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Speaker 1: seasoned jicckets through the Portland River Halls. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Jansas and I am joined by room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys,

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Speaker 1: what is happening? Well? Hold on frankly concerned. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's that we're oh, we're all good friends. But then

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Speaker 1: like minutes before second the show begins. Seconds there is

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Speaker 1: as people know you and Wes com well together. This

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Speaker 1: you know NFL Media softball team. You're want to know

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Speaker 1: you played one game over the course three weeks. Irish

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Speaker 1: on the team too. You guys are already in fighting you,

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Speaker 1: and it's coming apart of the seams between West and

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Speaker 1: Dan and Greg and I very uncomfortable situation from Let

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Speaker 1: me let me tell you my where where this is

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Speaker 1: all coming from. I am the captain of the team,

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Speaker 1: the manager, if you will. Uh, West is not only

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Speaker 1: one of my greatest stars. You have the captain and

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Speaker 1: the manager. Yeah, I'm the name of captain Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: UM Wes is my Don Zimmer, my consigliari. UH. And

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Speaker 1: we have a roster of seventeen people, which is not easy,

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Speaker 1: way too many. And the problem um here is that

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Speaker 1: in a co ed softball league and we have a

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Speaker 1: big matchup tonight, UM against Fundamentals. Is the team tonight

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Speaker 1: at nine pm. UH, come on out to Chevy Ott

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Speaker 1: batting him third. And since it's UH, a men's and

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Speaker 1: women's team. You have to alternate spots. So West believes

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Speaker 1: be a meritocracy going forward, but I want to get

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Speaker 1: told me it's a meritocracy. I believe my performance in

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Speaker 1: home runs. I didn't realize that that's not enough for you. Well,

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Speaker 1: like nuns and children are both mashers. Whatever I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Here here's the Here's there's a lot of strategy, especially

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Speaker 1: half from every one of these conversations that are relentlessly happening. Danny.

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Speaker 1: There is what do you know about softball? There is

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Speaker 1: with all due respect, I played a plenty of softball

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Speaker 1: do that. Can you do it? Absolutely? I've never seen

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Speaker 1: The fallout following the draft, of course, and now looking

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna bring this back pre

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Speaker 1: show grade right now, guys, B plus. Wow, how did

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Speaker 1: but it is something that's going on in the newsroom.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, you had a chance to be on

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Speaker 1: the team, Mark Now, I again, I wouldn't. I would

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Speaker 1: one and O after four weeks of conversation. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: all right, see this, I could walk again. I have

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Speaker 1: to have to worry about West, I mean, is he

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Speaker 1: Mark sessor, you'll start us up again, and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: He doesn't strike me as attractive man. His hair does

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Speaker 1: so that's not a bad idea Buck Allen maybe or

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Speaker 1: Trent Richardson two thousand sixteen will solve someone's back field.

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Speaker 1: We'll say, is the n Well, what though, it's if

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Speaker 1: there's any position where if someone spends the off season

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Speaker 1: getting into shape, that's where it can have impact on

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Speaker 1: your game. Trent Richardson looks healthy. I thought you were joking.

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Speaker 1: I am not kidding. Let's move on to the NFC North,

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Speaker 1: beginning with Mark Sessler and the Green Bay Packers. Alright,

435
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Speaker 1: NFL media, you know down in our newsroom it's been

436
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Speaker 1: weirdly reticent about giving P nine d X creator Tony

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Speaker 1: Horton is due for turning Packers running back Eddie Lacey

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Speaker 1: into a slim down on field assassin. Another two part

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Speaker 1: question for you. This just gives me anxiety when I

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Speaker 1: hear this. Or alright, part one, and let's just start

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Speaker 1: right here. Give me your numbers for Eddie Lacey? Is

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Speaker 1: this thing real? Rushing yardage and touchdowns next season? Hold on,

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Speaker 1: let me look at what he did a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, because I'll probably go and say almost exactly

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Speaker 1: what he did. I'm gonna go thirteen d yards down

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Speaker 1: that is big beast. I'll go twelve hundred yards he's

447
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Speaker 1: never had twelve hundred before and ten touchdowns. I think

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Speaker 1: we're all in that ballpark. I mean I do you agree, Greg, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's about what I was going to say too. So

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Speaker 1: we're buying it. We're buying Tony Horton because well because

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Speaker 1: down in the news no no, no, no no, guys, don't

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Speaker 1: put p nine x in the headline. Now, then I

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Speaker 1: don't that take us a well? But that that doesn't

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Speaker 1: fit well with my part two questions. I don't even

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna run for twelve d yards

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Speaker 1: and you're doing nine. I want to ask you this,

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Speaker 1: why is our company, NFL Media afraid to give Tony

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Speaker 1: Horton the respect he deserves for carving Lacey into a

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Speaker 1: new age paid pigskin Demi god Dan answer, Well, he's

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Speaker 1: like a professional athlete that's been gifted with an amazing

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Speaker 1: uh body to work with in sculpt. So any trainer,

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Speaker 1: whether you're Tony Gordon or excuse me or you know,

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Speaker 1: uh Joe blow down the street at the at the

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Speaker 1: local gym, if if Eddie Lacey is is going to

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Speaker 1: be motivated. He's gonna have get in shape and then

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Speaker 1: he'll be a star runner. That's more reticence to not

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Speaker 1: give Horton credit. Was a world class athlete before they

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Speaker 1: ever met. Tony Horton. Then he fell, he fell off

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Speaker 1: the track, he was unmotivated, and then incomes Tony Horton

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Speaker 1: and just reshapes this athlete into an A plus devastation

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Speaker 1: respect Antonio forth In, But I just feel like, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: this is about Eddie Lacey is a world class athlete,

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Speaker 1: not about nd X. One of my favorite news room

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Speaker 1: subplots is it Mark wants to P sixty X like

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Speaker 1: as far as I got for five years ago, and

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Speaker 1: now Tony Morton is his favorite? Alright, right, exactly, Tim,

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Speaker 1: My point has been made in this room. Right, Who

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Speaker 1: is the only one that believed in you when you

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Speaker 1: went back on p N I d X, Well beyond

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Speaker 1: my wife who maybe didn't believe in you. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say you. You were the verbally you verbally said yes,

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Speaker 1: everyone else that this won't happen. Here's still working on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it. Here's the answer every day. You know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we can talk about his weight leting. Do we really

485
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Speaker 1: want to be giving Tim Horton all this free advertising

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Speaker 1: throughout the universe every time we bring him up. He's

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Speaker 1: got he's got great. It makes up for the blatant

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Speaker 1: lack of respect. He's been shown by our company underrated coffee,

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Speaker 1: good doughnuts. Tim Horton, he's all right, we gotta learn

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Speaker 1: from our mistakes. The chat client that shall not be

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Speaker 1: named disrespect us can't let Blair Horton do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Moving on the Detroit Lions, Chris Wesley can a team

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Speaker 1: with no stars left on the roster compete with the

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Speaker 1: Packers and Vikings. I'm gonna answer this quickly. Now. The

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Speaker 1: more I've looked at this Lions team, the more I

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Speaker 1: think that they could be in the seller and a

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Speaker 1: bad and a bad team. Now I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know that, but if you, if you, I kind of

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Speaker 1: had to feel like, okay, they'll bounce back. They just

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Speaker 1: were pretty good a couple of years ago. You know,

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Speaker 1: they have ste there's some okay things about them, and

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Speaker 1: if you really look up and down their roster, there's

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Speaker 1: not a lot to get really excited about. I think

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Speaker 1: if you're just and Dion very Levy, that's about all

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Speaker 1: and and and those guys Onset doesn't really have questions,

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Speaker 1: but he's not. I wouldn't put him in the top

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Speaker 1: five at his position yet. Levy has questions just coming

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Speaker 1: off the injury and and the rest of the roster.

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Speaker 1: To me, I mean that could be a five five

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Speaker 1: win type of team. Darius to a really good cornerback,

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Speaker 1: I should mention him. But you know who agrees with you, guys,

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Speaker 1: is Kevin Patrick, who has suffered through life as a

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Speaker 1: Lions fan and is very annoyed often. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: he's his period. You can put well, but yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: that's fair, but he's he's angry often that that he says,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Browns are worse than the Lions and

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Speaker 1: get way more attention, same with all these other teams.

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Speaker 1: He's like he and I said, but Patrick, the Lions,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree that? What is it you latch onto? He?

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Speaker 1: He would say that you don't have Calvin Johnson anymore.

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Speaker 1: Outside of Matthew sever there's just not much to market.

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Speaker 1: It's like Tate. I love Golden Tate and Marvin Jones.

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Speaker 1: That's a fine duo, but then there's nothing behind them.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Curley. I like Amir Abdulah, but I don't like

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Speaker 1: him really as your lead number one running back. And

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Speaker 1: then you look at the defense. Right now you have Answa,

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Speaker 1: but the rest of the defensive line. Not a lot

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Speaker 1: that really gets the excited way about Jim Bob Cooter,

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Speaker 1: though I forgot it like Cooter. I mean it is

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Speaker 1: Is it crazy to think that they could pick up

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Speaker 1: where they left off last season? Is it just you

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Speaker 1: strip out an aging Calvin Johnson and everything falls apart? Well,

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Speaker 1: picking up where they left off last season assumes you're

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Speaker 1: just talking about the second half. That's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the season. Ultimately, they were a team

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Speaker 1: that was a seven win team that was about until

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Speaker 1: they fired their offensive coordinator and Jim Bob Cooter rose

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Speaker 1: up to be what he is, which is a fascinating

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Speaker 1: play caller. My answer is, yes, the NFL is all

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Speaker 1: about double teams. Calvin Johnson took defensive attention away from

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Speaker 1: other players. Marvin Jones isn't doing that, and the Dominican

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Speaker 1: sue like now it's been two years or move. But

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Speaker 1: still that was a crushing loss for the franchise. They

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Speaker 1: probably were right not to give him that much money.

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Speaker 1: But I think it comes down to ultimately, with the lines,

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Speaker 1: they had a window, and in pure and classic lines world,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a big window. It was a limb little

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Speaker 1: window and they kind of got jobbed out of a

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Speaker 1: playoffs alice and then the window closed. And that's for

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Speaker 1: some franchises. Uh, looking to the guy to my right

551
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: right now, opportunities find a team again and again and again.

552
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Speaker 1: Maybe the Lions had that one window to make something,

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Speaker 1: specially what that window was. You know, when you're like

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Speaker 1: in a friends basement and if the top right by

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Speaker 1: the ceiling there's that little, tiny, tiny window that looks

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Speaker 1: up out at the backyard, that's their window and it

557
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Speaker 1: ain't opening the Chicago Bears. Here's my question, guys, are

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Speaker 1: the Bears under the radar after a nice little lost

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Speaker 1: season here both in free agency and it looks like

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Speaker 1: a pretty solid draft for Chicago? Are they under the

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Speaker 1: radar as an NFC playoff team in the making. I

562
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Speaker 1: was talking with Mark yesterday about there's not much difference

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Speaker 1: between a five or six win team, and I would

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Speaker 1: say this about the Lions too. They're not such a

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Speaker 1: bad roster that they couldn't get lucky. There's not a

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Speaker 1: big difference between a five six wing team and winning

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Speaker 1: a sneaky nine games, Like it's much harder to win

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Speaker 1: ten games year after year. Did they do that with

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Speaker 1: a few things breaking their way. Sure, why not? I

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Speaker 1: think because of the coaching that they have last year

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Speaker 1: and what they added, they could get up to five.

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Speaker 1: It's not that crazy. Doesn't John Fox sort of specialize

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Speaker 1: in that too, like the good regular season and then

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens from there. It's it's almost like

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Speaker 1: that Cutler contract really really sabotaged this team, because had

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Speaker 1: they gone out and got a young pastor like a

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Speaker 1: year or two ago, a new quarterback, with what they've

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Speaker 1: done it elsewhere on defense especially, they're like a team

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Speaker 1: of a t L candidate and West I'll tee you

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Speaker 1: up for this because that's who hangs over everything. The

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Speaker 1: one name brought up, Jake Cutler is he is He

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Speaker 1: doomed them and any every way when it comes actually

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Speaker 1: taking this team seriously, Yeah, to me, you always have

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Speaker 1: the Cutler caveat with the Bears, and they would be

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Speaker 1: my choice for team of a t L. Probably like

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Speaker 1: about them, well, you love Kevin White. I love Kevin White.

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Speaker 1: They have the most improved front seven in the league

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Speaker 1: probably and still have a guy I can't get behind

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, and I don't think most of their fan

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Speaker 1: base can get behind him. Fox heating up team of

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Speaker 1: a By the way, maybe it won't take till week

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Speaker 1: nine to make our pick this time. Ryan Hoyer, by

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Speaker 1: the way, as we know, is the backup two, and

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Speaker 1: nobody's a big Brian Hoyer fan. Uh looking at the

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Speaker 1: team to be you know, he just had his mom

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Speaker 1: playoff laws. I don't even know if his mom is

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Speaker 1: still with him anymore after what happened in Houston. But

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Speaker 1: at least they it gives them somebody to turn to

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Speaker 1: that would be proficient most likely, but not somebody who's

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Speaker 1: gonna lead you to the super Bowl. They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to overachieve to win eight games. I mean, they are

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Speaker 1: so young, and there secondary is led by you know,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Fuller and Tracy Porter still got a starting job,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't really invest draft picks in the secondary

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Speaker 1: right away. I mean they're still building this thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they could be interesting with Floyd uh Lamar Houston McPhee.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's got some fun players. We if we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get all excited about Jacksonville getting uh Dante Fowler back, um,

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Speaker 1: we should be excited about Kevin white Comb. That's an

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Speaker 1: awesome That's an awesome duo and Eddie Royal has carved

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Speaker 1: out a nice second career sort of as a legitimate SLocker.

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Speaker 1: That's a nice one too, I'd feel I'd feel even

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Speaker 1: doubly so if Adam Gates were still there. M that's true.

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Speaker 1: Little O c pop in a big spot from it.

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Speaker 1: Dawell Loggins, well, he and he Loggins. Loggins was in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland for a while, and he's the reason they drafted

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel, so I know the reason I preferred his

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Speaker 1: early work. I'm getting, I'm getting. I'm gonna hang a

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Speaker 1: little onion. I think a little later in the summer

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Speaker 1: about the two thousand sixteen season of J Cutler. Wish

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Speaker 1: me luck, guys didn't damage that already. Try that. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna go Brian Billick on us. Every every year someone

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Speaker 1: predicts will be the m v P. Alright, moving up,

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Speaker 1: It won't be me moving on. The Minnesota Vikings, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings are one of those teams you look

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Speaker 1: at and you think, Okay, maybe they take a step

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Speaker 1: back this year because you know that team that steps up.

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Speaker 1: It's tough to keep the moment there with the Packers,

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Speaker 1: but I love their their start of their draft of

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Speaker 1: Kwan Treadwell feels like filled a big need. Mackenzie Alexander

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Speaker 1: just everything I've read about him, he was a nice value.

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Speaker 1: They have a deep secondary. Am I crazy to think

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Speaker 1: the Vikings should be the favorites in the NFC North

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Speaker 1: with everything they have coming back this year? And they are.

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Speaker 1: They are the defending division champs. I do think that's

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Speaker 1: crazy because I think the Packers are a lot healthier

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Speaker 1: and a better team, A deeper team, have a much

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00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: better quarterback, and I think that's the difference. But I

639
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: do think the Vikings can be a better team and

640
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: have it not result in a better regular season one

641
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: rob one lost record. Don't The Vikings have more young

642
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: players getting better though, like Anthony Barr and Floyd and

643
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: of course Digs and Treadwell and Smith Well. You would

644
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: hope that he does get well. They gave him a

645
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: weapon he needs to get. But if he's like a

646
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: poor man's Andy Dalton and his ceiling is just not

647
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: that great, I mean, I have about favorite and that's

648
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: why I can never look past uh the Packers, because

649
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the big drop off there at

650
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: the QB position, which is the most important one. Well,

651
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: the Packers. If we're gonna talk about these teams that

652
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: get player X back, you get Jordy Nelson back, and

653
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: in theory, you're gonna get a different Eddie Lacy and

654
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: a lot of cob a lot of the issues that

655
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: were going on with Rodgers, which are well documented, how

656
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: to do with what was going on in that receiving corpse.

657
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a new team. But with Minnesota,

658
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: I think the Zimmer is sneakily like a top five

659
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: head coach. I really do. I think he's all. I

660
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: think he's He's also that their their team building process

661
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: has been, you know, spot on for the past couple

662
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: of years, and I don't think Greg is far off

663
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that if the best team in the division will see

664
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Speaker 1: will they be there right at the end? I think

665
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: they will and it won't be a fluke. Yeah, I

666
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't necessarily consider them the favor

667
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: but just looking at them, I think they should be

668
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: considered one of those NFC teams that would be a

669
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: big disappointment if they don't make the playoffs. That there's

670
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: this roster is really solid. The quarterback, whether he because

671
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: he did take a step forward in a second. No,

672
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: and they still and they still made the playoffs and

673
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: should have won a home game against a pretty good

674
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Seahawks team. Yeah, come on, second, their nature was a

675
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: third team in that, but that they You're right though

676
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: people thought would be a blow up. It wasn't a

677
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: big deal to us because they weren't gonna win the serial,

678
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: but the division was on the line, and they went

679
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: and beat the Packers. That's what happened. We all thought

680
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: that there's no way that's gonna happen, like, of course

681
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the Packers are going to be them. They didn't. The

682
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: Vikings were better, and they have a young building team

683
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: moving into a new stadium and moving in to a

684
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: new division. Guys, the NFC South and Mark Susser get

685
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: us going with the Atlanta Falcons. Well, I don't think

686
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: we talked about the Falcons a lot on this on

687
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: this show, and they still have a franchise quarterback in

688
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. You've got arguably the best receiver in the game,

689
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: and Julio Jones and various other pieces. But defend this statement.

690
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons are the most boring team in the NFL.

691
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Tell me why that's not true. Wow, because Matt Ryan's

692
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: one of the top ten quarterbacks in the league. Then

693
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: you have a top ten quarterback, you're probably more exciting

694
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: to watch. It's probably the back end of the top ten,

695
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: i'd say, but just making Fine West and I for

696
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: liking Matt Ryan too much or was that someone else? Yeah,

697
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's in the back end of the top ten.

698
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: He's not an elite league guy. But like got Julio Jones,

699
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: he started putting the top ten together. You gotta put

700
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: some pretty good names behind him. Then that's good. And

701
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think he's maybe he's twelve

702
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: and when my heart point quarter I don't know. Yeah,

703
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams with no quarterback. I don't

704
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: think I can defend. I don't think I can. But

705
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: I would say that Julio Jones is one of the

706
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: top five most fun players to watch, and Devonte Freeman

707
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: is probably one of the top five most fun running

708
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: backs to watch. And anything happened can happen in the

709
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: Georgia Dome. So who are the other options then as

710
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: the most well, I think the teams we would have

711
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: every single year, and I think Titans were there and

712
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: now we're not by the way, we hear this a lot,

713
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: and then Odell Beckham is being called new Michael Jordan's

714
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Why can't I can't wrap my head around that? LOTU

715
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: two other players in the field, and Elie is one

716
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: of the most boring quarterbacks in NFL history. I think

717
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: you could put the forty Niners right now though with

718
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly. They're not going to be boring. They're gonna

719
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: be They're going to be bored, but they're not there.

720
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to be there. Well,

721
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: they'll be fascinating for about a month. I mean, you know,

722
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: if they had plugged in some no name a coach,

723
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: that would have been absolutely the Lions and would just

724
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: talked about the Lions are kind of sneaky up there

725
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: right now, Like I've gotten past the point where I'm

726
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: excited to watch Matthew Stafford that that point has passed.

727
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: The Browns. Yeah, I mean, if you go talent level,

728
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: Brown's right at the top of that list. The Browns

729
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: one the annual winners of this award, the Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah,

730
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. They're good

731
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: and I hate, I hate to agree with you, but

732
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: they're good, Like I recognize that they're good, and yet

733
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: you're right, it's not the you know they have three

734
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: good running back don't want to be on this list.

735
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: I'd say that DeVonta Freeman. You know he had some

736
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: moments last year. I'm not gonna call Oh, he's very exciting.

737
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: He's a fun guy to watch. Hommed Sanu guy can

738
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: throw the ball. He called some of those options passes. Oh,

739
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: this team is gonna be a ball to watch. Mark,

740
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm I'm not saying that they are.

741
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying defend the statement. I think they're up in

742
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: that top five group. Absolutely could be the first team. Absolutely.

743
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Even Dome does not help. You mean, when you're when

744
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: you're pumping in fake crowd noise, you know you're making

745
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: your own state. Even when they were the number one seed,

746
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: there was a little air of boring. Boring this to them,

747
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: that's not even a word. But the thing I don't

748
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: like about the Falcons right now, Thomas de Mitchev and

749
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Jerry Reese don't take these shots at all the critics

750
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: after the draft. They're punching down. That's not what you

751
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: want to do. You shouldn't be listening he's he's all

752
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: worried that no one likes his draft. Ignore him be

753
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: defending NFC champion Carolina Panthers Chris Wesley. Panthers became the

754
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: first team in the history of the NFC South to

755
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: win this division back to back years. They've wanted three

756
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: consecutive years. Is there any team here that can possibly

757
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: stop them from winning at four insecutive years? Are they

758
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: that much better than the rest of this division? I

759
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: would struggle to pick another team right now. On May five,

760
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: Cinco de Mayo to knock off the Panthers no matter

761
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: what's happened this offseason. It's not been a great offseason

762
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: for the Panthers. But what team you're gonna get behind?

763
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I would go Tampa. They're gonna need

764
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: a Cam Newton injured in the division we're talking about, right,

765
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: I would I would never want I would go Tampa

766
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: Bay before I would go Falcons. With the Saints, the

767
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: Saints are put up. There is this potential playoff team

768
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: every year and they have been an absolute white hot

769
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: mess from multiple years. Yet they're still better than that.

770
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I think they're still better than the Bucks, and they

771
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: were better than the Bucks as a white hot mess

772
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: even a year ago. No, I think the Panthers, the

773
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Panthers deserve our respect. We know, crazier things have happened

774
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: every year than a team like the Panthers. Not defending,

775
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: but they they should be considered with the Patriots and

776
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and maybe the Packers as the teams that

777
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: we be stunned if they didn't make the playoffs. I think, well,

778
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: how are you going to disrespect the Cardinals like that?

779
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: In the Cardinals the Panthers that the Patriots have been

780
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: in seemingly for um decades now, where it's not only

781
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: are they one of the best teams in the league,

782
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: they're playing in a a division that sets them up

783
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: well for success. And I feel like every year so

784
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I think, I don't think there's anybody close to them

785
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: at this level, and I'd be surprised if they won

786
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: less than twelve games when they get to beat up

787
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: on these teams that they're superior on all year. I mean,

788
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: let's not make it like they're on some crazy big run.

789
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: They won seven games two years ago, yeah, I mean,

790
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: but the team they were on the stretch, Yeah, they

791
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: lifted off. I mean, I don't look at that them

792
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: in that way anymore. I I see them as a

793
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: legitimate superpower. You are you saying you have reservations that

794
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: they really are? No, No, I just mean it hasn't

795
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: been some long, uninterrupted, you know, run of Panther success.

796
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: To me, you're right that team they became who they

797
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: were the second half of that season. They have been

798
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: on an incredible year and a half run. And it's

799
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: with drafts like the one get Him and had, which

800
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: no one really noticed, like taking another defensive tackle Hog

801
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: Molly in the first round in Vernon Butler that on paper,

802
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: you don't even need taking three cornerbacks that you know,

803
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: two of them people didn't even know who they were.

804
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: And yet it's it works out. You have to trust

805
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: what they're doing and don't sleep on the fact that

806
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: Cam Newton one VP last year, played out of his

807
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: mind all year, and now he gets his best wide

808
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: receiver back, Kelvin Benjamin back from a c L so

809
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: their offense could potentially be better. I like a lot

810
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: of what I'm seeing here. I mean, it's it's a

811
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: good point. They get Benjamin back, their offense can be

812
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: better on paper, but they're not gonna They faced one

813
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: of the easiest past defensive schedules you'll ever see. Can

814
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line be that good again? And if not,

815
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: if Jonathan Stewart and Cameras are artists, pain really a

816
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: backfield that can get it going another year? The New

817
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. Yeah, Mark had it right. This is a

818
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: team that's been kind of floating in purgatory for a

819
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: few years now, and they made the decision they kept

820
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: Drew Drew Brees around. They ah Sean Payton wasn't going anywhere.

821
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: But I have to ask, after a draft that was

822
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: not at all compelling, only at five picks, um, what

823
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: this team have been better off just blown up the

824
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: thing and starting over. And are they just dooming them

825
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: to be, you know, the eighteenth best team in the league,

826
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: h for another couple of years and then having nothing

827
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: left becau Drew Brees is forty. You're never better off

828
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: getting rid of a franchise quarterback. That's all I have

829
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: to say about that. I think they made a mistake

830
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: signing Sean Payton to that long of a contract. I

831
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: just didn't think it was necessary. He had a couple

832
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: of years left. He leveraged a crazy situation into big money,

833
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: and like, what's the reaction going to be if they

834
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: go seven and nine again? You have this guy locked

835
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: up for four? What leverage did he have? Anyway? But

836
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: here's what did you Honestly, what was Sean Payton's leverage?

837
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Just the ownership that he made them think that he

838
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: was wanted elsewhere, I guess, and I think I think

839
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: that there are owners that would absolutely want Sean Payton

840
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: as their head coach over what they has. Not all

841
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: you get with, that's not all you get, no question

842
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: about that. And and and you're right, you don't. You

843
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: don't blow up the Drew Brees machine when he's still

844
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: a productive quarterback. But I just look at the team

845
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: building process and in this within in this city and say,

846
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: come on, I mean it feels like, you know, Mickey

847
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: Loomis would rather go sit in the Pelicans front office

848
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: and handle that situation. Here's the thing, and West, You're right,

849
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so hard to get a great quarter

850
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: let alone hall of fame guy, like not just a

851
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: franchise Quarterback's still a top six NFL quarter I got that.

852
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: But are the Saints like two years away from being

853
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: a championship contender again, I don't know if they are.

854
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: They don't see that way. The roster anyway, and by

855
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: the time two or three years hits, Drew Brees is

856
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: like forty years old. So at some point do you

857
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: make a franchise decision to gut the roster, start something

858
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: from scratching, and then hopefully find the next Drew Brees.

859
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't think the NFL works like that anymore. I

860
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: think you're almost always trying to compete, especially if you

861
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: have a quarterback. I do think they're trying to win now.

862
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: I really like their draft. I'm not a draft nick.

863
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: They were aggressive. It was kind of a win now

864
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: type of draft because they traded up for less picks,

865
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: got three guys in the first three in two rounds,

866
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: and they were huge needs. Sheldon Rankin to connor Or's boy,

867
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: seems like a very safe pick at a position they need.

868
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is a guy who's probably gonna start at

869
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: wide receiver. They have a good track record getting wide receivers,

870
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: and then Uh the safety to replace uh Jackson Bird

871
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Von Bell, who's a big hitter. I don't know. I'm

872
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of feeling that the Saints might turn it around.

873
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: At least, if only because the defense has been so

874
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: so bad, they're just bound to get the reason to

875
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: believe they're gonna be so much better on defense because

876
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to be that bad that many years in

877
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: a row. That just you're just almost bound to be

878
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: the best deal. I guess maybe that help. At least

879
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: their philosophy is in line where if you're gonna keep

880
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Drew Bees around and you're gonna keep the front of

881
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the coach and GM and part go get guys to

882
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: try to win down and cash in on this. Uh,

883
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: we'll see if it actually works. And finally, in the

884
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: NFC South, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Greg, I had a

885
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: hard time coming up with a draft question on this

886
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay team, and you you talked about boring teams.

887
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I love Jamis Winston and yet this team and I

888
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: don't know what to say about this team right now.

889
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about Winston. We haven't much this offseason.

890
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: What are your expectations for Jamis Winston in year two?

891
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: Do you think that he makes a Derek Carr Blake

892
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: Bortles type of jump? Could it be better than that,

893
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: like in Andrew Luck type of move, like how good

894
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: do we think Winston can be now? I mean, I

895
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: think he was already much better after one season than

896
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: car was after his first NFL season. And you know,

897
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: everyone thought Mary Winston was this wild card coming out

898
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: of out of college. Terms of his character, everything you

899
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: hear is different. That they love him inside the building.

900
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: He shed weight, he's gotten into excellent shape. I think

901
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna have the kind of season. I'll stick with this.

902
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: I think Tampa Bay is gonna be hanging around in

903
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: December and it's gonna be a lot to do with him.

904
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't worry about their offense. I'll worry about their defense. Um,

905
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: and that's been the case for a long time. But

906
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I like Winston and I do see kind of a

907
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: second year car Bordles thing out of him. I think

908
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people are too down on Mike Evans,

909
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: who had a lot of drops last year, but is

910
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: a phenomenal talent. And they've got a good wide receiver

911
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: corps Vincent Jackson and Austin Sefarie and Jenkins coming back,

912
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: and I really like Cameron Break their second tight end.

913
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: The backfield I think is the best in the NFL.

914
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: That's a loaded a lot of weapons fun offense. Winston

915
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: to me, I know you love Mariota, but I think

916
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: Winston has a higher ceiling right now and and maybe

917
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: long terms, I don't think there are three or four

918
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in illegally have a higher series ceiling than Mariota.

919
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: That's why I think that, right, And maybe maybe they

920
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: both have really high ceilings. There's no arguing that they're

921
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: both really talented. But I could see Winston's making a

922
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: big step up to the point where we almost overrate them,

923
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: like or maybe not overrate them, but the type of

924
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck type of second season where we start thinking, like, Wow,

925
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be one of the guys for

926
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: a while. And I'll say it, by the way, because

927
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: somebody's got to say it after the draft. If you're

928
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: a team that's had defensive issues for years and then

929
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: you invest a second round picking a kicker, and I

930
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: know this guy is supposed to be a great kicker.

931
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: Roberto Oguyo out of Florida State, the best one in years,

932
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: maybe since Janikowski. But that's that's leveraging a major part

933
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: of your draft to get a special teams player traded

934
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: up to he gave up two picks for a kicker games.

935
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's on a wild move and showed me

936
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: history where it's shown that that's maybe Janikowski, you could argue,

937
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: but other than that, it never works out. And well,

938
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: looking back, it works with Janikowski. But when when the

939
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: Jaguars did they take up Was it a punter they

940
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: took in the third round a couple of years ago. Yeah,

941
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: And it's like, whenever you do this, you're you're asking

942
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: for a pr apocalypse, so you better whether it it's tough,

943
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: it's not even like, Okay, Janikowski had a great career,

944
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: he was worth the pick. David Akers, the Eagles got

945
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: him for free, undrafted, and he had a better career

946
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: for a long time than than jan Fairness, they took

947
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: two defensive players with their first two picks, and he

948
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: probably wasn't even the riskiest second round pick. They took

949
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: Noah Spence, who was probably the number one off field

950
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: concerned just about anyone, but they decided to go for

951
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: a talented player. And finally, the NFC West begins with

952
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the Sizzler. Alright, let's go to Arizona and I have

953
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: a little something special plan for this topic. Something new

954
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: it's a question in two parts. Feels familiar. I feel

955
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: like I'm rushing to a fire seconds from the set. Listen.

956
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this is a nuclear warning. Whatever I

957
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: gotta do to get through this, all right, I want

958
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: to I want a number quickly between one and ten.

959
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: What is our P level scale on the concept of

960
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer peaking last season? Well, lane like, so if

961
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: our P level a fall off season where it's like,

962
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what I left The P level was high,

963
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: then we would be expecting the fall. Yes, higher P

964
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: level per usual would be more I I will not.

965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: I I was truly spooked by how Carson Palmer played

966
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: in the postseason last year, and I never thought it

967
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: was like a narrative connected to him, but now I

968
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: think it is. But that doesn't change what they'll do

969
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: in the regular season and a loaded roster, and he

970
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: has all these tools and his arm strength seems as

971
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: good as ever. My feeling that he goes into some

972
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: type of a big decline. I put the peace scale

973
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: at three, but I do think Carson Palmer is now

974
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: carrying around some demons, that's fair. My PEA scale is

975
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: at one. I think the Cardinals are way too loaded.

976
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: The offensive line got better, the backfield got better. I

977
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be one of the best offenses in

978
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: the league once again. Mine is a Mine is higher,

979
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: it's a six. He's been in the league for thirteen years.

980
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Last year was by far the best year. Just naturally,

981
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna think that he's gonna take a step back.

982
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: He's turning thirty seven. I'm still not over this whole

983
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: thing where guys quarterbacks that are older than thirty five

984
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: are just awesome and they stay awesome. And maybe that's

985
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: just how it is, and I should get more used

986
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: to it that Drew Brees is doing it, Tom Brady,

987
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: he's doing it, Carson, but at some point, like it's

988
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: gotta fall off pretty quick. He's turning thirty seven. All

989
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks you would site in history before, not one

990
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: of them ever worked harder in an offseason than Carson

991
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Palmer did last year. Okay, media conversation Part two, West,

992
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I think I know what your answer will be here.

993
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: Is this the best team in the NFC. I don't

994
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: care what happened in Carolina or anywhere else. Yeah, I'll

995
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: say yeah, But I think the Packers in Seahawks are

996
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: right there with him, But I'll go with the Cardinals.

997
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: I think. I mean the Panthers too. I don't. I

998
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: didn't mean to forget the Panthers, but I'll take the

999
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: I'll take the car voted conference at the top. I

1000
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: almost yeah. I think the Packers are in a perfect

1001
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: spot right now where a lot of people are gonna

1002
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: overlook them as a favorite in the NFC after having

1003
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: to carry that crown for a couple of years. Um,

1004
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: I think Arizona will be right there, but I I

1005
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: would say I would put Green Bay over both them

1006
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: and Carolina when it comes down to Seattle is gonna

1007
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: be to my number one until they prove otherwise for

1008
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: the next few years. And this is to me, the

1009
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: best free roove otherwise. Last year, if in a down

1010
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: year with a lot of things going against him, by

1011
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: the end of the year, we still thought they were

1012
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: one of the six best teams in the league. And

1013
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: you look at their roster and everyone they have signed

1014
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: forever over the last time, I think they've been the

1015
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: best franchise that we've seen over the last fifteen twenty years.

1016
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: Do they have a single offensive lineman who could start

1017
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: for another They've once they've been the best team in

1018
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: the league despite those battle lines of that. But they

1019
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: weren't the best team in the league last year. They

1020
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: were up there the l A Rams Chris Weston. So

1021
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: they go out and they make this blockbuster trade bringing

1022
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. They pick up a couple of tight ends,

1023
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: their offense should be a little better. Is this still

1024
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: a seven and nine roster on paper? You could make

1025
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: the argument that the Rams got worse this offseason, couldn't you.

1026
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: I mean, they lost two of their four players in

1027
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: the secondary, two very good players, and didn't really replace them.

1028
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: They add Jared Goff, so you're hoping Jared Goff is

1029
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: what maybe even more, maybe even better than that. But

1030
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: it's still a rookie quarterback replacing a veteran quarterback, and

1031
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 1: it's not like they made other big moves. They are

1032
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: a better team if if Todd Gurley becomes an MVP

1033
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: m VP candidate this year, because what we hear is

1034
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: that Jared Goff probably starting day one, but he's gonna

1035
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: have to get used to handing the ball off a

1036
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: Ton Gurley. If he's as dynamic and as special as

1037
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: we hear, and now he's a full year removed from

1038
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: his knee injury, no limitations. He's the key to them

1039
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: taking that next step. I think from seven nine to

1040
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: nine and seven, let's say, well, I mean, I wonder

1041
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: are they step of the franchise? Are they a better

1042
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: team today in terms of the whole roster. I have

1043
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: to argue yes, if they're if what they believed they

1044
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: were gonna had to do to change this rut they've

1045
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: been in that we've been making fun of for years,

1046
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: is to go get the quarterback. If we're gonna say

1047
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: Cleveland should have gone and done that and they're not

1048
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: going to be a good team because of that, Well

1049
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: the Rams went and did it. You have to pay

1050
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: the price. You have to pay the price, and they're

1051
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: willing to do it. And I don't think that they're

1052
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: a much worse team because they lost a couple of players.

1053
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't think they're worse. And they're convinced that they're

1054
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: on the precipice. They are really convinced of that. I

1055
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: think Jeff fish Need will be shocked if they're not

1056
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: a winning team this year. They have five offensive linemen.

1057
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Are shocked. They were shocked that Nick Foles didn't turn

1058
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: out to be a great starter. Maybe they believe the

1059
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: whole everything hanging over St. Louis, which maybe is a factor.

1060
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: That's not an easy thing for a team to go

1061
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: through last year what they went through. Now they're in

1062
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: theory in a stable more situation. They have five offensive

1063
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: linemen who are entering their second year together. Hopefully they're

1064
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: they're a little bit better. What I know, Jeff Fisher

1065
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: loves to talk about how great their young offense with

1066
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: linemen are. That was one of the worst run blocking

1067
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: lines in the league last year. That's that's fair. I

1068
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: mean you the one thing that if you go back

1069
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: your boy Belichick when he was with Cleveland before they

1070
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: moved to Baltimore, he talked about how it was yes

1071
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: eons ago probably should have that it was impossible to

1072
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: coach for that situation. And now they're probably of all

1073
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: the teams, the most celebrated by the league in terms

1074
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: of what a wonderful new splash. But they got a

1075
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: weird schedule coming up. But that's the thing. The Rams

1076
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: have a lot of things going against. Their schedule is bizarre.

1077
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: First of all, they're in the NFC West, we auld

1078
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: say is one of the hardest divisions. In the league.

1079
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: They have a tough out of division schedule. They only

1080
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: have two games in Los Angeles in the first two

1081
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: months of the season, in the first ten weeks, so

1082
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: they're either on the road or they're going to London,

1083
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: London to face the Giants before a big bye week.

1084
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: And it's just a weird thing that you should see.

1085
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: They should see our buddy Spencer over in London. By

1086
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: the way, Oh yeah, he works at Eve Mattress Spencer

1087
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: even Mattress dot com at Eve Underscore Sleep what an employee,

1088
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: Spence Bomb call him. We need to get over to

1089
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: London to I mean, we sent two of you guys

1090
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: over to London last year, but we need to get

1091
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: the whole old group for one big shows. I'm actually

1092
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: this is so important. I'm gonna stop the game for

1093
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: one second. And now you know we tried the onto

1094
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: London thing. We need to really, you know, barge into

1095
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: some offices for the Shadowy League figures and let them

1096
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: understand the foothold that our podcast has in the UK

1097
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: and that we should be brought together with our listeners

1098
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: in England for what would be a beautiful, beautiful moment.

1099
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: I think you send the entire group, because there are

1100
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: family over there, we have people in London. Last year

1101
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: couldn't have gone any better. Why not do it again?

1102
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: You would be a crime to keep us state side.

1103
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: I think we can guarantee a huge turnout and make

1104
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: this We can do this thing up right. A lot

1105
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: of people will come out for it. Does this include me?

1106
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: Of course it does. Just make it sure unless depending

1107
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: unless like they say, well you can Brandon can go,

1108
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: or you guys can sit first class, and then we

1109
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: just have to have a meeting and to make a decision.

1110
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: That's all I completely understand. Yeah, you'd get that, but

1111
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: we'll we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Brendon,

1112
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: you know we love you, irishman. All right, let's move

1113
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: on to give us give me another horn. Why don't

1114
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: you thank San Francisco forty niners question? Will this be

1115
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: the most depressing QB camp battle since Rex Grossman v.

1116
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: John Beck Washington Reds gets two thousand ten? I don't know.

1117
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I might raise you Josh McCown case, Keenum and Robert Griffin. No, no, no, nothing,

1118
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean by I keep calling uh, I keep calling

1119
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: your U C L A boy Kase Keenum, I don't

1120
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: know why. I know why. Greg. Greg just fell asleep

1121
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: during the podcast. All right. Honestly, though Colin Kaepernick hate

1122
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: supporting Niners. Colin Kaepernick cousin good In several years, Colin

1123
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: Kaprick wanted out and played his hand poorly. Now he's

1124
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: stuck there with a team that probably doesn't want him.

1125
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: Blaine Gabbett all the there's sometimes positive buzz around this guy,

1126
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: but he's still blamed Gabbert, who wasn't done a damn

1127
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: thing in this league. Pretty depressing when you look at that.

1128
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: I think it's suppressing. For the first thing you mentioned

1129
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: that any sort of enticement around the idea of Kaepernick

1130
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: and Chip Kelly finally being married together and seeing what

1131
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: would happened. There is the fact that your quarterback everyone blame.

1132
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: Gabbert has been a great leader in working his butt off,

1133
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: and that's a good way to come off of what

1134
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: was a promising season last year. And then you have Kaepernick,

1135
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: whose entire offseason effort has been trying to get out

1136
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: of town and play somewhere else he's been doing. But

1137
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: there was a picture that floated around on the internet

1138
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I don't know. If you

1139
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: guys saw it where Kaepernick looked like he was about

1140
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty five pounds, Well, he hasn't been

1141
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: able to lift any weights. He's coming off major shoulder surgery.

1142
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: So he wonder if he's gonna be ready like to

1143
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: be somebody that can compete for a starting job. That's

1144
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: a major question. You wonder if John Elway was aware

1145
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: of that as well as you've heard me say I

1146
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: couldn't lift weights for a year, and I mean I

1147
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: I know how it feels not to be able to

1148
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: do you're not in anywhere near your shape unique. Well

1149
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: he can now he's are gotten back. He's already throwing

1150
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: the ball, and it's going to take a while. It's

1151
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: may it'll take a while. It is a depressing battle,

1152
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: it is. It is a depressing thing for forty Niners

1153
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: fans to just have so much faith in chip Kelly

1154
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: that it can generate offense. They didn't take any wide receivers,

1155
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: I think in part because chip Kelly thinks he can

1156
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: manufacture yards without a wide receiver. But their number two

1157
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver right now is Quentin Patton well or or

1158
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: either that or chip Kelly was not heard in the

1159
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: draft froom because he had a history in Philadelphia drafting

1160
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: receivers higher in the draft. Now he had to get

1161
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: rid of some to Sean Jackson too, but he addressed

1162
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: the position and then they did nothing. And like I

1163
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: got attacked by Niners fans for saying, oh, you don't

1164
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: get it, Like, we've got a lot of depth of receiver.

1165
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: We got a lot of players. We don't know if

1166
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: any of them complain they don't have any depth. They

1167
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: have a lot of bodies. I'm not saying depth. There's

1168
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: every team has ten receivers exactly. Like it's like practically

1169
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: every team has a lot of Like Bruce Ellington and

1170
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: Jerome Simpson are probably there three and four right now.

1171
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: That's the worst in the league. Forts fans might be

1172
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: the most delusional in the NFL right now. Really well,

1173
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: they've also been complete over the last two seasons. Off seasons,

1174
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: absolutely sideswiped, and I kind of like to believe where

1175
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: they are. I kind of like their friend seven though

1176
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: adding the Forrest Buckner to it, it's not a bad

1177
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: friend seven. They have that to build off theoretically. And finally, Greg,

1178
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: your boys, the Seahawks, the Seahawks. Oh, the Seahawks, Gregg,

1179
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: it's not prepared. Question obviously checked out of the spot

1180
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: about four minutes ago. That is so, that is so

1181
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: not true. All you know, have two minutes and forty

1182
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: eight seconds. You've achieved that. What else? I think the

1183
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: Seahawks drafted a couple of starters. You know, they're not

1184
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: big names. They always draft guys that no one's ever

1185
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: heard of. Not no one's ever heard of. But they're

1186
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: like surprising picks. A fetty Jaren Reid, who you wrote

1187
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: a scorcher about Snow's tackle. I was gonna bring up,

1188
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: is this is this still the best roster and the

1189
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: best team in the NFC, because that's what I believe.

1190
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: When you have a defense that's been together, that my

1191
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: and everyone signed long term and and they're getting better

1192
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: in theory, Like to me, they are the favorites. Why

1193
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't they be. Why are they a better roster than

1194
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. I don't understand the question when you put

1195
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: still in there because they weren't last year. You keep

1196
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: acting like the Seahawks for the best team in the league.

1197
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't just think about that. The

1198
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: NFL starts where last year leaves off. I value the

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: last three or four years more. But they to me,

1200
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: they're like the Bullies. They were down like thirty one

1201
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: nothing at halftime in the NFC Divisional playoffs. I know

1202
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: they made a nice comeback, but there was there was

1203
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: a case to be made that they had already kind

1204
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: of uh, these other teams have passed them by, and

1205
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, I guess my My thought is their four

1206
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: year run has been incredible, and the last year to me,

1207
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: with the raster that they have, feels like, okay, that

1208
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: was their down year. There they've turned into, uh, at

1209
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: least as good of a version of the Patriots, where

1210
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: in a down year you're competitive in a divisional round game.

1211
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: What's better about him? This year they lost their only

1212
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: two veteran offensive lineman, the Russell Wilson's getting better. Well,

1213
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: you've lost mors Can Russell Wilson, who was one of

1214
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: the best players in the league. He was amazed to

1215
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: another level. None of us is disrespecting the Seahawks. We

1216
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: all see them as the top five NFL team, I think,

1217
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: but I don't think you can say that they're automatically

1218
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: better than the Panthers and Cardinals right now, they're in

1219
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: the mix. They just feel like the safest, the safe

1220
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: group of of those teams. With Bennett, Avril Wagner, Thomas Sherman,

1221
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like the Sea. I don't know if they're underrated,

1222
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: but I feel like the run that they've had over

1223
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: the last four years is almost underrated because they've only

1224
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: gotten one title. Lot. You're right. I think you talked

1225
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: about the NFC is very top heavy right now, and

1226
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: they're probably not the sexiest story. They way the way

1227
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: they were two years ago too. Yet they deserve the

1228
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt because they are a top five team.

1229
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: We all agree it there. It would be a surprise

1230
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: if they aren't in the NFC championship games. So yeah,

1231
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: things break a little differently you could. You're right, they're

1232
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: a better team. They haven't had the best drafts lately,

1233
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: But I gotta I don't know why. I have a

1234
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: feeling these guys are gonna play right away. They getting

1235
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: They drafted two running backs, Alex Collins and c J. Process,

1236
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell you a lot about and yet

1237
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys will probably wind up having a

1238
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: big factor into the should be the third down back.

1239
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: He came into college as a wide receiver. Um, I

1240
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: think I think they're expecting him to take that Fred

1241
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: Jackson Robert Turbin rule, don't forget Kristin Michael, Let's see you.

1242
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: I think they forgot him. Thomas Rawls is a big

1243
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: part of all this yet, but it has to be

1244
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: said that that Russell Wilson was the best quarterback in

1245
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: the league. Probably in the last what ten weeks of

1246
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: the season. He shredded everything. He was right there with Camy.

1247
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean well in the whole passing game, which people

1248
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: didn't think much of, completely turned it on. Doug Baldwin,

1249
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, I think a lot of

1250
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: people overlooked a little bit, myself included, showed that he

1251
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: was he had a chance to be a star. With

1252
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: this type of quarterback, it gets better, maybe, Paul Richards.

1253
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean this this team that's gonna score a lot

1254
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: of points. It looks like uh or have the ability

1255
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: to score a lot of points. And the defense, that's

1256
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: what we already know what the d Jimmy Graham like

1257
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: three quarters of what he wasn't. Well, that's the one

1258
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: thing they do. They keep swinging for the fences with

1259
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: these trades for veterans and then they don't fit in

1260
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: their offense. We've got to see that. That's it. We

1261
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: went around the NFC in approximately forty eight minutes, maybe

1262
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: forty nine, but it was very close either way, and

1263
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: you guys should all be proud of yourselves for that.

1264
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: So give yourselves a round of A plus. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: don't be shy, okay, I mean, don't clap too loud.

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Speaker 1: You'll wait, Greg up, what is this? What is that?

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Speaker 1: What happened at the end? There is the energy at

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Speaker 1: the end, the energy that's not true. Well, we love

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Speaker 1: having you here every show. We will be back. We'll

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Speaker 1: have three shows next week. Um, the league might be

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Speaker 1: in hibernation, but not the Around the NFL podcast, uh

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Speaker 1: so make sure you check it out. I'll be back

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Speaker 1: on Monday with another show. Until then this and we'll

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Speaker 1: give you a update on the softball situation. I hope

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Speaker 1: put it this way, a good manager slash captain he

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Speaker 1: wants his best player to stick it to him in

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Speaker 1: a spot like that. So West does it proves the

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Speaker 1: maxim that two things people just can't stop hearing about

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Speaker 1: co ed softball leagues in your fantasy football. So this

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Speaker 1: this team has too many leaks. There's too much in

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Speaker 1: fighting there. I need to see some cohesion and production

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Speaker 1: for a change. The Bronx is burning. This is Dan

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Speaker 1: hands is signing off four quiet storm the Mailman leadoff hitter.

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Speaker 1: I want you moving people along and watch it bunting.

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Speaker 1: I want it all button soft and the Irish by

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Speaker 1: the glass the next league. Mm hmm that inside humph,

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Speaker 1: that inside h