1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Hike and everybody on Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast, there must be some misunderstanding. Addition, as 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: we look ahead to Sunday's game against the Patriots at 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: Paul Brown Stadium, a matchup surrounded with controversy due to 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: New England's admitted violation of an NFL rule involving a 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: videographer with Patriots ties, Dave Lapham, and I will weigh 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: in on the latest Bengals topics, including the team's red 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: zone woes, the late season surge of Joe Mixon, and 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: two of the game's all time grades who are coming 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: to town on Sunday, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. My 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: locker room conversation this week is with defensive end Carl Lawson, 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: who says, quote that sacking Tom Brady is an all 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: time dream of mine. He'll get a chance on Sunday. 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: And in this week's Know the Faux segment, we'll get 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the low down on the Patriots from the radio play 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: by play announcer Bob Socie, who, like me, used to 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: call baseball games for the minor league Patucket Red Sox. 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: All of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since Greaters. I had the unique 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: privilege of going on a behind the scenes tour of 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Greater's ice cream factory this week. In celebration of the 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati's two hundredth anniversary, Greaters will release a 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: limited edition flavor in January called Boldly Bearcat. It includes 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: red velvet oreos, chocolate chips, and a sweet cream bass. 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: I got to see and taste the magic that goes 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: into making Greater's ice cream, and the attention to detail 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 1: is amazing. Every pint is truly handcrafted. When it comes 31 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: to ice cream, there is nothing greater than Greaters. Now 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: let's get to football. The Bengals host the defending Super 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Bowl champion Patriots this Sunday, and the big storylines this 34 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: week could have been the likelihood that Tom Brady is 35 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: coming to Cincinnati for the final time, or the mutual 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: respect between Bill Belichick and the Brown family, But instead, 37 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: both cities have been focused on a controversy that erupted 38 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: last Sunday in Cleveland, when a videographer with Patriots ties 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: was caught shooting footage of the Bengals coaching staff on 40 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: the sideline that is against NFL rules. My broadcast partner 41 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Dave Lapham caught wind of it and asked Zach Taylor 42 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: to comment. At a Monday news conference, the Bengals head 43 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: coach acknowledged that he was aware of an NFL investigation 44 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: into the incident, but had no additional comment. The Patriots 45 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: eventually admitted breaking the rule, but said it was an 46 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: innocent mistake. Who you believe might come down to which 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: team you root for. At this point, there's not much 48 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: more to say, at least until the NFL issues are ruling. 49 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: So lap and I stuck to football. Let's talk about 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: the Bengals red zone woes last week. Hindsight is always 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But when you look back at a first 52 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: in goal from the two where you didn't score a 53 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: touchdown and you didn't get the ball to number twenty eight, 54 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: do you think the coaches are saying, man, we should 55 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: have taken our chances with Joe Mixon. You know, like 56 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: you said, hindsight twenty twenty. Pete Carroll is probably thinking 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the same thing to this day with beast mode. Marshawn Lynch, 58 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: do you know, give a beast mode to football and 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: don't throw the interception and beat the Patriots? I think 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: you got it, And he admitted freely that yep, found 61 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: another opportunity. I'd give it to Marshawn Lynch. I think 62 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: act would do the same thing another opportunity. The only 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: thing I can say is third down, they hammering him 64 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: in there, and uh, and didn't get it. Fourth down, 65 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: barely got it. So he's thinking, man, it's tough sledding 66 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: running the football. They're really they're really ganging up on 67 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: us here. Pretty good. Maybe we take the thing we've 68 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: worked on in the red zone, our best pass all 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: week long, and we utilize it here from the two 70 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: yard line. It might be the best down to throw 71 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: it on, you know, thinking contrarian, and it didn't work out. 72 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: Cordy Glenn picked that that play to get beaten on, 73 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: and you get beaten for a quarterback sack, and a 74 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: quarterback sack, you know, from the two yard line dictates 75 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: that you throw it the two remaining down. So it 76 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: totally took them out of what they were hoping to do. 77 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: But I just wonder if the difficulty they had. I mean, 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: they picked up that fourth down by it by millimeters, 79 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: so you know, maybe they're thinking ease. I'm not sure 80 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: about hammering it up and up there, up in there 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: against the wall. But Joe Mixon was probably very frustrated, 82 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: I can tell you the form alignement, very frustrated that 83 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: the coaching staff didn't believe in us enough that we 84 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: could get that done from the two yard line. But 85 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: you didn't show him enough in the sequence earlier. So 86 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: I guess you got nobody to blame but yourself. But yeah, 87 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: long story, short run mixing. Well, speaking of Joe, he 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: ran for one hundred and forty six yards last week. 89 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: He can now get to a thousand yards this season 90 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: by averaging seventy yards over the final three games of 91 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: the year. How much different is the Bengals running scheme 92 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: now from what they were doing in the first say 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: half of the season. Light years difference. And you know 94 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: they've talked about the trip to London. When they were 95 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: traveling out there and coming back, they talked about changes 96 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: that they wanted to make in Jim Turner was the 97 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: lead force in that area, and they started doing things 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: differently to block Aaron Donald, And they started fanning out 99 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: on the backside and polands heightened around to lead up 100 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: on linebackers like we've seen. They started doing those type 101 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: of things. And so now you're you know, you're your 102 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: your man blocking and pulling, and you're I call it 103 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: a pin and pull. You're you're pinning a couple of 104 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: alignment and pulling other people around. Um instead of just 105 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: area blocking. You know, your your two guys, you in 106 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: the center, the garden center are responsible for the defensive 107 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: tackle on the linebacker. However they unfold and the guard 108 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: and then the garden the tackle on the front side 109 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: or responsible for a defensive tackle on a linebacker as well. 110 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's it's duo football, two double 111 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: teams working off defensive linement to get to the second level. 112 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: And that wasn't was becoming, you know, pounding against the 113 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: Great Wall of China. Everybody had it figured out. Now 114 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: you're angle blocking, you're pinning people, uh tight ends, wide 115 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: receivers are doing a good job in the edge, pinning 116 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: people lineman or pinning people when they blocked back and 117 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: then pulling people and Trey Hopkins is a very very 118 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: very strong puller at the center position. He played guard. 119 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: He knows how to pull and how to block people. 120 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: And uh, they get good production out of a short 121 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: toss where they pin and pull, you know, and they 122 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: pull Miller and they pull Hopkins left side, they pull 123 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Jordan and they pull Hopkins, and Joe Mixon reads it 124 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: out very very well and they're doing a good job 125 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of times they're you know, they're setting 126 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: the edge, you know, with a pin and getting all 127 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: the way to the outside with Joe Mixon and Dan 128 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the other thing that it does instead of a defensive 129 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: lineman knowing they're just going to come off and double 130 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: team me. Now I'm getting hit from this side, I'm 131 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: getting hit from that side. They're pulling in front of me. 132 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it gives you much more to think about 133 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: and you can't be as as you know, forceful because 134 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: you only have one thing to worry about. Now you 135 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: have to not be as aggressive, and it helps you 136 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: in pass protection helps you in a lot of ways 137 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: if you attack guys from all different angles and they're 138 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: getting hit from everywhere instead of just knowing exactly what's coming. 139 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: John Ross was back last week. He was in for 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: roughly half of the offensive snaps. His stats are modest 141 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: to catch his twenty eight yards, but did his presence 142 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: affect the defense and play a big role in the 143 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Bengals going for a season high four hundred and fifty 144 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: one yards. I think so. I think. I think that 145 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the very first play was on the field, I wanted 146 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: to see if there was a safety over the top, 147 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: and there was. You know, he had a corner underneath 148 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: safety over the top. So I think honestly, Joe Mixon 149 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: had a career high rushing of one hundred and forty 150 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: six yards. The box wasn't as crowded. Why John Ross 151 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: was back. So it not only helps other receivers, but 152 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: it you know, it gives running lanes inside for Joe Mixon. 153 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: The box gets emptied out a little bit more. You know. 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: That's why they were talking about. You know, down there 155 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: at the four yard line, they had played two safeties 156 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: high and they had the box unloaded. There were very 157 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: few people in the box and that's why they went 158 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: with the quarterback draw. You know, it's like, man, all 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: we talked about for the first you know, half of 160 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: the season is they were playing in a closet and 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: everybody was the line of scrim at seven, eight, even 162 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: nine guys in the box. So I do think I 163 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: do think that John Ross factor was was real, and 164 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: he played maybe half the snaps. I think he played 165 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: like thirty five snaps something like. That's fifty three percent 166 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: of the offense, fifty three percenty offense. And I think 167 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: they had seventy two snaps, so he probably had you know, 168 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: thirty six or seven as thirty seven snaps. Two catches 169 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: for twenty six twenty eight yards, so in one of 170 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: them was a twenty yard or so, he you know, 171 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: didn't have a It wasn't a big oh looking at stats, Wow, 172 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: John Ross had a major impact, but on a snap 173 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: by snap basis, I think his presence benefited others. The 174 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: youngest Bengal Michael Jordan, has taken every snap at left 175 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: guard the last two games. He started four out of 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: the first five, then he mostly watched for six. Now 177 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: he's starting again evaluate his rookie season. I think that 178 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: he learned a big lesson because in Pittsburgh the offensive 179 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: line and have a very good game with eight quarterback 180 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: sacks and uh Cameron Hayward, who he was blocking. He 181 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: had two and a half of them, and you know, 182 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: I think he learned a lesson. Cameron Hayward said, welcome 183 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: to the NFL, rookie and uh and took it to him. 184 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: But with that said, he's and he was dinged up 185 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. He had a little bit of an 186 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: injury to his legs. So he's recovered from that, and 187 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: he's recovered mentally from what took place. And I credit 188 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: him because you have two choices, roll over and play 189 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: dead or fight back, and he fought back and he's 190 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: played well the last couple of games. Now. He is long, strong, 191 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: he can move when they when he pulls, he can move. 192 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: He's got a big body with big feet, and he 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: gets puts, picks him up and puts them down out there. 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, and and the thing that is impressive with 195 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: guys that size going against smaller people, it's like, you know, 196 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: an eighteen wheeler trying to change direction with the maserati 197 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: when you're out there blocking smaller people, and that eighteen 198 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: wheel had changed his direction pretty well. He's got some ability, 199 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: you know, athletic ability in space. So I think he's 200 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: got a bright future. I think, you know, when he 201 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: first started out, I think it was he didn't know 202 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: what he didn't know. Now at least he knows what 203 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: he didn't know, and now he's trying to figure out 204 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: how to understand what he didn't know. And I think 205 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: that's you know, his graph is going up. He's making 206 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: big progress. Another rookie, Jermaine Pratt, was the Bengals leading tackler. 207 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: He had eight tackles, six solos. Is his graph going up? 208 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: Should we should we be optimistic about Jermaine Pratt? I 209 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: think he is improving. The one thing that I've noticed, though, 210 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: is for a guy that played safety and now he's 211 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: getting bigger and gone to linebacker, a lot of times 212 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: when he's in coverage or even trying to make players 213 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: in the running game out in space, he doesn't change 214 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: direction really well. You know, he's a little stiff, you know, 215 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: like he'll take him two or three steps. He'll run 216 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: by running backs that are cutting back or receivers. It's like, well, 217 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: I thought, a guy that you know, had played the 218 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: safety position may have a little bit quicker change of direction, 219 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more athletic ability than he's shown. And 220 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's if it's just, you know, 221 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: he's being overly cautious or I don't know, or if 222 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: physically he just that's not part of his repertoire. So 223 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: we'll have to watch that a little bit more. But 224 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: I do think I do think he's getting better. I 225 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: think repetition breeds comfort level. I think he is seeing 226 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: things a little bit better, and I think he's making 227 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: more plays. But I thought he'd be a little bit 228 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: tighter coverage in space and be able to close on 229 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: people a little bit more athletically than he's shown to 230 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: this point. Maybe that's all going to come though. This 231 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: will be the eighth and possibly last time the Bengals 232 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: ever face Tom Brady. At age forty two, He's six 233 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: and one against the Bengals. It's completed sixty seven percent 234 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: of his passes, fifteen touchdowns, three interceptions, passer rating of 235 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: one oh seven point eight. The last time he came 236 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, the Bengals won thirteen to six in the rain, 237 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 1: but in the other six games against the Bengals of 238 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: the Patriots have scored thirty four or more points in 239 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: every single one. When you watch Tom Brady, what stands 240 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: out everything about him, his poise, his demeanor, his physical 241 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: and mental presence of I'm in complete control. There's nothing 242 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: I haven't seen, There's nothing you can do there's going 243 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: to rattle me. I've seen every defensive concept known to 244 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: man multiple times, and I'm ready. I'm prepared. You're right. 245 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: The last time they were here, there was a you know, 246 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: just a monsoon when they had the football and that 247 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: broke I think it was fifty some odd street games 248 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: where he had a touchdown pass and he that broke 249 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: that streak the last time he was here in Cincinnati. 250 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: So maybe they can hold him without a touchdown pass again. 251 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: You know, But watching him on tape a little bit 252 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: this year, he at forty two. I don't care who 253 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: you are. His skills have diminished. He's not he's still 254 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: a good football player, but he's not what he was physically. 255 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: And he's got Edelman and a bunch of other guys. 256 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a whole lot of weapons, so physically 257 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: he's not capable of lifting everybody. And now they don't 258 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: have enough weapons to lift him. So he's kind of 259 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: caught in almost the perfect storm. And uh, and they're 260 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: struggling a little bit offensively. They're going to a lot 261 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: of gadget plays, a lot of gimmick plays that are 262 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: Josh mcdannel's doing a great job of calling him and 263 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: calling him at the perfect time. And that's the key, 264 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: is when you call them and and he's doing a 265 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: great job of calling in the Patriots are executing them. 266 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: But Tom Brady is It'd be hard to pick who's 267 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: more competitive, Bill Belichick or Tom Brady, and they're they're 268 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: both like ubra ubra competitive and will do anything it 269 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: takes to win a football game. And I've always said 270 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: many times over the years here in Cincinnati, the reason 271 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: we had a good decade in the eighties that that 272 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: led to a couple of Super Bowls is some of 273 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: our our best players or some of our best people, 274 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, highlighted by Anthony Winios. And then you get 275 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson, Boomer Sias in a quarterback, and you've got 276 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,239 Speaker 1: you know, the list can go on and on, Chris Collinsworth, 277 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: Isaac Curtis and you know all these guys, um Tom 278 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: Brady being the guy he is, the kind of guy 279 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: he is when you're your best player is working his 280 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: tail off to become even a better player, it lifts 281 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: the whole boat. And Tom Brady works harder than anybody. 282 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: First guy there, last guy to leave still after twenty 283 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: years of it. Um, you know, and there's a lot 284 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: of reason to go home, Giselle. That's a good reason 285 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: to go home with the beautiful children they have. But 286 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like you, you say to yourself, 287 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: look what Tom's doing? Am I doing enough? Man? I 288 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: bet I better pick it up? And that's that's what 289 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: he's brought to the organization for many, many, many years. 290 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: The New England Patriots come to town with a little 291 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: added motivation. This week they've lost two straight. People are 292 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: accusing them of being cheaters again. Do the Bengal stand 293 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: a chance? Lap and if sell? How boy, what they 294 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: have to do is they've been playing hard, but they 295 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: haven't been playing smart enough. Haven't been making enough players 296 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: and playing smart enough. And against the Patriots, you have 297 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: to play smart because they take every mistake you make 298 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: and rub your face in it and capitalize on it. 299 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: And somehow their mistakes don't lead to tragedy and your 300 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: mistakes lead to huge misfortune. I mean, that's just the 301 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: way they win. And they jump on you the slightest 302 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: blip they're jumping on it. They're plus nineteen in the 303 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: turnover department. You got to take care of the football 304 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: if you can somehow force to turnover too. If you 305 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: can finish plus in the turnover department like they did 306 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns in the last game, the first 307 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: time all year that they've done that, they have a 308 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: punchers chance if they don't. If they don't win the 309 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: turnover margin, they give the Patriots extra possessions and minimize 310 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: their own. It could be in big trouble. Because the 311 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: Patriots are allowing less than thirteen points a game. The 312 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: Bengals are scoring it just over fifteen points a game. 313 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: So will the Bengals offense be able to do enough 314 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: in terms of scoring to make it a competitive game 315 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: against his Patriot defenses than one in the NFL and 316 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: points allowed the myriad of other things. Let's ignore the 317 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: videotaping controversy for a second and discuss Bill Belichick's coaching ability. 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: He's taking the Patriots to nine Super Bowls. He's won six. 319 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: This is the seventeenth consecutive year the Patriots have won 320 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: ten or more games. It's unbelievable. What makes him one 321 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: of the greatest coaches in any sport of all time. 322 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: Number One, they've been dominant. Number two, they have been 323 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: in a crappy division that they can dominate. So you know, 324 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: every year the Dolphins have struggled, the Bills have had 325 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: their issues, you know, the Jets have had their issues. 326 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it's been the best team in the NFL 327 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: in the worst division. So they're gonna win close to 328 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: ten games almost by default, so you know part of that, 329 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: that's part of the reason. But with that said, he's 330 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: a genius. He's a football menza and he has an 331 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: answer for every situation. In fact, he has multiple answers 332 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: for every situation that arises during the course of a 333 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: football game, and he will rotate in those answers freely 334 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: and very wisely during the course of the game. Plus, 335 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: and with that said, he surrounds himself with players that 336 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: are versatile to be able to do all of those 337 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: things and all those variances in situational football and have 338 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: the intelligence to comprehend it. So he has a big 339 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: inventory of things to draw from, and he has smart 340 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: enough players to be able to draw from a big inventory, 341 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: and the players believe in what he's doing and he 342 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: believes in his players and that trust is a big, 343 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: big deal. And I didn't even mention his greatest achievement 344 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: of all. He once went eleven and five as the 345 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Belichick's all time record 346 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: against the Bengals is fifteen and four, and believe it 347 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: or not, there's little difference between his time in Cleveland 348 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: and his time in New England. He was nine and 349 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: two against the Bengals as the Brown's head coach, and 350 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: he's eight and two since arriving in New England. Now 351 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: time for this week's locker room conversation as I visit 352 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: with a third year defensive lineman who had the bengals 353 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: only sack of Baker Mayfield last week and would love 354 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: to get one this week against three time NFL MVP, 355 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: four time Super Bowl MVP, and six time Super Bowl 356 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: winning quarterback Tom Brady. We're in the locker room with 357 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 1: Karl Lawson. Over the last four weeks, opposing offenses are 358 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: averaging less than fifteen points a game against the Bengals. 359 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Do you feel like the defense has turned a corner 360 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: and has become a strength of the team. Yeah, I 361 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: think we're definitely improving and we just need to keep 362 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: keep on building and keep on working. Yeah we're not 363 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: we want to be. A record shows that, but one 364 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: thing you can't do is just regret. So we just gotta, 365 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, keep on working. Anything stand out to you 366 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: in particular during this stretch, I think just health health, health, 367 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: and then just people just know and knowing the situation 368 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: that the jobs on the line. Um, especially you know 369 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: in this league is when you got a record that 370 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: that we have. You know a lot of people are 371 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: auditioning for not just um this team, but other teams 372 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: around the league. So I'm bean this can end quick, 373 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: So people gotta be on the toes. We're talking to 374 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Carl loss and with Sam Hubbard out, you were in 375 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: there for more than ninety percent of the snaps last 376 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: week and started the game. How was that for you? 377 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: It was good, It's really um. He does so many 378 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: different things for our defense, so that allows other people 379 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: to be who they are. UM. So, as you know, 380 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: I had to fill in for him, and it was 381 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: just you know, asked him on different tips and stuff 382 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: at his position and things that he did. So UM, 383 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: I felt good. He does a lot of things and 384 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: you did a lot of things. Last week, you drop 385 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: back into coverage quite a bit. How's your comfort level 386 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: on doing that? My comfort level is uny thing that 387 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: would do a defense is good. I could be a 388 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: great player anytime I'm out there in the field. Um 389 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, Um, yeah, there's no difference in you know 390 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: what I gotta go out there and do. It's just 391 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: everybody has a role on their defense, as you know 392 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: what My role is mainly for a team issus just 393 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: go um and you know, pass rush situations. But I'm 394 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: also excellent rundefender, so when my number is called, I'm 395 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: able to do that. I'm talking to Carl Loss and 396 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: you tore your ACL in October of last year. Do 397 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: you even think about that anymore? Is it completely out 398 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: of mind? Um? It was. It was kind of like, 399 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, in the first beginning of the season, and 400 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: I had a hamstring, so it just adds a bunch 401 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: of stuff on. After the bye week, I really started 402 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: to feel like myself again, So you know, I don't 403 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: think about it coming into the bye week because I 404 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: was like I had the hamstring on top of it 405 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: coming off the ACL, so it's hard to move and 406 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: a little a little slow out there and process stuff. 407 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: But now I'm starting to get comfortable. Carl, you're known 408 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: for your pass rushing ability. I happened to be walking 409 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: behind you in the hallway a couple of days ago 410 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: when you're on your way to lunch and you were 411 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: working on your pass rush moves. You're doing, like, you know, 412 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: swim moves and stuff like that. Do you find yourself 413 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: kind of unconsciously constantly working on your technique? Yeah, not 414 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: just passion us anything that I have to do in football. 415 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: I want to constantly work to get better because I mean, 416 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: my goal is to be the best, no matter of 417 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: the situation than I am. And now eventually over my career, 418 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I strive to be the best. And so I'm gonna 419 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: just keep working and do that. And so anytime I 420 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: can walk around the corner or set an edge or 421 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, work on my coverage responsibility in my head, 422 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. And you know that's I'm gonna 423 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: do a few more questions for Carl Lawson. You face 424 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the Patriots this week. Would sacking Brady be different from 425 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: sacking anybody else? Oh? Yeah, it's definitely all the time 426 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: dream of mine. I mean, you know, he's the he's 427 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: the goat for a reason, and definitely maybe if I 428 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: get a sack on him, you know, it might rub 429 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: off of me and help my game. So I mean 430 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: that'd be an all the time dream to, you know, 431 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: get a sack on Brady. But I mean it's honestly 432 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: just honored to be on the field with him and 433 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: play against him because he's you know, he's a constant pro. 434 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: The way take here himself, the way he's consistent. You know, 435 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: it's um, it's true blessing. You put a lot of 436 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: time and energy into maintaining your body. Do you have 437 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 1: an added level of respect for a guy that seems 438 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: to be obsessed with his Oh, I have a ton 439 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: of respect for Tom Brady. I mean, he's done it 440 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: for twenty years, and that's something I kind of want 441 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: to kind of want to do. I don't I don't 442 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: really plan on, like, um, not playing a long time. 443 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: I kind of see this these first four years, the 444 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: early early stages in my career, and after that I 445 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: want to play shoot like Cam waglong, like to like 446 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: maybe thirty eight, you know, and that way I can 447 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: you know, be in an all time SAT conversation. Last thing. 448 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: You guys don't have a chance to go to the 449 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: postseason this year, do you relish the opportunity to be 450 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: a spoiler to try to hurt the Patriots or another 451 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: team's playoff chances? No, for me, these even though I'm 452 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: not in the playoff. For me, it's taking these games 453 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: and getting the experience to um to go into next 454 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: year a better player. That's that's the main thing I 455 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: get from it is just going out there and now I, 456 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, out there and getting these games in so 457 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: I can get the experience so I can coming next 458 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: year a better player and and get close close to 459 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: my goals. So that's what I don't really care about 460 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: spoiling anyways, you know, and I care about plans I 461 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: can get better. Appreciate your time, best of luck this week. 462 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. That's Carl Lawson. The Patriots are on the 463 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: verge of wrapping up a playoff spot for the eleventh 464 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: straight year. That would give Bill Belichick a new NFL 465 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: record for consecutive playoff berths by a head coach. He 466 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: currently shares the record with Tony Dungee. But after an 467 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: eight no start, the Patriots have sputtered a bit they've 468 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: dropped three of their last five games, albeit to the 469 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: other three first placed teams in the AFC Baltimore, Houston, 470 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: and Kansas City. For more on the Patriots, the radio 471 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: voice Bob Socy joined us for this week's No the 472 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: Fox segment. Let's talk about the big story this week 473 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: in both cities, and that is Spygate two point zero. 474 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: I hate to even use the term, but how is 475 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: that playing New England. It's playing about as you would imagine, 476 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: having spent a fair amount of time in these parts yourself, 477 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: of course, and I do miss those days when we 478 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: were together, able to get lunch once in a while 479 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: in Boston. But obviously it's dominated the conversation here a 480 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: lot of different narratives. I will say that, you know, locally, 481 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: it's been a very strong and a reaction somewhat mixed, 482 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: but you know, the Patriots in a situation where you know, 483 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: the past precedes them, and I think locally people are 484 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: taking a somewhat waiting to the approach by and large, 485 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: but nonetheless, you know, obviously it's a story that has 486 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of coverage and gotten a lot of 487 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: play on the radio and as well in print and 488 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: on and on the world wide Web, Bob. I guess 489 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: the thing that almost amazes everybody is when me and 490 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Jeanie was coach of the Jets, the Patriots got their 491 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: you know thumb in advice about filming sidelines, filming signals, 492 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: and even though this isn't a football operations as such, 493 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: although they were doing a documentary as on a football 494 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: operations guy and advance scout, he is a football operations guy. 495 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Is it just a case of the left hand not 496 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: knowing what the right hand is doing? Was Bill Belichick 497 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: left out of the loop as to what this videographer 498 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: might be doing from a responsibility standpoint when they were 499 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: putting together this feature story they were doing. Yeah, and Dave, 500 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: let me the first backtrack a bit and explain a 501 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: couple of things about where I am and what I do. 502 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: I am employed full time by the radio station. I 503 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: do a lot of work though for Craft Sports Productions 504 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: and have for the last six seasons. This is my 505 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: seventh year overall, pass into my second year of the team, 506 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: started to do work on a part time basis for KST. 507 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: Cash Sports Production is a pretty innovative wing of the 508 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: Craft group and the Patriots organization. For example, a couple 509 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: of years ago, out of Super Bowl fifty two, they 510 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: put together twenty four hour network all week long in 511 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: the Twin Cities. They're not done network. Last year they 512 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: took a different approach and nonetheless provided a lot of 513 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: content as well that week. It's the kind of out 514 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: of the box thinking that they have done with a 515 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: lot of support from from the organization, and they have 516 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: been running this to Your Job series. This is I believe, 517 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: the second season of it. They have featured college scouts 518 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: in the past, equipment people. Nancy Myers is the long 519 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: time personnel assistant for the Patriots. She's been here for 520 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: forty plus years. Did a piece on the trainers last week. 521 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: So they really make quite a commitment on this side 522 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: of the organization, speaking of KSP, to try to give 523 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: fans who really have an insatiable appetite like elsewhere for 524 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: that kind of content, any peak behind the curtain, if 525 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: you will. So that being said, and I have to 526 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: admit that you know, I know a lot of the 527 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: principles very well. Who right now are you know very 528 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: much you know, concerned about this situation dealing with it? 529 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: Belichick spoke, I can't certainly certainly can't speak for Bill, 530 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: but Bill just spoke a few minutes ago, and then 531 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: this press conference again, I think, more adamantly even than 532 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: in the last forty eight hours, made it clear. Uh 533 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, strongly pounded home the message that 534 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: nobody from football Operations had anything to do with it. 535 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote one of my most respected counterparts from 536 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: around the league and just say that, you know, when 537 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: I've heard of it, and you know, as I followed it, 538 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: I can only say that I can't believe anybody would 539 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, would they really be this dumb to do that? 540 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think so. I just yea and I 541 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: and I understand that the bankals have every right um 542 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: to react the way that they did and bring it 543 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: to the league's attention. And I can't blame them. I 544 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: can't blame one of the questions from Cincinnati. I said earlier, 545 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: the past precedes the team here and all those questions, 546 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, all the scrutiny you certainly warranted. You know. 547 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: My My standpoint though, is that you know, as I 548 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: said earlier, it's waiting see and uh, you know, we 549 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: we in this organization, those of us who cover this 550 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: organization have certainly had the deal with a lot of 551 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: situations over the last however many years, and uh, you know, 552 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: this organization has continued to move forward, and as the 553 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: football team goes, they compartmentalize it as well as anybody 554 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: possibly could. I think, you know, whether it was deflate 555 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: Gate or any other you know, perceived controversy or real 556 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: controversy in the past, this organization does a tremendous job. 557 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: So they'll be focused and ready to go on Sunday, 558 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: that's for sure. I guess As a follow up, I 559 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: guess there just has to be better communication between the 560 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: entities about NFL rules. I mean simple rules. You can't 561 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: you can't video a sideline, so the the independent uh 562 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, worker as we are. I mean, I'm not 563 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: an employee of the Bengals. I'm an independent contractor in 564 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: the video guys, an independent contractor. I guess there has 565 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: to be a better education of the things you can 566 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: and can't do. And you know, Bill, I I mean 567 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: not just in Cincinnati, in New England, around the world, 568 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is known as a guy that knows what 569 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: kind of toilet paper they put them in the dispensers 570 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: in the in the bathrooms, that he knows everything about everything, 571 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: so everybody can't believe they wouldn't have any idea of 572 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: what's going on. But like you say, they are separate departments, 573 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: are compartmentalized. But I think in his mind it's going 574 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: to be like, man, we better have better communication from 575 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: this point forward, because you just you just put me 576 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: in a big time ringer. Well, I think absolutely, you 577 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: know that that's a valid point. I think the organization 578 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: is as much admitted that through its statement, and I 579 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: think that you know, there's there's no excuse for ignorance 580 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: in many situations, and you know, perhaps this is one. 581 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: I will say this. And Bill began his press conference 582 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: by reiterating what he has said many times, whether the 583 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: Patriots were preparing for the Bengals or he was simply 584 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: asked a question about Paul Brown or Mike Brown, that 585 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: he has tremendous respect for the Brown family. And I've 586 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: known that to be the case, for example, because I 587 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: used to cover the Navy football team I called Naval 588 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: Academy Football for sixteen years, and I remember one time 589 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: during a game when I slipped up with a reference 590 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: to Bill Walsh being the father of the West Coast 591 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: offense during a broadcast of Navy in Rutgers. This is 592 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: back in the late nineties, and an old football coach 593 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: at the Naval Academy stopped me the following week and 594 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: gave me a thorough education on the real brain behind 595 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: the West Coast offending to his mind, and that happened 596 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: to be the late Sea Belichick. And I learned a 597 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 1: lot about Paul Brown and Dick Gilman and you know, 598 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: and that Paul Brown coaching tree and all the innovations 599 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick has spoken at great length this week 600 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 1: and every other time I've heard him to discussed Paul Brown. Right, 601 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: he has a lot of respect and I don't know 602 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: how much weight that carries there in Cincinnati, but I 603 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: think it's something that's really important to understand. Our guest 604 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: is the radio voice of the Patrio. It's Bob Socy. 605 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk football a little bit. I've been listening to 606 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: quite a bit of New England sports talk radio this week, 607 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: and I was tremendously amused when I heard the following. 608 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: Somebody said, this is one of the hosts. The Patriots 609 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: sucked this year. They're only going to win one playoff game. 610 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we would have a parade as soon as 611 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals win their next playoff game, hopefully it's not 612 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: too far away. But is that kind of the mood that, yeah, 613 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: they're they're still you know, they're they're good enough to 614 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: win a playoff game. But that's it. Well, Dan, they 615 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: were booted halftime. Granted they didn't have a very good 616 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: second quarters ten and two team. They've always shown great 617 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: resilience and they did, in fact on the second half 618 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: of that game, and they went off the field bowed 619 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: by the fans of Cholette Stadium. It's the nature playing here. 620 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: It's the nature of being as successful as the Patriots 621 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: who've been for the last nineteen seasons, in particular, that 622 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: the expectations are possible to meet, and anything short of 623 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: a championship in the in the minds of some, as 624 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: foolish as it seems elsewhere, is a failure. And with 625 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: this particular team, I think you have kind of a 626 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: confluence of different things. Do you have the concern about 627 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: this team in this moment in two nineteen and then 628 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: attached to those concerns all I think warriors on the 629 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: part of many about the future of the organization with 630 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: a forty two year old quarterback who's not out of 631 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: contract for next year, amid a lot of speculation about 632 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: whether Tom Brady is going to continue playing, and if 633 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: he does, where he's going to play. So I think 634 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: that's that's all the factor. You know, for years, I've heard, 635 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: since I took over this position in two thousand and thirteen, 636 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: that the window was closing. And I think, you know, 637 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: this is a fan base, and it's in great part 638 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: because of the media as well. We're spoiled, and we 639 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: have been spoiled. And you know, I'm of the mind 640 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: that you know, this is something that we should appreciate 641 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: every moment of and I often take for granted myself, 642 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: but then they have to step back and remember what 643 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: it was like when I was calling those Davy games 644 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: and the myths we're losing thirty out of thirty three 645 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: at one point, or however many bad minor league baseball 646 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: teams I covered through the years when we first got 647 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: to know each other by Bob watching this defense that 648 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has assembled this year. Now, granted, there's the 649 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: thing that jumps out at me. He's got a lot 650 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: of seven eight you know, year veterans had been with 651 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: him a long time. They're versatile, they're smart. He trusts them, 652 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: they trust him. I've never seen, honestly, I've never seen 653 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: a group where all eleven guys are exactly where they're 654 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be when they're supposed to be there, doing 655 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: exactly what they're supposed to do. From a technique standpoint, 656 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: it is in play so hard it is a true marvel. 657 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: And as an offensive lineman, I'm looking at man, a 658 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: guy wearing a number in the thirties is you know, 659 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: or in the twenties is coming down and they're bringing 660 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: him down in the box as a linebacker, and they're 661 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: doing it on first down. It's their run defense. But 662 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: they don't have you know, base personnel in there. All. 663 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: My rule would be, okay, I'm not doing rules by 664 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: numbers that they're wearing in New Jersey. It's where they're 665 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: lining up because safeties could be linebackers, linebackers could be 666 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: defensive ends. I mean, they're so so diverse it is 667 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: it must be hell to prepare for when you're an 668 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: offensive player and an offensive coach to go against that unit. 669 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: They're unbelievable. Yeah, Dave, and I think you really saw 670 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: that to the first part of the schedule, in particular 671 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: when they were facing teams that, granted them, are not 672 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: having good seasons. Frankly, they had a soft schedule early on, 673 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: but made so especially because of the inexperience at the 674 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: quarterback position they were facing. And I think you touched 675 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: on a couple of key points, the experience of this 676 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: team and the ten years of Devin mccordy, Patrick Chunk, 677 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: who is one of those guys in the twenties or thirties, 678 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: number twenty three, who's really been one of the first 679 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: players I think in the league that has been that 680 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: hybrid safety slash line. He's a linebacker for the right 681 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: far exactly pro pound pro. Poulet has been really the 682 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: I think as tough as anybody in the league. Has 683 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: been beat up a lot this year and hasn't been 684 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: out there as much as we've seen him, but he's 685 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: kind of a game changing player where you bring him 686 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: into the box, he gives you the coverage ability against 687 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: the tie and end or running back, but also as 688 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: a very solid tackler and a very physical player. And 689 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: with him and mccordy, they've been together since both were 690 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: drafted in Chung's case, I think O nine and Devin's 691 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: case two thousand and ten, with but one exception, and 692 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: that was when Chung was an Eagle for a season. 693 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: There's great communication between those two safeties. John Harmon spend 694 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: here since two thirteen. He's the third safety. He and 695 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Devin mccordy go back to their days at Rutgers. Then 696 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: you throw in guys like Jason mccordy, Devin's twin brother 697 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: back for his sec eight year Dante Hide Tower, who's 698 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: along with Devin mccordy, been a quarterback of that defense. 699 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: They are always on the same page and they talk 700 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: about communication and how important it is to them in 701 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: this defense all the time. And they've they've benefited as 702 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: well from the return of Jamie Collins. He's been a 703 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: different player in two thousand and nineteen than he was 704 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: when they them away to the Browns in twenty sixteen. 705 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: Still a freakish athlete, but I think he's had a 706 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: more focused approach here now that he's been paid and 707 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: also seeing what it was like to be on a 708 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: winless football team, you know. And they just do such 709 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: a great job of putting players in position where they're 710 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: able to succeed and not in position where they're likely 711 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: to fail. So they don't ask players to do things 712 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: and they're not capable of typically, and you look at 713 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: a guy like Adam Butler for example, situational player up front, 714 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: Danny Shelton, guy who's had a good season in the 715 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: second year. They're getting contributions from everybody on the defensive 716 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: side of the ball. Right. My final question for radio 717 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: voice Bob Socie of the Patriots, Julian Edelman is having 718 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: a tremendous year, but how mediocre has the play been 719 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: of the other receiving targets between wide receivers and tight ends. Dan, 720 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: you're you're putting it kindly in the minds that you 721 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: mentioned the fans in sports stock circles here, and I 722 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: have to say it also starts and includes the guys 723 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: a pump because as much continuity and cohesiveness as they've 724 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: enjoyed defensively, it hasn't been their offensively either on the 725 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: line at the tight end positions. They're missing their fullback 726 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: teams definitely haven't had a running game to help off 727 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: set the lack of you know, their their their threats 728 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: at receiver. So it started when they lost David Andrews 729 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: as a center, and then as they win and the 730 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 1: left tackle was out for a long time. This year, 731 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: Jake Devlon, who was key last Yearly reinvented themselves became 732 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: a power running team late in the season and that 733 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: was really the springboard to success against Chargers and Chiefs 734 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: and the Ansty playoffs. But as you saw when they 735 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: went out and they brought in Antonio Brown, they were searching. 736 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: It's mack almost of desperation, and that's been a recurrent 737 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: problem actually the last two years. When they went out 738 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: and got Josh Board and initially in twenty and eighteen, 739 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: it was a sign of the problems they've had on 740 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: the outside of just lacking someone to affect coverage. And 741 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: it's amplified now because you don't have Rob Gronkowski as 742 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: well as Edelman. When Gronkowski was here last year, he 743 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: really struggled through the season physically and wasn't the same 744 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: force in the passing offense for much of the year. 745 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: But he still forced defensive coordinators to make that decision, 746 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: you know, am I really going to write him off 747 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: this week? Or am I going to have to play 748 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: him the way we typically do? And dictate coverage around him. 749 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: And now what we're seeing a lot of lately is 750 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: teams know that they can double Edelman and they don't 751 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: run the risk of being being outside or having somebody 752 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: else to be that quick outlet for Brady. And they're 753 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: pressuring Brady a lot more and his numbers are dramatically 754 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 1: dipping when facing pressure. And the last week, in particular 755 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: against Kansas City, I think we saw a lot of 756 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: a lot of games and starts up brought with us 757 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: with his own pressures and blitzes on Brady and with 758 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: Edelman as this one guy that he truly seems to trust. 759 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: You know, this offense has been hamstrung in a lot 760 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: of ways. Finally, and appreciate carving all the time. I'm 761 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: just did our special teams the all important third phase. 762 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: The Bengals three out of the four phases, they're in 763 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: the top ten, and you know they're sixth in covering 764 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: punts third and kickoff returns fifth and covering kickoffs the 765 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: Patriots seventh, and kickoff coverage ninth and punt return ninth 766 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: and punt coverage, plus they have four blocked punts. I 767 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: think the matchup between the special teams coaches and the 768 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: players that they coach, is going to be very interesting 769 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: in this one, no doubt about it, Dave. And it's 770 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: interesting as well. In addition to the lines of Bill 771 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: uttered today's press conference about Mike Brown, the next thing 772 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: you talked about where the Bengals special teams. The Patriots 773 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: have a punter and Jake Bailey who has become a 774 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: weapon for them with Matthew Sladder and Justin Bethel in 775 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: particular at the gunner positions. Those are guys who have 776 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: ten Pro Bowl appearances between them, and later has scored 777 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: a touchdown on a block punt recovering and he's blocked 778 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,760 Speaker 1: a punt that's set up the Patriots for a touchdown 779 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: as well, and he has been I think that the 780 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: standard setter in the NFL at that position during his 781 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:12,439 Speaker 1: career as a Patriot. They haven't necessarily done well, of course, 782 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: in the other phase of kicking, and that's where they're 783 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: place kickers. They're on their fourth the season, Nick Folk 784 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: because of an early injury to Stephen Gostkowski, but I 785 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: think in Folk they have confidence. He had an appendeck 786 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: to me a couple of weeks ago, so he had 787 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: a one week. Hiatus Kai forbass came in here against 788 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: Houston Folk return last week. I think there's confidence that 789 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: folks can at least steady them in that phase. But 790 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: you touched on the block punts. That's four of them 791 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: this year, franchise record for the team won away from 792 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: the Chiefs in nineteen ninety. And they've done it in 793 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: different ways. They've done it up the middle, they've done 794 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: it from the outside. John Jones is a guy that's 795 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 1: an exceptional special teams player. JC Jackson as another who's 796 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: developed into a special team's days. Belichick devotes probably more 797 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: resources than anyone when it comes to the middle class 798 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: of the roster and the little class of the salary cap. 799 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: When it comes to special teams and the scenario that 800 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: he's criticized for frequently when they're going through rough patches 801 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: as they are now, people wonder why aren't they devoting 802 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: more to their offense. Why do they have all these 803 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: guys like Nate Avenue, for example, a rugby player from 804 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: Ohio State who's a course special team are and blocked 805 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: upon last week to help turn things around a bit 806 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs. But that's Bill's philosophy. He sees it. 807 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: There's almost three equal phases of the game, and he's 808 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: going to allocate resources to special teams like few others, 809 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: if any others. And I think we've seen that this year. 810 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: Like I said, the Bengals are terrific. He's noted that 811 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,959 Speaker 1: and it's always been that way our thanks to Bob 812 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: Socie him. That's going to do it for this episode 813 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: of the podcast. If you haven't done so already, don't 814 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 1: forget to subscribe, and if you have a minute, give 815 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: it a rating or share a comment. Five star ratings 816 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde 817 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: and thank you for listening to the Bengals Boot Podcast. 818 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: M