1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: All Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: It's it could happen here. It's the podcast. 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: I didn't write an intro for this because everything, everything 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: incredibly sucks. This is the podcast where bad things happen. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 3: I'm your host with me as Garrison. 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a lot of bad things the past week, 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: past year, but the past week and a half it's 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: been pretty bad. 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: And one of the things that's been very bad is 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 3: literally everything Israel has been up to, like I mean, 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: since it was founded, but the last three four weeks 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: somehow things have gotten worse, which is a sort of 14 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 3: unbelievable thing to say about a genocide, but it's expanding. 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: So yeah, there is at the end of this one 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: of the most bizarre trunk quotes I've ever seen. So 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: that's my promise to you to stick with this. But 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: oh boy, everything is very very bad. So we now 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: have I guess I don't even know if French is 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: the right way to talk about this, but what we 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: have in Gaza, which is where the main Israeli offensive 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: is going right now, well we'll get into that. There's 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff in Lebanon too, where they're pulling 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: troops to but in Gaza, everything just continues to get worse, 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 3: even though so these Raelis have pulled out some troops 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: from Gaza, but they're also still making another offensive into 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: northern Gaza. And the thing about the way that the 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: Israelis make offensive into places is that the thing that 29 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: the Israelis do is they just immediately start shooting at hospitals. 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: So that's been a big part of what's happening. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: Something that used to be like controversial and like widely news, 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: where the a year ago at taxon hospitals now have 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: become so normalized, to be sensitized that it doesn't even 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: make headlines, which that's been one of the most indicative 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: factors that this has gone about as bad as it 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: could have. I remember a year ago, we were like 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: debating whether or not the Israeli military intentionally like struck 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: a hospital, and this was like this was like a 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: week's long debate trying to figure out what exactly happened. 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: And now attacks on hospitals are just complete commonplace. It's 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,279 Speaker 1: like we've just totally lost. 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, you know, like it's not even 43 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 3: just that that the Israelis are deliberately targeting hospitals, it's 44 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: that the temporary facilities people have been trying to set 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 3: up because the hospitals are being blown up are also being. 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Attacked, Yeah, which has also been going on for ages, yeah, 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: almost a year now, like almost immediately as soon as 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: like humanitarian aid and like and like like impromptu medical 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: tents were set up, those were also the targets. And 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: this is also just continued. 51 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: And I think the thing that's you know, it's bleak 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: about it, right is like, I mean, I mean, it's 54 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: not the thing. The thing that's bleak about it is 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: that they're blowing up hospitals. But I mean, we've reached 56 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: a point into this where it's not even user but 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: be the Israelis don't even like attempt to justify it anymore. 58 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you remember a year ago 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: when they were doing this, it'd be all of the 60 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: stuff about how, oh we found homas tunnels under the hospitals, 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: and there's just not. 62 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: E vent anymore. 63 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: They're just they're just shooting at hospitals. Sometimes they give 64 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: evacuation orders. They've been That's the other thing that's been 65 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: happening periodically is the Israelis keep basically you know, in 66 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: places in northern Gaza. They'll be like, everyone has to 67 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: leave now, and then they'll bombit it and they'll keep 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: bombing it. Part of the thing about covering Gaza right 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: is all of the stuff that we're saying is stuff 70 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: that was a major news story like six months ago 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: and is no longer a major news story because the 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: slaughter has become just sort of so rutinized. But you know, 73 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: so people are fleeing from northern Gaza into what's supposed 74 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: to be the safe zone in central Gaza, except the 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: Israelis keep shooting at their refugee camps in central Gaza, 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: so it's not actually there's there's not actually a place 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: you can be in Gaza where you're not getting bombed. 78 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: What there is is some places sometimes are less bond 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: than other places. And you know, I think there had 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 3: been a tiny amount of hope that the only conceivable 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: upside about the invasion lebanonmal that the would be a 82 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: pull out of troops and we'd see less offensive, But 83 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: you know, they've just been escalating bombing campaigns and are 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: doing some offensive anyways. So yeah, there's there's there's continuingly 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: sort of is really attacks into into Partian North and Gaza. 86 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: The other big thing, and this is what most of 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: this episode is going to be about, is a new 88 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: front after already having like having this entire thing in Gaza. 89 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: There was also like an invasion of the West Bank, 90 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: which again is like, I don't know how to express 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: how insane it is to have a war where you're 92 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: nominally fighting against Hamas and then invade the West Bank, 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: a place where there isn't Hamas. But they've done that too. 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 3: There's been parts of the West Bank, there's been a 95 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: bunch of really troops and you know, we know they've 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: been fighting in Yemen as much bombings in Yemen, but 97 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: also now they've just straight up invaded Lebanon. And this 98 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: is the sort of chain of events of this was 99 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if kicked off is the right word, 100 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: but it was. It was dramatically accelerated by the assassination 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: of Fassan Nosraala, who is I think most. 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: People are aware that he's the head of Hesbalon. 103 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: Has been the head of his blow since like nineteen 104 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: ninety two, which is longer than anyone who's on this 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: episode right now has been alive. 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: Was this the one who was killed in those like 107 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: apartment like carpet carpet bombings. Yeah yeah, so I mean yeah, 108 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: even still, assassination is a strong word for or I 109 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: guess a light word for just bombing. Like it was 110 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: like what three large apartment complexes. 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, they just obliterated a bunch of complexes with like 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: something like eighty bunker busters. 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 114 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 3: So this is actually the second time that the Israelis 115 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: have just straight up killed someone they were supposed to 116 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: nominally be negotiating with. They killed the head of Hamas 117 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: like in Iran. So you know, we talked about on 118 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: this show the initial wave of attacks on Lebanon, which 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: is the sort of the Pager explosions, and the fallow 120 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: up to the Pager explosions was that they figured out 121 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: what bunker that ISRAELA was in and they just killed him. 122 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: This is extremely bad for a lot of reasons, one 123 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: of which is that has blawed kind of hadn't really 124 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: been on full war footing until this point. Like they've 125 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: been doing a bunch of rocket attacks on northern Israel, 126 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: right and there've been these sort of exchanges of rocket 127 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: fire across the border, but they hadn't really escalated beyond that. 128 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: And then the Israelis were like, well, just fuck it, okay, 129 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 3: we want our invasion of Lebanon, and Raala was kind 130 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: of like, I don't know if like auderating force is 131 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: quite the right term here, but his policy wasn't that 132 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: Hesbolah was going to fight a total war against Israel, 133 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: and the Israeli just fucking murdered him anyways, So we 134 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: should probably talk about who Nocerala is. He's not from 135 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: like the original Hesbela cadres from from the original lebaneseivil 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: war when it emerges is an eighty two. He's not 137 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: from that cadre, but he's a pretty old school Hesbola 138 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: guy by this point. He's you know, I've talking about 139 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: like he's been in charge of Hesbelag for fucking ever. 140 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: Like I am not old enough to remember a time 141 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: when he was not in charge of Hesblah because I 142 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: wasn't born yet, I don't know. He's he's one of 143 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: the people who's seen Hesbelah's sort of expansion and also 144 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: seen Hesbelod be able to be like the only of 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: the sort of major Lebanese political parties who are in 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: the negotiations to end the civil war. He kind of 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: oversaw the process of Hesblah being like the only armed 148 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: party like left in in Lebanon other than like the 149 00:07:59,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: regular army. 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Right. 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: He was also very famously in charge of Hesbela's I 152 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: don't know how exactly you wanted. 153 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 154 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of stuff about how the war 155 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: in two thousand and six started. But in two thousand 156 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: and six Israel made this attempt to sort of like 157 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: do their big antie Hesbelah push. They invaded Lebanon, and 158 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: Israel didn't do very well. They were expecting and I 159 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: think what most people were expecting has Bla to fight like, 160 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: you know, like a gorilla army right doing hit a 161 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: run attacks, doing doing the sort of like the whole 162 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: sort of last century of gorilla hit and run campaigns. 163 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: And they didn't do that. They basically they sat there. 164 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: It fought like a conventional army with a bunch of 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: bunker networks. And the Israelis did extremely poorly in that war. 166 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: And I think this is influenced a lot of the 167 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: way that people were thinking about how this how this 168 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: fight was going to work, and it hasn't. But you 169 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: know the fact that I was able to sort of 170 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 3: stave off the initial attack, and then the Israelis spent 171 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: like forty more days doing a bombing campaign and everyone 172 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: just called it quits. Was absolutely huge for Hesbelaws a 173 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: political force. Unfortunately for them, I guess they burned an 174 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: unbelievable amount of that political capital that they'd gotten from 175 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: being really the first people in a long time to 176 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: like actually be able to viably claim that they defeated Israel. 177 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 3: And I mean, it's obviously like both both sides of 178 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: that declared victory, but Hesbelood puts up a better fight 179 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: against the Israelis, and like it's like stops their ground 180 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: advance in a way that like was almost unimaginable at 181 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: that point. Even though Hesbola had sort of fought pretty 182 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: well during the Lebanies of the world, is better than 183 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 3: most of the other sort of like anti Israeli factions 184 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: that weren't a state, and even I mean even most 185 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: of the states that have fought issue have done extremely poorly. 186 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: We're going to go to ads and then when we 187 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: come back, we're going to talk a bit about how 188 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: has Blood's position weakened and how the Israelis have just 189 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: sort of decided that this is a moment they can. 190 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: Just murder everyone in. 191 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: So we are back with more I guess, very very 192 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 3: short summary of what has been up to over the 193 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: last about thirty years. So part of the reason that 194 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: things haven't been going enormously well for HESBLA is that 195 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: a lot of their capacity was weakened by the fact 196 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: that HESBA law during the Ausurian Civil War through their 197 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: entire backing behind the SOD And this was like hideously 198 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: unpopular for I think, I think reasons that are obvious 199 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: most people listening, But one of the big ones is 200 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 3: it's hideously unpopular in like in Palestine, God I Thine 201 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: who ran the poll, but there so there's a very 202 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: famous pole that was showing like the disapproval rating in 203 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: paleside different world leaders. I mean, they didn't pull in 204 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: that in Yahoo because obviously, like isn't that Yahoo, But 205 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: like the two highest ones that weren't at Yahoo, where 206 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: it was like Biden at eighty percent, and then slightly 207 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: higher than Biden was Bashar al Assad because he is 208 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: hideously unpopular, partially for a bunch of shit that he 209 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: did in a very very large palasinine refugee camp there 210 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: that you know, has belat fucking backed them for and 211 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,239 Speaker 3: so has well spent a lot of the last decade 212 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: just sort of running around Syria backing the Assaud machime 213 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: and that I don't know, Garrison, I that doesn't make 214 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: you popular anywhere other than like extremely weird sections. 215 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: Of the American left. Yeah, I mean, I guess some 216 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: of the American right. 217 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: When you're backing a guy who is just like who 218 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: is doing a thing the israelis due like obviously on 219 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: a smaller scale, but like shooting up like Palsaden refugee camp, 220 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: He's not going to be normally popular. 221 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: Whenever there's a guy who's like seriously maimed your family members, Yeah, 222 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty easy to dislike him. 223 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like whatever things that's going on in the 224 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: story that like we need a fucking seven depart episode 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: to talk about. But Syria occupied a bunch of Lebanon 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: for a long time, and that also like hasn't made 227 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: him enormously popular in the region. 228 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: But you know, Heslo's. 229 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: Position is that they had like they have the slogan 230 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: that goes the road to Jerusalem runs to a Lepo, 231 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: which is just like just not how any of this 232 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: has worked, it's been a complete fiasco, has lost. 233 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: Performance in Syria hasn't been very good. 234 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: And it can explain what that phrase means. 235 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So so the point of this basically was 236 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: that in order to defeat the Zionists through some incredibly 237 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: murky logic, like the Asade regime had to be kept 238 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: in power, and this was this was a sort of 239 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: the justification that was used by Hesbela to just send 240 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: a bunch of troops there to coordinate with a bunch 241 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: of other different groups there. And I mean, like it's 242 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: it's a really terrible decision, both on a moral and 243 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: a strategic level, in the sense that like it caused 244 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: a rift between what it's supposed to be the resistance 245 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: factions in Palestine, and it just killed a bunch of people. 246 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: And like the Iranians are sending I don't actually know 247 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: howny people know about the story, but one of the 248 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: like terrifying things that's happening in this is that there's 249 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: a bunch of refugees from Afghanistan you flee to Iran, 250 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 3: and the Iranians like basically conscrict a bunch of these 251 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: people and send them into Syria with rifles. So it's 252 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: like these people are like fighting alongside has balon Hesla. 253 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: They don't do great because Hezeblah has always been good 254 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: at fighting like fairly obviously morally justified defensive wars inside 255 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,479 Speaker 3: of Lebanon. And then they go off and fight basically 256 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: like a semi imperial war in Syria. 257 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: It's fucking shit show. 258 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: And this has been extremely bad for their capacity and 259 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: it also really hurt has Blot politically because again it 260 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: was also very very unpopular in Lebanon. 261 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: And this kind of all leads us. 262 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: To the last few weeks of like terrible shit that's 263 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: been happening, where yeah, these Reeli's just fucking launched this 264 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: hideous bombing campaign, I mean just really just all over Lebanon, right, 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: you know, most of the most of the reporting has 266 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: been about their attacks in the south, but like they've 267 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: bombed the capital, they've bombed Tripoli, they've killed I think 268 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: so far it's one of these things where the death 269 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: counts kind of have stopped updating, but in the last 270 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: few days it looks like they've killed about two thousand people. 271 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: It's not enormously clear, but yeah, things that things have 272 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: gotten extremely unbelievably bad. And this has also really, I 273 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: think been a kind of mask off moment for both 274 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: the US and the Israelis, where all of the things 275 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: that they've been pretending for the last year, they've just 276 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: straight up saying that they don't believe anymore. I think 277 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: that the best indicator of this is there's a White 278 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 3: House press conference and Matthew Miller, who's one of the 279 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: White House spokesperson answered a question about, yeah, it's just 280 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: about the conflicts, and he said, quote, yes, we do 281 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: so port Israel launching these incursions to degrade has blows infrastructure, 282 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: which like kind of sounds like a standard like the 283 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: US word Israel thing, But if you actually read into 284 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: what that's saying, he's saying the US's official position is 285 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: no longer ret there trying to get a ceasefire, right, 286 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: That's that's what he's saying. This is immediate and active 287 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: support for the israelis not not only not attempting to 288 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: end the war, but expanding it into Lebanon. And this 289 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: is something that like hadn't been in an explicit like 290 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 3: war goal for for Israel sort of until this point. 291 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: The line had always been that the point of this 292 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: was to bring back the hostages, right, but like there's 293 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: no fucking hostages in Lebanon, Like there isn't there just aren't. 294 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: Right, That's that's not how any of this works. 295 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: And at this point all of the sort of pretenses 296 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: falling away and it it just degrading into this pure slaughter. 297 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: And when we when we come back from this ADS, 298 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: we're gonna wrap up with more stuff that mostly sucks. 299 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: And also Trump's latest thing on this, which is very weird. 300 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: We are back. 301 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: So as this has been going on in the past 302 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: couple of days, Netanyahu posted a I don't even know 303 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 3: how to describe it, one of the weirdest videos I've 304 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 3: seen since like that insane Kevin Bacon won. That's just 305 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: him threatening Lebanon. He says, quote, you have an opportunity 306 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of 307 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering 308 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: like we see in Gaza. She's just straight up threatening Lebanon. 309 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: As as Israeli troops are moving across the borders or 310 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: shoes for occupying or tempted occupied cities. He's just straight 311 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: up saying, like Lebanon needs to just throw out Hesbela somehow, 312 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: even though it's just like a political party. They need 313 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: to completely destroy Hesbela somehow Otherwise Israel is going to 314 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: do to Lebanon when they've done to Gaza, and that, 315 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: I don't know is a unbelievably hideous expansion of the war. 316 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: Could you give some context for like why Israel is 317 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: making moves into Lebanon. We know like their targeting has 318 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: been but there's also like a degree of territorial dispute 319 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: over where Israel ends and Lebanon begins. Yeah, that Israel 320 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: has been kind of like wanting to increase tensions over 321 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: for a while, and it feels like they're just using 322 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: the war in Gaza as a cover to also try 323 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: to claim like territory of southern Lebanon. 324 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean this gets into so I think 325 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 3: there's three kind of reasons, and I think that are 326 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 3: all overlapping factors for different groups of people, you know, 327 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: because like different Israeli political factions, different sort of strategic 328 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: like elements of the military set, etc. Are doing things 329 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: for sometimes overlapping sometimes different reasons. Like there's the obvious one, 330 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 3: which is like, Okay, there's a dislike for has blawed. 331 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: That's been funneled because a bunch of people in settlements 332 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: in northern Israell have been like have been evacuated because 333 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: they keep getting bombed, right, and those people are unbelievably 334 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: pissed off, and they've been pushing for this for a 335 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: long time. There's the second one, which is I think 336 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: the one that liberals use as is like the excuse 337 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: for the entire the entire genocide was wrong. But it 338 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: is also true that net and Yahoo does like personally 339 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: need this war to keep going because the moment the war. 340 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: Stops, he's gone, He's screwed. Yeah. 341 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, So like that that's a personal extentive for net 342 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 3: and Yahu. There's also another one outside of the political 343 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: pressure from from the northern settlers and you know, the 344 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: general idea has bluffing and net Yahoo personally, which is 345 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 3: like is really so doas have always been. It's it's 346 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: most extreme, like most sort of far right, most genocidal 347 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: like political element right. But increasingly we're watching them get 348 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 3: radicalized even further in real time, and we're watching them 349 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: become increasingly powerful. And one of the things that those 350 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 3: people want is they have this unbelievably deranged thing that 351 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess all nationalist movements eventually get to 352 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: there greater whatever your country is thing, But they've entered 353 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: the greater Israel phase where they're talking about just like 354 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: you're talking about Israel as this as a state that's 355 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: supposed to like encompass like all of Lebanon again, like 356 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen so many different maps like encompassing 357 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: a bunch of partial Syria. 358 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and this is also what's influenced their 359 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: continued attacks in the West Bank, specifically in the past 360 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: few months, where they're similarly using what's going on in Gaza, 361 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: like hiding behind their own atrocities in Gaza as a 362 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: cover to like try to actually claim more territory in 363 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: the West Bank, or at least at least push more 364 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: of like the Palestinian people out of their homes to 365 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: expand the Israeli settlements. So I think both of these 366 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: are kind of happening for similar reasons. And Israel's trying 367 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: to like just weaponize the actual atrocities that are going 368 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: on in Gaza as a big shield because those are 369 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: getting so much more attention. Trying to get away with 370 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: this territorial expansion in other areas, not just the Strip. 371 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean also I should say that there's 372 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the people on the 373 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: ground are pretty convinced that the Israelis are trying to 374 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: basically just like completely ethnically cleanse like parts of. 375 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: The Strip so they can annex it. 376 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: And I mean it's not something that we like have, 377 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: like we don't have like a document from Israeli High 378 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: command that says we're going to annex all of this stuff, 379 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: but it's it's something that's very least consistent with everything 380 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 3: they've been doing. And this is also like another sort 381 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: of one of the cyclical factors here. This is a 382 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: cyclical factor behind the settlements. We've talked about this back 383 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: when we did episodes about the West Bank, is that 384 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: the Israelly housing market is such a fucking disaster. And 385 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: this this is something that you know, like this kind 386 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: of real estate speculation shape. And in the same way 387 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: that like George Washington, as a real estate speculator was 388 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: was sort of like motivated to do more attacks on 389 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 3: an indigenous land in the US, and this sort of 390 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: like field westward expansion is all these land speculators, you know, 391 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: moved out, and people who couldn't afford like houses in 392 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem where housing prices are really high. 393 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: Those people have become this political force to keep pushing 394 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: this and this is you know, just fueling the expansion 395 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: of the Israeli occupation into more and more places. 396 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 397 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 3: So right now, where we're at with Lebanon is that 398 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: one point two million people have fled their homes, which 399 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: is I mean, even if like the Israelis had literally 400 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 3: done nothing else in the entire time that this has 401 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: been happening, right, forcing one point two million people to 402 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: flee their homes, is it an unimaginable level of suffering. 403 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 3: And this is like just effectively being reported as a 404 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: footnote in the fact that they've fucking done all of 405 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: this other shit. 406 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: And just in the past week and a half, they've 407 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: killed thirteen hundred people. Yeah, it's insane, And like that's 408 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: more than the number of people who were killed in 409 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: Israel on October like seventh. Yeah, that just doesn't matter 410 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: because of because of like all of the racialized aspects 411 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: of how of how like israel genocide campaign has been 412 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: able to operate, Like you're not going to see memorials 413 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: in the States or the thirteen for the thirteen hundred 414 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: people killed in Lebanon, the same way that we will 415 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: for October seventh. 416 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, you might get them on a college campus for 417 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: the cops destroy it. 418 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: But like that's and that's just in one week. 419 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: It's over. 420 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: They've done over a thousand air strikes the past week. 421 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: They've killed all these people, and that's I don't yeah, 422 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. 423 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to close by on a slightly lighter 424 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: note from this one of the like even by Trump's standards, 425 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: an extremely weird quote that he gave we Gaza. This 426 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 3: is from The Guardian. Quote asked by Hewitt, which is 427 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: a guy whose podcast he was on, if Gaza could 428 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 3: be transformed into Monaco if properly rebuilt, Trump replied, quote, 429 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 3: it could be better than Monaco. It has the best 430 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: location in the Middle East, the best water, the best everything. 431 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: It's got it it's the best. I've said for years. 432 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: I've been there, and it's rough. It's a rough place. 433 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: Before all the attacks and back and forth it's happened 434 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. He went on, I 435 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: mean they have the back of a plant facing the ocean. 436 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: You know, there was no ocean as far as that 437 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: was concerned. They never took advantage of it. You know, 438 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: as a developer. It could be the most beautiful place, 439 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: the weather, the water, the whole thing in the climate. 440 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 3: It was so beautiful, it could be the best thing 441 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: in the Middle East. 442 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 443 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean that's in line with stuff that Kushner has 444 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: been saying for a long time and how they are 445 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: hoping to turn Gaza into a part of Israel, specifically 446 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: to do real estate development, to turn it into like 447 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: a resort, to turn it into a golf course, and 448 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: they're willing to kill tens of thousands of people to 449 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: do it. And that is like the primary driver at 450 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: least like for them, for like Trump's team, for why 451 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: they are they're very happy to see in NATANYAHUU just 452 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: do whatever he wants. 453 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think there's something else here, which is 454 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: that like a lot of the kind of Marxist analysis 455 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: of this from like a very sutent kind of Marxist 456 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: has been about how Palestine has been rendered as like 457 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: surplus population. This is the population that has been kicked 458 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: out of the circuit of a capital accumulation they're not 459 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: necessary for capital to reproduce itself to make more capital, 460 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 3: and so no one cares if you kill them. And 461 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: I think that's wrong, and I think this quote is 462 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 3: actually evidence of why they're wrong. Like this, You know, 463 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: these people think purely, and like people like Trump right, 464 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: think purely in terms of economic assets, and there are 465 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: there's an unbelievable amount of economic assets, like in Palestine 466 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: that a regime that is like maybe only thirty percent less, 467 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: like hideously cruel and murderous, like could have turned into 468 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: viable economic engines. But the Israelis don't want that. They 469 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: have made a decision, like an actual conscious decision that 470 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: instead of trying to expect people for labor, they'd rather 471 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: just fucking kill them all and try to steal their land. 472 00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: Right. 473 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: They have decided that this fucking real estate speculation bullshit 474 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: on a bunch of land that they're taking by just 475 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: fucking slaughtering all of its inhabitants is more efficient for 476 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: them than even doing fucking regular capitalism. And that's an 477 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: absolutely fucking hideous note. And it's the kind of thing 478 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: that Biden is saying, okay too, and Trump fucking loves 479 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: because fundamentally, like Trump's fucking real estate brain, is pro 480 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 3: genocide and Biden doesn't give a shit about stopping them, 481 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 3: and he's also pro this. So yeah, the gears of 482 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: genocide continue to grind. These Reelis are plotting their attack 483 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: against Iran that they're going to do in response to 484 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 3: Ron shooting missiles at them, in response to them killing 485 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 3: the leader of Festivo La. I don't know by the 486 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 3: time this comes out, it's possible that attack will have happened. 487 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: They're going to do something. It's going to make everything worse. 488 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: But yeah, until then, this has been an update on 489 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: the genocide and Palestine and the new invasion of Lebanon. 490 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 491 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 492 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 493 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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