1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Look a f Daily 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: I want to start off today by saying I'm really 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: excited about the conversation that i had with Annette shankar Osario. 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: She is the host of a brilliant podcast talking about 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: the power of words, talking about the power of messaging. 7 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: And if you have listened to my other podcasts, Democracy Ish, 8 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: then you may be familiar with a Knot, but Anat 9 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: shankar Osario is the host of Words to Win by 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: and she'll tell us in this jam packed two part episode, 11 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: because folks, you know that I talk about messaging all 12 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: the time. I talk about how Democrats are fucking terrible 13 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: at messaging. We are headed into the stretch for the 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: midterm elections and with a handful of weeks to go. 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: My conversation with a NOD is like, do we have 16 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: what it takes to win? Do people understand the gravity 17 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: of the situation that we're in. What works? We know 18 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: that fear and lies work with the far right, but 19 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: what works to get democrats, progressives and these quote unquote 20 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: mythical unicorn independence to the polls right for midterms. She 21 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: tells us that we will need historic turnout the way 22 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: that we had for Biden. Well, we know that that 23 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: ain't going to happen. Just historically speaking, midterm elections usually 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: do not have the same type of turnout that a 25 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: presidential election does. And so if we're hoping for those 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: numbers in order to win, then have we already lost. 27 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: So this conversation with a Not we went really deep 28 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: and into the nitty gritty. So it is broken up 29 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: into our first two part episode. So you will hear 30 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: a piece of our conversation today and then you will 31 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: hear the follow up to that conversation on Tuesday. Folks, 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: what I want people to recognize is that the political 33 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: climate that we're in and how people are feeling has 34 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: so much to do with policy as it has to 35 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: do with personality and what it has to do with psychology. 36 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, I often talk to you all about the 37 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: fact that there are times there were days where I 38 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: find myself in tears. Nothing anymore catastrophic will have happened 39 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: that will signal this shift and emotion, but it is 40 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: just this ever present feeling of overwhelm. I mentioned this 41 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: because like me. You all have no doubt spent the 42 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: last several days watching the news and seeing the catastrophic 43 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: devastation that has happened in Florida because of Hurricane Ian. Well, 44 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: I want to share with you one of the stories 45 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: that I don't think gets enough attention. You see, what 46 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the networks do, dear friends, is that they will go 47 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: and do the same storm coverage, look at the devastation. 48 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: They'll talk to somebody, usually a white person, not usually 49 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time, a white person that has 50 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: lost everything, and you know, they're thanking God and we 51 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: could have been worse. And meanwhile, you know they've lost 52 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: their homes, they've lost you know, their livelihoods. Look, I'll 53 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: be honest that a lot of the places in Florida 54 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: are you know, you're showing us coral gables. Well, those 55 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: are multimillion dollar homes, and those are not people's first 56 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: homes right in a lot of ways. But there are 57 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: a lot of folks in Florida who live in mobile homes, 58 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: who are the actual working class. And you know, can't 59 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: just chalk up their loss to you know, somebody's tax 60 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: right off, right, But I then look at the coverage 61 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: and again, we only empathize and are trained to empathize 62 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: with white people and white grief. And I think to 63 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: myself about the people of Puerto Rico, the island being 64 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: devastated by a hurricane as well loss of power, you know, infrastructure. Again, 65 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: we look at Puerto Rico and we're like, oh, well, 66 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: that's a nice island. Do you know it's part of 67 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: the United States? And why they don't have fucking infrastructure 68 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: that allows them to be able to deal with the 69 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: impacts and the increasing impacts of these hurricanes and are 70 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: treated as second class citizens in more ways than one. 71 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: Why weren't they given wald to wall coverage. Why didn't 72 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: we look at their suffering and their grief in the 73 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: same way that we once again are treating Florida, will 74 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: treat South Carolina and other places. I just don't understand 75 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: why we can't have shared empathy for everyone, and why 76 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: white people are the only people that the media wants 77 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: to empathize with. Look, and guys, I'm asking this question. 78 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: I know the answer. I know who's in the newsrooms, 79 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: I know who's in the c suites, Right, I know 80 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: the answer to these questions. But if we don't ask them, 81 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: then we allow this just to continue to be normalized, 82 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be. Why did we have Walde Wall 83 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: coverage of the colonizer that died in the UK at 84 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: the same time when brown people in Puerto Rico are 85 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: desperate and like hanging on for dear life. Why was 86 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: it okay that Donald Trump went there during Hurricane Maria 87 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: and throughout fucking paper towels and that was acceptable and 88 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: the media covered it as if it was a joke 89 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: as opposed to it being fucking cruel. Words matter, And 90 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: that's why we have this supersized two part episode with 91 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: the Natschenko Osadio because I want us to understand that 92 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: it isn't about just getting into the psychology again like 93 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: the media loves to do with regard to white supremacy, 94 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: and we need to understand white grievance. No, I actually 95 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck, but I do want to understand 96 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: why these same people, what gets them to the poles 97 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: and what doesn't, What has them wake up to the 98 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: fact that climate change is a real thing, right is it? 99 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: When the water is up to their necks? You know, 100 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, but what I will say and what 101 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: I want to share with regard to the hurricanes. Is 102 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: this pulled up This article in Axios says Hurricane end's 103 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: climate warning, and this is what it says. And I 104 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: want to read to you a piece of this, because again, 105 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: the news is not covering this. What they are covering 106 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: is the damage. What they are covering is how people 107 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: are going to pick up their lives and then they 108 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: will move on to the next story by the middle 109 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: of this week. But what we're not talking about is 110 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: why these storms are intensifying and how this storm jumped 111 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: from you know, a category three to a category five. 112 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: What we have all learned right in school in earth science. 113 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: Who the fuck knows what they teach now is that 114 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: when hurricanes hit land, or they hit certain areas, they 115 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: lose strength. We're accustomed to hurricanes hitting certain areas losing 116 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: strength than turning into tropical storms and then dissipating. This 117 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: is not what's happening, and I will read you this. 118 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Hurricane forecaster's worst nightmare came true on Wednesday morning, when 119 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: what had been a category three storm Tuesday night suddenly 120 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: jumped to almost to a category five. Why it matters, 121 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: It used to be rare for storms to keep strengthening 122 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: until landfall, let alone do so rapidly. Now it is not, 123 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: and studies show this is a dangerous sign of climate change. 124 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: The big picture, such an intensity leap was made possible 125 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: by warm ocean temperatures and abundant atmospheric moisture, both factors 126 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: that climate change enhances. During the past several years, there 127 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: have been multiple storms that rapidly intensified as they neared 128 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: the Gulf Coast and did so through landfall. Previously, tropical 129 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: storms and hurricanes tended to weaken as they neared the 130 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: northern Gulf Coast, in particular, falling victim to cooler waters 131 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: or stronger jet stream winds. But that did not happen 132 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: with Hurricanes Laura or Ida in twenty twenty and in 133 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, or with Hurricane Michael, which ramped up 134 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: all the way up to a Category five storm in 135 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: the Florida Panhandle in twenty eighteen. It's not just the 136 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: United States that has been suffering the consequences from rapidly 137 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: intensifying tropical cyclones. Consider an example from halfway around the world, 138 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: which occurred just as Ian was spinning up in the 139 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: Caribbean at the same time in the western tropical Pacific Ocean, 140 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: a storm named Noru began swirling toward the Philippines. It 141 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: took forecasters by surprise when it suddenly strengthened from a 142 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: robust tropical storm with maximum sustained winds of sixty miles 143 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: per hour to a category five super typhoon with one 144 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty mile per hour winds folks, in just 145 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. So if you are thinking about this 146 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: right and news reports and alerts come on and they 147 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: are warning people going to be having a tropical storm, 148 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: it right now has these level winds. This is the 149 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: difference between you deciding to evacuate and deciding that you 150 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: can weather the storm. But if what is happening is 151 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: the intensity is growing and forecaster is because of climate change, 152 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: do not have the ability to provide the necessary in 153 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: depth level of warning because the storm is changing so rapidly. 154 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: What does that mean for people's ability to get to safety? 155 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: News flash, they can't get to safety and fucking tie, 156 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: so more people are going to die. So the threat level, 157 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: according to Axios, the danger of a rapid intensification shortly 158 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: before a landfall is that people will be caught off 159 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: guard by the stronger storm and get stuck in a 160 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: vulnerable spot for storm surge, flooding, damaging winds, or both. 161 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: Emergency management officials designed their evacuation plans based on storm 162 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: intensity and movement. Sudden shifts in either one can render 163 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: their planning inadequate. A one hundred and fifty five mile 164 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: per hour Category four storm, which Hurricane Ian became on 165 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning can push a far higher surge inland and 166 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: bring a catastrophic swath of high winds inland compared to 167 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty mile per hour Category three 168 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: storm that Eden was when most Fuloridians went to sleep 169 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: Tuesday night. All landfalling storms now contain more dangerous coastal 170 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: flooding in their arsenals due to human cause sea level rise, 171 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: and they are urging you in this article to read 172 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: between the fucking lines. The trend seen in the past 173 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: several years, together with studies of how hurricanes are changing 174 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: in a warming world, point to a key role for 175 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: human caused climate change. We have made the planet unpredictable 176 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: and unfucking safe. And right now you have a climate denier, 177 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: authoritarian piece of trash in Ronda Santis as the governor 178 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: of Florida, who is too busy walking the line between 179 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Republican dictator to recognize that their ignorance around climate change 180 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: is no longer bliss. It is actually fucking catastrophic and 181 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: it is up to the media to connect the dots 182 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: for the people as to why these things are happening. 183 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: This is not an act of God, It is an 184 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: act of greed, folks. Coming up next, part one of 185 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: my conversation with a Nat Schenker Asorio on how we 186 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: win the messaging game. It's no secret that the news 187 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: is horsepill hard to swallow. Thankfully, there's The Bituation Room 188 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: podcast hosted by comedian and commentator Francesca free Erantini for 189 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: a lighter take on the heavy stuff. 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Fellow podcaster and 205 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: message maker An Shanker o Saudio, who hosts the show 206 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: Words to win By and Folks, if you also happen 207 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: to listen to my other podcasts with my friend washahat Ali, 208 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: you might remember our conversation with a Knot because I said, 209 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: can you just run everything? Because you make it seem 210 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: so easy and you make it sound so clear what 211 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: it is Democrats should be doing. But but first, before 212 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: we talk about what they should be doing, I actually 213 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts of Joe Biden's winning summer, 214 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: the Biden administrations quote unquote winning summer. And you know 215 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: we had passage of you know, major legislation Joe Biden. 216 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: You know there were several things that were past. Some 217 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, have no teeth, but hey, we you know, 218 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: we did it. Anyway. We got some debt relief for students, 219 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: but I don't know if they'll actually see that because 220 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: Republican governors are fighting against that in our suing the 221 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: Biden administration to make sure that young people suffer. And 222 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: then you had Joe Biden kind of cap off his 223 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: winning with this Soul of the Nation speech that he 224 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: gave with the backdrop of Philadelphia. And so I want 225 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on how Democrats how the administration 226 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: spoke about these wins, and then we can talk more 227 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: in depth about your thoughts on the Soul of the 228 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: Nation speech, which again I don't think was given enough 229 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: air enough time in media and is worth delving into. 230 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Well, first, thank you for having me. 231 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: It's hard to know where even to begin, but I'll 232 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: start with the accomplishments. So what I will say is 233 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: that it is general life advice, both in relationships and 234 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: in politics, that you cannot argue with people's feelings, which 235 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: is very frustrating if you are a person who watches 236 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: focus groups, which unfortunately for me I am, so I'm 237 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: part of a Giant Research collaborative where we do two 238 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: to four focus groups a week and have done that 239 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: every single week since twenty twenty, which means watching a 240 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: whole lot of different kinds of person people, surge voters 241 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: meaning folks who were new to us in eighteen or twenty, 242 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: and we obviously we absolutely need returning out and then 243 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: swing voters, the definition of which is probably pretty clear 244 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: to most people what we mean by that. So what 245 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: we see is that the quote Democrats delivered message A 246 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: doesn't take us very far, and it doesn't actually matter 247 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: what is true in the world. What matters to people 248 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: is their own lived experience. And for the most part, 249 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: speaking in broad strokes, people are feeling down and out. 250 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: They are feeling despondent, they are feeling strapped, They're very 251 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: very concerned financially, they have more month than check. I'm 252 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: thinking of all the idiosyncratic ways people describe this to us, 253 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: depending who they are and what focus group it is. 254 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: And so when you try to sort of argue with 255 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: people and say the economy is better than ever and 256 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: things are going great, you know their response back is 257 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: sort of what planet have you emerged from? And why 258 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: are you talking to me. However, what I will say, 259 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: and this is really really important, is that when we 260 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: talk to our voters both surge and swing about the 261 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: litany of accomplishments we pass. This, we passed, that, we 262 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: passed this, and really vitally the fact that we held 263 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: together and that Trump Republicans and I used that phrase 264 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: very deliberately, Trump Republicans, Maga Republicans. I'm happy to say, 265 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: why stood in your way at every turn. They wanted 266 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: to block what our families need and Democrats brought it. Anyway, 267 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: when we talk to our voters about the passage of 268 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: the bills in the get what that does more than 269 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: any one bill is it gets at this sort of 270 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: root idea that voters have that Democrats are do nothing 271 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: and so interestingly, it's more the act of you know, 272 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: there's a canard, right, nothing succeeds like success, and so 273 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: this idea that we can do things, we do do things, 274 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: we do pass things, we keep moving the ball down 275 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: the field. That is as important a part of the 276 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: narrative to convey as any one of these specific policies. 277 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: So I want to dig into one of the things 278 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: that you just said. I want to ask about how 279 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: Maga Republicans. Trump Republicans are playing right that phrasing, because 280 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: for me, I will say that making that distinction just 281 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: seems false because I don't know what the group of 282 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: Republicans there are but Trump or Maga Republicans. I don't 283 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: know what other group of Republicans there are other than 284 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: the ones that are cheering the rise of fascism in 285 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: Italy and you know, and and and and wanting to 286 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: shake hands with authoritarians and dictators like Victor Orbon who's 287 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: welcomed into Sepack and putin right. So I want to 288 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: ask the question about the distinction and how that is 289 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: playing uh in in these groups. And also, my god, 290 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you would send to people all all week long, 291 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: all of these different groups, Mike, I hope you meditate, um, 292 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: but uh the you know, the the other question is, too, 293 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: does it play better to talk about how Republicans are 294 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: blocking your ability, blocking Americans ability to make their checks 295 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: go longer than the month too, in fact, act, you know, 296 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: be able to keep their head literally above water. Does 297 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: it help to have that narrative or is it we 298 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: need that narrative about democrats doing and the narrative about 299 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: why more can't get done. Yeah, so let me try 300 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: to answer. I'll answer the second one first. So, the 301 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: overarching narrative that we have found working, and this is 302 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: on the basis not just of that aggregated qualitative research 303 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the focus groups I reference, but this is part of 304 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: a giant ad and message testing project in which I've 305 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: been engaged, where at this point we've tested over two 306 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: hundred digital ads and randomized controlled trials over the summer 307 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: to arrive at an overarching storyline. And that overarching storyline 308 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: I can encapsulate in three words, it is protect our 309 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: freedoms freedoms intentionally plural. And so what that does is 310 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: we talk about Democrats as being here to protect our 311 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: freedoms and Trump Republicans or mac Republicans, and I will 312 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: explain why as taking away our freedoms from the freedom 313 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: to decide whether and when we have kids, to our 314 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: freedom from gun violence, to our freedom to earn enough 315 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: and be able to provide for our families. Republicans want 316 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: to take away Trump Republicans want to take away our freedoms. 317 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: By joining together like we did in twenty twenty, we 318 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: can protect our freedoms. So basically the polarity is actually 319 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: number one. The topic is freedoms plural because when we 320 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: use it in that plural form, it unconsciously activates and 321 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: people are more progressive understanding of freedom, whereas the singular 322 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: tips more into kind of your classic right wing guns 323 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: right freedom of religion, which of course just means being 324 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: able to shove a certain kind of patriarchal, evangelical white 325 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Christianity at you. So freedoms is a really really powerful 326 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: and effective kind of overarching concept. And then what we're 327 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: doing is we're saying that they are taking away your freedoms, 328 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: because that activates something that we know in psychology called 329 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: loss aversion. People are much more motivated to act on 330 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: behalf of retaining something they perceive to have now versus 331 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: acting on behalf of a predicted future gain. So all 332 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: of that language taking away freedoms, etc. It's all super deliberate. Now, 333 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: Trump Republicans are Maca Republicans. What you say is of 334 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: course absolutely correct. But when we're thinking about the way 335 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: that we label our opposition, we want to evaluate any message, 336 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: any label, anything we're saying along a set of criteria. 337 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: So the criteria are it feels credible to the voter. 338 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: It feels true and accurate, It feels mobilizing to our base. 339 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: It makes them want to take more action at a 340 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: minimum voting and you know, GoldStar of volunteering, calling, participating, etcetera. 341 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: All the things, all the things, and it is persuasive 342 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: to the broadest number of voters that we can actually 343 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: get recognizing that there are people we cannot and will 344 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: not ever have on our side. And so what happens 345 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: is if we say Republicans period, Republicans want to take 346 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: away your freedoms, or Republicans are blocking XYZ, or Republicans 347 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: are this or that for our base, and this includes 348 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: I want to be very very clear and explicit Black voters, 349 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: Latino voters, etc. Which are the predominant part of our base. 350 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: What they hear in that is, oh, that's just politics 351 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: as usual. That's where team blue shit talks Team read, 352 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Team Read does the opposite. There's a reason I don't 353 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: want to listen to any of that, and I'm not 354 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: interested in it because we have to remember that our 355 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: task with our disaffected base meaning not activists, so not you, Danielle, 356 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: not me, but people who if they would participate, if 357 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: they would vote, would vote for us. It's just that 358 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: they don't vote all the time, and so they are 359 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: particularly repulsed by what they perceived to be politics as usual, bickering, 360 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: the sort of animosity of it. And right now, especially 361 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: in our battlegrounds. I just got told today by one 362 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: of our media consultants that voters in Las Vegas, because Nevada, 363 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: of course is a battleground state, are seeing eleven political 364 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: ads an hour on average. So the voters in these 365 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: battleground states, basically what our canvassers on the doors are 366 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: telling us is people are like, I don't want to 367 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: hear negative shit. I do not like, do not with that, 368 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: I cannot with that. So what what calling out all 369 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: Republicans does is it makes people think that we're doing 370 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: it for the same reason that Domino says crappy things 371 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: about Pizza Hut, like that's just your job, got it, Okay. 372 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: So when we say Trump Republicans or Magarepublicans, it increases 373 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: the credibility, it increases the heat, and people don't feel 374 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: like that's name calling from us. They feel like, well, 375 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: that's an accurate label, that's something that they would say 376 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: about themselves. With swing voters, what it does is it 377 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: opens up what we call the permission architecture for people 378 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: who have formerly voted Republican self identify even as Republican 379 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: who voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty, to be 380 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: able to say I'm still a Republican because my grandpa was, 381 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: or because you know some sort of whatever. I mean 382 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: obviously to me total bullshit feeling about Ronald Reagan. But 383 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: it's there, and I can still come with you and 384 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: be in your coalition because you don't mean me. It 385 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: gives people an now mm. So here's the thing that 386 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: troubles me. It's the fact that we still need maybe 387 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: because you know more than I, which is why I 388 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: invited you on Who is this swing voter or not? 389 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: Who is this mythical unicorn that still exists in the 390 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: center that hasn't been pushed to one side by the insurrection, 391 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: hasn't been pushed to one side, by the fact that 392 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: one of the political parties you know, loves their white 393 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: supremacist oath keeper three percent or Proud Boy Bass and 394 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: doesn't say anything negatively against them, like who are those people? Yeah, 395 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: So first I just want to say there aren't a 396 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: lot of them. They are like they can't be. There 397 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: are very very, very very few. But I want to 398 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: remind folks that politics is a game of millimeters, not 399 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: even inches. We won Wisconsin by point seven percent in 400 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and we lost it by about one percent 401 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. So basically, we can't afford to lose anyone. 402 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: We need all of the people who voted for Joe 403 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: Biden to come back out. And the thing about mid terms, 404 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: and I promise I haven't forgotten your question, is that 405 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: we need to remember there is a historical pattern at 406 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: play here, and that pattern, with the exception of the 407 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: election after nine to eleven, is that the incumbent party 408 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: takes a shellacking because quite simply, the out of power party, 409 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: their base voters are much more energized than our base. 410 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: And yes, we are doing everything in our power, and 411 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm a there's no that this false diychotomy between are 412 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: we doing turnout are we doing persuasion? That that is 413 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of nonsense. And by the way, just to 414 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: dog whistle about do we give a shit about black 415 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: voters and are we going to talk to them or 416 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: will we put all our eggs in the white people basket. 417 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: That's all that little conversation means. Unpacking the what the 418 00:29:54,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: words mean. We have to get everybody back out, and 419 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: we have to recognize that in states like Pennsylvania, like Wisconsin, 420 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: like Arizona, like Georgia, like Texas, if we have a 421 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: prayer there, it means we can't afford to lose any 422 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: So now your question, there are not a lot of 423 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: swing voters, but they live in super key places and 424 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: who are they? They are people who either historically have 425 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: identified as Republican because a lot of voting behavior, and 426 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: in fact, the greatest predictor of adult voting behavior is 427 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: parental voting behavior. So it's not unlike, you know why 428 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: you have X y Z brand of yogurt in your face. 429 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: It's likely because that's what your parents had. Right, So 430 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: people's decision making about these things actually is imprinted upon 431 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: us at a really, really really young age. That doesn't 432 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: mean nobody changes, that doesn't mean persuasion is impossible. All 433 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: of those things are also true. I'm speaking in the aggregate. 434 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: So those swing voters have some of them have some 435 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: sort of affiliation or identity as Republicans, but are turned 436 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: off by and find Trump Republicanism, magaism to be repugnant, 437 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: and so now they're in this totally conflicted place. And 438 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: that place of conflict is this is my identity, this 439 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: is sort of what my parents told me was good 440 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: and right, this is what my church says, this is 441 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: what my community believes. But I disagree with those terrible 442 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: things happening. And so the valuation that they're making in 443 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: this midterm is is there such a thing as voting 444 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: for a Republican that is not a vote for maga, 445 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: that is not a vote for Trump. And so we're 446 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: making the case to them that you just made Danielle. No, 447 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: there's no daylight between the person running the person running, 448 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: even if it's Brian Camp who wants kudos and plaudits 449 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: for like nominally, you know, for not being willing to 450 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: like completely and totally destroy the law and finding votes 451 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: that didn't existed, like congratulations. The bar is so low 452 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: you've hit your head on it. I wish you would 453 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: pass out, but that doesn't seem to happen. So those 454 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: swing voters are either folks who are sort of reckoning 455 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: with their own sense of identity, and we're trying to 456 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: both make that case that the congressional Republican or the 457 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: person running for school board, because remember, local races matter two, 458 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: they matter a lot. And so the person running for 459 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: school board obviously, the person running for Secretary of State 460 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: unbelievably important. That the people who actually oversee our elections, 461 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the person running for county commissioner. We want you to 462 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: understand that, like they're all beyond the pale. So that's 463 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: one thing that we're trying to do with that voter. 464 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: And then the other thing that we're trying to do 465 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: with that voter is recognize that people make midterm decisions 466 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: on the basis of enthusiasm and on the basis historically 467 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: of how they feel about their pocketbooks. And right now, 468 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: despite the fact that inflation is obviously a global phenomenon 469 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: and is occurring and existing across the world in super 470 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: right wing run states, government countries in left wing we're 471 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: on states like you know, Joe Biden is not in 472 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: charge of the global economy, newsflash. So people don't understand that, 473 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: and all they know is that they're having struggles, and 474 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: so they're thinking, I'm having struggles. I voted this way 475 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: last time, or Team Blue is in power and I'm 476 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: not feeling great about my life. I'm gonna Gopher team 477 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: read got it, And so our fundamental task is to 478 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: change the terms of the election itself away from being 479 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: a referendum on the party in power, which is normally 480 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: what a midterm election is, to being an actual choice election, 481 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: a choice between Trump Republicans who want to take away 482 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: your freedoms, including your freedom to retire in dignity by 483 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: stealing your Social Security and Medicare from you, your freedom 484 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: to decide for yourself who governs in your name, by 485 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: taking away your freedom to vote, your freedom to know 486 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: that when your kids go off to school in the morning, 487 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: you're going to see them home at the end of 488 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: the day because some maniac is not going to have 489 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: massacred them because you're handing out military grade weapons like 490 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: kanzi bars. So they need to understand this as a 491 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: choice election and not a referendum on the incumbent party. 492 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: That's it for part one of my conversation with the 493 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: fabulous and brilliantly verbos Anat Schenker oh Saudio. We will 494 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with part two of words that we 495 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: actually need to win by with our friend Anat. That 496 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: is it for me, Today, dear friends on Woke a 497 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: f as always, Power to the people and to all 498 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.