WEBVTT - Criminal 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.720 Hey, everybody, welcome to Access podcast, the podcast about podcast. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.440 I'm Mattie Stout and one of my favorite podcasts of 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.400 all times is the show Criminal. I like it for 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.240 many reasons, but probably number one is the voice behind 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.400 the show, Phoebe Judge. She's our guest. Let's check out 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.000 a clip from Criminal. Carrie took this information to the 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.439 county attorney, and he ignored her. She then went to 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.640 the States attorney. He ignored her too, so she went 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.239 directly to the governor. She wrote, After appealing to the 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.640 governor in Vain, I found that I could go to 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:40.600 no other authority on earth. And so in June, she 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.519 finished her housework, cooked a meal for her husband, and 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.200 got on the road to Kyowa with a buggy full 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:55.000 of bricks. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal, and yes, 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.160 I am joined by that voice Phoebe Judge from Criminal 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.760 the podcast. You are in North Carolina talking to us 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.119 right now. I'm in Durham, North Carolina. That's becoming like 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.959 the a real podcasting hub. You know, you know, you 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.560 think about New York in l A for podcasting, but 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.080 the Triangle region a lot of good shows coming out 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.639 there too, right, Yeah, I mean, it's and we've always 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.720 thought that it's kind of nice to not be in 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.920 New York or Los Angeles. Um, it's not. It's not. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.120 They're not too many shows coming out of here. So 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.840 it still means that we can kind of keep our 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.520 head down and do what we like. Uh. But I 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.959 think that there aren't enough podcasts really coming out of 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.160 the South at all. I would like to see a 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.400 lot more podcast coming out of the South. I was 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.720 in a taxi cab in New York City a couple 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.600 of weeks ago, and I was the video screen that 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.200 comes up which shows those ads came up and it 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.280 said New York City the podcast Capital of the World. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.440 And I thought that was rather bold of them. Um. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.800 But you know, I think that we're we're happy to 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.520 be in Durham and we're happy to get to travel 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.200 all over and get stories and then return home. I'm 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.720 from West Virginia originally, and I think that in general, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.040 folks from the South. You know, well, my wife goes home, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.920 she'll talk to my friends and she she looked at 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:10.800 me one day and she goes, I understand why you 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.120 do what you do. You people tell stories about everything, 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.919 and it takes you know, an hour to tell a 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.959 story about going to the store. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.480 think that's isn't it. It's great fun to be able 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.240 to make a podcast where you can just do whatever 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.160 you like, you know, and you they can be any 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.880 length you like, and we just find topics that interest us. Now, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.200 crime is definitely the topic on your podcast. Are you 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.840 always been into crime or you a kid who was 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.000 checking out Encyclopedia Brown or any of that stuff when 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.880 you were younger. I mean, I think that I'm interested 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.400 in crime honestly, as much as anyone else is interested 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.320 in crime. You know, crime stories are just incredibly intriguing. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.960 But no, I wasn't more fascinated with crime as a 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.160 little girl than I was about a lot of things. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.639 But I think what's so interesting about having a show 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.160 about crime is that we really do believe that we're 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.680 never going to run out of stories, and we take 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.960 such a broad approach to that word crime that, you know, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.440 the great fun of it is that we can do 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.760 stories that are of course serious and sad and important, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:17.600 but we also do stories a lot of times that 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.240 are funny, and I think for us it's kind of 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.160 surprising the listener. They really don't know what they're going 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.640 to get next. I love that about the show because 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.560 of the of the very topics. There's a lot of 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.000 things I like about the podcast, including just the way 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.160 it structured, the pace, the length. I think it's it's 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.440 it's just one of those podcasts that it's very binge 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.920 able in a lot of ways. Have you had a 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.960 favorite criminal that you've talked about yet a favorite criminal? Well, 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.400 I certainly do have favorite episodes. One of my favorite 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.960 episodes is not about a criminal, but it's about I 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.000 guess a lot of criminals. And that was we did 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.960 an episode about people who were stealing petrified wood in Arizona, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.600 and it was basically they would steal it and then 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.320 they would leave that they had been cursed, and so 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.200 they would send it back, you know, maybe many years later. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.080 And so this National Park was just getting these packages 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.680 full of wood that people had stolen in their pants, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.360 and I just thought that was such a wonderful story, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.920 was so funny and also so touching to think that 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.039 these people really did believe that all the things that 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.280 were going wrong in their life happened because they had 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.760 stolen a little, you know, palm sized piece of wood 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.760 and and now that you were trying to get rid 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.000 of it. One of my favorite episodes is about Carrie 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.520 Nation and I don't know why. I'm I don't know why. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.120 I've always had some kind of fascination with her. I 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.960 just and probably the picture of her running around and 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.960 smashing things. Is that one of one you've enjoyed doing too. Oh? 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.640 I love that. And you know the great thing about 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.720 that episode is that I went to the to the 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.240 Kansas State Historical Society, so I could see I was 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.760 up close to and looking at and touching all of 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.039 her things, like the hatchet, like her hatchet pins, like 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.880 her fake teeth, and so a lot of times. You know, 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.440 the great thing about Criminal is that we we I 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.960 spend a lot of time in studios talking to people 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:07.960 that I might not even see, you know, they're on 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.000 the other side of the country. It sounds like we're together. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.120 But any time that I can go and actually be 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:17.120 around someone or around someone's things, I think it makes 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:23.760 the stories all the richer. Now, you are an award 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.040 winning reporter, do you think that that's a skill set 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.680 that that set kind of sets apart. I think some 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.160 of the great podcasts right now that they're done by 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.760 folks who who know how to tell a story and 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:40.440 have that journalistic background. Well, that's that's really nice. UM. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.880 I am a reporter. It's all I've ever done. And 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.080 for us, you know, we thought always about Criminal as 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.960 a journalistic effort. Um. We hold that, you know, we 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.000 hold that standard to be true for our podcast. And 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:54.440 and you know, there are a lot of stories that 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.240 we won't do that I really want to do for Criminal, 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.040 that we just can't do because we can't find someone 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.719 to back up the facts. And we take that incredibly seriously. Um. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.800 We spend a lot of time fact checking, We spent 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.359 a lot of time getting the legal documents. I'm in 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.080 the middle of writing of script right now as we speak, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.239 where I'm struggling with that because I'm trying to find 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.000 the source materials that we can add this really great 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.599 fact into the episode. UM. And I'll be very sad 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.599 if I can't find something to back it up, because 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.200 I would really love to add it. So we we 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.160 we also have a great reverence and respect for these 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.440 people's stories that we're telling, and I think for us, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.680 we need to be as truthful and honest as possible. UM, 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.599 because it. It is uh, it's an honor to be 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.200 able to tell the stories that these people are allowing 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.240 us to. I think it's really interesting when a reporter 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.240 can tell a story that on the outside to a 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.480 person might not seem interesting. And what I mean, for example, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.280 is and corporate crime. So you know, something like the 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.240 BP oil spill, which you've covered. I think that that's 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.160 one thing that I'd like to see more of. I 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.120 just feel, you know that in general, we we cover 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.080 kind of these these horrific crimes all the time, you know, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.920 in the news and on some podcasts. And I think 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:12.960 that's one thing I really love about your podcast is 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.960 you can you can take some information that on the 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.480 outside might not be something that I think I was 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.520 interested in until I hear you talk about it. Then 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.880 I'm completely interested in it. Well that's that's really nice. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.640 I mean, for my favorite story to tell is the 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.920 smallest story. I think that you know, a lot of 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.720 times we glaze over these little stories, but I think 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.920 it's the little story which sometimes can be the most interesting. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.280 And I think it is really hard, you know, I mean, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.440 I think corporate crimes are hard to tell and keep 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:48.560 people's interests. I also unfortunately think that environmental crimes are 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.080 really hard to tell in a compelling way. And I 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.280 think that's a challenge that I've always felt, and so 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.280 I think that I've I always try to think about why, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.920 why is the story hard to tell or loses an interest? 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.440 And I think that's because some of these crimes we 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.560 can't find a central character who has been directly impacted. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.920 And how you keep someone's interest is not by blood 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.960 and guts. I don't believe it is or gore or 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.600 sadness or violence. You keep someone's interest because you've made 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.680 a connection with the character. And so that for us 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:25.800 is what We're always trying to find a story where 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.080 we can find a character who the audience will be 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.000 able to connect with in some way. They might not 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.800 agree with them, they might think they're a jerk, but 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.000 they're able to connect and learn more about them. I 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.520 think part of the uh, the charm and the reason 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.600 the podcast is so enjoyable is is you and your voice. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.040 I am I am in love with your voice and 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.040 wish I had it. You you have an article or 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.120 I guess it, what is it? Just just a blog 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.440 page where folks can leave you questions about all kinds 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.040 of things, right right, It's kind of an advice site 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.960 and people send questions and an eye for whatever it's worth, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.880 give my very blunt, an honest opinion about what I think. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.480 I like it a lot, Phoebe judge me. I almost 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.520 want to commit a crime so that I can hear 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.000 you do like an intro with my name in it. Well, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.880 that's I mean, I I can do that right now. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.559 You don't have to commit a crime. I mean, I 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.959 that's It's really nice. It's a it's a wonderful honor 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.360 when people, uh say they like my voice. I don't. 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.040 It is actually my real voice. I think sometimes people 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.000 think I'm putting on a stick and uh and then 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.800 they actually They're going to hear me in real life 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.000 and I'm going to sound completely different. But it it 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.400 really is my real voice. That's how I talk, and 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.480 which might be odd, you know. I think it was 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.559 probably odd when I was eight years old and talked 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.480 like this. But but I I'm I'm lucky that people 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.640 like it. I will say that there are also people 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.640 who absolutely hate my voice. We get a lot of 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.319 a lot of emails with people telling me how much 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.240 they dislike my voice and they have no problems letting 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.800 me know about it. Well, you kind of offered it there. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.160 If you were going to do an in show for 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.960 this podcast. So far in this interview, how would it go? 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.840 Give me your one line bio of yourself. I'm Maddie Stout, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.559 podcasting god and digital program director for I Heart Radio 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.320 in San Francisco. One day there is a man named 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.280 Maddie Stout. He spent his days trying to show us 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.400 the good podcast, all while doing it in the digital realm. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.480 Love it. I'm gonna put that like on my answering machine. Hi, 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.240 you've reached Maddie Stout's house. Leave a message. I'm phoebe judge. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.000 This is criminal. Ah, there's another one. Oh, this is great. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.920 I'm gonna feature line all day. Have you always liked 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.440 your voice? I teach you to university And one of 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.720 the best excuses I get for why people don't do 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.000 their homework the first couple of weeks is I just 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.840 don't like the sound of my voice. Have you always 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.360 liked the sound of your voice? No, of course, but 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:49.839 I don't. I mean I like the sound of my 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.080 voice as much as anyone else. I I now a 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.120 day's um when I hear myself on the radio or 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.480 I hear the podio something, I don't even realize it's 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.480 my own voice. And I remember when I first started 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.319 being on the radio. When I heard myself on the 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.280 radio the first time, I thought it was the biggest 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.880 deal in the whole entire world. I couldn't even I 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.840 was just it was such a gigantic deal. And now 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.600 now I can be having a conversation about a million 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.080 other things and it doesn't even phasee me. I think, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.559 I'm just I'm used to it, and uh, I'm probably 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.959 pretty sick of it by this point. I think it's 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.000 one of the things I've liked about the progression of 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:29.240 broadcasting and also with podcasting when I was I started 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.080 radio when I was sixteen in West Virginia, and I 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.679 one of the you know, first guys to ever like 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.360 try to give me some advice was this big voiced guy. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.120 He's like, you have, Maddie, Um, you know, you've you're 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.480 you're you're quite Uh, you're all right with a programming, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.000 but you'll never make it. You'll never make it in 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:45.559 the big market. You just don't have the voice. Man, 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.840 it's just not big enough. And the big voice is 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.160 not needed anymore at all. No, I think the quiet 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.719 voice is what we need. The best thing, the best 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:58.040 compliment I ever got for Criminal. Someone once said Criminal 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.360 is a quiet show, and I thought that was so right, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.320 you know. I think that we we used to believe 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.360 that we had to be big and bold and raise 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.760 our voice, and now I think that what we're hearing. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.600 And certainly with podcasts, I think this is really happening 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.440 because of podcasts, which most people listen to alone, um, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.200 you know, with earphones, and it's a kind of an 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.160 intimate experience. I actually think what people are kind of 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.880 understanding is that you can be calm and quiet and 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.040 that that can maybe get your message across just as 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.199 well as um yelling and and and being loud and powerful. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.400 I work with a lot of the DJs who were 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.880 now trying, you know, getting into podcasting, and the first 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.040 thing I tell them is that it's a difference between 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.240 talking at someone and talking with someone as far as 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.360 the delivery goes right. I mean, no one wants to 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.160 feel like they're being told and what to do, and 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.200 so they certainly don't want to be I feel like 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.280 they're being told, you know, what to think or how 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.160 to listen, and I think all we want is someone 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.480 to kind of be a neutral guide leading us through 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:05.640 this all. What do you love about the podcast art 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.800 and podcasting, Well, I just love how available and open 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.240 it's made storytelling to so many people. Before podcasting, you 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.480 were given this finite amount of time on a radio 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.040 clock and so if you if you didn't make it, 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.160 then you know, there are only so many spots, then 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.360 good luck you. No one was going to hear your work. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.800 And now with podcasting, it's this ability for anyone to 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.680 make a show about anything that interests them. And the 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.040 great thing about it is that it is very likely 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.120 that even if your show is about something so obscure, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.320 like you know, Mustang's in ninety seven, there is going 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.640 to be at least a hundred other people in this 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.040 world who are gonna love to listen to your show. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.640 And now we have a platform forgetting all of that 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.679 information out. It really doesn't take that much to make 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.679 a podcast. You you could basically do it on an iPhone. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.040 You could record yourself. All you need is a good idea. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:00.280 And I really love that that podcasting has brought this 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.160 medium to so many other people. I want to give 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.960 a plug for the home I think I think the 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.959 best poem page for a podcast ever this Criminal dot Com. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.319 The illustrations on it, it's it's not something I can 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.240 describe as well as words as you just have to 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.880 go check it out. But what was the thought behind that, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.200 behind you know, making it such an interesting place to go? Yeah? Well, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.040 the illustrations are done by a friend of ours and 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.560 a wonderful artist named Julian Alexander, and we we we 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.640 started with the illustrations knowing that we would do one 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.840 for every episode even before the show began. What we 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.880 really wanted to do is to create uh an aesthetic 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.920 in some way so that if you look at the 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.520 the tone of the show matches, the look of the 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.680 show matches, the music of the show matches, the feeling 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.720 of the show. It was all one experience we were 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.160 trying to create. And so what I hope is that 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.440 when you hear the show and then look at the website, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.440 look at the art, it all works is one. We 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.280 really wanted to create, this whole experience if we could, 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.960 and her illustrations just seemed to fit in very perfectly 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.840 with that. Well, one experience. I want to share with you. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.760 Is this great radio segment I like to call three 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.440 killer questions. I've got three questions for you, phoebe judge, 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.120 and let's just jump right into them. Number one, what 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.560 kind of criminal would you be? If you were going 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.600 to be a criminal. I think i'd be I know 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.320 that i'd be a nonviolent criminal. I think I might 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.160 be a bank robber because you're not hurting that many people. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.440 And I just think the whole idea of escape is 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.680 so interesting and the planning. I once was able to 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.160 follow around a bank robber for an episode we did, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.120 and I was just so fascinated by the whole thing. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.960 And so and I think about that all the time. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.160 How would I get away with something? So I think 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.160 bank robbery. I have planned so many bank robberies in 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.960 my head. It's it's disgusting, alright. Question number two, if 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.600 any criminal all I've ord did a podcast, who would 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.200 you want to listen to? I think John Dillinger? Interesting? 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.120 Why is that? I don't know. Well, I'm from Chicago, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.280 and so I'm pretty intrigued by Chicago crime because I 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.000 love I Maybe this is the wrong to say I 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.800 love the glamor of his of his crimes. And he 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.600 would escape up to a little you know, retreats in 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.520 Wisconsin in the woods, and I just think, you know, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.280 I just think John Dillinger. I think I would love 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.960 to just he burned off his fingerprints. I mean, there's 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.160 wonderful stuff about him. Um, I think him. I would 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.720 listen to that. And finally, what was the last podcast 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.960 that you binged? I listened to Stown, which is another 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.440 podcast kind of about crime. Um. I listened to Stown, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.680 and I thought it was wonderful. You know, growing up 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.760 in West Virginia. That podcast, I just felt like I 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.320 knew the characters. It really felt like my hometown in 0:16:54.600 --> 0:17:02.360 a lot of ways. It was very very emotional for me. Well, 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.399 Phoebe Judge, I hope you judge me to be a 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.199 good interviewer because I've had a great time talking to 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.239 you today. Oh you were great. Thank you very much. Uh, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.040 Phoebe Judge. You can follow her on Twitter at Phoebe 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.200 v Judge and go check out the podcast. Of course 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.440 you can hear it on I Heart Radio and anywhere 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:28.560 you get podcast. Thanks Phoebe, Thank you. Okay, so it 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.800 is the time of the show where my producer Z 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.000 comes in and we talked about three podcasts that maybe 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.919 I'm not familiar with, but this week, since we just 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.199 had a guest on that I'm absolutely adore and I 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.720 adore Criminal, I thought it'd be fun to talk about 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.440 three podcasts we just love, both of us love. Um 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.280 So I'm exurus to see what because I gave you 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.879 a list of my favorite podcast and I want to 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.840 see which one you picked out for us to check 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.040 out this week. Cool. So, the first one I started 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.960 listening to was Invisible, which is a podcast about architecture 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.880 and design, about things that we use in our everyday 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.880 life that we might never think twice about how they're made. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.040 And I really like that they're based out of Bay Area, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.880 Roban Mars and the whole there in Oakland. Yes, and 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.600 and I live in Oakland. Oakland is home on East Bay, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.200 So I'm super proud that this podcast comes out of Oakland. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.239 And you know what people say, I know they You know, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.000 if we hear the word architecture, you might think it 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.560 sounds born. It really doesn't. I mean, it's start like 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.679 a mundane like here's how it's built. Like they do 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.879 it in such a way that you're so interesting. It 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.640 is amazing and Romans another one of those guys. He's 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.720 got one of those voices that just makes your melt. Yeah, definitely, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.159 he It's like Phoebe. Let's check it out. For the 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.720 past thirty years, Lawson has worked as a researcher and 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:52.600 consultant to Champion Athletic Wear. She specializes in sports braun design. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.520 Sports brawns are a piece of clothing that women might 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.760 take for granted today, but they were totally revolutionary when 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.080 they were first invented. They opened up whole new realms 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.120 of sports and exercise to women. Not just because I've 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.960 spent thirty three years studying at DO I say this, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:13.840 I know from conversations with literally thousands of women that 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.680 this is a game changer for them. That's the Man 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.320 Roman Mars Oh Town from the Town from the Town, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.040 Baby all right. Next one that was also on your 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.199 list that I love, which I've been listening to for 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.040 a while, is called Crime Town from Gimblet Media, and 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.480 it's also the creators of HBOS show The Jinks, which 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:37.600 is a fantastic show. So they investigate corruption and crime 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:42.560 in different American cities and this one um focuses on Providence, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:47.600 Rhode Island, where apparently corruption and crime is so integrated 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.800 into people's daily lives. So if you're really into like 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.840 heights and stings and corrupt cops and stuff like that, 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.399 crime toown is for you. Yeah, and they do a 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.679 lot of the thing that's great about it are the 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:04.359 inner views and hearing, you know, hearing the actual participants speak, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.720 And I think that's what really it adds a level 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.639 to the podcast. Such a such a great show and 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:11.440 addicted to I tell you what else I like about 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.040 the show is the theme music. The music it comes 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.800 and when it comes on, I just want to like, go, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.600 sets you up for the whole show too, gets you excited. Yeah, 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.959 artist doesn't do that, not yet. Maybe we'll change it up. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.640 I don't know. I hope you guys like it. Yeah, 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.399 I like it, but you know, it's not like, not 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:39.840 as good as this one. Anybody check this out? Question 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:48.000 did he kick you? Answer? Yes? Question where did he 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:54.439 kick you? Answer on my right chin? Question did he 0:20:54.480 --> 0:21:00.760 try to burn you with a cigarette? M answer? Yes, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.520