1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Li Sabooth, where we get 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: to the heart of what matters to you. Today, we're 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about public health with my friend and 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: former Fox News colleague, FDA Commissioner Marty McCarey. I'm going 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: to ask him about his confirmation journey. Don't you just 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: want to know what. 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: Is that like? So I'll ask him. We'll also talk about. 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Some of the bold moves that the FDA is making 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: and how it's being received by the media. Are they 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: telling the truth? I mean, we know they're not, but 11 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: we'll ask him about that. We'll also unpack some of 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: the changes that the FDA is making with the COVID 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: nineteen vaccine, particularly more advanced warnings about my carditis with 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: young men as well, and we'll talk about some of 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: the other changes that are happening at the FDA, like 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: fast tracking the drug review program or cutting back on 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: some of the animal testing. Why is that done? Does 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: it even need to be done? But I know another 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: topic that you guys are really interested in is the 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: Make America Healthy Again movement, So we'll talk about the 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: changes that he's making at the FAD about that. 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: Also pushing back. 23 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: On some of these synthetic dies. I know that they're 24 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of in a fight right now with Mars, the 25 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: maker of Eminem's over synthetic die, so we'll dig into 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: that as well. So a lot to talk about with 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: my friend and also just a smart guy with common 28 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: sense or FDA Commissioner Marty McCarey, stay tuned. FDA Commissioner 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: Marty McCarey now, and I have to call you a 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: commissioner because you're you're a big You're a big deal. 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: You're a big deal now, so. 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: Great to talk to you least, so I call me 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: Marty please. 34 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: Well, I'm first of all, I'm so proud of you. 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: I was so excited when you got picked because well, 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: first of all, you're just brilliant, but secondly, you just 37 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: you use common sense, which doesn't happen anymore. We kind 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: of want our public health officials to obviously use their backgrounds, 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: as you know, you have a you know, exceptional background, 40 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: but but also to use common sense. So I would 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: so happy for you and just excited for the country. 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Lisa. There is a common sense deficiency 43 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: syndrome that we're actively trying to treat nationwide in our 44 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: healthcare system, and. 45 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're still dealing with it in terms of 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: like the media coverage and trying to explain things to 47 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: people and like, you know, like dealing with But I 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: did want to ask you, is I've just always been 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: curious what was going through the confirmation process. 50 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: Like the biggest thing in my mind was, you know, 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: I've been doing trauma surgery in the past, and cancer 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: surgery and complex medical stuff, so the stress didn't bother 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: me at all. It was actually less stressful than a 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: complicated operation I was doing at Johns Hopkins in my 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: career prior. But I was sort of mourning leaving clinical 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: practice because I did my last operation the day before 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: at the hospital and I just realized, I'm walking into 58 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: this sort of crazy world of politics. I'm gonna miss 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: being a doctor. And when I was a sergeant at Hopkins, 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: everybody wanted you to succeed. I mean people in the 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: community you never met, family members, the patients, your staff, 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: and in these jobs in government. The second you walk in, 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: a third of the country wants you to fail. And 64 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: for me, that was that's a very funny feeling. Yeah, 65 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: because I was. 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: Even reading you know, like stat news has a piece 67 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: recently about how, you know, it's sort of like reduced 68 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: workforce that President Trump is wanted across the board at 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: all these different agencies. How they're saying it's like compromising 70 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: the agency's work. And then obviously the people who laid 71 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: off are upset. Have you have you been surprised by 72 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: some of that coverage or I guess, you know, any 73 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: anything you want to kind of like weigh in on 74 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: that with. 75 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: Overall, I've actually been pleased with the coverage. It's been 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: good on the whole. But there are a couple of 77 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: outlets that are always going to write these pieces with 78 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: anonymous sources and it's just gossip. One thing that some 79 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: of these sort of doomsday writers always leave out when 80 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: they talk about the reduction in force. You know, the 81 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: FDA reduced its workforce by about fifteen percent. The goal 82 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: was to get back to twenty nineteen levels, and that 83 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: happened just before I got into office. Part of the 84 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: doge cotts in early retirement did reduce the workforce. But 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: one thing that the reporters always leave out when they 86 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: knock on it is that the FDA has doubled in 87 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 2: size since two thousand and seven. There were nine thousand 88 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: employees at the FDA here in two thousand and seven 89 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: and then went up to nearly twenty thousand last year. 90 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: And so nobody talks about the fact that it's ballooned 91 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: up and that we had twelve travel offices and dozens 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: of people who were chief strategy officers and two thousand 93 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: HR people and budget procurement people. And so when Southwest 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: Airlines announced, I think it was the same week as 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: the cuts that the FDA, that they reduced their workforce 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: by fifteen percent, no one said, well, this is going 97 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: to result in airline safety problems at Southwest. They thought, well, 98 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: this is a resizing of the organization. Well, the government 99 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: sometimes needs to be re evaluated. And one thing I 100 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: learned about the FDA is that when we walked in here, 101 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: we discovered a lot of stuff. One thing is that 102 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: it was a faifdom culture. There were sort of empires 103 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: that were being built with duplication of services, of websites, 104 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 2: of it, of communications staff, of lobbyists to the Capitol Health. 105 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: We learned that cells on Americans being treated for cancer 106 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: were being gene edited in China. The cells were being 107 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: sent to China and then gene edited by the Chinese 108 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: and sent back to the United States. We shut that down. 109 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: There's just a lot of we discovered a lot of 110 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: insane things that we discovered, and so we've been sort 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: of in a discovery mode, meeting with people on the 112 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: ground at the FDA, asking them what's on your mind, 113 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: what needs to change, what do you need to do 114 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: your job better. So we've been very operational. I've been 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 2: very much on the ground and not floating around in 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: the media and going to sort of all the cocktail 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: receptions and conference panels that you get invited to in 118 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: these jobs. I've been very much on the ground here 119 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: trying to make the FDA more streamlined, better cut the 120 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: red tape, and talk about food not just drugs. 121 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: We're also not going to get invited with that mentality, 122 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: so you might not have to worry about it because 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: they're not going to invite you. 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: You know. 125 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: Part of that with you know, obviously one concern a 126 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: lot of or you know what, Americans have a lot 127 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: of concerns with public health, particularly since COVID, but just 128 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: the power of the pharmaceutical industry and I know at 129 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: the time that this will be made public the FDA 130 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: will announce that decisions on drug approval will be made public. 131 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: Walk us through that, the significance of that, and then 132 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: also how that will sort of reduce the power of 133 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: lobbyists and just you know that transparency that's so important 134 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: for Americans. 135 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, this agency belongs to the American people. 136 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: Some people perceive that it's captured, and I'm happy to 137 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: report that we have done everything possible to ensure that 138 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: the review at the FDA is scientifically independent. One of 139 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: my first actions was to remove pharma members from FDA 140 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: advisory committees wherever statutorily possible, and to ensure that we 141 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: are entirely independent. At the same time, we have to 142 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: partner with the pharma industry because we want to see 143 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: more cures come to market. We want to see cures 144 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: for these rare diseases and intractable neurodegenerative diseases, for diabetes, 145 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: for blindness, for stage four cancer, and I believe there's 146 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: some really promising stuff in the pipeline. You know, the 147 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: cool thing about this job at the FDA is you 148 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: get to see what's sort of on the horizon, what's possible, 149 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: and it's pretty exciting. We just have to cut the 150 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: red tape. So when it comes to pharma, you know, 151 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: I have personally taken a pledge that I will not 152 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: work for big pharma after my time as commissioner. Shareholders 153 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: don't have to just listen to the spin of the 154 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: companies that get these FDA decision letters. But one thing 155 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 2: we learned is that when companies get a decision a 156 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: rejection from the FDA, they will spin the the decision 157 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: to their shareholders. Well, now these will be public and 158 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: it'll also help inventors and other drug developers to understand 159 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: what the FDA wants. More transparency is good. In my opinion, 160 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: no society has ever ushered in transparency and then later said, 161 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: you know, that was a bad idea. Let's go back 162 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: to keeping people in the dark, you. 163 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: Know, and to that vain you know. I know the 164 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: trumpetminstration has made changes across the board with the you know, 165 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: different agencies regarding the COVID nineteen vaccines. I know what 166 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: the FDA specifically, you guys have mandated expanded warnings that 167 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: maya coroditis. You know, the risks from the mRNA based 168 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: COVID vaccines. Also, you know, changes in terms of shifting 169 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: policy to limit the annual COVID vaccine approvals to adults 170 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: sixty five and older. 171 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: Kind of walk us through. 172 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: Some of the changes that you guys have made in 173 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: regards to the COVID nineteen vaccine and why did you 174 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: make them. 175 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we basically said, we're going to use the 176 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: same scientific the same scientific standard we use for other 177 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: drugs for the COVID booster shot in healthy Americans. We're 178 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: not going to just rubber stamp blindly COVID boosters every 179 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: year without clinical data that's updated, and so that is 180 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: a position that's generated a lot of controversy in the 181 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: medical field. We made our framework very clear in the 182 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: New England Journal of Medicine. We published it because I 183 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: believe the public deserves total transparency on exactly what we're thinking, 184 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: and we said, look, if you want to create a 185 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: COVID booster shot for young healthy Americans, do a clinical trial. 186 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: We will review that clinical trial and we will make 187 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: a decision. We're not just going to put a blindfold 188 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: on and rubber stamp approve every single COVID shot booster 189 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: for young healthy kids that comes across the desk. So 190 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: we're very clear we're not playing games. At the same time, 191 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: we do think Terry Kennedy's promised that if you want 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: a vaccine, you can get a vaccine. We're not taking 193 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: away people's vaccines. We are our philosophy is still very 194 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: much aligned with the message that he's put out there 195 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: on that. 196 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: Well, we've also just learned more about some of the 197 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: risks with the COVID vaccine. You know, particularly when you know, 198 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: with younger people with myocarditis, young men when they don't 199 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: really need you know, they're not at risk from COVID, 200 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: and so you know, the risks from the vaccine could 201 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: outweigh the risks from getting COVID. 202 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: So, you know, I guess what. 203 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: Have we learned about some of the risks from the 204 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine. 205 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: Well, once, you know, once we got here, we learned 206 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, as I mentioned, and one of 207 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: the things we learned is that there were concerning safety 208 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: signals about milecarditis in young men after the COVID shot 209 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: that were slow walked. They were not acted upon in 210 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: an expeditious way when they were discovered here at the FDA, 211 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: And so we did a thorough review with the best 212 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 2: available information that we had and we issued a warning 213 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: about milecarditis with the COVID shot that was long overdue. 214 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: And so there are many things like that where now 215 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: we're going through what's the in the inventory here, what 216 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: are the safety concerns of our scientists that were suppressed, 217 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: and how can we act accordingly. 218 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: Quick commercial break more With FDA Commissioner Marty McCarey, you 219 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: guys have or you know, collectively obviously with Secretary Kennedy 220 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: at HHS, you know, overseeing all this more broadly, but 221 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: pushed I think you called it love with you know, 222 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: sort of pushing some of these companies, you know, food 223 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: and beverage companies to get rid of some of these 224 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: synthetic guyes that Americans are concerned about, particularly with the 225 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: Make America Healthy Again movement with success I believe, like Jello, 226 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: what is it, Lucky Charms? You know, there's been some 227 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: companies that have said that they're going to aim to 228 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: do this by twenty twenty seven. So there's been movement, 229 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: positive movement. However, you know marsarticularly with Eminem's, they're saying 230 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: we're not going to get on board. They're fighting you 231 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: guys with it. Why are synthetic dies dangerous. And I 232 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: guess what are sort of the next steps that the 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: administration that you guys are planning on taking in regards 234 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: to that. 235 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, this has been a big issue 236 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: whereby Republican, Democrat and independent moms showed up in high 237 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: numbers to vote for President Trump over this actual issue 238 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: is very issue that President Trump and Secretary Kennedy have championed. 239 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: There are you know, we can learn from listening to 240 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: parents when parents tell you that their child had bad behavior, 241 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: or had attention deficit disorder, or had behavioral problems at school, 242 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: and then they eliminated all of these artificial petroleum based 243 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: food dies from the diet of their child, and then 244 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: the child suddenly improved to having normal behavior. That's not 245 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: a randomized control trial, but we as scientists can learn 246 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: that is a that is a data point, and in conglomeration, 247 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: these are data points we can learn from. There are also, 248 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: by the way, randomized control trials, for example, one in 249 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: the Lancet the Medical Journal Lancet showing that petroleum based 250 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: food dies were associated with attention deficit disorder. So what 251 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: are we what are we waiting for? Why do we 252 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: take risks. When we have an epidemic of child behavioral 253 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: problems and attention deficit disorder, why do we just blindly 254 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: go down this path of drugging our nation's children at 255 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: scale and not talking about the root causes. And personally, 256 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: I don't think kids need glow in the dark fruit loops. 257 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: I mean these are there are natural alternatives that can 258 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: provide color. And we went on the offense and approved 259 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: several natural food dies to replace these petroleum based artificial dies. 260 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: We're going to announce another one next week. But we 261 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: have been getting these natural dyes out on the market expeditiously, 262 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: and we took a bold step to ask companies to 263 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: stop using the nine petroleum based food dies in the 264 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: US food supply. I don't think the chronic disease illness 265 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: problem in American children is a will power problem. Something 266 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: is going on in the food supply. Now. On Mars, 267 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: you mentioned Mars, I think the reporting out there there 268 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: has not been accurate that I've been seeing about Mars. Mars. 269 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: Mars is a family owned business. They want to make 270 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: improvements in the health quality of their foods. We've had 271 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: very productive conversations with them, and we're going to be 272 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: meeting again with them. I'm meeting with them, i think 273 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: in the next week or two, and I'm optimistic that 274 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: they are going to join this bandwagon. Effective food manufacturers, 275 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: Craft Hinds, General Mills, dan O, and Yogurt, Jello, all 276 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: these products that have pledged to support Secretary Kennedy's vision 277 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: for a food supply for American children without these petroleum 278 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: based eyes. 279 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: What would you say are the most important things the 280 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Trump administration has done so far to make America healthy again. 281 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: Well, we are rewriting the food guidelines, the dietary guidelines 282 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: that has been probably one of the greatest sources of 283 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: health misinformation in the United States in our history. You know, 284 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: the broken food pyramid written by the industry. We are 285 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: rewriting that right now at the FDA, and we should 286 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: have that out later this year. We have taken an 287 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: inventory of all the chemicals in our food supply. We're 288 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: doing things to educate the public about chemicals. It's not 289 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: just the petroleum based dies. One company took action, the 290 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: maker of Skittles to remove titanium dioxide. Another concerning chemical. 291 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: We are promoting whole foods and grains without the fiber 292 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: stripped off of the grain as we typically see with 293 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: ultra processed foods. You know, seventy percent of the diet 294 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: of kids now is ultra processed foods. So we're bringing 295 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: a lot of attention to that issue. And you're seeing 296 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: for the first time ever in this Trump administration, the 297 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: SNAP program changing, whereby states are being granted waivers to 298 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: no longer use taxpayer dollars to fund ultra processed junk 299 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: food and sugary drinks. We've got to start talking about 300 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: school lunch programs, not just putting every kid on ozembic. 301 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: We've got to talk about environmental exposures that cause cancer, 302 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: not just the chemo to treat it. And so the 303 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: NIH has a very aggressive agenda to now study the 304 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: root causes of chronic diseases, because up till now, most 305 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: of the focus has been just on this whack a 306 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 2: mole game of medicating and operating on people after they 307 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: are very sick. 308 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: I know, I know that you have pledged to reduce 309 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: and you know, cut some of the animal testing requirements 310 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: and animal testing that's being done. What can you tell 311 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: us about some of these tests on animals and why 312 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: is that important? 313 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the animal testing that's routinely done 314 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: for drugs that are being evaluated here at the FDA 315 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: are unnecessary and just to take a step back, Lisa, 316 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: I don't believe that God put animals on planet Earth 317 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: for us to abuse or torture, and so. 318 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: We can crouch you would disagree with you. 319 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: Continues. We can modernize the agency and use computational modeling. 320 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Now AI technology that looks at a molecule and can 321 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: predict its toxicity in humans better than it animal test 322 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: predicting toxicity in many instances, and there's something called organ 323 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: on a chip technology where the drug is tested on 324 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: a cell culture medium or what we call an organoid, 325 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: a mini organ in a lab. We don't need to 326 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 2: be torturing animals and keeping them in captivity in many instances. 327 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: So we have an aggressive roadmap to reduce animal testing 328 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: that we introduced in one of my first weeks in office. 329 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: I've been in office, gosh, I guess one hundred days now, 330 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: this is the one hundred day mark, and so we've 331 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: had this aggressive plan to reduce animal testing, remove the 332 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 2: petroleum based eyes. We've got AI. Now for the scientific reviewers, 333 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: it's speeding up their process, and we have a pilot 334 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: program to reduce the decision time of the FDA from 335 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: nearly a year to just one or two months. All 336 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: of these things are aimed at modernizing the agency and 337 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: cutting the red tape so we can streamline the regulatory 338 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: process and deliver more cures and meaningful treatments to the 339 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: American people. 340 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been one of the before we go, one 341 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: of the big lines of attack against the Trump administration 342 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: is you know, they're saying, you guys are cutting research 343 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: and it's going to put lives in danger. 344 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: You know, et cetera, et cetera. 345 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Has our ability as a country to you know, do 346 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: various important health research regarding cancer or what have you. 347 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: Has that been impacted by you know, cutting some of 348 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: these grants. 349 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 2: Well, if we're talking about the NIH, when Jay bid 350 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: Trina walked into the NIH and I talked to him 351 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: a lot, we're friends, and he walked into a mess. 352 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: Fourteen percent of ANIH grants were going to health equity 353 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: and diversity research. That was descriptive. It did nothing for 354 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: these disparities that we see in the United States. We 355 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: were funding a lab and a group that likely brewed 356 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: up the cronnavirus that killed twenty million people and cost 357 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: twenty five trillion dollars worldwide, and they had done very 358 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: little research on the root causes of chronic diseases as 359 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: the health of the population has gotten worse. I mean, 360 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: if you measure healthcare by sophisticated gene editing or operations 361 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: that we do in surgery, yeah, there are incredible success stories. 362 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: But if you measure the performance of the US healthcare 363 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: system over the last fifty years by the health of 364 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: the population, it's been a fifty year failure. And so 365 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: Jay Buddetarni is doing an incredible job, especially with all 366 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: the fake news out there about NIH dollars being cut. 367 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: Not one NIH dollar has been cut. There's not a 368 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: single dollar to the NIH budget that has been cut. 369 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: Medicaid has not been cut. There are reasonable limits to 370 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: the growth rate of Medicaid. And so there's a lot 371 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: of incorrect information out there on what's happening. But of 372 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: course it's from the usual, you know, fear minded reporting 373 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: on what's going on. 374 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: Well, you've lived through that with COVID. So you're up 375 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: to speak with Commissioner Marty McCarey. Your friend just so 376 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: happy for you. Proud of you, and so glad you're 377 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: over at the FDA and we've got people like you 378 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: and government well. 379 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Lisa, great to talk to you again, 380 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: great to connect. Thanks for having me. 381 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: That was the FDA Commissioner, Marty McCarey and my friend. 382 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show. 383 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 384 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: but of course you can listen throughout the week until 385 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: next time.