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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love a little free football.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with Patrick Claybon with all the claymates listening,

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Speaker 1: both of you. I'm with Nick Shook with all the

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Speaker 1: shook ones out there. And yes, this week twelve recap

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Speaker 1: is for all the NFL dailiens in our universe. What

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Speaker 1: a Sunday, an important Sunday where we finally lost Patrick

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Speaker 1: Claybon as a member of Team Analytics.

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Speaker 2: He's done with it. No, no, no over. I just

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Speaker 2: I needed a place to go. I went there briefly. No,

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Speaker 2: we're bat, Greg, stay there.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen Patrick as mata anything as he has

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Speaker 1: been about the fourth down decisions on this Sunday, especially

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Speaker 1: from Liam Cohen and Brian Shottenheiman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were some ones that got a little bit

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Speaker 2: wiggily there. I went to a dark place, but I'm

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Speaker 2: back now. I did some research. Yes, I will get

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Speaker 2: you know again. I have hit my yelling quota now

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, not be yelling anymore. And we we

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Speaker 2: were gonna I have a take I'm working on when

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Speaker 2: we get.

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Speaker 3: There, okay, and we'll give it to the people.

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Speaker 1: Let's get there. Then let's talk about one of those games.

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Speaker 1: Let's lead off with Cowboys Eagles to Jerry World forty two.

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Speaker 4: Yards on the left hash to win the game, snapping

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Speaker 4: home forty two yard kick from Aubrey. The Cowboys have

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Speaker 4: won this football game. Butter Bubber, Butter, Butter Butters.

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Speaker 3: I don't know when they won one.

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Speaker 5: It's not like this.

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Speaker 4: Forty two for Aubrey and the Cowboys win twenty four.

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Speaker 6: To twenty one.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 1: The voice of the Dallas Cowboys, Brad Sham, I'm k

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Speaker 1: r l D. He can't remember a game where they

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Speaker 1: came back from twenty one nothing twenty one seven at halftime.

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Speaker 5: Yes, holding the Eagles scoreless in.

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Speaker 1: The second half, and perhaps overcoming a decision that made

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Speaker 1: Patrick a little bit crazy. Brandon Aubrey with the walk off.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Shookie here. When the Eagles are dominating

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Speaker 1: this game in the first half, I just could not

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Speaker 1: imagine a scenario where the Cowboys came back and won it.

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Speaker 5: And they are now five to five and one.

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Speaker 1: And the theme early in this show is the Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: games getting a little more interesting and the Cowboys getting

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Speaker 1: to five hundred what do you think was the most

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Speaker 1: important thing that turned this game around?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 8: I mean this could spider web in a number of

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Speaker 8: different directions, just based on the fact that it's not

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Speaker 8: going to be a normal Monday morning in Philadelphia after this.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, what was the most important thing?

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Speaker 8: Well, I agree with you that when they were up

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Speaker 8: twenty one to nothing, I thought there's no way they're rolling.

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Speaker 8: They even checked off the most important box, which is

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Speaker 8: get aj Brown involved and throw them a touchdown pass.

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Speaker 8: Their social media teams having a field day with it.

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Speaker 8: They posted a little video of Jalen Hurts sitting down saying,

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Speaker 8: so that's what y'all wanted, huh, Except this is not

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Speaker 8: what they wanted. They didn't want you to collapse in

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Speaker 8: the second half and give away possession by fumbling a

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Speaker 8: part return, by giving the Cowboys a chance that they

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Speaker 8: didn't cash in, by failing to get within field goal range,

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Speaker 8: and then giving up a field goal against your hated rival.

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Speaker 8: This is a game you should have pulled away, and

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Speaker 8: instead you crumbled. And that's why it's not going to

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Speaker 8: be a normal Monday in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to get to the downside of

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Speaker 1: the Eagles at some point here, But this was an

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Speaker 1: awesome performance by a Cowboys offense who puts up four

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three yards twenty five first downs, and

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Speaker 1: George Pickens helps to take over in the second half,

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Speaker 1: finishing with one hundred and forty six yards and nine

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Speaker 1: catches on nine target on nine targets.

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Speaker 2: Every single time the ball went in George Pickens' direction,

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Speaker 2: he was making a play against a secondary where there's

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Speaker 2: always an overmatch in the favor of the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 2: until they come into this situation where it's Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 2: and George Pickens and you're able to get a player

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Speaker 2: who the folks watching that game, watching previous Cowboys games,

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Speaker 2: it's tough to watch and say that George Pickens isn't

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Speaker 2: the best player on the field, and you get him

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Speaker 2: for a third round pick, And thanks to the nature

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Speaker 2: get to see what George Pickens might actually be worth

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Speaker 2: in an open market in this situation. But it's tough

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Speaker 5: The league looking at you were saying he was the

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Speaker 2: In the league a little earlier in terms of like

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Speaker 2: who's executing, who's making the plays that are available to

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Speaker 2: them on the field, who's finishing plays Where you see

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Speaker 2: George Pickens get loose, he steps out of a tackle,

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Speaker 2: a legitimate threat to score every single time he catches

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Speaker 2: the ball. I understand there were some wiggly moments he did,

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Speaker 2: weird things that we had fun in talking about them

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. But the results speak for themselves. Greg He's

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Speaker 2: a spectacular football player playing some of the best football

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Speaker 2: of his career right.

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Speaker 1: Now, and he did it on a day where his

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Speaker 1: running partner Cede Lamb let the team down ultimately thre Redrops.

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Speaker 1: I believe in this game a couple of real groaners

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Speaker 1: where he's just like knocking it down like a volleyball,

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Speaker 1: and then he didn't make a catch that preceded the

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Speaker 1: brot Brian Schottenheimer decision on fourth down that you know,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Ceedee Lamb should catch that ball. It's

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Speaker 1: a really difficult throw by Dak Prescott into a tight window,

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Speaker 1: but it goes through Ceedee Lamb's bread basket. It's tied

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Speaker 1: twenty one. All this is late in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: We've got about three forty five to go and instead

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Speaker 1: of taking a chip shot Brandon Aubrey field goal, they

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Speaker 1: go for fourth end goal I believe from the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: one yard line. But they throw the ball and that

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Speaker 1: was the point where you lost your mind, and I

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Speaker 1: think analytics lost you forever.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not that analytics lost me forever.

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Speaker 2: I think the Dallas Cowboys called all the way back

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Speaker 2: from down twenty one to nothing.

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Speaker 3: They had a chance to take the lead, yes, in

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: And I understand the model and the folks that Next

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Speaker 2: Gen Stats put a lot of effort into the model,

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Speaker 2: but there's some limitations there and determining what the decision

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Speaker 2: should be in a football game that is actively happening

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Speaker 2: in the moment, so the model has to make a

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Speaker 2: few assumptions. And so you go in to the Next

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Speaker 2: Gen Stats page and they're very forthcoming, very open with

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Speaker 2: regards to how things are constructed. And so I'll read

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Speaker 2: you guys a quote. The actual yards to go is

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Speaker 2: a clear metric to provide to the model, because you

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Speaker 2: want to know the down and distance and how that

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Speaker 2: plays into your decisions. But there's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: information that's available to the model in that moment. So

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Speaker 2: the Vegas lines are used condense vast amounts of situational

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Speaker 2: historical knowledge about the teams into a small set of

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Speaker 2: numbers to involve that decision, specifically the point spread. And

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Speaker 2: you know my opinion on what the goal of the

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Speaker 2: point spread.

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Speaker 5: Is to make people gamble more, to provide.

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Speaker 3: An opportunity for people to make a decision to gamble.

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Speaker 1: I think that's only that small part of the NGS.

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Speaker 3: It's a small part.

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Speaker 2: But when we're talking about decisions that are point zero

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Speaker 2: terms of evaluating the decision, I would like a model

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Speaker 2: not to include Vegas is desired to make money on

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Speaker 2: the football game, because I know people think Vegas is

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Speaker 2: so smart and they know everything about football. They are

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Speaker 2: not making decisions to be right about the game. They

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Speaker 3: They want. The lines are there to encourage action.

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Speaker 2: So eventually you get to a point where you get

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Speaker 2: a line, and that's because the line is changing over

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Speaker 2: the money. The money is the priority there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So I don't know how much it goes into it.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to trust what you see and

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Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer has said like he hears his dad's voice

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Speaker 1: Eagles offense is part of that decision. And what happened

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Speaker 1: they end up punting from their own nineteen yard line,

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Speaker 1: setting up the Cowboys to end up going on that

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Speaker 1: game winning goal drive. I was surprised because took the

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Speaker 1: A the Eagles offense is struggling, so if you put

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Speaker 1: But I didn't mind the call too much to go

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Speaker 1: for it there. I'm just more kind of amazed that

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Speaker 1: everything happened down the stretch of this game on both

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Speaker 8: Well, I felt like Patrick was heading toward making a

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Speaker 8: needing the context of the game to you know, kind

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Speaker 8: be blown away by that, So thank you for steering

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Speaker 9: That would have just made me useless for the rest

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Speaker 8: I think it's just the second half lack of production,

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Speaker 8: against anybody is an achievement for them, at least as

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Speaker 9: There was a lot of There was a sequence there where.

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Speaker 8: Cavante Turpin fumbles the ball in the backfield, Zach Bond recovers.

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Speaker 8: Like they made their plays defensively, but ultimately they were

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Speaker 8: not able to withstand the onslaught the offensive onslought of

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Speaker 8: nearly five hundred total yards from the Cowboys offense. That

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Speaker 8: is their only method to success is by throwing the

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Speaker 9: That's what disappoints me. Now, they did lose some.

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Speaker 8: Guys in this game, and then Andrew mccooba goes down

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Speaker 8: that that last drive as well and that's kind of

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Speaker 8: a bummer and explains a little bit of it. But ultimately,

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Speaker 8: if this defense is as good as we thought it

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Speaker 8: this game goes to overtime, which is not what happened

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Speaker 1: It's it's so much more on the offense and the

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Speaker 1: game changed. We didn't know it at the time certainly,

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Speaker 1: but it's late second quarter. They had like a third

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Speaker 1: start penalty I think on Cam Jurgens.

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Speaker 5: It backs him up.

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Speaker 1: They don't get the first down, and then Dak goes

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Speaker 1: on a nice drive before halftime to at least cut

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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything, but ultimately, like against this

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Speaker 2: And a credit to consummate Baald Knower Jerry Jones, as

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Speaker 1: The Doomsday defense is back. They're in the mix at

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Speaker 9: Not a fan, No, it'd be my Doomsday.

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Speaker 1: I'm still you know, I'm still not forgiving Darry for

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Speaker 3: So if the Colt should blitz, they do criss cross blitz.

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Speaker 3: In the overtime, tight to twenty.

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Speaker 1: Mitch Holtis on k f n Z with the heady

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Speaker 1: This felt like it could have been in January, and

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Speaker 5: Obviously.

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Speaker 1: It was gonna be the biggest fourth quarter comeback of

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Steve Spagnolo kept sending the house,

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Speaker 8: No, absolutely not, especially after Travis Kelsey was outspoken this

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Speaker 8: how are you going to overcome this adversity at home

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Speaker 3: How do you do it?

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Speaker 8: You outgain them nearly two to one, very close to

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Speaker 8: it didn't feel inevitable. Watching from Afar might have felt

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Speaker 1: No, And the game starts with Laatu Latu having his

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Speaker 5: Forget it.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's got more than he's a cover edge

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Speaker 8: to a head against Denver, a game that he just

440
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 8: always felt like. It looked to me like he was

441
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 8: always uncomfortable in that game and just didn't really know

442
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 8: where to go, which is very uncommon for him. He's

443
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 8: one of the best play extenders and somebody who makes

444
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 8: something out of nothing in the NFL, and to have

445
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 8: that kind of carry over into an uneven game today

446
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 8: against a quality opponent doesn't surprise me at all. What

447
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 8: does surprise me that the Chiefs were able to commit

448
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 8: to the run and break a one hundred yards with

449
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Speaker 8: a thirty carry performance from Kareem Hunt, because this is

450
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Speaker 8: a Chiefs team that has not been able to run

451
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Speaker 8: the ball consistently for most of this year. Safer when

452
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Speaker 8: you get inside the five or the ten, you just

453
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Speaker 8: handed it off the Hunt and he runs a couple

454
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Speaker 8: of guys over and gets it to the end zone.

455
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Speaker 8: So that's encouraging to me. But I also pivoting kind

456
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Speaker 8: of back to the Colts here for a second. We

457
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 8: give the Patriots a lot of stuff because Okay, well

458
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 8: they're unproven, like who have they played?

459
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Speaker 11: Right?

460
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Speaker 9: We don't know about them?

461
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Speaker 8: Why don't we say the same thing about the Colts

462
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Speaker 8: because this is one of those examples where you look

463
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Speaker 8: at them and you go, you need Daniel Jones to

464
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 8: make a play, you need Jonathan Taylor to have a day.

465
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 8: Sixteen Carriacs for fifty eight yards is not a day

466
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Speaker 8: when compared against the rest of Jonathan Taylor's season. How

467
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 8: much do you trust this Colts team because they're going

468
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Speaker 8: to be in a situation like this in the playoffs.

469
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Speaker 8: This is a test and I think if anybody was

470
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Speaker 8: looking for a reason to be confident in them, they

471
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 8: failed that test today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.

473
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Speaker 1: There were so many opportunities for them to win and

474
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Speaker 1: to show that they were like a difference making offense,

475
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Speaker 1: and they started out that way in terms of like

476
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: the play calling, but ultimately that sequence I mentioned where

477
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: they get the ball at midfield with a chance to

478
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Speaker 1: put the ball away, like Jonathan Taylor doesn't even get

479
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: the ball. And it's worth noting like Jonathan Taylor and

480
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: their running game like wasn't that effective overall today and

481
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Speaker 1: including in short yard situations. So it's like you're kind

482
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The

483
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: offensive line had a bunch of penalties, like they had

484
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: their chance to kind of stamp themselves and now they

485
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: didn't do it.

486
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Speaker 2: You saw a flash of it where there was a

487
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Speaker 2: play I believe in the second where Quentin Nelson is

488
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: pulling around.

489
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: Gets a great block.

490
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: They get a great seal on the edge as well,

491
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Taylor goes down the sideline and you almost

492
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: needed the Colts. The Colts needed Jonathan Taylor to have

493
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: that signature like huge home run hit a run where

494
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: that's Those are the big plays on the offense at

495
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: this point where the Chiefs were able to, you know,

496
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: keep a lid on Alec Pierce and we want like, well,

497
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: maybe Dimes gets involved in the run game. He had

498
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: a first down scramble, but he's not moving like proham

499
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: Dimes in the run game. I know it's it's November,

500
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: and he just looked a little clunky moving around. I'm

501
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: sure he's you know, the Chiefs defense was beating him

502
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: up as well.

503
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's one hundred percent because he's he

504
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: was questionable on the injury report, and he was moving

505
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: around and he's stuck in the pocket and made some

506
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: really good throws to start this game out including the

507
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: first touchdown that that he threw, which I thought was

508
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: an incredible example of him staying in the pocket. But

509
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: he did give the Chiefs a couple of chances to

510
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: pick the ball off in this game too, they just

511
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: didn't take advantage. And then look if the Chiefs do

512
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: turn this season around, circle back to about three minutes

513
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: left in this game. They had a fourth down and

514
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: it felt like not season to go. But it was

515
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: a big moment and Rashi Rice, if you're watching on YouTube,

516
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: you'll see Rashie Rice makes a nice catch after Mahomes,

517
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, drops back to pass. The throws like a

518
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: little bit high. And I've been getting on Racei Rice

519
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: for not really making plays this year. He did have

520
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: a good game today. After one misplay early, then goes

521
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: eight for one forty one big time play by a

522
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: big time play.

523
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: You could almost say it was a one handed gram

524
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: the way he had to reach up and stab that

525
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: where it would have been a nasty Mahomes miss. If

526
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: that goes to the turf would have said, hey, that

527
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: would have been a tough catch for Rashee Rice instead,

528
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: first down and now they can't they can't be killed

529
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: at the zombie Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: They are, and that sets up a beautiful Thanksgiving matchup.

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Speaker 1: They're six and five. The Cowboys are five to five

532
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: and one and both very intriguing. Meanwhile, this cold it's

533
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: lost Somewhere Texans fans are at home cheering for the Chiefs.

534
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 13: Uh.

535
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Somewhere, Jaguars fans will get to them. We're cheering for

536
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and could make it very interesting atop the

537
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: AFC South. All right, let's go from that Thanksgiving game

538
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: and set up the next one. Yes, the Detroit Lions

539
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: are hoping for an easy Sunday and they did not

540
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Speaker 1: get one.

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Speaker 14: Here come the Lions now opening possession of overtime golf

542
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 14: up under center turns.

543
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: Gives to Gibbs. Gibbs had to.

544
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: Take the.

545
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 4: Get up?

546
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 5: Who cut down?

547
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 12: Detroit Lion?

548
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: W off shand up stand up?

549
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 14: Sexting hoards sremire gives to the House.

550
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: No, the first play from shrimmaging over time.

551
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Why didn't you know?

552
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 8: You know?

553
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 5: He can't? Ah?

554
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: Wow, my good Oh put that on the Call of

555
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: the Year list. I don't know if we've been doing

556
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: one this year. We should now Jamir Gibbs does it again.

557
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: Two hundred and nineteen yards on the ground on only

558
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: fifteen carries. He scores three touchdowns on the day. For

559
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 1: you fantasy owners, he adds eleven catches. It's the Jamir

560
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: Gibbs offense. He is the best pound for pound player

561
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Like Ali Connelly was saying on our

562
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: Saturday show, check that out. The Lions survive all time

563
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston game in terms of entertainment value and win

564
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: thirty four to twenty seven in overtime. And yes, they

565
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: had to stop Jamis Winston because of the overtime rules.

566
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: That touchdown did not end the game on a drive.

567
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: While we're here, let's actually listen to another Dan Miller

568
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: call because it was another big time player ending the

569
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: game for the Lions.

570
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 5: Fourth and five with the Lions get to stop here,

571
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 5: this game's over. Winston's gonna work out of the gun.

572
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 14: Four across the food for Detroit long count play clocket three.

573
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: There's the snap to Winston.

574
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 14: He's back on fourth down looking pressure.

575
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 3: Cut the ball.

576
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 14: Games this tall gamell games, Hey notch, it comes up

577
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 14: with a sack.

578
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 12: Get out of here, poys, go to the locker room.

579
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: This game's over.

580
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Ah, that's another great call and uh, I do love

581
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: a Lomas Brown just screaming in the background.

582
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 5: I believe that was him shook.

583
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 15: Uh.

584
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 5: Look, they needed this.

585
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: You cannot slip up to the Giants the way things

586
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: are crowded in that division.

587
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: What did you think about how hard it was for

588
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 5: the Lions to win this game?

589
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 8: I think that the visceral nature of those two calls

590
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 8: explains it all for the Lions today, because you're absolutely right,

591
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 8: this is a game that they cannot afford to slip up.

592
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 9: They couldn't let this one get away.

593
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 8: They couldn't affor falling to six and five, and they

594
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 8: shouldn't because it's the Giants, a team that hasn't won

595
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 8: in ages, a team that's playing Jameis Winston at quarterback.

596
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 8: You should be able to make him make a mistake

597
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 8: or two because that's what he's known to do. Instead,

598
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 8: Jamis has one of his best days that anybody's gonna remember.

599
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 8: He catches a touchdown pass and it wasn't just catching

600
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 8: in the end zone. It's a catch and run. The

601
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 8: Lions in the fourth quarter had to find themselves just

602
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 8: wondering how did we get here? And it took a

603
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 8: great effort for them just to get into field goal

604
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 8: range to send this to overtime. It was a tough

605
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 8: game for them through all four quarters despite Jamir Gibbs

606
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 8: having such a great game, and felt like the rest

607
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 8: of the offense really couldn't figure it out. Defense couldn't

608
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 8: stop Jamis, who made a bunch of big plays until

609
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 8: Jamiir rips that one off in overtime.

610
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 9: A sixty nine yard run.

611
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 8: Two touchdown runs accounted for one hundred and eighteen yards

612
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 8: of his two hundred and nineteen total yards. He was

613
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 8: the guy for this team and that's why once he

614
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 8: got in the end zone, that was the first time

615
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 8: Lions fans could think, oh my god, we may actually

616
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 8: avoid disaster right now.

617
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 9: And it's all because of the guy in the backfield

618
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 9: with Gibbs in the back of his jersey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

620
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: They were down twenty seven seventeen after Winston passed the

621
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: gunner Olshefski he or passed from gunner Olshefski and then

622
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: immediately Gibbs response, so they're down ten points in the

623
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, Gibbs responds with a forty nine yard touchdown

624
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: run that is epic, like all time great Barry Sanders

625
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type stuff, just putting the team on

626
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: his back.

627
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's finishing those runs.

628
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: There was the He also almost had another long touchdown

629
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: run in the second half where the Giants are able

630
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: to get him out of pounds inside the five, and

631
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: all that did was delay the Jumior Gibbs touchdown reception

632
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: where he catches the ball and extends to get across

633
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: the pilot. Just a great game from Gibbs where you wonder.

634
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: You look at the numbers and Jamior Gibbs is averaging

635
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: fourteen yards to carry and it's like, how how is

636
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: this possible that the game goes to overtime when your

637
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: best player on offense is averaging fourteen yards to carry.

638
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: That's because they couldn't stop Jamis in the first half.

639
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: He had two hundred passing yards and two touchdowns in

640
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: the first half, like Wandell rob and was almost a

641
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: fantasy wide receiver one purely off of what he did

642
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: in the first half. It was so much offensive success

643
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: where it's like, why have we been keeping the Jamis?

644
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: And Mike Kafka wrapped up Also, Yeah, every Giants game

645
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: could have potentially.

646
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: Been like this, but instead we got the twenty twenty five.

647
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Oh, it goes back to what I've been thinking ever

648
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: since Dark came in and Winston. It's like Dable in

649
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: this entire organization deserves everything they got for starting Russell

650
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: Wilson in the first place. There was a lot of

651
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: evidence that Jameis Winston was a much better quarterback entering

652
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five than Russell Wilson. And in Wandale, Yeah,

653
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: had one thirty five before halfter, What did he You

654
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: didn't like my Russell Wilson Bury all there?

655
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 8: No.

656
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: I was reminded that there was another team that was

657
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: up three in the fourth quarter late with a gold

658
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: to goest situation and eschewed the field goal, ultimately leading

659
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: to the loss.

660
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: And that was a decision by Mike Kafka.

661
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: They were up twenty seven to twenty four, they had

662
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: a fourth down end goal, and they had an incomplete pass,

663
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Speaker 2: so Detroit didn't have to use use their timeout. Molik

664
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Speaker 2: Neighbors is watching from home and sends out this, Sometimes

665
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Speaker 2: I think they'd be making us lose on purpose, because

666
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Speaker 2: there's no way you throw the ball instead of running

667
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: it to make them burn two timeouts. Then you don't

668
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Speaker 2: kick the field goal. They have to go down and

669
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: score football common sense? Am I missing something? That's what

670
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: Melik Neighbors said during the game.

671
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Speaker 5: I love that he posted that, and I appreciate it.

672
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Speaker 1: You got the tweet you sureing it while READI itt no,

673
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Speaker 1: but you left out the four slammers that he put

674
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Speaker 1: behind football common sons exclamation point four times?

675
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Speaker 5: Am I missing something? And you're right.

676
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: That drive for the Giants ended with what under three

677
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: minutes to go in the game, and it ends up

678
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Speaker 1: being a Jake Baits. It took the Lions that long

679
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: Jake Baits fifty nine yard field goal, or else they

680
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Speaker 1: would have lost that game.

681
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Speaker 5: And yeah, that was an unconventional decision.

682
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Speaker 1: I do think the kickoff rule, right or wrong, is

683
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Speaker 1: playing a pretty big role in the coach's decisions to

684
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Speaker 1: do this, because they're thinking, Okay, if we hit the

685
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Speaker 1: field goal, we're up six, but the kickoff is probably coming.

686
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Speaker 5: Out to the thirty to thirty five.

687
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Speaker 1: That's like thirty yards of field position, whereas in the

688
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Speaker 1: past that would have been maybe twenty.

689
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Speaker 8: You don't like it, sh I push back against that

690
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 8: because you still have to force that team to go

691
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Speaker 8: down and get a touchdown. And what's the role the

692
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Speaker 8: worst place to be is up six in a game

693
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Speaker 8: because you could still lose and you know they have

694
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Speaker 8: to go get a touchdown. That's fine because in this

695
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Speaker 8: game the Lions were struggling to do anything outside of

696
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Speaker 8: Gibbs ripping one off. I would trust my defense in

697
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Speaker 8: that scenario and kick the three go up by six,

698
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Speaker 8: so you don't run the risk of Jake Baits hitting

699
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Speaker 8: the game tire, which, by the way, the one he

700
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Speaker 8: may decided to overtime just barely snuck in there. Imagine

701
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Speaker 8: if you're up six and they had to fight just

702
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Speaker 8: to get into position there. So I disagree with that,

703
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Speaker 8: but I do I agree with what you're saying overall

704
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Speaker 8: because field position I think plays a big part in

705
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Speaker 8: a lot of these decisions, but in this one specifically,

706
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 8: you kick the field goal, you take points every time.

707
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Speaker 9: But that's not with the benefit of hindsight.

708
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Speaker 3: But it's also not just the fourth down decision on

709
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Speaker 3: the incomplete pass.

710
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: There was the second down decision to throw the ball

711
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Speaker 2: at all that stopped the clock after the Lions had

712
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Speaker 2: called a time out.

713
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Speaker 3: I think that's the one that bothers Malik Neighbors and maybe.

714
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Speaker 1: Me the way the wide open throw that Jameis Winston missed.

715
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't kill that. That just he missed

716
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: the throw, which is a very unfortunately kind of like

717
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: Jamisy ending because he was incredible in this game. Can

718
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: we can we at least listen to the receiving touchdown?

719
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: This is one of the plays of the year.

720
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Speaker 16: First in Canada, Detroit thirty three pistol formation. Singletary's the

721
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Speaker 16: back behind Winston. Winston pumps his right leg, takes the

722
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Speaker 16: snap play faith. They run an end around for Rowshwsky.

723
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Speaker 16: Who's gonna throw it?

724
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Speaker 3: He does throw it down the up sideline for whisks.

725
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Speaker 5: Oh he's as mayor James for the touchdown.

726
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Speaker 3: Holy cow, Oh do you.

727
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 10: Want to touch step at people Jameis Winston.

728
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's Bob Popa, Oh my gosh, a

729
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: w fan and Carl Banks. The transition to the celebration

730
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. Put that on the Jamis

731
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Speaker 1: Winston Hall of Fame reel.

732
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Speaker 5: That's beautiful.

733
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Speaker 2: The famous dual sport athlete at Florida State, who at

734
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: quarterback is one of the more awkward movers in NFL history,

735
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: somehow gets past the line of scrimmage, shook and turns

736
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Speaker 2: into an exciting athlete where Derek Barnes has the worst

737
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: rep I've ever seen him have.

738
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Speaker 3: Jamus not only adjusted.

739
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: To the football but stiff arms Barnes, steps out of

740
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Speaker 2: it and goes into the end zone.

741
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Speaker 3: Ay.

742
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Speaker 8: I saw some shades of Plaxco Burst there on that catch.

743
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Speaker 8: I mean, just boxing out the defender and breaking the

744
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 8: tackle adjusting to it in mid air. When el Shewsky

745
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 8: stepped up by the way because he had to step

746
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Speaker 8: up into a pocket, that just became a pocket in

747
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 8: the middle of the play. I thought, there's no way

748
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 8: he's throwing at the Jamis downfield. And then he lets

749
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Speaker 8: it go and I'm like, oh my god, Jamis is there.

750
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Speaker 8: And as soon as he boxed him out, that's when

751
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, this is amazing. The broken tackle

752
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 8: was the cherry on top. I had the celebration. You're right,

753
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 8: Paul fam reel right. And that was the second trick

754
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 8: play that worked for them. They had a throwback pass

755
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Speaker 8: to Jamis earlier that he had for a touchdown to

756
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Speaker 8: Wandale Robinson to open the scoring.

757
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Speaker 9: Wild Day.

758
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a thirty nine yarder from Jamis.

759
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: There was a third and ten from his own end

760
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: zone where he throws it totally under fire a ball

761
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Speaker 1: that I thought might have scraped the top of the

762
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Speaker 1: dome and it goes to Isaiah Hodgens complete down the field.

763
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Speaker 1: Just amazing timing, Hut spot everything and talent out of

764
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Speaker 1: Jamis and Hodgens there and then he has a third

765
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Speaker 1: and seventeen later in that drive. So I disagree with

766
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Speaker 1: you both after hitting those plays. You know, Jamis didn't

767
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: execute on the play on the goal line, but you

768
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: have a guy open on the goal line, you could

769
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Speaker 1: go win the game right there. And Nick use the

770
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Speaker 1: phrase trust your defense with the two twenty twenty five Giants.

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Speaker 5: Defense, I'm never trusting defense. They just lost. They just

772
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Speaker 5: lost me.

773
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Speaker 8: They can get after Jared Goff. You know Brian Burns

774
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 8: a little on that last drive. Brian Burns did go

775
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Speaker 8: take a breather, So maybe maybe you're right.

776
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Speaker 5: And yeah, it's crazy.

777
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Speaker 1: The Gibbs day as great, like they have really leaned

778
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Speaker 1: into playing him more forty eight snaps to twenty two

779
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Speaker 1: for Montgomery. And I know he hit those two big

780
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Speaker 1: plays and that's like most of his yard, but he

781
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Speaker 1: had a seventy five percent success or seventy seven percent

782
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: success rate on his fronts today, so it was not

783
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Speaker 1: even just the long ones. Put that man in whatever

784
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: conversation you want, offensive player of the year, I guess,

785
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad because if if the Lions had lost

786
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: on that play to Jamis Wins, I think you just

787
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: have to eliminate them from playoff contention.

788
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: I just think your season's over. Wow, you just have

789
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 5: to go home. So it's a good thing.

790
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: Like a rule, it's just a new rule.

791
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Speaker 5: They're seven.

792
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: And man, this NFC North, like all the teams are

793
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: a little bit flawed and really have no idea. Who's

794
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: going to go out on top. Let's talk about another one.

795
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 1: After this break, you will go to lambeau Field.

796
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Speaker 17: It is second down and goal to go inside the

797
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 17: one yard line. Love under center, Wilson alone back. They've

798
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 17: got a wing set up in the right side, and

799
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Speaker 17: Love takes hand off up the middle.

800
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Speaker 11: It's Wilson to the endside, touch down, and the Packers

801
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 11: cash in and take US sixteen.

802
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: To six lead.

803
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Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson, Congratulations to that young man. Congratulations to the

804
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: people who picked him up in fantasy and just played

805
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: him right away. Congratulations to the Green Bay Packers who

806
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: are seven three and one. They destroy the Minnesota Vikings

807
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: twenty three to six in a game where it felt

808
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: like the Vikings were not getting into double digits. Shook

809
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: if you gave them another sixty minutes of play.

810
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're asolutely right.

811
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 8: In fact, it was so apparent that they weren't getting

812
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 8: into double digits that Matt Lafleur, perhaps uncharacteristically just leaned

813
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 8: on the run in the second half, played as conservatively

814
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 8: as possible, just run heavy, not taking any chances, settling

815
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 8: for field goals, just slowly building that lead because he

816
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 8: watched his defense dominate JJ McCarthy and the whole Vikings offense,

817
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 8: especially in the second half. By the end of this game,

818
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 8: the Vikings they had ten total net yards in the

819
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 8: second half ten. At one point in the fourth quarter,

820
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 8: they were at negative eleven. They were being outgained something

821
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Speaker 8: like one forty to negative eleven. Complete domination started with

822
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 8: the Packers defense, and the offense was able to just

823
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 8: ride the ground game. Didn't need Jordan Love to be

824
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 8: a hero, and they were able to ride the ground

825
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 8: game without Josh Jacobs because of Emmanuel Wilson. Great day

826
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 8: for him with a career high one hundred and seven

827
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 8: and two touchdowns and a feel good win for the

828
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 8: Packers who have to really like what they're seeing from

829
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 8: their defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the defense has taken over against some lackluster offensive competition.

831
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: We'll get to the Jj McCarthy of it all, But

832
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: what did you see out of the defense in terms

833
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: of averaging or only allowing two point two yards per

834
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Speaker 1: pass play on the vikings and then picking them off

835
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: a couple times late.

836
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Speaker 8: I saw a very consistently collapsed pocket and some of

837
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 8: it had to do with JJ holding onto the ball

838
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 8: for an extra beat, which we know that's typical of

839
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 8: him so far in his pro career and dating back

840
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 8: to when he was at Michigan as well.

841
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 9: But it was a pass rush that came at you

842
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 9: from every angle. It wasn't just Micah Parsons. It was

843
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 9: Rashan Gary, it was Devonte Wyatt.

844
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Speaker 8: They were game wreckers coming from all different directions, and

845
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 8: especially after you know there's a bit of a shuffle

846
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 8: on the offensive line, like it just gets worse and

847
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 8: worse for McCarthy and the entire offense.

848
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 9: But they just had no hope.

849
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 8: They were backed up inside their five at one point

850
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 8: and McCarthy twice had to run forward just to avoid

851
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 8: getting sacked for a safety. It was complete dominance and

852
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 8: it wasn't just one guy. Parsons obviously does a big

853
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 8: part of it, but this is a complete defensive unit

854
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 8: just imposing their will in Minnesota.

855
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Before before I moved to the JJ Videll actually just

856
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: how did Jordan Love look like health wise? Is I

857
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: did not have eyes on this too much, and it

858
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: just felt like maybe that was part of the decision

859
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: making with all the running too.

860
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 8: That was and there was actually a point in the

861
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 8: broadcasts where I think it was Greg Olsen on the

862
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 8: call who was consistently noting that he was handing it

863
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 8: off with the wrong hand oftentimes, which indicates that he

864
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 8: might be dealing with something. And it was an unremarkable

865
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 8: game from him by design, like he finishes fourteen to

866
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 8: twenty one four one thirty nine, but if you had

867
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 8: to recap that game, he doesn't play much of a

868
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 8: part in it. And I think a lot of it

869
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 8: was just built around protecting and avoiding risk, and because

870
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 8: their defense was so good, they were able to do that.

871
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 8: So it's something that we have to, I think, continue

872
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 8: to monitor especially in what has been a very up

873
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 8: and down season for Jordan Love overall. But on a

874
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 8: daylight today, it didn't really matter much, which is good

875
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 8: for them.

876
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're heading into just that monster Thanksgiving game

877
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: against the Lions. This is one of the best Thanksgiving

878
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: slates we've had, just because the games are so meaningful.

879
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 5: It's now that time, unfortunately, that.

880
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: We do have to talk about JJ McCarthy, which at

881
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: this point it doesn't feel like fun. First, let's actually

882
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Speaker 1: let Wayne Lairvi from w R and W talk a

883
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: little bit about JJ McCarthy at least his last pick

884
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: of the day.

885
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 17: Swap to the left side, Jefferson, why to the left

886
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 17: balentime that way as well. Safeties are high coverage. Just

887
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 17: saw here's the snap. McCarthy looks Fire's left side and the.

888
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: Overthrow better sceptin.

889
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 17: Evan Williams william his second game in a row with

890
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 17: an interception, and that will do it. Evan Williams delivers

891
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 17: his second consecutive dagger.

892
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 5: Love a second consecutive dagger.

893
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: We we thought about listening to Paul Allen on Minnesota,

894
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, just for the kind of disappointment of it all,

895
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: but it just seemed mean and like he might be

896
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: over at that point of the game there, four and seven,

897
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: like he didn't even really have the juice to be

898
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: that sad.

899
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we heard Paul on the downside last week.

900
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: We had a chance to listen to it before the show,

901
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: and it's it's not a person who expected a different

902
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: outcome at this point, the offense struggling JJ McCarthy with

903
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: a big overstride on that overthrow to Jalen Naylor, who

904
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: you wanted that ball a little bit on the inside.

905
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, the emotions come through from Paul, one of

906
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: the best in the game. But he's honest. He's honest

907
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: in the way he feels about it. It's not a

908
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: good feeling in Minnesota or I.

909
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Don't know if I've ever seen this, Like JJ had

910
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: a negative point sixty five EPA per play today and

911
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: before those last two interceptions it was actually negative point

912
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: four something, So it wasn't even just the turnovers. That

913
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: means every time JJ McCarthy is dropping back to pass

914
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: like they're giving up two thirds of a point, it's

915
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: just a crazy stat What like, what did it look

916
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: like when you're trying to isolate his play shook versus

917
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: just the Packers defense playing well.

918
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's how in effective they are as

919
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 8: a passing offenseve Jj quarterback. It's funny because I brought

920
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 8: up the Matt Laflord leaning on the run in the

921
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 8: second half. Kevin O'Connell tried to do that in the

922
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 8: first half, like more than probably he's done the entire season,

923
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 8: and it kept them competitive, but it also felt intentional,

924
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 8: as if to not throw his quarterback to the Wolves.

925
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 8: But if this is your starter and you want to

926
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 8: contend with him, eventually you're going to have to test him.

927
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 8: In the second half, they had to test him because

928
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 8: they were the deficit was increasing incrementally, and ultimately he

929
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 8: failed that test. And what you see from him is

930
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 8: inconsistent feet, which O'Connell has talked about trying to marry

931
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 8: the eyes and the feet, and you see somebody who

932
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 8: is not entirely confident in the decisions that he makes,

933
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 8: whether it's with timing, hesitating for half a beat or

934
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 8: a full beat, whether he the pockets collapsing on him.

935
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 8: He doesn't sense the rush, which has been an issue.

936
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 8: He gets his arm hit on his first pick, which

937
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 8: sends it flying right into the hands of a defender

938
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Speaker 8: for an interception, or it's just the.

939
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 9: Fact that he doesn't seem like he's up to speed

940
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 9: with the game.

941
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 8: And then when he sails that pass, that's one of

942
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 8: the few times that he throws it in rhythm with

943
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 8: obviously a very big stride. Footwork again not working very well,

944
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 8: but he sails it to the point where you get

945
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 8: the leap from Jalen Neelers if he's like, I have

946
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 8: no shot of getting that ball.

947
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 9: This is just what we're dealing with right now.

948
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 8: It's got to be so frustrating to be a Vikings

949
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 8: receiver right now knowing that the guy who's you know,

950
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 8: directing your offense can can douce makes some magic, but

951
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 8: the quarterback just can't make it happen.

952
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: Very difficult decision for Kevin O'Connell. I think whether to

953
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: keep playing him because he's at a like Zach Wilson,

954
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: early Zach Wilson level right now where it just feels

955
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: like maybe you owe it to the team to give

956
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: Brosma a chance for a couple of weeks and just

957
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: see it if that's any better. Let's listen to Koc

958
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: after the game.

959
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 13: I still believe you know, he's he's absolutely under control.

960
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 13: From a play call standpoint. There's little things, you know

961
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 13: that happen, like a quarterback getting tripped up, you know,

962
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 13: on a play pass where you might have a look

963
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 13: at something, or you know, just maybe the dialogue in

964
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 13: the huddle making sure all eleven are on the same pittures.

965
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 13: Little things that come up here and there that just

966
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 13: continue to limit your chances of having ultimate success enough

967
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 13: against the good defense to go put points on the board.

968
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 13: But it is one of those things where I do

969
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 13: believe wholeheartedly that you know, it takes a driver two

970
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 13: of confidence building to truly cement kind of what we

971
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 13: want to be as an offense.

972
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: So if their season was not over before this week,

973
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: it is now. And unfortunately they had some major injuries

974
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: in this game too. Donovan Jackson, their first round guard,

975
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: goes out late. Christian Daris saw their left tackle was

976
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: hurt during the game, as you kind of heart alluded

977
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: to in the call, and Josh Mattelis, their great safety,

978
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: was also hurt. So when it rains, it pours for

979
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: the Vikings. But yeah, the Packers set up a really

980
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: big one On Thanksgiving. We'll be talking about that on

981
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Tuesday will be our Thanksgiving preview. Let's wrap up the

982
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: NFC North here with the team that was leading the

983
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: division heading into Sunday.

984
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 5: Fourth one seconds snap back Rudolph pro wep.

985
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 12: A complete it was better Gov. Bears are gonna win

986
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 12: this one. Betet down again. The Bears got their hands

987
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 12: up on fourth don at six and we got a Oh,

988
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 12: Jeff Joniak, He's on this show every freaking week. Thirty

989
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 12: one twenty eight. Bears survive another one, this time over

990
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 12: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

991
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 5: So that's a win?

992
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: What by three points today, two points last week, four

993
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: points a few weeks back before that, and five points

994
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: against the Bengals are a team that finds a way

995
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: to get it done.

996
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 5: How did they get it done today?

997
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: Patrick Well?

998
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: I will call it because I thought of a name

999
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: for Dennis Allen's defense. They are the bend and break

1000
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: their hearts defense from the Chicago Bears. Where it works

1001
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: once again. The Steelers a mass three hundred and forty

1002
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: five net yards. They outgained the Bears. They converted eight

1003
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: to fourteen first downs. They got big chunk plays like

1004
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell on a fake tush push where all the

1005
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: fake tousch pushes are way more successful than the actual

1006
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: touch pushes going around in the league. Kenneth Kennedy had

1007
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: a fifty two yard or somehow didn't get in, but

1008
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: they don't let him score. They let Jaylen Warren score,

1009
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: by the way, so Kenny g leads the Steelers in rushing.

1010
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: But you get another great Nashan Wright interception where he

1011
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: almost does the same thing he did last week, where

1012
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: it's a great one hand essentially interception to rob dk

1013
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: Metcalf of a completion on the sideline. And then late

1014
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: you get Montes Sweat getting the Bears an extra possession

1015
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: with a strip sack. He has six and a half

1016
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: sacks over his last six games. And yeah, they give

1017
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: up yards, but this team is going to get the

1018
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: ball from You get an extra possession or two in

1019
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: this instance, and get enough to hold on and get

1020
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: a win. In the fourth quarter against a Steelers team

1021
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: with Mason Rudolph that did move the ball. They lost

1022
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 2: dk Metcalf for a stretch in this game. He would

1023
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 2: eventually come back. Joey Porter Junior also left this game,

1024
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: which had an impact on the defense. But you get

1025
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: three touchdowns from Caleb nice work with the ball.

1026
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: He did.

1027
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: End up falling victim to t J.

1028
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 2: Watt had another strip sack herbig jumped on top of

1029
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 2: it for a touchdown. One hundred and fifteen career sacks

1030
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: for TJ Watt. He passed JJ Watt. Yeah, famously Justin

1031
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: James Watt, who played for the Houston Texans. So, Greg,

1032
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, how many sacks does TJ

1033
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: need to, in your mind be a better player than

1034
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: JJ Watt.

1035
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a number.

1036
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: Oh.

1037
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: I think what TJ would have to do is be

1038
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: the one of the best players ever for like a

1039
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: couple of seasons in a row. And I and it's

1040
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: crazy to say that, because you're making me. You're the

1041
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: one that says, oh, you don't like to compare him.

1042
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: I know, but their brothers in the stat was there.

1043
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: As I say, TJ Watt is a inner circle, first

1044
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer yep. And yet I don't think

1045
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: there's anything he could do because I think JJ Watt

1046
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: is the best defensive player since I started covering football,

1047
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: which is like twenty something years now, which is crazy

1048
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: twenty years.

1049
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's the best. So I don't think.

1050
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think TJ could get it

1051
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: number five.

1052
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: By the way, on our top twenty five players of

1053
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: the last twenty five, we know what TJ was on

1054
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: that list.

1055
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, look credit to.

1056
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: Him, just down because there's nothing he can do.

1057
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 5: He was like twenty one.

1058
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: He ketch big brother.

1059
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 5: He can climb that list, but we'll get into the

1060
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 5: top five would be tough.

1061
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: There was nothing he could do on one of the

1062
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: biggest defensive possessions because the Steelers again that chances in

1063
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: the second half, there was a third down where the

1064
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: Steelers secondary just releases DJ Moore to the grass. They

1065
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: were trying to pass DJ Moore on Essentially there was

1066
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: no defender there and so Caleb Williams hits him for

1067
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: his third touchdown of the day. There's a chance though,

1068
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: with Mason Rudolph in a comeback attempt. He hit Pat

1069
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: Friarmouth for six and then got the ball back with

1070
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: a minute and twenty nine.

1071
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: Seconds to go.

1072
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 2: But there was Jakwan Brisker on fourth down, the call

1073
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: that you heard from Jony k as they fade to

1074
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: black and the Bears get another big.

1075
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: Hell, let's listen to another call from Jonyack it could

1076
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: that play because to me, it was typical of what

1077
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: we've seen a little too often from the Steelers defense

1078
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: this year.

1079
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 6: Third got a sixth shotgunch staff caleob Toasch thetball playing up,

1080
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Speaker 6: but got a Steamni Scott j More Touchcot Bears Baby bearsipticably.

1081
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: I mean, there's nowhere nobody on the screen.

1082
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: It just you just see that more often, and in

1083
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: a game where the Steelers had a higher success rate

1084
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: passing the ball, a higher success rate running the ball,

1085
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: you just see these mistakes sometimes from the Steelers defense

1086
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: and they're just not as complete as you want them

1087
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: to be. Ultimately, I guess we get Aaron Rodgers back

1088
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: next week. Mike Tomlins said after the game, I thought

1089
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: it might look a little different with Mason Rudolph, and

1090
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: it ultimately didn't.

1091
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 5: Really. We did not have a wide receiver top thirty

1092
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 5: six yards in this game.

1093
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 9: Shook no, and that's not surprising.

1094
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 8: What infuriates me with the Steelers team is you just

1095
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 8: never get the complimentary football. You get one week where

1096
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 8: the defense is really good, like last week against Cincinnati,

1097
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 8: you get this week where the offense isn't great, but statistically,

1098
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 8: they put up, you know, three hundred and forty five yards.

1099
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 8: They're in the game, it's thirty one twenty eight to

1100
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 8: the nyl and the defense drops the ball. And that

1101
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 8: is why I think that they perfectly present their record

1102
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 8: at six and five.

1103
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: Now.

1104
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 8: They are a near five hundred team with the potential

1105
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 8: to put together a great performance against a good team

1106
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 8: and challenge them, but ultimately cannot be trusted to produce

1107
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 8: in big spots against red hot teams like the Bears,

1108
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 8: especially on the road, which is a bummer.

1109
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 9: And I don't think Aaron Rodgers makes that any better

1110
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 9: for them.

1111
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Yeah, they Caleb Williams play was probably the worst

1112
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: sack that he's took this year in terms of not

1113
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: understanding he needed to get rid of the ball there

1114
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: and spinning back. But a Bears fan hit me up

1115
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: after that one was like, the difference is now the

1116
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Bears have a Caleb Williams a quarterback and he's playing

1117
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: the way where immediately he responds with like a touchdown

1118
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: drive after that. So kudos to the Bears staying atop

1119
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: this division, and kudos to Ben Johnson proven all those

1120
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: people wrong who said that he just didn't have.

1121
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 5: It as like a leader.

1122
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: Is he a leader of men? Or is he some

1123
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: sort of egghead? I mean he's he might be the

1124
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: biggest star in the locker room this year.

1125
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, I tell you what.

1126
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: I tell you what.

1127
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 3: It takes a village.

1128
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 18: It takes a village. And I'm talking about players, I'm

1129
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 18: talking about coaches, I'm talking about training staff, I'm talking

1130
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 18: about everybody in this building. And here we are that

1131
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 18: half the season and our depth is being tested. All right,

1132
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 18: how we're gonna win this game? We got no linebacker?

1133
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: You guys so bad at I I love that they

1134
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: have fun of Chicago.

1135
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: They they're doing that you make a pint.

1136
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go, uh huh, doing straight up migos

1137
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: ad libs for Ben Johnson. That's how you know you

1138
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: got it, man, Go Bears. Eight and three, Mama, let's

1139
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: just go. Let's go to Let's go to Tennessee, Seattle.

1140
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this stact.

1141
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: Let's not go.

1142
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: Let's just point out the fact that the Steelers fell

1143
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: to six and five today, and after having such a

1144
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: big lead in the AFC North, there was a risk, yes,

1145
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: that they gave up that division lead before Thanksgiving.

1146
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 5: The Ravels will go for it on fourth end goal.

1147
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 15: DeAndre Hopkins splits out wide to the right, Z eight

1148
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 15: flowers to the left, Derrick Henry alone to the backfield.

1149
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 15: Lamar unders center on fourth end goal from the Jets too.

1150
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 15: The gives to Henry right side.

1151
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 5: He's got a holy g in touch then.

1152
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Driven easy pasy Derrick Henry and that run. But it

1153
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: was not in easy games for Derrick Henry and this

1154
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: Ravens team trail that halftime, struggled with an opponent that

1155
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: they would seem to overmatch on paper again, but end

1156
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: up winning by a couple scores. Again, these games have

1157
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: been consistent, Patrick, twenty three to ten.

1158
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 5: Does that make you feel any better?

1159
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: No, it did not make me feel better because the

1160
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: concerns over the past few weeks of eight moving around

1161
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: more slowly and sluggish and looking like he's uncomfortable in

1162
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: the pocket. Today was the biggest example of that, in

1163
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: a game where Torod Taylor had more passing yards, more completions,

1164
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: and more touchdowns than Lamar, who was coming off a

1165
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: streak of thirty consecutive games with a touchdown pass and

1166
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: now there's no touchdowns in his last two games.

1167
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: You have to go back to twenty nineteen for that.

1168
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: And other than literally the Derrick Henry touchdown run which

1169
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: pat Riccard comes around and blows up that side of

1170
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: the field. They could blocking on that play and Henry

1171
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: is able to walk in. Everything was a slog. It

1172
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 2: was difficult. Kyle Hamilton left the game multiple times, comes

1173
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: back in, which is something that you know, you grow

1174
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: accustomed to Kyle Hamilton doing.

1175
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 5: At this point, did he finish the game.

1176
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: He didn't finish the He went into the locker room

1177
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: stayed in after the game. Coach Tarball said nothing major

1178
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: concerning at this point for Kyle Hamilton, which is good

1179
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: news because the defense once again held the opponent under

1180
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: twenty points and the offense just scratched out enough in

1181
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: this sense, but the way things are currently constructed and

1182
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: they're currently playing on offense where receivers aren't necessarily getting

1183
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: a ton of separation, the time is a little You know,

1184
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: Lamar had a lot of time to throw, which he

1185
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: typically does because he extends plays, but his ability to

1186
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: be explosive back there is a big part of holding

1187
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: the ball and clearly not one hundred percent, and the

1188
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: whole offense in general is not at one hundred.

1189
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were held under two hundred and fifty yards

1190
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: against a Jets team. It's almost doing it perfectly in

1191
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: terms of they're competing every week. But there are probably

1192
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: some fans that wouldn't mind getting a higher draftic. They're

1193
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: not embarrassing themselves. They've definitely improved on defense, especially they

1194
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: hold the Ravens under two hundred and fifty yards. Now,

1195
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: the Ravens have held six straight opponents under twenty points,

1196
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: and one of them was the Rams. The rest of them,

1197
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, and one of them was the Bears, who

1198
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: is a very good offense. They have found different formulas

1199
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: to win. You're an AFC North expert, Shook, having lived

1200
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: in Ohio. How are you feeling about the fact that

1201
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 1: everyone was right? Yeah, the Ravens are going to catch

1202
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: the Steelers. They've already caught them. I mean, it's a tie,

1203
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: but they're winning the tiebreaker right now. How do you

1204
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: feel about where this Ravens team is at though? With

1205
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: these wins like Vikings, this Browns game, the Jets game,

1206
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: even the Dolphins game, they all feel pretty similar.

1207
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you could sound cliche and just say

1208
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 8: a win's a win right, and that's really what matters

1209
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 8: most of them at this point. I would like to

1210
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 8: think that they're a team that's going to peak at

1211
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 8: the right time, and they're just kind of building that way.

1212
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 8: It's just that it's it's so small and increments that

1213
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 8: there's not really like a case building that that's actually

1214
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 8: going to come to fruition. And it starts with Lamar.

1215
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 8: But the side that you have to be really confident

1216
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 8: in is this defense. For what you just said, holding

1217
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 8: a bunch of teams under twenty points. Ever since they

1218
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 8: acquired a Loie Gilman, they've been able to go to

1219
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 8: this three s ifety look that's allowed them to look,

1220
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 8: you know, present so many different defensive looks for opposing

1221
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 8: quarterbacks that they're just super effective in coverage. They can

1222
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 8: do a number of different things with a personnel grouping

1223
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 8: that is unorthodox by today's standard, even in the in

1224
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 8: the world that we live in where everybody's prettymuch running

1225
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 8: nikel defense as their base defense. And I think that

1226
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 8: that is what's going to carry them through this period.

1227
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 8: And you hope that eventually Lamar gets healthy enough or

1228
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 8: comfortable enough that their offense opens back up, because it

1229
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 8: just hasn't. And I think that when they played the

1230
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 8: Browns last week that did not do them a favor

1231
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 8: because they couldn't get in any rhythm in that game

1232
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 8: because that Brown's defense was all over them. And so

1233
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 8: it's not surprising to see them only put up twenty

1234
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 8: three points and struggle in a game like this. It

1235
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 8: was the perfect time for the Jets to turn to

1236
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 8: Tyrod as opposed to justin Fields to give them a

1237
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 8: chance to be competitive, which I think, you know, played

1238
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 8: a part in this game. But ultimately, when I look

1239
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 8: at the Ravens, I'm still very confident that they're going

1240
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 8: to win the division. They're going to be in the playoffs,

1241
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 8: and you hope that they peak at the right time

1242
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 8: so you can take them seriously as a team that

1243
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 8: can win in the playoffs.

1244
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 5: I just, you know, I want to look at it closer.

1245
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: But on a day where the Jets got like no

1246
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: pass rush, their pressure rate is really low, and the

1247
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: Ravens offense has like a very low success rate against

1248
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: the Jets, little surprising thirty five percent compared to fifty

1249
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: percent for the Jets. But they are in first place

1250
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: and they will be playing on Thanksgiving night, against the Bengals,

1251
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: and yes, they'll have to try to win that game

1252
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: to stay atop the NFC or the AFC North. Let's

1253
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: now flip over to the NFC and see if the

1254
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: Seahawks could take care of business down in Tennessee.

1255
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: Third down and six slot to the New York side.

1256
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 17: Smith and Jigman now comes over from left to life

1257
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 17: four man rush.

1258
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 6: Donald has time, gonna let it fly, got a man

1259
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 6: jsid makes the Cats, takes the tackle.

1260
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 5: He's gonna back into the end zone for a touchdown.

1261
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 11: Shayhawks sixty three yards single coverage.

1262
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 5: You guys know better than that Tennessee, do they?

1263
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1264
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: It was actually one of two different times on this

1265
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: day where they got Jackson Smith and Jigba singled up

1266
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: on a safety and he took it to the house.

1267
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 5: Well, not each time.

1268
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Eight for one, sixty seven and two touchdowns overall. Not

1269
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: only did he have that that long one, he also

1270
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: had a fifty six yarder in the game that did

1271
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: not go for a score. Jackson Smith and Jigba has

1272
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: set the all time franchise record for yards by a

1273
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: Seahawks receiver in a season in Week twelve. In Week twelve,

1274
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: you know how you always have to be like, well,

1275
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: you know the season's line, like there was never a

1276
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: season that was shorter than twelve games. It's ridiculous. He

1277
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: is really incredible, and I'll just say it here. Patrick

1278
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: score this one for the Jackson Smith and JIGBA MVP campaign.

1279
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: I think at a certain point, after after the four

1280
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: i NT game, perhaps we don't we don't give these

1281
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: points to Sam Donald now or if the Seahawks win,

1282
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: those points generally are going to JSN.

1283
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: And Donald had an uneven game. I know the stats

1284
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: look great in those I mean, every one of his

1285
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: deep throws to JSN is like better than the last.

1286
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: It was really awesome, like that particular throw, but the

1287
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: other deep one was great too. But he had a

1288
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: couple turnover where he plays in this game. He was

1289
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: lucky not to get picked off a couple different times

1290
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, and so they got away with it.

1291
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: And overall, thirty to twenty four is the final score,

1292
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: and it was not as close as that would indicate.

1293
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: Because Chamary DK, who might be making All Pro as

1294
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: a return man as a rookie, which is pretty great

1295
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: for the Titans, return another punt return. So that's one

1296
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: of the Titans touchdowns. And then they had a never

1297
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: ending drive at the end.

1298
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 5: Of the game.

1299
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: They ended their chance to win with a touchdown drive.

1300
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: They they did they It really did feel like they

1301
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: were kind of just trying to score to make themselves

1302
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: feel better. But it took forever for them to score

1303
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the game and essentially ended the game.

1304
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: And if you watch Mike McCoy the interim head coaches

1305
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: press conference after it, you would thought they won the game.

1306
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: They were so happy, And I think that was because

1307
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: cam Ward played awesome in this game. It was his

1308
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: best game of the season. It was one of the

1309
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: best games any quarterback has had against the Seahawks. And

1310
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: if nothing else, he also led the team in rushing.

1311
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: That was one reason why they were not competitive in

1312
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: this game is they had Their success rate was through

1313
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: the floor in terms of Tony Pollard and Tyzeri spears.

1314
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 5: But cam Ward looked great.

1315
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we can really drive much else from

1316
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Titans games for the rest of the year.

1317
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 8: No, And I think that's got to be the focus

1318
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 8: from here on out is how much progress does cam

1319
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 8: Ward make him and Shamiri dk and, like I a

1320
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 8: manner like the future of the team kind of worry

1321
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 8: about the running game. I mean, I have a lot

1322
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 8: of respect for Tony Pollard, but I also know that

1323
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 8: the offensive line, no matter how much they've invested in it,

1324
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 8: is just not a good group and it's not good

1325
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 8: for run blocking. So I don't hold that against Tony

1326
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 8: Pollard necessarily, But it's got to be all about cam

1327
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 8: Ward because that is obviously your franchise quarterback. You spent

1328
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 8: the number one pick on him, and you're also going

1329
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 8: to have a really high pick again, and you don't

1330
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 8: have to spend it on quarterback as long as you

1331
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 8: keep him on that path. So it's really encouraging to

1332
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 8: see him have, you know, the best game of his

1333
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 8: season because you know, like when I do QB index,

1334
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 8: he's always in that lower third.

1335
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 9: But I kind of want to nudge him up, and

1336
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 9: he has like a bad game.

1337
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 8: It's just that the Titans are so bad that he

1338
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 8: can only do so much, and so to see him

1339
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 8: have a good game like this, it gives me a

1340
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 8: lot of, you know, reason to bump him up, because

1341
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 8: I think he's been fairly steady in most of his

1342
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 8: games this season.

1343
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: I was locked into this one, and I was noting

1344
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: at halftime and even going into the third quarter. They

1345
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: had three points at that point, and then he missed

1346
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: the throw on a screen to Spears, and I was like,

1347
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: that's the first even minor mistake Kim Word has made

1348
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: in this game. He was playing about a perfect game,

1349
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: and yet they had three points on the board, which.

1350
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 5: I think exactly what the Titans are right it really,

1351
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 5: but he.

1352
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: Hits a deep shot, he has another deep shot that

1353
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: hits his receiver in the hands. He has a play

1354
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: a dime over the middle to James Proche. They started

1355
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: Van Jefferson, Chamiaradka and James Proche at wide receiver. The

1356
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: leading receiver is Gunner Helm on this day, and the

1357
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: coaches have been telling Ward to run more, and I

1358
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: think it was a coaching point in this game because

1359
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: there were many key important moments where he did run

1360
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: the ball and get first downs with his legs. And

1361
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: then yeah, if you're watching this game on YouTube, you'll

1362
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: see this isn't a throw of the Year candidate, because

1363
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: if we had cam Ward throwing the ball against his body,

1364
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: across his body while going out of bounds like another one,

1365
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: I think we have seven of them this year, but

1366
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: there was a crazy third and nine that was just

1367
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: awesome to Xavier Ristreppo, who Titans, you know, fans have

1368
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: been calling for all season and they got him. He

1369
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: had a lot more conventional throws in this game, but

1370
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: it was nice to see the cam Ward specialist.

1371
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were calling for him because it's you know,

1372
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: we've it's an eligible because we do have cam Ward

1373
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: fadeaway out of bounds shots, but none to Xavier or

1374
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: Strepplo because that's his first career catch on that great

1375
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: ball from cam Ward where it was all day. He

1376
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: was pressured on forty two percent of his dropbacks. In

1377
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: those dropbacks, he was nine or fourteen four one hundred

1378
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: yards with a plus eleven completion percentage over expected against

1379
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: a defense that has dogged everybody, including you know, the

1380
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: Rams got the win.

1381
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: But Matthew Stafford a couple weeks ago.

1382
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: And you might have thought, okay, well, cam Ward holds

1383
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: onto the ball, that's why the pressure rate. So I No,

1384
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: in this game, he was getting rid of.

1385
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 5: The ball for the most part.

1386
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Derek Hall of the Seahawks had five quick pressures on

1387
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: his own. The Seahawks actually, you know, struggled other than

1388
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: really Derek Hall to get like a ton of quick pressure.

1389
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: But for the most part, like they were better. I

1390
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: thought cam Ward like for one game, like outplayed Sam

1391
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: Darnald by just a little bit. But we shouldn't give

1392
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: too much credit. Seattle had a big lead in this game.

1393
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: They did what good teams need to do, and they

1394
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: did give the ball to Kenneth Walker a little more

1395
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: or he played a higher percentage of snaps today, which

1396
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: I was interested to see. He had two thirds of

1397
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: the snaps and two thirds of the touches, and going

1398
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: into the week, they kind of said that that was

1399
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, so they might be kind of riding

1400
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: ken Walker. And they ran the ball quite well today

1401
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: against the Titans. So they take care of business. Only

1402
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: uh three losses on the season, eight and three for

1403
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Let's take a break and uh we will

1404
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: be back on the other side. We have not checked

1405
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: in with the New England Patriots.

1406
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 3: The Bengals in a two by two set set me

1407
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: down in five lockoes under center the veteran quarterback with

1408
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 3: a play fake and.

1409
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 4: A deep drop a lot of time double back kickball

1410
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 4: for upside fifteen to ten, Come on around back over

1411
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: the end zone.

1412
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 5: Let's mark as Jones.

1413
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 12: I never picked six against six and thirty.

1414
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 5: Oh boy, I don't look you up.

1415
01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: It's amazing how quickty ten fick.

1416
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 5: You needed the touchdown on offense, you needed a getoff

1417
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 5: on defense.

1418
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's Scott Zolek on w b Z along with

1419
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: Bob Sochi. The Marcus Jones Pro Bowl season continues apace.

1420
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: He also had the game ceiling pass defense on the

1421
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: very last play of the game. Yes, the Cincinnati Bengals

1422
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: were in it until the last play of the game,

1423
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: but the Patriots escaped twenty six to twenty and Joe

1424
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: Flacco and all the magic that he's brought is, you know,

1425
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: come back to Earth. They don't want to pick on

1426
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: him too much. But on a day where the Bengals

1427
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: defense showed up, shook and got a lot of stops

1428
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: in the red zone, especially on the one yard line,

1429
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals offense without Jamar Chase and then without T

1430
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: Higgins late in the game wasn't up for the challenge.

1431
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was even a bad sequence in the fourth

1432
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 8: quarter where yoshavask goes down Andrey Yoshvasco's down. The next played,

1433
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 8: t Higgins goes down and you're like, oh man, what

1434
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 8: else do the Bengals have to deal with. It's already

1435
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 8: a rough day for them offensively, but you know, not

1436
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 8: to start negative and everything. But that's kind of the

1437
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 8: story of the game, is that their defense gave them chances.

1438
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 8: They made it tough for Drake May and the Patriots

1439
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 8: offense throughout most of the day, and the Bengals offense

1440
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 8: simply couldn't capitalize. Now, that pick six that we just

1441
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 8: played was Joe Flacco's second pick six in as many weeks,

1442
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 8: and each of them are equally as ugly, which kind

1443
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 8: of just captures where the Bengals offense is right now.

1444
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 8: And in games in which their defense does show up

1445
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 8: and their offense fails to show up or at least

1446
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 8: do their part, that explains why they've lost both of

1447
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 8: those games and why they're three to eight right now. Now.

1448
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 8: On the Patriots side, you give them credit because Drake May,

1449
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 8: they got enough done in the first half to be

1450
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,479
Speaker 8: able to just kind of chip away with the field goals,

1451
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 8: but they need to look really inward here going forward

1452
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 8: at their red zone offense, because it was bad today.

1453
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 8: They had a sequence of nine plays, six of which

1454
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 8: were on the Bengals one, and they didn't get any

1455
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 8: points out of it. They went back down there again

1456
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 8: four plays, the last one field goal because Mike Frabele

1457
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 8: learned from the earlier go for an attempt and decided,

1458
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 8: let's just take the points.

1459
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 5: Three points counts. Patrick.

1460
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 9: It's a good thing he took the points, because that's

1461
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 9: what they won by six.

1462
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: It was a rage field goal decision. You look over

1463
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 2: the camera cuts to Mike Rabel to see what he's

1464
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: going to do. He's already got three fingers up and

1465
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: very frustrated fashion because they it wasn't just a goal

1466
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 2: on stop on third down end goal on the previous

1467
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 2: goal one stand, they got a they got a holding penalty,

1468
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: They gave him first and goal again.

1469
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 3: At the one, and they still didn't get it.

1470
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: They had seven snaps total from the one because there

1471
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: was one other one on the ensuing drive that they

1472
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: got from the one. They didn't score one time. And

1473
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: that's why I worry for this Patriots team, which is

1474
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: ten and two but lost the left side of their

1475
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: offensive line to injuries today. Jared Wilson, you know, their

1476
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: their third round pick who's been playing left guard for

1477
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: them and has had his shaff struggles this year, is

1478
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: carted off today with an injury, and then Will Campbell

1479
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: is carted off with the knee injury. He had the

1480
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: towel over his head as he was carded off. It

1481
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't look good. We're not going to speculate at this point,

1482
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: but obviously if they lose both those guys, especially Campbell,

1483
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: who has stabilized that left tackle and been playing really

1484
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 1: solid for them, they could be in trouble. Because I

1485
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: saw something written about this game that's, like, you know,

1486
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots rookies have helped to change their offensive line

1487
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: from embarrassing to above average this season, and now they'll

1488
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: be tested, and I'm like, they're not above average.

1489
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 5: They've been bad.

1490
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: Will Campbell's probably been their best player at left tackle,

1491
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: but they've just gone from by far the league's worst

1492
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: to like acceptable in parts. But their running game has

1493
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: been terrible for a reason, and it's their offensive line.

1494
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: The red zone offense you mentioned today and Drake May

1495
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: entering this week, has faced the second most amount of

1496
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: quick pressures in the entire NFL. Only the Chargers have

1497
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: been worse in terms of quick pressures. So these injuries

1498
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: I think really calls into question how they going to

1499
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: construct an offense moving forward.

1500
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, especially when you can't consistently run the ball.

1501
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 8: And now you've lost half of your offensive line, so

1502
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 8: you're definitely not gonna be able to consistently run the ball.

1503
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 9: It's just going to put more on the shoulders of.

1504
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 8: Drake May, which to this point he's been able to

1505
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 8: handle it, and you give him credit for that, but

1506
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 8: I think today was the first preview of what it

1507
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 8: might look like if he's not able to handle it,

1508
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 8: or if the road is just too bumpy for him

1509
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 8: to find you a steady rhythm, because that's basically what

1510
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 8: this entire offense was in the second half, him missing throws,

1511
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 8: him being pressured and rolling out and not having time

1512
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 8: to throw or find somebody, people not getting open. The

1513
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 8: one time he throws a touchdown pass in the end zone,

1514
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 8: it's a product of an offensive pass interference because it's

1515
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 8: a pick play. Like these are challenges that they're going

1516
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 8: to encounter going forward. If they are limited offensively, too

1517
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 8: much is going to be on their quarterback, and that

1518
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 8: is why you should be concerned about them. But I'm

1519
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 8: not going to take away from the fact that the

1520
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 8: first team to ten wins in the NFL. All right,

1521
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 8: I'll give that that credit.

1522
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: Now.

1523
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 5: That's amazing. And the Bills lose earlier in the week.

1524
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: They're up a two and a half games in the standings,

1525
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: a couple games in the lost column. Those games against

1526
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: the Bills and Ravens like looking even more interesting coming up.

1527
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: But I think they're going to have to have their

1528
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: their defense step up. It's it's not just about, you know,

1529
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: one side of the ball. I think they could do it.

1530
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: They did get kesh On Booty back today and Ramandre

1531
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 1: Stevenson back today and they made it work. And the Bengals,

1532
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: who might get Joe Burrow back on Thanksgiving just just

1533
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 1: to enter is massive.

1534
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Niggaly Booty is massive, Greg, as you know, his

1535
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: return helps. As you know, a team that has relied

1536
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 2: on explosive plays didn't didn't get very many today. I

1537
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 2: thought there was gonna be a great opportunity with the matchup,

1538
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: but as you mentioned, al Golden's defense stood strong and

1539
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: the gift basket may need to go from Voxborough to

1540
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey for being involved in this situation where if

1541
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is in this game because should pointed it out,

1542
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: Yoshi goes down, there's no Higgins relying heavily on Mitch

1543
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 2: Tinsley in the fourth quarter, who did have a touchdown

1544
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: catch where if if Joe has more options that he's

1545
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: not looking staring down the chick in the flat for

1546
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones to take the other way.

1547
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,520
Speaker 3: This game is entirely.

1548
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: Different preseason superstar Mitch Tinsley. That's why you watch the

1549
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: games in August, man. Yeah, and it's unfortunately we will

1550
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: almost certainly won't get to see t Higgins on Thanksgiving.

1551
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase will be eligible to be back.

1552
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: T Higgins' mom did tweet out that it that she thought,

1553
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, her son was okay, and by that, I

1554
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: think just like feeling okay.

1555
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: But it would be.

1556
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: Surprising, you know, if he goes through the protocol quick

1557
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: enough to play on Thursday night, so they'll have that

1558
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: game against the Ravens. Let's go to Arizona, the game

1559
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: that truly made Patrick lose his mind.

1560
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 19: They're not showing blitz, they said for here we go

1561
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 19: to set off to throw lookie lookie fars the jeep downfield.

1562
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 5: That pole is going to be not the way, not the.

1563
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 9: Way, look the way to jack winning.

1564
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 5: It over time with another torific defensive play. All these

1565
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 5: cardiac cats they win it again. I you win on

1566
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 5: the roads for the jackson Bill Jaguar.

1567
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: They're back to being fun. Then it certainly was messy

1568
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty four in just like a connoisseur's delight.

1569
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: To me, this was a delightful game. I can't wait

1570
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: to watch it a little closer. Frank Frangie on wj

1571
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 1: XL watched it extremely close, and yes, the Jaguars defense

1572
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: bails out Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence who had four

1573
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: turnovers on the day, and they escaped the desert with

1574
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: a victory to get them to seven and four. But Patrick,

1575
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: I do want to hear about the decision making process

1576
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: late in the game and what you thought of Liam

1577
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: Cohen and his fourth and one call.

1578
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen and the Jacksonville Jaguars late in the fourth

1579
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 2: quarter have an opportunity fourth and one to kick a

1580
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: field goal and go up six late and the models,

1581
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: both models, both widely distributed models, had a slim margin,

1582
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: but still a margin in favor of going for it.

1583
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen ultimately decides to have Trevor Lawrence throw the

1584
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 2: ball to Tim Patrick and it's incomplete with a minute

1585
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: and forty three seconds to go, so instead of a

1586
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: six point lead with a minute forty it is now

1587
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: a three point lead, and Jacoby Brissett promptly goes down

1588
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: the field. They get Chad Ryland on a kick and

1589
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: the game goes to overtime.

1590
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: I got to throw at the end zone. I loved

1591
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: that little game management. By the way, Jacoby Presett does

1592
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: not spike the ball with about fifteen seconds left. Instead,

1593
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: he runs the call there. I thought that was a

1594
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: veteran move and tries to get the defense not really

1595
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: ready for it. He gets a one on one on

1596
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: the side. It doesn't work out, but yeah, it was.

1597
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: It was a little next level. I think you got

1598
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: to look at the game in front of you, and

1599
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: I think that was what's frustrating you, because for the

1600
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 1: most part, the Jaguars defense was playing pretty well in

1601
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: this game, and all they had to do is stop

1602
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: the Cardinals from scoring a touchdown with no timeouts.

1603
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 2: And we've seen the impact that having more of their guys.

1604
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 2: Of course, they're missing incredible amounts of pieces, including the

1605
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: guy they traded up for in the top ten of

1606
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 2: the NFL draft.

1607
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 3: We hope to get back.

1608
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: But Devin Lloyd back in this game, who actually knocked

1609
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett out of the game briefly, but because he's

1610
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett and has his jersey in Canton, Ohio, he

1611
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: summons the will to come back into the game and

1612
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:35,520
Speaker 2: be very successful.

1613
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 5: I have QB hits for Devin Lloyd.

1614
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: He's all over the place, does everything for this defense

1615
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: where I would understand trusting the defense where Josh heinz

1616
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: Allen is having a solid game getting pressure, the Cardinals

1617
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: dealing with injuries of their own on offense, and the

1618
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 2: Jacks have been getting off the field. And it's one

1619
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: of those very frustrating games on the Jags offense where

1620
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: you get both good Trevor and bad Trevor trading places

1621
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: during the game. There was one interception in the red zone.

1622
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 2: I understand Kalais Campbell's been playing football for two hundred

1623
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: and fifty years. He jumps up, tips the ball, it

1624
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: gets picked off. Those types of things happen. Yes, the

1625
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 2: other two Trevor Lawrence interceptions were downright nasty and kept

1626
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,919
Speaker 2: the Cardinals in the game where it's a weird dichotomy

1627
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 2: because they had a whole lot of success running the

1628
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: ball early, including with Trevor Lawrence, and late in the

1629
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 2: game you get that interception. They come back, Trevor and

1630
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers hook up on back to back plays and

1631
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: get a touchdown, and it's like, yay, Jack's passing game.

1632
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: Next possession is a turnover where you're just not sure

1633
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: how this passing game is going to operate.

1634
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what to think of this Jaguars team.

1635
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: They had a design run success rate today of twenty percent.

1636
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: Their running game was awful, So everyone's so mad at

1637
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: the play call on fourth and one, rolling Trevor Lawrence out.

1638
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: They did call a running play on third and one

1639
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: in Baseil Twoton, who I think is the better short

1640
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 1: yardage back, gets stuffed. So their offensive line is just struggling.

1641
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: But that's why you just kick the field goal there.

1642
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: I think because of this situation, Trevor Lawrence has not

1643
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: shown you that he can be trusted. He doesn't even

1644
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: have an open receiver there. I mean to watch that

1645
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: must have felt so helpless for a Jaguars team. And

1646
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: then you watch Jacoby Brissett do what Jacoby Brissett does

1647
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: and overcome the Zebras who gave them a terrible spot

1648
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: which cost them about forty seconds on the final drive

1649
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: because they didn't mark it as a first down and

1650
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: then they had to go for a fourth down and

1651
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: instead of being able to spike the ball, it was

1652
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: a whole thing.

1653
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 5: And then you know, he gets down and at least

1654
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 5: has a chance to go win the game.

1655
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: But when I watched this ending sequence two shook, I thought, like,

1656
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon is a defense first coach, and I know

1657
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: they forced some turnovers today, but they never get.

1658
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 5: The stop that they need.

1659
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: It sucks because they keep losing close games but they

1660
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: never get the stop that they need.

1661
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 8: It's the story of their season, the fourth quarter woes,

1662
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 8: and today was the fourth quarter in overtime woes. It

1663
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 8: was a really fun game because it was very bad

1664
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 8: and forth in the final quarter. But that's not what

1665
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 8: you expect from your team when you have a defensive

1666
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 8: minded coach like Jonathan Yahn. That's not what I expect.

1667
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 8: When I look at the Cardinals week by week and

1668
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 8: make my picks, I go, well, you know what, at

1669
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 8: least I trust their defense, and now it's Jacoby Brissett,

1670
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 8: so I trust him to give maximum effort and maybe

1671
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 8: throw them into situations in which they could potentially win.

1672
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 9: But then it's the fourth quarter problem.

1673
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 8: It's you can't trust them in the final period, which

1674
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 8: is what happened for them today. Although it was really

1675
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 8: nice to see Greg dors get loose and move them

1676
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 8: into field goal range. I thought I was kind of

1677
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 8: hoping they would spike it or something, just to give

1678
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 8: himself maybe one core shot the end zone before kicking

1679
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 8: the field goal.

1680
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: But it's fine, Okay, I see what you're saying. You

1681
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: could have maybe gotten two throws there, and yet well.

1682
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 9: Lined up with like sixteen seconds.

1683
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 5: I was like, bike it, come on.

1684
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I think I get what he was thinking,

1685
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: though I think he saw like they're a little frazzled

1686
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: trying to get set up.

1687
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 5: But I hear what you're saying.

1688
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: And Patrick and I had a long conversation about Greg

1689
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: Dortsch in the newsroom, where I said Greg Dortsch is

1690
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: a championship level fourth receiver. Like if you get dorts

1691
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: as your fourth receiver, you build everything out backwards from there.

1692
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,839
Speaker 5: He can get you to the ship. So the Cardinals

1693
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 5: at least.

1694
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: They have that, they have that foundational piece of a

1695
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: receiving group, which is Greg Dorson is the one.

1696
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 5: And who knows, maybe the Cleveland Browns have a foundational quarterback. Okay,

1697
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 5: I'm just little funny.

1698
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 20: Win shot out Sampson in you never know it's possible, shouting,

1699
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 20: geto the backfield here it's a three by one. Shador

1700
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 20: on third down, throws at Sampson to the flat Sampson

1701
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 20: thirty five, Sampson forty, Sampson first down.

1702
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 5: He's on the raid of thirty five. Get to put.

1703
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 6: Ray's gone, Dylan Sampson touchdown, and that is a LONGUS

1704
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 6: play of the year.

1705
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 9: For your Cleveland brown sixty six yards to the house.

1706
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 11: Nill at Sampson's second receiving touchdown, and for Shador Sanders

1707
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,799
Speaker 11: the first passing touchdown of his young NFL career.

1708
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: Ooh, we haven't heard from andrews Ciciliano and too long

1709
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: he Andrew Nathan Zigura also on the call for wk

1710
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: RK Browns win easy twenty four to ten in Vegas. Yes,

1711
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: Shadar Sanders the first rookie quarterback, or maybe it's debut

1712
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Browns to.

1713
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 5: Win in the last eighteen attempts.

1714
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 3: Wow, it's a wild stack.

1715
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 8: You know how old I was when they had a

1716
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 8: quarterback win his debut?

1717
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 3: Old?

1718
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 5: How old?

1719
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 8: I think?

1720
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 3: It was?

1721
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 12: Two?

1722
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 5: Okay?

1723
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: Uh No, Shouldar didn't have to do a ton of

1724
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting obviously on that play it's a lot

1725
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: of yak. But he did have a beautiful throw early

1726
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: in the game. Quin Shaw juggins with a couple rushing touchdowns,

1727
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: and more importantly, the defense just dominates the Raiders. What

1728
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: did you see out of shadur Nick will start there?

1729
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 8: Well, I anticipated a nasty game between two two and

1730
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 8: eight teams, and we got a bit of a nasty game.

1731
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 8: But what wasn't nasty was Shador. He looked better than

1732
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 8: he did in relief last week. You could tell that

1733
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 8: the week of preparation gave him confidence. He got the

1734
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 8: ball out on time. He didn't hold onto it very

1735
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 8: long except for maybe one or two plays, which is

1736
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 8: very encouraging because that was his biggest weak point.

1737
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 9: He showed off his arm.

1738
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 8: The throw he has, it's like a fifty two yard

1739
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 8: at Isaiah Bond That sets up a quinch on Judkins touchdown,

1740
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 8: rolling right away from pressure, fires it on the run

1741
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 8: over the dB perfectly puts it on Bond for the

1742
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 8: big completion That was at that point their longest play

1743
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 8: of the season before the Samson touchdown. So I thought

1744
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 8: that he executed it in spots. It was uneven, It

1745
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 8: was pretty inconsistent. The offense is still a mess, it's

1746
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 8: still dysfunctional. They still are a low ceiling unit. But

1747
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 8: ultimately he steadied them enough and did enough things. Made

1748
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 8: one bad mistake on an interception that's very typical of

1749
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 8: a rookie. So I say, decent, solid, good thing to

1750
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 8: build on, not a nightmare, which is more than they

1751
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 8: could say about most of their season.

1752
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more than you can say about this Raider season.

1753
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to go too crazy on a day.

1754
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: Their drop back success rate the Browns was twenty three percent,

1755
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Like they weren't consistently do it.

1756
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 5: But he did have a thirty nine yarder to Judy.

1757
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: You mentioned that play to Bond, which which is almost

1758
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: a replay of the chance he had to tie the

1759
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: game late last week to Isaiah Bonnie. He missed it

1760
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: last week, he hits it today. Miles Garrett is doing

1761
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: unspeakable things on the football field. A couple more sacks today?

1762
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: Was it two forced fumbles? What is it like watching

1763
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett right now as a Browns fan?

1764
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 8: Well, it's interesting because you know Brown's fans in the

1765
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 8: moment when they trade it out of two back to

1766
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 8: five and took Mason Graham, a lot of them were

1767
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 8: upset because they wanted Travis Hunter, they wanted the new toy.

1768
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 8: But I think that they're all pretty happy with the

1769
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 8: decision that they made now because Mason Graham, his arrival,

1770
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 8: has brought this defensive line to a higher level, better

1771
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 8: than they were when they had Zadaria Smith and Miles Garrett,

1772
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 8: when they had Jadevian Clowney and Miles Garrett, because now

1773
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 8: there's interior pressure that is consistent, and especially against an

1774
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 8: offensive line that's really bad in the Raiders, I mean horrible,

1775
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 8: worse than you would ever imagine bad. And then you

1776
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 8: deploy Miles Garrett against that and it's like watching a

1777
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 8: monster just feast, just do whatever he wants, just destroy

1778
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 8: a left tackle, line up over the center and shoot

1779
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 8: the a gap. Cause all kinds of problems for Gino

1780
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 8: Smith make his day awful. Ten total sacks for the Browns.

1781
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett had three. He has eighteen eighteen with six

1782
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 8: games to play, like he's gonna break the record.

1783
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 5: He's a little bit don't risk.

1784
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 9: I'm saying he never care. I don't care. I don't

1785
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 9: care he's gonna break it.

1786
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: So Reggie White Ones had nineteen sacks through the first

1787
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: eleven games of the season. That was in nineteen eighty seven.

1788
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: The previous record holder Mark Gastino had seventeen and a

1789
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: half sacks. And of course, yes, Garrett gets more games

1790
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: to play with to try to break Michael straight Hands record.

1791
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: He also had four TFLs today, so he is on

1792
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: an insane tackle for loss rate two and it was

1793
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: three total sacks. I only saw the two forced fumbles,

1794
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: but he had another one. And yeah, this season just

1795
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 1: can't fast enough for the Raiders.

1796
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 3: They're getting worse screct Ye.

1797
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 5: They're the worst team in the NFL. They're worse than

1798
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 5: the Titans.

1799
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 3: It's not even close where I was.

1800
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 2: That was my thoughts because I know everybody was excited

1801
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: about the opportunity to see should or play, see Miles

1802
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: Garrett play against the worst offensive line that I have

1803
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: ever seen.

1804
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 3: I truly think.

1805
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: I believe at this point in the NFL, I have

1806
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 2: not seen an offensive line worse than this. And miles

1807
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: average get off is still, you know, at twenty nine

1808
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: years old, zero seven to one today, still getting off

1809
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,560
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage faster than anybody. And you know,

1810
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: this line is overmatched everywhere, but definitely overmatched with the

1811
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: best defensive player that you know, since since JJ Watt

1812
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 2: was doing things, since Aaron Donald was wrecking things, it's

1813
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 2: not even close. Miles is shouldn't be on the same

1814
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 2: field disease, guys.

1815
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 5: That's absolutely fair. So the Browns three and eight, but

1816
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 5: they are two and zero.

1817
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: In Kevin Stefanski hot seat matchups, he had that one

1818
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: against May McDaniel where I thought, maybe the loser gets

1819
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: fired and they blew out the Dolphins, but they didn't

1820
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: fire McDaniel, and then beats Pete Carroll, who is not

1821
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,839
Speaker 1: having much fun in Vegas. Let's go to New Orleans

1822
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: where no one who was rooting for the home team

1823
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: was having any fun.

1824
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 5: It's yours cousins, looking, He's gonna sil.

1825
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 6: It for Mooney, Dunhill Mooney touchdown Atlanta.

1826
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 12: Oh my goodness, there were two block Shirts back there

1827
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 12: thought they had.

1828
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 17: Good position and Cousins dropped it in a bucket to

1829
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 17: Darnell Mooney.

1830
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 5: Big time throw from Kirk Cousins.

1831
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: Oh, you can't came Kirk Cousins down for too long, Patrick,

1832
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: No matter what you want to do, that's Wes Durham

1833
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: on WZGC. The Falcons win twenty four to ten on

1834
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: a day where, yes, their defense was the best unit

1835
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: on the field. The Saints' offense only scores three points.

1836
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: They get their only touchdown on a pick six right

1837
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: by Kirk Cousins. Wasn't there a pick six in this game?

1838
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 5: Or am I crazy?

1839
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, Cousins.

1840
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 5: Cousins threw a pick six, and thank you.

1841
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 2: They got the score and they had chances Greg, but

1842
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 2: they elected to to not score him do anything.

1843
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 5: That's true. They elected to kick a field goal late.

1844
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was a fourth down that they went

1845
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: for where Taysom Hill threw the ball instead of kicking

1846
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: a field goal.

1847
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 5: That didn't work.

1848
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: Look, we pick a lot of games throughout the course

1849
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: of the season, and we're going to be wrong so often.

1850
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: But for some reason, I feel like you picking the

1851
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: Saints to win this game, Patrick, drove you more crazy

1852
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: than any pick you made all season.

1853
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 5: Yes, you were chugging hater aide as.

1854
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was piloting a two play sequence where they

1855
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: got eighty one yards off of a second and twenty four.

1856
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 1: That touchdown to Mooney was preceded by like a forty

1857
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 1: yard screen to Beajon Robinson.

1858
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the screen came on second and twenty one because

1859
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 2: Kirk the pressure got to the Saints get pressure on

1860
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, and it looked like typical twenty twenty five

1861
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins where he wasn't sure what to do. The

1862
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 2: pressure came, he threw the ball to absolutely nobody. The

1863
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: Saints lobbying Brian Brecy arms out to the stripes where

1864
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 2: the referees do that thing where they have the long discussion,

1865
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: and then they dropped the flag out thinking the Saints

1866
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 2: got a chance, they got a chance. They get off

1867
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: the field here, they'll go back down and they're going

1868
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 2: to score this time. No, it's a screen to Bajon

1869
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: and then immediately Darnell Mooney and Kirk Cousins like dust off.

1870
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,879
Speaker 2: It looks like prime Darnell Mooney and prime Kirk Cousins,

1871
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: where it's like, what are you doing, Saints? What are

1872
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: the Saints doing it?

1873
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,839
Speaker 1: I love I love Kirk was kind of like gearing

1874
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: back to get everything into that throat, and uh, they

1875
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: get a win, which you know for the season they had.

1876
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Anyone is going to feel good four and seven for

1877
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 1: the Saints. I mean for the Falcons and the Saints fans.

1878
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: After that touchdown, they all just left. If if if

1879
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: you're I was watching that late in the game, and

1880
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: like when they hit that touchdown to go up two touchdowns,

1881
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: there's about ten minutes left, and it's not like you're

1882
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: really trying to beat traffic in New Orleans, like you're

1883
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: walking out of there or just the traffic's not that bad,

1884
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: it's fine. Uh, but people are just like, no, I've

1885
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: had enough of the New Orleans Saints and just a

1886
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: sad performance. Tyler Shuck SHOOKI was the leading rusher on

1887
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: the day where Alvin Kamara left the game pretty early

1888
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: to injury. They had nothing going whatsoever on the ground.

1889
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Taysom went ten carries for seventeen yards.

1890
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, can we end this already?

1891
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure we've graduated from the Taysom Hill experience

1892
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 8: as a ball career.

1893
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 9: I think we've proven that in previous weeks.

1894
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 8: Whenever Tyler shuck, a guy who can improvise is your

1895
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 8: leading rusher, but is not the leading rusher that you

1896
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 8: want to run like the Titans want cam Ward to run.

1897
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 9: You know you're in a bad place.

1898
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 8: But when I look at this team defensively and I think, well,

1899
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 8: how do you give up twenty four points to Kirk

1900
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 8: Cousins and Darnell Mooney in the Atlanta Falcons and Bijon

1901
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 8: Robinson helber player. But here's how Because I look at

1902
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 8: this group of players and all I see is the

1903
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 8: twenty ten, twenty eleven Cleveland Cavaliers, where it's Baron Davis

1904
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 8: and Luke Harron Godi and Sean Livingston getting his last

1905
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 8: shot at the NBA which ends up getting him a

1906
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 8: spot with the Warriors. Like it's a bunch of no names,

1907
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 8: this is a Saints team that is very clearly in

1908
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 8: a transition period right now.

1909
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Shout up with Luke aret Gody.

1910
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: I just think I would ever hear about if you

1911
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 2: had not said his name, I would have never thought

1912
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 2: about Luke Aeron Gody. Ever, again, my issue with the

1913
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,759
Speaker 2: Taysom experience today is it was all the highest leverage

1914
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: plays in the game. Yeah, it was fourth and one

1915
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: in the red zone and a gold to go situation.

1916
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 2: And then yeah, let's get shuck out of here. Let's

1917
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: get Taysom to come in and throw a pass. He's

1918
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: zero for two through the air in this game where

1919
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: it's not sneaking up on anybody at this point. When

1920
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: Taysom Hill comes in, it's not, oh no, what are

1921
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 2: the Saints gonna do. It's the Taysom Hill package in

1922
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: the same Taysom Hill package, now under three different coaching regimes,

1923
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 2: where it's the same Taysom Hill package, and let's let's

1924
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 2: get rid of it. I don't want to see Taysom

1925
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 2: Hill package anymore.

1926
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 5: No, I don't. It's I don't know.

1927
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore has got that special connection. He's got that

1928
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: he's got that loyalty to his brother, and he just

1929
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: he just keeps giving it, giving him the ball man.

1930
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore just not inspiring in his first Saints season.

1931
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Let's take one final break and we'll get to a

1932
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: team that's been pretty inspiring all season. Yes, it's the

1933
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams. We're gonna say goodbye to Patrick Bye.

1934
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: Everybody go say hello to the children.

1935
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 3: I shall Stafford the pistol has to go up and

1936
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 3: over his left shoulder to.

1937
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 5: Catch the snap locks.

1938
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 19: One zoe is a touchdown, Devontae Adams racing underneath another.

1939
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 19: Matthew Stafford's got twenty four yards and you can let

1940
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 19: those MVP chants bring in again. It's one, two, three

1941
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 19: for Matthew Stafford and Debunte's gut too. Oh, it's back

1942
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 19: to a three store lead. Matthew to the bonte.

1943
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 5: They are sizzily, They are sizzly. You know who else is?

1944
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 5: Sisley jav Long on KSPN.

1945
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: I met grunting in the background. Our friend Maurice Jones

1946
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: drew the Rams. Make it a laugher on Sunday night

1947
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: football thirty or to seven, Yes, if it's a day

1948
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: that ends, and why DeVante Adams is scoring a touchdown

1949
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: often two And this thing not only was over at

1950
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: halftime thirty one to seven.

1951
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 5: At halftime, there was not much more to play. We

1952
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 5: just got a field goal in the second half and

1953
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 5: we were killing time.

1954
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,879
Speaker 1: Took because Baker Mayfield was out with a left shoulder injury.

1955
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: More on that in a second, But this was a

1956
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: night I don't think it would have mattered if Baker

1957
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: was healthy or not. In fact, he was healthy until

1958
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: they were down three touchdowns. Man, When the Rams offense

1959
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: is looking good, and they've looked great in the first

1960
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: quarter of these games for over a month now, it

1961
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: just seems like no one can stop them.

1962
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then you add in a pick six of

1963
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 8: fifty yards and it's like, oh, now, you just put

1964
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 8: that on the board as well.

1965
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 9: They do feel.

1966
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 8: Unstoppable at times, especially you know, against opponents that struggle

1967
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 8: to give them resistance. This is not the Seahawks game,

1968
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,680
Speaker 8: but it is. I mean, it's another example of how

1969
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:09,560
Speaker 8: good this offense can be. Like it honestly feels vindicating.

1970
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 8: It feels like justice has been served to DeVante Adams

1971
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 8: for the time that he spent in Vegas with the Raiders,

1972
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 8: because now he is in the perfect He's in football

1973
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 8: Heaven with Matthew Stafford. They're just making beautiful music art

1974
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 8: every weekend and we all get to sit back and

1975
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 8: watch it.

1976
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 9: And sometimes it'sdn't blow out fashion like this.

1977
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1978
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: And maybe the best catch he made all night was

1979
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: actually called back by a penalty, a leaping grab he

1980
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: made in the second half he did have one drop.

1981
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 1: I swear he said more drops with the Rams than

1982
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: any other time in his career. But he keeps getting

1983
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: it done, and the MVP conversation put it on the board.

1984
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Patrick Claibahn, wherever you are tonight, is only going to

1985
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: help with Stafford getting those three touchdowns in the first

1986
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 1: half and that drive. That touchdown that we just heard shook.

1987
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: It just shows you how they can do anything they

1988
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 1: want to do with the Rams because the Bucks are

1989
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: trailing twenty one nothing. You mentioned the pick six that's

1990
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: on a play where kateat and essentially drops the ball

1991
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 1: as he's going to his knees and Kobe Durant steals

1992
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 1: it from him. Look like he might have been down,

1993
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: but by the letter of the law, I guess he

1994
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: got to do a football move and Durant returns it

1995
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: the other way, and so it's it looks like a

1996
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 1: blow out early, but the Bucks finally get a touchdown

1997
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 1: on the drive where Mayfield actually hurt his left shoulder,

1998
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,600
Speaker 1: but they get it to twenty one to seven, and

1999
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: then literally just four plays later, it's like a three

2000
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: yard run and then it's Pooka up the seam for

2001
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 1: like twenty four yards, it's Momfield for fourteen and then

2002
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: a dime to DeVante Adams. So they can be explosive

2003
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: or they can turn the running game. And their success

2004
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: rate was through the roof, and I think that gets

2005
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: lost a little bit that the run for me, for

2006
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: the Rams sets up the pass. Obviously the past is

2007
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: the most important thing, but they are in favorable situation

2008
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 1: so often because of the run.

2009
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

2010
01:33:57,439 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And it all goes back to Kyen Willy and

2011
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 9: the role that he plays in this offense. But it's

2012
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 9: not just that.

2013
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 8: It's the offensive line and how they've been very cohesive

2014
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 8: this year, whether it's protecting Matthew Stafford or opening running lanes,

2015
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 8: it's really allowing Sean mcvady get creative with how they

2016
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 8: want to run the ball. And then beyond Kira Williams

2017
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 8: in Blake Koram and we've enjoyed a little bit of

2018
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 8: a difference in style. Where Korm's more of a north south,

2019
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 8: less vision type of runner. Kyron obviously more dynamic, able

2020
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 8: to you know, find lanes and run through them. And

2021
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 8: I think it just fills out this offense. Like you

2022
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 8: bring in Devonte Adams and you put him next to

2023
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 8: Pooka Nakua. You have a very good one two receiver

2024
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 8: tandem Kyram Williams and Blake korm solid one two running tandem.

2025
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 8: And when it all marries together under Sean mcvay's vision,

2026
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 8: this is what it looks like.

2027
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: Right in the difference this year, more than any year,

2028
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's a difference making defense. So

2029
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: the Rams get six quarterback hits, four sacks, seven tackles

2030
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: for loss, and ten passes defense against Baker Mayfield and

2031
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, who you know was not Jameis Winston coming

2032
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: off the bench in the second half. But Baker Mayfield

2033
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 1: then the first half, goes nine for nineteen for forty

2034
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 1: one yards. He has those two interceptions, one obviously not

2035
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: his fault. But what shouldn't get lost is, you know,

2036
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: on plays, you know, other than that interception, they were

2037
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: still averaging about two and a half yards per pass

2038
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:21,560
Speaker 1: and against the pressure, I believe he was zero for

2039
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: four when they blitzed him, he was like one for

2040
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: five and took a sack. The pass rush was just awesome,

2041
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: whether it was Verse or Kobe Turner. And then Baker

2042
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: hurts it his shoulder and he didn't really show it

2043
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: at first on a run and he follows it up

2044
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: with a couple of nice passes.

2045
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 5: But you see him win.

2046
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: See after they get a touchdown, and you remember, I

2047
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: believe I guess I'll put you on the spot.

2048
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 5: You remember how Baker's career ended in Cleveland, right.

2049
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 9: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it was. It was the twenty

2050
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 9: twenty one season.

2051
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 8: It was after he letend of the playoffs and their

2052
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 8: first playoff win since they'd returned in ninety nine. And

2053
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 8: he was playing through multiple injuries that year, and the

2054
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 8: first one was the left shoulder, which ended being a

2055
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 8: torn laboram that didn't require surgery, but as somebody who's

2056
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 8: torn both of his laborums and had surgery on one

2057
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 8: of them, that surgery is not super successful anyway, and

2058
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 8: it's not an injury that you can just like rehab away.

2059
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 8: And he gets annoying and he gets painful and bothersome

2060
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 8: even when you're not actively using it as you're throwing shoulder. Now,

2061
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 8: we don't know what happened to him this time, but

2062
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 8: he's got a history of having injuries with that shoulder,

2063
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 8: and that's what contributed to his downfall with the Browns.

2064
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 5: It was that it was a knee.

2065
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 8: He struggled that year while playing through those injuries, and

2066
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 8: it bumps me out for him because this team is

2067
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 8: so banged up already. They're missing multiple receivers. Their offensive

2068
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 8: line has been a shuffling act all year. They haven't

2069
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 8: had Bucky Irving for a considerable stretch of time. Now,

2070
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 8: and then your quarterback, the guy who has been basically

2071
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 8: carrying you in most weeks and propelling your offense forward

2072
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 8: through scenarios in which most quarterbacks wouldn't get you to

2073
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 8: the other side. Now he's banged up. And you saw

2074
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:51,679
Speaker 8: what happened tonight. You take him out of the equation

2075
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 8: when he's already banged up and they're just a non

2076
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 8: competitive offense.

2077
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look they were without Jabell Dean, their best

2078
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,839
Speaker 1: cornerback tonight. Bucky Irvy and who you mentioned, Hassan Reddick

2079
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: was out, and you know, the Rams start a new

2080
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: right tackle, Warren McLendon. They put Rob Havenstein on injured reserve.

2081
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: You didn't notice any difference. That's one area where like

2082
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick could possibly help. You're missing your two starting

2083
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: guards from week one. I kind of forgot during the

2084
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: week when I said they're only missing one guard, I

2085
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: forget Cody Mock's already out for the season. So yeah,

2086
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: just a lot of issues and they're falling to six

2087
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: and five, and we're right back to where we tend

2088
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 1: to be, which is the NFC South winner is probably

2089
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 1: going to be the four seed. And yes, the Bucks

2090
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 1: schedule gets much easier the rest of the way, but

2091
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: they're out of point, especially if Baker's not one hundred percent,

2092
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 1: where no win is going to be assured. Meanwhile, the

2093
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: Rams are the one seed and in a week where

2094
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: they put Hanstein, Quinton Lake, and Tyler Higbee on injured reserve, look,

2095
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: they look so deep there.

2096
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 5: Tight ends were so important in this game.

2097
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: You know, you get Kolbe Parkinson for a touchdown, Davis

2098
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Allen gets Loose for three catches, and this is just

2099
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: a really complete team. And to me, for the Rams,

2100
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: it's all gonna be about weeks fifteen and sixteen. In

2101
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 1: a five day period, they will play the Lions and

2102
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: then they'll play the Seahawks on a Thursday night, and

2103
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna to me really decide whether they are the

2104
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: one seed or who knows Seattle might be able to

2105
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: run this table too, and it could all come down

2106
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: to that Week sixteen game that's in the future. This

2107
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 1: team is maybe the best Sean McVay team we have

2108
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: seen yet, to the point where him and Stafford are

2109
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 1: getting into it and mcvay's getting mad at like thirty

2110
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: one to seven. Did you see that, where like Stafford

2111
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,799
Speaker 1: missed a couple throws and they're like yelling at each.

2112
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 8: Other, at which point that Matt Matthew Stafford probably shouldn't

2113
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 8: even be in the game, Like, just take them out,

2114
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 8: because the biggest key for me is once they get

2115
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,680
Speaker 8: to that week fifteen sixteen point, how healthy can you

2116
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 8: be when you get there? That's what's most important, all right,

2117
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 8: So they're nine and two before we leave for the day.

2118
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 8: We did have some breaking news as we were watching

2119
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 8: this game. Chip Kelly is out as the Las Vegas

2120
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 8: Raiders offensive coordinator. So Patrick Claybon has been just killing

2121
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 8: Chip Kelly week after week all season long.

2122
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 5: I feel like he was first.

2123
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: Maybe Pete Carroll was first, but Patrick Claybon was second,

2124
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: and it felt weird that he is not on the

2125
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: show for this.

2126
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 5: So we're gonna do an NFL Daily first. Jock We're

2127
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 5: gonna call Claybon.

2128
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: Right now, just on my phone. I mean, he's not

2129
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna pop up. I never call him on the phone,

2130
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,759
Speaker 1: so he might not answer. We'll see if this works.

2131
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll even edit it out. I got to put

2132
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 1: this thing on speaker and we'll see how this goes.

2133
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 9: Is this the first time you've called somebody while you're

2134
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 9: not driving?

2135
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 5: Patrick? This is Greg.

2136
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 1: You are on NFL Daily right now? Are you free

2137
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,799
Speaker 1: to talk? You are on NFL Daily? Are you aware

2138
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: that the Raiders have been watching the show and that

2139
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: they have fired Chip Kelly?

2140
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 5: Tonight?

2141
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 21: You know what, Greg, I appreciate not just Tom Brady's

2142
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 21: commitment to being an NFL list an NFL Daily note listener,

2143
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 21: but Pete Carroll clearly the It had nothing to do

2144
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 21: with the output, the ability UH to all to be watchable,

2145
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:17,799
Speaker 21: to be fun. This was purely reaction to our continued

2146
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 21: conversation regarding Chip Kelly, which comes to a sad and

2147
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 21: empty ending.

2148
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Tonight, You're you are such a pro I mean, you

2149
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: had that answer ready. I'm fumbling around trying to put

2150
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: it on speaker. You have this thing answered before I

2151
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: even get there. What did you think I was possibly

2152
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 1: calling you about right now.

2153
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 7: Well, when you started a conversation with I am on

2154
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 7: NFL Daily right now, my brain went to any number

2155
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 7: of places where it's like.

2156
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 3: Recording. We finished recording the show.

2157
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 7: I'm watching Van Perino with my kids because you know,

2158
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 7: another circumstance, it was concluded while we left the podcast studio,

2159
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 7: and so yeah, this is this is big news, very

2160
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 7: important news.

2161
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 3: It's Markee news. Right now.

2162
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 7: In November of twenty twenty five, Key is doing something

2163
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 7: else for the remainder of the season, which congratulations to him,

2164
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 7: because his previous thing was.

2165
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 3: Not going well.

2166
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, it might not be the worst thing for him.

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Speaker 1: He's the highest paid offensive coordinator in the league. That

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Speaker 1: money is guaranteed, it goes on into future years. And

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Speaker 1: I now feel bad for interrupting your family time. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Patrick for chipping in as always, no thank you.

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Speaker 7: Greg, and thanks to Chip Kelly for truly providing us

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Speaker 7: with something unique in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It was great.

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Speaker 5: Thanks see you man.

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Speaker 8: Unique in the form of ten Zacks giving up to

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Speaker 8: the Browns today the first time in my memory that

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Speaker 8: I can see the Browns fire and getting someone fired

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Speaker 8: on the same day the.

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Speaker 1: Raiders just keep cycling through head coaches so quickly, and

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Speaker 1: you got to think Pete Carroll, you know, is maybe

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Speaker 1: on the way out too. He had not fired a coordinator,

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Speaker 1: took in fourteen seasons during the season when he was

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Speaker 1: with Seattle.

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Speaker 8: Now that he's fired two, he's fired too. To Patrick Graham,

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Speaker 8: keep an eye over your shoulder.

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Speaker 5: Patrick Graham's doing the best that he can.

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Speaker 1: All right, fun Sunday, I think we really crystallize what's

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Speaker 1: going on here in both conferences. It's really coming down

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Speaker 1: in both conferences. If you look at it to ten

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Speaker 1: teams for seven spots, and it's fascinating that the three

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Speaker 1: teams out right now in the AFC are Pittsburgh, Houston,

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Speaker 1: and Kansas City all at six and five, while you

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Speaker 1: know the Chargers, Jags, and Bills have the last three

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Speaker 1: spots at seven and four. We talked about the AFC

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Speaker 1: North before and then I think the same is basically

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Speaker 1: the case in the NFC. Ten teams for seven spots.

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Speaker 1: I'm including the Cowboys in that mix at five to

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Speaker 1: five and one, and we kind of have the Panthers

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Speaker 1: and the Bucks playing the roles of raven Steelers in

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Speaker 1: the NFC where just one team is getting that spot

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Speaker 1: and it's probably gotta be the four seed.

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Speaker 8: It's all shaping up, shooky, it's all gonna change. It's

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Speaker 8: gonna change. I'm telling you, we're gonna get a lot

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Speaker 8: of movement in these.

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Speaker 9: Next six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, looking forward to it. Let's get out of here

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Speaker 1: because we got another show to do soon enough. Monday

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Speaker 1: Night Football, as we do each and every week, my

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Speaker 1: parents are arriving on a plane during Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: was like, can we go live after Panthers forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers when the parents are a right, some things.

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Speaker 5: Are more important than family.

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Speaker 1: Panthers forty nine ers live on YouTube me and shook

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Speaker 1: see you then,