1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Every year, baseball fans flock to Cooperstown, New York to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: visit the greatest tribute to the history of America's greatest game. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: The Baseball Hall of Fame is a hollowed ground reserved 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: for the game's greatest players in order to preserve the 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: memory of their legendary careers. In order to be enshrine 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: the game's legends, are put through a rigorous voting process 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: where the marriage of their careers are judged by the 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: Baseball Writers Association of America. These are the writers that 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: are supposed to know the game and have followed their 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: careers better than anybody else. But notice how I say 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: supposed to. Recently, those that are in charge of the 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: voting process have shown that their evaluative criteria may not 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: be up to the standards of the power they hold. 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Too often, deserving candidates are pushed aside for those that 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: are less qualified than them. Some are held out for 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: much longer than they should be, and some even drop 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: off the ballot entirely despite having strong cases to be in. 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: It is these inconsistencies in voting that have led me 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: to take up of serious interest in the process and 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: try and bring justice to the Hall of Fame. My 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: vision of the hall Hall of Fame is one where 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: deserving candidates are voted in, personal vendettas are ignored, and 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: candidates are evaluated on nothing more than the merits of 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: their careers on a baseball diamond. While my real power 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: it may be limited, my desire for justice led me 26 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: to create this podcast where I make the arguments for 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: and again some of the most controversial cases on the 28 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame ballot. It is on this platform that 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: I will justify opening the doors of the Hall of 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Fame to every deserving candidate, no matter how many there 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: may be. This is big Hall Talk. Welcome to Big 32 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Hall Talk, everybody. I'm Ethan Medowski, and I don't care 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: how many players make the Hall of Fame, so long 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: as the right ones do. The reason I mentioned this 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: term big hall is because many of the problems that 36 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: you'll see with Hall of Fame voting, you know, I'm noticed, 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: are from writers that want to keep what's called a 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: small hall where the only they only vote for a 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: few candidates every year to give the Hall of Fame 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: a light of exclusivity. But on this podcast, I will 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: present some of the cases that big Hall and small 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Hall voters differ on and I'll offer my personal opinion 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: on whether those players are worthy or not. You'll see 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: that I typically lean towards a big Hall. Whether or 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: not you agree will show what type of voter you are. 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: And you know, all opinions on all Hall of famers 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: are respected around here, unless you think that Omarvis Skill 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer. But before we get into 49 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: specific cases, let's go over some of the terms, stats, 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: other topics and issues that you'll hear a lot of 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: discussions about these players, so that you're familiar with how 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: I'll evaluate these candidates and get an idea of the 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: type of discussion ahead. So the first thing that we 54 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: should really talk about is what kind of statistics You're 55 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: going to hear me use a lot, because that's really 56 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: what a lot of my arguments are going to be 57 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: based off of. So the first thing you're gonna hear 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: me talk about slash lines all the time. A slash 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: line is three or four statistics, depending on how you 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: use them, and they're all averages. So batting average, on 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: base percentage and slugging percentage. Slugging percentage is representative of 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: how much power a guy hits for and then ops, 63 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: it will be the last number that I talk about 64 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: in a guy's slash line. That's just the combination of 65 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: on base and slugging. I think it's a much better 66 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: metric for offensive production than batting averages. I don't really 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: look too much into a guy's batting average anymore. That's 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: something that a lot of old voters will do. They'll 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: set this threat, this threshold that if a guy doesn't 70 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: hit three hundred, he's not a Hall of Famer, which 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: I think is ridiculous. Not hitting three hundred does not 72 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: mean you weren't an amazing hitter or worthy of the 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. The next one, and this is really 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: an important metric, is war, which is wins above replacement. 75 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Fan Grafts, which is a site that you'll hear me 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: reference a lot on here defines it as an attempt 77 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: by the saber metric baseball community to summarize the player's 78 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: total contributions to their team in one statistic. Basically, it's 79 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: how many wins is a guy worth to your team. 80 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: There's usually this threshold that people talk about where you know, 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: some people have a cut off below at sixty. If 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: you have a war below sixty, you're not in I 83 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: kind of see it fluctuating. Basically, fifty five and above 84 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: is really good. You know, seventy is pretty much almost 85 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: automatic right now on the ballot. The player with the 86 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: lowest WAR that I vote for, besides Billy Wagner, who 87 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: is different because he's a reliever, is Jeff Kent. He 88 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: has fifty six wars. So that just gives you an 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: idea of the type of player that we'll be looking at. 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: Way it runs, created plus is my favorite metric personally. 91 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: It really is basically just how many runs a player 92 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: was worth to his team. The plus signifies that it 93 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: talks about league average, and league average will always be 94 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: one hundred, So every point above one hundred is one 95 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: percent above league average, and every point below one hundred 96 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: is one percent below league average. This is a really 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: good measure of offensive performance because of that reason, because 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: it's really easy to show how much better a guy 99 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: is than average. Let's talk about some awards, and these 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: are things that I'm gonna be talking a lot about 101 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: with guys. You know. MVPs obviously one can help the case. 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: You know, I talked about Jeff Kent. He's got one. 103 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: That's a huge boost to his case. Gold gloves. The 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: reason I really love gold gloves is because I'm not 105 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: a huge fan of defensive metrics. I don't know a 106 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: ton about them. I'm not really sure how much numbers 107 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: can measure defense, so I just really kind of go 108 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: off the eye test, and gold gloves are a really 109 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: good measure of the eye tests. Because if you're making 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: the fat, flashiest plays, if you're making the simple plays 111 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, or even the tough plays look look easy, 112 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna win gold gloves. And guys that win gold gloves, 113 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: guys that really rack them up, you know, can be 114 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: a huge boost to their case. I mean, Barry Bonds 115 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: has eight gold gloves. Would you ever know that? No, 116 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: but he was a tremendous defender, and having eight of 117 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: them shows Also, it says you were the best defender 118 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: at your position, you know, either one year or if 119 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: you won them consistently, you were the best defender at 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: your position for a long time. That's huge. Silver Sluggers 121 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: is the same kind of thing. It's basically the gold glove, 122 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: but it's for hitters, where you ever the best hitter 123 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: at your position. I think that's something that's very important 124 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: with pitchers. The big one is cy Young's. Obviously, that's 125 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: basically the pitcher MVP Award. You know, it doesn't automatically 126 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: disquite qualify you if you have if you don't have 127 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: a Cy Young. You know, I don't love like Anti 128 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Pettit's case or Mark Burley's case because they don't have one. 129 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: But Kurt Schilling doesn't have one, but his case is 130 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot stronger, and so for that reason, you know, 131 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: I kind of differ on those guys cases. But cy 132 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: Young's are certainly a measure were you ever the best 133 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: pitcher in the league, and if you were, were you 134 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: the best pitcher in the league multiple times? All Star 135 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: appearances aren't always the best representation of success because fans 136 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: vote on them, but they show longevity. If you were 137 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: an All Star for eight times, twelve times, thirteen times, 138 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: whatever they may be, it shows that you were really 139 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: good for a long time. And it also shows consistent 140 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: recognition as one of the best players in the league, 141 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: because that's really what All Stars are all about. Some 142 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: of the issues that I'm gonna you know, you're gonna 143 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: hear me talk about in terms of why guys aren't 144 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: getting in. The biggest one is obviously performance enhancing drugs 145 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: and steroids. I am not you know, I'm not one 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: to keep guys out for steroids. I vote for. There 147 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: are a few steroid guys on this ballot that I 148 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: vote for. You know, there are certain cases. Robinson Cano 149 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: is an active player that has a pretty good Hall 150 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: of Fame case. He just tested positive for steroids for 151 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: the second time, will be suspended again, and for me, 152 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: that's it. You know, Mini Ramirez did the same thing. 153 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: His case is a lot stronger, and we'll talk about 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: his case down the road. So it's a very very tough, 155 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, when it gets to that second one, it's 156 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: very tough. But I'm not one to keep a guy 157 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: out that is, you know, accused but never proven, or 158 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: even if they just had one offense. The next one 159 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: is character issues, and the big ball you know, the 160 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: big name on this ballot is Kurt Shilling. Kurt Shilling 161 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: has made some extremely derogatory comments that I would never 162 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: ever agree with, and I really just in of way, 163 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: I kind of find him repulsive. I'm gonna be honest, 164 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: but I'm not here, you know, as I talked about 165 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: voting for the merits on a baseball field and the 166 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: baseball field only, and as as a Hall of Fame voter, 167 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: It's not up to me to be the character police. 168 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: I'm not here to, you know, punish you for being 169 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: a bad person. If you were one of the best 170 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: baseball players of your generation and you qualify for the 171 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, I'm going to vote for you for 172 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I'm not going to hold a 173 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: personal vendetta against you. Longevity is another one. You know, 174 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: there are some instances where injuries derail a career. Andrew 175 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: Jones is one of them. We'll talk about him next 176 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: week or next episode, and he, you know, his career 177 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: was kind of derailed by injuries. If a guy is qualified, 178 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: injuries and how long they play should never be a 179 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: reason to keep them out. You know, if anything, they 180 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: only would have had a better career without injuries. So 181 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: it's really hard. I'm not gonna I'm also not gonna 182 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: reward guys that played forever. You know, Viscale played for 183 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: twenty four years. I'm not gonna reward him just because 184 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: he played forever. The next one is ballparks. This is 185 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: really there's really only one ballpark where there this comes 186 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: into place, and that's Coors Field, which is at mile 187 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: High in Denver. The ball obviously flies out of there. 188 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: These guys, it's not their fault that the that Major 189 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: League Baseball put a team in Denver. They they you know, 190 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: they didn't create the team in Denver and say I'm 191 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: gonna make this team and play there. It's not a 192 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: good reason to keep guys out. Larry Walker, who just 193 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: got in last year and is my guy, my king, 194 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: Larry Walker. I love him. His case was, you know, 195 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: he got held on out until the tenth year on 196 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the ballot, his final year, and he was so overqualified, 197 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: but he was kept out because many people, you know, 198 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: didn't think his career was warranted because he played at Corsefield. 199 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. Many stats these days are park adjusted. 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: They show you how good a guy was at home 201 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: and on the road, and they account for that kind 202 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think that's a you know, not 203 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: a great reason to keep a guy out. And then 204 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: the final one, and this one is something that kind 205 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: of bothers me a lot, is you know, the first ballot, 206 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: first ballot, Hall of Famers, and then dropping guys off 207 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: a ballot. Yes, there are certain guys that have the 208 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, status of being a first ballot Hall of Famer. 209 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: The first time you're on the ballot, you're in. You 210 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: were that good. But if I think that a guy 211 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer, why does it matter, you know, 212 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: if it's the first year or the tenth year. If 213 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: there's room for him on my ballot, then he's going 214 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: to be on my ballot in year one, he's going 215 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: to be in on my ballot in year ten. I'm 216 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: never going to take a guy off a ballot unless 217 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: they're so somebody else that pops up that I have 218 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: to vote for and I run out of space. You know, 219 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: that can some kind kind of depend on ballot space 220 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: with only ten votes. But there's no reason to ever 221 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: drop a guy off a ballot that you've voted for. 222 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: If you're if you're a Hall of Famer in year one, 223 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: you're a Hall of Famer in year ten. And that's 224 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: just how it is. I'm not going to hold guys 225 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: out in you know, there's there's not a fourth ballot 226 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: and a seventh ballot hall of Famer. When you're a 227 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, you're a Hall of Famer, and that's 228 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: just kind of how I see it. These are just 229 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: some of the common topics that I'll be talking about 230 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: on this podcast. You know, of the twenty five names 231 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: on the ballot, they are about twelve to fifteen that 232 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: will receive legitimate consideration. We'll discuss all of them starting 233 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: on the next episode, and we're going to talk about 234 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: possibly the most intriguing case on the ballot, and Andrew Jones, 235 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: the center fielder, longtime Atlanta Brave, a career derailed by injuries, 236 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, so that will be the first case 237 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: that we'll be exploring. Is his defensive value and power 238 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: hitting ability enough to overcome his lack of longevity and 239 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: mediocre batting average. Is Jones's place at the heart of 240 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: one of the great powerhouses of the nineties a legitimate 241 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: reason for him to get in to me, it's the 242 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: most interesting case on the ballot, and we'll discuss it 243 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: on the next episode of Big Hall Talk.