WEBVTT - Luke’s Diner: Kindred Spirits with Kate 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.080 I am all in again. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:20.560 Oh, I am all in again with Scott Patterson in 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.320 iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.040 Hi, Ky, how are you? Nice to meet? 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.159 You nice to meet? You have to go on. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.720 It's going, and you know it's going as good as 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:34.159 a ken for a Phillies fan like me, you know 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:34.880 how that goes. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:36.640 I didn't know you're a Phillillies fan. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:43.400 I'm born in Phillies, raised all those decades of frustration. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.120 Wait, wait, sorry, where are you from? 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.080 I was born in Philadelphia and I was raised in 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:49.960 South Jersey. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.960 Fantastic. I just came from Ocean City and we were 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.040 in Finland in Tuckaho. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.560 Yeah. I spent many many summers in Ocean City. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:00:59.120 Dude, that's all. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:00:59.560 I know. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:00.560 What a season. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.240 I love this season of the Phillies, and I what 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.479 a brutal ending to an amazing, amazing year. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.839 You know, their problem was this organization. They didn't play 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.640 Weston Wilson enough or at all. They didn't get many 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.400 at bats in the playoffs. And that's a breakout star. Yeah, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:26.160 that's a breakout power hitter star you know, waiting to happen, 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.360 and they didn't give him a shot. Dude, I'm sick 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.920 of watching guys. I'm just so sick of watching guys 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.119 strike out in the big looks. I mean, I don't 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.080 care how hard these guys are throwing. They're not throwing strikes. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.520 Just take all these pitches. Take the pitches, bunt, slap 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.880 the ball the other way, play some small ball when 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.880 you get over yourselves. None of you were Babe Ruth, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:50.720 you're not Mickey Manple, You're not Ted Williams. And get 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.200 on base. And that's all I have to say that. 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.720 I was at the game where Kyle forber Shober hit 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.120 four home runs the last home game I went to, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.480 and boy, that was something I have to say. If 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.160 I get hit by a car for real, I'm good. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.360 I'm really that was it. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.520 Yeah, But I mean, at the end of the season, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.040 it's like you're you're playing a small market team and 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.799 all their minor U league arms are up there and 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.640 you're gonna hit four home runs off them, So what 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:21.920 you know. So it's like these guys, I'm sorry, if 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.680 you strike out two hundred times a year, your value 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.240 goes down. I don't get it. I don't get it right, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.800 I don't get it. I don't get it how that's 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.720 acceptable where you strike out rate is thirty three percent. Well, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.760 thirty three percent, Kate, Kate. If you and I walked 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.799 onto a set and one third of the time we 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.840 couldn't nail the scene, we couldn't get it right, we 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.960 kept dropping our lunch, we'd be gone. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.680 Although, how many times of the audition for stuff and 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.840 didn't get it? I mean those percentages are pretty high 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:52.040 for me. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.680 Okay, oh no, I agree in the beginning shore the 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.120 first couple of years, but then you learn, right. I 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:06.000 went on like one hundred audition hitting streak where I 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.000 was just like hitting the ball of the park, but 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.200 I wasn't scoring. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.400 Yeah, I still don't score sometimes. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.320 Still, Oh yeah, it's it's so hard many. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.480 Times, many times this close close. They love you. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.200 But I don't know how people get jobs. It's so 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.040 hard to get a job. I don't know how people 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:27.080 do it. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.320 It is. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.519 That's why I kept my restaurant job through the first 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.880 season of the Office, because I was like, we have 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.720 a short season, Like, dude, it. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.080 Was it was six hours. I was like, I'm not quitting. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.119 I'm not starting a new job if this doesn't work out, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.640 cover my shifts during the week and work my Sunday brunch. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.840 I gotta do what you gotta do. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.760 I stayed in my I had a little rent. I 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.280 had stayed in a little rent control apartment in West 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:56.760 Hollywood for the first three years at Gilmore. My nut 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.320 was you know, my nut monthly for everything, for rent, 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.720 for you know, gus, for food, whatever. I mean, it 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:06.560 was under like eight hundred bucks a month. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:07.480 That's how you do it. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.160 I mean, yeah, I look very yeah, like keep the 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.160 overhead load. That's part of the of the magic, you know, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.880 that's how you do it. I think these kids that 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.279 are like living over their means and putting stuff on 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.960 credit cards and thinking one jobs gonna save me. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:21.960 No, you're screwed. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.359 Yeah. There are people that get their first series and 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.440 they buy a beach house in Malibu on credit. 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.919 Or people buy a big house the last year of 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.400 their series and then like oh no. And then my 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.359 whole thing is like when you're ending, you gotta batten 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:43.400 down the hatches. It's graduation time, Like, uh, get take 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:44.279 a reality pill. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:46.839 You you really do? 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:47.520 No? 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.000 No, yeah, yeah, yeah. One day you're hitting four home runs, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.680 the next day you're striking out five times. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.760 You know, you gotta know you gotta gotta know when 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.080 to wet your hair like like Marsh and go. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:08.280 That guy guy, what's going on? I love him at 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.600 least such a weirdo. I love him. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:10.440 You know what? 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.680 He was hitting really well that last part of the season, 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.040 wasn't he He was? He was on fire. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.359 He was dude. That wet hair is no joke. He 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.240 was just That's It's. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.720 A lot of he should he should have. At least 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.360 he should have a water deal with somebody. He should 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.480 have like Fijis it should. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.760 Write him, even Crystal guys ourselves, come on, let's go. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:40.400 Some local Philly water thing or the or the Water 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.919 and Powered Department Philadelphia should sign who the hell knows? Right, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:51.080 Peate Flannery, we are welcoming you today to my podcast, 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.599 and uh, you are many things. You're an actors, singer, writer. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.480 You're known as Meredith. Uh from Is that your name 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.039 on the office? Yeah, it was right, Meredith from the Office. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.320 No, I prefer Meredith the drunk from the office. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:13.360 You got okay, And you're touring with Jane Lynch in 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.159 a Swinging Little Christmas. She's got some great stories to 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:21.080 her waitressing days, her diner roots. Of course, because you 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.600 know that's what we grew up in in that part 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.360 of the country and her close Skilmore Girl's connection through 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.679 our friend rose Up. I'm thrilled to have her here 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.640 on Luke's Diner, the One and Only and I formerly 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:38.000 introducer Mss Kate Flannery. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Hold your applause, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.279 Hold your applause. All right, So you grew up Kate? 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.359 You did? You did? You grew up in the diner 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.920 culture of the seventies and eighties and nineties, right, and 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.599 what do you remember most about that ear in Philadelphia? 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.440 Did you box the counter refills, the coffee refills, the 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.080 late night food? What tell us about that? Because I 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.800 grew up in that same culture. I'm from that area. 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.000 Yeah, you know, I felt like it was something as 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.000 a kid, like being in high school. You could figure 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.520 it out, you know, you could figure out how to 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:11.640 get like, you. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:12.120 Could go it. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.040 It was it was like an affordable but it was 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:15.840 a culture. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.360 That's what we did. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.560 You know, I have to get we go for breakfast 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.840 like after practice, you know. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.760 Playing sports and stuff like. It was a treat. But 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.640 then it was also like your first sense of independence. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.200 You got to go to the diner. You know, nobody's 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.800 worried about you. You're just at the diner. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:33.080 Yeah, you know, like. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.720 You're at Manila's, like on Lanter Avenue, what's the big 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.840 or you're on the Black Horse Pike on the way 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.760 to the shore stopping at a diner. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.240 He eats her Harley Dawn. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.160 Which was like an old house that had like a 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.800 little you know, homemade I mean at the menus or 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.960 fourteen pages. You want to get chicken croquettes. Well maybe 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.760 it's as big as your face. I don't know, maybe 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.440 they're just small, but they're great. You know, get get breakfast, 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.440 Get a corn muffin, you know what I'm talking about, right, 0:07:59.480 --> 0:07:59.960 get some jail. 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.120 There are diners all the way down to the shore. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.560 Now South Jersey kids and Philadelphia kids. So the Philadelphia 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.080 kids would usually go to like the inner city kids 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.920 right in South Philadelphia back in the day with solid 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.679 Italian they go to wild Wood, they go to Atlanta 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:22.840 ylk City, Right, they. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.800 Still do they still do? They still do? 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:30.760 Yeah, yeah, still do. Right. And if you're from South Jersey, right, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.880 or you're from the main Line, whatever, you would go 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:44.680 to Ocean City, Cape May. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:46.880 Totally totally even Long Beach Islands, or Venor or Margate, Longport, right. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.160 You know, no, you know what I'm talking about. Ocean 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:51.199 City and Jay, not. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.720 Maryland to be right and Jay. Yeah, best beaches in 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.280 the world. There's nothing to compare. I mean, you know, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:06.960 got about walk, best food, best people, best salt water taffy, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:13.600 best pizza, best best rides. I'll take it any any day. Yes, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.680 but now, but now, so I go back. I hadn't 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.040 been back in a while. So I went back in 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.240 like twenty seventeen, and I hadn't been back in a while. 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.720 And we go to the beach. We go to Ocean City. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.839 I start walking onto the beach, or at least the trail, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.600 the sandy trail that leads to the beach, because we're 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.960 on the boardwalk, and we went down try to get 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.880 on the beach. Somebody there saying you gotta buy you 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.319 gotta buy a pass to get on the beach. Just 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:41.280 get the hell out of the way. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.439 So we just like a beach tag, I know, a 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:44.120 beach tag. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.480 We literally sat there and argued with her, like, what 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.640 are you talking about. You can't sell beach tags. This 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.960 is this is public this is public property. You can't 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.760 charge us to go on the beach, but they can, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.560 they do, they do. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.360 You can go, you can go before they checked the 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:05.880 beat bags. You can go after. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.360 You know, we had like our our you know, if 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:09.840 we had a lot of friends like we you know, 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.200 figure out our ways going to the boardwalk, like there's 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.440 ways of getting around it. But when they start coming 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.880 in a pack to check everybody on the beach, you 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.240 could act like you're asleep. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.720 That used to work not so much anymore. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.640 That is not not the Jersey way. I don't know 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.240 where they get this idea, but that's not the Jersey 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.679 I remember, you know, kidding me? 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.880 I know, I know. Actually in Ocean City it started 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.640 in seventy six. Yeah, it was brutal. I remember the 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.760 year it started. I don't. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.560 I don't remember caring as much better. Yeah, in Ocean 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:45.079 City it did. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.000 Can you believe that? Yeah? Brutal? 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.479 Huh. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.440 But you know everybody's got an angle. They're like, i'bout 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:54.000 work it out. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.000 Yeah all right. Well you said you're not a huge cook, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.840 But do you have a go to like cowboys steak 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.880 recipe something like that. What's a secret is it? Cowboys steaks? 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:06.160 About? 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:09.280 Tell me about it. 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:15.400 Well, it's about butter and beef and this amazing rub 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.480 that you can make yourself. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:18.320 Sounds dirty, but it's not. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.640 Uh yeah, it's it's half a cup of coffee beans, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:29.679 half cup pepper corns, just maybe a quarter cup sugar, 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.920 and then quarter pound, sorry, a quarter cup of kosher salt, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.520 and you put it in a pepper grinder and then 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:43.079 that becomes your that's your that's your special secret weapon. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.720 Like that's it. So you sear sear the steak. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.520 In butter on both sides in a pan, and then 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.200 you put it on the plate with this stuff and 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.120 just make sure the rub gets everywhere. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.760 And then you put in the oven and it's it's ridiculous. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.680 It is ridiculous. You could put the crappiest piece of 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.839 meat into this system and you're going to be in heaven. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.080 It is. It's a great little trick. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:11.359 Did you learn that at Kate Manalini's. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:10.200 I did not. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.880 My boyfriend, who's an NBC photographer, he taught me that 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.439 he cooks more than I do. We actually met on 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.439 the office and we've been together for nineteen years. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.880 We don't live together. We're happy. It's fantastic. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.400 Man I tell you that is smart. 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.760 But I used to work at Kate Madeleine Restaurant in 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.800 Beverly Hills. That's the job that I worked there for 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.439 seven and a half years on and off because I 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.200 was in New York doing a show for a little 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.400 bit during that time, but took a leave of absence 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.000 covered my shifts and then you know, the first season 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.559 of The Office, I you know, I still kept the 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.640 job because I was I was afraid we weren't going 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:47.040 to get a season season two pickups, so I didn't 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.000 want to start a new job. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:49.960 So I waited on a lot of famous people. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.360 And even though it was kind of a fancy restaurant, 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.120 my dad always called it the Diner because we. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:13:00.000 Had diner hours. We literally were there at five thirty 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.240 the morning breakfast ship you had just when you first 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.680 started the job, you had to work breakfast and it 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.760 was like five thirty. You know. The place works from like, 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.839 you know, like six to six to. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.320 Like eleven, and then you worked lunch and then they 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.040 would have a dinner and late night. 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:16.239 On the weekends. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.959 When I first started, they were there till four in 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.200 the morning, so you'd come in at eleven. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.240 And you'd work till four in the morning, and it 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:25.920 got pretty shady in Beverly Hills. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.679 At four o'clock in the morning, there was too much 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.360 like damage, so they kind of stopped that. It kind 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.920 of became a little dangerous, you know, so it went 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.200 back to two o'clock. So yeah, but still it was 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.200 it was. But the breakfast was world class and uh, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.000 you know, you could get a you could get diner 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.440 type stuff. You know, they had great lentil soup and 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:48.120 great bread and you know great, it's just like great basics. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:54.880 That's a fancy, fancy actor agent meeting place, producer actor 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.120 agent meeting place. It was like, there was that place 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.040 in Beverly Hills, Like, right, what was that little what 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.800 was that little place in Beverly Hills. Have you ever 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.320 been in that place? God name will come to me, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.839 But it's like it's just this small little place you 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.679 walk into and then it opens up a little bit. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.040 But it's like it's it's like we're all the power players. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.160 We well, Kate Madalini was a power player. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:15.559 Yeah. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:20.960 That was right across from bristein Gray Academy. So every 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.600 time I remember, we'd have to be there super early 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.040 the day that they would announce the Academy Awards. Because 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.400 when they would announce nominees, we'd have to be in 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.160 at four thirty because they would announce four thirty am. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:32.600 We'd go. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.800 They would make the announcement, and they'd walk a block 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.360 to our restaurant and they'd all drink Bloody Mary's and 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.320 have breakfast and you know, keep. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.000 Patting themselves on the back. It's fun, you know, it 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.440 was kind of fun. You felt like you were a 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:47.400 sort of part of history. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.520 If you worked to Oscar night, people would come in 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.360 and have their oscars on the table. 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.360 You know, right, good tippers? Were they good tippers in general? 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:54.720 Yeah? 0:14:54.840 --> 0:15:08.000 You know, sure, sure, sure. So I heard through the 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.040 grape find that you're a Gilmore fan and that you 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.080 actually know a lot of the casts, including Rose app 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.520 do play Gypsy. How far back do you two go? 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.480 I think I've known Rose. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.200 I mean I came to check out Second City in 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.960 nineteen eighty eight when my favorite aunt gave me a 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:22.960 ticket to check it out. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.240 She lived in Chicago and I just graduated. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:30.000 From from college and Rose was there, and we knew 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.480 each other a little bit in Chicago, like we liked 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.680 each other, but we weren't exactly in the same circles, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.480 even though we were both in the second city. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:37.680 She was a little higher up. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.640 In the food chain there when I started there, and 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.400 I was also at the Annoyance Theater, so I was 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.520 kind of double dipping with more than one place. And 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.320 then I think, you know, maybe a few years into 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.760 the office, we started to get I started to get 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.920 really close with her because we had so much in common. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.720 I always feel like she had good taste. I always 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.280 feel like she liked the things I liked. And she 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.280 also like she agreed with me with the people that 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:06.200 were douchebags. So I like that about her. Uh huh. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.400 Not everybody agrees about the douchebags, you know. So I 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.760 love that guy. I'm like, do you okay? Great? 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.880 I got turned up. Did you ever visit the set? 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:16.760 I did not. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:18.280 No, never came by. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:18.920 No. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.840 I knew alex Forstein too. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.960 I used to do shows with her at ACME, this 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.640 crazy Saturday night show, and then she did I had 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.320 a comedy act called the Lampshades that I did for years, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.920 and she did our show at the Aspen Comedy Festival 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.920 for a couple of characters, and so I knew Jackson. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.440 Okay, well, so yeah, I know a few people. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.920 And of course, like I had met Melissa a few 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.920 times at auditions. I used to see her, which she 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.000 mopped up the floor with all of us all the time. Anyway, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.720 even back then, and then Jay Lynch was on the 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.680 show and I met Kelly Bishop. I cornered her at 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.400 an airport lounge in Newark. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:56.960 I'm sure she loved that. 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.920 Tell us how special Melissa is because we were not 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:05.520 prepared for her characters and her performance at the ground 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.159 leaks when we went to see her as the cast 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.960 year I think it was the first season. Yeah, and 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.200 then she came out and she did like she had 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.960 four skits that she did that she wrote. I mean, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.720 we were, we were actually we needed to leave because 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.080 our sides hurt so much from laughing. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.680 She is so fearless, right. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.960 Oh my god, she understands how to control an audience, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.080 like she just keeps going. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.119 She's amazing, She's amazing. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.600 Eh, yeah, we were, we were blown away. That ain't 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.160 no accident. That career, that's not an accident. That's that's 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.680 just skill and talent and hard work, reparation. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.360 And right, absolutely, and I knew Lauren Graham a little 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.960 bit because we had a mutual friend in Sam Pancake. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:01.000 I think Sam did your Netflix. He was on work 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.600 during the netflik, Yeah, which. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.800 Of course Rose up due did two parts in the 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.760 Netflix era Gypsy, of course, as she did in the original, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:16.200 and then she was Birdie, the Kelly Bishop's maid. Spoke 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.160 a language that no one else knew but Rose. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.440 All right, Well, let's talk about that Luke's Diner. Yeah, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.480 since you grew up around diners, I grew up around diners, 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.959 remember Ponzios and Cherry Hill. Did you ever go to 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:31.480 I passed it? 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.320 I don't think I ever. 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.439 I just passed the Penrose Diner last week on like 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.440 South so right by the stadiums. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:38.920 Yeah. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.320 And I used to go to Aramo Diner sometimes because 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:42.960 I worked at a dinner theater my senior year of 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:43.520 high school. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.720 Right, do you think that kind of place still exists today? 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.240 These kinds of diners? Are they going? 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.399 It does? It does? But they're really they're really falling 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:52.120 by the wayside. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.600 They're just going to But you know what I love 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.679 about Luke's Diner is that Luke could be in a 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.040 bad mood and everybody knew it, but but they still 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:05.280 came back. And that is so Philly South Jersey. That's 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.520 so My dad under bar in Germantown and he served 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.320 food a little bit, although most of the guys would 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.040 have a chicken dinner, which just spent a couple of 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.240 hard boiled eggs because they wanted to keep drinking because 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.359 the food took up too much space, if you know. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.280 It was like an old band bar for sure. Great place, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.679 so great place, and my dad took you know what 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:22.240 I'm talking about. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.679 You know, you remember how people used to be. You 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.680 moved to California, and everybody's like they're doing yoga, they've 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.040 got the therapists, they're doing meditation, and they're balanced, they're 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.320 happy all the time. There's like this big emphasis on 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.520 being happy all the time in public appearance. That's not 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:37.600