WEBVTT - 7. Misdirection

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Hey, Lost Hills listeners, it's Dana. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>or at pushkin dot fm slash Plus. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties, the surf media was just getting started, and

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey Dora was it's darling.

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<v Speaker 2>Although the phrase was not extant at the time, I

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<v Speaker 2>think badass would do it. Yeah, not to be fucked

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<v Speaker 2>with the reigning king as it were. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>was acknowledged to be the best there was.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Drew Campion. He started surfing in Malibu in

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<v Speaker 1>the early sixties. He wrote for Surfer Magazine and later

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<v Speaker 1>became the editor.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a conservative publication. And I had been

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<v Speaker 2>living over the hill up and from Malibu in the

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<v Speaker 2>San Fernando Valley and had been introduced to LSD and marijuana.

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<v Speaker 2>I had tasted enough of each of them to have

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a wrinkle in my perception of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I brought that wrinkle to Surfer. I think

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<v Speaker 2>and people seemed to respond to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after he got hired, Drew got a plumb assignment

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<v Speaker 1>to interview Mickey Dora. It was the fall of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine. Mickey had made his reputation as an enigmatic misanthrope,

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<v Speaker 1>a trickster. If you asked him to zig, he would zag.

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<v Speaker 1>He was quote the angry young Man of surfing. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the mags had printed a photo of him flipping

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<v Speaker 1>off the camera. He was also quote mister Malibu, a

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<v Speaker 1>singularly good surfer, singularly identified with the most iconic surf

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<v Speaker 1>spot in the country. Mickey was hard to pin down.

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<v Speaker 1>He rarely gave interviews. This would be a big get

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<v Speaker 1>for the magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the second floor. We could see down on

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<v Speaker 2>the parking lot. Here comes Mickey and his van, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody alerted everybody, Oh, Mickey's coming. So Mickey comes

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<v Speaker 2>into the office and looks around, but there's too many

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<v Speaker 2>people in the office, and he says, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really want to I really don't want to do an

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<v Speaker 2>interview here. Can we go somewhere else? And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I live just down the road in San Clementy. We

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<v Speaker 2>could meet there.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey agreed, Drew told him which exit, and they got

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<v Speaker 1>in their separate cars. Mickey followed Drew on the freeway

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<v Speaker 1>until they reached the exit. Drew got off, but Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>didn't what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>So I went straight ahead. At the bottom of the off,

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<v Speaker 2>Ram got back on the freeway and basically chased him

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<v Speaker 2>down the shore and said, Mickey, did you miss the exit?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, oh, yeah, well, and I had this

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<v Speaker 2>distinct feeling that he hadn't really missed the exit, he

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<v Speaker 2>just dodged the exit, like he dodged a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Drew got Mickey to his house and the interview

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<v Speaker 1>could begin, but Mickey wasn't feeling it, so.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, you know, whyn't you just give me the

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<v Speaker 2>questions and I'll take him home. I'll do a proper job.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll fill him out for you, and i'll get him

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<v Speaker 2>right back to you. And we went back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit. Finally I agreed, he drove off

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<v Speaker 2>with the questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Micky wasn't going to trust some magazine writer with his image.

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<v Speaker 1>His image was his most precious asset.

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<v Speaker 2>So he went home and he started to riff on

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<v Speaker 2>the answers You know, and I don't know. He could

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<v Speaker 2>have smoked a bowl. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Question what is your relationship with drugs? Answer? It is

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<v Speaker 1>possible to find pleasure in hallucinatory fantasies. I'm quite sure

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but I've made my peace with reality. Either

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<v Speaker 1>one one way or the other is going to solve

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<v Speaker 1>the acute overpopulation problem.

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<v Speaker 2>The answers were let's say, free form. They really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>address the subjects directly. They're more like a philosophical treatise,

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<v Speaker 2>divided up in the question and answer for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Question why do you think bombs were planted in your car? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably to blow me to bits. By the way, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no evidence that anyone ever planted bombs in Mickey's car.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the words that Mickey was often associated with

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<v Speaker 2>behaviorally was something called misdirection.

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<v Speaker 1>Question what changes have you witnessed during the course of

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<v Speaker 1>your surfing career? Answer? First of all, I have no career.

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<v Speaker 1>I was here before and I'll be hereafter. We are

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<v Speaker 1>all soon to undergo the sport's demise in the immediate future.

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<v Speaker 2>So he would do that in conversation. He would do

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<v Speaker 2>that in his kind of approach to surfing and being

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<v Speaker 2>in a crowd, how to avoid people and how to

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<v Speaker 2>encounter them selectively, How to keep people confused and not

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<v Speaker 2>be direct about anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Question why do you feel this fall is going to

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<v Speaker 1>occur in the near future? Answer? The advent of professionalism

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<v Speaker 1>to the sport will be the final blow. These few

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street flesh merchants desire to unify surfing only to

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<v Speaker 1>extract the wealth. A surfer should think carefully before selling

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<v Speaker 1>his being to these people. Since he's signing his own

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<v Speaker 1>death warrant as a personal entity.

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<v Speaker 2>Something about the word conundrum kind of comes into my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey was a profit of doom, and he was especially

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<v Speaker 1>gloomy about the idea of surfing becoming professionalized, organized, commercialized.

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<v Speaker 1>He was against anything that took surfing away from its

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<v Speaker 1>simple origins, from that moment when it was just him

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<v Speaker 1>alone in a wave at Malibu.

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<v Speaker 2>So we ran that in Surfer magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode seven, Misdirection,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven. The Malibu Invitational. A beautiful day and

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<v Speaker 1>the waves are perfect, four to six feet and clean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best day at Malibu in years. All the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest names in surfing are there, including of course, Mickey Dora.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from a contemporary report quote the cat crept in.

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<v Speaker 1>Dressed in his original tattered and torn trench coat. He

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<v Speaker 1>smiled from under a week's growth of beard. This was

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<v Speaker 1>his Malibu unquote.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had to sit in the judges stand and record.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge would count to a number, you know, black

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<v Speaker 3>eight points, you know, and I was writing it down.

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<v Speaker 3>When it came to the finals. Mickey was quite the

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<v Speaker 3>young showman.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Linda Kai. She was a teenager, a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Malibu Surf Association working in the judges booth.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was watching Mickey and then he did something totally unexpected.

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<v Speaker 3>He did a little bit of a pull my pants

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<v Speaker 3>down and here you go, judges, what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>of that?

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey was, as they called it back then, hanging ba

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<v Speaker 1>for bare ass.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. The moon came out. I think people

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<v Speaker 3>were shocked. You know, there wasn't like a uterrae or

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<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't get stuff like that. Now people would go nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, what are you gonna do? Blow the

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<v Speaker 3>air horn or the air gun or what? Did you

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<v Speaker 3>think you can't just qualify him? Yeah? Well, I was

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<v Speaker 3>like everybody else. I was pretty stunned, you know, being

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<v Speaker 3>the complex character that he was. Not me knowing this

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<v Speaker 3>but now I do. It was probably appropriate because he

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<v Speaker 3>hated commercialism. Although he wanted to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Micky didn't like surf competitions. The whole idea of surfing

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<v Speaker 1>going professional just bugged him. It was a threat. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>everybody already know who the rightful king of Malibu was.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't need pretenders to his throne. But he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>set the contest out. He invalidated it and burnished his

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<v Speaker 1>legend in the process, And fifty plus years later, the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing anyone remembers about the nineteen sixty seven Malibu

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<v Speaker 1>Invitational is Mickey's bear butt. There were so many Mickey tricks,

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<v Speaker 1>so many things he's rumored to have done. Rumors he

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<v Speaker 1>may well have started himself, stealing surfboards from the sets

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<v Speaker 1>of the movies he worked on and reselling them, setting

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<v Speaker 1>up an anti civil rights group at a UCLA protest

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty five, calling up Surfer magazine pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>be a rabbi, releasing three thousand moths into the projector

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<v Speaker 1>at a screening of a Gregnole surf movie while wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a Groucho Marx disguise, throwing his surf contest trophy in

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<v Speaker 1>the trash at the Malibu Pit because he got third

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<v Speaker 1>place when he thought he should have won. People say

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<v Speaker 1>Gidget started the commercialization of surfing when the movie came

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<v Speaker 1>out in nineteen fifty nine, and there's some truth to that,

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<v Speaker 1>but ironically, the roots of the modern surf industry lie

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<v Speaker 1>in the reaction to Gidget by surfers who are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to counter the phony image of surfing portrayed in the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood beach movies. These guys, these pure surfers, wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>show the world that surfing was not some sacran tiney

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<v Speaker 1>bopper romance that climaxes in a luau, but an epic

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<v Speaker 1>male adventure around the world in search of waves. So

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<v Speaker 1>they made documentary style surf movies and showed them in

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<v Speaker 1>school gyms around the country.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of those people is Severson, who in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>fifty nine decided to create a booklet to go with

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<v Speaker 4>his latest movie, and that booklet became Surfer Magazine, which

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<v Speaker 4>debuted in nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>John Severson became a major figure in the dissemination of

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<v Speaker 1>surf culture throughout the World surf historian Matt Warshaw that.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, sort of when surf media takes a big

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<v Speaker 4>sort of step forward. By nineteen sixty, you've got the

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<v Speaker 4>beginnings of what would become the surf industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Surfer magazine sold the surfing lifestyle literally with ads for

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<v Speaker 1>boards and fins and reef booties and swim trunks. It

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<v Speaker 1>became a vehicle for the nascent sport to present itself

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<v Speaker 1>to the American public. The magazine loved Mickey the anti gidget.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always good copy and in those early days

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<v Speaker 1>there were just not that many surfers to choose from.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey likewise found Surfer Magazine to be a good medium

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<v Speaker 1>for his message.

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<v Speaker 4>It does kind of change everything. It certainly changed things

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<v Speaker 4>for Mickey Dora because now he had a platform. It

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<v Speaker 4>was just something that he could have a great time with.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he just loved being sort of a provocateur

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<v Speaker 4>right from the beginning, and things that he had been

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<v Speaker 4>doing in the water was just sort of being aggressive

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<v Speaker 4>and funny and he could now do in the pages

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<v Speaker 4>of a magazine, and you know, and he played it

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<v Speaker 4>to the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was an inherent conflict between Mickey Dora and

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<v Speaker 1>the direction that surfing was going. This thing that had

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<v Speaker 1>been in pursuit of bohemians and dropouts was being made

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<v Speaker 1>over into a sport that was respectable and organized with rules.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was happening right in the pages of Surfer magazine.

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<v Speaker 4>When John Severson and others started to push this thing

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<v Speaker 4>called the United States Surfing Association, whose mission was to

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<v Speaker 4>clean up the sport and have contests, and a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people just thought, men, get out of here, let

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<v Speaker 4>us just surf. Dora certainly felt that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey nominated himself to be the spokesman for surfing's rebel spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dark side. A decade after Gidget, it was clear

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<v Speaker 1>there was money to be made in surfing, but how

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<v Speaker 1>to do it without working too hard.

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<v Speaker 5>What our generation wanted to do is figure out how

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<v Speaker 5>you could make a living at it and still keep surfing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jim Kempton, the president of the California Surf Museum.

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<v Speaker 5>The result of the sixties was nobody wanted to work

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<v Speaker 5>nine to five, nobody wanted to wear a suit and tie.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>Live their own.

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<v Speaker 5>Life and be cool, and at the same time, nobody

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to be poor and so you know the trick.

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<v Speaker 5>How do you do that? And the answer was, you

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<v Speaker 5>figure out how to make the surfing industry work for you.

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<v Speaker 5>And so for me, that was discovering that when I

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<v Speaker 5>was going to school in Europe, I went to graduate

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<v Speaker 5>school in England, and realizing that there was this huge

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<v Speaker 5>market for anything related to California and surfing.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim remembers the exact day he figured it out. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>taken the train into London wearing a Hawaiian shirt he

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<v Speaker 1>bought at a thrift store back in California. After spending

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<v Speaker 1>the day in the city, he was hurrying back to

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<v Speaker 1>the train station to catch the last train home.

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<v Speaker 5>Rushing down you know, Sloan Square to get to Victoria,

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<v Speaker 5>and this guy stops me and says, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 5>fifty quid for that shirt. And I guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I made that look and he said, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 5>fifty pounds sterling. I said, now, I know how much

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<v Speaker 5>money it is, but what do you want my shirt for?

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<v Speaker 5>He said, you're from California, aren't you, And I said yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I said you're a surfer, aren't you, And I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I want that shirt. So you know I'm calculating, God,

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<v Speaker 5>that's like three months in beerits, you know, for their shirt.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm thinking, God, I got to catch the train.

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't got time to go find try to find

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<v Speaker 5>a shirt. So I said, I gotta go. And the

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<v Speaker 5>guy took the fifty pound note out of his wallet

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<v Speaker 5>and he held it up and he said, I want

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<v Speaker 5>that shirt. Take it off right now. And I rode

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<v Speaker 5>home on that train for three and a half hours

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<v Speaker 5>with their shirt on, and a couple of things became

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<v Speaker 5>really clear to me at that stage. This thing about

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<v Speaker 5>surfing is way bigger than I realized. Right, This wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>just this little band of us that were living in

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<v Speaker 5>France and living in Hawaii and living at Noose Ahead,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, in Australia. This was something everybody knew about.

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<v Speaker 5>They knew about us, they liked it, they were dying

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<v Speaker 5>for it, right. And then I went back after I

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<v Speaker 5>graduated and went to every thrift store from Santa Barbara

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<v Speaker 5>to San Diego and bought every single Hawaiian shirt for

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<v Speaker 5>fifty cents apiece, put him in a giant container and

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<v Speaker 5>shipped him to Europe. And for the next five years,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what I did. That's all I had to do

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<v Speaker 5>to make a living.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim's peers were doing the same thing, figuring out how

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<v Speaker 1>to capitalize on the global surfing craze, how to export

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<v Speaker 1>California surf products to the rest of the world. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a team effort.

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<v Speaker 5>So everyone wanted everyone else to be successful. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>that's kind of how the surf industry evolved in the

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<v Speaker 5>surf world was all about cooperation. It was all about

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<v Speaker 5>rooting for the other guys because if they could make

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<v Speaker 5>it admant there was a market out there for you

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<v Speaker 5>to exploit as well. Some people were showing movies, some

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<v Speaker 5>people were selling Hawaiian shirts, some people were selling dope,

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<v Speaker 5>some people were selling surfboards, some people were you were

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<v Speaker 5>trying to figure out how to make clothes and so

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<v Speaker 5>or wetsuits or whatever it might be. So everybody at

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<v Speaker 5>that time we were kind of willing that industry into

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<v Speaker 5>existence so that we could continue to do what we

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<v Speaker 5>love doing and make a living in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ever gone anywhere in the world and seen

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<v Speaker 1>people's eyes light up when they hear the word California,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why. This is when the world became obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with California youth culture. Specifically the surfers. Mickey he started

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<v Speaker 1>hawking boards branded with his nickname the Cat.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, there another California Gold sneak peek. You are bidding

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<v Speaker 6>on one of the most collected surfboards of its era,

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<v Speaker 6>of any era.

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<v Speaker 1>This clip is from a vintage surfboard auction that was

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<v Speaker 1>held in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>Every serious collector has at least one of these beauties

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<v Speaker 6>for you. This year we offer a rare to cat

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<v Speaker 6>color workup all original nine foot eight inches nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 6>six to Cat model Greg Nole Mickeydora slot bottom with

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<v Speaker 6>green and orange mind melt splash on bottom and deck.

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<v Speaker 6>The sport has the original slip.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cat boards, which were manufactured by Mickey's friend Greg Knowle,

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<v Speaker 1>are still very coveted. That nineteen sixty six board sold

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<v Speaker 1>for seventeen thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>You have to ride the wave and the way it's breaking.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you can't go left on a right in

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<v Speaker 7>a way that goes to the right. And so he

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<v Speaker 7>could make a rep by bitching about Paradise lost, but

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<v Speaker 7>it's not as if he didn't at times profit from it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is journalist David Renson again. He wrote the Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>Dora biography all for a few perfect waves.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's very complex and how he was trapped

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<v Speaker 7>by his own celebrity in his own story, and he

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<v Speaker 7>couldn't appear to be selling out, so when he did

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<v Speaker 7>sell out, he mocked people. Look at all the ads

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<v Speaker 7>for the Cat surfboard with Greg Knowle. It's a classic.

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<v Speaker 1>Ads for the Cat boards appeared all over the surf magazines.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one where a square jawed cartoon American pilot says

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<v Speaker 1>Da Cat is the greatest threat to our pure white,

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<v Speaker 1>virgin sport. Now it's up to the CIA to crush him.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a black puma wearing a crown and the promise

0:19:22.276 --> 0:19:28.396
<v Speaker 1>that quote de cat will have its revenge someday. There's

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<v Speaker 1>another one where Mickey says, quote, as you are obviously aware,

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<v Speaker 1>most all of my ads are being constantly sabotaged, twisted, censored,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dialogue rearranged. Da Cat has barely five lives left.

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<v Speaker 1>The power mafia that is now controlling the sport is

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<v Speaker 1>on my back as never before. This possibly could be

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<v Speaker 1>the end. In one of the most famous and controversial ads,

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<v Speaker 1>he creates a Da Cat's theory of evolution. It starts

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<v Speaker 1>with a knuckle dragging kook and culminates with the quote

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<v Speaker 1>peak of perfection, Homo sapiens Mickey Dora, It's easy.

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<v Speaker 6>To understand and why this is one of the most

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<v Speaker 6>collected sixties era longboard models, complete with stinging, sarcastic ad campaigns.

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<v Speaker 1>In that twenty twenty Surfboard auction, Mickey's ad campaign is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the board's biggest selling points.

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<v Speaker 6>He also promoted his signature Greg Nole surfboards to cat

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<v Speaker 6>model with full page Surf magazine ads in sixty six

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<v Speaker 6>and sixty seven, including one with Dora crucified on a

0:20:35.476 --> 0:20:39.236
<v Speaker 6>cross made of two surfboards. Dora's acts struck a nerve

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<v Speaker 6>with magazine readers, many writing letters to the editor in praise,

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<v Speaker 6>while others described him as a sick and ignorant person

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<v Speaker 6>who should be banned from the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently, the ad that showed Mickey wearing a Nazi iron

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<v Speaker 1>cross was not as offensive as his joke that he

0:20:56.356 --> 0:21:01.276
<v Speaker 1>was the Martyred Savior of surfing. But the ads worked, and.

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<v Speaker 4>They're so good and so funny and so kind of,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, middle finger to the surf establishment that you

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<v Speaker 4>forget he's trying to sell surfboards, writer Matt If you

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<v Speaker 4>just know him from that and from watching him in

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<v Speaker 4>a few clips at Malibu or Sunset Beach, it's hard

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<v Speaker 4>not to say this was the greatest surfer of all time,

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<v Speaker 4>not just for the way he rode ways, but for

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<v Speaker 4>the way he represents the sport. The rebelliousness and the

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<v Speaker 4>anti establishment vibe he's putting out seems deserved. It's going

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<v Speaker 4>toward nonsurfers and it's going to the surf establishment. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>He's really bright, and he's just putting the best possible

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<v Speaker 4>face on kind of trolling all these people that you

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<v Speaker 4>would want to troll in the world. All of us

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<v Speaker 4>do as surfers, even if we don't act out on it.

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<v Speaker 4>He did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Micky wasn't going to stop at selling a few thousand surfboards,

0:21:51.156 --> 0:21:56.036
<v Speaker 1>though his sense of the possible was expanding. This was

0:21:56.076 --> 0:22:00.956
<v Speaker 1>a man with expensive taste. Mickey's girlfriend Diane talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how they used to dress up and crash Hollywood parties,

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<v Speaker 1>then steal the credit cards of unsuspecting guests, but then

0:22:08.036 --> 0:22:12.236
<v Speaker 1>Micky asked her to steal airline tickets. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>line she wouldn't cross. Author David Renson.

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<v Speaker 7>Again, if you don't want to work, and you don't

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<v Speaker 7>have any money, and you want to put food on

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<v Speaker 7>the table, and you can't steal from the supermarket too

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<v Speaker 7>many times, or can't go to a Hollywood party and

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<v Speaker 7>have your girlfriend Diane, you know, rifle through the pocketbooks

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<v Speaker 7>and the the you know. Eventually you got to do

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<v Speaker 7>stuff to make money. And I think as time went on,

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<v Speaker 7>the scams got worse because you want to travel, so

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<v Speaker 7>there somebody steals a ticket in printing machine, you know,

0:22:50.476 --> 0:22:55.476
<v Speaker 7>and then they make some phony airline tickets. There's a

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<v Speaker 7>prevailing ethos in the serf world and other worlds where

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<v Speaker 7>artists feel they're getting ripped off by the man. Make

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<v Speaker 7>you want it to be who he wanted to be,

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<v Speaker 7>and he was willing to pay the price. But in

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<v Speaker 7>order to be who he wanted to be, he had

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<v Speaker 7>to be able to slip in and out of society.

0:23:15.556 --> 0:23:18.196
<v Speaker 7>He had to put on a tuxedo, go to a party,

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<v Speaker 7>rip some money off. He wanted the finer things.

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<v Speaker 1>Specifically, he wanted a zebra rug, a new haircut, some

0:23:28.396 --> 0:23:34.196
<v Speaker 1>items from Bullock's department store. Those checks bounced at PC

0:23:34.396 --> 0:23:37.676
<v Speaker 1>lou An Antique store at the Mandarin Hotel on Connaught

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<v Speaker 1>Road in Hong Kong. Mickey wanted a carved gilt panel

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<v Speaker 1>from the Qing dynasty and an embroidered tiger scroll. But

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<v Speaker 1>when the manager at PC Lou wrote to ask why

0:23:50.116 --> 0:23:53.076
<v Speaker 1>he had stopped payment on the check, he responded on

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<v Speaker 1>Quantas Air stationery that PanAm had lost his luggage. It

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<v Speaker 1>will take a few weeks to straighten out my claim,

0:24:00.436 --> 0:24:03.196
<v Speaker 1>he wrote to the manager. You must understand that I

0:24:03.236 --> 0:24:05.796
<v Speaker 1>not only lost the wood carvings, but a great deal

0:24:05.796 --> 0:24:10.996
<v Speaker 1>of expensive jewelry. So sorry for the embarrassment. Some of

0:24:11.036 --> 0:24:14.476
<v Speaker 1>these things would come back to haunt Mickey, but for

0:24:14.596 --> 0:24:19.796
<v Speaker 1>now he seemed able to sideslip any serious trouble. That's

0:24:19.836 --> 0:24:23.476
<v Speaker 1>not to say the cops weren't getting suspicious. In the

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<v Speaker 1>fall of nineteen sixty six, Mickey was arrested and taken

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<v Speaker 1>to the Malibu station of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.

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<v Speaker 1>The charge against him grand theft was dismissed, but he

0:24:35.356 --> 0:24:39.916
<v Speaker 1>was definitely on the cops radar. At the station, Mickey

0:24:39.916 --> 0:24:43.636
<v Speaker 1>had been booked under the name Mikil spring Chapin. He

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<v Speaker 1>gave his occupation as occasional salesman for Greg Nole Surfboards.

0:24:49.196 --> 0:24:52.036
<v Speaker 1>The answer to who to notify in case of illness

0:24:52.716 --> 0:25:09.916
<v Speaker 1>was no one, but that was about to change. Linda Kai,

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<v Speaker 1>who witnessed Mickey Dora's iconic mooning of the judges at Malibu,

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<v Speaker 1>was and as a surfer girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, I started in North Hollywood, California, and my

0:25:23.996 --> 0:25:27.356
<v Speaker 3>neighbor across the street was twelve years old. And every

0:25:27.356 --> 0:25:30.316
<v Speaker 3>morning I'd see him drive away and his Cadillac convertible

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<v Speaker 3>with this huge thing sticking out of the back. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was some kind of a ski, a water ski,

0:25:35.316 --> 0:25:38.036
<v Speaker 3>you know, I didn't know what surfing was. He showed

0:25:38.036 --> 0:25:39.596
<v Speaker 3>it to me and he says, next weekend, I'm going

0:25:39.636 --> 0:25:42.916
<v Speaker 3>to bring you down. And I said, okay. And this

0:25:43.076 --> 0:25:47.396
<v Speaker 3>was in February, in the wintertime, and in February, Malibu's

0:25:47.636 --> 0:25:50.556
<v Speaker 3>back then there was nothing, you know, there's no waves.

0:25:50.836 --> 0:25:53.956
<v Speaker 3>It was cold, you know, we don't have wetsuits then.

0:25:54.636 --> 0:25:56.956
<v Speaker 3>And I went with them and he put me out

0:25:56.996 --> 0:25:59.956
<v Speaker 3>on her twelve foot long board and pushed me into

0:25:59.956 --> 0:26:02.676
<v Speaker 3>a very tiny one foot wave and I loved it.

0:26:03.156 --> 0:26:05.516
<v Speaker 3>I said, this is the greatest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda started surfing in nineteen sixty two, and she was hooked.

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<v Speaker 3>I got involved in the Malibu Surfing Association, and then

0:26:14.956 --> 0:26:18.396
<v Speaker 3>I was also reading a lot of surfer magazines, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was noticing that there were characters in these things,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and some of them were like famous for

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<v Speaker 3>I mean famous, like there it was at Malibu, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there was characters that I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that how you found out about Mickey with

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well that was kind of a start. I've seen

0:26:38.916 --> 0:26:40.596
<v Speaker 3>him on the beach, but I didn't put two and

0:26:40.636 --> 0:26:43.716
<v Speaker 3>two together until we start talking at the meetings in

0:26:43.796 --> 0:26:48.396
<v Speaker 3>Malibu meetings, and then there was contests, and then you

0:26:48.476 --> 0:26:50.596
<v Speaker 3>start to see more of the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda was pretty hardcore. After high school, she got a

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<v Speaker 1>VW van and lived out of it at the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>She surfed all the time. In the winter of nineteen

0:27:01.796 --> 0:27:04.596
<v Speaker 1>seventy one, she was surfing at State Beach in Santa

0:27:04.636 --> 0:27:07.796
<v Speaker 1>Monica when she met Mickey Dora for real for the

0:27:07.836 --> 0:27:08.436
<v Speaker 1>first time.

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<v Speaker 3>I happened to come out of the ocean after a surf,

0:27:13.796 --> 0:27:17.436
<v Speaker 3>and he happened to be out there too, and I

0:27:17.556 --> 0:27:21.556
<v Speaker 3>was getting in my van sitting watching and he comes

0:27:21.596 --> 0:27:23.236
<v Speaker 3>out of the water and he walked up to my

0:27:23.316 --> 0:27:25.996
<v Speaker 3>van and you know, kind of pulls his wetsuit down

0:27:26.356 --> 0:27:28.676
<v Speaker 3>over his shoulders, you know, and all this tan and

0:27:28.716 --> 0:27:32.116
<v Speaker 3>this beauty and glistening and goes. Oh, he says, so

0:27:32.436 --> 0:27:36.356
<v Speaker 3>should go out sometimes, have something to eat, have to dinner. Oh.

0:27:36.396 --> 0:27:37.636
<v Speaker 3>I almost fell off the seat.

0:27:39.076 --> 0:27:43.076
<v Speaker 1>Linda was starstruck. She's been fascinated with Mickey for years,

0:27:43.556 --> 0:27:46.236
<v Speaker 1>nursing a crush that was fueled by everything she read

0:27:46.276 --> 0:27:49.196
<v Speaker 1>about him in the surf magazines and frequent sightings at

0:27:49.236 --> 0:27:53.516
<v Speaker 1>the beach. She was twenty two, he was thirty seven.

0:27:54.556 --> 0:28:00.796
<v Speaker 1>She was totally smitten. So your relationship starts and you're

0:28:01.156 --> 0:28:05.316
<v Speaker 1>living in your van at the beach and he's living.

0:28:05.756 --> 0:28:08.196
<v Speaker 3>In this little apartment in Brentwood.

0:28:09.396 --> 0:28:12.076
<v Speaker 1>And you're kind of stopping by and parking your van

0:28:12.116 --> 0:28:12.756
<v Speaker 1>out front.

0:28:12.796 --> 0:28:16.676
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes gives me the key, and what are you seeing there?

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<v Speaker 3>It was like the Cosba in Morocco. There was stuff

0:28:21.876 --> 0:28:25.996
<v Speaker 3>from everywhere. There was tiger skins on the floor, there

0:28:26.076 --> 0:28:31.436
<v Speaker 3>was big kind of bells, and he had tapestries hanging

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<v Speaker 3>from the ceilings and bear skin rugs on the bed

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<v Speaker 3>and everything was just like from somewhere else. And he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't go to Pier one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a display of worldliness, and Linda was impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>In his bedroom clicked across the top of the ceiling

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<v Speaker 3>where all these little white things dangling, and he said, Linda,

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<v Speaker 3>do you know what those are? And I said, I

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<v Speaker 3>have no idea. They were tickets. Now, back in those days,

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<v Speaker 3>airline tickets came in like a carbon copied layer of

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<v Speaker 3>maybe before pieces, depending on where you went. So he

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<v Speaker 3>had probably thirty of them taped up going up to

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<v Speaker 3>one of his lamps in the ceiling, and I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>this is interesting. You know, everything in there was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he seem like a wealthy guy to you?

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<v Speaker 3>After I saw the tickets and the way he was living,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought there must be some way to do

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<v Speaker 3>this because he wasn't working, you know. I mean he

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<v Speaker 3>was at the beach all the time and not working

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<v Speaker 3>and be able to travel. And I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, must have some money to do all this.

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey implied that he was independently wealthy with investments to

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<v Speaker 1>look after. He was always talking about the price of

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<v Speaker 1>gold and.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything had to stop because he had to listen to

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<v Speaker 3>reports when the stock market came on the radio, and

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<v Speaker 3>he used to get the Myers Letter all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>The Myers was like he was a financial genius of

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<v Speaker 3>what to do with stocks and things like that. But

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<v Speaker 3>there everything went on hold. When when when the financial

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<v Speaker 3>market came on the radio?

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<v Speaker 1>When did you have your first inkling that he was

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<v Speaker 1>running some scams in California.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about if he was running them or not,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was quite interested. He had a book called

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<v Speaker 3>Credit Cardsmanship, and I had to flick through that. And

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<v Speaker 3>then he had one called Fake, which was a Hungarian

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<v Speaker 3>artist who did perfect replicas of the great artists and

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<v Speaker 3>sold the mess the deal. And Mickey was quite interested

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<v Speaker 3>in this, you know, he liked the way there was

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<v Speaker 3>a twist, you know of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda was skinny, and Mickey taught her how to collect benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>From this date, she went to the welfare office with

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<v Speaker 1>dirt smudged on her face and pretended to be strung

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<v Speaker 1>out on LSD. She came away with food stamps and

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<v Speaker 1>a check for twenty five dollars. She liked a twist too.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda and Mickey had a connection. They both lived to surf,

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<v Speaker 1>and they both had an appetite for risk. What was

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<v Speaker 1>your love for Mickey?

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<v Speaker 3>Like deep big. You said to look at him, and

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<v Speaker 3>we were.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, so it's chemical.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just like a yeah, it's pretty heavy and dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>It was scary too, you know. It was like jumping

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<v Speaker 3>off of a mountain and not knowing what's underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on Lost Hills.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're gonna knock on the door. I see this

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<v Speaker 3>car drive up and I'm like, who the hell's up?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and I see this blonde comountains dawn. I said, Mickey,

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<v Speaker 3>don's here. He goes what he had a rifle, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had it behind the door. He picks it

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<v Speaker 3>up and just get rid of them, he said, get

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<v Speaker 3>them out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next in episode eight aka Fugitive. Lost Hills is

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