Speaker 1: All Zone Media.
Speaker 2: It's it could happen here. It's the podcast.
Speaker 3: I didn't write an intro for this because everything, everything
Speaker 3: incredibly sucks. This is the podcast where bad things happen.
Speaker 3: I'm your host with me as Garrison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a lot of bad things the past week,
Speaker 1: past year, but the past week and a half it's
Speaker 1: been pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that's been very bad is
Speaker 3: literally everything Israel has been up to, like I mean,
Speaker 3: since it was founded, but the last three four weeks
Speaker 3: somehow things have gotten worse, which is a sort of
Speaker 3: unbelievable thing to say about a genocide, but it's expanding.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there is at the end of this one
Speaker 3: of the most bizarre trunk quotes I've ever seen. So
Speaker 3: that's my promise to you to stick with this. But
Speaker 3: oh boy, everything is very very bad. So we now
Speaker 3: have I guess I don't even know if French is
Speaker 3: the right way to talk about this, but what we
Speaker 3: have in Gaza, which is where the main Israeli offensive
Speaker 3: is going right now, well we'll get into that. There's
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff in Lebanon too, where they're pulling
Speaker 3: troops to but in Gaza, everything just continues to get worse,
Speaker 3: even though so these Raelis have pulled out some troops
Speaker 3: from Gaza, but they're also still making another offensive into
Speaker 3: northern Gaza. And the thing about the way that the
Speaker 3: Israelis make offensive into places is that the thing that
Speaker 3: the Israelis do is they just immediately start shooting at hospitals.
Speaker 2: So that's been a big part of what's happening.
Speaker 1: Something that used to be like controversial and like widely news,
Speaker 1: where the a year ago at taxon hospitals now have
Speaker 1: become so normalized, to be sensitized that it doesn't even
Speaker 1: make headlines, which that's been one of the most indicative
Speaker 1: factors that this has gone about as bad as it
Speaker 1: could have. I remember a year ago, we were like
Speaker 1: debating whether or not the Israeli military intentionally like struck
Speaker 1: a hospital, and this was like this was like a
Speaker 1: week's long debate trying to figure out what exactly happened.
Speaker 1: And now attacks on hospitals are just complete commonplace. It's
Speaker 1: like we've just totally lost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, you know, like it's not even
Speaker 3: just that that the Israelis are deliberately targeting hospitals, it's
Speaker 3: that the temporary facilities people have been trying to set
Speaker 3: up because the hospitals are being blown up are also being.
Speaker 1: Attacked, Yeah, which has also been going on for ages, yeah,
Speaker 1: almost a year now, like almost immediately as soon as
Speaker 1: like humanitarian aid and like and like like impromptu medical
Speaker 1: tents were set up, those were also the targets. And
Speaker 1: this is also just continued.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think the thing that's you know, it's bleak
Speaker 3: about it, right is like, I mean, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: not the thing. The thing that's bleak about it is
Speaker 3: that they're blowing up hospitals. But I mean, we've reached
Speaker 3: a point into this where it's not even user but
Speaker 3: be the Israelis don't even like attempt to justify it anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you remember a year ago
Speaker 3: when they were doing this, it'd be all of the
Speaker 3: stuff about how, oh we found homas tunnels under the hospitals,
Speaker 3: and there's just not.
Speaker 2: E vent anymore.
Speaker 3: They're just they're just shooting at hospitals. Sometimes they give
Speaker 3: evacuation orders. They've been That's the other thing that's been
Speaker 3: happening periodically is the Israelis keep basically you know, in
Speaker 3: places in northern Gaza. They'll be like, everyone has to
Speaker 3: leave now, and then they'll bombit it and they'll keep
Speaker 3: bombing it. Part of the thing about covering Gaza right
Speaker 3: is all of the stuff that we're saying is stuff
Speaker 3: that was a major news story like six months ago
Speaker 3: and is no longer a major news story because the
Speaker 3: slaughter has become just sort of so rutinized. But you know,
Speaker 3: so people are fleeing from northern Gaza into what's supposed
Speaker 3: to be the safe zone in central Gaza, except the
Speaker 3: Israelis keep shooting at their refugee camps in central Gaza,
Speaker 3: so it's not actually there's there's not actually a place
Speaker 3: you can be in Gaza where you're not getting bombed.
Speaker 3: What there is is some places sometimes are less bond
Speaker 3: than other places. And you know, I think there had
Speaker 3: been a tiny amount of hope that the only conceivable
Speaker 3: upside about the invasion lebanonmal that the would be a
Speaker 3: pull out of troops and we'd see less offensive, But
Speaker 3: you know, they've just been escalating bombing campaigns and are
Speaker 3: doing some offensive anyways. So yeah, there's there's there's continuingly
Speaker 3: sort of is really attacks into into Partian North and Gaza.
Speaker 3: The other big thing, and this is what most of
Speaker 3: this episode is going to be about, is a new
Speaker 3: front after already having like having this entire thing in Gaza.
Speaker 3: There was also like an invasion of the West Bank,
Speaker 3: which again is like, I don't know how to express
Speaker 3: how insane it is to have a war where you're
Speaker 3: nominally fighting against Hamas and then invade the West Bank,
Speaker 3: a place where there isn't Hamas. But they've done that too.
Speaker 3: There's been parts of the West Bank, there's been a
Speaker 3: bunch of really troops and you know, we know they've
Speaker 3: been fighting in Yemen as much bombings in Yemen, but
Speaker 3: also now they've just straight up invaded Lebanon. And this
Speaker 3: is the sort of chain of events of this was
Speaker 3: I don't know if kicked off is the right word,
Speaker 3: but it was. It was dramatically accelerated by the assassination
Speaker 3: of Fassan Nosraala, who is I think most.
Speaker 2: People are aware that he's the head of Hesbalon.
Speaker 3: Has been the head of his blow since like nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety two, which is longer than anyone who's on this
Speaker 3: episode right now has been alive.
Speaker 1: Was this the one who was killed in those like
Speaker 1: apartment like carpet carpet bombings. Yeah yeah, so I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: even still, assassination is a strong word for or I
Speaker 1: guess a light word for just bombing. Like it was
Speaker 1: like what three large apartment complexes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just obliterated a bunch of complexes with like
Speaker 3: something like eighty bunker busters.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this is actually the second time that the Israelis
Speaker 3: have just straight up killed someone they were supposed to
Speaker 3: nominally be negotiating with. They killed the head of Hamas
Speaker 3: like in Iran. So you know, we talked about on
Speaker 3: this show the initial wave of attacks on Lebanon, which
Speaker 3: is the sort of the Pager explosions, and the fallow
Speaker 3: up to the Pager explosions was that they figured out
Speaker 3: what bunker that ISRAELA was in and they just killed him.
Speaker 3: This is extremely bad for a lot of reasons, one
Speaker 3: of which is that has blawed kind of hadn't really
Speaker 3: been on full war footing until this point. Like they've
Speaker 3: been doing a bunch of rocket attacks on northern Israel,
Speaker 3: right and there've been these sort of exchanges of rocket
Speaker 3: fire across the border, but they hadn't really escalated beyond that.
Speaker 3: And then the Israelis were like, well, just fuck it, okay,
Speaker 3: we want our invasion of Lebanon, and Raala was kind
Speaker 3: of like, I don't know if like auderating force is
Speaker 3: quite the right term here, but his policy wasn't that
Speaker 3: Hesbolah was going to fight a total war against Israel,
Speaker 3: and the Israeli just fucking murdered him anyways, So we
Speaker 3: should probably talk about who Nocerala is. He's not from
Speaker 3: like the original Hesbela cadres from from the original lebaneseivil
Speaker 3: war when it emerges is an eighty two. He's not
Speaker 3: from that cadre, but he's a pretty old school Hesbola
Speaker 3: guy by this point. He's you know, I've talking about
Speaker 3: like he's been in charge of Hesbelag for fucking ever.
Speaker 3: Like I am not old enough to remember a time
Speaker 3: when he was not in charge of Hesblah because I
Speaker 3: wasn't born yet, I don't know. He's he's one of
Speaker 3: the people who's seen Hesbelah's sort of expansion and also
Speaker 3: seen Hesbelod be able to be like the only of
Speaker 3: the sort of major Lebanese political parties who are in
Speaker 3: the negotiations to end the civil war. He kind of
Speaker 3: oversaw the process of Hesblah being like the only armed
Speaker 3: party like left in in Lebanon other than like the
Speaker 3: regular army.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He was also very famously in charge of Hesbela's I
Speaker 3: don't know how exactly you wanted.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of stuff about how the war
Speaker 3: in two thousand and six started. But in two thousand
Speaker 3: and six Israel made this attempt to sort of like
Speaker 3: do their big antie Hesbelah push. They invaded Lebanon, and
Speaker 3: Israel didn't do very well. They were expecting and I
Speaker 3: think what most people were expecting has Bla to fight like,
Speaker 3: you know, like a gorilla army right doing hit a
Speaker 3: run attacks, doing doing the sort of like the whole
Speaker 3: sort of last century of gorilla hit and run campaigns.
Speaker 3: And they didn't do that. They basically they sat there.
Speaker 3: It fought like a conventional army with a bunch of
Speaker 3: bunker networks. And the Israelis did extremely poorly in that war.
Speaker 3: And I think this is influenced a lot of the
Speaker 3: way that people were thinking about how this how this
Speaker 3: fight was going to work, and it hasn't. But you
Speaker 3: know the fact that I was able to sort of
Speaker 3: stave off the initial attack, and then the Israelis spent
Speaker 3: like forty more days doing a bombing campaign and everyone
Speaker 3: just called it quits. Was absolutely huge for Hesbelaws a
Speaker 3: political force. Unfortunately for them, I guess they burned an
Speaker 3: unbelievable amount of that political capital that they'd gotten from
Speaker 3: being really the first people in a long time to
Speaker 3: like actually be able to viably claim that they defeated Israel.
Speaker 3: And I mean, it's obviously like both both sides of
Speaker 3: that declared victory, but Hesbelood puts up a better fight
Speaker 3: against the Israelis, and like it's like stops their ground
Speaker 3: advance in a way that like was almost unimaginable at
Speaker 3: that point. Even though Hesbola had sort of fought pretty
Speaker 3: well during the Lebanies of the world, is better than
Speaker 3: most of the other sort of like anti Israeli factions
Speaker 3: that weren't a state, and even I mean even most
Speaker 3: of the states that have fought issue have done extremely poorly.
Speaker 3: We're going to go to ads and then when we
Speaker 3: come back, we're going to talk a bit about how
Speaker 3: has Blood's position weakened and how the Israelis have just
Speaker 3: sort of decided that this is a moment they can.
Speaker 2: Just murder everyone in.
Speaker 3: So we are back with more I guess, very very
Speaker 3: short summary of what has been up to over the
Speaker 3: last about thirty years. So part of the reason that
Speaker 3: things haven't been going enormously well for HESBLA is that
Speaker 3: a lot of their capacity was weakened by the fact
Speaker 3: that HESBA law during the Ausurian Civil War through their
Speaker 3: entire backing behind the SOD And this was like hideously
Speaker 3: unpopular for I think, I think reasons that are obvious
Speaker 3: most people listening, But one of the big ones is
Speaker 3: it's hideously unpopular in like in Palestine, God I Thine
Speaker 3: who ran the poll, but there so there's a very
Speaker 3: famous pole that was showing like the disapproval rating in
Speaker 3: paleside different world leaders. I mean, they didn't pull in
Speaker 3: that in Yahoo because obviously, like isn't that Yahoo, But
Speaker 3: like the two highest ones that weren't at Yahoo, where
Speaker 3: it was like Biden at eighty percent, and then slightly
Speaker 3: higher than Biden was Bashar al Assad because he is
Speaker 3: hideously unpopular, partially for a bunch of shit that he
Speaker 3: did in a very very large palasinine refugee camp there
Speaker 3: that you know, has belat fucking backed them for and
Speaker 3: so has well spent a lot of the last decade
Speaker 3: just sort of running around Syria backing the Assaud machime
Speaker 3: and that I don't know, Garrison, I that doesn't make
Speaker 3: you popular anywhere other than like extremely weird sections.
Speaker 1: Of the American left. Yeah, I mean, I guess some
Speaker 1: of the American right.
Speaker 3: When you're backing a guy who is just like who
Speaker 3: is doing a thing the israelis due like obviously on
Speaker 3: a smaller scale, but like shooting up like Palsaden refugee camp,
Speaker 3: He's not going to be normally popular.
Speaker 1: Whenever there's a guy who's like seriously maimed your family members, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty easy to dislike him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like whatever things that's going on in the
Speaker 3: story that like we need a fucking seven depart episode
Speaker 3: to talk about. But Syria occupied a bunch of Lebanon
Speaker 3: for a long time, and that also like hasn't made
Speaker 3: him enormously popular in the region.
Speaker 2: But you know, Heslo's.
Speaker 3: Position is that they had like they have the slogan
Speaker 3: that goes the road to Jerusalem runs to a Lepo,
Speaker 3: which is just like just not how any of this
Speaker 3: has worked, it's been a complete fiasco, has lost.
Speaker 2: Performance in Syria hasn't been very good.
Speaker 1: And it can explain what that phrase means.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So so the point of this basically was
Speaker 3: that in order to defeat the Zionists through some incredibly
Speaker 3: murky logic, like the Asade regime had to be kept
Speaker 3: in power, and this was this was a sort of
Speaker 3: the justification that was used by Hesbela to just send
Speaker 3: a bunch of troops there to coordinate with a bunch
Speaker 3: of other different groups there. And I mean, like it's
Speaker 3: it's a really terrible decision, both on a moral and
Speaker 3: a strategic level, in the sense that like it caused
Speaker 3: a rift between what it's supposed to be the resistance
Speaker 3: factions in Palestine, and it just killed a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: And like the Iranians are sending I don't actually know
Speaker 3: howny people know about the story, but one of the
Speaker 3: like terrifying things that's happening in this is that there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of refugees from Afghanistan you flee to Iran,
Speaker 3: and the Iranians like basically conscrict a bunch of these
Speaker 3: people and send them into Syria with rifles. So it's
Speaker 3: like these people are like fighting alongside has balon Hesla.
Speaker 3: They don't do great because Hezeblah has always been good
Speaker 3: at fighting like fairly obviously morally justified defensive wars inside
Speaker 3: of Lebanon. And then they go off and fight basically
Speaker 3: like a semi imperial war in Syria.
Speaker 2: It's fucking shit show.
Speaker 3: And this has been extremely bad for their capacity and
Speaker 3: it also really hurt has Blot politically because again it
Speaker 3: was also very very unpopular in Lebanon.
Speaker 2: And this kind of all leads us.
Speaker 3: To the last few weeks of like terrible shit that's
Speaker 3: been happening, where yeah, these Reeli's just fucking launched this
Speaker 3: hideous bombing campaign, I mean just really just all over Lebanon, right,
Speaker 3: you know, most of the most of the reporting has
Speaker 3: been about their attacks in the south, but like they've
Speaker 3: bombed the capital, they've bombed Tripoli, they've killed I think
Speaker 3: so far it's one of these things where the death
Speaker 3: counts kind of have stopped updating, but in the last
Speaker 3: few days it looks like they've killed about two thousand people.
Speaker 3: It's not enormously clear, but yeah, things that things have
Speaker 3: gotten extremely unbelievably bad. And this has also really, I
Speaker 3: think been a kind of mask off moment for both
Speaker 3: the US and the Israelis, where all of the things
Speaker 3: that they've been pretending for the last year, they've just
Speaker 3: straight up saying that they don't believe anymore. I think
Speaker 3: that the best indicator of this is there's a White
Speaker 3: House press conference and Matthew Miller, who's one of the
Speaker 3: White House spokesperson answered a question about, yeah, it's just
Speaker 3: about the conflicts, and he said, quote, yes, we do
Speaker 3: so port Israel launching these incursions to degrade has blows infrastructure,
Speaker 3: which like kind of sounds like a standard like the
Speaker 3: US word Israel thing, But if you actually read into
Speaker 3: what that's saying, he's saying the US's official position is
Speaker 3: no longer ret there trying to get a ceasefire, right,
Speaker 3: That's that's what he's saying. This is immediate and active
Speaker 3: support for the israelis not not only not attempting to
Speaker 3: end the war, but expanding it into Lebanon. And this
Speaker 3: is something that like hadn't been in an explicit like
Speaker 3: war goal for for Israel sort of until this point.
Speaker 3: The line had always been that the point of this
Speaker 3: was to bring back the hostages, right, but like there's
Speaker 3: no fucking hostages in Lebanon, Like there isn't there just aren't.
Speaker 2: Right, That's that's not how any of this works.
Speaker 3: And at this point all of the sort of pretenses
Speaker 3: falling away and it it just degrading into this pure slaughter.
Speaker 3: And when we when we come back from this ADS,
Speaker 3: we're gonna wrap up with more stuff that mostly sucks.
Speaker 3: And also Trump's latest thing on this, which is very weird.
Speaker 2: We are back.
Speaker 3: So as this has been going on in the past
Speaker 3: couple of days, Netanyahu posted a I don't even know
Speaker 3: how to describe it, one of the weirdest videos I've
Speaker 3: seen since like that insane Kevin Bacon won. That's just
Speaker 3: him threatening Lebanon. He says, quote, you have an opportunity
Speaker 3: to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of
Speaker 3: a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering
Speaker 3: like we see in Gaza. She's just straight up threatening Lebanon.
Speaker 3: As as Israeli troops are moving across the borders or
Speaker 3: shoes for occupying or tempted occupied cities. He's just straight
Speaker 3: up saying, like Lebanon needs to just throw out Hesbela somehow,
Speaker 3: even though it's just like a political party. They need
Speaker 3: to completely destroy Hesbela somehow Otherwise Israel is going to
Speaker 3: do to Lebanon when they've done to Gaza, and that,
Speaker 3: I don't know is a unbelievably hideous expansion of the war.
Speaker 1: Could you give some context for like why Israel is
Speaker 1: making moves into Lebanon. We know like their targeting has
Speaker 1: been but there's also like a degree of territorial dispute
Speaker 1: over where Israel ends and Lebanon begins. Yeah, that Israel
Speaker 1: has been kind of like wanting to increase tensions over
Speaker 1: for a while, and it feels like they're just using
Speaker 1: the war in Gaza as a cover to also try
Speaker 1: to claim like territory of southern Lebanon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean this gets into so I think
Speaker 3: there's three kind of reasons, and I think that are
Speaker 3: all overlapping factors for different groups of people, you know,
Speaker 3: because like different Israeli political factions, different sort of strategic
Speaker 3: like elements of the military set, etc. Are doing things
Speaker 3: for sometimes overlapping sometimes different reasons. Like there's the obvious one,
Speaker 3: which is like, Okay, there's a dislike for has blawed.
Speaker 3: That's been funneled because a bunch of people in settlements
Speaker 3: in northern Israell have been like have been evacuated because
Speaker 3: they keep getting bombed, right, and those people are unbelievably
Speaker 3: pissed off, and they've been pushing for this for a
Speaker 3: long time. There's the second one, which is I think
Speaker 3: the one that liberals use as is like the excuse
Speaker 3: for the entire the entire genocide was wrong. But it
Speaker 3: is also true that net and Yahoo does like personally
Speaker 3: need this war to keep going because the moment the war.
Speaker 2: Stops, he's gone, He's screwed. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like that that's a personal extentive for net
Speaker 3: and Yahu. There's also another one outside of the political
Speaker 3: pressure from from the northern settlers and you know, the
Speaker 3: general idea has bluffing and net Yahoo personally, which is
Speaker 3: like is really so doas have always been. It's it's
Speaker 3: most extreme, like most sort of far right, most genocidal
Speaker 3: like political element right. But increasingly we're watching them get
Speaker 3: radicalized even further in real time, and we're watching them
Speaker 3: become increasingly powerful. And one of the things that those
Speaker 3: people want is they have this unbelievably deranged thing that
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess all nationalist movements eventually get to
Speaker 3: there greater whatever your country is thing, But they've entered
Speaker 3: the greater Israel phase where they're talking about just like
Speaker 3: you're talking about Israel as this as a state that's
Speaker 3: supposed to like encompass like all of Lebanon again, like
Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen so many different maps like encompassing
Speaker 3: a bunch of partial Syria.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and this is also what's influenced their
Speaker 1: continued attacks in the West Bank, specifically in the past
Speaker 1: few months, where they're similarly using what's going on in Gaza,
Speaker 1: like hiding behind their own atrocities in Gaza as a
Speaker 1: cover to like try to actually claim more territory in
Speaker 1: the West Bank, or at least at least push more
Speaker 1: of like the Palestinian people out of their homes to
Speaker 1: expand the Israeli settlements. So I think both of these
Speaker 1: are kind of happening for similar reasons. And Israel's trying
Speaker 1: to like just weaponize the actual atrocities that are going
Speaker 1: on in Gaza as a big shield because those are
Speaker 1: getting so much more attention. Trying to get away with
Speaker 1: this territorial expansion in other areas, not just the Strip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean also I should say that there's
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the people on the
Speaker 3: ground are pretty convinced that the Israelis are trying to
Speaker 3: basically just like completely ethnically cleanse like parts of.
Speaker 2: The Strip so they can annex it.
Speaker 3: And I mean it's not something that we like have,
Speaker 3: like we don't have like a document from Israeli High
Speaker 3: command that says we're going to annex all of this stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's it's something that's very least consistent with everything
Speaker 3: they've been doing. And this is also like another sort
Speaker 3: of one of the cyclical factors here. This is a
Speaker 3: cyclical factor behind the settlements. We've talked about this back
Speaker 3: when we did episodes about the West Bank, is that
Speaker 3: the Israelly housing market is such a fucking disaster. And
Speaker 3: this this is something that you know, like this kind
Speaker 3: of real estate speculation shape. And in the same way
Speaker 3: that like George Washington, as a real estate speculator was
Speaker 3: was sort of like motivated to do more attacks on
Speaker 3: an indigenous land in the US, and this sort of
Speaker 3: like field westward expansion is all these land speculators, you know,
Speaker 3: moved out, and people who couldn't afford like houses in
Speaker 3: like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem where housing prices are really high.
Speaker 3: Those people have become this political force to keep pushing
Speaker 3: this and this is you know, just fueling the expansion
Speaker 3: of the Israeli occupation into more and more places.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So right now, where we're at with Lebanon is that
Speaker 3: one point two million people have fled their homes, which
Speaker 3: is I mean, even if like the Israelis had literally
Speaker 3: done nothing else in the entire time that this has
Speaker 3: been happening, right, forcing one point two million people to
Speaker 3: flee their homes, is it an unimaginable level of suffering.
Speaker 3: And this is like just effectively being reported as a
Speaker 3: footnote in the fact that they've fucking done all of
Speaker 3: this other shit.
Speaker 1: And just in the past week and a half, they've
Speaker 1: killed thirteen hundred people. Yeah, it's insane, And like that's
Speaker 1: more than the number of people who were killed in
Speaker 1: Israel on October like seventh. Yeah, that just doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because of because of like all of the racialized aspects
Speaker 1: of how of how like israel genocide campaign has been
Speaker 1: able to operate, Like you're not going to see memorials
Speaker 1: in the States or the thirteen for the thirteen hundred
Speaker 1: people killed in Lebanon, the same way that we will
Speaker 1: for October seventh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might get them on a college campus for
Speaker 3: the cops destroy it.
Speaker 1: But like that's and that's just in one week.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 1: They've done over a thousand air strikes the past week.
Speaker 1: They've killed all these people, and that's I don't yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to close by on a slightly lighter
Speaker 3: note from this one of the like even by Trump's standards,
Speaker 3: an extremely weird quote that he gave we Gaza. This
Speaker 3: is from The Guardian. Quote asked by Hewitt, which is
Speaker 3: a guy whose podcast he was on, if Gaza could
Speaker 3: be transformed into Monaco if properly rebuilt, Trump replied, quote,
Speaker 3: it could be better than Monaco. It has the best
Speaker 3: location in the Middle East, the best water, the best everything.
Speaker 3: It's got it it's the best. I've said for years.
Speaker 3: I've been there, and it's rough. It's a rough place.
Speaker 3: Before all the attacks and back and forth it's happened
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. He went on, I
Speaker 3: mean they have the back of a plant facing the ocean.
Speaker 3: You know, there was no ocean as far as that
Speaker 3: was concerned. They never took advantage of it. You know,
Speaker 3: as a developer. It could be the most beautiful place,
Speaker 3: the weather, the water, the whole thing in the climate.
Speaker 3: It was so beautiful, it could be the best thing
Speaker 3: in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's in line with stuff that Kushner has
Speaker 1: been saying for a long time and how they are
Speaker 1: hoping to turn Gaza into a part of Israel, specifically
Speaker 1: to do real estate development, to turn it into like
Speaker 1: a resort, to turn it into a golf course, and
Speaker 1: they're willing to kill tens of thousands of people to
Speaker 1: do it. And that is like the primary driver at
Speaker 1: least like for them, for like Trump's team, for why
Speaker 1: they are they're very happy to see in NATANYAHUU just
Speaker 1: do whatever he wants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think there's something else here, which is
Speaker 3: that like a lot of the kind of Marxist analysis
Speaker 3: of this from like a very sutent kind of Marxist
Speaker 3: has been about how Palestine has been rendered as like
Speaker 3: surplus population. This is the population that has been kicked
Speaker 3: out of the circuit of a capital accumulation they're not
Speaker 3: necessary for capital to reproduce itself to make more capital,
Speaker 3: and so no one cares if you kill them. And
Speaker 3: I think that's wrong, and I think this quote is
Speaker 3: actually evidence of why they're wrong. Like this, You know,
Speaker 3: these people think purely, and like people like Trump right,
Speaker 3: think purely in terms of economic assets, and there are
Speaker 3: there's an unbelievable amount of economic assets, like in Palestine
Speaker 3: that a regime that is like maybe only thirty percent less,
Speaker 3: like hideously cruel and murderous, like could have turned into
Speaker 3: viable economic engines. But the Israelis don't want that. They
Speaker 3: have made a decision, like an actual conscious decision that
Speaker 3: instead of trying to expect people for labor, they'd rather
Speaker 3: just fucking kill them all and try to steal their land.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: They have decided that this fucking real estate speculation bullshit
Speaker 3: on a bunch of land that they're taking by just
Speaker 3: fucking slaughtering all of its inhabitants is more efficient for
Speaker 3: them than even doing fucking regular capitalism. And that's an
Speaker 3: absolutely fucking hideous note. And it's the kind of thing
Speaker 3: that Biden is saying, okay too, and Trump fucking loves
Speaker 3: because fundamentally, like Trump's fucking real estate brain, is pro
Speaker 3: genocide and Biden doesn't give a shit about stopping them,
Speaker 3: and he's also pro this. So yeah, the gears of
Speaker 3: genocide continue to grind. These Reelis are plotting their attack
Speaker 3: against Iran that they're going to do in response to
Speaker 3: Ron shooting missiles at them, in response to them killing
Speaker 3: the leader of Festivo La. I don't know by the
Speaker 3: time this comes out, it's possible that attack will have happened.
Speaker 2: They're going to do something. It's going to make everything worse.
Speaker 3: But yeah, until then, this has been an update on
Speaker 3: the genocide and Palestine and the new invasion of Lebanon.
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