1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Bob Show in the case against Prince Andrew, the Prince 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: to the Throne of England. Amazing. Take a listen right 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: now to our friends at CBS. Well, Prince Andrew has 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: reached a settlement with a woman who accused him of 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: sexually abusing her when she was a teenager. Virginia Dufray 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: brought the civil suit against the Duke of York. She 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: says Jeffrey Epstein trafficked her in the early two thousands 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: and Prince Andrew raped her several times as a miner. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: And a new statement, the Duke of York says he 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: regrets his association with the Epstein with Epstein and commends 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: the bravery of Miss Duffrey and other survivors. More on this, 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: let's bring in Jessica Levinson. She's a CBS News legal contributor. 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: I explained the significance of reaching a settlement in this lawsuit. 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Does this mean that Prince Andrew does not have to 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: claim guilt or innocence in this case? He's sort of 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: off the hook publicly, as it were, Well, I think 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: publicly he's very much on the hook because this has 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: already caused some great damage to his reputation, but damage 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: to his reputation is that all they can think about, 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: damage to the Prince's reputation when, according to this young 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: girl and millions of dollars to back it up, she 22 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: was under the law raped by Prince Andrew. A child 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: at that age cannot give consent. Take a listen to 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: our cut A seven A seven from Netflix Filthy Rich. 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, two thousand and 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: one in London at Gillen's townhouse. He knocked on the door. 27 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: He came inside Gillen's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea. 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: Ellen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She 29 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: goes to Prince Andrew how old do you think Virginia is? 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: And he said seventeen and she's like, oh, you're right, 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: and you know they've made a little joke about it. 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, my daughters aren't far from your age. 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, my daughter's a little bit younger than you. 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: We went out for the night club Tramp in London 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and he dances and he's profusely sweating over me and 36 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: it was disgusting. Well, it didn't end there, according to her, 37 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: And again with millions of dollars worked over it in 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours by Prince Andrew two. He's 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: young accuser. Take a listen to our cut a eight 40 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts listen. It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: and then a pat on the back. You've done a 42 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: really good job, like you know, thank you very much, 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: and here's two hundred dollars. You know, before you know it, 44 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm being went out to politicians, to academics and to 45 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: people that your royalty and people that you just you 46 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: would never think, like, how did you get into that 47 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: position of power in the first place if you're this disgusting, evil, 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: decrepit person on the inside when you hear her talking, 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: and you combine it with a multi million dollar payout? 50 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: What was it ten sixteen million? I'm not sure, but 51 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I know who does know. Charlie Lankson, female editor at 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Dailymail dot com. Charlie, how much is a settlement? Folve 53 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: million pounds we believe, which is around sixteen million dollars. 54 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: I think now a portion of that will go to 55 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: Virginia Geoffrey's charity, but the bulk of it will go 56 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: to her. With me an all star panel First of all, 57 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean it, see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank 58 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. Is this the end of the story. 60 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: I'd like to say yes, but probably not. You think 61 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: this is the first time Prince Andrew has had sex 62 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: with a young girl, do you? I'm not so sure 63 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: about that. Will others now come out of the woodwork 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Also with us, Jessica Pride, sex assault attorney with the 65 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Pride Law Firm. You can find her at Victim Lawyer 66 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalysts to the stars, joining 67 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: us out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: She's a star of a new Netflix hit, Bleeding Empire. 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Greg Scheffer, former Phoenix Police Department detective twenty two years 70 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: specializing and sex exploitation of children. Charlie Lankson. I didn't 71 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: think it would end this quickly, especially when Prince Andrew's 72 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: illegal team came out guns ablazing, claiming that the victim 73 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: in this case was what did he say, money grabbing 74 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: sex kitten? Who says sex kitten? I have her? That's 75 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: it's maybe Austen Powers or the Avengers. You remember that, 76 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one of them was a brit too, if 77 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: not all of them. So a sex kitten, a money 78 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: grubbing sex kitten. Was that what he said it was? 79 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: And to be completely honest, I was surprised to see 80 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: how quickly this case came to an end, because I 81 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: really did think that Virginia was going to fight for 82 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: her day in court. However, I think that it's come 83 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: to an end this quickly for a number of reasons. 84 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: First and foremost, Andrew was under enormous pressure from the 85 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: Palace to bring this to a close before the Queen's 86 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: Platinum Jubilee. At the rate that it was going, this 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: was going to drag out as a dark cloud over 88 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: all of those celebrations this spring. Additionally, I think it 89 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: was very clear that if Andrew was going to testify 90 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: in front of a jury, it was not going to 91 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: be a good thing for him. We all saw what 92 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: happened when he did that twenty nineteen interview where he 93 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: denied that he was able to sweat where he was 94 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: talking about travel clothes, and I think had he got 95 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: up in front of a jury, it could have potentially 96 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: been even more embarrassing for him and brought even more 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: scandal on the royal family, which is not something that 98 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: they need right now. Yes, he is terrible on camera, terrible, 99 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: would be terrible under oath. Not likable in the least, 100 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: not likable at all. People like Prince William, people liked Diana, 101 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: people like Eugenie and Beatrice, or at least I think 102 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: they do. There's something about Andrew and Charles is just reptilian. 103 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: There's just something about them. I wouldn't be surprised at 104 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: all if they unzipped their face and there was a 105 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: big lizard under there. Not surprised at all. Now, Hey, Jackie, 106 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: while I play cut one from Jackie Long Channel for News, 107 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: I want you to dig up Andrew and that horrible 108 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: they call. I want a train wreck interview. Who told 109 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: him to do that was such a bad idea? I 110 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: can tell you this is why he settled, because he's 111 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: terrible under pressure. But first of I'll take a list, 112 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: an arrow cut one Jacque Long. I have no recollection 113 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: of ever meeting this lady, Virginia Giffrey as a woman. 114 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew has always insisted he did not know. I 115 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. He is 116 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: consistently denied sexually abusing her when she was under eighteen. Today, 117 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: in a document submitted to an American court, it was 118 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: revealed the Duke of York has reached an out of 119 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: court settlement with miss Giffrey, just weeks before he was 120 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: due to answer questions under oath in her civil case 121 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: against him. She had always claimed she was forced to 122 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: have sex with the Duke by the billionaire Jeffrey Epstein 123 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Gallaine Maxwell. The sum of money involved 124 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: in the settlement was not disclosed, and there was no 125 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: admission of any wrongdoing. Right did he have to admit 126 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: he did it? He paid sixteen million dollars and I 127 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: can gear and damn tee you mommy is footing that bill. 128 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Queen of England, who I love, 129 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: love her. The fury at Andrew right now for forcing 130 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: the Queen age ninety five to bail on him out 131 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: yet again with me and all star panelists I mentioned before, 132 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: Jessica probably sex assault lawyer at the Pride Firm. You know, Jessica, 133 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: You've tried plenty of cases, as have I. And the 134 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: long story short is it always comes down to the wire. 135 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: When the defendant sees the jurors filing into the courtroom, 136 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: sixty two one hundred of them, and you're about to 137 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: strike that jury. Suddenly they start sweating, they have to 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, and they enter a plee. That's 139 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: what happens. And here it is just a few days 140 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: before Andrew has to sit down under oath and answer questions. 141 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: You got a settlement? Why is it always that way? 142 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: Are they trying to play a game of chicken with 143 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: each other? He's gonna blink first. I think they thought, 144 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: maybe that the New York Court wasn't going to force 145 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: they were going to dismiss the case. And he was hoping, 146 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: you'd get out of a technicality, his lawyers would be 147 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: able to save him, and they weren't able to. And 148 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: because he was forced to actually have to sit for 149 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: a deposition. You saw it in the interview. He's terrible. 150 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: I would have loved to have had him across the 151 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: table asking him questions in a deposition. Oh, I couldn't 152 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: wait until his videotape deposition leaked, which of course it would. 153 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: But what is it? Why do people wait till the 154 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: last minute? Oh? Oh, wait a minute, you said something 155 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: really about that jump in. Well, my husband's a judge, 156 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: and whenever he tells me he's a civil court judge, 157 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: oh I started a trial tomorrow. I'm always like, no, 158 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna settle. It's gonna settle. It always does. We 159 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: talk about it over the dinner dinner table. The reasons 160 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: are complex, but I love your phrase a game of chicken. 161 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: It's a game of chicken. Which side is going to 162 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: win out, who's going to have to fag her settlement? 163 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: And in terms of Prince Andrew, this is a game 164 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: of chicken played out on an international stage. I mean 165 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: you have Virginia Roberts Jeffries, who was once a victim, 166 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: but she is fierce, she is to be just a 167 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: force to be reckoned with. And you have Prince Andrew, 168 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: who do you know this is not a clinical term, 169 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: but he's a buffoon. I hate to say it. I've 170 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: been trying to analyze it for the last three hours 171 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: in preparation for this show. I listened to his interview 172 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: again and I'm thinking, what is wrong with him? If 173 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: he were in my office and a psychoanalyst, how would 174 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: how would I diagnose him? I mean, there's a sort 175 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: of entire, a spoiled brat borrow in the silver spin 176 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: in his mouth. Charlie Langston, did you just hear everything 177 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Meshels Marshall said, and Jessica pride because Jessica 178 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: says something very interesting now that you aren't interesting to 179 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Bethany because you always are. But Charlie, he was surprised 180 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: a US court didn't throw Virginia's case out. Virginia gr 181 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: phrase case. We don't care if he's the Prince of England. 182 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: There would be h double l to pay if a 183 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: judge here in the States throw that case out with 184 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: the US victim. No way was that going to happen. 185 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: There was absolutely no where it was going to happen. 186 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: And I think when he made that kind of desperate 187 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: attempt to have the case thrown out, I don't believe 188 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: that anyone really expected a judge to go through with it. 189 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: But you know, on the one hand, we do have 190 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: to appreciate that his legal team was going to do 191 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: everything that they possibly could in order to try and 192 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: prove that Virginia is lying. Now, I think the timing 193 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: of this kind of settlement is very interesting, and I 194 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: think the reason that it's happened when it has is 195 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: because the Palace aka the Queen, really put her foot 196 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: down and said, there is absolutely no way that you 197 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: can take part in this deposition. We do not know 198 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: what they are going to ask you. They have every 199 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: right to ask you all manner of personal questions about 200 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: your sex life, about what your body looks like when 201 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: you're naked, all of this kind of Okay, gusta, wait 202 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: a minute, why did you put that in my head? 203 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: I've gone through this whole case without thinking about Prince 204 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: Andrew naked, and now you just put that in my 205 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: head and I've saw it. It's there forever ingrained in 206 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: my brain because of you. Charlie Langston Crime Stories with 207 00:12:52,760 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Greg Scheffer, former Phoenix Police Department detective twenty 208 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: two years specializing in exactly this kind of case. Greg, 209 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: the thing is, when a person is charged with a crime, 210 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: they can take the Fifth Amendment. They don't have to 211 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: testify or even give any statement at all that could 212 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: hurt themselves. But this was a civil case and there 213 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: is not going to be a criminal case because the 214 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: statute of limitations has passed, so he cannot possibly take 215 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment. They could ask Prince Andrew everything from 216 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: does he wear a G string? To boxers? They could 217 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: ask him is he into nipple clips or girls dressing 218 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: up like schoolgirls? They could ask him anything, and he 219 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: would sit there on the hot seat wondering what do 220 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: they know? What do they know? Yeahl was there during 221 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: those parties and events, and if he lied on any 222 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: of these questions, it would be perjury because he'd be 223 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: under oath. Think about it, Greg Scheffer, Yeah, that's well. 224 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: I think that's probably why the Queen put the pressure 225 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: on him. Once they realized the case was going to 226 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: go forward. They're like, this has to stop. Man, you're 227 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: not kidding. They would get into his history, and they 228 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: could get in you know, when they're up in that 229 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: upper echelon royalty and billionaires, you know, they get whatever 230 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: they want. They're in a position to they have all 231 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: their wants are met, and so he has been living 232 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: this lifestyle for decades and so they didn't want that 233 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: all to come out in a deposition, which it would have, 234 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: and he's a train wreck. That deposition would have been 235 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: a you know, a lawyer's dream. Oh a field day, 236 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: a field day, Oh, how I would love to question him. 237 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: I could see myself running up and down a football 238 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: field with stacks of questions in my hands. Oh just 239 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: I would be thrilled across him and the other thing. Charlie, 240 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: So did you hear what Greg shefferd just said. As royalty, 241 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: all of his needs were met, all of his wants 242 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: were met. It's what Sheffer said. In the past few weeks, 243 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: more and more about Andrew has been coming out, including 244 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: how he braided at least one maid, someone on the 245 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: domestic staff at the palace because she miss placed a 246 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: pyramid a little stuffed toys that sit on his bed stuffies. 247 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't mean she lost him. She put one up 248 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: there out of order. They have to sit in a 249 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: certain way. And they even had a little diagram for 250 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: the maid as to where to put the teddy and 251 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: where to put the giraffe. Seriously, yeah, this is a 252 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: grown man. Well, and I think the thing is is 253 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: that you know the way that the royal family works. 254 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,479 Speaker 1: If you always have the oldest child of a generation 255 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: who is going to sit on the throat, you've got 256 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: the air and the spare exactly. And the thing is 257 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: is that the spare is always kind of treated with 258 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: kid gloves, because there is always this resentment that builds 259 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: up between the air and the spare. We've also seen 260 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: it with Prince Harry. Now, Prince Harry has obviously behaved right. 261 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Harry has behaved in a very different way. But Harry 262 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: really has thrown his toys out of the pram. Every 263 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: time I see Harry giving a statement, I put him 264 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: on mute because it's going to be more poor, poor, 265 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: pitiful me in my sixteen million dollars Montecito mansion. I 266 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: have it so bad, seriously, shut up, go get a job. Stop. 267 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: It's exactly the same. It's exactly the same with Prince Andrew. 268 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: You know, what we've seen is that he has been 269 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: treated so delicately because you know, Lord forbids that they 270 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: do anything to cause him any more damage than being 271 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: the spare Air might already have done. And this has 272 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: basically created a scenario where Andrew felt as though he 273 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: did not have to wait a minute. Charlie Langston calling pot, 274 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: calling the kettle black, Wait a minute. The other one 275 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: is Edward correct Edward, yes, yes, he and his wife Sophie, 276 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: they actually have jobs, do they not. They're normal and 277 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: you never hear them whining and carrying on. And apparently 278 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: Sophie has been a huge comfort to the Queen in 279 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: her later years. You never hear scandal running around, nothing 280 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: like that, but I do wid about this. Oh sorry, Bethanye, 281 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: could we stop? You? Can we stop her? No way? 282 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Go ahead? And ye wait. And then there's the daughter, 283 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: is it Mark? And you never hear anything bad about her. 284 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: She's just you know, they go to work. They work 285 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: like three hundred plus engagements a year, if not more. 286 00:17:53,840 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: That's working every day, nose to the grindstone. Their reputation pristaine. 287 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: So those two royals have turned out beautifully and I'm 288 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: sure are a big inspiration to the British people. Okay, 289 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: doctor beth at Marshall jumping, I can't wait to hear this. Okay. Well, 290 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: just from a family psychology perspective, in most families, and 291 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: research supports this, there is at least one bad egg, 292 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: one person who's pathological, and usually what happens is that 293 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: they're under under employed, they're entitled, and they almost always 294 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: get the elderly parents to support their life. So whether 295 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: it's in a royal setting or you know, in Atlanta, 296 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: Georgia or some small town in the Midwest. You know, 297 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: think about all the families. You know, there's always a 298 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: bad egg, and there's always someone stopping off the parents. 299 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: You know. I've got two people in the studio right 300 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: now and they're both shaking their heads. Yes, you're can 301 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: hear what we're saying. Yeah, everybody's shaking their heads. Yes, 302 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: there's always one rotten apple and all three stuffies. I 303 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about that, all the stuffed animals on 304 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: his bed. When you look for your listeners, when they 305 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: have a sort of a crazy person, an entitled person, 306 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: someone who's a buffoon or sort of a Prince Andrew 307 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: in their life, you know, you think about what a 308 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: four or five or six year old is like and 309 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: you superimpose that into the adult brain. And that is 310 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: the basis of psychopathology character pathology. So adults who are 311 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: sort of narcissistic, borderline have personality disorders. They are always 312 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: sort of colored with the traits of infancy and childhood. 313 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised if he's entitled five year olds are, 314 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: or that he has stuffies on his bed. Six year 315 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: olds want that, or that he thought that the world 316 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: was his candy store and he could just have sex 317 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: with Virginia as many times as he wanted, because he's 318 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: an entitled little five year old. Not to let him 319 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: off the hook as an adult, but impulsivity, wanting gratification, 320 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: all these character traits are at the core of adults 321 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: who are pathological. I think are heard great Shepherd jumping 322 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: in go ahead, well kind of piggyback on that. When 323 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: I was dealing with investigations, I would you would see 324 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: the bad apple in every family, and it always seems 325 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: like the parents that was I'm not going to say favorite, 326 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: but they would cater to that bad apple. You know, 327 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: that bad apple could do no wrong, or they'd protect 328 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: that child more than the other children. And I don't 329 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: know it's because they knew that that person couldn't survive 330 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: on their own and they needed to help and the 331 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: other kids were going to be or were stronger or better. 332 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: But you always seem like the parents were enabling or 333 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: supporting that bad apple. And I think in the parents mind, Greg, 334 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: I believe they think that they're helping they're bad apple, 335 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: They're helping them avoid drama or conflict in their lives 336 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: because they innately know that the bad apple can't handle 337 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: it and will fail or end up in GeV jail 338 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: at the worst. Guys. We heard earlier, and I believe 339 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: it was Jessica probably talking about how much she would 340 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: love to have Prince Andrew on cross examination under oath. 341 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why now take 342 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: a listen to this BBC interview by Emily Maitlis with 343 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: Prince andrews arc at eight ten. How did you first 344 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: become friends? How did you meet? Well? I met through 345 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: his girlfriend back in nineteen ninety nine, who and I'd 346 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: known her since she was at university in the UK. 347 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: And it would be to some extent to stretch to 348 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: say that as it were, we were close friends. When 349 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: we were friends because of other people, and I had 350 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity to go to the United States, 351 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: but I didn't have much time with him. I suppose 352 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: I saw him once or twice a year, perhaps maybe 353 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: massive number three times a year. And this is after 354 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: Epstein is charged with prostitution and abusing minors in Flora. 355 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: He continues his relationship with him, Andrew does, and when 356 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: he's saying he met Epstein through a friend, he's talking 357 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: about Gilaine Maxwell. I think i'd be bragging about that either. 358 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: But wait a minute, wait a minute, take a listen 359 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: to Arkat a fourteen because during that time, those few days, 360 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: witnesses say they saw many young girls coming and going 361 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: at the time, there is video footage of Epstein accompanied 362 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: by young girls. And you were there staying in his 363 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: house catching up with friends. I never I mean a minute. 364 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: If they were, then I wasn't a party to any 365 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: of that. I never saw them. I mean, you have 366 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: to have to understand that his house. I described it 367 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: more as as as almost as a railway station, if 368 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in the sense that there 369 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: were people coming in and out of that house all 370 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: the time. What they were doing and why they were 371 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: there I had nothing to do with. So I'm afraid 372 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: I can't make any comment on that because I really 373 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, right there, Jessica Pride, who would not 374 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: be suspicious and concerned with so much to lose your 375 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: royalty for Pete's sake. You are an heir to the 376 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: British throne, and you're in a guy's home and you 377 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: see little girls going in and out and in and out, 378 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: as he said, like a railway station, and you never 379 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: wonder why, Yeah, I called bullet. That's what is beautiful 380 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: about the civil process is there's so much more leeway 381 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: than in a criminal case to do discovery and look 382 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: for evidence, finding out the means of every person that 383 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: was in the house when he was there, getting receipts 384 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: for any of his travel expenses, trying to really pin 385 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: down getting his calendar. We would be able to subpoena 386 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: all of those things, ask him all of those things 387 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: in deposition, ask him about every person he saw at 388 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: a party. And so the exposure and the risk of 389 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: exposure not only to him, to the royal family, but 390 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: to other men in power that we know were associates 391 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein, it was too great, and that's why 392 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: he had to settle. People don't realize that ninety nine 393 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: percent of civil cases settle and actually don't go to trial. 394 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Everybody you know talks about, oh, we wanted to see 395 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: him in court, but the odds of it actually going 396 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: to a jury were really low. And you know, it's 397 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: helpful not only for the plainiffs but also for the 398 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: defendant because you're weighing both risks. When she gives it 399 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: over to a jury, she would be hoping that twelve 400 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: jurors got it right. This place. She got to have 401 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: the power, and she got to make a decision and 402 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: choose to settle this case. And I don't know any 403 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: innocent party who's ever paid sixteen million dollars six stay 404 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: million dollars. Well again, I think I why take a 405 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: listen to Erica at a sixteen the BBC. I have 406 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: no recollection of ever meeting her. I'm almost, in fact, 407 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm convinced that I was never in tramps with her. 408 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: There are a number of things that are wrong with 409 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: that story, one of which is that is that I 410 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: don't know where the bar isn't in tramps. I don't drink. 411 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever bought a drink in tramp 412 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: whenever I was there. Do you remember dancing at tramp? No, 413 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: that couldn't have happened because the date that there's being suggested, 414 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: I was at home with the children. Okay, if you 415 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: will recall Charlie Lankson from dailymail dot com, neither of 416 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: his children supported that claim. No, And you know, I 417 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: think there were so many issues with that interview that 418 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: he did, with the excuses that he made, and I 419 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: think you know the statement that he issued when they 420 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: were kind of revealing that they had decided to settle 421 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: out of court. The one good thing about that statement 422 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: is that it was the first time that he has 423 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: ever really acknowledged that his relationship with Epstein was unacceptable. 424 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: And it's also the first time that he's ever acknowledged 425 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: that Epstein sex traffic and abused women. It's the first 426 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: time that he's ever shown any sympathy whatsoever towards Virginia 427 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: and towards all of Epstein's other victims. And I think 428 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: that that is a very interesting kind of which for Andrew, 429 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: because for so long he denied that he knew about 430 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: any wrongdoing. He denied that he had any knowledge that 431 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Epstein was bringing women into his apartment, into his home, 432 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: and this statement, although it was not a confession of guilt, 433 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: it was about as close as we have ever come 434 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: to Andrew admitting that he knew that Epstein was doing 435 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: terrible things and that Epstein was victimizing these these women, 436 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: these young girls, during the time that Andrew was friends 437 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: with him. I fully believe the theory that the reason 438 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: Andrew hung out with Epstein is for money that Epstein 439 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: billed him out when Andrew was in need of money, 440 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: and that he would keep going back to the trough, 441 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: so to speak. I think this is one of my 442 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: favorite portions of Sam. One of my favorite statements. Andrew said, 443 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut seventeen the BBC. She 444 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: was very specific about that night. She described dancing with 445 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: you and you profusely sweating, and that she went on 446 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: to have possibly a slight problem was with the sweating 447 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: because I have a peculiar medical condition, which is that 448 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at the time, 449 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: and that was I wishing. Yes, I didn't sweat at 450 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: the time, because I had suffered what I would describe 451 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falcons War when 452 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: I was shot at, and I simply it was it 453 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: was almost impossible for me to sweat. And it's only 454 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: because I have done a number of things in the 455 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: recent past that I'm starting to be able to do 456 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: that again. So I'm afraid to say that that that 457 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't 458 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: do it. So therefore, I mean, Nancy, can I jump 459 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: in about that one? Talk about a load of crap? 460 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean stinking Paul, it's painful. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, 461 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: well he actually you know, he cites being in the 462 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: Falcons War, so he kind of working in his war 463 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: up as a day hero who cannot sweat. It was 464 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: a great deflection. But um, here's my second favorite cut. 465 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: Twenty one plays a twenty one. So why would somebody 466 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: have put in another hand? You think it is you 467 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: next to her in the photo, but it's definitely mean 468 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: that's a picture of me. It's not a picture of 469 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London 470 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: because when I would go out, when I go out 471 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: in London, I wear a suit and a tie. That's 472 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: what I would just grabe as. Those are my traveling 473 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: clothes if I'm going to go, if I'm going overseas. 474 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: So there's a I've got plenty of photographs of me 475 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: a dressed in those sorts of that sort of kit. 476 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: But not there to doctor Bethany Marshaw to suggest to 477 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: a jury that you have a different set of clothes 478 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: just to travel in. How offputting is that to people 479 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: that are living month to month? I know it's so 480 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: tone deaf. I mean, he really is in his own world, 481 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: really walled off in his own castle. But it shows 482 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: a profound lack of empathy. And don't you think that 483 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: would go hand in hand with being a sex predator. 484 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it shouldn't surprise us at all, And you don't, Nancy, 485 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: when little kids lie, you know how they lie in 486 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: really obvious ways. You know, oh, Mom, I didn't eat 487 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: that cookie, but the cookie is. You know that the 488 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: chocolate is dripping off the corner of their mouths. You know, 489 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: Andrew kind of life in that way, which goes back 490 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: to my original theory that he's really kind of childlike 491 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: in his personality disorder. He doesn't he doesn't see in 492 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: us what we see in him, which is what we 493 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: see in disturbed adults. They do not know how they 494 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: come across to the people around them. They are tone deaf. 495 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Future Word Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Charlie Lanks and 496 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: joining us from Daily Mail. Charlie. How critical was a 497 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: single photo in the process that ends in a sixty 498 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: million dollars settlement paid by Prince Andrew, the Prince of Wales, 499 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: to Virginia Drefrey. I mean, the photograph was essential because 500 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: it was really the only evidence that she had to 501 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: prove that she had been with Prince Andrew, and that 502 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: she had been with Prince Andrew in gui Layne Maxwell's house. 503 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: This was the only photograph that we've ever seen of 504 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: the two of them together, and that's why so much 505 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: attention was paid. You know, in any normal kind of 506 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: court case, I think to kind of spend years of 507 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: time going over and over whether a photograph is legitimate, 508 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: whether it's been edited. That's not something that you would 509 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: really see happen. But this photograph was really the only 510 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: thing that Virginia had that was physical proof that she 511 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: had been with Prince Andrew in Gilaye Maxwell's house. Now, 512 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: all of this talk about traveling clothes and on and 513 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: so forth, I just think it's totally ludicrous. And the 514 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: way that I kind of interpreted that as a member 515 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: of the public is here is someone desperately trying to 516 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: remove this photo from being such a big piece of 517 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: key interest because he knew that if this photo was 518 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: ever proven to be legitimate, or if this photo was 519 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: ever kind of proven to be falsely edited, that would 520 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: sway the case one way or another. Now Daily Mail 521 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: actually got an exclusive email exchange between Gilayne Maxwell and 522 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: her lawyer Alan Dershwitz, in which he asked her does 523 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: this photo seem real to you? You are in the background, 524 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: and she replied and said it appears real to me. 525 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: I think it is. And you know, obviously this email 526 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: exchange has only come to light since we've heard that 527 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: the court case will be settled, But I think that 528 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: would have been a huge bombshell for Prince Andrew's case. 529 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: I think that could have really threatened to destroy any 530 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: hope he had of proving that this photo was not legitimate. 531 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: And the only way that could have been brought into 532 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: evidence at trial is to have Delaine Maxwell take the stand, 533 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: which could be done under the law, and if she 534 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: refused to testify or lied about it, what she said 535 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: in the email to Dershowitz would have been brought in 536 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: as a quote inconsistent statement, so that would have come 537 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: into evidence because she is a principal, she is in 538 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: the picture. Take a listen to what Andrew says about 539 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: the photo and aricat eight nineteen BBC. Do you recognize yourself? 540 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: And it is pretty difficult not to recognize yourself. Your 541 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: friend suggested that the photo is fake. I think it's 542 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: from the investigations that we've done. You can't prove whether 543 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: or not that photograph is faked or not because it 544 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph, so 545 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to be able to prove it. But 546 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: I don't remember that photograph ever being taken. But it's 547 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: possible that it was you. That's me, but whether that's 548 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: my hand or whether that's the position, but I don't. 549 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: I have simply no recollection of a photograph ever being taken. 550 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: So Greg Cheffer or he says it's me, but I'm 551 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: not convinced it's my hand. It's it's not a hard 552 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: question if that's not you in that photograph and it 553 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen, you just know that photograph never happened. I 554 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: wasn't there with her. But obviously he danced around it 555 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: because you know he's stalling for time to come up 556 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: with a good response to that question, and then you 557 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: know his semi denial of a photograph of a photograph. 558 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 1: It's all how those type of predators dance around questions 559 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: and try to w nationalized things and distract from the truth. 560 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: And I just think that he's lived in a world 561 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: of entitlement and so he's not used to get being 562 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: called out on the carpet, and he's used together. That's 563 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: why when he lies, you can prove to lie right away, 564 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: because I think his entire life he's been able to 565 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: get away with it. No one's ever called him on it. 566 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: And this finally the Queen dropped the hammer on him 567 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: and took away you basically took away his life. And 568 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: that's when he's finally come to terms with everything, and 569 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: that's why the settlement happened. Charlie Linkston joining us from 570 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. He's been on a story from the very 571 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: very beginning. Just before the settlement is announced, there was 572 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: a flurry of knees regarding the photo, that the original 573 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: was quote lost, that Virginatufre I couldn't find the original. 574 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: What's the truth? Did the photo exist in its original 575 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: state or not? I mean, I think the photo absolutely 576 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: existed in its original state at some point. And if 577 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: Elaine Maxwell herself was saying, oh, yes, this looks real, 578 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, she might not remember the photo being taken specifically. 579 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't think I can remember photos of myself that 580 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: were taken ten plus years ago. But what Delaye's kind 581 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: of email suggests is that she might not remember the 582 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: photo being taken specifically, but that means that she likely 583 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: remembers the time when she was in her home in 584 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: London with Andrew and with Virginia, and therefore this kind 585 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: of scenario that we see in the photo likely happened, 586 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: possibly on more than one occasion. So I do believe 587 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: that the photo exists in its original form somewhere. But 588 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: once again, I you know, if someone said to me, 589 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: could you dig up this old photo that was taken 590 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: a view as a baby, I don't think I would 591 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: be able to find it. You know, photos, unfortunately, back 592 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: in those days before there were digital copies of them, 593 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: they do get lost, and they go missing, and they 594 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: get thrown away. There's any number of reasons. But would 595 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: you throw away a picture of you with a prince? Well, 596 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think you know. I can't speak to 597 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: Virginia's state of mind. I mean, am I convinced it 598 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: was lost? I think that may have been acclaimed. Another 599 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: question I have is how is he who had to 600 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: sell his Verbia Chalis for eighteen million pounds, how is 601 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: he footing the bill for this? Because he still owed 602 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: a lot of money on that Chalis Well, I personally 603 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: think there's no question that the Queen is helping out now. 604 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: When Prince Andrew lost all of his royal titles, when 605 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: he lost all of his military titles, the Palace said, 606 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew will need to fight this case as a 607 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: private citizen. But what we need to remember is that 608 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: him being a private citizen is still being the son 609 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: of the Queen, who is a very wealthy lady. And 610 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: I think that the Queen would have done and paid 611 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: anything to make this case go away before it reached 612 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: the stage where he was having to sit down for 613 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: a deposition, and before weren't reached the stage where he 614 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: was possibly going to have to testify in front of 615 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: a court of law. Those things would have been so 616 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: embarrassing and shameful and scandalous for the royal family that 617 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: any cost at that point to the Queen is worthwhile 618 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: in order to prevent those from happening. Was he married 619 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: to forget at the time of this allegation, he I, 620 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: You know, I actually don't know that off the top 621 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: of my head, but I do believe that he. You know, 622 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: they were planning on calling Fergie as a witness, and 623 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: you know there was also the possibility that they were 624 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: going to call Eugenie and Beatrice as witnesses, and Virginia's 625 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: euphrase lawyer also at one point said that that he 626 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: may well call Meghan Markle as a witness. And I 627 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: think that these things may well have been said in 628 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: order to scare Andrew into a settlement. But can you 629 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: imagine the embarrassment that would have happened if Meghan Markle 630 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: had been called the witness and had been asked to 631 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: talk about all of the awful things that she may 632 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: have witnessed during her time as a royal. Similarly, if 633 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: Sarah Ferguson had been called as a witness, she has 634 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: always been one of the most scandalous members of the 635 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: royal family, and that could have brought such enormous embarrassment 636 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: on the monarchy. And you know, I really do think 637 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: even beyond Prince Andrew's testimony, there was so much potential 638 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: for more controversy and more scandal to come out that 639 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: the royal family just couldn't afford to have that happen. 640 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: To your daughter Bethany Marshall joining us out of Beverly Hills, 641 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: the fact that in mini minds, this is an admission 642 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: of guilt on the behalf of Prince Andrew to under 643 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: age sex, which is rape, statutory rape in many jurisdictions. 644 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: The effect of dragging this out for so long? What 645 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: effect does that have on rape victims? Nobody is outright 646 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: saying there weren't rape, But when you have sex with 647 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: a minor who under the law cannot consent, that's why 648 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: my children who are fourteen can't go buy a car, 649 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: they can't buy liquor or cigarettes, they can't in her 650 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: contract to buy a house or were a full date 651 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: because they are children under the law. What effect it's 652 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: dragging this out all of this time have on her? 653 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts and Giffrey Well, I think that it could 654 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: actually be helpful, believe it or not, not only her, 655 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: but other victims, because think about it, victims of rape 656 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: and sexual abuse experience a huge power differential between them 657 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: and the perpetrator. But now Virginia Giuffray has her own attorney, 658 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: she has her own team, she has public support behind her. 659 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's a new sheriff in town who has power. 660 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: Now the victim. The power dynamic has been reversed, and 661 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: the power dynamic that has been reversed is with one 662 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: of the most powerful men on the face of the planet, 663 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: a member of the Royal Party. So think about the 664 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: impact on the public. Imagine you are working in a 665 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: grocery store as a checker. You're underage, and your manager 666 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: or the store owner comes and rapes you, but you 667 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: don't report it because you're afraid of losing your job, 668 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: and the power differential haunts you for the rest of 669 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: your life. But you read about this case and you 670 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: learn that one little girl has toppled a prince, and 671 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: you think, ah uh, maybe I could do it too, 672 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: maybe I could have power in this life, and it 673 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of galvanizes you to begin to take action on 674 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: your own behalf. One other point, Nancy, the sixteen million dollars, 675 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: I think it's twelve million dollars sixteen million pounds for 676 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 1: those who think that this is a lot of money, 677 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: not only to put it in context of the enormous 678 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: wealth of the royal family, but there is a reverberating 679 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: negative affect of sexual abuse. When a woman is raped, 680 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: it will affect her children, It will affect her children's children, 681 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: it will affect her cousins, her hands, her uncles, her marriage, 682 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: so the reimbursement is not only to her, it's towards 683 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: those for whom there's a negative, cascading set of affects. 684 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: So you've multiplied out or divided out over all the 685 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: people who have been affected by this. It's not so 686 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: big a settlement, Nancy, doctor Bethany I agree and disagree. 687 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: Victims of violent crime, almost universally, would tell you no 688 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: amount of money can make up for what has happened 689 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: to them, and if they could swap out, they would 690 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: give anything not to have been a victim of violent crime. 691 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: There are three women in the studio here right now 692 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 1: with me. One and four women have been the victim 693 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: of a sex assault of some nature. What would this 694 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: woman's life have been like had she not been sex molested? 695 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,479 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime's story, signing off, good Bye friend,