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Speaker 1: Here's some stories about show we made about a bunch

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Speaker 1: Zach Braff, the co host of Fake Doctors, Real Friends. UM.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to report that we don't have a show

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Speaker 1: for you this week, UM an original show, that is.

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Speaker 1: We had planned to have the co directors of C

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Speaker 1: Spiracy on UM, but then we realized it was Mother's Day.

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Speaker 1: We record the show Sunday afternoons because Donald and I

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Speaker 1: are both working and UM, and Donald, being the good

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Speaker 1: time with the family and honor his queen, the Casey Cobb,

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Speaker 1: and watch the kids so Casey could have some mom

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Speaker 1: time and all that. So recording UH an episode became

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Speaker 1: a little difficult. UM. So Joel has curated an amazing

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Speaker 1: best of sort of thing for this week and we

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Speaker 1: will be back next Tuesday with original episode with the

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Speaker 1: co directors of the documentary C Spiracy, which you should

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Speaker 1: check out UM so you can be current with the conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating documentary and UM it's become quite controversial

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Speaker 1: and I'm anxious and excited to UH to talk to

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Speaker 1: the filmmakers about it because it really had an impact

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Speaker 1: on me, and UM, I just want to say thank you.

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Speaker 1: Since I have a moment with Donald not here, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can say, UM anything I want. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. Thank you, Donald Casey. What are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on me? En? I'm allowed to use the soundboard without

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Speaker 1: own present, but we're going to find out, okay because

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Speaker 1: he's probably Daniel. What are your thoughts? UM? From the

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Speaker 1: bottom of my heart, I want to thank all of

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Speaker 1: you for for your response to this podcast. We never

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Speaker 1: could have imagined a thousand years, UM, that people would

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Speaker 1: like it so much, and I could never have found

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Speaker 1: them how fun it would be. UM. I genuinely look

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Speaker 1: forward to it every every Sunday and made such wonderful

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Speaker 1: new friends, particularly obviously Daniel and Joel, to people that

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Speaker 1: weren't in my life, and two people Donald and I

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Speaker 1: have both grown quite fond of and extraordinary human beings,

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Speaker 1: And just looking back and UM and sharing these stories

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Speaker 1: with all of you and memories has been so special.

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Speaker 1: I know I've said it before. We never thought that

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Speaker 1: so many people would be interested, So the fact that

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Speaker 1: this has become quite a phenomenon across earth, UM is

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Speaker 1: mind blowing to us. But but but please know from

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Speaker 1: the bottom of our hearts that we really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: and appreciate um how special the show was to you

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Speaker 1: and how much it meant to you. And also how

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Speaker 1: many of you have been emailing us or or I

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Speaker 1: we get a lot of joy bringing it to you.

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Speaker 1: To all the mothers out there. I know this is

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Speaker 1: belated because it's Tuesday, but I'm recording this on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day. I know it is very hard to

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Speaker 1: be a mom, and UM, I was blessed with a

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Speaker 1: certainly did. And I feel so blessed and I know

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Speaker 1: how hard it is for you moms out there. UM,

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Speaker 1: so here's me hipping my hat to you and UM,

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Speaker 1: And lastly, thank you to all of you who checked

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Speaker 1: out Percy Verse Calias Um, the movie I made with

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Speaker 1: Christopher Walking and Christina Richie. I again, we made that

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Speaker 1: for a movie that um has no ads, no billboards,

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Speaker 1: those little trivia. The director is the director who directed

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Speaker 1: Mr Clark Johnson is. UM. All right, I'm rambling. If

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Speaker 1: Zach Hi everybody. Um, First, I want to apologize if

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Speaker 1: Like when you worked with like Boas or or did

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Speaker 1: that you really just you must have had it so dialed.

426
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: Like now, now that might be harder for you because

427
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: you're not memorizing monologues every week I was doing when

428
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: I was doing Bullets over Broadway, we were in previews.

429
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: And um, when you're in previews that for those of

430
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: you who aren't don't know that that means that the

431
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: critics haven't come yet. You're still working out the play.

432
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: You're still the writer and the rector. They're changing things

433
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: all the time. And then after opening night. Then then

434
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: the show is locked, so we're in previews and Woody Allen,

435
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: who wrote the players in the back of the audience

436
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: and he's there and he's when a joke doesn't work,

437
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: he would he would give it come the next day

438
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: and give us a new joke to try that night.

439
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: But sometimes that was really hard because you had the

440
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: whole play memorized, and he would just hand you a

441
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: sup of paper and he'd be like, here, just just

442
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: try this tonight, and you're like, try it. Where where?

443
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: And you're like reading the paper and like scribbled handlend

444
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: like try this where where does it go? Like? And

445
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: then he and you figure it out. And then sometimes

446
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: in the heat of the adrenaline of doing a show

447
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: in front of people, you'd forget. And I there was

448
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: one time I skipped the new joke you wanted me

449
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: to do. And I saw him the next day and

450
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: I said, Woody, I'm really sorry. I got a little

451
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: frazzled and I didn't even try the new joke you

452
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: wanted me to try, and he goes, yeah, you probably

453
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: get a bigger laugh if you actually say it on Johnny,

454
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: will you tell that story? Um that I love that

455
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: you told me once about Platoon where you said, um,

456
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: you were all hanging by the pool when you realize

457
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: that you weren't gonna be in the movie. So because

458
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: the conditions in the Philippines were so tense and so fluid. Uh.

459
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: And we were in something called a triple and they

460
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: were fluid because they're just been a revolution. A guy

461
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: named Ferdinand Marcos had lost an election to a woman

462
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: named Coria Kino, and Marcos wouldn't leave until President Reagan,

463
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: the president at the time, gave him the goal asylum

464
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. So we that's why we were postponed. I left.

465
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: I was doing Hamlet with Kevin Klein at the public

466
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: and about a weekend of rehearsal, Oliver calls after the

467
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: I've been cast in the film a year and a

468
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: half earlier, and then the money went away and he

469
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: called me. He goes, McKinley, do you want to play

470
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: the fourth lead? I'm like, who the funk is this?

471
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: It's Oliver Stone. Are you want to go to Philippines?

472
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I would love to go to the Philippines,

473
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: but I'm doing I'm playing third guy on the left

474
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: and in Hamlet with Kevin Klein over at the Public

475
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: and he goes tell tell Joe Path that that that

476
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: it's me. I'm like, oh, sure, I'm gonna go talk

477
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: to Mr Pap and call him. You know. It's like

478
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Fun. And so Rosemary Tishler, who was

479
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: the casting person over at the Public at the time

480
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine from n y U. She

481
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: came in and taught an audition class to us, and

482
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: she wanted great great women ever, And I called Rosemary.

483
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: I went to see her, and I said, uh, I

484
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: got off for this movie. It's in the Philippines, and

485
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: it would me mean would mean me leaving rehearsal bit

486
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: And just like anybody in New York would be like

487
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: crossing Johnny Friendly and on the waterfront. If she said,

488
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: if you go to this film, you'll never work here again,

489
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: I would not have gone and done the film. Neither

490
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: would at any anybody in New York, because once you

491
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: get in that fraternity slashed Arong Shakespeare Festival that you stay,

492
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: you keep doing plays. And Rosemary said, well, uh, you're

493
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: fine with me, but you can't have to go see Joe.

494
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, everybody stopped calling him Joe, and so

495
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: I go in and he was you know, he had

496
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: a boat and he was this guy. It was the

497
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: way to back this bucket smuth. And so you know,

498
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm knocking like I'm going to see the Wizard and

499
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz and he goes, come in, back,

500
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: come in, and so I go to see Mr Pap

501
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: and I told him my story. He goes, go, We'll

502
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: do happen it again when you get back. I was

503
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: just like crying, even thinking I'm so happy they didn't

504
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: prevent you from going. I would have been hard alone.

505
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: And so I go back. I was living in the

506
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: funeral parlor at the time, one the neutral only funeral parlor,

507
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: and so I go up five stories and I'm there.

508
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: And a week or so after I removed myself from Hamlet,

509
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: there's a revolution in the Philippines because this guy Marcos

510
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: won't leave. And so we get postponed for months and

511
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: months and months, and the play opens, and you know,

512
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Vincent can be called at the most important hamlet on

513
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: these shores. I'm sitting in the funeral polo going like,

514
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, I hate my life. I hate my life.

515
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: And finally we we get the green light to go

516
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: because the revolution had subsided a little bit, but not

517
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: that much. And so uh And in the meantime this

518
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: language had come out. A bunch of actors in New

519
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: York on five or six of them circulated this language

520
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: because we're going to go through this two and a

521
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: half three week boot camp that if you got hurt

522
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: in boot camp, um, you you get to do the film.

523
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: And Ill was like, no, if you get hurt, book him,

524
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: you you get rotated out. You can't be a soldier

525
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: over the boat and arm And so I didn't sign it.

526
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: And the five people who did, uh, I didn't go

527
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: to the Philippines. And so I finally get there and

528
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: only to come to find out that it's a very

529
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: tricky place. We're shooting in this triple canopy jungle, which

530
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: meant there was vegetation at ten ft, another vegetation of

531
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: and these monstrous trees at fifty ft. So it's very

532
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: dark and and swampy underneath these these three canopies of flora,

533
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: and we're shooting. And there was no shot list because

534
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: Oliver had to change things every day and on the fly,

535
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: which he did brilliantly. But the whole there was three

536
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: squads of eight, so there was twenty four of us,

537
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: and every day everybody was called to the set and

538
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you just sat there all day because you're not

539
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: the scene. You you're not the scene, and so it

540
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: was about two hour bus ride out to the place

541
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: and then you'd sit and you weren't the scene. There's

542
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: two hours back. And so this happened for a couple

543
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: of weeks. And so Forest Whitaker and Johnny Depp and

544
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: I uh asked Albert that if we weren't in it's

545
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: going to be shooting that day, could we stay at

546
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: the hotel? And he acquiesced, and so we're finally sitting

547
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: by the pool and we got what we wanted and Forest,

548
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't do a good Forest invitation, but Forest comes

549
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: over to Johnny and he goes. You would get the

550
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: feeling that while we're here, we're not in the movie.

551
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: We all started coming back to the set every day

552
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and Oliver would put us. Oliver would put us on

553
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: this mountain about a mile out of the frame, and

554
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: we and you weren't even a spec and you'd be

555
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: back there and we started calling it power background. And

556
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: so guys were doing their best brand though a mile

557
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: up amount and we called the power Background. I just

558
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: love it. I just I just loove that. You guys

559
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: were like, all right this, We're not gonna sit in

560
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: the jungle. We're gonna go sit by the pool. And

561
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: then and then it's like you you, Forest Whitaker and

562
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp sitting there on your lounge, on your lounge,

563
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: shares with with with a cocktail. And then all of

564
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, someone has the realization, you know, he's probably

565
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: just improbably improvising this movie and we're sitting here at

566
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: the pool, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and first first and

567
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: I wish I could do a first invitation, but he

568
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: was like, if we're here when in the movie and

569
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: got that. Johnny c is a legend. Speaking of legends,

570
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: for very obvious reasons, Heather Graham was one of our

571
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: most listened to guests and it was such an honor

572
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: to have her on the podcast. Yes she's going, yes

573
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: she's funny, but she's also very kind and one of

574
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: my favorite insights she left us swift was the joy,

575
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: despair and encourage you meant that can happen when one

576
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: is auditioning. Auditioning is one of the most difficult aspects

577
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: of an actor's career. You get one chance to get

578
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: it right, one chance to potentially change your life. And

579
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: hearing the guys talk about how they used to daydream

580
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: about what they do with their new casting money, and

581
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, also the downfalls of walking out of a

582
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: room when the actor killed it. It's a lot of fun. So,

583
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: without further ado, here's Heather Graham telling us some of

584
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: her favorite audition stories. That's the thing, it's the hardest

585
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: thing to be in a moment for these auditions. Like

586
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: you get the audition and you're like, I'm so excited

587
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: to audition for this. You look at the side and

588
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, your head, your mind wanders

589
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: off into all the things that you're gonna do after

590
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: you get the part. You know what I mean, After

591
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: I get this part, I'm gonna go on vacation. I'm

592
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm gonna do with this money. I'm gonna

593
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get me, I'm gonna get my girl, gonna

594
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: get I'm gonna get a role. And you think about

595
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: all the things you're gonna do with this money and

596
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: all of the fame that's gonna come with this part

597
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: before you even get it, and then you go on

598
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: to audition. It never helps because you go on to

599
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: the audition and when you walk out, you're like, well,

600
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta wait for the next audition to

601
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: get that, you know what I mean, Like it's the worst, man,

602
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I like I always do that. The one the auditions

603
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: that I do great on are the ones where I'm like,

604
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk, man, I'm just gonna go

605
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: in there. I'm gonna do whatever the fun it is

606
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I do, and I'm gonna leave and I'm not gonna talk.

607
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try, and I'm not gonna try and

608
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: wow anybody with the freaking what I've been doing in

609
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: my off time. Funk that ship. I'm gonna go in there,

610
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking do the audition, and I'm gonna leave.

611
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: And those are the ones where usually do for things occasionally.

612
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was, you know, I feel like,

613
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, when we were auditioning for things like, I

614
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: just feel like people don't audition in person anymore, and

615
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: now I feel like everyone has to send a tape

616
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: if you ever do like you do, you guys, ever

617
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: audition in person anymore. Well, no, but not during COVID,

618
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: but before COVID occasionally, Heather Win like it was like

619
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: a super fancy director by the way. By the way,

620
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: the director wouldn't necessarily be there. It was like some

621
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: mega A list director, but they're interested. They want you

622
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: to go in, and if it was someone dying to

623
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: work with, I would do it. Um. But yeah, you're right.

624
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I actually think I actually think it's better, though, Heather,

625
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: because you have more self tape. Well, don't get me wrong.

626
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: It's great to go in the room and meet the

627
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: director and shoot the ship and and see if you

628
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: have a connection. Um, But I do think a self

629
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: tape you can at least shape and practice and only

630
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: send the best one. But I think most some people

631
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: might be surprised that, you know, no matter even when

632
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: you've had success in this business, you still have to

633
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: go out in campaign to get parts. Auditioning is terrifying,

634
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: it really is. It's the hardest thing on the planet

635
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: when it comes. That's the hardest thing in acting. Forget

636
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: the parts, forget during the role, forget all that the

637
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: other stuff, Forget everything that comes after you get the

638
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: part or before you get the part. The audition is

639
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: that's the toughest thing to do. You it's harding the

640
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: actual role one shot to nail it, get one shot,

641
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: and if you're lucky, the director says, I like that,

642
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: let's try it again this way. And usually when that happens,

643
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean you got the role. That just

644
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: means your preparation wasn't what the director saw, you know

645
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so it's like it's the it's

646
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: the hardest thing ever, and so to get roles and

647
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always so appreciative that an audition was

648
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: all it was what it took for me to you know,

649
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: you liked what I did in the room, You're gonna

650
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: love what I do when I when when the cameras rolling,

651
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: then it does feel like there's no other way to

652
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: really do it. But but but it does feel like

653
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: not a great test for how well you're gonna be

654
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: on set because you're coming in with all this adrenaline,

655
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: you're coming in with nerves, You're doing it in front

656
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: of however many random people, and so it's not it's

657
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a bit like an obstacle course, you know

658
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you have to do it now

659
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: under pressure. Go But it is such a high when

660
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: when you know you killed it and they know you

661
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: killed it, and there's like, yeah, it is amazing. It's

662
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: crazy in the waiting room too though, when you see

663
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: other the other people that are auditioning, you know what

664
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: if you know them or yeah, it's play mind games too.

665
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: I remember back in the day, like all these people

666
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: would be like I really was aware of the psychology

667
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: of the waiting room. How people would try and distract you.

668
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: How people would, you know, start conversation with you, like

669
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: they knew you were going next, so they would like

670
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: try and keep take your mind off of learning, you know,

671
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: working on the lines. And no. I just remember this

672
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: one kid where I was up for this part. He

673
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: came out of the room and he was swiping away

674
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: his tears and he's like break a leg, guys, and

675
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: we all looked at each other like flipping through the sides,

676
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: like where's the fucking crying scene. And this dude, I

677
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: I got to know him, and he could just cry

678
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: on que and so he would just put it into

679
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: any audition to show off that he could like cry

680
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: even if the scene called for it, because he thought

681
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: it was like going to blow their minds. And I

682
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: remember I asked him once ago, so you're just crying

683
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: and like every audition he's like yeah, I tried to

684
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: just to like show him what I can do, and

685
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, um, okay, well what do you

686
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: why do you do that? He goes, I just think

687
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: anyone doing anything bad animals. Oh, I was like, you

688
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: know what, Okay, Waiting in the waiting room when you

689
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: hear someone else killing is also sucks. Right when you're

690
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: waiting and you can hear that person who's in there

691
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: is like just killing and everyone loves them, that's also horrible.

692
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: But don't you also remember those times when you're in

693
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: there and you hear someone go and they're like and

694
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: they suck, and you're like, yeah. Next, we have Sarah Chuck. Now,

695
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: Sarah Chuck is an icon, a legend. You know her,

696
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: you love her, perhaps, if not from Scrubs, you know

697
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: her incredible performance as the mom on Rick and Morty Listen.

698
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: Getting to meet her has clearly been the highlight of

699
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: being on this show, because it's rare that the people

700
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: you idolize are as kind and sweet and generous with

701
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: her time as MS Sarah Chalk is so we still

702
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: appreciate her. And when she came on in season three,

703
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: I think this is her third visit to the podcast,

704
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: so it's all to happy. Now she'd figured out the technology.

705
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: She'd finally gotten us sound proof booth, so her audio

706
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: crisp and clear and we love her. And she shared

707
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories has ever been shared on

708
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: the podcast about a group of people who love you

709
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: coming together to make sure you get a dog. Okay,

710
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: vital And if you know anything about me, you know

711
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: I similarly experienced the same thing. Zach wanted me to

712
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: have puppy and now I have lions. What a gift.

713
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: So here's Sarah Chalk talking about how she got her dog, Cowboys,

714
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: Switches and her love of this cast. Enjoy. This is

715
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: the episode that Frick started. Yeah, tote everybody the very

716
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: first Frick. What's the genesis of Frick? I wish I remembered.

717
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't know, I don't remember. I

718
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: don't know. If it was me, your bill and then

719
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: it then it developed I went to double frick and

720
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: then Frick on a stick with a brick, it was Frick,

721
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: double frick, freak on a stick on with a brick.

722
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: It became one of Sarah's catchphrases. She finally got her

723
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? Will got it? In season three,

724
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Season three, she got her frick. I didn't get a

725
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: box there, but I got a frick. Yeah, but I did.

726
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: I did get that pink Cashmere juicy jogger set that

727
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: I wore in that frick scene. I remember they let

728
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: me take that home. Do you remember Juicy? Do you

729
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: remember Juicy Juicy Kashmere. Yeah, man, Juicy with the gym

730
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: everybody had and it was sweatsuits. It was a bunch

731
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: of sweatsuits and everybody was paying three dollars for a sweatsuit. Yeah, Juicy,

732
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: they figured it out, Juicy. Um. So you know, frick

733
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: comes from you can't You know? On TV shows and

734
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: network you're always trying to work around places where you'd

735
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: actually curse. Some shows like Do It and Beep It,

736
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: which which I guess it's easier if you're more documentary style,

737
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: like like The Office or or Modern Family or something. Um.

738
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: Some shows, uh the Good Place very creatively, UM made

739
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: it fork because they were in like this supposedly in

740
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: this like heaven type setting where where it just automatically

741
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: changes all your curses to better words. But so so

742
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: frick allowed Sarah to say fun without saying fuck. There's

743
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: one more there's one more place that they changed the

744
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: word and so you wouldn't say fucking. That was Battlestar

745
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: Galactica and they said frak and that became are you

746
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: fracking kidding me? Are you franking kidding me? Right now?

747
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: But that they never explained it, or they just just

748
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: did it. They just did it for the whole the

749
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: whole run of the show. It would be like, what

750
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: the frac are you talking about? Frak? I'm gonna frack

751
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: you up. You can say freaking um, which I always

752
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: thought was which was a comfortable alternative. Yeah, but some

753
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: people don't like freaking. It doesn't have the power that

754
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: buck has or freak or frick. You need the K,

755
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: you need the k frick. You know that to make

756
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: a movie PG thirteen, Uh, you're allowed one fuck in

757
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: a PG thirteen movie, and it can't be as sexual funk.

758
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: You can't be like, oh, I want to fuck her,

759
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: but you can be like what the fuck? Oh I

760
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: didn't trivia for you? So you have to pick your fuck.

761
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: If you're if you're directing a PG third teen movie,

762
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, pick your funck what do you want?

763
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: And then next rating you can do what you want. Yeah, okay,

764
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: so there's some sorry, go ahead ahead, I'm trying to

765
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: think of the other oh PG thirteen rules they probably changed.

766
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: They used to be like um obviously sex um, but

767
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: there were some other other ones. I forgot drug used

768
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Alright, go ahead, Donald uh Kelso's

769
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: nose squeaks the entire episode before we get to Kelso's nose.

770
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: What about Sarah losing her car door? I mean that

771
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: was further and then carrying it around the hospital with

772
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: doesn't get stolen. Now, this is something that this is

773
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: something that goes on. This joke continues through other episodes

774
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: because you you later on have like a taxicab door

775
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: like a yellow in your car and everything like that.

776
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: So this is a joke that continues with your brand

777
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: new card. Am I right? Or am I wrong? Yeah?

778
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: That's right. I forgot about that. That's right. Yeah she did.

779
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: She didn't get the matching color door. She just got

780
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: it was the same door her car, but it was yellow. Um. Yeah,

781
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: so that I thought that was very funny. Um, and

782
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: then yeah, so sorry do I'll go to go to

783
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Kelso's squeaky nose, which is very funny for the whole episode.

784
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: Kelso has a squeaking nose because of the punch he

785
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: received from Dr Cox and that ship is left. You know,

786
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: every time Ken would inhale, it would squeak. It's only

787
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: on the inhale. Though it's not on the exhale. It's

788
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: only on the inhale. I don't know how people hate

789
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: him so much that even though the room was packed,

790
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: He's like, miraculously no one was. Sorry Sammy, Sammy in

791
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: the background going like now my dive under the gurney.

792
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: I replayed it a few times because I thought it

793
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: was a cowboy switch scene. I couldn't figure out if

794
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: it was or not. I was that a cowboy switch?

795
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it was. I feel like you came

796
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: running up in the hallway and from the back, then

797
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: it was cowboy switch, and then you popped up. I know,

798
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: but it was so seamless that so, for those of

799
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: you who don't remember a cowboy switches when the actor

800
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: who's not a stunt man is hiding and the stuntman

801
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: does something insane and then kind of goes off camera

802
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: and then the real actor plops up. So j D

803
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 1: does this insane sort of slide under a girl any

804
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: and then I pop up. I'm pretty I'm like, I'm

805
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's a cowboy switch, but man, it is seamless.

806
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: You cannot tell. It's so like the timing of me

807
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: coming up was so it's over. And I mean, you

808
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: did always for the most part, try your own falls always,

809
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: so it's very possible. I did. I did. I did

810
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But when when when when you know?

811
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: The thing about a stunt man is there is when

812
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: there's a real chance, like, okay, you could get hurt

813
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: doing this one, like like when I exit the room,

814
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: that's it takes a really hard fall on the gurney

815
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: tipping over. So you don't want your actors breaking anything

816
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: because then you can't fucking make the show. So a

817
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of these actors, also, stunt people often don't get

818
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: paid well. They get like one rate to show up,

819
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: but then often they won't get more money unless they

820
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: do the thing. So sometimes I feel for stunt people

821
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: who are like, oh, come on you, I don't want

822
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: to show off and do it yourself, but let me

823
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: do the stunt and uh and so I often tried

824
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: to do them, but but but some of them where

825
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I could like break up hand, they were like, no,

826
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: you're not doing that. I would still, even not doing

827
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: my own stunts. Come once a season two scrubs on

828
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: crutches with having torn the ligaments in my left ankle.

829
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: I think it was about once a year, and I'd

830
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: be like, Randall, I'm so sorry. They would like they

831
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: would have me like standing behind the beside the bed

832
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: and standing in a lot of scenes and not walking.

833
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: How many how many times did you get injured making

834
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: this show? I feel like it was it was always

835
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: my ankle, and it was never doing anything fabulous. I

836
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: would come to send people like how do you do

837
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I was walking Lolan, and I

838
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: tripped on a pine ground on the sidewalk, and then

839
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: it was yeah, it was. It was basically the first

840
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: time I did it. I was in college and my

841
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: leg was crossed and my foot fell asleep and I

842
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: was in like a five personal lecture hall and I

843
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: got up to ask the professor question and I went

844
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: down on like I went over my ankle. I ruled

845
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: my ankle and it swoll up to the size of

846
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: a grapefruit and they X rayed and I was nineteen

847
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: years old and I had a growth plate that hadn't

848
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: closed because I had finished growing. But they thought it

849
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: was a hairline fractures. So like by mistake, put into

850
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: a plaster cast up to my knee and I went

851
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: to go film an episode of The Rosanne Show and

852
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: she was like. Roseanne was like, it doesn't make sense.

853
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: You would have that get that taken off, and so

854
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: I did, even though like that's like a kid who

855
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: has like, you know, a potentially what's wrong take that cast.

856
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: So they asked me to the cast off, so I did,

857
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: and the doctor down there was like, here, it's actually

858
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: a blessing in disguise because this is like a growth

859
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: place that hasn't closed. It's not a caroline for actually,

860
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: if it's not broken, you just sprained it really badly

861
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: and that's why it swole up so much. Coldness actually

862
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: helped you. It was It was such a it was

863
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: a gift. Man, it's all for you. Sarah. Tell everyone

864
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: who's listening about your seven thousand dollar dog. And before

865
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: you judge everyone, No, she didn't go buy some boutique,

866
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: fancy expensive that was. That was a big evening for

867
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: us to what what was the evening? What were we doing?

868
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: Where were It was a charity, Sarah? Do you remember

869
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: what the cause was? It was the Help Group, It

870
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: was for autism with children with autism, and it was Um,

871
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker who was the boss at NBC. Will you

872
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: remember that Donald infamously gave the noogie two that our

873
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: first part please Donald's nod. Uh. So we were there

874
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: and we were excited. I think it was like season two, um,

875
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: and season one or season two, and when we went

876
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: and Jeff Sucker was our boss, and the night was

877
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: to honor him and his contribution to the Help Group

878
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 1: as well. And so there was this little chocolate lab

879
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: that they were having as part of the auction to

880
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: raise money and just pause there, let me pause there.

881
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: Did they have one dog or several? It was just

882
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: one alright? So I recall it was an auction obviously

883
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: to raise money for for for autism, and they geniusly

884
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: brought in this puppy that was the cutest chocolate lab

885
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: puppy you've ever seen. It was like tiny, you can

886
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: fit in your palm in your hands, and it was

887
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: probably I don't know, I'm guessing ten weeks old. And

888
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: the idea was, you know, we're gonna get they wanted

889
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: every and then you got everyone like buzzed on alcohol.

890
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: And then the idea is like, all right, who's you

891
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: guys are gonna bid on who gets to take home

892
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: this dog? And they brought they brought her around like

893
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: you're saying to like to get everybody super excited, brought

894
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: her around. I was holding her, this little chocolate brown nugget.

895
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: She was, yeah, she was like tiny, she's ten weeks old.

896
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: And I was wearing a chocolate brown dress. I remember

897
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: it was my was my bridesmaid's dress from my sister's wedding,

898
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: and and uh so I'm falling in love with this dog.

899
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: And then the bidding starts in the room and I'm

900
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: bidding on her, and the whole I fall over the

901
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: souls rest from everyone's going crazy. Everyone's bidding on it,

902
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: and so finally I just gave up because it was insane.

903
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: It got too high. And then the whole cast around

904
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: the table, you guys all whispered to each other. And

905
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: then when the bidding came to right before the ending,

906
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: you all like stood up and put your arms up

907
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: and and got her for me, and and um, we

908
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: all split the thousand dollars? How long? How long did

909
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: it take for me to pay you the thousand dollars?

910
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: I did pay her? Okay, how long I don't remember.

911
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember. But it just was the most sweetest, thoughtful,

912
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: touching thing ever. And she see like became her scrubs

913
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: mascot and came to scrubs to work every day. And

914
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: I loved her so much. She was very I think

915
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: I paid for Lola like season eight or nine the money.

916
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: And remember whenever we had group things that chippen on

917
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: like crew gifts or or or getting getting something for

918
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: the crew or in this case giving money to charity

919
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: for Sarah's dog, Johnny C would pay you like an

920
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: hour later, he'd be like, fast money makes fast friends.

921
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: That was one of his Johnny seism would be like

922
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: fast money makes fast friends. And then was the polar opposite,

923
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: Donald will be like eight years later he'd be like, yo,

924
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: did I ever pay you for the dog? And then

925
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: I remember I was the one who I was so disorganized.

926
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: I just would never cash the check. And Ken would

927
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: be like, Sarah, you haven't cashed the check yet. I

928
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: hate those people. Um So, Lola, when you went into

929
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: Sara's dress room, I know we brought this up another time,

930
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: but it was like the It was like if you

931
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: ever seen the show Hoarders. It was like that, but worse.

932
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: It was like there was like a soup. There was

933
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: like an open soup can from two seasons ago, and

934
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: like it looked like it kind of is like as

935
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: if this pages of notes was my dressing room, as

936
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: if if this kind of like rain so Ken Jenkins

937
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: is trying to manage his check book and Sarah just

938
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: throws a check for a thousand dollars in there somewhere

939
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of soup from two seasons it goes true. But

940
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: my nickname was super Breakfast because I would always have

941
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: soup all the time, and you guys be like super Breakfast,

942
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: super breakfast. I love I love soups. I mean, I

943
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: have my hot tea right now. There's always something hot

944
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: in my hands. It's like either soup or tea or yeah.

945
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: But that's guys, you run cold. That's only that's the circulation.

946
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: She was fourteen. Oh, she died, died, she did she literally,

947
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: she was fourteen years old. That's pretty duven good for

948
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: a lab it was fourteen years I guess wh it's

949
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Sarah Chuck everybody the greatest. Next, we have one of

950
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: the most surprising, one of the most talked about, one

951
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: of the most filled with nuggets of wisdom and knowledge interviews.

952
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to be too bold and say maybe ever,

953
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: but certainly here on Fake Doctor's Fake Real Friends. I

954
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: know the show name of this podcast, it's early. Um.

955
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: We had Richard Kind on the show guys, and he

956
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: blew us away with his passion for where the audition process,

957
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: with his love for Michael J. Fox and all that

958
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: that man has brought to the world of entertainment, and

959
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: just with his ability to be so damn funny right

960
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: off the cuff. So bless you Richard for coming on

961
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: the show. Thank you for your time, thank you for

962
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: your wisdom. Let's take another listen to one of my

963
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: favorite interviews. Okay, what I wanted to say, I mean,

964
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: you talked about, Uh, do I get excited about a

965
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: script or are excited about a part? Yes I do,

966
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: I certainly do. Or you pray that you have an

967
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: opportunity to play that part. I'm gonna say something that

968
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: that might be interesting to you guys, or I'm one

969
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: of the idiots that likes auditioning. Really why A couple

970
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: of reasons. Number one, As an actor, I like to

971
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: play all different kinds of roles. I may not be

972
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: i may not be hired, but for ten minutes, I've

973
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: got to play that role. And I can't do it

974
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: alone in the bathroom. I'm not going to invite friends

975
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: over and go, hey, listen to me, do this. Listen

976
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: to me do Willie Loman, because you know, just here here,

977
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you a sandwich and let I would come

978
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: to see you do a little would something. I'd love

979
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: to do it. But but but the thing is, you

980
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: need an acter, needs an audience, and even if it's

981
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: a kid with a camera, you're still performing. So I

982
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: happened to appreciate it. Uh. The other thing is is, um,

983
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I like being nervous. I like the jitters of like

984
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: an opening night. That's fun for me. I know I'm

985
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: not gonna die, I know that my life is not

986
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: on the line. I know nothing's gonna happen to my kids.

987
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: But I get nervous, like being on a roller coaster

988
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: can be fun. And so you're going in front of

989
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: important people. You make it a job. This could be

990
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: the job that makes you a huge amount of money,

991
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: brings you fame, and you might be Matt Terry and

992
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: in friends you don't know. Uh so, who knows what

993
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: this audition is going to bring or that the person

994
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: that you're auditioning for may become a good friend. Whatever

995
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: it is. But you're nervous. Things around the line A

996
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: good way to live. I never heard a bet like that,

997
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: but heard the nervous. I heard the nervous part put

998
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: like that. I've never heard the actors need to perform.

999
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: Look at it as a room to perform. I do. Oh,

1000
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity. And that's that's such a golf analogy too.

1001
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: That's such a golf analogy, dude. But it's an opportunity.

1002
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Here's here's another crazy thing that if I'm teaching, which

1003
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of but I have, when

1004
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: you go in for an audition, you are going, oh,

1005
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: dear God, let me get this role. Please let me

1006
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: be good, Please let me be great. I don't go

1007
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: in that way. I go in and I see six

1008
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: people who all want to make Larry David money. They

1009
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: all want the successive side field. They all want the

1010
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: success of curb your enthusiasm. That's what they want. They

1011
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: want money, they want success. They don't care whether I

1012
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 1: get the role. They want money. And I go in saying, if,

1013
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: and you have to believe this, you have to believe

1014
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: you're the right actor for the role. But if I,

1015
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: if I believe that, which a lot of times I do,

1016
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: I can do this. I go in with the mindset of, Guys,

1017
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to help you make a lot of money.

1018
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: You better if when you cast me, you better cast

1019
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: around me as good as me, because I'll help you

1020
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: make money. I'm going to help make this thing great.

1021
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got your back talk. But most people

1022
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: go in going, oh, I gotta get this. Oh. If

1023
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: you go in with the with the feeling of I'm

1024
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: going to help you make the success, that takes all

1025
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: the pressure off of you. Yeah, Richard, I love that.

1026
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: And I had to say from when I'm directing, I

1027
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: learned a lot about auditioning when I was directing. Because

1028
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: you sit you think that being on the other side

1029
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: of the table is fun. It's fun. For about thirty

1030
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: five minutes, and then it's really grueling and stressful because

1031
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: all you're thinking is funk, We're not going to find

1032
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: this guy or this gal. So what I always say

1033
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: to actors is you need to I mean, yours is

1034
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: brilliant and I'm gonna steal it. But I also say,

1035
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 1: they're you don't know this. They're rooting for you. They want,

1036
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: they're dying for you to be good. If you're great,

1037
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: they're done. If you're great. They're gonna make money if

1038
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: you're good, and all you want to be good for yourself.

1039
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: Don't guess they're they're saying, Dear God, give me somebody

1040
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: who's good. I agree with you. Now I'm gonna bring

1041
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: up something that you're gonna hate. But you know that

1042
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it up when you were doing going

1043
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: my way. I auditioned for the bank or at the beginning,

1044
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: and I did not have and I only went on

1045
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: tape and I did not have. I remember not being

1046
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: not feeling good about it. I remember it, and I,

1047
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: of course you care whether or not you get it.

1048
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I think I requested you come in for it. Okay,

1049
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: could be what I wanted to do. Let's not get

1050
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: the role I wanted to do. I wanted to impress Zack.

1051
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what I wanted to do. Now,

1052
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: the guy you hired happened to be a friend of

1053
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: mine and he's great. Yeah, it's wonderful. Uh and I

1054
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: do you do you mind not getting a role? Oh? Yeah,

1055
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: it happens. But that that was my mindset and it

1056
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: could have gotten in my way of doing a good job. Well,

1057
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I gotta say that. What what I think is I

1058
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: recall I asked you to come in because I literally

1059
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: when I when I'm casting something and it's a particularly

1060
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: a funny part, I'm like, well, who are the funny

1061
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: people that I like working with? I agree with age

1062
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: and you're at the top of that list. Um, and

1063
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: uh but yeah, I I I I really like And

1064
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of actors listening. Who who who?

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: This is this really useful advice. The audition process. We've

1066
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: all been groomed our whole lives to be like and

1067
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: we do it. Oh shit, I'm nervous. Oh shit, come on,

1068
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: please come on, God, come on, Universe, give this to me.

1069
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: But it really comes down to not walking in that room, terrified,

1070
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: walking in that room with your shoulders back going, guys,

1071
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: let me let me help you. I'm here to do this.

1072
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: Let me help you. I'm not necessarily saying that you

1073
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: can't say no performance. Let's just be clearman, Yes, yes, actors,

1074
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: please don't walk in the room and say you're looking.

1075
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm here. You don't say it out loude you go.

1076
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: You don't say hey, fucker's you better cast as well?

1077
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: This is a good segue into can you tell us

1078
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: about Spince? Your audition for Spin City and and and

1079
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: and Bill and how all that went? I got a

1080
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: great story. This is this, take about five minutes? Great story?

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00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: You could you can take an hour. Go ahead, tea time.

1082
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: He's got a tea time, but take take five minutes time. Yes,

1083
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: but we're talking about me. So I guess I have

1084
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot. I'll only I'll only play eight homes if

1085
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: I can keep talking about being probably how good I am?

1086
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: Richard Richard Richard only as a tea time if we're

1087
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: talking about things unrelated to him. All right, So uh,

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00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: Gary David Goldberg had a show called Champs. It was

1089
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: about it was sort of like that Championship season. It

1090
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: was it was sort of based on his life. It

1091
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: was one coach and five guys who were best friends,

1092
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: of which Gary does have that life. He he had

1093
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: his best friends who were a basketball team from when

1094
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: he was in high school. So he made a sitcom

1095
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: about that club chance and I wanted to read for it,

1096
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: and Gary said, he's not right. He goes, I know

1097
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: Richard kind, I know him from Man About He's not

1098
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: he's not right for it, and I'm going I I

1099
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: just let me read. He would not see me. That

1100
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: show went the way of most shows, like one season.

1101
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Then he had Spin City and he didn't want to

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00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: see me. And we called the casting director, and the

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: casting director spoke to Bill Lawrence and Bill wanted to

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00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: see me, and I said, let me go in and

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00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: see the casting director first so that I I can practice

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: and see it because Gary doesn't want to see me.

1107
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: And Gary says, oh, I know, I know which you're

1108
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: kind for Man About you and he's great. He's great.

1109
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: He's not right for the role. Gary didn't want to

1110
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: see me. Bill did. I had a handle on this part.

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00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: The only thing that would have uh not gone it

1112
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: for me is because I was too tall from Michael J.

1113
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: Fox or I might have been too Jewish ethnic New

1114
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: York City for whatever. But otherwise, if they called me back,

1115
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: the role is mine. So I wanted to go into

1116
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: the casting director and then I went into UH the

1117
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: UH to read for Bill and for Gary, and indeed

1118
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: I was called back. And I literally said to myself,

1119
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: if they called me back, this role is mine. Okay,

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01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: I have to go in to meet with Michael. Cut

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01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: back years before when I was at Second City, Michael J.

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: Fox came to the Second City was doing the movie Satisfaction.

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01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: Let me just for those for those that don't know,

1124
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: Second Cities an improv group ahead right and uh and

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: I was part of the company, and whenever somebody famous

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: was in the audist, we would invite them to improvise

1127
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: with us, which we did with Michael. So Michael and

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: Robin Duke are doing a scene there was obviously he

1129
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: was the son, she was the mother. It's obvious if

1130
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: I opened the door and I say, Honey, I'm home,

1131
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm the father, and I belong there. I So I

1132
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: come into the scene with Honney I'm home, and Michael

1133
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: bounded one too three and jumped into my like this,

1134
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean off the floor into my arms. Now a

1135
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: couple of things. I'm strong, but I'm not that strong.

1136
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: Michael J. Fox is so light that anybody's strong. And

1137
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: he clumped onto me like David Letterman did with self pro.

1138
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: You remember when he did that too, And Michael did

1139
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: that and he hung on like that when I tell you,

1140
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: and you've got to understand how long time is. There

1141
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: was a forty five second laugh. It's and it wasn't that.

1142
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: It was that. It was Michael was so athletic and

1143
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: agile and knew the laugh and he just hung on

1144
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: and I walked around with him. I'm telling you like

1145
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: a money like at Yeah, they were dying. It is

1146
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: a laugh. I will always remember it in my head.

1147
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: It's like a movie. I can see what it looks like.

1148
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: Memorable before I went into the audition. Cut to today, okay,

1149
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: to to the audition for Spin City. And sometimes I

1150
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: don't have a therapist anymore, but at the time I

1151
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: had a therapist, and it was a good luck thing

1152
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: that I go and see my therapist sometime before I

1153
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: had the audition, and it would loosen me up, it

1154
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: would make me feel alive or whatever. So I go

1155
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: in and I say, I tell him the story and

1156
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,959
Speaker 1: I say, should I bring it up? And my therapist goes, absolutely,

1157
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: if it was that memorable, absolutely bring it up. I

1158
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: go in, I meet Michael, and I say, I've got

1159
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: to tell you. You You may not we've met before. I

1160
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: was on stage at Second City and we did is

1161
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: and this is what Michael said, and he's given me

1162
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: permission to to tell the story. He goes, I'm sorry,

1163
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember it because I was so drunk and

1164
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: high during that point in my life. I don't even

1165
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: remember doing Satisfaction. He did not remember being at Second City,

1166
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: he didn't remember being in Chicago. He had no memory

1167
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: of really doing the movie. Isn't that amazing? God, I know,

1168
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: isn't that isn't that sensing one of the biggest It's

1169
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: crazy that one of the biggest moments in your life,

1170
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: one of the moments that of a memorable laugh. He

1171
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: had no clue, no clue. He has no memory of

1172
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: leaping leaping onto one of the improv comedians. He has

1173
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: no memory of leaping on and holding one. However, this

1174
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: is something I then remember about the audition. This is

1175
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 1: something I clearly remember. Is I had a They wrote

1176
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: Bill Lawrence, as you know, as everybody who's listening. Bill

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence is a fucking genius. He works very hard at

1178
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: being a genius, and sometimes he works to the last

1179
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: minute at being a genius. But nonetheless he is a

1180
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: genius at what he has chosen to do. He's he

1181
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: makes things accessible, funny, weird. And let me get to

1182
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: to that a little later. But I remember doing the

1183
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: scene and he wrote such a brilliant funny line. Because

1184
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: he was a great writer. Um Gary was a great

1185
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: show runner. Not necessarily he was a great captain. He

1186
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: was not necessarily as great a writer as some of

1187
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: the products that he put out. But when you have

1188
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: a genius like like Bill Lawrence, you can get it.

1189
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: And Gary was able to to teach things, to build

1190
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: and generate things that Bill not only learn but cultivated

1191
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: and made blast him even more. But that I had

1192
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: one hilariously funny line that I read at Michael J. Fox.

1193
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could do it. I don't think

1194
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm met late anymore. In this chair's gonna gonna roll,

1195
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: He jumped in the air like this and just landed.

1196
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: He jumped in the air with laughter and landed on

1197
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: the chair. He laughed that hard at my delivery, and

1198
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: I have to admit I walked out of there going

1199
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: the part is mine, Yeah, it's mine. We we we.

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01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: Donald and I have spoken about his timing Michael J. Fox.

1201
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I I grew up watching family ties, and

1202
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to analyze comedy or or anything

1203
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: about it at a young age. But I just knew

1204
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,919
Speaker 1: that he was doing something unique with his timing that

1205
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: was so special. And Bill has said to us that

1206
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: no one, no one could hold the pause and wait

1207
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: for the laugh better than than Mike Fox. He he

1208
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: just knew. It's like you watch those teenage girls playing

1209
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: double dutch and how they know just when to go in.

1210
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: Like Michael J. Fox was just so skilled at just

1211
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: the right amount of pause, right he was. I'm gonna

1212
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you two things. Number One, I

1213
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: heard Carl Reiner interviewed by Bob Costas, and Carl Reiner

1214
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: said sitcoms were written by Jews to be acted by

1215
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: non Jews. And Michael J. Fox has the rhythm of

1216
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: a bors belt comedian Jewish. Michael great, great, great talent.

1217
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: He has that rhythm. And now I'm gonna tell you

1218
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: something else. This is sour grapes a little bit. Michael

1219
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: could hold for the for that he could take a

1220
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: line and make it three lines, and the camera would

1221
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: alway be on him because he's Michael J. Fox and

1222
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: he's the star of the show. If we tried to

1223
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: do it, Gary would edit it and it would all

1224
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: be compressed because we're not the start, and you've just

1225
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: got to understand you're not the star. But I would, Well,

1226
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: maybe I couldn't do what he did, because quite honestly,

1227
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: what he did something. I've done this with Michael, and

1228
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: I've done this with Christopher Walking. I have acted with them,

1229
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: and as they're talking, in my head, I'm going, really,

1230
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: that's how you're going to deliver the line. That's your

1231
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: that's your choice. That's what you want to say and

1232
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: how you want to say. All right, that's if that's

1233
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: going on in my head. And I would do that

1234
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: with Michael. And I was lucky enough to act with

1235
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: Christopher Walking, and I see them on screen and it

1236
01:07:54,320 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: takes a breath of Richard kind everybody. To conclude our episode,

1237
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the most visited guest, the person without

1238
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: whom none of this would be possible. Obviously, I'm speaking

1239
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: of Mr Bill Lawrence, I'm just gonna just let it

1240
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: sprinkle over you, surprise you as it were. He's been

1241
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: on a lie, but there was a particular moment I

1242
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: happen to love. I think you guys will enjoy revisiting UM.

1243
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: It highlights the joy that is the friendship between Bill

1244
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: and Zach and Donald. Let's it. That's our show, So

1245
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: enjoy the lovely outro. Have a great couple of days.

1246
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: We will see you on Thursday when Daniel comes back

1247
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: to host. Oh my god, I'm so excited. Daniel's doing

1248
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: his first clip show and he's going to tell us

1249
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: all about the beats behind your favorite rap recaps. So

1250
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: join us on Thursday. We'll see you guys. Then have

1251
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: a great one by Bill. Tell everyone and what the

1252
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: very unique only once, I believe in eight and a

1253
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: half or nine seasons did this occur. Tell everybody what occurred?

1254
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: Uh So, this is fascinating, man, because the book, it's

1255
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: an it's an old argument that's kind of gone away

1256
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,480
Speaker 1: thanks to streaming. But what UM television network television specifically

1257
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 1: considered appropriate with sensors um and with standards and practices

1258
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: was so weird, especially you know, the ageld argument was violence,

1259
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: you know versus uh sexual cond You know, you kill

1260
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: anybody on TV, but don't have anybody uh you know,

1261
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: taking someone shirt off or something like that is crazy.

1262
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: And this episode in particular drove me insane because, um,

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Speaker 1: it was before UH medicinal marijuana was crazy, crazy widespread.

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: And the episode was originally written that Elliott and Carla

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01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: are trying to help a cancerous woman who is on

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01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: the way out and just having such a hard time

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: with the pain and the discomfort. It was them out

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01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: and about trying to get her marijuana because they knew

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01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: medically that it would alleviate a ship ton of her symptoms. UM.

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Speaker 1: And we handed that script in and said, you can't

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01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: there this. You can't, unfortunately for you on NBC, even

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: though it's um for altruistic reasons. You can't have a

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01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: physician and a nurse driving around trying to find someone

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: they can buy pot off of post one moment there,

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Speaker 1: Bill is, I recall we be you handed it in,

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: but we had begun shooting you. We shot a scene

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: or two of it. Is that, Yeah, but you know

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: that just makes me look like some doing all right?

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01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: So what Zack story? One of the parts of zack

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: story is Bill sometimes didn't hand in the script until

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01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: after we started. Yeah, yeah, but you did, Yeah, the

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: subject says Bill. Uh, Well, you had the you had

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01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: the power and cloud to be able to do it

1284
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: like that in the day. But this was the one chance.

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01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: This is the one opportunity where they were like yeah,

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: but no, yeah, so say they said we wouldn't air it.

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01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: And partly because it was an easy fix, and partly

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01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: because I found it so hypocritical, I said, all right, well,

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: because we need the story to stork structurally, we'll just

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: have the woman that's dying be a virgin, and we'll

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01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: have Elliott and Carla go look for a man horse

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,480
Speaker 1: so she can get laid. And they're like, oh, that's fine.

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01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 1: I love that you were being facetious. And they were like,

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: all right, but yeah, do that so they can't go

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: even though it's proven by you know, so many medical studies.

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: And now, as you guys know, we use UM uh

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01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, different um products CBD severa for anything pain,

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01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: this was, this was whatever, this was yea. Even back

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: then it was considered an amazing treatment for the side

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01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: effects for chemo, you know, and for uh for nausea

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,919
Speaker 1: and for all that stuff. So I'm I'm like, doctors

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01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: can't go get a patient that's dying marijuana, but they

1303
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: can go to anywhere and get her a man horse,

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: so she canna have sex in the hospital. Yeah, that

1305
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: sounds funny, but it is funny. Funny, it is funny.

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very funny episode Bill with

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01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: a lot of memorable quotes, including the first ever what

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap? Bob Bobob

1309
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: by the way, never ever, And that's an old joke

1310
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: and the only reason that joke feels new is it

1311
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 1: has never ever been delivered better than Ken Jenkins delivered

1312
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: man just and by the way, you know it's next version.

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: It's sequel, which you guys will get to, is what

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: has two thumbs and still doesn't give a crap? By

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01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: the way? Instead Bob Kelso, how you do? And it's

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01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: Bob Kelso I thought we had met, you know, I

1317
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: had never heard this joke until this moment, So, yeah,

1318
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: this is the first time, and so I kind of

1319
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: got caught off guard when he was like, what has

1320
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: two thumbs and doesn't give a crap? I was like

1321
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: what has two thumbs and doesn't and then he goes bam.

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01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: I laughed so hard. I don't think i've yeah to

1323
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: this day. You're absolutely right, Kim has. Kim crushes it

1324
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: better than anybody has. It's hilarious, and I like Donald

1325
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: I never I didn't know it was a known joke.

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: I thought you guys came up with it, but I

1327
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: thought it was hilarious. He's an assassin. When he just

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01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: says things like they're real that way, it just kills me.

1329
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: My biggest memory of and you guys from then dragged

1330
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: through the different of this particular episode was um. I

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01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: occasionally had times on scrubs I'm sure you guys did too,

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: that I'd wander onto set. I wouldn't be sure what

1333
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: we were doing, and then what was happening there would

1334
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: make me think that I was on Who Loosenagen's or

1335
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:54,440
Speaker 1: have a moment like I was anybody do this on television?

1336
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: Because I had a bunch of things going on in

1337
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: this episode and was working on other things too. Sometimes

1338
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: and I strolled down into the apartment set, which was

1339
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: away from everywhere else, and I walked in and terror

1340
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: Read was sitting on a throne of toilet paper, and

1341
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: they were like a bunch of male models dancing around,

1342
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell is going on? How

1343
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: is this? This isn't something for national television? Is it? Like? No, no,

1344
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: you guys? Is in the script there's some ship had me.

1345
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: There's there's two different there's two different tower read Uh,

1346
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: you're conflating to There's one where she's in a room

1347
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: made of toilet paper, drinking a cocktail out of a

1348
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: toilet paper roll. And then there's another where I'm sort

1349
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: of a studious, nerdy guy reading my book and she's

1350
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: filled the apartment with male strippers who are gyrating all

1351
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: over her. Hammocks everywhere or something it will be out

1352
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: of hammocks everywhere. Why Bill? Why Why do j D

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 1: and and and Turk have a rule about guests bringing

1354
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,480
Speaker 1: their own toilet paper? Uh? I think that that was

1355
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: That was loosely based on a story I told about

1356
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: my college roommate named Steve mac who whenever we went

1357
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: on spring breaks or on trips, every time he opened

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01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: his backpack there'd be toilet paper in there. And it

1359
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: just always by the way, It's like those people that

1360
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: bring their own pillow on trips and you think, and

1361
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: then you sleep on the pillow. And we used to

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01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: give him a ship, you know, like, oh, if you

1363
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: baby your ass, little baby, you we get you know,

1364
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: we used to give him costs of shit about it.

1365
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: But then you get to some ski resort or some

1366
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: shitty hotel and they would have like two ply sand

1367
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: paper hanging from metal thing by the toilet, and Steve

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: mac would be like, nobody touched my own toilet. And

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's good. That should be a rule for

1370
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: bring your own toilet paper anywhere you go. That's funny. Yeah,

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01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: I have a buddy that brings his own wipes wherever

1372
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: he goes. It's not dumb. You know. I traveled with

1373
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: a pillow. Now I don't feel bad about it. I

1374
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: did my first pillow travel, this time to London, Bill

1375
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: because I have fallen in love with a pillow. And

1376
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: you can go to the fanciest hotel or the cheapest

1377
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: motel and and and have bad pillows and it sucks. Uh.

1378
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: You want to know another odd thing. And I did

1379
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: see this, I think because I looked at watched the

1380
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: episode last night and I didn't want to do a gabby,

1381
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: which is what it means. When Oh my God told Bill,

1382
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: I was like, Bill, you you told us I'll bring

1383
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,919
Speaker 1: a writer on and the writer didn't watch the episode.

1384
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: The I love Gabby, They're so funny. It wasn't great,

1385
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: but we love to give her about it. The uh,

1386
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, she doesn't don't worry. She doesn't listen. She

1387
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: doesn't know where she's talking. Yet, by the way, this

1388
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: is on a Friday. She will not listen no matter what.

1389
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: The other piece of trivia that I remembered about this

1390
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: particular episode was there's a joke about Elliott saying someone

1391
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: saw her orgasm face, and Um, I remember getting ship

1392
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: the writer's room because we were pretty good about continuity,

1393
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: but we condictular ourself with Elliott's sexual past. You thousand

1394
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: times you did scrubs. Wicky is very upset about it.

1395
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: I will readjo a direct quote from people on TV

1396
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: without pity. We're not having it. Let me tell you something.

1397
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: Here we go, it says Um. When Ellien is talking

1398
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: to her patient, she talks about a time in high

1399
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: school when she had a quote orgasm face. Yet in

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: the previous episode, she told Carla that she has never

1401
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: had an orgasm Elliott's romantic life is full of differing

1402
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: stories their contradictions. We also, I think she said once

1403
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: we said that she lost I think she lost her

1404
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: virginity in a crawl space. Um, but maybe we can

1405
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: rationalize it by saying Elliott is just just doesn't I

1406
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: don't know how can you Rationalizy Did you say she

1407
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: doesn't remember? And I think you also said I think

1408
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: one time she lost her virginity with a guy that

1409
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: lost his arm to a bear if you remember that.

1410
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: By the way, she's so funny in this episode. She

1411
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: was just like, let loose on this episode, I mean,

1412
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: your both the writing for her and her whole just

1413
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: way of being was just fucking on like level ten.

1414
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: There were some uncomfortable moments though in this episode, for

1415
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: when he face no that one Randall jumping out of

1416
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: the closet and Krista and Johnny c being on the

1417
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: bed and leather that kind of sucked me up. Remember,

1418
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: and I remember the GI was it random? I would no, wait,

1419
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: wait Frank better, Yeah, let's wait hold up this time, No,

1420
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: Krista was oiled up too. They both put the oil

1421
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: on because they're doing some pulp fiction gimp stuff. It

1422
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: was very weird. I can't imagine Chris the reading that

1423
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: and being like okay, Bill, okay. By the way, I

1424
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: just laid low and tried to avoid her, you know

1425
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. Here's some stories about show. We made

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01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: nurses eas NETA should know. So gather around you here

1427
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: are gather around you here aubus, but free while your wins.

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01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: And then mm hmmm