WEBVTT - What's up with Facebook Libra?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios,

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works and iHeart Radio and I love all

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<v Speaker 1>things tech. And in the middle of June two thousand nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook released a white paper describing a planned digital currency

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<v Speaker 1>called Libra, which has been described as a blockchain cryptocurrency,

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<v Speaker 1>though there are a lot of people who object to

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<v Speaker 1>one or both of those terms being used to describe Libra.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this episode, I figured we talked about Libra,

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<v Speaker 1>What is it, who is behind it? How is it

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<v Speaker 1>similar to and different from currencies like bitcoin and and

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<v Speaker 1>then fiat currencies, and and why should we even care

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<v Speaker 1>about it? Well, let's get that last one out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way first. Actually, we should care because Facebook is

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous freaking company with billions of users. Moreover, at

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<v Speaker 1>a company that purchased WhatsApp and runs Facebook Messenger, and

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<v Speaker 1>has an incredible incentive to incorporate a proprietary currency system

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<v Speaker 1>that can be fully integrated into those platforms. So we

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<v Speaker 1>should care because this goes beyond big business. Also, as

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<v Speaker 1>I record this on July three, two th nineteen. Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and its services like What's Happen Instagram are all having problems,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with showing photos. So that kind of thing can

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<v Speaker 1>shake a person's confidence in a company. Though, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's unfair to judge a company on the occasional technological hiccup.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also fair to say Facebook has had a recent,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, troubling history. Next, while people are often referring

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<v Speaker 1>to Libra as Facebook's approach to currency, that's not entirely accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose I'm not being very helpful calling it Facebook Libra.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook is actually just a co founder of a group

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<v Speaker 1>called the Libra Association, which also has members like Spotify, MasterCard, eBay, Uber,

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<v Speaker 1>and a whole bunch more. It's an quote independent, not

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<v Speaker 1>for profit membership organization headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland end quote Switzerland,

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<v Speaker 1>known for its discretion with banking. That's not snark, It

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<v Speaker 1>really is known for that. To be included in this

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<v Speaker 1>August association, the organization has to meet some pretty steep criteria,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also stand to benefit the most from the

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<v Speaker 1>adoption of Libra. But let's work our way to that point. First,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a look at what was actually said. The

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<v Speaker 1>first phrase in the white paper is quote Libra's mission

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<v Speaker 1>is to enable a simple global currency and financial infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>that empowers billions of people end quote. Personal commentary aside,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a phrase that should be evaluated critically

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<v Speaker 1>with some skepticism. Does the proposed digital currency actually align

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<v Speaker 1>with this stated mission? Now? I think from my tone

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell it's pretty clear where I stand on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am sincerely going to attempt to take an

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<v Speaker 1>objective approach so that people can draw their own conclusions. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend that if this is a very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>topic to you, you seek out multiple sources to get

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<v Speaker 1>a full picture of this. The white paper goes into

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<v Speaker 1>detail with a problem statement. This describes what LIBRA is

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<v Speaker 1>intended to address. Namely, quote, large swaths of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>population are still left behind. One point seven billion adults

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<v Speaker 1>globally remain outside of the financial system with no access

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<v Speaker 1>to a traditional bank, even though one billion have a

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<v Speaker 1>mobile phone and nearly half a billion have Internet access

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. So presumably one of libra's main purposes is

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<v Speaker 1>to empower people who otherwise would have no access to banks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a noble cause, and one that is really needed.

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<v Speaker 1>In many parts of the world. Financial institutions can provide

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<v Speaker 1>security and protect wealth, and a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>little to no access to them, so changing that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a good thing. The problem statement continues and describes

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<v Speaker 1>some of the barriers that unbanked people face when attempting

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<v Speaker 1>to change their financial situation, and it also addresses some

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<v Speaker 1>of the issues of blockchain and cryptocurrency solutions and their limitations. Namely,

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<v Speaker 1>the white paper rightfully points out that these cryptocurrencies and

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<v Speaker 1>blockchain solutions have had some major issues with volatility and scalability.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, the value of these currencies can change

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<v Speaker 1>dramatically and rapidly, and it's hard to get them scaled

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<v Speaker 1>up to enough adoption that they can become legitimate currencies

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<v Speaker 1>for the general public. If they aren't adopted as and

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<v Speaker 1>if no one is using them, then really they're not currency.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I think we need to talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the concept of currency in general and how

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<v Speaker 1>it works. Now, for a lot of you, this is

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<v Speaker 1>all gonna be super basic, but you know, I like

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<v Speaker 1>to start from the general and work towards the specific

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can have a full understanding of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? So way back when, before the invention of money,

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<v Speaker 1>humans relied on bartering for trade. So essentially, person one

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<v Speaker 1>would have something that person too wanted, and person too

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<v Speaker 1>had something that person one wanted. They'd have to come

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<v Speaker 1>to an agreement over how much of each something would

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<v Speaker 1>be an equitable trade, and this could change from person

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<v Speaker 1>to person based upon need. Supply and demand determined everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you had a whole bunch of stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>was plentiful in general in your region, chances are it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't do you much good because as everyone had enough

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<v Speaker 1>of it at their fingertips. But if you traveled to

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<v Speaker 1>a place that didn't have access to that same stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be in a good position to come back with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of things you needed. That's basic bartering. One

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<v Speaker 1>oh one. Now, sometime around six hundred b c E.

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<v Speaker 1>A king of a region called Lydia which now is

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<v Speaker 1>in modern day Turkey created a currency, the first recorded

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<v Speaker 1>instance we have of an official currency. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>form of coins, and the coins were made from electrum,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an alloy of gold and silver. Uh The

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<v Speaker 1>king's son Creases, would issue the first gold coins, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact he would amass an enormous amount of wealth,

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<v Speaker 1>and today you can still hear people say rich as creases.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the creases to whom they are referring. These

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<v Speaker 1>kings of Lydia would later be connected with the the

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<v Speaker 1>myth of King Midas and the Golden Touch. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>important concept here was one of standardization. The coins represented

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<v Speaker 1>distinct units of wealth and value, so rather than bartering

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<v Speaker 1>with physical goods, you can buy and sell with coins.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can still haggle to come to an agreement

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<v Speaker 1>on the value of any particular good or service, but

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<v Speaker 1>now payment could be exchanged with coins rather than with

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<v Speaker 1>other physical things. So if you had a bunch of sheep,

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<v Speaker 1>then you needed some grain, but the guy who had

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<v Speaker 1>the grain didn't have any need for wool or for sheep.

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<v Speaker 1>You could sell some of your stuff for coins at

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<v Speaker 1>a market. Then you can use those coins to buy

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff you needed. So far, so good. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>for currency to work, that standardized approach was really necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone has to agree upon the actual value of the

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<v Speaker 1>currency itself, and in the old days, this was partly

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<v Speaker 1>determined by what the coins were made out of. Making

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<v Speaker 1>coins from precious metals seemed to make total sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know not sense if you catch my drift. The

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<v Speaker 1>value was intrinsic in the coins themselves because of the

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<v Speaker 1>material they were made out of, was already seen as

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<v Speaker 1>being valuable gold and silver, for example, as for paper

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<v Speaker 1>money that dates back to around eight hundred CE. In

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<v Speaker 1>China during the Tang dynasty, the Tang government issued certificates

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<v Speaker 1>that represented a certain number of metal coins. The certificates

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<v Speaker 1>could be redeemed for those metal coins at the Chinese capital,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government would issue these certificates when it needed

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase goods that were from the further reaches of

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<v Speaker 1>the empire. Because transporting large amounts of metal currency was

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<v Speaker 1>difficult and dangerous, the certificates were much easier to carry

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<v Speaker 1>and they were transferable, meaning you could trade a certificate

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<v Speaker 1>to someone else and that person could then redeem that

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<v Speaker 1>certificate for its value in coins if they were to

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<v Speaker 1>travel to the Chinese opital. And so people on the

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<v Speaker 1>outer regions of China would use these certificates as currency

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<v Speaker 1>itself when making trades, never bothering to actually cash them

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<v Speaker 1>in for any metal coins. The certificates and that cells

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<v Speaker 1>were good enough. When Marco Polo traveled to China he

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<v Speaker 1>learned of the paper currency. They brought that knowledge back

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<v Speaker 1>to Europe. That was in the late thirteenth century, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be until the mid seventeenth century then the

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<v Speaker 1>first bank notes would be issued in Europe, specifically in Sweden.

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<v Speaker 1>For a long time, currencies were either made of precious

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<v Speaker 1>materials or stood in representation of a fixed amount of

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<v Speaker 1>those precious materials, so a silver standard or a gold standard.

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<v Speaker 1>So in a country that used the gold standard, you

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<v Speaker 1>could theoretically take your paper currency to a bank and

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<v Speaker 1>exchange it for an amount of gold that was equal

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<v Speaker 1>to the value of that currency. Now, in theory, this

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<v Speaker 1>would mean that a country on the gold standard would

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<v Speaker 1>automatically have some checks and balance is in place. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of that limitation, the issuing government couldn't circulate more currency

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<v Speaker 1>than what it's gold reserves contained. At least ethically, they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't do that. You could only issue as many bank

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<v Speaker 1>notes as would reflect the total amount of gold you

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<v Speaker 1>had on hand, since in theory, everyone holding those notes

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<v Speaker 1>could demand their gold at any time, and based on

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<v Speaker 1>the system, you should be able to hand it over,

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<v Speaker 1>So you shouldn't have more notes available than you have gold.

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<v Speaker 1>In your supply, but the United States and much of

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world abandoned that standard in the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century. During the Great Depression, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

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<v Speaker 1>chose to sever the US paper currencies relationship with gold.

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<v Speaker 1>This allowed the government to issue more currency, which obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't if they had to rely on just how

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<v Speaker 1>much gold was in the reserves. But this allowed them

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<v Speaker 1>to lower the interest rates and thus stimulate the economy.

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<v Speaker 1>People could take out loans with lower interest, and interest

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<v Speaker 1>is really how more wealth is generated. Because let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you take a loan for a certain amount, Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hundred dollars, and then there's interest on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that loan. So you've taken out a hundred dollar loan.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you're finished paying it off, you've paid out

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and twenty dollars For that hundred dollar loan.

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<v Speaker 1>You've generated twenty more dollars of wealth there. But now

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<v Speaker 1>the currency wasn't rooted on a specific commodity. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what we would call a fiat currency, which depends upon

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<v Speaker 1>supply and demand of the currency itself as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the stability of the financial institution. Or government that issues

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<v Speaker 1>the currency in the first place. This is also what

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<v Speaker 1>makes it not a big deal when governments change the

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<v Speaker 1>materials they use to mint coins. There have been times

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<v Speaker 1>when shortages and precious metals have forced governments to change

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<v Speaker 1>to less rare and therefore less valuable materials to make

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<v Speaker 1>their coins, But fiat currency gets around that. The government

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately determines how much of the currency should enter circulation.

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<v Speaker 1>If a government was to create too much currency, it

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<v Speaker 1>would risk triggering hyperinflation, in which the value of the

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<v Speaker 1>currency decreases dramatically. Fiat essentially means let it be done,

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<v Speaker 1>so that kind of tells you how it's meant to

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<v Speaker 1>stand on its own. As long as people have confidence

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<v Speaker 1>in the issuing body and there's not a sudden flood

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<v Speaker 1>of currency, the value remains pretty stable day to day.

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<v Speaker 1>I could do a whole episode about how currency gets

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<v Speaker 1>into circulation, mostly through loans and banks and stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of outside the realm of tech stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>explain fiat currency mostly because Librick sort of straddles a

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<v Speaker 1>category and it dips its toe in fiat currency. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not being issued by a government, however, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>being issued by a centralized group. More on that in

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<v Speaker 1>a bit Now, the literature around the Labor Association calls

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<v Speaker 1>it decentralized, but I think that really just depends on

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<v Speaker 1>your point of view. To quote Obi Wan Kenobi, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's really a group of very large companies that are

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of this. So to me, it is centralized.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just centralized and distributed amongst a relatively small number

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<v Speaker 1>of companies. Cryptocurrency then would refer to a group of

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<v Speaker 1>digital currencies that are meant to be decentralized and global.

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<v Speaker 1>With a cryptocurrency, there is no authority that ultimately issues

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<v Speaker 1>more currency. Rather, you typically have an algorithm that dictates

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<v Speaker 1>the supply of currency going into circulation. Cryptocurrency is like

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<v Speaker 1>the famous bitcoin have a limited supply. There's only so

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<v Speaker 1>many bitcoins that will ever exist. They will only enter

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<v Speaker 1>the circulation once, and then once all the bitcoins are

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<v Speaker 1>in circulation, that is it. Once all bitcoins are my

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<v Speaker 1>that's all there ever will be. There will remain in circulation,

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<v Speaker 1>but you won't generate new bitcoins. Now, in this sense,

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<v Speaker 1>they are closer to one of the currencies that are

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<v Speaker 1>based on a commodity, like gold, because there is a

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<v Speaker 1>finite amount of gold on earth, So if everyone still

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<v Speaker 1>had currencies that were tied to gold, eventually we would

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<v Speaker 1>have to stop issuing currency because we would have covered

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<v Speaker 1>all the gold available. But how do you assign actual

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<v Speaker 1>value to something that is purely digital? A bitcoin or

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<v Speaker 1>any other cryptocurrency is just some code. Well, here's the trick.

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<v Speaker 1>It has value if people treat it as having value.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone has something and you want it, then that's

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<v Speaker 1>something they have has a value to you. How much

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<v Speaker 1>value is up for discussion, obviously, so a bitcoin's value

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<v Speaker 1>is dependent upon how much people want it and how

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<v Speaker 1>much they'd be willing to pay for it, or how

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<v Speaker 1>much they would be willing to accept for it. If

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<v Speaker 1>they happen to own some Libra is a slightly different beast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain more in a second, but first let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. Now, one other thing I should mention

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<v Speaker 1>about bitcoin is that it is truly decentralized. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no financial institution in charge of overseeing or regulating the currency. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on the one hand, that means that a government can't

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<v Speaker 1>influence the value of the currency or interfere with fiat

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<v Speaker 1>currencies or sovereign currencies. The whole concept behind them points

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<v Speaker 1>back to how a government can exert influence over the

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<v Speaker 1>financial system through supply and demand of currency, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>in a malevolent way, but certainly in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>is beyond the control of the people relying on that currency. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a downside of this, with bitcoin being so decentral is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's value is incredibly volatile, so it changes rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>and dramatically. In fact, it can change so quickly they

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<v Speaker 1>can cause people to be averse to spending bitcoin once

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<v Speaker 1>they get some. So think of it this way. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you have a dollar bell and you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the store, and based on the value of that dollar

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, you're able to buy a loaf of bread.

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<v Speaker 1>So you buy your loaf of bread and your feeling package.

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<v Speaker 1>You go home and you make yourself a sandwich, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're enjoying your sandwich. And then there's a sudden shift

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<v Speaker 1>in the value of a dollar, and suddenly a dollar's

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<v Speaker 1>value is much higher. Now you could buy let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>ten loaves of bread with that single dollar. The value

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<v Speaker 1>of the dollar dollar has increased, the value of the

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<v Speaker 1>loaf of bread has remained the same. Fiat currency rarely

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<v Speaker 1>experiences that sort of rapid change in value, but it

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<v Speaker 1>can and does happen with some decentralized digital currencies like bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a problem. You might be afraid to spend

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<v Speaker 1>something because you have no idea how much it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be worth from moment to moment. In fact, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the value of your bitcoin is going

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<v Speaker 1>to change in mid transaction. To avoid that problem, the

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<v Speaker 1>Libra Association has anchored or pegged the Libra currency. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a way of tying the value of a currency

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<v Speaker 1>to the value of something else, in this case low

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<v Speaker 1>volatile commodities, including several different currencies including the US dollar,

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<v Speaker 1>the Euro, etcetera. So even as one currency might change,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that Libra's value is spread across numerous commodities

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<v Speaker 1>means that its value won't change much unless we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like a global financial crisis or something, in which

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<v Speaker 1>case Libra's value would also change. The Libra Association effectively

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<v Speaker 1>has a reserve like the old gold reserves during the

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Standard, except this reserve is not filled with precious metals.

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<v Speaker 1>It's filled with low volatility investments and currencies. So Libra

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of like a commodity based currency, but since

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<v Speaker 1>those commodities themselves are largely fiat currencies, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a fiat currency once removed. The Libra Association refers

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<v Speaker 1>to this as a stable coin approach. That's not just

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<v Speaker 1>their term. It is a term for a digital coin

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<v Speaker 1>that is tied to something that's more stable. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>digital currency anchored in real world assets to provide that

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<v Speaker 1>stability and encourage liquidity, in other words, to encourage people

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<v Speaker 1>to actually spend it instead of just sitting on it. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>a cryptocurrency is a digital currency that uses cryptography for security,

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<v Speaker 1>both to protect the people who possess the digital currency

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<v Speaker 1>and to protect the actual transaction process made with that currency.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin fits that description. Bitcoin is also a blockchain cryptocurrency,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are a lot of articles talking about Libra blockchain.

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<v Speaker 1>But personally, I think that that term is misleading or

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<v Speaker 1>in the words of in Ingo Montoya, you'll keep using

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<v Speaker 1>that word. I do not think it means what you

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<v Speaker 1>think it means. So, a block chain, simply put, is

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<v Speaker 1>a chain of data grouped together in blocks of data.

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<v Speaker 1>You can think of it as a chronological record of transactions,

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<v Speaker 1>a chain of blocks future calculations all depend upon the

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<v Speaker 1>previous ones made in the chain, and a community of

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<v Speaker 1>users work to verify transactions and those verified transactions are

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<v Speaker 1>codified into blocks, and then they join the chain with bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>The blockchain is the ledger of all blockchain transactions, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them. So if you want to spend or transfer

0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a bitcoin, it goes through this process. This blockchain process,

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<v Speaker 1>the community of bitcoin users verify the transactions in a

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<v Speaker 1>process called mining. This is a computation sational problem of

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrary difficulty. The overall bitcoin system sets that difficulty for

0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.159
<v Speaker 1>the computational problem, and the more people, or rather the

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>more computational power that is trying to solve the problems,

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<v Speaker 1>the harder the problems become. This way, they meter out

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<v Speaker 1>the release of new bitcoins, because solving the problem verifies

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<v Speaker 1>the transactions for a block, which then goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the community to essentially check the work and

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<v Speaker 1>make certain that it's valid, and then the computer system

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<v Speaker 1>that made that correct transaction verification first gets rewarded with

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<v Speaker 1>a certain number of bitcoins or portions of bitcoin. That

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<v Speaker 1>number changes over time. The number of bitcoins rewarded decreases

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<v Speaker 1>in a steady predictable pattern, and it will do so

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<v Speaker 1>until all bitcoins are in circulation, which will happen sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the twenty second century. I think

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<v Speaker 1>think it's when it will all be in circulation. Now

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<v Speaker 1>everyone can see the blockchain, and everyone can see this

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<v Speaker 1>chain of transactions. This shared ledger means that no one

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<v Speaker 1>can spend the same bitcoin twice. There's no double spending

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<v Speaker 1>of bitcoin, as the first transaction will already be a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of record and any secondary attempt will fail during

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<v Speaker 1>this verification process. Now, one down downside to all of

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<v Speaker 1>this is that transactions take longer to verify than traditional

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<v Speaker 1>payment transactions, and that can be an issue when you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to buy something unless you're not in a hurry. So,

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<v Speaker 1>to give you a sense for this, like how slow

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<v Speaker 1>am I talking about? Bitcoin transactions happen at a rate

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<v Speaker 1>of around seven transactions per second, which sounds pretty fast,

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<v Speaker 1>except then you learned that a more traditional payment transaction

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<v Speaker 1>service like Visa can process closer to three thousand transactions

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<v Speaker 1>per second. So that's a big disparity. It shows a

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<v Speaker 1>huge gap. Now, Facebook, Libra will not follow bitcoins methodology. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a somewhat centralized though not localized database

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<v Speaker 1>of transactions cryptographically protected database. So you have a database,

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<v Speaker 1>not a blockchain. Uh. It is not fully decentralized. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, you've got a group of companies that are

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the governance and verification of transactions. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not open to a whole community. UH. The community using

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<v Speaker 1>the currency are not the ones providing the computational work

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<v Speaker 1>to verify those transactions. Instead, members of the Libra Association

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<v Speaker 1>more on them in a bit. UH. Specifically, members that

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<v Speaker 1>have coughed up ten million dollars for this privilege will

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<v Speaker 1>act as validation nodes to validate those transactions. If at

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<v Speaker 1>least two thirds of the validation nodes verified transaction, it

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<v Speaker 1>is considered to be verified and it goes through. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Libra will use a limited number of validation nodes by

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<v Speaker 1>an elite few members of the Libra Association, it's what

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<v Speaker 1>we would call a permissioned system. You have to be

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<v Speaker 1>granted authority to validate transactions. That's in contrast with systems

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<v Speaker 1>like Bitcoin, which are permission less, meaning you simply have

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<v Speaker 1>to download the software and be part of the network

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<v Speaker 1>and you're part of the community. Facebook has said the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I went with the permissioned approach was that the

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<v Speaker 1>alternative just doesn't scale, as illustrated by Bitcoin's painfully slow

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<v Speaker 1>transaction verification process. According to Facebook, the Libra approach will

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<v Speaker 1>allow for as many as one thousand transaction verifications per second,

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<v Speaker 1>still not as fast as more traditional financial institutions like Visa,

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<v Speaker 1>but loads faster than the permission less cryptocurrencies. The long

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<v Speaker 1>term goal, Facebook says is to transition to a permission

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<v Speaker 1>less system somehow. At some point, the Libra association will

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<v Speaker 1>oversee the governance of the currency and verify the transactions,

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<v Speaker 1>and in addition, they will profit from the use of Libra.

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<v Speaker 1>So Libre transactions will include a small transaction fee. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you buy something with Libra, there'll be a small

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<v Speaker 1>percentage of that h purchase that will end up being

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<v Speaker 1>a transaction fee, sometimes called a gas fee. It's meant

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for the cost of doing business in general. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on individual transactions, it will look really small, like minuscule

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you maybe you won't even notice it, but at scale

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<v Speaker 1>with a service that could potentially reach billions of people,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking some serious freaking money there. You know. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing numerous purchases, a day, Even if they are

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<v Speaker 1>small amounts, if billions of people are doing that, that

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<v Speaker 1>racks up pretty fast. In addition, remember when I said

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<v Speaker 1>that the value of Libra will be pegged or anchored

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<v Speaker 1>to a collection of low volatility commodities such as fee

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<v Speaker 1>out currencies. Well, the expectation is that those will slowly

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<v Speaker 1>pay off. Those will earn money themselves, and in a bank,

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<v Speaker 1>as a customer of a bank, if you have add

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<v Speaker 1>money in their their accounts, then you would earn interest

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>off that money, depending upon the type of account you have,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not gonna happen with Libra. You will not

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<v Speaker 1>earn interest in Libra. Instead, all that money that comes

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<v Speaker 1>from these investments and through these transaction fees are going

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the members of the Libra Association, not

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<v Speaker 1>the people using Libra, So it's going to go to

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<v Speaker 1>these big companies. The ledger of transactions for Libra is public,

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<v Speaker 1>just like with bitcoin. Uh. That could also raise a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of tough questions about privacy and security. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>after all, Facebook has access to an incredible amount of

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<v Speaker 1>personal information. Even if you have an account but you

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<v Speaker 1>aren't very active, or even if you don't have an

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<v Speaker 1>account at all, people who do have accounts and who

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<v Speaker 1>know you may have already shared information about you, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's already out there. But the more you use Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>the more data the company has about you, what you like,

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<v Speaker 1>what sort of browsing habits you have. So clearly there's

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<v Speaker 1>concern about a currency system tied to a company that

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<v Speaker 1>already knows a ton about us. To address that concern,

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook assures us that Libra users will be issued pseudonyms,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a pseudonymous system and their true identities will

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<v Speaker 1>not be publicly tied to transactions. That's good bitcoins the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. Moreover, the company promises to keep the user

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<v Speaker 1>data from things like Facebook and its various services separate

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>from Libra and its digital wallet. Also, the company promises

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<v Speaker 1>that activity using Libra would never be used for data

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<v Speaker 1>for targeted advertising. Whether or not you believe this claim

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<v Speaker 1>is up to you. Facebook has had a very public,

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<v Speaker 1>very messy series of pr disasters and controversies surrounding user

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<v Speaker 1>privacy and security. Zuckerberg himself has had to appear in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the the United States government to talk about some

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:00.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty serious problems. So there are many people out there

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<v Speaker 1>who remains skeptical at best. About Facebook's pledge to keep

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>these things truly separate. The pseudonym approach is another way

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Libra is trying to have the best of both worlds

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and cryptocurrency and the more traditional currencies overseen by a

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>centralized authority. In a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, the transactions are public,

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>but the identities of the parties involved are protected. That

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 1>manages to protect the individuals, but it also raises the

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>possibility that the cryptocurrency could be used for shady or

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>outright illegal activities like money laundering or purchasing illegal goods.

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<v Speaker 1>For Libra to get widespread acceptance, it needs to be

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>seen as legitimate and lawful. Most financial institutions follow up

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>policy generally called No Your Customer or k y C.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all about verifying a customer's identity and being

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<v Speaker 1>reasonably certain that the customer or potential customer doesn't pose

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<v Speaker 1>a risk. In other words, making sure the customer is

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<v Speaker 1>on the up and up and not trying to do

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>something like money laundering. Libra intends to follow that general approach,

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>so the system would allow people to make purchases using

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>pseudonyms uh automatically by the system, they wouldn't have to

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>choose them or anything, ideally protecting their personal identities from

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the general public. But at the same time, the LIBRA

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Association would be able to verify identities. So we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>to see how from a conceptual level, this is getting

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<v Speaker 1>pretty complicated and it does pose a big security concern.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that it's impossible to do, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>mean that you have to be super careful with all

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that privacy and security. When we come back, i'll talk

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>about a few other complications as well as some trivia

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<v Speaker 1>about LIBRA, but first let's take another quick break. One

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<v Speaker 1>other big complication with LIBRA is that the organizations that

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<v Speaker 1>make up the Libra Association so far are a mix

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of financial institutions like banks and commerce companies, you know,

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>companies that sell goods and services. And that's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>warning flag for certain countries, specifically the United States of America,

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<v Speaker 1>which has traditionally sought to keep banking and commerce as

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>separate entities. This has been the case since the mid

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century in the United States. It turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>US citizens aren't crazy about the idea of banks owning

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>non banking businesses because it could potentially mean that a

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<v Speaker 1>bank might operate a business that runs in direct competition

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>with the business of one of that bank's customers, and

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>banks get a lot of insight into the financial transactions

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>of their customers. They see everything. So let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>own a small business. Chances are you do not want

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<v Speaker 1>the entity that can see all of your financial transactions

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to be operating a competing business against you. If nothing else,

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you would be handing over leads to that bank because

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the bank could see who your most loyal customers are

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>based on your various financial transactions, And to the bank

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>that's operating a competing business, they could say, huh, you

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>know what this is. It's a lead sheet for me

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to give to the sales team. Will target all of

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>this person's customers because we see how loyal they are,

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>and if we can win them over to our service,

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>will win. So in other words, banks have an incredibly

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>unfair advantage when they enter into the commerce world. So

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<v Speaker 1>that could potentially be a really big barrier for Libra

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<v Speaker 1>in the near future in the United States, as the

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<v Speaker 1>Open Marks Institute spokesman Matt Staller wrote, imagine Facebook's subsidiary

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<v Speaker 1>Calibra knowing your account balance and you're spending and offering

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to sell a retailer an algorithm that will maximize the

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>price for what you can afford to pay for a product.

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Imagine this cartel having this kind of financial visibility into

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<v Speaker 1>not only many consumers, but into businesses across the economy.

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Such conflicts of interest are why payments and banking are

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<v Speaker 1>separated from the rest of the economy in the United

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>States end quote. So in other words, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>see what all the transactions are, then you can get

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>a good idea of how much money a person has.

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>And if you have an idea of how much money

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>they have, you can adjust your prices so that they

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>are more expensive for people who have more money. People

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>who have less money, it will be less expensive because

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>the alternative is you don't make a sale at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems a little shady. Then again, all of this might

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>be moot. As I record this, the Libre platform isn't

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>fully fleshed out. Facebook has introduced a digital wallet that

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>exists as a subsidiary company. That would be the Libra

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>that I mentioned just a moment ago, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the interface through which users can interact with Libra in

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>order to make transactions or send money or purchase Libra.

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>That's the actual name of the currency itself. The idea

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>is that third parties will be allowed to create their

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>own digital wallet solutions. But for now, Calbra is it,

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's Facebook's contribution, and it's only it in a

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>largely hypothetical sense as of the recording of this podcast,

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>because at the moment there's very little functionality available in

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the wallet. You can put fake Libra coins in there,

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's about it. According to an article in Bloomberg,

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot to show for Libra just yet,

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>and the piece also criticizes the white paper for being

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>vague in spots. In fact, the article titled I tried

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>using Facebook's Libra blockchain. It didn't work goes on to

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>guess that the purpose of the white paper and the

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>announcement isn't so to prepare the way for the emergence

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<v Speaker 1>of a fully fleshed out digital currency. Rather, it's to

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>prompt a reaction from regulatory agencies to sort of test

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the waters. So, in other words, it's not a sincere

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>effort to get a digital currency off the ground. It's

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to check and see what sort of obstacles are going

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>to be in the way when they finally get their

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>act together, and indeed the regulatory bodies have responded. In

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, the House of Representatives Committee on Financial

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Services has urged Facebook to hold off on any more

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>developments with Libra and Calibra. The committee states, quote, it

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 1>appears that these products may lend themselves to an entirely

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>new global financial system that is based out of Switzerland

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and intended to rival US monetary policy and the dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>This raises serious privacy, trading, national security, and monetary policy

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>concerns for not only Facebook's over two billion users, but

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>also for investors, consume mers, and the broader general economy

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.479
<v Speaker 1>end quote. Yikes. The committee goes on to express concern

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>about oversight and regulations, how a sovereign currency without these

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>faculties in place could cause financial instability around the world,

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and they are also quick to point out that Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exactly have a stellar track record in the eyes

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of the US government. Just now, and just to show

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that the Americans aren't the only ones concerned, let's hop

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>across the pond. In the UK, Christopher Woollard, the Financial

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Conduct Authorities Executive director of Strategy Competition, stated quote, Historically

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>this may have been a sector that has lived by

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the mantra of move fast and break things, but the

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>issues raised here require deep thought and detail end quote. Meanwhile,

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>in France, the Bank of France as governor has stated

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that the Libra currency will have to comply with anti

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>money laundering regulations and also attain a banking license if

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it offers any banking services. And the concern is understandable

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 1>because if Libra doesn't work properly, it could cause frustration

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and economic hardships for many people around the world. But

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>if it works really well, it might mean hard times

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 1>for entrenched traditional financial institutions. And while I'm not gonna

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 1>lose sleep about how the CEOs of massive banks are

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to afford their next private plane,

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not exactly looking to a company like Facebook to

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>act like robin Hood, because they're just as huge as

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>some of these financial institutions. One thing Libra is trying

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to do is make cross border transactions easier. The idea

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>is attractive. Rather than converting money from one sovereign currency

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to another and going through the process of doing a

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:56.240
<v Speaker 1>wire transfer, you could use a digital currency like Libra

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and do it all much more quickly without as much fuss,

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe with even lower transaction fees. But some critics have

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>said there are already many alternatives to the more traditional

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>routes in place, and they are either ready to go

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>right now, or they're further along in development than Libra

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>seems to be. The Financial Times also called into question

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>whether Libra would actually benefit the unbanked as its mission

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 1>sets out to do, asking how could someone actually enter

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>into that world if they don't already have a bank account,

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>which is a decent question to ask. On top of

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>all that, Libra wouldn't magically become a ubiquitous currency overnight.

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Merchants would still have to accept it as payment for

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>goods and services. First, see, a currency is no good

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>if no one accepts it. It doesn't matter how big

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 1>the issuing entity may or may not be. So if

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I go out on the street then I hand out

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 1>pieces of paper with my face on it and I

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>call it strict bucks, that doesn't mean you're ever going

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 1>to be able to spend that cash. A merchant would

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>have to accept it for and it would be crazy

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to do so. The Libra Association is proposing possible incentives

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to get merchants on board and be part of this,

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But to me, it seems like a pretty big endeavor,

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and it feels a little like a catch twenty two

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>because there's no reason to sign on if there aren't

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 1>enough merchants to support the currency and turn it into

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 1>something useful. But then without signing on, then the currency

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.280
<v Speaker 1>will just remain a curiosity and not be an incentive

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>for anybody to join. So if a yo yo manufacturer

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>is the only company to accept Libra's payment, it won't

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>do much, though I guess technically the business would still

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 1>have its ups and downs. There are a couple of

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>other things I'd like to touch on before I sign off.

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>One of them is the name Libra in the first place. Now,

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 1>in Latin libra was a term for a unit of

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>weight and ancient rome, and most of the stuff I've

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>read about in the digital currency realm has reference to this.

0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>That's talking about scales or weights in Roman times. However,

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 1>it's also the name of an astrological sign. Now, I

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 1>don't put any stock in astrology, unlike my beloved producer Tari,

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>who tells me that's just like a cancer. But I

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>think of astrology as magical thinking. However, I do think

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>it is important and relevant to point out how Libra

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>is an astrological sign. Why, well, it all has to

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 1>do with a pair of twins who are once a

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>big part of Facebook, the Winklevoss Twins. These twins who

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.720
<v Speaker 1>had an infamous falling out with Mark Zuckerberg. The foundation

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>for that falling out was that the twins alleged that

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg had essentially ripped off the idea for Facebook from them.

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>They went on to found a company in two thousand fourteen.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>They called it the Gemini Trust Company. It's a digital

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:57.799
<v Speaker 1>currency exchange company. And that means that a customer of

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>that company, you could establish a digital wallet, you could

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>buy or sell digital assets, that kind of thing. And

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Jim and I, I'm sure many of you know, is

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>also the name of an astrological sign. It's for the twins.

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.839
<v Speaker 1>So could it be that when it came time to

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>name this new digital currency that Zuckerberg wanted something that

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>would stick in the craw of the Winklevoss brothers and

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>call it Libra and say I stole your idea again,

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. It could just be coincidence. And honestly,

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 1>we're ultimately talking about several extremely rich dudes who are

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.439
<v Speaker 1>enjoying a life of privilege beyond my imagining. So really,

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't care who is having a fit with who.

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter to me anyway. That's the low down

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>on Libra. Now. It is possible that the Libra Association

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>will get this currency up and running they want to

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>launch in twenty twenty. I would argue that right now,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:04.240
<v Speaker 1>at least Facebook's involvement is a pretty big albatross around

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the neck of the project. I think it might actually

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 1>have been a better idea to go without Facebook's name

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>on it at all, particularly since that's what everyone is

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 1>focusing on right now. I do want to see more

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>support for the unbanked, both in developing and developed countries.

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I want to see those folks get access to financial stability.

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>I want there to be more financial security for people

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>in general. I wanted to be easy to make payments

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>without exorbitant transaction fees, and maybe it could well be

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 1>that the Libra Association will fulfill those goals as they

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>have stated they want to. I'm obviously really skeptical about that,

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>but I'll also admit these may just be my biases

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 1>coming into play. I would love to be proven wrong,

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>because if I'm proven wrong, it could possibly be a

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>huge benefit for a lot of people. I'm just not

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 1>convinced yet that this is the group to pull that off,

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.040
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