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Speaker 2: Not great? I think you and I have both had

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm uh yeah. I would say that this is

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Speaker 1: I think the first recording that we're doing where my

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Speaker 1: She has crossed over the rainbow bridge, as they say.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where that term comes from.

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Speaker 1: Is that literally it? Dude?

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Speaker 1: it is an easier thing to say than like I

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so it is not Mario Kart related.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for clarifying that. I have obviously been extremely sad

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Speaker 2: Like there's the little dog capital of the world.

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Speaker 1: And she was like thriving there. Like in West Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, you are listening to Dear Movies, I Love you.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a

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Speaker 1: relationship with the cinema. My name is Millie. To Jericho,

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Speaker 1: my name is Casey O'Brien, and yes, we are talking

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Speaker 2: I think they moved from Seattle out into the woods

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00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: for a teaching job and something happens where they get

434
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: kind of cursed with this. They're like their bodies are

435
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: like attracted to each other and they're like literally like

436
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: sticking to each other and they're like being pulled to

437
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: each other. Ah, it felt good. I thought it was good, okay,

438
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: but it did feel like a very kind of a

439
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: twenty four. It felt like there were parts in it

440
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: that we had seen in other movies. It so a

441
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: little bit ahead Hereditary, a little bit of Midsommer, a

442
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: little bit of Brian Usena's Society. Have we've elverdy seen

443
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: that movie Society? Okay? So that was I enjoyed it,

444
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: but I think I gave it three stars on Letterbox.

445
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: Then we watched Clear and Present Danger with Harrison Ford

446
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety four about doctor Jack Ryan, and I

447
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: think I wanted to watch something about the government where

448
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: there's like a good man in the government that will

449
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: deliver justice.

450
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Speaker 1: Sure.

451
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love Harrison Ford and I had a

452
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: great time. I've never seen this before, so it's like

453
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Speaker 2: two and a half hours long, though I had to

454
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Speaker 2: break it up into two two sittings.

455
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Speaker 1: It feels like anything that's based on Tom Clancy is

456
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: going to be at least a good ninety minutes, if

457
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Speaker 1: not longer.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, what's your perfect movie length?

459
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Speaker 1: Oh, I've talked about this before. You have my perfect

460
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: movie length, to be honest, is seventy five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Seventy five minutes.

462
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, seventy five to eighty two minutes is like

463
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Speaker 1: real nice.

464
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Speaker 2: Eighty two that's mine. I was going to say, eighty two, Wow,

465
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: my perfect number. If I see that, you get it,

466
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: you get an automatic star that's like a star bonus

467
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: on letterbox. I know you don't do the Star system, but.

468
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Speaker 1: Well, can I tell you as a programmer that has

469
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Speaker 1: to fill time all the time, Yeah, it's really you know,

470
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Speaker 1: like when I worked at TCM, for example, we didn't

471
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Speaker 1: have commercials, so anything that we programmed went to the

472
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Speaker 1: quarter hour, right, and you wanted to leave a little

473
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Speaker 1: time in between. So you know, you really have like

474
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Speaker 1: a space of six minutes that you'd want to like

475
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Speaker 1: give in between the films. And I would lent a

476
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Speaker 1: seventy five minute movie because that's an hour and fifteen minutes,

477
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: and so you would just round up to an hour

478
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: thirty and then you would program a bunch of hour

479
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: and thirty minute films and it would perfectly time out

480
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Speaker 1: the day, right.

481
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: Love that.

482
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: It was always a nightmare when you get into like

483
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: the two forties or the two thirty seven's and you're

484
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: just like, fuck, I hate shit like this. Or alternately,

485
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Speaker 1: a movie's like fifty you know, like fifteen minutes, or

486
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, like something like a random increment of

487
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: time that doesn't like round nicely into a twenty four

488
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: hour schedule used to driving nuts. So anyway, I always

489
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Speaker 1: am a big fan of a seventy five minute film

490
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Speaker 1: because of being a programmer.

491
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Speaker 2: So I see, I see, very good. Good to know.

492
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: That's a good tip to all the young filmmakers up there. Yeah, anyways,

493
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: let's close up the diary.

494
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Speaker 1: Wow, don't squish me?

495
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on to our main discussion. Yes, no other choice.

496
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Speaker 2: From twenty twenty five by Park Chan Wook. Screenplay by

497
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Speaker 2: Park chen Wook, Lee Young Me, Don mckeller, Lee J. High.

498
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: This is based off the book The Acts by Donald Westlake.

499
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: It is a comedy thriller, horror, dark comedy. Themes capitalism, masculinity,

500
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: family secrets. Standout actors Leeb Young Hun, who is the

501
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: masked man in Squid Game in the first season. I

502
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: haven't seen any of the other seasons of Squid Game,

503
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: but apparently he's a bigger part of those.

504
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Y oh yeah, you kidding.

505
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: Me. Have you seen these subsequent Have you seen all

506
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Speaker 2: the seasons of Squid Game?

507
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, wow, there are. My mom was the one

508
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: that got me to watch them. I think I talked

509
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: about that about how she's a big Yeah, I hadn't

510
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: watched any of them. And then I remember being my parents'

511
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: house for the holidays or something, and this is little

512
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: while ago. She was like, I've seen every episode of

513
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: the Squid Game, Like what the hell is your problem?

514
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Like what why you?

515
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: That's so fun?

516
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I watched She rewatched them with me, which

517
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I thought was really sweet. So I'm yeah, I'm in.

518
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: And also he plays Gee maw in Kate Pop Demon Hunters.

519
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Yes, leeb ho so that that's right. A movie we've

520
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: discussed on this show. But this movie is directed by

521
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: Park Chan Wook, who is kind of one of those

522
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys out there. He's one of

523
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: those real he's a guy. You know, he's one of

524
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: those cinephile lover boys out there, wouldn't you say? Yeah?

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00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean I think that he's probably the other really

526
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: famous South Korean director besides Bong June Hoe. Right.

527
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

528
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: In fact, I think a lot of people get them confused.

529
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: That's interesting. It's interesting and racist.

530
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding.

531
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think their movies are very different.

532
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: Well.

533
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: It's funny because I when I was telling people, oh,

534
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to see the new Park Chen Moe, no

535
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: other choice, They're like, oh, I love snow Piercer, and

536
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm like that, that's the other guy. That's the other

537
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: guy again.

538
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: So I feel like the other Korean filmmaker that kind

539
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: of gets tossed in there is Lee Chang Dong. But

540
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: his movies are much sadder. Oh yeah, I.

541
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Mean that's like I watched U Burning. That was the

542
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: why I fucking loved it.

543
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: So uh. But Park Chen Wok some of his big

544
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: movies are Decision to Leave, which came out in twenty

545
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: twenty two. Old Boy is probably his most famous movie. Yes,

546
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: he also did Lady Vengeance, Sympathy for Mister Vengeance, the Handmaiden.

547
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: He's got quite a few popular titles out there. What's

548
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: your personal connection to him or this movie.

549
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm a fan. I saw a Decision

550
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: to Leave at when it came out at Fantastic Fest

551
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: in Austin, and Park Chan Wuk was there, uh, and

552
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: I remember my old I say my old colleague as if,

553
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: because you know, I was on the board of AGFA,

554
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: the American Genre of Film Archive for a while and

555
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: the head of the board is Tim Lee, who used

556
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Speaker 1: to run Almo draft House, but he was the He

557
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: uh hosted the screening of Decision to Leave, and then

558
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Speaker 1: I remember he gave Park Chan woke like this wrestling

559
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: belt that he had had made and it was, you know,

560
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: like a w w F giant wrestling belt, and I

561
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: just was like, what is happening right now? It was

562
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: very because I was like, is this like an insight

563
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: joke might have been I mean, there's you know, but

564
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Speaker 1: I but I remember like it.

565
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Speaker 2: Was parkch like, what is no.

566
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Speaker 1: I think it was like we had an interpreter with

567
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Speaker 1: it on stage. I did think there was maybe something

568
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: lost in American translation about the whole thing, but I

569
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: was like, this is so fucking weird.

570
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for your large American golden built Tim League.

571
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Speaker 1: Well, they have fun, I guess, but I thought Decisions

572
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Lee was really great. So I don't know, and I

573
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: like old boy. That's pretty much the extent of my

574
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: personal connection though. What about you.

575
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only seen Old Boy. That's the only Park

576
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: Chan Wook movie and uh no, their choice obviously, but

577
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 2: he's he's one of those guys those names that gets

578
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: bandied about. I need to watch more of his movies

579
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: because everyone loves his films. Him. His movies are a

580
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: little darker than Bong June Ho's, I would say.

581
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Speaker 1: I agree. I think they're more Baldrunho has like a

582
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: level of like fantastical in him, like oakjas. Just think

583
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: about oak Ja, you know, or whatever like that.

584
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't think nicky oh yeah, see ye.

585
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, I do think Park Chenwick is a little bit

586
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: more based based.

587
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the shitheads guy. He would be like

588
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: the real shithead would like love this dude, you.

589
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Know, but not as face as Lee Changkong. He's the

590
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: most based out of the current famous Korean directors.

591
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, well, you know, since this is a

592
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: new movie, I don't want to We're not gonna like

593
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: totally spoil the ending, but we are going to get

594
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: into a lot of this movie, so but I don't

595
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: think we'll spoil it. Cool the ending? Does that sound okay? Milly?

596
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

597
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: Of course. Our main character is Man Suh he's played

598
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 2: by Lee Junghun, who is the guy in squid Game.

599
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: And he's a family man. He's a career paper guy.

600
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: He works in specialty paper. He knows everything about paper.

601
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: He's a paper guy. He has a wife, Miri played

602
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: by Sony Jin, a teenage step son see One played

603
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 2: by Wusung Kim, and a cello prodigy young daughter. She's

604
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: like eight. I would say her name is Rewe and

605
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: she's played by so young. So you Choie and Mansu

606
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: our main dude. You know, he loves paper, he loves

607
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: his life. He's got a nice house, he bought his

608
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: old house, his parents house where he grew up. And

609
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: life is good until it's not until he gets laid off.

610
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: And once he gets laid off, all hell breaks loose. Now, Millie,

611
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: in your notes here, you said you felt this layoff

612
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: in your bones. Can you elaborate on that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I can't. Ah, You're setting me up

614
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: for an entire movie about a dude who has a

615
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: very specialized craft that is unlike a lot of other jobs.

616
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: He dedicates his entire young life to the same company

617
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: twenty years and then gets laid off unceremoniously. I think

618
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: I can relate to that. Sure, sure, I think it

619
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: the exact same thing happened to me. So yeah, I

620
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: mean a minute, the minute I figured out what this

621
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: movie was about, I was fucking locked in. I was like, oh,

622
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm here for this guy. I know this guy. This

623
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: guy is me and I know that he the actor

624
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: Leeb Jonghan, is in his fifties, but he looks younger

625
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: than me, which is amazing to be.

626
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: Real, he looks younger than me. I'm thirty eight years old.

627
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: He looks like he's five years younger than me.

628
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the Korean skincare that they got and

629
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: we don't have or we don't have the time for, frankly,

630
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: because it's many steps. Yes, but he looks incredible and

631
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: like and it's funny because for the most part, like

632
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the film, he it's kind

633
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: of this funny little you know, he's like grilling out

634
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: and he's got his little Hawaiian shirt on and his

635
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: like little tiny mustache. So he has this like little

636
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: tiny mustache throughout the you know, first third of the film,

637
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: which I guess technically makes him look older, but he

638
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: still looks younger than Casey.

639
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to make I mean honestly that you do.

640
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he was in his fifties and

641
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: you're telling me that. I'm kind of pissed off right now.

642
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so good, incredibly handsome, and I don't know.

643
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: So it's I hate it. I hate when people are

644
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: eternally useful.

645
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: But didn't this movie really? I feel like, and this

646
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: isn't an insult to the movie, but I feel like

647
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: this movie really took its time because I just feel

648
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: like there was like like I was never bored, but

649
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: like this barbecue scene takes like twenty five minutes and

650
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: it's basically just like, isn't life good? We're grill and eel,

651
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: I love my family. Get over here, let's hug family. Come,

652
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: let's hug like it really is. We're really simmering in

653
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: this scene.

654
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh. I have a lot more to say about that

655
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: as we get towards the end of the film, because

656
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: I feel like this is an this is endemic of

657
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: a parch Head Rooke film. So I will talk about

658
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: that in just a second.

659
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: But okay, do you think.

660
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting too? By the way, that the first of all,

661
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: what I was reading very briefly about this movie, A

662
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of people were comparing it to Parasites, which is,

663
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, the Bong Jun home movie that came out

664
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: a few years ago and is both allegedly and is

665
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the most the greatest movie of all time from whoever

666
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: created that.

667
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: List the New York Times, Oh, the New York Times.

668
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's probably the most famous

669
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: South Grande movie ever at this point.

670
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I would definitely say so.

671
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: And I will say also towards the you know, the

672
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: other Korean directors that I've seen, they tend to make

673
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: a lot of movies about class and you know, capitalism,

674
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: which of course I fucking appreciate that shit. But it

675
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: was funny because I did think about this when I

676
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: was starting in the movie. It was like, oh, this

677
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: is supposed to be kind of like Parasite, and I

678
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: see where they're going with this. Did you think it

679
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: was interesting that maybe like people were comparing it to Parasite, Like.

680
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could totally see why, because I mean, tonally,

681
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: it actually feels this movie does I would say, feels

682
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: similar to Parasite, and that it is a dark comedy

683
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: and there's kind of a game to this movie in

684
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: the way that there's sort of a game to Parasite.

685
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: You know, in Parasite they're like deceiving this rich family,

686
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: and that we'll get into what the sort of game

687
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: of this movie is. But it also I feel like

688
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: this the house in this movie is a character. I

689
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: feel yes, and the house in Parasite was a character.

690
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: So that was where I sort of saw similarities as well.

691
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking too.

692
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: But anyway, i'd ask.

693
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to move on to the next section here.

694
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: So he's he's not getting a job. He's applying to places,

695
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: and like Milly said, it's like a specialty job. He's

696
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: in specialty paper, and he's high up in specialty paper,

697
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: and it's hard to get a job. So he defined

698
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: Mansou devises a plan. He basically he creates a fake

699
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: paper company and he puts out a call to say

700
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: he's hiring and hiring basically for what his job would be.

701
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: And so he gets all these applications of like all

702
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: the top guys out there so he can see who

703
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: his competition is, and he sort of decides there are

704
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: really only three guys out there who would ever get

705
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: hired above me, Like if all four of us applied

706
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: for a job, these three guys would get it above me,

707
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: and so I must kill them. So that's his plan.

708
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: He's going to kill the people that are more hireable

709
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: than him, which is three dudes, and then you know,

710
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: per his plan, maybe he'll probably get a job that

711
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: he interviews for, although it's not really like a super

712
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: solid there's no guarantee that this will work even if

713
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: he eliminates these three guys.

714
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that there's some details tucked in.

715
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: There are two that involve one of the other characters,

716
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: this guy Sanchol, who was played by park He Soon,

717
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: who was like he kind of has the job that

718
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: he wants, but is also kind of spun it into

719
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: this influencer thing and it becomes its like I think

720
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: at some point the Parky Soon character is like, God,

721
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm working a lot. I got to hire somebody to

722
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: help me, and this, you know, like basically Mansu Lebyong

723
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: Hun's character is like, oh fuck, I gotta get in there,

724
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: like I want, I need to be this kind of person,

725
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: like I need to be like not just the employee,

726
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: but like the paper influencer guy on TikTok.

727
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it kind of like.

728
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: I think, internalizes all of that is to be like, Okay,

729
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: well I need to like eradicate anybody else that could

730
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: be this person, you know. And because I'm sliding in

731
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: and I just think that component, little tiny detail is

732
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: interesting because it does feel like the influencer part of

733
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: it is interesting to me.

734
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: Why do you think they picked paper, specialty paper as

735
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: it just seems so it reminded did I was thinking

736
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: of the office. I can't help it. I was thinking

737
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: of the office. But well, and then I wrote it this.

738
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: I wrote this, I wrote the notes. I wrote in

739
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: the notes, Millie makes Casey realize that paper is important.

740
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: And here's why I think that this is actually a

741
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: perfect industry to talk about in this film, because paper

742
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: is in a lot of ways kind of an old

743
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: school concept. If you think about how everything is so

744
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: digitized and you know, fucking you know, everything's in the cloud,

745
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: everything is a shared doc. You know. Yeah, paper, weirdly enough,

746
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: feels like vinyl or it feels like, you know, like

747
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: a bygone product. And so I think that that's I

748
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: don't know if it was intentional in the book or

749
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: in this movie to focus it on the paper industry specifically,

750
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it feels like, Okay, here's a

751
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: bunch of like older guys who work in this like

752
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: dying industry that nobody appreciates anymore, and they're like artisans

753
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: of it, and they know everything about it, and they're

754
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: trying to like legitimize it still being like well, how

755
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: do you sign, you know, a receipt without paper? Or

756
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: like how do you do all these things? You know?

757
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: And they're like championing this old school fucking thing that

758
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: we used to all.

759
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: Use.

760
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: It's like this invisible fabric of so many things. It's like,

761
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember the exact example, but like,

762
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: for example, they're basically saying in this movie, who the

763
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: fuck do you think comes up with the paper that

764
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: you removed from a band aid when you put a

765
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: fucking band aid on? That's what I do. This is

766
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: what I you know, like is like invisible essentials that

767
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: nobody gives a shit about it anymore. And they're all like, oh,

768
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: this is our lives, this is what afforded me this

769
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: life and this family in this house. I can kind

770
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: of sympathize with that in a way, because I mean, fuck,

771
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: I worked in classic film for twenty years and I

772
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: was constantly running around being like, but you wouldn't have

773
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: snow Piercer or whatever without this, or you wouldn't have

774
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: the Marvel movies without this, And it just felt like

775
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: I was this old fuddy duddy loser that was, you know,

776
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: championing this like dying thing. And this is I think

777
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: what the movie is about is that I think that

778
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: that's what he's being told, at least in his mind,

779
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: about his thing that he's loved for twenty years.

780
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, so well, the first guy that

781
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: he kills attempts to kill is Beyond Mo played by

782
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: Lee Sung. Men love this character great. He's a drunk

783
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: and he's out of work too. He's an out of

784
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: work paper guy, but he loves Vinyl. And this is

785
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: to your point, It's like he cares about the old textures,

786
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: he cares about the old things, and he sees their

787
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: way as like a their way of life as sort

788
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: of dying. So Mansue, he's going to go kill this guy,

789
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: but he like keeps watching it. And this is also

790
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: a part of the movie where I'm like, Wow, we're

791
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: really taking our time. He keeps like messing up this killing.

792
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: So in the midst of this murder attempt, this vinyl

793
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: loving beyond Mo discovers that his wife, lee Ahrah played

794
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: by young Hairan. His wife is having an affair with

795
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: a young dude. So the drunk vinyl guy discovers his

796
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 2: wife is having an affair with a young dude Mansue.

797
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: While this is happening, Mansu goes to kill him, and

798
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: the wife discovers that her husband discovers that she's having

799
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: an affair. She ends up finishing the job. She ends

800
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: up killing this guy kind of for Mansue and covering

801
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: it up so that her and her young lover can

802
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: be together. Did that make sense? Does it does? So

803
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: he's killed, so the first guy down. And I think

804
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: it is the whole movie is interesting because it is

805
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: about men. Because there is sort of a runner in

806
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: the movie where they're like, why don't you get a

807
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: job at a cafe? And they're like, huh, why would

808
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: I giver get a job at a cafe. I'm a paperman,

809
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: you know. I do think it's about like men would

810
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: rather kill their competition, like kill a man to get

811
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: their old job back, rather than like learn a new skill.

812
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, his wife, our main character's wife becomes a

813
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: dental hygienist even though she didn't have to work before.

814
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: You know, she's more flexible, but men are much more

815
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: inflexible when it comes to that type of stuff.

816
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's several things happening obviously. Number one,

817
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: I feel like we're talking about Asian culture mm hmm,

818
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: which has its own you know, philosophy is about pride

819
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: and shame and stuff like that, right, especially Korean culture,

820
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: which I'm not like an expert on obviously, but I

821
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: do know that it's a it's a thing. I mean,

822
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: even Filipino culture. It's like people don't want to seem like,

823
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: you know, they're shame, they're being shamed or they're trying

824
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: to save face a lot of times. And I I I, so,

825
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I feel like there's this that is kind of simmering

826
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: in this mix, right. But it's also that, like I

827
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: do think it's a it's a patriarchy thing, which again

828
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: is also an Asian culture thing. It's you know, like

829
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: it's pretty patriarchal still, and there is probably a lot

830
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: of like stubborn pride about you know, like while I

831
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: was making this level of money and I had this

832
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: much power, and there's no fucking way I'm going back

833
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: to like eating shit, right, Yeah, But I also have

834
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: to say to that end and to maybe a third thing,

835
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: which is that I experience that I think when I

836
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: was laid off from my job, yeah, because I mean

837
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: I think when it's down to absolute survival mode, Yeah,

838
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm working in a fucking cafe. I don't give a shit.

839
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever it takes, right, And what I was

840
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: unemployed for as long as I was, I was literally

841
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: taking every opportunity I could, like a lot of it

842
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: was film related, thankfully, But if somebody was like, hey,

843
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: do you want to work at cracker Barrel, I'd probably

844
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: be like, fuck yeah, Like I'll do that, like I have.

845
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: I have to make money to survive. It's just way

846
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: it is, right. But I do know people in my

847
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: you know who in your travels and your unemployment travels,

848
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: and you meet all your coworkers or whoever has also

849
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: been laid off, and you guys are in this kind

850
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: of like together of people who are trying to find jobs.

851
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: And I'm still in that crew, by the way, Like

852
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: you don't ever not an entertainment. You got to keep

853
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: on top of everybody because everyone's it is unpredictable if

854
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: you'll have a job in film and TV at this point.

855
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: But a lot of people that I know that are

856
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: similar to you know, the Man's suit character. That's like,

857
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't want I have to continue working in my industry,

858
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: like it's the only thing that I know and I

859
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: have a lot of pride in it. And I think

860
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: that that is a hard thing to come to terms with.

861
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: Is like when in your brain, in a specialized worker brain,

862
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, I've done this thing with integrity

863
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: and love and honesty. I have a lot of pride

864
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: in it. I've done it for twenty years. I can't

865
00:51:54,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: imagine working as a dental hygienist or whatever. It's really

866
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: hard to get to that point of thinking, like even

867
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: to go back to school and try to do something different.

868
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: That is extremely hard for people who have been in

869
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: the same job for so long. So I kind of

870
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: felt for him in that way, Like as much as

871
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm also like, Okay, your dude, get over it, like

872
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: go and help your family out and don't be too

873
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: stubborn about it, I also understood the other side, which

874
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: is like, it's really hard to see yourself in any

875
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: other way when you've done something for as long as

876
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: you have, you know what I mean?

877
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely.

878
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. So beyond Mo the Lesungman character,

879
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: he'd drank a lot m probably affecting his marriage.

880
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: I would say definitely. I mean, she's having an affair

881
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: with a young man.

882
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: He there was a one point where he decides to

883
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: get a shit together and he's cring out all his

884
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: sogier bottles. I was concerned for him, did you not?

885
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe that played into Mansu's ability to

886
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: kill him because he was like, well, his liver must

887
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: be absolutely destroyed by now, you know, all right victim too.

888
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: See Joe, he's a shoe salesman. This was like more

889
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: of a killing. He shot him and then he like

890
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: wrapped him up in wire and buried him in his backyard.

891
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 2: It's fucked up. During this time, Merie, who is Mansou's wife,

892
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: is really getting suspicious, like something is going on. You're

893
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: like interviewing at night. What is happening? Why are you

894
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: out all hours of the day, Why are you filthy?

895
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: Why are you bleeding? Any thoughts on this little section

896
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: the victim, the shoe salesman.

897
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I it was funny because I was thinking, Okay,

898
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: so here is an exist ample of this paper guy,

899
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: a paper guy that has made a transition, that has

900
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: gone gone to shoes, the world of shoes, and he

901
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: mentions that he works for commission, And so I wanted

902
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: to ask, have you ever had a job or you

903
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: worked for commission before?

904
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: No, I have not. I've never been in sales of

905
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: any kind like that.

906
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a pyramid scheme. I'm just gonna throw

907
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: that out there, but I uh, and I'm maybe not

908
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: really knowing the details of how a pyramid scheme works.

909
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: I just love I love the term. But I have

910
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: worked for commission before, and it fucking sucks, Like I'm

911
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: just like.

912
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: It.

913
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, this is why the most sufferable people can

914
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: work in the sales industry, because it requires this like

915
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: level of bullshit and enthusiasm and outgoingness that even me,

916
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have that I would be I

917
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: would consider myself an extrovert, and I still would fucking

918
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: fail at commission based work because it's just like, I

919
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like a fucking grift, and it's like

920
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: this weird feeling of like your base salary, like they

921
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: always tell you when you get hired for those jobs.

922
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about like the shit that I worked

923
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: in like college. I'm not talking about whatever. There may

924
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: be other sales jobs that pay very lucratively and are

925
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: very successful, but the shit that I did when I

926
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: was working for Commission, it was always like, well, we're

927
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: going to pay you like a dollar a month, but

928
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to make two million dollars an

929
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: hour if you're just really good, and you know, it's

930
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: just like the whole thing required. It's like working for tips,

931
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: but in an even more extreme way. And then you

932
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: would get bonuses if you've got over a certain amount

933
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: of percentage and this shit, and I'm just like that

934
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: is fucked up. Like I don't like working like that.

935
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it requires. I'm a very sensitive person,

936
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: and I feel like if I felt like I was

937
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: annoying somebody, I could I would be like, oh, step backs,

938
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: like would everything in my body would tell me to retreat,

939
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: you know. And I feel like when you're working in

940
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: sales in that capacity, you kind of have to turn

941
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: off that censor within you.

942
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: Well, and I'll just tell you too. I was actually

943
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: in one of my jobs when it was a commission

944
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: based job. I was actually an assistant manager for this

945
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: company that paid employees on commission, right, and like it

946
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: is rife with fucking fraud. Like there's this one dude

947
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: that worked at the company who was like much much

948
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: older than us. Like the rest of us we were

949
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: all in our twenties and this guy was in his

950
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: like forties, late forties, early fifties, and he was fucking

951
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: banking commission Like I couldn't understand it. I was like, yeah,

952
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: this guy's like a fucking you know, oh he's like

953
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: a little tap dancer. But I don't know how is

954
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: he able to make this much in commissions like a

955
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: month after month. Come to find out many many years later,

956
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean he was basically fucking faking it, like he

957
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: was like out there. Like I mean, I worked at

958
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: a company that did like marketing research, and a lot

959
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: of it was you know, you had to call people

960
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: and you know, like asked them if they liked fucking

961
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: tide pods and shit, and he was just like make

962
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: up names and phone numbers and making falsify results, so

963
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: he would get like, you know, all these different you know,

964
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: quote unquote like clients or whatever in a day. That's

965
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: why he was fucking rolling in it because he was lying.

966
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: So I'm just sort of like, okay, well, like that

967
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: system of reward is so easily manipulated anyway. Yeah, so

968
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: all this is say, poor see Joe, because he is

969
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: a shoe salesman and doesn't want to be and then

970
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: he ends up.

971
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: He made me sad on the side of the road,

972
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: up in.

973
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: A garden and then in a garden. So tell me

974
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: about the rotten tooth thing from your perspective.

975
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: Well, I've had a lot of teeth problems in my life,

976
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: and I felt that I didn't like that he had

977
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: a rotten tooth. It's kind of a runner in this

978
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: movie that he has a tooth problem, a rotting tooth,

979
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: and his wife is a dental hygienist, and the dentist

980
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: she works for is like, hey, I heard you have

981
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: a bad tooth. Come in. I'll fix it for you

982
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: for free, I think, and he still refuses refuses to

983
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: get it fixed.

984
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's because that dentist was flirting with his wife.

985
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: Well, wife was hot. I don't know what to tell you.

986
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: This is this is that's the deal. I don't know.

987
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: You are telling me that if a dentist, if your

988
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: tooth was rotting out of your fucking face, and the

989
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: only dentist who would do it for free. As a guy,

990
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: that was like trying to hit on Trish all the time.

991
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: You're telling me that, Like, you'd be like, cool, let

992
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: me let me get out of this guy's thumb.

993
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: I would be like one, I'm a weenie. I would

994
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: I would be totally fine. I'm like, whatever Tricia needs

995
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: to do to get me a get get my tooth fixed,

996
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm fine. Whatever she's comfortable with. I would not. That

997
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: would not bother me at all.

998
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: You would a decent proposal her casey that is rough.

999
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: That is rough only if she was, uh, you know,

1000
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: willing and happy to do so.

1001
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: But get my husband a tooth. I'll do anything I

1002
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: have to do. What's the next victim? Like?

1003
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: Then, no, it's the nearing the end. He's finished his

1004
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: two victims. Only one person is in his way, and

1005
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: that is this annoying TikTok influencer paper influencer Guy Sanchu

1006
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: played by parkis Soon so man soon befriends this guy

1007
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: and gets him drunk. He like kind of uh, pops

1008
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: out of nowhere and surprises him and he's like, hey,

1009
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: let's get a drink at your house. And he's like, okay,

1010
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: you've got alcohol. And they get blasted, or I should

1011
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: say Sianchu gets blasted. Man Sue is a recovering alcoholic,

1012
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: and alcoholism is a big thing in this movie. But

1013
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: he gets Sanchou drunk and he shoves a bunch of

1014
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: meat and alcohol down his start to make it look

1015
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: like he died by choking on his own vomit. During

1016
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: this time, Mansu's wife Miri discovers the guy's body in

1017
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: the garden, and he kind of discovers the whole plot

1018
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 2: of his plan to kill these guys. And now theoretically

1019
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: Mansu has gotten rid of all the papermen who are

1020
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: in his way, so we'll see what happens. I won't

1021
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: spoil what happens, but he's gotten rid of all them,

1022
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: all of his nemeses are out of his way, so

1023
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: he should get a job.

1024
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting this whole section the end of the

1025
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: film without revealing the actual end of the film. You know,

1026
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: the man Sue character is really into gardening and has

1027
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: a green house in his beautiful house that he's trying

1028
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: to keep even though he can't find a job, and

1029
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: employs a lot of like gardening tactics in his in

1030
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: his murders, which yes, it's very interesting to me. And

1031
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: then I kept thinking, like because I like gardening too,

1032
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, gardeners could really kill somebody and

1033
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: never and none would be the wiser. They just really

1034
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: have that skills.

1035
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: He got shovels, they got dirt, they could bury people. Yeah,

1036
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: they know how to break down roots, Like it's like

1037
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: come on. So I was kind of like, damn, that's crazy.

1038
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: Why aren't all Gardner's murderers.

1039
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: But the thing about the PARKI student character of this

1040
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: like obnoxious influencer, because again I think it all ties

1041
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: back to this like idea of this being a paper guy,

1042
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: like an old school paper guy. There's a heritage to

1043
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: it and a craft to it that I think that

1044
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, all these guys are proud of and they

1045
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: have worked there for so long and have inherited.

1046
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: This, like.

1047
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, this like way of making things that

1048
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: they that people need that they don't know that they

1049
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: need and that they love, and they have a lot

1050
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: of pride and all this stuff, and so it's kind

1051
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: of like this sonial character is kind of like the

1052
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: new paper guy, where it's like, Okay, I work in paper,

1053
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: but it's like, really, I'm an influencer and I'm traveling around,

1054
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, acting as if I'm like the king of paper,

1055
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm making my money on the side

1056
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: from doing that. And then it, you know, as it

1057
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: gets revealed he's got this incredible fucking cottage or whatever

1058
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: that he's you know, living in a very very much

1059
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: reminded me for people who have seen hated rivalry. It

1060
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: was kind of like a I'm coming to the cottage

1061
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: type of thing, like it was a very fancy cottage

1062
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: in the woods right that they go.

1063
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 2: I didn't understand that reference, but I think people are

1064
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: very excited that you said.

1065
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: If you know, you know, okay, but you know that yeah,

1066
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: but you know it's that thing of like, Okay, here's

1067
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: this like fancy place that they're having drinks and and

1068
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: he's like looking around being like, well, fuck, I mean,

1069
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: this guy's got it made. And you know, how come

1070
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm unemployed and fuck this is you know, it's just

1071
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of like adding to the drama of it all.

1072
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm saying he should have killed

1073
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: the guy. And by the way, I didn't realize this

1074
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: is how how this is exactly how you make somebody

1075
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: feel like they've choked on their own vomit. It was

1076
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: very gross.

1077
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: It was gross.

1078
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I mean, I guess again, we're dancing

1079
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: around the ending of the film. I think we should

1080
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: probably stop here.

1081
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: It is interesting with the character Man too, though. There

1082
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: isn't any trepidation about like can I really kill a man?

1083
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 2: There's none of that. He's just like, well I should, Yeah,

1084
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill these guys.

1085
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: Well, I think he goes back to the titular phrase

1086
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: no other choice, there's no other choice, no other choice,

1087
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: Gotta do it, and like, hey, this is how he

1088
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: fucking psyches himself up to do it. Is He's like,

1089
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: no other choice, no other choice. And when you're put

1090
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: up against the wall like that, you do anything, right, Yeah,

1091
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: no other choice.

1092
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: So well, there is a lot about alcoholism in this movie.

1093
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, how And I do think that

1094
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: alcoholism is an issue in South Korea and everywhere and

1095
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: in business particularly, you know, so it is kind of

1096
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: like weaponized in this movie. I mean there's the vinyl

1097
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: loving guy who's like drinking all the soju, and then

1098
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: our main guy, man Sue, he apparently like hit his

1099
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: kids when he was drunk, you know, prior to giving

1100
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: it up. And I don't know, did you think that

1101
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: was interesting that there was so much commentary about alcoholism

1102
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: in this movie.

1103
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I figured it was part of the

1104
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: general vibe of unemployments is to drink a lot. But

1105
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: then yeah, maybe it being a specifically Korean male thing, right, Yeah,

1106
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: have you ever gone Do you eat like Korean food,

1107
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: Kate barbecue? Do you drink Korean beer? Like, what's your

1108
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: what's your take on crean alcohol?

1109
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: By the way, I lived in Ktown for a number

1110
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: of years in Los Angeles, So, which if you don't

1111
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: know about Koreatown in LA it is like an ethnic

1112
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: enclave within the city limits of Los Angeles. It's kind

1113
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: of near downtown. It's this huge urban area and it

1114
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: does feel like you're in Korea. I mean it feels

1115
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: it's like, really, Korean culture is so alive in this place.

1116
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: I would say Korean food is maybe my favorite food. Yeah,

1117
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: I love Korean barbecue. I love sundobu tofu soup I love. Yeah,

1118
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: I love Korean food yeah so much. And yeah, I

1119
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: like Korean beer too. I usually have hyped.

1120
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a so mech before? No, it's

1121
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to think of some I guess

1122
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: it would kind of be like an Irish slammer in

1123
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: a way, because it's basically pouring a shot of soju

1124
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: into a beer kind of sounds good.

1125
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 4: I have.

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01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: There's a Korean pump bar down the street from my

1127
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: house that serves delicious, great food but also cheap so

1128
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: mix and so basically you get like a little glass

1129
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: of cast that's the other Grean beer I knows, Cast,

1130
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: and then you get a little sojiu thing and I

1131
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: don't know, there is probably a specific way to do it,

1132
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: but it's like you probably you just pour the I

1133
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you'd like drop the shot into the

1134
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: beer and hug it. I actually have done it that way,

1135
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: like an Irish slammer. Way super fun. But I've also

1136
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: done the little just like little sippy whippies of you know,

1137
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: pouring the soju into the beer. But let me tell

1138
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: you that shit erases my brain anytime, Like holy shit, dude,

1139
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: like was it for my birthday or like something?

1140
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1141
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: We went to we went there to the to There

1142
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: punk bar in my neighborhood and had a couple of

1143
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: those fuckers, and I swear to god, I was fucked up.

1144
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: Like I was like, wow, I've only had like two

1145
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: or three of these and I'm ready like don't even

1146
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: remember who I am. And idiots like how was I

1147
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: born today?

1148
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. You woke up working for a specialty paper.

1149
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: I was like, I have no idea what's going on?

1150
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: But it was. But anyway, all of that's to say, yeah,

1151
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: I just felt like there was a lot Yeah to

1152
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: your point, I'm just gonna say, to your point, there's

1153
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: a lot of drinking in this movie, and it did

1154
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 1: make me think about getting drunk off Korean spirits and whatnot.

1155
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: So can I give you a little here's a little

1156
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 2: food hack that Trisha, my wife taught me. So Korean

1157
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: ramen instant ramen is really good. Hell yeah, have you

1158
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: ever had like Korean instant ramen like bulldock? I'm not

1159
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: sure about that one, but we would have one called

1160
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: it's like by the company nung Shim. It's called Shin

1161
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 2: black noodle soup. Yeah, it's like better than top ramen.

1162
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: It's like really good to garbage compared to this. It's

1163
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: like way better than this. But here's the trick. It

1164
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 2: is actually spicy. You make it, you throw a piece

1165
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: of American cheese on top of it, and then it

1166
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: melts and you mix it all up. It makes the

1167
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: broth kind of creamy. It's delicious. It is fucking delicious.

1168
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have fucked with Bulldog four cheese ramen. Okay,

1169
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: now it comes with the little fire sauce packet or whatever.

1170
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 1: Extremely spicy, Like I only do like a small dab

1171
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: to be honest. But then it's like, yeah I will,

1172
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: I will fucking make that shit and then put some

1173
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: like pork belly or something, you know, like mix it

1174
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: in with other things. Delicious, delicious, I'm hungry. I know

1175
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: I want ramen.

1176
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: Now that sounds really good. Well, anyways, really loved this

1177
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: movie and I thought it was really great, really smart.

1178
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean I would put it up there with Parasite

1179
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: in terms of black comedies from Korea about capitalism.

1180
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll wrap up what I was hinting at earlier

1181
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: about please the endings of Perk Channel Work movies, because

1182
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: I felt like this was the way that decision to

1183
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,879
Speaker 1: leave was as well, where I feel like the movie

1184
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: has several opportunities to end and then it doesn't.

1185
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: It felt like the end of Lord of the Rings

1186
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: Return of the King. I was like, oh, I thought

1187
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: that I thought it was over, but it's not.

1188
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: Actually, I know, and I was like, trust me, I

1189
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: get it. There are a lot of good ideas here.

1190
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different ways to end this. But

1191
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 1: sometimes I felt like, again I felt this with decision

1192
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: to leave. I'm like, Okay, here's a good spot to end,

1193
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: and then it just kept going here, you know. So

1194
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I feel like to your earlier

1195
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: point about the pacing, I feel like maybe that is

1196
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: something that's endemic of pork Chadwick movies, is the idea

1197
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: that there's just a lot going on and he doesn't

1198
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 1: want to cut anything.

1199
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: No, it's certainly there are some scenes where I was like, wow,

1200
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: this scene is still going on, and I was never bored. Yeah,

1201
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: but it did not feel like a typical movie where

1202
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, we've gotten the information, we can move on. Yeah,

1203
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 2: they don't move on.

1204
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: And I guess to the ultimate point about it being

1205
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: compared to Parasite. To be honest, I think I like

1206
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: it better than Parasite.

1207
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

1208
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I know that's uh controversial, but chet

1209
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: I thought it was fun than Parasite. And maybe that's

1210
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: just because I feel like I don't know, I just

1211
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: think that the reality is is that I love Lee

1212
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: Bung Hung so much, like I think he's super charming

1213
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,879
Speaker 1: and funny, and he really gets to be super funny

1214
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: in this movie that it just was like, oh yeah,

1215
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: I fuck with this and all the other characters like

1216
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the scenes with LEAs Sung men or

1217
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: the best in the movie, they were so fun and

1218
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: like slapstick and just fucking like going for it that

1219
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this is great. This really

1220
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: And I feel like, ultimately I know that both movies

1221
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: both this would be in Parasite. Maybe we should even

1222
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: be comparing them to begin with, but I'm just doing

1223
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: it because I had heard the comparison obviously. Sure, I

1224
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: feel like this movie I had a lot more skin

1225
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 1: in the game because it was about layoffs and it

1226
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: was about working in a spa hwized field and having

1227
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: pride and all these things. Of course, I was like

1228
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: this right up my fucking alley. Definitely my life experience,

1229
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: so I kind of had more emotional and investment in sure,

1230
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 1: no other choice.

1231
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a very broad, sweeping generalization that's

1232
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: probably incorrect. There's something about, you know, a lot of

1233
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: foreign films, I think comedy is hard to translate. Like

1234
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 2: I've never laughed at a French film, but I feel

1235
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: like South Korean cinema I find very funny and I'm

1236
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: actually laughing, and I don't know, I feel like it's

1237
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 2: one of the few non English speaking countries that I

1238
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: actually think the movies the comedy translates well to American audiences,

1239
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: and I think that's why Parasite was so successful. But

1240
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm I just find that kind of interesting curious.

1241
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think that they're down to clown.

1242
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: I think they got they like their comic timing is

1243
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: a lot similar to American comic timing. Does that make sense?

1244
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: Like it kind of feels like it's part I mean,

1245
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: I won't say everything. I mean I have seen like

1246
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: Korean variety shows and talk shows and stuff that it

1247
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of veers off into like the cute territory, which

1248
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: I feel like is not. An American comedy tradition is

1249
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: to be cute funny.

1250
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but well unless we're talking about Casey O'Brien, host

1251
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 2: of Deer Movies.

1252
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: The cutest, funniest comedian out out in the streets right now,

1253
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: Casey O'Brien. But like, you know what I mean, American

1254
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: humor is much darker. Yeah, And it feels like maybe

1255
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: that's why, like, because these are kind of dark comedies, right,

1256
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: and so maybe it just hits, you know, and we

1257
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: get it and it's funny and versus French, what is

1258
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: French humor about? What's the what's the groundwork for French humor?

1259
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: That's a great question.

1260
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: Fucking smoking, smoking, being topless on the beach.

1261
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: Eating a bag yet I.

1262
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: Don't know pantomime, Jerry Lewis, you.

1263
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, I feel like French I've seen

1264
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: some French comedies and I'm like, what that's not funny?

1265
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's they got nothing on Irish humor. That's what

1266
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: we talked about, the darkest of the humors.

1267
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: Love my Irish brethren. Uh, all right, well that was

1268
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 2: no other choice. And now it is time for our

1269
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 2: chat with Morgan Evans on his area of expertise, Linda

1270
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 2: Fiorentino and the Last Seduction. All right, everybody, it's another

1271
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: installment of my area of expertise and we have a

1272
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: great expert on the show today. It is the co writer,

1273
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: direct and producer of the new movie micro Budget. We

1274
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 2: have Morgan Evans on the show. Welcome Morgan, Hey, thank

1275
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: you so much for having me. I'm really excited to

1276
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 2: do this. I just watched micro Budget and I really

1277
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I actually, uh directed a movie, my first

1278
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 2: feature this year, so it was definitely triggering watching the movie.

1279
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: And it was when my wife wasn't pregnant, but she

1280
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: we had a one year old baby, so it was

1281
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: sort of that balance that the main character, Terry is

1282
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 2: going through. I just wanted to ask you when you

1283
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 2: were making you know, making a movie is kind of

1284
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 2: it's always painful to some degree, even when it's like fun.

1285
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm sure you've gotten asked this already,

1286
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: but were there moments when you were making micro Budget

1287
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: where you were like, Okay, the reality is too close

1288
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 2: to the content of the movie we're making. Oh, is

1289
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: there any moments like that?

1290
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 4: Oh? So many.

1291
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 3: I mean, first, so for those of you who don't know,

1292
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: micro budget is like a fake documentary documentary about a

1293
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 3: really toxic guy making an independent film with a very

1294
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 3: diverse crew and a cast and a crew who just

1295
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: hates him and he just sticks his foot in his

1296
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 3: mouth for like an hour and a half and he

1297
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 3: has no money and no idea what he's doing. That's

1298
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 3: the short pitch for it.

1299
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 2: So yes, I mean my wife when we watched it together,

1300
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: she was like, I hate this man. Yeah, she said

1301
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 2: that out loud, so.

1302
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's pretty bad. Yeah there.

1303
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 3: You know, the movies about a toxic set, but our

1304
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 3: actual set was very pleasurable, like wonderful experience, Like everybody

1305
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 3: felt really great and you know, nobody was getting you know,

1306
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 3: their feelings hurt or anything. But in terms of like

1307
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 3: the overlap there for sure, like I lived at the

1308
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 3: house we were shooting in while we were making it,

1309
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 3: which is real crazy. You know, the whole movie was

1310
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 3: paid for with like my credit cards, which is a

1311
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 3: big plot point in the movie. So there was a

1312
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that started to bleed in where I

1313
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I really hope I'm not like Terry

1314
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: in real life, but yeah, it's unavoidable when you make

1315
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 3: a movie about a movie.

1316
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: You know, Terry is such an incompetent person and an

1317
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: incompetent director, and I feel like when you're directing some things,

1318
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: a lot of well, for me, I'm talking from my

1319
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 2: own personal experience, it can be very easy to be like,

1320
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: are people going along with my vision?

1321
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 3: Here?

1322
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 2: Are people like looking at me as an incompetent idiot?

1323
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: And I have those thoughts outside of just you know,

1324
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: you know, just working on a movie. But if you're

1325
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: working on a movie that's about an incompetent filmmaker, was

1326
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: there any concern that people were going to draw comparisons

1327
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: between the two of you while you were making the movie,

1328
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: Not that you are an incompetent person, but just you know,

1329
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 2: naturally those sort of insecurities come up.

1330
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, especially like just in terms of Wow,

1331
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 3: I hope when this comes out it's good so that

1332
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 3: people don't feel like I was incompetent and oh yeah,

1333
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 3: I made a movie about an incompetent guy. Incompetently that

1334
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 3: would not be great. But I think people are pretty

1335
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 3: happy with the movie so far. So let's just hope that.

1336
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, very much a concern.

1337
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: I loved it. I really enjoyed Like, I thought it

1338
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: was really funny. I thought it was really accurate to

1339
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 2: the filmmaking process. Like one of my favorite parts is

1340
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: there's a that I feel like I recognized just from

1341
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: being on so many low budget movies, was sometimes filming

1342
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 2: just stops because because everyone thinks they're waiting on somebody

1343
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 2: else to do something. And there's a point in the

1344
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: movie where I feel like John Gabris's characters like, why wait,

1345
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: why aren't we filming right now? Because there's no real

1346
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: reason why they're not continuing to film. But that does

1347
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: just happen on like low budget projects where it's like, wait,

1348
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: why are we stopping? Oh, I have no idea, let's

1349
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: keep making the movie.

1350
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1351
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: I thought we were waiting on art and arts, like

1352
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 3: I thought we were waiting on wardrobe and wardrobe, like

1353
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 3: I thought we were waiting on sound.

1354
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 4: And then everybody realizes nobody's waiting on.

1355
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 2: It, No one's waiting on anybody. Yeah. Well, the reason

1356
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 2: we brought you in today was to talk about your

1357
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: area of expertise, and the one you pitched was the

1358
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: movie the Last Seduction and Linda Fiorentino in general. Yeah,

1359
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 2: what is it about The Last Seduction? Let's start with

1360
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: The Last Seduction first. What you said, you've been really

1361
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 2: into that movie lately. What is it about that movie

1362
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: that you're.

1363
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, I'm I love that movie. I love John

1364
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: Doll movies. I think they're like criminally underrated. You know,

1365
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure how they were perceived at the time,

1366
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: but I think in retrospect now, like knowing what we

1367
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 3: know about where the business ended up and how those

1368
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: mid budget films just completely evaporated from the marketplace, for me,

1369
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 3: it feels like a thing that we're currently missing today,

1370
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: and especially with these like very strong female lead in

1371
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 3: the hands of Linda Fiortino, who's absolutely amazing in it.

1372
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 3: So there, you know, it's kind of this amazing neo noir,

1373
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 3: contemporary noir film that also doesn't feel like it's referencing

1374
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties or sixties at all, which I find

1375
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 3: really really interesting. Like she's a theem fatale, but in

1376
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 3: a very like contemporary way for the time, as opposed

1377
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 3: to playing it, you know, like Gloria Graham or something

1378
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 3: like She's got her own spin on it, and it's

1379
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 3: this very like nineties take on what that would be.

1380
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 3: And I think that's just a really smart thing. The

1381
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: way I kind of got into Linda Fiortino is a

1382
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 3: weird backwards story.

1383
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 4: I can get into a little bit if you want

1384
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 4: to hear.

1385
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Please.

1386
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 3: I just I'm the biggest Gary Shandling fan in the world.

1387
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 3: I just think that Gary Shandling is the coolest, was

1388
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 3: the funniest guy ever. I love Larry Sanders Show. Obviously,

1389
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 3: micro Budget is so inspired by Larry Sanders Show, and

1390
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: just over the course of like learning about Gary and

1391
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 3: just exploring the nooks and crannies of his life, you

1392
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 3: eventually arrive at this trial that happened in two thousand

1393
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 3: and eight with Anthony Pilicano, who was a Hollywood fixer.

1394
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it.

1395
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So he was this Hollywood fixer, private investigator

1396
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 3: type guy, and Gary was essentially forgetting me if I

1397
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 3: get any of this wrong, But he was suing his manager,

1398
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: Brad Gray of Brillstein Gray Entertainment, due to the fact

1399
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 3: that Gray had kind of been double dipping, like he

1400
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 3: was taking a percentage of, you know, a commission from

1401
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 3: Gary's salary on the show, but he was also a

1402
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,879
Speaker 3: producer on the show and taking money, you know, directly

1403
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: from HBO. And Gary realized it was you know, hundreds

1404
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 3: of millions of dollars and sued for like one hundred

1405
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 3: million dollars. And Gary at the time was like very

1406
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 3: paranoid thinking that his phones were being tapped and bugged

1407
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 3: and he was being watched and he was being followed.

1408
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 3: And then of course this trial comes out and we

1409
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 3: find out, yeah, Anthony Pelicana was bugging everybody like he

1410
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 3: was bugging sliced alone.

1411
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 4: And there was a Hollywood reporter, reporter who he like

1412
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 4: smashed her windshield and left a dead fish in her

1413
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 4: car with like a rose and a note that said stop.

1414
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 4: And sure enough, yeah, Gary was being bugged.

1415
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 3: And then you know, at the bottom of that wiki,

1416
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 3: it just like on a late night deep dive, it

1417
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 3: was like and Linda Fiorentino and I was like the

1418
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 3: woman who was like my sexual awakening when I saw

1419
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 3: her in Minute Black when I was seven, Like what,

1420
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 3: you know, how is she involved in this? And it

1421
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 3: was like she had a romantic relationship with Anthony Pellicano

1422
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 3: and she I guess I suppose allegedly this is what occurred,

1423
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: and it sounds like it's straight out of a Linda

1424
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: of Fiorentino movie, is that she was now having a

1425
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 3: relationship with the FBI investigator on the case and getting

1426
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 3: information from him that she was handing over to Anthony

1427
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 3: and his defense team.

1428
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 4: So, I mean, that's a nineties thriller right there.

1429
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it got it got Rosini, the FBI agent,

1430
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 2: he pleaded he had to. He was charged and he

1431
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to illegally accessing FBI computers and he resigned

1432
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: from the FBI as a result of this. And it's

1433
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 2: just it is so insane, especially if you see the

1434
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 2: Last Seduction, because it seems like something her character would

1435
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: do in that movie. I mean, it's it's absolutely wild.

1436
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nuts. And so I heard all about that.

1437
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 3: I obviously I grew up. I'm born in nineteen ninety one,

1438
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 3: so like Men in Black was huge for me. That

1439
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 3: was such a big movie for me. She's so amazing

1440
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 3: in it. I mean she's only in like a couple scenes,

1441
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 3: and yet it's so memorable. And then of course Dogma,

1442
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 3: you know, right around the same time, and she really

1443
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 3: carries that movie and so I think I had just

1444
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 3: like been a fan of Linda Fiorantino without realizing like

1445
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 3: how big of a fan I was. And so when

1446
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 3: I got older and like we started reading about this stuff,

1447
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 3: I was like, I should see some of her other movies.

1448
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 3: And I watched Last Seduction and I was just like

1449
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 3: knocked on my ass, you know, I couldn't believe how

1450
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 3: good it was.

1451
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she is like such an interesting person

1452
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: in general. I mean, you know, the Anthony Pilicano case

1453
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 2: is obviously like fascinating, but also she's very much she

1454
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: has an edge to her as an actor that you

1455
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: don't see in actresses then or now, and as a person.

1456
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 2: She was kind of like it seemed like she could

1457
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 2: kind of take her leave acting. Yeah, Like I know,

1458
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: she she kind of took a break in the late

1459
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: eighties for a while and then came back to it.

1460
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: And there was this interview with her where they were like,

1461
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: what would you do if you couldn't act, and she

1462
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: basically was like, I would be totally fine. I would

1463
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: do something else, Like yeah, it's not like life or

1464
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 2: death to her, And I mean it is like unfortunate

1465
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,799
Speaker 2: that like she hasn't worked in like fifteen or hasn't

1466
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: acted in fifteen years?

1467
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that there's the reason I wanted

1468
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 3: to talk about her. Was that really to talk about

1469
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 3: the Anthony Pilicana thing? I think, I really do think

1470
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 3: it has more to do with, like, I feel like

1471
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 3: she got a bad rap in a way that is

1472
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 3: deeply misogynistic. Like I feel like she got labeled very

1473
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: early on, like as difficult to work with, and it's like,

1474
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry she's in that movie with like Pete Burgh,

1475
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 3: like she's acting opposite Tommy Lee Jones, Like you don't

1476
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 3: men are difficult to work with all the time, you know,

1477
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 3: which is what.

1478
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:56,759
Speaker 4: My movie's about.

1479
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 3: And yet they succeed and they fail upwards and it's fine,

1480
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 3: you know, but the second it's a kind of a

1481
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: woman sticking up for themselves on a set, it's like,

1482
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 3: you know, oh, that's the worst thing you could ever

1483
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 3: possibly do. And that's the vibe I get from her career.

1484
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 4: Now.

1485
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 3: Whether or not that's the reason she hasn't worked or

1486
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 3: this legal drama, yeah, who knows, Or maybe she just

1487
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 3: chose to retire of her own volition. But the stuff

1488
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 3: that happened, you know, with men and black is really

1489
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 3: sad in my opinion, and also what ended up happening

1490
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 3: with kind of Dogma and everything too, can.

1491
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: You, like, can you touch upon a little bit of

1492
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: those things just in case people don't know?

1493
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 4: Sure?

1494
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, obviously Linda is in Men and Black.

1495
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 3: She's really great in it. And if you remember that

1496
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 3: movie at all, like the very last scene just sets

1497
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 3: up that it's going to be her and Will Smith,

1498
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 3: that's the new team. Like Tommy Lee Jones probably didn't

1499
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 3: want to do more of these. They probably got him

1500
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: for one, they were thinking and then they were setting

1501
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 3: up that she would be Agent l I think, and

1502
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: and it was gonna be yeah for Linda, So it's

1503
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 3: gonna be her and Jay at the end of that movie.

1504
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 3: And then when it was time to start developing the

1505
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 3: second one, you know, and this is just what I've

1506
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 3: read from the press. I don't have any inside information

1507
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 3: here or anything, but is that Tommy Lee Jones was like,

1508
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to work with her, and his return

1509
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 3: to the franchise was contingent on her not being involved.

1510
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: And then yeah, yeah, and around the same time, you know,

1511
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,600
Speaker 3: she did Dogma and Kevin Smith said, I actually like

1512
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 3: pulled some quotes here, like claimed that his experience working

1513
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 3: with her was that she created crisis and trauma and anguish.

1514
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 3: She created drama while we were making a comedy. And

1515
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 3: this is from Collider. He accused her of dodging promotional

1516
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: duties because a poster with her head was photoshopped into

1517
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 3: someone else's body. Now, the other thing about that is

1518
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 3: that they photoshopped her head onto like a woman with

1519
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 3: her like boobs out. Rich Field like, you should be

1520
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 3: able to get like upset about it, and he later

1521
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 3: like a backtrack that apologized. It was like, I don't

1522
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 3: think I.

1523
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 2: Should have said I read this whole thing that Kevin

1524
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: Smith kind of was like because apparently during the commentary

1525
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 2: of Dogma Too or there was some conversation with why

1526
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: am I blanking on her name? The comedian. Yeah, he

1527
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 2: was like, he was like, oh, you should have been

1528
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: the lead of Dogma. And I think that got back

1529
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: to Linda Fiorantino, and he he has better. He has

1530
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: since then been like I was like I was in

1531
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: the wrong, and like apologized publicly kind of like to

1532
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,480
Speaker 2: Linda Fiorentino, and apparently they like reconnected or something and

1533
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 2: have made amends. About all that. But yeah, I read

1534
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: that same stuff that Tommy Lee Jones was like, which

1535
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 2: is interesting that he was like, I don't want to

1536
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: work with her because I'm like, did they even have

1537
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 2: scenes to I only remember scenes with like her and

1538
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 2: Will Smith together, So it's like, yeah, kind of interesting.

1539
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, and I think in general, like it's

1540
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 3: she just provides such a perfect snapshot. I think about

1541
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 3: like the nineties film industry and what you had to

1542
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: do to navigate it in order to have a career,

1543
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 3: and also like the decisions that you make that either

1544
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 3: set you up for success to be a megastar or

1545
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 3: that can prop you up and like keep you in

1546
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 3: the mid the middle here, or the decisions you could

1547
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 3: make that like could absolutely tank your career because she's

1548
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 3: had a lot of like interesting peaks and valleys. Like

1549
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 3: I was reading that she was originally offered the Kelly

1550
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 3: McGill's role in Top Gun and like turned it down

1551
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 3: because she thought the script was too pro military, which

1552
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: I think is like bad ass, Like that is so awesome,

1553
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 3: but like, you know, that would have been a huge

1554
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: arle for her and could have you know, absolutely like

1555
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,879
Speaker 3: shot her into superstardom. You know, Tom Cruise, and everybody

1556
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 3: was like courting her or really hoping that she would

1557
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 3: do it, and so it's like those little decisions you

1558
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 3: make can really pile up. I think that she was

1559
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 3: up for basic instinct, well, the Sharon Stone roll, and

1560
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 3: I think there was, like I read that there was

1561
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 3: somebody made some horrible comment to her, like you have

1562
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 3: a great ass, but like your breast turnt or something

1563
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 3: like just like that's why we're not casting you, and

1564
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,879
Speaker 3: it's like insane, insane.

1565
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like, I'm a.

1566
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Little older than you. But I my big introduction to

1567
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,480
Speaker 1: her was through her very early stuff like Vision Quest.

1568
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: When I first saw the movie Vision Quest, I was like,

1569
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: because in that movie she plays I mean, it's kind

1570
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: of crazy to think about it in context of like

1571
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: this being a movie about like a high school wrestler, right,

1572
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: played by Matthew Modine. It's like a teen movie, very

1573
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: like John Hughes esque, right, Yeah, And she's like this

1574
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: drifter that ends up staying with the Matthew Modin character

1575
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: and his dad, and she's older and this guy, this

1576
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: young guy in high school, falls in love with her,

1577
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: and she's just cool. She's like a cool older lady

1578
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: and she has like she's kind of startonic and tough

1579
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: and awesome, and I was like, I want to beat her.

1580
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 1: She's so cool and she like had a cool look

1581
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: in the movie and everything. But so she kind of

1582
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: got introduced to me as that kind of person. It's

1583
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of like drifter, badass type. And then I saw

1584
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 1: her in After Hours as this kind of like downtown

1585
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: weirdo artist, you know, and so I was just expecting

1586
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: her to be you know, like I was going, Oh,

1587
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: she's kind of like this cool eighties actress and she's

1588
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, pretty but bunky and like kind of has

1589
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 1: like a little edge to her. So I don't know,

1590
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 1: I think that that is definitely like an alluring type

1591
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: to be in Hollywood, especially when you're a young woman,

1592
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe like there was a lot

1593
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: of expect It seems to me that there was a

1594
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: lot of expectations around her and sort of who she

1595
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: could be. And I feel like Sharon Stone's probably like

1596
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good comparison because between Last's action and Jane especially,

1597
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think people really started to see her

1598
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: as kind of this like erotic thriller adjacent actress or something,

1599
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: and it seems like she was more than that and

1600
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: maybe that's kind of what happened with her career.

1601
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's so fascinating because I feel like the characters

1602
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 2: she plays and every time she's on screen she sort

1603
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 2: of is. It feels like there's like a mysterious darkness

1604
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: going on within that character's past or something, or like

1605
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 2: there's an allusion to another life that's much darker and frightening.

1606
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 2: And it feels like those types of characters that she

1607
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 2: plays sort of matches her real life personality. She's like

1608
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 2: a mysterious person too, and it sort of makes these

1609
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: movies she in and the character she portrays it feels

1610
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 2: like kind of part of a larger narrative and it

1611
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 2: feels like it brings it depth to these movies that

1612
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 2: are maybe not uh don't don't earn that depth, but

1613
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: just from her like presence in the movie, it it

1614
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 2: makes it feel more mysterious and dark than it actually is,

1615
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1616
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also feel like, you know, it's interesting

1617
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 3: to think that, you know, like today we have and

1618
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 3: this is not to disparage anybody currently working today or anything,

1619
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 3: but it's like we have like the Sydney Sweeney type, right,

1620
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 3: and like the nineties also like headed in that direction.

1621
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: And it's interesting to think about like a world in

1622
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 3: which these leading actresses like aren't like she obviously is

1623
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 3: very alluring and like very good looking and like she's

1624
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 3: playing a sexy role, but it's in a way that's

1625
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 3: like not submissive. It's not in a way that like

1626
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 3: you could ever as a man, like have any sort

1627
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 3: of control over you know. This is like this is

1628
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 3: a like individual who's like on their own path, like

1629
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: cut in in the way that like kind of some

1630
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 3: of these pre code like if these movies were you know,

1631
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 3: like a Catherine Hepburn type thing, even though the performances

1632
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 3: aren't really similar where you're just like, yeah, that's like

1633
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 3: a badass, you know who's who's like really domineering in

1634
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 3: this kind of awesome way.

1635
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

1636
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 3: And it does it does make you wonder, you know,

1637
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 3: what would a film industry look like if like those

1638
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: are what are leading women were a little bit more

1639
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 3: like you know, Yeah, I was.

1640
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Trying to think of, like is there even a comp

1641
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 2: today with like actresses that are working now.

1642
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 3: Maybe the Zendaya Like maybe I could see that like

1643
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 3: you know, a challenge.

1644
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: I think a little Dakota Johnson maybe, yeah, because I

1645
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: actually have heard Linda Fiorentino being compared to Lauren but caall,

1646
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: which I think is actually really good. That kind of

1647
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, like there's a like I think it

1648
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: is the darkness and mysteriousness, but a sensuality is sexuality too, right,

1649
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's interesting. I think like

1650
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I also was thinking about in terms of the era

1651
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 1: that she was making movies like The Last Seduction in Jade,

1652
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: about there being these actresses like her that were out

1653
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:15,520
Speaker 1: there doing movies like that, like Sharon Stone, Rebecca de Mornay.

1654
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 4: There's like a whole host of Yeah.

1655
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and like some of them have stuck around and

1656
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: some of them haven't. And you are kind of like,

1657
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, out of the spotlight a little bit. And

1658
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 1: it's just interesting. And I think you're right, there's a

1659
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: moment where I don't know if Hollywood really knows what

1660
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: to do, especially after they turn a certain age, right,

1661
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: because I feel like that was something that happened with

1662
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: Linda Fiorentino over time, was just that she was getting older,

1663
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody really kind of knew what

1664
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: to do you know about that fact, which is, you know,

1665
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 1: it extends to pretty much all actresses, but you know,

1666
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: like especially for the ones that were playing sexier roles

1667
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 1: earlier in their career. You know, it's just kind of like,

1668
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's interesting to me.

1669
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you brought up Zendia, and you

1670
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 2: brought up Dakota Johnson. But I feel like the thing

1671
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 2: I find kind of alluring about Linda Fiorentino, it's like

1672
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 2: she's from South Philly. She's kind of a note like

1673
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 2: she comes from She's like a nobody, you know. And

1674
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 2: it's like all actors now it seems like they need

1675
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 2: to come through some sort of like Disney factory or

1676
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 2: be the child of a celebrity already. There's no we

1677
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: don't get these kind of interesting people off the street,

1678
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 2: like a Linda Fiorentino anymore.

1679
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 3: Well, Hollywood's not great at making stars anymore, as the problem.

1680
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they really are.

1681
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 3: So they just want to mitigate risks so much that

1682
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 3: they kind of pick like whoever, you know, on a

1683
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 3: spreadsheet you can get a slight bump from due to

1684
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 3: like a number right, and so it ends up being

1685
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 3: like okay, television ratings, social ratings, you know, all these

1686
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 3: different things as opposed to just like great, you know, performance.

1687
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 3: But what's interesting about her like coming from like nowhere

1688
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 3: or just like South Philly or whatever is it's like

1689
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 3: that does feel like a nineties thriller type, like like

1690
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 3: like all of Linda Fiorantino's think it's like an invention

1691
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 3: or a mask or like would never really know who

1692
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 3: she is, you know, it's all this performance for me?

1693
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 3: What's so interesting about her as well? It's just like

1694
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 3: there's just these key moments that you can point to

1695
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 3: to watch a career sort of get capped or just

1696
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 3: like not reach its pinnacle. And one of them, of course,

1697
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 3: is that the general consensus seems to be she would

1698
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 3: have won an Oscar for Last Deduction. I don't know

1699
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 3: if you read anything. Yeah, And so what ended up

1700
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 3: happening with this film was like, I mean, she was

1701
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 3: the breakout star of it. Everybody loved her, like Roger

1702
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 3: Ebert was like head over heels about it, and and

1703
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 3: essentially the production company was like going bankrupt and made

1704
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 3: some deal with HBO, who, unbeknownst to the people who

1705
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Speaker 3: actually made the movie, like started airing it on HBO,

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01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 3: but then it was a huge hit in Europe, and

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01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 3: so the distributors were like, oh, okay, well we'll put

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01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 3: it back out and we'll see what's happening with it.

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01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 3: And then you know, it did some did some okay business,

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01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 3: but it was too late for her to get an

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01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 3: Oscar nomination because it had already aired on television, which

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01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 3: is really really sad.

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Speaker 4: So I think just like you can point to a

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01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 4: couple of things.

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01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 3: It's like maybe turning down Top Gun, maybe not not

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01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 3: getting an Oscar nomination for this, and then I think

1717
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 3: losing out on like a big franchise like Men in Black,

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01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 3: Like you know, these these types of things are like

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01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 3: how a career really takes off, and each one of

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01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 3: those steps of the way, like the system kind of

1721
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 3: like failed her in something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting. And I mean, you know, someone like

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Speaker 2: you Morgan, you just made micro budget, you know, and

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01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,640
Speaker 2: how how like what kind of what what kind of

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01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: movie would you like to make?

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Speaker 4: For you?

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01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: Have you even thought about like what kind of movie

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01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 2: your next movie would be? You know, hopefully it's not

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01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 2: one where you have to take out a bunch of

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01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 2: credit cards again. And make a you know, but like, yeah,

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01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 2: as you grow as a filmmaker and as your you know,

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01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 2: your movies hopefully get bigger and bigger, do you sort

1734
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 2: of see a trajectory like where you want to go?

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01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 2: I'll love your next one.

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01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,440
Speaker 3: A little bit like I you know, I write professionally,

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01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 3: so I'm at Warner Brothers now in development on like

1738
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 3: a big DC superhero thing. But you know, when I

1739
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 3: write things on spec for myself or hope to make

1740
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 3: you know that, I'm a little more like precious about

1741
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 3: But I'm kind of doing both things at once. I

1742
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 3: always say, like George Mill, I love that George Miller

1743
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 3: made like Happy Fee and Fury Road, like like, you know,

1744
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 3: I've written like an R rated you know, very like

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01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,919
Speaker 3: raunchy comedy, and then I've also wrote like a kid's.

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01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 4: Batman movie, you know. So it's like I kind of

1747
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 4: just want to do both.

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01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,600
Speaker 3: But it's funny that we're talking about this because the

1749
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 3: last three scripts behind me that was.

1750
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 4: Like a pile of like all my specs or whatever.

1751
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 3: The last three I've written have been in the vein

1752
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 3: of nineties erotic thrillers and and and one of them

1753
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 3: is looking pretty likely to get made.

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Speaker 4: In May of next year.

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01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 3: Fantastic, really great director attached and it's a it's kind

1756
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 3: of a con artist Spanish prisoner meets you know, Last

1757
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 3: Seduction without any of the sex.

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01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 4: But it's it's cool. Yeah, you think Glinda, I mean, she.

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01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: Hasn't done a movie since two thousand and nine, right,

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01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: you think.

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01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 3: She might be h I mean if this podcast didn't

1762
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 3: just like remove me from her list of people she

1763
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 3: try got a list of like never working with them,

1764
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 3: and I've probably just got added to it. But I'm

1765
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 3: only doing this because I love her and I think

1766
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 3: that she got she got kind of boned by the

1767
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 3: industry and you know, despite the you know, little gray

1768
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 3: area with the Pelicano stuff, you know, I think she

1769
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 3: really deserved a bigger, much bigger career.

1770
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 2: What did she do wrong taking advantage of you know,

1771
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 2: stupid men. Yeah, that's no crime. Yeah I love that.

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01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean it would make sense to it

1773
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 3: makes such a good movie. But she's so specific and

1774
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 3: great that no one could play her. She'd have to

1775
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:23,560
Speaker 3: play herself.

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01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, where can people see micro budget?

1777
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 2: Where is there anything else you want to plug? Well,

1778
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:33,799
Speaker 2: before we get out of here.

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01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can go to micro budget movie dot

1780
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 3: com to find a list of theaters is playing at.

1781
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna be doing like at least New York in

1782
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 3: LA starting and I'm not sure when this comes out,

1783
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 3: but that'll be in January. It's looking likely that we'll

1784
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,879
Speaker 3: do San Francisco and hopefully Austin and some other places

1785
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 3: like that. The website will have everything will be on

1786
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 3: video on demand in March and uh and then we'll

1787
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 3: have a Blu ray shortly after that. So yeah, micro

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01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 3: Budget Movie, that's your home base for all your micro

1789
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 3: budget movie news.

1790
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: There we go. Awesome. Well, thanks so much, Morgan. This

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01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 2: is great. And yeah, and you can watch the Last

1792
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 2: Seduction that's free on Prime right now too, if anybody

1793
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 2: wants to check that out. But yeah, Morgan, really thanks

1794
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 2: for being on the show. We really appreciate thanks.

1795
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 4: For having me a big fan.

1796
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 3: I've been listening to it like all week and prep

1797
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 3: for this and it's been a pleasure.

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01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Ah, I appreciate that.

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01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All Right, that was a great chat with Morgan Morgan,

1801
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show. Everyone check out micro

1802
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 2: Budget It's really funny. I really enjoyed it. And if

1803
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 2: you're a filmmaker, I think it will resonate with you. Yes,

1804
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 2: check it out. Okay, now it is time for employees Picks,

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01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 2: where we have a film recommendation based on the theme

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01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 2: of the discussion. BILLI, why don't you go?

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01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,719
Speaker 1: Well? I hate to be the bearer of bad news,

1808
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: but I am recommending maybe the saddest movie of all time,

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01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 1: and that is the Victorio de Sicca movie from nineteen

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01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: fifty two on Berto D. Now, I'm not recommending this

1811
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: movie because it is about a dog, ultimately, and we,

1812
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: as we've talked about in the opening, I've just lost

1813
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 1: my little bestie. To be honest, I couldn't watch amberto

1814
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 1: D right now. I'm just recommending I can't watch that

1815
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: shit right now? Are you kidding me? I'm too too

1816
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: weak and fragile with grief. But the thing, the reason

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01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:47,799
Speaker 1: why I'm recommending it ultimately is because this is also

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01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: a movie about people who have like lost. I love it.

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01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:56,560
Speaker 1: Why is this happening.

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01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 2: For those listening? Balloons just appear in Millie's zoom for

1821
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 2: some reason, I have no idea why.

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01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: Apparently the AI is so good now that if you

1823
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,480
Speaker 1: talk about umberto D from nineteen fifty two. The balloons

1824
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,679
Speaker 1: just pop up on the zoom like hooray. But this

1825
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 1: is a movie that's also about like people who are

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01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 1: like economically disenfranchised and are kind of being put out

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01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: to pasture. And it's like, you know, a movie about survival,

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01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: economic survival and trying to retain the things that make

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01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: them feel human, which is like, you know, in the

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01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: case of No Other Choice, it's this house you know

1831
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: that Mangsu like grew up in and in Roberto d

1832
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: it's about his dog like, which you know, is like

1833
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: his only connection to goodness in the face of this

1834
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: like fucking terrible poverty. And you know, this is an

1835
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 1: Italian neo realist film, so it's really gritty and sad obviously,

1836
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just to me, I was like,

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01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: I know, this is a little bit. It's not a

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01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: dark comedy at all. It's actually the saddest movie of

1839
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 1: all time. But I think that there are similarities between

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01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm burtod and No Other Choice in a way.

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01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 2: So sure, very good. I am going to recommend a

1842
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 2: movie Near and Dear to my Heart, which I may

1843
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 2: have been one of my staff picks already. I'm gonna

1844
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,719
Speaker 2: be real. I may have recommended this on another episode,

1845
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 2: but I think it fits with this movie. And the

1846
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:40,439
Speaker 2: movie is Fargo from nineteen ninety six, because I think

1847
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 2: both movies are about a man who take a course

1848
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 2: of action that is insane, but they feel like, if

1849
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 2: we can just accomplish this horrific act, then we'll be

1850
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 2: smooth sailing after that. There's some messiness in between, but

1851
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 2: if we can get to the end game, our lives

1852
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 2: will be great. You know. The ends justify the means.

1853
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 2: And I feel like William H. Macy's character, Jerry Lindegard

1854
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 2: from Fargo, he feels like, you know, if he can

1855
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 2: just get past this rough patch, then everything will be good,

1856
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 2: you know. And it don't work out that way in

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01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:31,680
Speaker 2: Fargo anywyeah. But I love Fargo. It's one of my

1858
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 2: favorite movies, and I think there's a darkness to that

1859
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:39,560
Speaker 2: film that I feel like no other choice also embodies.

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Speaker 2: So my choice this week is Fargo from nineteen ninety six.

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01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: Good good wreck.

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01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well that's our show. I hope you all

1863
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 2: had fun. If you want to write into our show,

1864
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: if you'd like film advice, or you need a wreck,

1865
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:00,360
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1866
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1867
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1868
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,080
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1871
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1872
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 2: so thank you everyone who keeps sending them in. Please

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1875
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1876
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1877
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1882
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1883
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1884
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1885
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1886
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Speaker 2: Tell a damn friend, please, we tell a crush because

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1889
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1890
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Speaker 2: So that is all Millie. Next week, what's the movie

1894
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 2: we're talking about. I've never seen this one before.

1895
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:42,799
Speaker 1: We are going to watch a classic, in my eyes,

1896
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: one of the finest Burt Reynolds movies of all time

1897
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy four, The Longest Yard, which is timely

1898
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: because we got a little sporting event coming up.

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01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 2: Yes we do.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 2: We talked about like being invested in like mainstream culture

1902
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 2: that's you know, printing money essentially and like super successful

1903
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 2: and how can you like morally be a part of it.

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01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 2: I think that is my you know, conundrum with my

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01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 2: love for football, my absolute devotion to football and the

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01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Yeah, so we'll get into it.

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01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: We will, because I don't know much about football, and

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01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 1: you're going to have to hold my hand during this.

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01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 2: Well, my team and your team have a historic beef

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01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,799
Speaker 2: that we'll get into. I hate the Atlanta Falcons eternally.

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01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 2: Oh and we'll discuss it next up is.

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Speaker 1: Sad very interesting, Okay, stay tuned for that in Casey,

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Speaker 1: wonderful episode today.

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Speaker 2: I yes, great app Millie, ihead, thank you for talking

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Speaker 2: about Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Of course, and listen. I had no other choice but

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Speaker 1: to enjoy myself and I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: That, so I also had. I had no other choice

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Speaker 2: but to have a great time with you because you're

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Speaker 2: a hoot.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Take care of everybody. Bye.

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 1: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom bryfocal. Our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Ilac.

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Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best man in

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Speaker 1: the entire world, the Softies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer, and Millie to Jericho. We love you. Goodbye.

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