WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Misunderstanding

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<v Speaker 1>Hike and everybody on Dan Horde and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals Booth podcast, there must be some misunderstanding. Addition, as

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<v Speaker 1>we look ahead to Sunday's game against the Patriots at

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Brown Stadium, a matchup surrounded with controversy due to

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<v Speaker 1>New England's admitted violation of an NFL rule involving a

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<v Speaker 1>videographer with Patriots ties, Dave Lapham, and I will weigh

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<v Speaker 1>in on the latest Bengals topics, including the team's red

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<v Speaker 1>zone woes, the late season surge of Joe Mixon, and

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<v Speaker 1>two of the game's all time grades who are coming

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<v Speaker 1>to town on Sunday, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. My

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<v Speaker 1>locker room conversation this week is with defensive end Carl Lawson,

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<v Speaker 1>who says, quote that sacking Tom Brady is an all

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<v Speaker 1>time dream of mine. He'll get a chance on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this week's Know the Faux segment, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>the low down on the Patriots from the radio play

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<v Speaker 1>by play announcer Bob Socie, who, like me, used to

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<v Speaker 1>call baseball games for the minor league Patucket Red Sox.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to football. The Bengals host the defending Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl champion Patriots this Sunday, and the big storylines this

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<v Speaker 1>week could have been the likelihood that Tom Brady is

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<v Speaker 1>coming to Cincinnati for the final time, or the mutual

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<v Speaker 1>respect between Bill Belichick and the Brown family, But instead,

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<v Speaker 1>both cities have been focused on a controversy that erupted

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<v Speaker 1>last Sunday in Cleveland, when a videographer with Patriots ties

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<v Speaker 1>was caught shooting footage of the Bengals coaching staff on

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<v Speaker 1>the sideline that is against NFL rules. My broadcast partner

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Lapham caught wind of it and asked Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>to comment. At a Monday news conference, the Bengals head

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<v Speaker 1>coach acknowledged that he was aware of an NFL investigation

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<v Speaker 1>into the incident, but had no additional comment. The Patriots

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<v Speaker 1>eventually admitted breaking the rule, but said it was an

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<v Speaker 1>innocent mistake. Who you believe might come down to which

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<v Speaker 1>team you root for. At this point, there's not much

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<v Speaker 1>more to say, at least until the NFL issues are ruling.

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<v Speaker 1>So lap and I stuck to football. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals red zone woes last week. Hindsight is always

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. But when you look back at a first

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<v Speaker 1>in goal from the two where you didn't score a

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown and you didn't get the ball to number twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think the coaches are saying, man, we should

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<v Speaker 1>have taken our chances with Joe Mixon. You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, hindsight twenty twenty. Pete Carroll is probably thinking

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing to this day with beast mode. Marshawn Lynch,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know, give a beast mode to football and

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<v Speaker 1>don't throw the interception and beat the Patriots? I think

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<v Speaker 1>you got it, And he admitted freely that yep, found

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<v Speaker 1>another opportunity. I'd give it to Marshawn Lynch. I think

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<v Speaker 1>act would do the same thing another opportunity. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I can say is third down, they hammering him

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and uh, and didn't get it. Fourth down,

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<v Speaker 1>barely got it. So he's thinking, man, it's tough sledding

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<v Speaker 1>running the football. They're really they're really ganging up on

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<v Speaker 1>us here. Pretty good. Maybe we take the thing we've

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<v Speaker 1>worked on in the red zone, our best pass all

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<v Speaker 1>week long, and we utilize it here from the two

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<v Speaker 1>yard line. It might be the best down to throw

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<v Speaker 1>it on, you know, thinking contrarian, and it didn't work out.

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<v Speaker 1>Cordy Glenn picked that that play to get beaten on,

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<v Speaker 1>and you get beaten for a quarterback sack, and a

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback sack, you know, from the two yard line dictates

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<v Speaker 1>that you throw it the two remaining down. So it

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<v Speaker 1>totally took them out of what they were hoping to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just wonder if the difficulty they had. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they picked up that fourth down by it by millimeters,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, maybe they're thinking ease. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>about hammering it up and up there, up in there

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<v Speaker 1>against the wall. But Joe Mixon was probably very frustrated,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you the form alignement, very frustrated that

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<v Speaker 1>the coaching staff didn't believe in us enough that we

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<v Speaker 1>could get that done from the two yard line. But

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't show him enough in the sequence earlier. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you got nobody to blame but yourself. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>long story, short run mixing. Well, speaking of Joe, he

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<v Speaker 1>ran for one hundred and forty six yards last week.

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<v Speaker 1>He can now get to a thousand yards this season

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<v Speaker 1>by averaging seventy yards over the final three games of

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<v Speaker 1>the year. How much different is the Bengals running scheme

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<v Speaker 1>now from what they were doing in the first say

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<v Speaker 1>half of the season. Light years difference. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>they've talked about the trip to London. When they were

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<v Speaker 1>traveling out there and coming back, they talked about changes

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<v Speaker 1>that they wanted to make in Jim Turner was the

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<v Speaker 1>lead force in that area, and they started doing things

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<v Speaker 1>differently to block Aaron Donald, And they started fanning out

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<v Speaker 1>on the backside and polands heightened around to lead up

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<v Speaker 1>on linebackers like we've seen. They started doing those type

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<v Speaker 1>of things. And so now you're you know, you're your

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<v Speaker 1>your man blocking and pulling, and you're I call it

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<v Speaker 1>a pin and pull. You're you're pinning a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>alignment and pulling other people around. Um instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>area blocking. You know, your your two guys, you in

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<v Speaker 1>the center, the garden center are responsible for the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>tackle on the linebacker. However they unfold and the guard

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<v Speaker 1>and then the garden the tackle on the front side

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<v Speaker 1>or responsible for a defensive tackle on a linebacker as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's you know, it's it's duo football, two double

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<v Speaker 1>teams working off defensive linement to get to the second level.

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<v Speaker 1>And that wasn't was becoming, you know, pounding against the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Wall of China. Everybody had it figured out. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you're angle blocking, you're pinning people, uh tight ends, wide

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<v Speaker 1>receivers are doing a good job in the edge, pinning

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<v Speaker 1>people lineman or pinning people when they blocked back and

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<v Speaker 1>then pulling people and Trey Hopkins is a very very

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<v Speaker 1>very strong puller at the center position. He played guard.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows how to pull and how to block people.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, they get good production out of a short

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<v Speaker 1>toss where they pin and pull, you know, and they

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<v Speaker 1>pull Miller and they pull Hopkins left side, they pull

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan and they pull Hopkins, and Joe Mixon reads it

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<v Speaker 1>out very very well and they're doing a good job

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of times they're you know, they're setting

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<v Speaker 1>the edge, you know, with a pin and getting all

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<v Speaker 1>the way to the outside with Joe Mixon and Dan

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that it does instead of a defensive

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<v Speaker 1>lineman knowing they're just going to come off and double

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<v Speaker 1>team me. Now I'm getting hit from this side, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting hit from that side. They're pulling in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it gives you much more to think about

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't be as as you know, forceful because

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<v Speaker 1>you only have one thing to worry about. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>have to not be as aggressive, and it helps you

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<v Speaker 1>in pass protection helps you in a lot of ways

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<v Speaker 1>if you attack guys from all different angles and they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting hit from everywhere instead of just knowing exactly what's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>John Ross was back last week. He was in for

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<v Speaker 1>roughly half of the offensive snaps. His stats are modest

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<v Speaker 1>to catch his twenty eight yards, but did his presence

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<v Speaker 1>affect the defense and play a big role in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals going for a season high four hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one yards. I think so. I think. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the very first play was on the field, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see if there was a safety over the top,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was. You know, he had a corner underneath

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<v Speaker 1>safety over the top. So I think honestly, Joe Mixon

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<v Speaker 1>had a career high rushing of one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>six yards. The box wasn't as crowded. Why John Ross

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<v Speaker 1>was back. So it not only helps other receivers, but

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<v Speaker 1>it you know, it gives running lanes inside for Joe Mixon.

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<v Speaker 1>The box gets emptied out a little bit more. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they were talking about. You know, down there

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<v Speaker 1>at the four yard line, they had played two safeties

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<v Speaker 1>high and they had the box unloaded. There were very

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<v Speaker 1>few people in the box and that's why they went

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<v Speaker 1>with the quarterback draw. You know, it's like, man, all

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about for the first you know, half of

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<v Speaker 1>the season is they were playing in a closet and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was the line of scrim at seven, eight, even

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<v Speaker 1>nine guys in the box. So I do think I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that John Ross factor was was real, and

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<v Speaker 1>he played maybe half the snaps. I think he played

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty five snaps something like. That's fifty three percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the offense, fifty three percenty offense. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>they had seventy two snaps, so he probably had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six or seven as thirty seven snaps. Two catches

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty six twenty eight yards, so in one of

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<v Speaker 1>them was a twenty yard or so, he you know,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a It wasn't a big oh looking at stats, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>John Ross had a major impact, but on a snap

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<v Speaker 1>by snap basis, I think his presence benefited others. The

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<v Speaker 1>youngest Bengal Michael Jordan, has taken every snap at left

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<v Speaker 1>guard the last two games. He started four out of

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<v Speaker 1>the first five, then he mostly watched for six. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's starting again evaluate his rookie season. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>he learned a big lesson because in Pittsburgh the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>line and have a very good game with eight quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>sacks and uh Cameron Hayward, who he was blocking. He

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<v Speaker 1>had two and a half of them, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he learned a lesson. Cameron Hayward said, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the NFL, rookie and uh and took it to him.

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<v Speaker 1>But with that said, he's and he was dinged up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. He had a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>injury to his legs. So he's recovered from that, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's recovered mentally from what took place. And I credit

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<v Speaker 1>him because you have two choices, roll over and play

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<v Speaker 1>dead or fight back, and he fought back and he's

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<v Speaker 1>played well the last couple of games. Now. He is long, strong,

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<v Speaker 1>he can move when they when he pulls, he can move.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a big body with big feet, and he

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<v Speaker 1>gets puts, picks him up and puts them down out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and and the thing that is impressive with

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<v Speaker 1>guys that size going against smaller people, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen wheeler trying to change direction with the maserati

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<v Speaker 1>when you're out there blocking smaller people, and that eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>wheel had changed his direction pretty well. He's got some ability,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, athletic ability in space. So I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a bright future. I think, you know, when he

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<v Speaker 1>first started out, I think it was he didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what he didn't know. Now at least he knows what

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't know, and now he's trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to understand what he didn't know. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, his graph is going up. He's making

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<v Speaker 1>big progress. Another rookie, Jermaine Pratt, was the Bengals leading tackler.

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<v Speaker 1>He had eight tackles, six solos. Is his graph going up?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we should we be optimistic about Jermaine Pratt? I

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<v Speaker 1>think he is improving. The one thing that I've noticed, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is for a guy that played safety and now he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting bigger and gone to linebacker, a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>when he's in coverage or even trying to make players

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<v Speaker 1>in the running game out in space, he doesn't change

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<v Speaker 1>direction really well. You know, he's a little stiff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like he'll take him two or three steps. He'll run

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<v Speaker 1>by running backs that are cutting back or receivers. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, a guy that you know, had played the

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<v Speaker 1>safety position may have a little bit quicker change of direction,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more athletic ability than he's shown. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's if it's just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's being overly cautious or I don't know, or if

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<v Speaker 1>physically he just that's not part of his repertoire. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have to watch that a little bit more. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think I do think he's getting better. I

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<v Speaker 1>think repetition breeds comfort level. I think he is seeing

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<v Speaker 1>things a little bit better, and I think he's making

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<v Speaker 1>more plays. But I thought he'd be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>tighter coverage in space and be able to close on

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<v Speaker 1>people a little bit more athletically than he's shown to

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<v Speaker 1>this point. Maybe that's all going to come though. This

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<v Speaker 1>will be the eighth and possibly last time the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>ever face Tom Brady. At age forty two, He's six

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<v Speaker 1>and one against the Bengals. It's completed sixty seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of his passes, fifteen touchdowns, three interceptions, passer rating of

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<v Speaker 1>one oh seven point eight. The last time he came

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<v Speaker 1>to Cincinnati, the Bengals won thirteen to six in the rain,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the other six games against the Bengals of

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots have scored thirty four or more points in

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<v Speaker 1>every single one. When you watch Tom Brady, what stands

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<v Speaker 1>out everything about him, his poise, his demeanor, his physical

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<v Speaker 1>and mental presence of I'm in complete control. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen, There's nothing you can do there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to rattle me. I've seen every defensive concept known to

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<v Speaker 1>man multiple times, and I'm ready. I'm prepared. You're right.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time they were here, there was a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a monsoon when they had the football and that

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<v Speaker 1>broke I think it was fifty some odd street games

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<v Speaker 1>where he had a touchdown pass and he that broke

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<v Speaker 1>that streak the last time he was here in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe they can hold him without a touchdown pass again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, But watching him on tape a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>this year, he at forty two. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. His skills have diminished. He's not he's still

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<v Speaker 1>a good football player, but he's not what he was physically.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's got Edelman and a bunch of other guys.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't have a whole lot of weapons, so physically

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<v Speaker 1>he's not capable of lifting everybody. And now they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough weapons to lift him. So he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>caught in almost the perfect storm. And uh, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>struggling a little bit offensively. They're going to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of gadget plays, a lot of gimmick plays that are

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<v Speaker 1>Josh mcdannel's doing a great job of calling him and

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<v Speaker 1>calling him at the perfect time. And that's the key,

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<v Speaker 1>is when you call them and and he's doing a

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<v Speaker 1>great job of calling in the Patriots are executing them.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tom Brady is It'd be hard to pick who's

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<v Speaker 1>more competitive, Bill Belichick or Tom Brady, and they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>both like ubra ubra competitive and will do anything it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to win a football game. And I've always said

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<v Speaker 1>many times over the years here in Cincinnati, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>we had a good decade in the eighties that that

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<v Speaker 1>led to a couple of Super Bowls is some of

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<v Speaker 1>our our best players or some of our best people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, highlighted by Anthony Winios. And then you get

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Anderson, Boomer Sias in a quarterback, and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the list can go on and on, Chris Collinsworth,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac Curtis and you know all these guys, um Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Brady being the guy he is, the kind of guy

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<v Speaker 1>he is when you're your best player is working his

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<v Speaker 1>tail off to become even a better player, it lifts

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<v Speaker 1>the whole boat. And Tom Brady works harder than anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>First guy there, last guy to leave still after twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years of it. Um, you know, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reason to go home, Giselle. That's a good reason

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<v Speaker 1>to go home with the beautiful children they have. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's like you, you say to yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>look what Tom's doing? Am I doing enough? Man? I

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<v Speaker 1>bet I better pick it up? And that's that's what

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<v Speaker 1>he's brought to the organization for many, many, many years.

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<v Speaker 1>The New England Patriots come to town with a little

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<v Speaker 1>added motivation. This week they've lost two straight. People are

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<v Speaker 1>accusing them of being cheaters again. Do the Bengal stand

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<v Speaker 1>a chance? Lap and if sell? How boy, what they

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is they've been playing hard, but they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been playing smart enough. Haven't been making enough players

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<v Speaker 1>and playing smart enough. And against the Patriots, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to play smart because they take every mistake you make

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<v Speaker 1>and rub your face in it and capitalize on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And somehow their mistakes don't lead to tragedy and your

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes lead to huge misfortune. I mean, that's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way they win. And they jump on you the slightest

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<v Speaker 1>blip they're jumping on it. They're plus nineteen in the

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<v Speaker 1>turnover department. You got to take care of the football

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<v Speaker 1>if you can somehow force to turnover too. If you

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<v Speaker 1>can finish plus in the turnover department like they did

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<v Speaker 1>against the Cleveland Browns in the last game, the first

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<v Speaker 1>time all year that they've done that, they have a

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<v Speaker 1>punchers chance if they don't. If they don't win the

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<v Speaker 1>turnover margin, they give the Patriots extra possessions and minimize

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<v Speaker 1>their own. It could be in big trouble. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots are allowing less than thirteen points a game. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals are scoring it just over fifteen points a game.

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<v Speaker 1>So will the Bengals offense be able to do enough

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of scoring to make it a competitive game

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<v Speaker 1>against his Patriot defenses than one in the NFL and

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<v Speaker 1>points allowed the myriad of other things. Let's ignore the

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<v Speaker 1>videotaping controversy for a second and discuss Bill Belichick's coaching ability.

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<v Speaker 1>He's taking the Patriots to nine Super Bowls. He's won six.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventeenth consecutive year the Patriots have won

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<v Speaker 1>ten or more games. It's unbelievable. What makes him one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest coaches in any sport of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Number One, they've been dominant. Number two, they have been

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<v Speaker 1>in a crappy division that they can dominate. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every year the Dolphins have struggled, the Bills have had

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<v Speaker 1>their issues, you know, the Jets have had their issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's been the best team in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>in the worst division. So they're gonna win close to

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<v Speaker 1>ten games almost by default, so you know part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of the reason. But with that said, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a genius. He's a football menza and he has an

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<v Speaker 1>answer for every situation. In fact, he has multiple answers

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<v Speaker 1>for every situation that arises during the course of a

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<v Speaker 1>football game, and he will rotate in those answers freely

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<v Speaker 1>and very wisely during the course of the game. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>and with that said, he surrounds himself with players that

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<v Speaker 1>are versatile to be able to do all of those

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<v Speaker 1>things and all those variances in situational football and have

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<v Speaker 1>the intelligence to comprehend it. So he has a big

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<v Speaker 1>inventory of things to draw from, and he has smart

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<v Speaker 1>enough players to be able to draw from a big inventory,

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<v Speaker 1>and the players believe in what he's doing and he

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<v Speaker 1>believes in his players and that trust is a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. And I didn't even mention his greatest achievement

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<v Speaker 1>of all. He once went eleven and five as the

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<v Speaker 1>head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Belichick's all time record

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<v Speaker 1>against the Bengals is fifteen and four, and believe it

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<v Speaker 1>or not, there's little difference between his time in Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>and his time in New England. He was nine and

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<v Speaker 1>two against the Bengals as the Brown's head coach, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's eight and two since arriving in New England. Now

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<v Speaker 1>time for this week's locker room conversation as I visit

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<v Speaker 1>with a third year defensive lineman who had the bengals

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<v Speaker 1>only sack of Baker Mayfield last week and would love

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<v Speaker 1>to get one this week against three time NFL MVP,

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<v Speaker 1>four time Super Bowl MVP, and six time Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>winning quarterback Tom Brady. We're in the locker room with

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<v Speaker 1>Karl Lawson. Over the last four weeks, opposing offenses are

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<v Speaker 1>averaging less than fifteen points a game against the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like the defense has turned a corner

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<v Speaker 1>and has become a strength of the team. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're definitely improving and we just need to keep

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<v Speaker 1>keep on building and keep on working. Yeah we're not

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<v Speaker 1>we want to be. A record shows that, but one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can't do is just regret. So we just gotta,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, keep on working. Anything stand out to you

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<v Speaker 1>in particular during this stretch, I think just health health, health,

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<v Speaker 1>and then just people just know and knowing the situation

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<v Speaker 1>that the jobs on the line. Um, especially you know

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<v Speaker 1>in this league is when you got a record that

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<v Speaker 1>that we have. You know a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>auditioning for not just um this team, but other teams

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<v Speaker 1>around the league. So I'm bean this can end quick,

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<v Speaker 1>So people gotta be on the toes. We're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Carl loss and with Sam Hubbard out, you were in

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<v Speaker 1>there for more than ninety percent of the snaps last

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<v Speaker 1>week and started the game. How was that for you?

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<v Speaker 1>It was good, It's really um. He does so many

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<v Speaker 1>different things for our defense, so that allows other people

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<v Speaker 1>to be who they are. UM. So, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to fill in for him, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, asked him on different tips and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>at his position and things that he did. So UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt good. He does a lot of things and

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<v Speaker 1>you did a lot of things. Last week, you drop

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<v Speaker 1>back into coverage quite a bit. How's your comfort level

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<v Speaker 1>on doing that? My comfort level is uny thing that

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<v Speaker 1>would do a defense is good. I could be a

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<v Speaker 1>great player anytime I'm out there in the field. Um

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Um, yeah, there's no difference in you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I gotta go out there and do. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has a role on their defense, as you know

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<v Speaker 1>what My role is mainly for a team issus just

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<v Speaker 1>go um and you know, pass rush situations. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also excellent rundefender, so when my number is called, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>able to do that. I'm talking to Carl Loss and

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<v Speaker 1>you tore your ACL in October of last year. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you even think about that anymore? Is it completely out

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<v Speaker 1>of mind? Um? It was. It was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the first beginning of the season, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a hamstring, so it just adds a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff on. After the bye week, I really started

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<v Speaker 1>to feel like myself again, So you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think about it coming into the bye week because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I had the hamstring on top of it

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<v Speaker 1>coming off the ACL, so it's hard to move and

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<v Speaker 1>a little a little slow out there and process stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But now I'm starting to get comfortable. Carl, you're known

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<v Speaker 1>for your pass rushing ability. I happened to be walking

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<v Speaker 1>behind you in the hallway a couple of days ago

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<v Speaker 1>when you're on your way to lunch and you were

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<v Speaker 1>working on your pass rush moves. You're doing, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>swim moves and stuff like that. Do you find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>kind of unconsciously constantly working on your technique? Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 1>just passion us anything that I have to do in football.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to constantly work to get better because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my goal is to be the best, no matter of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation than I am. And now eventually over my career,

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<v Speaker 1>I strive to be the best. And so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just keep working and do that. And so anytime I

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<v Speaker 1>can walk around the corner or set an edge or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, work on my coverage responsibility in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do that. And you know that's I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do a few more questions for Carl Lawson. You face

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots this week. Would sacking Brady be different from

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<v Speaker 1>sacking anybody else? Oh? Yeah, it's definitely all the time

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<v Speaker 1>dream of mine. I mean, you know, he's the he's

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<v Speaker 1>the goat for a reason, and definitely maybe if I

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<v Speaker 1>get a sack on him, you know, it might rub

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<v Speaker 1>off of me and help my game. So I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be an all the time dream to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get a sack on Brady. But I mean it's honestly

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<v Speaker 1>just honored to be on the field with him and

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<v Speaker 1>play against him because he's you know, he's a constant pro.

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<v Speaker 1>The way take here himself, the way he's consistent. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's um, it's true blessing. You put a lot of

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>time and energy into maintaining your body. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>an added level of respect for a guy that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be obsessed with his Oh, I have a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of respect for Tom Brady. I mean, he's done it

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty years, and that's something I kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of want to do. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really plan on, like, um, not playing a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of see this these first four years, the

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<v Speaker 1>early early stages in my career, and after that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to play shoot like Cam waglong, like to like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe thirty eight, you know, and that way I can

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be in an all time SAT conversation. Last thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys don't have a chance to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>postseason this year, do you relish the opportunity to be

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.919
<v Speaker 1>a spoiler to try to hurt the Patriots or another

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 1>team's playoff chances? No, for me, these even though I'm

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 1>not in the playoff. For me, it's taking these games

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.119
<v Speaker 1>and getting the experience to um to go into next

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>year a better player. That's that's the main thing I

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<v Speaker 1>get from it is just going out there and now I,

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, out there and getting these games in so

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I can get the experience so I can coming next

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 1>year a better player and and get close close to

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<v Speaker 1>my goals. So that's what I don't really care about

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>spoiling anyways, you know, and I care about plans I

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>can get better. Appreciate your time, best of luck this week.

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it. That's Carl Lawson. The Patriots are on the

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<v Speaker 1>verge of wrapping up a playoff spot for the eleventh

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.199
<v Speaker 1>straight year. That would give Bill Belichick a new NFL

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 1>record for consecutive playoff berths by a head coach. He

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 1>currently shares the record with Tony Dungee. But after an

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>eight no start, the Patriots have sputtered a bit they've

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.399
<v Speaker 1>dropped three of their last five games, albeit to the

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>other three first placed teams in the AFC Baltimore, Houston,

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:45.679
<v Speaker 1>and Kansas City. For more on the Patriots, the radio

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:49.439
<v Speaker 1>voice Bob Socy joined us for this week's No the

0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Fox segment. Let's talk about the big story this week

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 1>in both cities, and that is Spygate two point zero.

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I hate to even use the term, but how is

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that playing New England. It's playing about as you would imagine,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>having spent a fair amount of time in these parts yourself,

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.199
<v Speaker 1>of course, and I do miss those days when we

0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>were together, able to get lunch once in a while

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:16.119
<v Speaker 1>in Boston. But obviously it's dominated the conversation here a

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of different narratives. I will say that, you know, locally,

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>it's been a very strong and a reaction somewhat mixed,

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 1>but you know, the Patriots in a situation where you know,

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>the past precedes them, and I think locally people are

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>taking a somewhat waiting to the approach by and large,

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 1>but nonetheless, you know, obviously it's a story that has

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>gotten a lot of coverage and gotten a lot of

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>play on the radio and as well in print and

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>on and on the world wide Web, Bob. I guess

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the thing that almost amazes everybody is when me and

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Jeanie was coach of the Jets, the Patriots got their

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>you know thumb in advice about filming sidelines, filming signals,

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and even though this isn't a football operations as such,

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 1>although they were doing a documentary as on a football

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>operations guy and advance scout, he is a football operations guy.

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Is it just a case of the left hand not

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>knowing what the right hand is doing? Was Bill Belichick

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 1>left out of the loop as to what this videographer

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>might be doing from a responsibility standpoint when they were

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 1>putting together this feature story they were doing. Yeah, and Dave,

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 1>let me the first backtrack a bit and explain a

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of things about where I am and what I do.

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I am employed full time by the radio station. I

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of work though for Craft Sports Productions

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and have for the last six seasons. This is my

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 1>seventh year overall, pass into my second year of the team,

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>started to do work on a part time basis for KST.

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Cash Sports Production is a pretty innovative wing of the

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Craft group and the Patriots organization. For example, a couple

0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>of years ago, out of Super Bowl fifty two, they

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>put together twenty four hour network all week long in

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the Twin Cities. They're not done network. Last year they

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>took a different approach and nonetheless provided a lot of

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>content as well that week. It's the kind of out

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>of the box thinking that they have done with a

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of support from from the organization, and they have

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>been running this to Your Job series. This is I believe,

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 1>the second season of it. They have featured college scouts

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>in the past, equipment people. Nancy Myers is the long

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>time personnel assistant for the Patriots. She's been here for

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>forty plus years. Did a piece on the trainers last week.

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>So they really make quite a commitment on this side

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>of the organization, speaking of KSP, to try to give

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>fans who really have an insatiable appetite like elsewhere for

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>that kind of content, any peak behind the curtain, if

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you will. So that being said, and I have to

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>admit that you know, I know a lot of the

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>principles very well. Who right now are you know very

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>much you know, concerned about this situation dealing with it?

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Belichick spoke, I can't certainly certainly can't speak for Bill,

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>but Bill just spoke a few minutes ago, and then

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>this press conference again, I think, more adamantly even than

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 1>in the last forty eight hours, made it clear. Uh

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, strongly pounded home the message that

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>nobody from football Operations had anything to do with it.

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quote one of my most respected counterparts from

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>around the league and just say that, you know, when

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.439
<v Speaker 1>I've heard of it, and you know, as I followed it,

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I can only say that I can't believe anybody would

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, would they really be this dumb to do that?

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think so. I just yea and I

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and I understand that the bankals have every right um

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>to react the way that they did and bring it

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to the league's attention. And I can't blame them. I

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>can't blame one of the questions from Cincinnati. I said earlier,

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the past precedes the team here and all those questions,

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, all the scrutiny you certainly warranted. You know.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>My My standpoint though, is that you know, as I

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, it's waiting see and uh, you know, we

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>we in this organization, those of us who cover this

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>organization have certainly had the deal with a lot of

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>situations over the last however many years, and uh, you know,

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>this organization has continued to move forward, and as the

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>football team goes, they compartmentalize it as well as anybody

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>possibly could. I think, you know, whether it was deflate

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Gate or any other you know, perceived controversy or real

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>controversy in the past, this organization does a tremendous job.

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>So they'll be focused and ready to go on Sunday,

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. I guess As a follow up, I

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>guess there just has to be better communication between the

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>entities about NFL rules. I mean simple rules. You can't

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>you can't video a sideline, so the the independent uh

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, worker as we are. I mean, I'm not

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>an employee of the Bengals. I'm an independent contractor in

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the video guys, an independent contractor. I guess there has

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to be a better education of the things you can

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and can't do. And you know, Bill, I I mean

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>not just in Cincinnati, in New England, around the world,

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick is known as a guy that knows what

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of toilet paper they put them in the dispensers

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>in the in the bathrooms, that he knows everything about everything,

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>so everybody can't believe they wouldn't have any idea of

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. But like you say, they are separate departments,

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>are compartmentalized. But I think in his mind it's going

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to be like, man, we better have better communication from

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>this point forward, because you just you just put me

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>in a big time ringer. Well, I think absolutely, you

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>know that that's a valid point. I think the organization

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 1>is as much admitted that through its statement, and I

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>think that you know, there's there's no excuse for ignorance

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in many situations, and you know, perhaps this is one.

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I will say this. And Bill began his press conference

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>by reiterating what he has said many times, whether the

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Patriots were preparing for the Bengals or he was simply

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>asked a question about Paul Brown or Mike Brown, that

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>he has tremendous respect for the Brown family. And I've

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>known that to be the case, for example, because I

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>used to cover the Navy football team I called Naval

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Academy Football for sixteen years, and I remember one time

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>during a game when I slipped up with a reference

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>to Bill Walsh being the father of the West Coast

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>offense during a broadcast of Navy in Rutgers. This is

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>back in the late nineties, and an old football coach

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>at the Naval Academy stopped me the following week and

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>gave me a thorough education on the real brain behind

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the West Coast offending to his mind, and that happened

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>to be the late Sea Belichick. And I learned a

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.479
<v Speaker 1>lot about Paul Brown and Dick Gilman and you know,

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and that Paul Brown coaching tree and all the innovations

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that Bill Belichick has spoken at great length this week

0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.959
<v Speaker 1>and every other time I've heard him to discussed Paul Brown. Right,

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>he has a lot of respect and I don't know

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>how much weight that carries there in Cincinnati, but I

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>think it's something that's really important to understand. Our guest

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>is the radio voice of the Patrio. It's Bob Socy.

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk football a little bit. I've been listening to

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of New England sports talk radio this week,

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was tremendously amused when I heard the following.

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Somebody said, this is one of the hosts. The Patriots

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>sucked this year. They're only going to win one playoff game.

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we would have a parade as soon as

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals win their next playoff game, hopefully it's not

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>too far away. But is that kind of the mood that, yeah,

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>they're they're still you know, they're they're good enough to

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>win a playoff game. But that's it. Well, Dan, they

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>were booted halftime. Granted they didn't have a very good

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>second quarters ten and two team. They've always shown great

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>resilience and they did, in fact on the second half

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of that game, and they went off the field bowed

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>by the fans of Cholette Stadium. It's the nature playing here.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>It's the nature of being as successful as the Patriots

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 1>who've been for the last nineteen seasons, in particular, that

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the expectations are possible to meet, and anything short of

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a championship in the in the minds of some, as

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>foolish as it seems elsewhere, is a failure. And with

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this particular team, I think you have kind of a

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>confluence of different things. Do you have the concern about

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>this team in this moment in two nineteen and then

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 1>attached to those concerns all I think warriors on the

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>part of many about the future of the organization with

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>a forty two year old quarterback who's not out of

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>contract for next year, amid a lot of speculation about

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>whether Tom Brady is going to continue playing, and if

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>he does, where he's going to play. So I think

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>that's that's all the factor. You know, for years, I've heard,

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>since I took over this position in two thousand and thirteen,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that the window was closing. And I think, you know,

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>this is a fan base, and it's in great part

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>because of the media as well. We're spoiled, and we

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>have been spoiled. And you know, I'm of the mind

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that you know, this is something that we should appreciate

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>every moment of and I often take for granted myself,

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>but then they have to step back and remember what

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>it was like when I was calling those Davy games

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and the myths we're losing thirty out of thirty three

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>at one point, or however many bad minor league baseball

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>teams I covered through the years when we first got

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to know each other by Bob watching this defense that

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick has assembled this year. Now, granted, there's the

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 1>thing that jumps out at me. He's got a lot

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of seven eight you know, year veterans had been with

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>him a long time. They're versatile, they're smart. He trusts them,

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>they trust him. I've never seen, honestly, I've never seen

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 1>a group where all eleven guys are exactly where they're

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be when they're supposed to be there, doing

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>exactly what they're supposed to do. From a technique standpoint,

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it is in play so hard it is a true marvel.

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And as an offensive lineman, I'm looking at man, a

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>guy wearing a number in the thirties is you know,

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>or in the twenties is coming down and they're bringing

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>him down in the box as a linebacker, and they're

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>doing it on first down. It's their run defense. But

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>they don't have you know, base personnel in there. All.

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>My rule would be, okay, I'm not doing rules by

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>numbers that they're wearing in New Jersey. It's where they're

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>lining up because safeties could be linebackers, linebackers could be

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:12.839
<v Speaker 1>defensive ends. I mean, they're so so diverse it is

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it must be hell to prepare for when you're an

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 1>offensive player and an offensive coach to go against that unit.

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>They're unbelievable. Yeah, Dave, and I think you really saw

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that to the first part of the schedule, in particular

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>when they were facing teams that, granted them, are not

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>having good seasons. Frankly, they had a soft schedule early on,

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<v Speaker 1>but made so especially because of the inexperience at the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback position they were facing. And I think you touched

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of key points, the experience of this

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 1>team and the ten years of Devin mccordy, Patrick Chunk,

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>who is one of those guys in the twenties or thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>number twenty three, who's really been one of the first

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>players I think in the league that has been that

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>hybrid safety slash line. He's a linebacker for the right

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<v Speaker 1>far exactly pro pound pro. Poulet has been really the

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<v Speaker 1>I think as tough as anybody in the league. Has

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<v Speaker 1>been beat up a lot this year and hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>out there as much as we've seen him, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a game changing player where you bring him

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<v Speaker 1>into the box, he gives you the coverage ability against

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>the tie and end or running back, but also as

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<v Speaker 1>a very solid tackler and a very physical player. And

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 1>with him and mccordy, they've been together since both were

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>drafted in Chung's case, I think O nine and Devin's

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>case two thousand and ten, with but one exception, and

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:28.720
<v Speaker 1>that was when Chung was an Eagle for a season.

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<v Speaker 1>There's great communication between those two safeties. John Harmon spend

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>here since two thirteen. He's the third safety. He and

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Devin mccordy go back to their days at Rutgers. Then

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you throw in guys like Jason mccordy, Devin's twin brother

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.240
<v Speaker 1>back for his sec eight year Dante Hide Tower, who's

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>along with Devin mccordy, been a quarterback of that defense.

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>They are always on the same page and they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about communication and how important it is to them in

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>this defense all the time. And they've they've benefited as

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>well from the return of Jamie Collins. He's been a

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>different player in two thousand and nineteen than he was

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>when they them away to the Browns in twenty sixteen.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Still a freakish athlete, but I think he's had a

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<v Speaker 1>more focused approach here now that he's been paid and

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 1>also seeing what it was like to be on a

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>winless football team, you know. And they just do such

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 1>a great job of putting players in position where they're

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>able to succeed and not in position where they're likely

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:23.959
<v Speaker 1>to fail. So they don't ask players to do things

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and they're not capable of typically, and you look at

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>a guy like Adam Butler for example, situational player up front,

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Danny Shelton, guy who's had a good season in the

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>second year. They're getting contributions from everybody on the defensive

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>side of the ball. Right. My final question for radio

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>voice Bob Socie of the Patriots, Julian Edelman is having

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a tremendous year, but how mediocre has the play been

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of the other receiving targets between wide receivers and tight ends. Dan,

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you're you're putting it kindly in the minds that you

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the fans in sports stock circles here, and I

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>have to say it also starts and includes the guys

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a pump because as much continuity and cohesiveness as they've

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed defensively, it hasn't been their offensively either on the

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 1>line at the tight end positions. They're missing their fullback

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>teams definitely haven't had a running game to help off

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 1>set the lack of you know, their their their threats

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>at receiver. So it started when they lost David Andrews

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>as a center, and then as they win and the

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 1>left tackle was out for a long time. This year,

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Jake Devlon, who was key last Yearly reinvented themselves became

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a power running team late in the season and that

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>was really the springboard to success against Chargers and Chiefs

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and the Ansty playoffs. But as you saw when they

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>went out and they brought in Antonio Brown, they were searching.

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>It's mack almost of desperation, and that's been a recurrent

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>problem actually the last two years. When they went out

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and got Josh Board and initially in twenty and eighteen,

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>it was a sign of the problems they've had on

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the outside of just lacking someone to affect coverage. And

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>it's amplified now because you don't have Rob Gronkowski as

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>well as Edelman. When Gronkowski was here last year, he

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 1>really struggled through the season physically and wasn't the same

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>force in the passing offense for much of the year.

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>But he still forced defensive coordinators to make that decision,

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, am I really going to write him off

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.879
<v Speaker 1>this week? Or am I going to have to play

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 1>him the way we typically do? And dictate coverage around him.

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And now what we're seeing a lot of lately is

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>teams know that they can double Edelman and they don't

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>run the risk of being being outside or having somebody

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 1>else to be that quick outlet for Brady. And they're

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>pressuring Brady a lot more and his numbers are dramatically

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>dipping when facing pressure. And the last week, in particular

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>against Kansas City, I think we saw a lot of

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of games and starts up brought with us

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 1>with his own pressures and blitzes on Brady and with

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Edelman as this one guy that he truly seems to trust.

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, this offense has been hamstrung in a lot

0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.160
<v Speaker 1>of ways. Finally, and appreciate carving all the time. I'm

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>just did our special teams the all important third phase.

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 1>The Bengals three out of the four phases, they're in

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the top ten, and you know they're sixth in covering

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>punts third and kickoff returns fifth and covering kickoffs the

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Patriots seventh, and kickoff coverage ninth and punt return ninth

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and punt coverage, plus they have four blocked punts. I

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>think the matchup between the special teams coaches and the

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>players that they coach, is going to be very interesting

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>in this one, no doubt about it, Dave. And it's

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>interesting as well. In addition to the lines of Bill

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>uttered today's press conference about Mike Brown, the next thing

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.799
<v Speaker 1>you talked about where the Bengals special teams. The Patriots

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>have a punter and Jake Bailey who has become a

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:47.560
<v Speaker 1>weapon for them with Matthew Sladder and Justin Bethel in

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>particular at the gunner positions. Those are guys who have

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.720
<v Speaker 1>ten Pro Bowl appearances between them, and later has scored

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a touchdown on a block punt recovering and he's blocked

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>a punt that's set up the Patriots for a touchdown

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>as well, and he has been I think that the

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 1>standard setter in the NFL at that position during his

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:12.439
<v Speaker 1>career as a Patriot. They haven't necessarily done well, of course,

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>in the other phase of kicking, and that's where they're

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 1>place kickers. They're on their fourth the season, Nick Folk

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>because of an early injury to Stephen Gostkowski, but I

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.760
<v Speaker 1>think in Folk they have confidence. He had an appendeck

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>to me a couple of weeks ago, so he had

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>a one week. Hiatus Kai forbass came in here against

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Houston Folk return last week. I think there's confidence that

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 1>folks can at least steady them in that phase. But

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>you touched on the block punts. That's four of them

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>this year, franchise record for the team won away from

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the Chiefs in nineteen ninety. And they've done it in

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>different ways. They've done it up the middle, they've done

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>it from the outside. John Jones is a guy that's

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.720
<v Speaker 1>an exceptional special teams player. JC Jackson as another who's

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>developed into a special team's days. Belichick devotes probably more

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>resources than anyone when it comes to the middle class

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 1>of the roster and the little class of the salary cap.

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to special teams and the scenario that

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 1>he's criticized for frequently when they're going through rough patches

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 1>as they are now, people wonder why aren't they devoting

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 1>more to their offense. Why do they have all these

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>guys like Nate Avenue, for example, a rugby player from

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State who's a course special team are and blocked

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>upon last week to help turn things around a bit

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>against the Chiefs. But that's Bill's philosophy. He sees it.

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 1>There's almost three equal phases of the game, and he's

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>going to allocate resources to special teams like few others,

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 1>if any others. And I think we've seen that this year.

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, the Bengals are terrific. He's noted that

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.959
<v Speaker 1>and it's always been that way our thanks to Bob

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