly, I called Roster Recet, but it's actually

1065
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: projected starters series a series. I mean, this's the series

1066
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: ended like a month ago. By the way it was,

1067
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: it lasted two weeks. I think it ended him. But

1068
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this exercise where you study each team,

1069
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: is there anything when you um, I'm sure, I'm trying

1070
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: to give you a pop, Greg, is there anything from

1071
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: your work you did on that that didn't come up

1072
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: just now that you'd like to share Looking at this roster, well,

1073
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: it was I even mentioned it on the show that

1074
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: it's I think, no, I appreciate it and it's it

1075
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: is evergreen throughout the off season. I believe it's the

1076
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: team I think I liked more after doing this exercise

1077
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: than any other team. I have questioned about Derek Carr

1078
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: and we talked about are a lot on the last show,

1079
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: but a headlock for asking that question. They that would

1080
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: I would not win that one. I've seen Vic. I

1081
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: don't really know him, but he's a large man. He

1082
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: looks like he he has played before. They have a

1083
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: great offensive line. I love the linebackers who he mentioned um.

1084
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: The defensive line is maybe shaky, but it's deeper. I

1085
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: think Mayock has done a great job. I mean the

1086
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: rookies were great, that the receiver depth is great. They've

1087
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: got like three different running backs they can use in

1088
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: different ways. They have, they're deep at tight end. You know,

1089
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: Moreau is a good rookie tight end last year. Two.

1090
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: It's I kind of you know, I think, And I

1091
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: think Gruden coached pretty well with what he had last year.

1092
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: So I think the defense just needs to be average

1093
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: and um, I don't think it's crazy for Raiders fans

1094
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: to have playoff expectations. Usually I think they're there their

1095
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: hopes are too high, But this year, I think that's fair.

1096
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: I think they should think that this can be a

1097
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: nine or ten win team might not work out, but

1098
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: I think I think they have the tools to do it.

1099
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: I'll set the over under you're feeling optimistic, I'll set

1100
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: the over under it nine and a half. If you

1101
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: gave me eight and a half, I was gonna go

1102
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: for it, then I'm going under. Okay, Mark, Yeah, I

1103
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: think nine and seven UM should be expected. Well, but

1104
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: that's seven and a half. They're at seven and a

1105
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: half or eight, I think nationally. So I I do

1106
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: like my number was not based on that. It was

1107
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: based on their glowing report from the projected starter series

1108
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com. Well, I understand that you know

1109
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: what do I You know that there's you know different

1110
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: ways to value things. Ultimately, I'm I'm saying I think

1111
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: they might be in my top seven playoff teams when

1112
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: I make the predictions, I think they might get that

1113
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: seven spot. And I think it's interesting Mark you said

1114
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: that they're kind of expected to go nine and seven.

1115
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: It's been a while since they were in that territory

1116
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: even well. I mean, you know last year they collapsed

1117
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: at the end of a couple of games they should

1118
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: have had. I could point to the game I was

1119
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: at against the Jaguars. He had no business losing that game.

1120
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: And so I think as the talent level increases, there's

1121
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Gruden. And you you paid

1122
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: Gruden money to be a top five coach. I see

1123
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: no evidence of that right now, but he's been that

1124
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: in the past. So I think it was a good

1125
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: question by Greg to ask about Gruden adapting um and

1126
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: really being everything you could ask of a head coach.

1127
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job last year, and

1128
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I'd have no I would not be surprised at all

1129
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: to see them And we can kill Derek Carr and

1130
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: he's not to me, He's not the guy I would

1131
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: want to start a team with. But if you put

1132
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: a good roster around Derek Carr. I have no problem

1133
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: with Derek Carr helping them to nine maybe ten wins.

1134
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: Let's see. I think he's a Gruden's doing a great job.

1135
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that if we're talking, because I'm

1136
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: with the same boat as you guys. I see them

1137
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: as a team that's gonna hang around to the playoff picture.

1138
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: They're not at the level of the Cheese, but this

1139
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: could definitely be a team that wins nine maybe ten

1140
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: games if things go go right. And if you told

1141
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: me that's where they'd be in year three after total

1142
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: roster tear down Brown mina Antonio Brown. But you get

1143
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: ding for bringing him in the first place too. But

1144
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: like Gruden's ability to be presiding over this, I think

1145
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: there were a lot of questions when he got hired,

1146
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: remembered on the show, whether he was out of the

1147
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: game too long, just to assume to give him that

1148
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: many years and that much money was a boondoggle potentially.

1149
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: I think it's everything's going great with the Raiders. This

1150
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 1: is obviously a key year, uh in terms of progress checking.

1151
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: But Mark, give me uh one more. I'll throw one

1152
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: more thing out there. Marcus Mariotta. Does he make any

1153
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: starts this year and not tied to injuries to Derek Carr, Well,

1154
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: I think it's very possible. When you again to point

1155
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: to the money they paid him in does he make

1156
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: them yes or no? Yes, I think he I think

1157
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: he'll make I think he could make two mm. So

1158
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: Derek Carr gets benched, you're saying, I think that could

1159
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: happen at the end of the year too, and they

1160
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: would have. I think that he's Dick made a great

1161
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: point of how much they paid Mariota and he is

1162
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: the highest paid backup in the league by I think,

1163
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, a decent amount, but he agent. Yeah, but

1164
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: it shows they wanted him and he had a market,

1165
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, other teams kind of wanted him to it

1166
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: as a potential back when I think he's in that

1167
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: spot where if you fall two games under five at

1168
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: that point you're in worried zone. If they play like

1169
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: we said and they start out quickly and they were

1170
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: above five whole season, then they don't have to worry

1171
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: about it and all that. All that talk about Cable

1172
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: not by the way to to get off track, I

1173
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: forgot Tom Cable's back there and you know, after after

1174
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: you know the allegations of what he did that last

1175
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: time he was with the Raiders, and you know what,

1176
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: he's been a punching bag, no pun intended by me

1177
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: over the years. Their offensive line did great last year. Uh.

1178
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: And actually I think it looks really good on paper.

1179
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's the strength. Hey, And speaking of a

1180
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: problematic spinning away now from the Raiders. Good talk, guys,

1181
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: and we'll do another team uh next week, since we're

1182
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: talking about the Raiders and problematic wide receivers like Antonio

1183
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: Brown and the move to Vegas. Chad Johnson, this was

1184
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: This was actually put on my um radar by one

1185
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: of our listeners, Lolanis and Pajamas. Nice shot by you,

1186
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: buddy with a thought provoking handle as well. But U

1187
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: Chad Johnson, the former OCHO Cinco on Twitter. Uh, he

1188
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: threw out some props. He laid down some future bets

1189
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: on the NFL. Just before we say good, I just

1190
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: want to see where you guys come down. Osenko going

1191
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: to since we're in the realm of Vegas, we're in

1192
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: the desert right now, how's single gonna do. I'll go

1193
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: back and forth between you guys twenty. Actually, Ricky, get

1194
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: in here. I want you in on this too. From

1195
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: the palatial Godfather Estate Don Corleone's manner. Actually in a

1196
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: state it has, it has boats in tennis courts. Give

1197
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: me a break. That's a very bad come on. Makes

1198
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: it look like I haven't worked, my hard worker. No

1199
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: one's ever, no one's ever give that connotation when you

1200
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: some people who grow up, it's what it's what you

1201
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 1: do with the what you got. You know, some people

1202
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: do it and they sit on their hands. Some people

1203
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: they work hard. You're working hard. Gregg is going to

1204
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: man explain the earth to you while we're are. So

1205
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: just step back and sit back and listen. Try to

1206
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: backtrack here. All right there, here's here are some props, Ricky.

1207
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. Erica Tampossey twenty k put down

1208
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: on the Broncos under seven and a half winds. Whoa, oh, Joe,

1209
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 1: that's just the start. That's crazy. You're taking the under

1210
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: of the over seven and a half wins. I'm taking

1211
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: under a right, yeah, but that's crazy. That's mark. That's

1212
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: that's a tennis court, maten. It's money, um Mark K

1213
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: on the Packers over nine wins I gotta win ten. Yeah,

1214
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: I'd take it over large. Greg. Here's his biggest beck,

1215
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: Greg forty forty one K on the Jaguars under five victories. Oh,

1216
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate that. I mean, it is

1217
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: just not that hard to win six games. And I

1218
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: think people are a little too down on the Jaguars.

1219
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: There's some teams out there that are worse under five wins,

1220
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: so they could they have to win four or less?

1221
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: Pardner minshew, Yeah, I hate that one alright. Eleven k

1222
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: Ricky on the Steelers over nine wins. Yeah, I think

1223
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: they could do that this year. You don't, Mark, I wouldn't.

1224
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't have that money, but I wouldn't make that

1225
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: bet myself. I don't like it. What's the last time?

1226
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: And I know big Ben has been out of the

1227
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 1: league and and come off a serious injury, but would

1228
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: be curious to let time the Steelers won less than

1229
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: ten games when he was the quarterback. I'm sure he

1230
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: was the quarterback. But do you miss they missed the player? Yeah? Uh?

1231
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: Mark ten k on the Colts winning the a f

1232
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: C South No way, just wild wagers. Well, you gotta

1233
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: give you the odds though, what is it plus one?

1234
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: For who it's ten K ten k on the Colts

1235
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: winning the ANFC South. I need that money now. I

1236
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: don't want to wait till January to find out if

1237
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: I want that. You gotta pretend your chat at Jessinka.

1238
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: You're one of the I don't like the great route

1239
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: runners in NFL history, crazy division. Kind of forget him

1240
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 1: as a player, but what a what a fun player. Yeah,

1241
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: he's he's has his own checker pass, but a great

1242
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: career that I like that. I like that. Okay, K

1243
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: on Cowboys winning the NFC East plus one ten I'm

1244
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: not trusting the Cowboys. I get it because it's basically

1245
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: a two team race. Um, it's not crazy. It's not

1246
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: a bad uh, it's not a bad guest. But I'm

1247
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: not I don't like it. And finally, twenty five K

1248
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: on the Saints winning the NFC South. I like that's

1249
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, I take that. It's just a big

1250
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: old parlay of a ton of different things. Why not

1251
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: I thried that one seems better than some of the

1252
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: other much where sides, I'm sure, I'm sure? Yeah? Plus

1253
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: one hundred h me add this up? How much money

1254
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: he laid down at the Bellaggio, here's anything like, hey,

1255
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: not everthing. It's fifty fifty plus tens to next day

1256
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: sixth plus eleven seven one. So oh, this is tough.

1257
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: Seventy one plus forty one to fifty that's one one

1258
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: eleven to fifty one eleven to fifty plus five. K

1259
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: Now it's getting really tough. Uh eleven one eleven one

1260
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: d and eleven thousand dollars and two hundred two hundred

1261
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: fifty plus twenty five is one thirty six and then

1262
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: plus one five one hundred and fifty six thousand dollars

1263
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: and two hundred one fifty six thousand two. Chris Long

1264
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: podcast starting to sound better by the minute. Can't tap that,

1265
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: can't tap that? I had one, but that was too good?

1266
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: A right? Let me, uh do the math. Anybody want

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Speaker 1: to close the show while I do the math on this,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna check my work here alright, Um, what today

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Speaker 1: you know for for Dan Kansas, Mark Sessler, Eric at

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Speaker 1: tampost Vick to four Eric and tam posts Gardner, you know,

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Speaker 1: mowing the tennis car. We'll see you Friday. Hang on,

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Speaker 1: I'm almost done. I'm almost done. Eleven plus ten plus

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Speaker 1: fifty plus on oh I missed if I one thousands,

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Speaker 1: one seven thousand, two hundred and seven Ferve Thouars ouch