WEBVTT - Israel Invades Lebanon & Other Horrors 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 All Zone Media. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.640 It's it could happen here. It's the podcast. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.080 I didn't write an intro for this because everything, everything 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.680 incredibly sucks. This is the podcast where bad things happen. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.240 I'm your host with me as Garrison. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.240 Yeah, it's been a lot of bad things the past week, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.440 past year, but the past week and a half it's 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:26.240 been pretty bad. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:27.120 Yeah. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.080 And one of the things that's been very bad is 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.919 literally everything Israel has been up to, like I mean, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.000 since it was founded, but the last three four weeks 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.479 somehow things have gotten worse, which is a sort of 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.919 unbelievable thing to say about a genocide, but it's expanding. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.159 So yeah, there is at the end of this one 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.879 of the most bizarre trunk quotes I've ever seen. So 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.000 that's my promise to you to stick with this. But 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.040 oh boy, everything is very very bad. So we now 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.600 have I guess I don't even know if French is 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.000 the right way to talk about this, but what we 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.720 have in Gaza, which is where the main Israeli offensive 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.120 is going right now, well we'll get into that. There's 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.399 a bunch of stuff in Lebanon too, where they're pulling 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:20.360 troops to but in Gaza, everything just continues to get worse, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.120 even though so these Raelis have pulled out some troops 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.800 from Gaza, but they're also still making another offensive into 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.240 northern Gaza. And the thing about the way that the 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.319 Israelis make offensive into places is that the thing that 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.240 the Israelis do is they just immediately start shooting at hospitals. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.040 So that's been a big part of what's happening. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.680 Something that used to be like controversial and like widely news, 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.640 where the a year ago at taxon hospitals now have 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.559 become so normalized, to be sensitized that it doesn't even 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.880 make headlines, which that's been one of the most indicative 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.400 factors that this has gone about as bad as it 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.640 could have. I remember a year ago, we were like 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.520 debating whether or not the Israeli military intentionally like struck 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.040 a hospital, and this was like this was like a 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.200 week's long debate trying to figure out what exactly happened. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.799 And now attacks on hospitals are just complete commonplace. It's 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.279 like we've just totally lost. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.040 Yeah, And I mean, you know, like it's not even 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.239 just that that the Israelis are deliberately targeting hospitals, it's 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.880 that the temporary facilities people have been trying to set 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.399 up because the hospitals are being blown up are also being. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.280 Attacked, Yeah, which has also been going on for ages, yeah, 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.560 almost a year now, like almost immediately as soon as 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.920 like humanitarian aid and like and like like impromptu medical 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.320 tents were set up, those were also the targets. And 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:45.720 this is also just continued. 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:46.720 Yeah. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.720 And I think the thing that's you know, it's bleak 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.960 about it, right is like, I mean, I mean, it's 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.160 not the thing. The thing that's bleak about it is 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.840 that they're blowing up hospitals. But I mean, we've reached 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.520 a point into this where it's not even user but 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:03.080 be the Israelis don't even like attempt to justify it anymore. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.360 I mean, if you if you remember a year ago 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.320 when they were doing this, it'd be all of the 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.320 stuff about how, oh we found homas tunnels under the hospitals, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.120 and there's just not. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:12.840 E vent anymore. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.440 They're just they're just shooting at hospitals. Sometimes they give 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.080 evacuation orders. They've been That's the other thing that's been 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:24.560 happening periodically is the Israelis keep basically you know, in 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.320 places in northern Gaza. They'll be like, everyone has to 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.880 leave now, and then they'll bombit it and they'll keep 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.720 bombing it. Part of the thing about covering Gaza right 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.840 is all of the stuff that we're saying is stuff 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.360 that was a major news story like six months ago 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.160 and is no longer a major news story because the 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.640 slaughter has become just sort of so rutinized. But you know, 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:51.200 so people are fleeing from northern Gaza into what's supposed 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.560 to be the safe zone in central Gaza, except the 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.520 Israelis keep shooting at their refugee camps in central Gaza, 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:03.600 so it's not actually there's there's not actually a place 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:09.320 you can be in Gaza where you're not getting bombed. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.880 What there is is some places sometimes are less bond 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:18.360 than other places. And you know, I think there had 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:23.360 been a tiny amount of hope that the only conceivable 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.640 upside about the invasion lebanonmal that the would be a 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.760 pull out of troops and we'd see less offensive, But 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.000 you know, they've just been escalating bombing campaigns and are 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.240 doing some offensive anyways. So yeah, there's there's there's continuingly 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.200 sort of is really attacks into into Partian North and Gaza. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.080 The other big thing, and this is what most of 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.320 this episode is going to be about, is a new 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.880 front after already having like having this entire thing in Gaza. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.159 There was also like an invasion of the West Bank, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.600 which again is like, I don't know how to express 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.520 how insane it is to have a war where you're 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:01.040 nominally fighting against Hamas and then invade the West Bank, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.920 a place where there isn't Hamas. But they've done that too. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.600 There's been parts of the West Bank, there's been a 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.560 bunch of really troops and you know, we know they've 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.320 been fighting in Yemen as much bombings in Yemen, but 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.920 also now they've just straight up invaded Lebanon. And this 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.640 is the sort of chain of events of this was 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.400 I don't know if kicked off is the right word, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.480 but it was. It was dramatically accelerated by the assassination 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.440 of Fassan Nosraala, who is I think most. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.479 People are aware that he's the head of Hesbalon. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.040 Has been the head of his blow since like nineteen 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.360 ninety two, which is longer than anyone who's on this 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:38.840 episode right now has been alive. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.839 Was this the one who was killed in those like 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.960 apartment like carpet carpet bombings. Yeah yeah, so I mean yeah, 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:50.200 even still, assassination is a strong word for or I 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.240 guess a light word for just bombing. Like it was 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.120 like what three large apartment complexes. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.680 Yeah, they just obliterated a bunch of complexes with like 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.359 something like eighty bunker busters. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.200 Yeah. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.919 So this is actually the second time that the Israelis 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.640 have just straight up killed someone they were supposed to 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.640 nominally be negotiating with. They killed the head of Hamas 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.840 like in Iran. So you know, we talked about on 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.839 this show the initial wave of attacks on Lebanon, which 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.760 is the sort of the Pager explosions, and the fallow 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.560 up to the Pager explosions was that they figured out 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.799 what bunker that ISRAELA was in and they just killed him. 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.080 This is extremely bad for a lot of reasons, one 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:38.400 of which is that has blawed kind of hadn't really 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.599 been on full war footing until this point. Like they've 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.000 been doing a bunch of rocket attacks on northern Israel, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.160 right and there've been these sort of exchanges of rocket 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.680 fire across the border, but they hadn't really escalated beyond that. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.000 And then the Israelis were like, well, just fuck it, okay, 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.359 we want our invasion of Lebanon, and Raala was kind 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.840 of like, I don't know if like auderating force is 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.520 quite the right term here, but his policy wasn't that 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.920 Hesbolah was going to fight a total war against Israel, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.280 and the Israeli just fucking murdered him anyways, So we 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.240 should probably talk about who Nocerala is. He's not from 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:18.000 like the original Hesbela cadres from from the original lebaneseivil 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.440 war when it emerges is an eighty two. He's not 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:24.040 from that cadre, but he's a pretty old school Hesbola 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.000 guy by this point. He's you know, I've talking about 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.440 like he's been in charge of Hesbelag for fucking ever. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.200 Like I am not old enough to remember a time 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.160 when he was not in charge of Hesblah because I 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.000 wasn't born yet, I don't know. He's he's one of 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:41.120 the people who's seen Hesbelah's sort of expansion and also 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:46.280 seen Hesbelod be able to be like the only of 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.120 the sort of major Lebanese political parties who are in 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.080 the negotiations to end the civil war. He kind of 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.080 oversaw the process of Hesblah being like the only armed 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.080 party like left in in Lebanon other than like the 0:07:59.120 --> 0:07:59.920 regular army. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:00.360 Right. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.840 He was also very famously in charge of Hesbela's I 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.080 don't know how exactly you wanted. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:07.560 I don't know. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.800 There's a whole bunch of stuff about how the war 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.680 in two thousand and six started. But in two thousand 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.400 and six Israel made this attempt to sort of like 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.160 do their big antie Hesbelah push. They invaded Lebanon, and 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.840 Israel didn't do very well. They were expecting and I 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.800 think what most people were expecting has Bla to fight like, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.440 you know, like a gorilla army right doing hit a 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.960 run attacks, doing doing the sort of like the whole 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.600 sort of last century of gorilla hit and run campaigns. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.000 And they didn't do that. They basically they sat there. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.600 It fought like a conventional army with a bunch of 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.280 bunker networks. And the Israelis did extremely poorly in that war. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.520 And I think this is influenced a lot of the 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.760 way that people were thinking about how this how this 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:52.200 fight was going to work, and it hasn't. But you 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.280 know the fact that I was able to sort of 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.199 stave off the initial attack, and then the Israelis spent 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.720 like forty more days doing a bombing campaign and everyone 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.360 just called it quits. Was absolutely huge for Hesbelaws a 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.760 political force. Unfortunately for them, I guess they burned an 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.040 unbelievable amount of that political capital that they'd gotten from 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.520 being really the first people in a long time to 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.560 like actually be able to viably claim that they defeated Israel. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.520 And I mean, it's obviously like both both sides of 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.320 that declared victory, but Hesbelood puts up a better fight 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.760 against the Israelis, and like it's like stops their ground 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:33.120 advance in a way that like was almost unimaginable at 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.560 that point. Even though Hesbola had sort of fought pretty 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.000 well during the Lebanies of the world, is better than 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.439 most of the other sort of like anti Israeli factions 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.240 that weren't a state, and even I mean even most 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.120 of the states that have fought issue have done extremely poorly. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.439 We're going to go to ads and then when we 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.560 come back, we're going to talk a bit about how 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.560 has Blood's position weakened and how the Israelis have just 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.360 sort of decided that this is a moment they can. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:57.360 Just murder everyone in. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.360 So we are back with more I guess, very very 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.199 short summary of what has been up to over the 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:20.560 last about thirty years. So part of the reason that 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.800 things haven't been going enormously well for HESBLA is that 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.360 a lot of their capacity was weakened by the fact 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.640 that HESBA law during the Ausurian Civil War through their 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.720 entire backing behind the SOD And this was like hideously 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.480 unpopular for I think, I think reasons that are obvious 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.600 most people listening, But one of the big ones is 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:49.719 it's hideously unpopular in like in Palestine, God I Thine 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.240 who ran the poll, but there so there's a very 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.360 famous pole that was showing like the disapproval rating in 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.920 paleside different world leaders. I mean, they didn't pull in 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.560 that in Yahoo because obviously, like isn't that Yahoo, But 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.240 like the two highest ones that weren't at Yahoo, where 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.280 it was like Biden at eighty percent, and then slightly 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.440 higher than Biden was Bashar al Assad because he is 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.880 hideously unpopular, partially for a bunch of shit that he 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.560 did in a very very large palasinine refugee camp there 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.600 that you know, has belat fucking backed them for and 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.239 so has well spent a lot of the last decade 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.680 just sort of running around Syria backing the Assaud machime 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.440 and that I don't know, Garrison, I that doesn't make 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.000 you popular anywhere other than like extremely weird sections. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.440 Of the American left. Yeah, I mean, I guess some 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:37.280 of the American right. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.400 When you're backing a guy who is just like who 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.040 is doing a thing the israelis due like obviously on 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.640 a smaller scale, but like shooting up like Palsaden refugee camp, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.480 He's not going to be normally popular. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:52.280 Whenever there's a guy who's like seriously maimed your family members, Yeah, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.240 it's pretty pretty easy to dislike him. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.079 Yeah, and like whatever things that's going on in the 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.920 story that like we need a fucking seven depart episode 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:05.560 to talk about. But Syria occupied a bunch of Lebanon 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.280 for a long time, and that also like hasn't made 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.080 him enormously popular in the region. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.200 But you know, Heslo's. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.440 Position is that they had like they have the slogan 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.640 that goes the road to Jerusalem runs to a Lepo, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.920 which is just like just not how any of this 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:22.920 has worked, it's been a complete fiasco, has lost. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.320 Performance in Syria hasn't been very good. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.240 And it can explain what that phrase means. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:30.920 Yeah. Yeah, So so the point of this basically was 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.200 that in order to defeat the Zionists through some incredibly 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.560 murky logic, like the Asade regime had to be kept 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.600 in power, and this was this was a sort of 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.600 the justification that was used by Hesbela to just send 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.760 a bunch of troops there to coordinate with a bunch 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.800 of other different groups there. And I mean, like it's 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.040 it's a really terrible decision, both on a moral and 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.160 a strategic level, in the sense that like it caused 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.480 a rift between what it's supposed to be the resistance 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.680 factions in Palestine, and it just killed a bunch of people. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.240 And like the Iranians are sending I don't actually know 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:04.600 howny people know about the story, but one of the 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.040 like terrifying things that's happening in this is that there's 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.680 a bunch of refugees from Afghanistan you flee to Iran, 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.840 and the Iranians like basically conscrict a bunch of these 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.920 people and send them into Syria with rifles. So it's 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.120 like these people are like fighting alongside has balon Hesla. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.360 They don't do great because Hezeblah has always been good 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.240 at fighting like fairly obviously morally justified defensive wars inside 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.479 of Lebanon. And then they go off and fight basically 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.640 like a semi imperial war in Syria. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.640 It's fucking shit show. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.360 And this has been extremely bad for their capacity and 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.040 it also really hurt has Blot politically because again it 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.120 was also very very unpopular in Lebanon. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.319 And this kind of all leads us. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.600 To the last few weeks of like terrible shit that's 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:59.240 been happening, where yeah, these Reeli's just fucking launched this 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.280 hideous bombing campaign, I mean just really just all over Lebanon, right, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:06.439 you know, most of the most of the reporting has 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.480 been about their attacks in the south, but like they've 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.640 bombed the capital, they've bombed Tripoli, they've killed I think 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.600 so far it's one of these things where the death 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.000 counts kind of have stopped updating, but in the last 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.560 few days it looks like they've killed about two thousand people. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.920 It's not enormously clear, but yeah, things that things have 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:32.720 gotten extremely unbelievably bad. And this has also really, I 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.720 think been a kind of mask off moment for both 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.840 the US and the Israelis, where all of the things 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.160 that they've been pretending for the last year, they've just 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.440 straight up saying that they don't believe anymore. I think 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.200 that the best indicator of this is there's a White 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.360 House press conference and Matthew Miller, who's one of the 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.480 White House spokesperson answered a question about, yeah, it's just 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.760 about the conflicts, and he said, quote, yes, we do 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.880 so port Israel launching these incursions to degrade has blows infrastructure, 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.680 which like kind of sounds like a standard like the 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.160 US word Israel thing, But if you actually read into 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.560 what that's saying, he's saying the US's official position is 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.520 no longer ret there trying to get a ceasefire, right, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.440 That's that's what he's saying. This is immediate and active 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.400 support for the israelis not not only not attempting to 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.280 end the war, but expanding it into Lebanon. And this 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.520 is something that like hadn't been in an explicit like 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.000 war goal for for Israel sort of until this point. 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.720 The line had always been that the point of this 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.760 was to bring back the hostages, right, but like there's 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.080 no fucking hostages in Lebanon, Like there isn't there just aren't. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.720 Right, That's that's not how any of this works. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.680 And at this point all of the sort of pretenses 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.040 falling away and it it just degrading into this pure slaughter. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.160 And when we when we come back from this ADS, 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.680 we're gonna wrap up with more stuff that mostly sucks. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:06.160 And also Trump's latest thing on this, which is very weird. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:11.800 We are back. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.720 So as this has been going on in the past 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.400 couple of days, Netanyahu posted a I don't even know 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.960 how to describe it, one of the weirdest videos I've 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.200 seen since like that insane Kevin Bacon won. That's just 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:30.680 him threatening Lebanon. He says, quote, you have an opportunity 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.120 to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.640 a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.680 like we see in Gaza. She's just straight up threatening Lebanon. 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.040 As as Israeli troops are moving across the borders or 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.280 shoes for occupying or tempted occupied cities. He's just straight 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:50.600 up saying, like Lebanon needs to just throw out Hesbela somehow, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.160 even though it's just like a political party. They need 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.680 to completely destroy Hesbela somehow Otherwise Israel is going to 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.880 do to Lebanon when they've done to Gaza, and that, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.840 I don't know is a unbelievably hideous expansion of the war. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.119 Could you give some context for like why Israel is 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.160 making moves into Lebanon. We know like their targeting has 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:16.320 been but there's also like a degree of territorial dispute 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.879 over where Israel ends and Lebanon begins. Yeah, that Israel 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.640 has been kind of like wanting to increase tensions over 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.320 for a while, and it feels like they're just using 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.480 the war in Gaza as a cover to also try 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.280 to claim like territory of southern Lebanon. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.320 Yeah, And I mean this gets into so I think 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.719 there's three kind of reasons, and I think that are 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.679 all overlapping factors for different groups of people, you know, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.720 because like different Israeli political factions, different sort of strategic 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.040 like elements of the military set, etc. Are doing things 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.000 for sometimes overlapping sometimes different reasons. Like there's the obvious one, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.359 which is like, Okay, there's a dislike for has blawed. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.400 That's been funneled because a bunch of people in settlements 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.960 in northern Israell have been like have been evacuated because 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.520 they keep getting bombed, right, and those people are unbelievably 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.480 pissed off, and they've been pushing for this for a 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.040 long time. There's the second one, which is I think 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.120 the one that liberals use as is like the excuse 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.000 for the entire the entire genocide was wrong. But it 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.879 is also true that net and Yahoo does like personally 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.000 need this war to keep going because the moment the war. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.680 Stops, he's gone, He's screwed. Yeah. 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:24.719 Yeah, So like that that's a personal extentive for net 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.919 and Yahu. There's also another one outside of the political 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.720 pressure from from the northern settlers and you know, the 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.800 general idea has bluffing and net Yahoo personally, which is 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.920 like is really so doas have always been. It's it's 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.440 most extreme, like most sort of far right, most genocidal 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.160 like political element right. But increasingly we're watching them get 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.360 radicalized even further in real time, and we're watching them 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.680 become increasingly powerful. And one of the things that those 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.439 people want is they have this unbelievably deranged thing that 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.800 I mean, I guess all nationalist movements eventually get to 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.960 there greater whatever your country is thing, But they've entered 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.280 the greater Israel phase where they're talking about just like 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.920 you're talking about Israel as this as a state that's 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.520 supposed to like encompass like all of Lebanon again, like 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.480 I mean, I've seen so many different maps like encompassing 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:14.560 a bunch of partial Syria. 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.360 Well, I mean, and this is also what's influenced their 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.920 continued attacks in the West Bank, specifically in the past 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.560 few months, where they're similarly using what's going on in Gaza, 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.520 like hiding behind their own atrocities in Gaza as a 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:31.040 cover to like try to actually claim more territory in 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.840 the West Bank, or at least at least push more 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.720 of like the Palestinian people out of their homes to 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.600 expand the Israeli settlements. So I think both of these 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:45.040 are kind of happening for similar reasons. And Israel's trying 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.240 to like just weaponize the actual atrocities that are going 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.840 on in Gaza as a big shield because those are 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.199 getting so much more attention. Trying to get away with 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.240 this territorial expansion in other areas, not just the Strip. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.240 Yeah, And I mean also I should say that there's 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.719 a lot of a lot of the people on the 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.560 ground are pretty convinced that the Israelis are trying to 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.800 basically just like completely ethnically cleanse like parts of. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.040 The Strip so they can annex it. 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:17.400 And I mean it's not something that we like have, 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.920 like we don't have like a document from Israeli High 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.600 command that says we're going to annex all of this stuff, 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.119 but it's it's something that's very least consistent with everything 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.160 they've been doing. And this is also like another sort 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:31.680 of one of the cyclical factors here. This is a 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.560 cyclical factor behind the settlements. We've talked about this back 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.800 when we did episodes about the West Bank, is that 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.880 the Israelly housing market is such a fucking disaster. And 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.520 this this is something that you know, like this kind 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.760 of real estate speculation shape. And in the same way 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:50.000 that like George Washington, as a real estate speculator was 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.480 was sort of like motivated to do more attacks on 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.440 an indigenous land in the US, and this sort of 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.600 like field westward expansion is all these land speculators, you know, 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.639 moved out, and people who couldn't afford like houses in 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.280 like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem where housing prices are really high. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.280 Those people have become this political force to keep pushing 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.720 this and this is you know, just fueling the expansion 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.880 of the Israeli occupation into more and more places. 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:15.000 Yeah. 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.880 So right now, where we're at with Lebanon is that 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.560 one point two million people have fled their homes, which 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.800 is I mean, even if like the Israelis had literally 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.399 done nothing else in the entire time that this has 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.320