1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's not over yet for 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: the allegedly. 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Horrific and misogynist Tate brothers. As of tonight, a former 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: alt right influencer named Lauren Southern is accusing Andrew Tate 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: of sex assault. I wish you'll luck. I wish you luck, 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: Lauren Southern, because you're not the first to allege it. 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Yet somehow, miraculously they're still walking free. I'm Nancy Grace. 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: A former YouTuber Lauren Southern accused the quote Manisphere influencer 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: and alleged rapist Andrew Tate of sex assault. She's written 11 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: a memoir called This Is Not and in it, she 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: says Tate assaulted her after they met when she was 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: just twenty two years old. Now she's released several chapters 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: of her book and it's on substack, and she says 15 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: she released them because they quote were not written with 16 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: the intention of profiting off the incident. Now, in the 17 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: excerpts from her memoir, she describes traveling to Romania with 18 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 2: the British white supremacist oh Tommy Robinson to pitch Tate 19 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: and his hinch person brother Tristan to invest in their 20 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: right wing media startup. Now, at first, she says, she 21 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: and Andrew Tate went out to dinner and he was 22 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: flirtatious and charming her words, not mine, because he looks 23 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: like the devil to me. I don't know how anybody 24 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 2: could think he was flirtatious and charming. But that said, 25 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: that's just me. Then she says things started to sing 26 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: quote off. Now, listen, I've written it in books. I've 27 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: had experts tell you a million times when something seems off, 28 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: get the h E, double l out leave. She said, 29 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: things seemed off. Now, these are allegations made in a memoir. 30 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: These have not been proven in a court of law. 31 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: So Tate again is innocent until proven guilty. I don't 32 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: know why they let them back in the country. That's 33 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: what I don't know. That said on with Southern, she says. 34 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: The Tates, that's both of them, invited her back to 35 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: their compound. 36 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: Red Flag, Red Flag. 37 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: Don't go in a compound, okay, don't. It's bad enough 38 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: to go to the guy's apartment, which last I compound 39 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: with fences and locks, no, to discuss the possible investment. 40 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: But instead they go to a nightclub, where after one 41 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: cocktail and a shot, she threw up ding ding ding. 42 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: You've had something slipped in your drink. But of course, 43 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: how should she know that, she says, and dreue Te 44 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: then picked her up, as in physically picked her up, 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: put her in a car, and took her back to 46 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: her own hotel room, where he kissed her and she 47 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: told him she wanted to go to sleep. She writes, 48 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: I was extraordinarily tired. He wanted to go further. I 49 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: guess that means sexually. I said no multiple times and 50 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: tried to pull his hands off me. 51 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: She says. 52 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: She attempted to fight back, he put his arm around 53 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: her neck and strangled her unconscious. She got enough consciousness 54 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: back to pull out his arms. He strangled her again. 55 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: She then says, quote, I prefer not to share the rest. 56 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: It's pretty obvious. What more do we know about the 57 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: infamous Tate brothers and when, if ever, will they be stopped? 58 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: The online influencer Andrew Tate, with literally millions of followers 59 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 2: Go Figure, was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued 60 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 2: by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother 61 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression, 62 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: that's what they call it in the UK, in a 63 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen. 64 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out 65 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going 66 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court. 67 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: They darn well better if they want to keep relations 68 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women, 69 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate 70 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason, 71 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had 72 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: to turned to crowd funding to cover their legal costs. 73 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: The four female victims handed over their evidence about the 74 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: horrific acts of violence they say they endured and just waited, 75 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: But time passes and they were told the UK authorities 76 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget Tit is charged 77 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: in a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming 78 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: a criminal gang to sexually exploit women. Why does this 79 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: guy have millions of men followers? 80 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Freaks? How did the whole thing begin? 81 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: Possibly the most misogynistic person I have ever encountered discussing 82 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: tactics on how to lure sex trafficking victims. These texts, messages, 83 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: and more have now been leaked, and it's all spewing 84 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: from the empire built by Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker 85 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: according to ELI law enforcement. 86 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. 87 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which 88 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: has been called misogynistic, but what most people don't know 89 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 3: is that he also runs this secret of all male society, 90 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: the Warm, which he says is a kind of self 91 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: help society that helps you become better man. It costs 92 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered is 93 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: that actually within the Warum, they're actually teaching men methods 94 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: for grooming women into online sex work. And we've identified 95 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: from the leaked mesas as you referred to, at least 96 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: forty five potential victims of this crewing method. 97 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and 98 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a 99 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three 100 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, 101 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: including Andrew's brother Tristan, A spokesperson for the Tate brothers, 102 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: confirm their indictment to NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations. 103 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: The two were. 104 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: Amanded into custody back in December, before being released under 105 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: house arrest in March. 106 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them. 107 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: But I tell you this much, we can stop six trafficking. 108 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: Now. What's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret. 109 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: They're not in the back of massage parlors and nail 110 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have 111 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: sex with strays and then they're making the money. 112 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: This is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl. 113 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: That has been stolen and she's being hidden in some 114 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: secret apartment somewhere in La far far away from home, 115 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: being beaten in drug This is right in our face. 116 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: This is happening right online. I really don't even know 117 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: where to start taking a star friends. 118 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 5: At BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial 119 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 5: influencer Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The 120 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group, 121 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 5: as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence 122 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 5: against one of the alleged victims. The indictment taught says 123 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the four 124 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 5: defendants formed an organized criminal group to commit human trafficking 125 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 5: in the United States and Britain. 126 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 6: We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently 127 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by 128 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 6: the two Tape brothers. 129 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what 130 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: this is. 131 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: This is not about love and marriage. 132 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: You were hearing from our friends at BBC as well 133 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: as NBC. 134 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys. 135 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com, 136 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: Caitlin Becker joining us, I will you to hear our 137 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: cut fifteen from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew t BBC. 138 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: Listen. 139 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 7: In the leaked messages that we got access to, were 140 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 7: able to see that up to forty five women were 141 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 7: recruited into working on webcam, potentially groomed using this method 142 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 7: without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming 143 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 7: specific women and in the documentary we spoke to two 144 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 7: of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one 145 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 7: on the west coast of the US, who both alleged 146 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 7: that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew 147 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 7: Tate's warreom. 148 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: That's not all. 149 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: Take a listen, how are cut tin, Lucy Williamson BBC. 150 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 6: The prosecution also says that women were forced by the 151 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 6: defendants to make pornographic content online, and alleges that some 152 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 6: women did not control the money they made and were 153 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 6: fined for crying on camera or for not working hard enough. 154 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 6: As spokeswomen for the Tate brothers said that they vehemently 155 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 6: denied the serious allegations against them. 156 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: Joining me in ostar panel to make sense of what 157 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative reporter 158 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you 159 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: for being with us. Forty five known alleged victims. There 160 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do 161 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: you remember the initial search for Natalie Holloway. 162 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: We were USD. 163 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: Not only AUS, but many other journalists and law enforcement 164 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the 165 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been remo moved from the 166 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: island for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking. 167 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: You remove the victim from their home, from their money, 168 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID, 169 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, and 170 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away. 171 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: From their home. 172 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic is in 173 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: many countries, it's hard for some people to believe, but 174 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: this is the way sex trafficking works. 175 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Who is Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy. 176 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 8: It's the way sex trafficking work. But it's also the 177 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 8: way the Internet works. And Andrew Tate's claim to fame 178 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 8: is on the Internet. I mean he had a short 179 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 8: lived stint on British Big Brother, but really he became 180 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 8: known in online circles for being kind of a king 181 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 8: of misogyny and teaching men how to be men, which 182 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 8: involved subjugating and harassing women. He had very popular online courses. 183 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 8: He had one that called something Hustlers, and that was 184 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 8: more of his public one, and then this war room 185 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 8: that you've been hearing about was his private one. But 186 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 8: he also had very popular social media account where he 187 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 8: propagated this type of bullying and misogyny and as you heard, 188 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 8: essentially allegedly grooming, and he garnered thousands and thousands and 189 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 8: thousands of followers. And for war Room particularly, you had 190 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 8: to pay the equivalent of what is about eight thousand 191 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 8: dollars to join, So he's then profiting off of this 192 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 8: and frowing like minded men to listen to the types 193 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 8: of sort of vile information that he's viewing. So the 194 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 8: conspiracy goes far and wide. Do not only have Andrew 195 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 8: and Tristan Kate, the brothers who were at ahead of this, 196 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 8: that's sort of ahead of the stink, but you also 197 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 8: have all of those war Room members. You can imagine 198 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 8: how far this can go. I mean, we have alleged victims. 199 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 8: There are seven in the indictment, and they are from 200 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 8: all over the world, several in Europe, at least one 201 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 8: in the United States. All of their identities are being protected. 202 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 8: We are also hearing potentially forty five others from these 203 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 8: leaked telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those 204 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 8: messages are only for one year, so you have to 205 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 8: imagine in one year, If there's forty five potential victims, 206 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 8: I can't even fathom how many that could be. 207 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, now another woman, and the 208 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: long one of women climbing that Andrew Tate and or 209 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: his brother have sex assaulted them. But this happens in Romania. 210 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: There's not a lot we can do about it here. 211 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: But what more do we know about the take brothers, 212 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 2: and what if anything can be done here in the US. 213 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: This perv Andrew Tate has nearly nine million followers on 214 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: the social media platform x also known as Twitter. He 215 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence against him and that 216 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: there is a conspiracy to quote silence him. Okay, when 217 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: you start talking about conspiracies, you'll lose me. Remember everybody 218 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: said the LAPD had a conspiracy against Oj Simptom to 219 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: frame him for double murder. Bs Like you think one 220 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: of those cops would take a million dollars for a 221 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: tell all book about the so called conspiracy to frame 222 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding. In my experience, it's 223 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: too difficult for people to keep the pie hole shut 224 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: in a conspiracy. Even social media is shunning him. He's 225 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: been banned from multiple social media platforms for misogynistic woman 226 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: hating views and hate speech. What more do we know 227 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: about Andrew Tate and its freaky brother I know this. 228 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: They're rolling in money. 229 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: Romanian authorities sees fifteen luxury cars, fourteen designer watches, and 230 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: cash in several currencies. That's weird, worth around four million dollars. 231 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: These two women haters and alleged sex traffickers are making 232 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: a mint online. Look this isn't just a single instance. 233 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: Over three hundred million dollars US dollars was seized. That 234 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: is the tip of the iceberg with how many people 235 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: this guy is controlling and how many women are being 236 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: subjected to sex trafficking, forced perography, being raped, being beaten. 237 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: In his chats, screenshots purported messages from the Quote war Room, 238 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: Tate describes women as quote targets and assets and explains 239 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: how to isolate and manipulate women. In one message, this 240 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: woman hater describes how he isolated one woman until she 241 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: quote lost her support networks at home and he kept 242 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: her in his compound quote and. 243 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: This takes tastes like a dirt sandwich to me. 244 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: The real goal is for her to agree to never 245 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need 246 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to 247 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: seek help from his associates to force one woman to 248 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: post sexually explicit content on only fans. He tells his 249 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: fall or he'll be making the play tonight since she 250 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: moved to his compound. She's been said, but nothing else. 251 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: These are his words. She's broke, she can't go home, 252 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: she can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil, guys, 253 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 2: this is such a huge operation taking Listen at our 254 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: cut too, Lucy Williamson. 255 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 6: The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and 256 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 6: within that there are several counts against each of the 257 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 6: four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized 258 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 6: crime unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars, 259 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 6: luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US 260 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 6: dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate 261 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 6: charges that are still under investigation that may be the 262 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 6: subject of a separate indictment in the future. 263 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: Think about it. 264 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: How many times have I told a jury don't turn away. 265 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: Think about what's happening around you. Think about these facts. 266 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: Young women being forced into sex rate. 267 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Think about it. 268 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: Do you have a daughter, a mother, a sister, Think 269 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: about her being forced into sex, isolated from her family 270 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 2: to the tin of this guy making at least three 271 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. 272 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 9: Nancy Man, I hear someone jumping in. Who is it, Nancy? 273 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 9: This is Don Shiller. 274 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us, training 275 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: director for the La County Project with Coalition to Abolish 276 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of the 277 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: Road through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes. 278 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: Dawn, please jump. 279 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 9: In, go ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call 280 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 9: myself a lived experience expert in and that's what we do. 281 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 9: We go out and teach and train around human trafficking. 282 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 9: So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what 283 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 9: it is really applies to is the recruitment. Grooming is 284 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 9: recruitment under the umbrella of what is human trafficking. I'm 285 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 9: luring somebody in on their vulnerabilities based off of means 286 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 9: for love and attention, whatever that is, because they didn't 287 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 9: have it at home. It's really a classic form of 288 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 9: recruitment into where the victim is then now kept in 289 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 9: by force, fraud, and coercion and coersion is all types 290 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 9: of things. The fraud is this promise of love that 291 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 9: never turns into Love's always like having to force you 292 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 9: into doing something. 293 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew Take's leaked text. Wait 294 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in 295 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: the business. 296 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: If we all. 297 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: Agree on that, I'll give you a play by play 298 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: of what I try. I do this for every girl 299 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: I get to work. If you guys see the value, 300 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: you guys can use your bottom bit to do whatever 301 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 2: g is doing. You are never going back to your hometown, 302 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: even to visit without me. You understand that is part 303 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: of his technique. These are his words, not mine. 304 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. Wonderfitter. 305 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: It's used of raping one woman twice, using intimidation, constant 306 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 2: surveillance and claims. In the Victims of War in Debt 307 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: take a List at Our Cut eight from BBC. 308 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 6: Prosecutors outlined the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Taate. 309 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 6: It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear 310 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 6: to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and 311 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 6: the apparent coercion, control and abuse of women by mister 312 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 6: Tate and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew 313 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 6: Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex 314 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 6: using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in 315 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 6: prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to 316 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 6: twelve hours a day. 317 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: Slaving women from ten to twelve hours a day, okay 318 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author 319 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: of Serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime 320 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: fans ask doctor Joni, thank you for being with us. 321 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: Explain what's happening here? 322 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential 323 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 10: scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But 324 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 10: the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how 325 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 10: many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just 326 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 10: isolating people from their loved ones, from people they care about, 327 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 10: the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've heard this 328 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 10: in a million different ways. It's the way to isolate 329 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 10: and control your victims, and it's you know, it's something 330 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 10: we've heard over and over again. 331 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: Guys, you think this hasn't happened before, It's happened so 332 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: many times. Before sex cults, and it's always women and 333 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized, 334 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take 335 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: a listen to our cut nineteen. We're talking about Nexium. 336 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Listen. 337 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 11: Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges 338 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 11: after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women 339 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 11: as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an 340 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 11: organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac 341 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 11: gave a testimonial for the group. 342 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: When I first came, I had on the surface something 343 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: that seems to be like the perfect life for a 344 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: pretty good life. 345 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 11: Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including 346 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 11: sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority. 347 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder and director of the Cold 348 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: Case Research Institute. You can find for at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl, 349 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US 350 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: based sex cult where people were actually allowed being brand 351 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The 352 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing 353 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: our face in it. It's right here on the internet. 354 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 2: He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can 355 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on this. 356 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 12: Nancy, I think some terminology here is going to be important. 357 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: Terminology, Lyria end, How is terminology going to put this 358 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: guy behind bars? 359 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: Terminology? What does that. 360 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: Matter to me? 361 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 12: Because they need to understand who he is. They keep 362 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 12: using words like grene. 363 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 9: Who's they today? 364 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 12: On the show, people have said grooming That implies over time. 365 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 12: Listen to me very carefully. There are three types of pimp. 366 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 12: There's the ceo pimp, there's the robeo pimp, and there's 367 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 12: the gorilla pimp. The CEO pimp is all about money. 368 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 12: He only cares about money. She's an object. He's going 369 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 12: to make money. He owns her. Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, 370 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 12: you're my wife, you're my woman, put his name on 371 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 12: her neck, tattoo her as property, but she believes they're together. 372 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 12: Then you've got the gorilla pimp. He's gonna bust you 373 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 12: in your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you 374 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 12: are a sick slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing. 375 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 12: The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can 376 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 12: go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or 377 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 12: a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what 378 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 12: you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and 379 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 12: the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the 380 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 12: cement floor, working eight hours a day with no brain. 381 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: And when you say working eight hours a day, what 382 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after 383 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money. 384 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: Does the arrest of Andrew Tait and his creepy. 385 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: Brother spell the end of the so called man o sphere, 386 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: you know, like hemisphere but mansphere the controversial that's one 387 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 2: way to put it. Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be 388 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 2: extradited to the UK this after a grainy footage from 389 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: police shows a man dubbed the quote King of Toxic 390 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: Masculinity being arrested. 391 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: In the dead of the night along with his. 392 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: Creepy brother and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs. 393 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: Within hours, a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and 394 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: Tristan Tate to the UK, where they now face charges 395 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: of sex aggression in a case that dates back to 396 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: two thousand and fifteen, but the judge says the Tate 397 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: brothers won't actually be sent to the UK until they 398 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: face trial in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking, 399 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: rape and forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate, 400 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: now thirty seven, describes himself as a misogynist. He's a 401 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 2: British American social media influencer, a former professional kickboxer, and 402 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: has around nine million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course, 403 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: many of them are just schoolboys. 404 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: Hello. Multiple women in multiple countries accuse him of rape, 405 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: sex assault and trafficking, and I'm bragging about the crimes 406 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: on social media. 407 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: Where's the US and all of this? You want to 408 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: tell me he has not exploited women from the US. 409 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: But let's go back to the beginning. To you, Caitlin Becker, 410 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: Senior investigator reporter dalimil dot com. Could you please explain 411 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: Obviously I'm not doing a good job and I accept 412 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: that you can do much better than me, explaining what 413 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: kind of hate and witchall Andrew Tait spews? 414 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: What does he say? 415 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 8: Well, first and foremost fancy just to sort of put 416 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 8: the pimp question to bed. He sorry for the really 417 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 8: poorly timed pun there too. He himself at a course 418 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 8: called PhD in the war room. This is where the 419 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 8: conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands 420 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 8: for pimpin hose degree. So he was doing this very 421 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 8: much in plain sight. 422 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 2: You know what, you are so polite? I am not 423 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: PhD pimpin' hoose degree. That's what he calls women, ladies, whores, 424 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: pimping whores degree. 425 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: Now, if he were just those were just words. 426 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: I can't proscue some money for words unless they're terroristic threats. 427 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: But these aren't just words. 428 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: Where do you think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus? 429 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: More women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because 430 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: of Andrew Take's cult like members that he creates. 431 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: Go ahead, please Titlin Becker. Well. 432 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 8: On top of that, Nancy, with the money, he essentially 433 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 8: ran a pyramid scheme with his hustlers University. That was 434 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 8: his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month 435 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 8: and they he essentially gave people advice on how to 436 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 8: be a better man and how to get wealthy, and 437 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 8: how to control women. And then he would have those 438 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 8: members go and recruit other members. So he's running this 439 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 8: sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think 440 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 8: at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers, 441 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 8: in addition to this other war room, which was certainly 442 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 8: more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages 443 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 8: that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms, 444 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 8: and they spoke about actions with women, about how they 445 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 8: wanted to basically enslave them, how they wanted them to 446 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 8: not have any control, like you said, very cult like, 447 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 8: very much cult like, not to have any control over 448 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 8: their finances, not be able to control what they did, 449 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 8: what they wore, what they eat, who they saw, and 450 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 8: also separate them from their families. So those are sort 451 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 8: of the actionable things that he's accused of doing. But 452 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 8: what it comes down to is he had a lot 453 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 8: of these women allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans, 454 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 8: which is another subscription based service, and different kinds of 455 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 8: pornography sites which are other subscription based services. So he 456 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 8: would allegedly get the money in from that while forcing 457 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 8: these women for ten twelve hours a day to perform 458 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 8: these sex acts against their will. And these can be 459 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 8: done anywhere because everything is online. 460 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me explain. 461 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: Then I'm going to go to our other all star guests. 462 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: First of all, a renowned international attorney is joining us, 463 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: Algrin and Lee Reaber, incredible detect forensic detective. 464 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl. I'm not making it clear. I don't think I 465 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: need you to help me. 466 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: I cannot expect everyone in this room or everyone listening 467 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: right now to understand the outrage that I'm feeling. I 468 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: think you have to go, and you have to either 469 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: be a sex assault victim yourself, which guess what you'd 470 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: be really surprised about the people you know that are 471 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: sex assault victims that have never mentioned it. 472 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: You'd be very. 473 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: Surprised unless you are a sex assault victim, or have 474 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: worked with sex assault victims, or you have gone and 475 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: you have seen for yourself the lives of these women 476 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: in the back of the nel salon, in the back 477 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: of the massage parlors, in the apartments is where they 478 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: are beaten and drugged and raped by multiple men a day, 479 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 2: and their lives are torn apart. 480 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: And they are never the same. 481 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: The beatings, the humiliations these women, these girls just go numb. 482 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: And while I often say yeah, you can go on, 483 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: you can go forward in their life, yeah you can, 484 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: but they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up. 485 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stench, the smell, 486 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through 487 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: right now. While we're talking about which word to use, 488 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: they're being raped and sodomized and beaten right now. 489 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 12: Cheryl Anthey, I think you're doing a beautiful job that 490 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 12: I know for us on the street level and law enforcement, 491 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 12: it is so difficult when you find a location, you 492 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 12: kick that door in, and you see somebody that's about 493 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 12: twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come 494 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 12: to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will 495 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 12: not give the person's name up, they will not tell 496 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 12: what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with 497 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 12: their families. Everything in their life is upside down. And 498 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 12: when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know, 499 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 12: bring them back home and get them to a place 500 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 12: where they can maybe even go back to school, it's 501 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 12: almost impossible. 502 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: Now, Cheryl, hold on, I want to talk about grown women. Okay, 503 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: and yes, everything you just said was right. But these women, 504 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: it's like the ladies that I work with at the 505 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and 506 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: drugged and it's horrible. 507 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, think. 508 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 12: About it, it's not much different for us. Since she's 509 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 12: twenty one or thirty five, everything has been slipped for her. 510 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 12: Paranoia is real, the drugs they were given them is real. 511 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 12: The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to 512 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 12: go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in 513 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 12: law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says. 514 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 13: You believe this person that's. 515 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 12: Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, it's been sexually 516 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 12: assaulting you, is still in control of you, even if 517 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 12: they've been taken to JAM. 518 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 9: This is Don Schilder Again. I don't think I am 519 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 9: a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what 520 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 9: I went through. I went through that with John Holmes. 521 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 9: I went through that with almost six years of being hidden, 522 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 9: being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution, 523 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 9: being forced into crime. I did all of that. I 524 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 9: know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel 525 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 9: you and I hear you on that on a big level, 526 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 9: on a big level, and I do care about these 527 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 9: women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing, 528 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 9: I agree with you one hundred percent is absolutely egregious. 529 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 9: That he's just throwing it in people's faces is even 530 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 9: more insulting to survivors. I'm the victims are still out there, 531 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 9: scared to death. 532 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 13: To speak up. 533 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 9: You don't know you're a victim when you are coming 534 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 9: out of that. You've been brainwashed into believe in that 535 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 9: you did it to yourself, that you consented to all 536 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 9: of that. That's part of the tactic that the youth. 537 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 538 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 2: Back to the former YouTuber Southern. She describes years later 539 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 2: when she read an article about other alleged assaults by 540 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 2: Tate and says they were the same as what happened 541 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: to her. She also says the sex assault was the 542 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: driving force when she decided to leave politics. Now. The 543 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 2: two brothers have been accused of many many crimes in 544 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: Romania and they will face criminal charges in the UK, 545 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 2: including human trafficking and rape you. Tate is accused of 546 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 2: pointing a gun at a woman's face and sex assaulting 547 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: an ex girlfriend. What more do we know about the 548 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: Tate brothers. Greg Algrin is joining us as well as 549 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: Lee Reeber, Greg high profile international lawyer with the US 550 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: dash INMX Law group. Listen to this more of the 551 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: messages in the misogynistic hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker. 552 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 2: This is in his wor room instructs members to quote 553 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: punish victims that would be women for transgressions by having 554 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: her get our name tattooed on her. One group leader, 555 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: called a general, describes how he hit a woman in 556 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: the head with her own keyboard when she complained about something. 557 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: The woman who worked for him then went in the 558 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 2: room and worked seven hours without a break. It goes 559 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: on and on and on about how to beat and 560 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: control women to perform pornographic acts. Group sex, many online, 561 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 2: many on screen. 562 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg. 563 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: A lot of what I know from these alleged messages 564 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: of Andrew Tates I can't bring myself to repeat on 565 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: the air. 566 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: But let me ask you, what can the US do 567 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: about it? 568 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 2: Because there are so many victims here I believe, including 569 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 2: one victim whose name has somehow been linked and all 570 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: these a holes working for Tait or working under Tait 571 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 2: have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats. 572 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 2: I mean, what are we going to do about it? 573 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: And what can we do about it? 574 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 13: Sure, so the situation, it's so outrageous that it cries 575 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 13: out for legal accountability, and I think, you know, eventually 576 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 13: it has to catch up with all of them in 577 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 13: a permanent right, because Andrew Tate is a citizen by 578 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 13: birth of the United States, and so he can flee 579 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 13: the country, but he can't. He can't lose that citizenship. 580 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 13: And that means the US, with his network of mutual 581 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 13: legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. Perhaps, 582 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 13: you know, it's a question of sort of capturing the 583 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 13: attention of law enforcement. But the US has the means 584 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 13: to catch up with it wherever he is and ensure 585 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 13: there's some legal accountability. So it needs to happen a 586 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 13: lot of times. It's very very slow, it's bureaucratic, but 587 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 13: it's a process that is it can be virtually impossible 588 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 13: to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully we'll 589 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 13: see sooner rather than later that legal accountability. There's a 590 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 13: structure for it. It just needs to be engaged. 591 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. 592 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 2: Andrew Tate quote told rape victim he would get her pregnant, 593 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 2: lock her away, allegedly find webcam workers that started crying 594 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 2: during sex acts on webcam and tried to coerce them 595 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: into group sex, and then they started crying and so 596 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: he punished them. This is his business that is making 597 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: five million dollars a month. One victim claims Tate tried 598 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 2: to force her to have group sex and said shut 599 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: up horror when she tried to object. 600 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: There are hundreds and hundreds of. 601 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: Pages of reported testimony and evidence really physically abusing these women. 602 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: One woman tells prosecutor's tape would rape her while holding 603 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: her head so as she couldn't move, and threaten to 604 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: get her pregnant. I mean it goes on and on 605 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 2: and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away 606 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: from her and continue to beat her. Shut up horror, 607 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 2: You will do as I say. I mean, it goes 608 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 2: on and on and on, and I'm reading you only 609 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin, 610 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 2: are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported, 611 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 2: many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped, 612 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 2: sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence. 613 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of 614 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: reported violence. 615 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 2: One victim reports a take coworker, a henchman, threatens to 616 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: quote break her teeth that she would end up in 617 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 2: the morgue. The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam 618 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 2: business allege their income is controlled by the Tates. They 619 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: are fined or punished if they start crying during a 620 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: sex act, if they wipe their nose, if they take 621 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 2: too long on a break. 622 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: It just goes on and on and on. 623 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 2: Many people ask how did Andrew and Tristan Tate get 624 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 2: back into the US. We know that Florida launched a 625 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 2: criminal investigation into the influencers. I guess you could call 626 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: them that. They spew hate for women every day online 627 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the end of February, the 628 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 2: two fled to the US from Romania, where they were 629 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 2: accused of human trafficking and accused of forming an organized 630 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 2: group to sex exploit women. Andrew Tate also accused of rape. 631 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 2: Of course, they deny all the charges. Now, the two 632 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 2: were dual citizens in the UK and the US, and 633 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 2: they have made millions of dollars off social media. Online 634 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 2: they're extremely controversial with repeated offensive statements about women. They 635 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 2: have an American dad who worked for the US Air 636 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 2: Force in Britain. Their parents met in the UK and 637 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: then they moved to the US. Now that's how they're 638 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: US citizens through the dad. The parents divorced, the mom 639 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 2: goes back to England. The brothers spent time there and 640 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: police there linked them to quote terrifying radicalization of boys 641 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 2: and young men into violence against women and girls. There 642 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 2: was a big red flag in Romania that they were 643 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 2: going to try and leave because they went quiet on 644 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 2: social media. They then flew from book Rest to Florida 645 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 2: on a private jet back in January. 646 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: Now why why? Why? 647 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 2: The travel band had been lifted and the two got 648 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 2: their US passports back. Oddly. The two have a huge 649 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 2: US following. Many people, many many people in the crime 650 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 2: victim community are extremely disturbed by reports that US officials 651 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 2: asked for Tate's travel restrictions to be relaxed. 652 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: Why now. 653 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 2: The Florida criminal investigation is a civil lawsuit from a 654 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 2: woman who claims they coerced her into sex work, then 655 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 2: defamed her when she gave evidence to Remanian police. They 656 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 2: deny this again. At this juncture the two are innocent 657 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 2: until proven guilty. Will that ever happen. We wait as 658 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: justice unfals. Goodbye friend 659 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 6: M.