Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Access podcast, the podcast about podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Mattie Stout and one of my favorite podcasts of
Speaker 1: all times is the show Criminal. I like it for
Speaker 1: many reasons, but probably number one is the voice behind
Speaker 1: the show, Phoebe Judge. She's our guest. Let's check out
Speaker 1: a clip from Criminal. Carrie took this information to the
Speaker 1: county attorney, and he ignored her. She then went to
Speaker 1: the States attorney. He ignored her too, so she went
Speaker 1: directly to the governor. She wrote, After appealing to the
Speaker 1: governor in Vain, I found that I could go to
Speaker 1: no other authority on earth. And so in June, she
Speaker 1: finished her housework, cooked a meal for her husband, and
Speaker 1: got on the road to Kyowa with a buggy full
Speaker 1: of bricks. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal, and yes,
Speaker 1: I am joined by that voice Phoebe Judge from Criminal
Speaker 1: the podcast. You are in North Carolina talking to us
Speaker 1: right now. I'm in Durham, North Carolina. That's becoming like
Speaker 1: the a real podcasting hub. You know, you know, you
Speaker 1: think about New York in l A for podcasting, but
Speaker 1: the Triangle region a lot of good shows coming out
Speaker 1: there too, right, Yeah, I mean, it's and we've always
Speaker 1: thought that it's kind of nice to not be in
Speaker 1: New York or Los Angeles. Um, it's not. It's not.
Speaker 1: They're not too many shows coming out of here. So
Speaker 1: it still means that we can kind of keep our
Speaker 1: head down and do what we like. Uh. But I
Speaker 1: think that there aren't enough podcasts really coming out of
Speaker 1: the South at all. I would like to see a
Speaker 1: lot more podcast coming out of the South. I was
Speaker 1: in a taxi cab in New York City a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I was the video screen that
Speaker 1: comes up which shows those ads came up and it
Speaker 1: said New York City the podcast Capital of the World.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was rather bold of them. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that we're we're happy to
Speaker 1: be in Durham and we're happy to get to travel
Speaker 1: all over and get stories and then return home. I'm
Speaker 1: from West Virginia originally, and I think that in general,
Speaker 1: folks from the South. You know, well, my wife goes home,
Speaker 1: she'll talk to my friends and she she looked at
Speaker 1: me one day and she goes, I understand why you
Speaker 1: do what you do. You people tell stories about everything,
Speaker 1: and it takes you know, an hour to tell a
Speaker 1: story about going to the store. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I
Speaker 1: think that's isn't it. It's great fun to be able
Speaker 1: to make a podcast where you can just do whatever
Speaker 1: you like, you know, and you they can be any
Speaker 1: length you like, and we just find topics that interest us. Now,
Speaker 1: crime is definitely the topic on your podcast. Are you
Speaker 1: always been into crime or you a kid who was
Speaker 1: checking out Encyclopedia Brown or any of that stuff when
Speaker 1: you were younger. I mean, I think that I'm interested
Speaker 1: in crime honestly, as much as anyone else is interested
Speaker 1: in crime. You know, crime stories are just incredibly intriguing.
Speaker 1: But no, I wasn't more fascinated with crime as a
Speaker 1: little girl than I was about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But I think what's so interesting about having a show
Speaker 1: about crime is that we really do believe that we're
Speaker 1: never going to run out of stories, and we take
Speaker 1: such a broad approach to that word crime that, you know,
Speaker 1: the great fun of it is that we can do
Speaker 1: stories that are of course serious and sad and important,
Speaker 1: but we also do stories a lot of times that
Speaker 1: are funny, and I think for us it's kind of
Speaker 1: surprising the listener. They really don't know what they're going
Speaker 1: to get next. I love that about the show because
Speaker 1: of the of the very topics. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things I like about the podcast, including just the way
Speaker 1: it structured, the pace, the length. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just one of those podcasts that it's very binge
Speaker 1: able in a lot of ways. Have you had a
Speaker 1: favorite criminal that you've talked about yet a favorite criminal? Well,
Speaker 1: I certainly do have favorite episodes. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: episodes is not about a criminal, but it's about I
Speaker 1: guess a lot of criminals. And that was we did
Speaker 1: an episode about people who were stealing petrified wood in Arizona,
Speaker 1: and it was basically they would steal it and then
Speaker 1: they would leave that they had been cursed, and so
Speaker 1: they would send it back, you know, maybe many years later.
Speaker 1: And so this National Park was just getting these packages
Speaker 1: full of wood that people had stolen in their pants,
Speaker 1: and I just thought that was such a wonderful story,
Speaker 1: was so funny and also so touching to think that
Speaker 1: these people really did believe that all the things that
Speaker 1: were going wrong in their life happened because they had
Speaker 1: stolen a little, you know, palm sized piece of wood
Speaker 1: and and now that you were trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of it. One of my favorite episodes is about Carrie
Speaker 1: Nation and I don't know why. I'm I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I've always had some kind of fascination with her. I
Speaker 1: just and probably the picture of her running around and
Speaker 1: smashing things. Is that one of one you've enjoyed doing too. Oh?
Speaker 1: I love that. And you know the great thing about
Speaker 1: that episode is that I went to the to the
Speaker 1: Kansas State Historical Society, so I could see I was
Speaker 1: up close to and looking at and touching all of
Speaker 1: her things, like the hatchet, like her hatchet pins, like
Speaker 1: her fake teeth, and so a lot of times. You know,
Speaker 1: the great thing about Criminal is that we we I
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in studios talking to people
Speaker 1: that I might not even see, you know, they're on
Speaker 1: the other side of the country. It sounds like we're together.
Speaker 1: But any time that I can go and actually be
Speaker 1: around someone or around someone's things, I think it makes
Speaker 1: the stories all the richer. Now, you are an award
Speaker 1: winning reporter, do you think that that's a skill set
Speaker 1: that that set kind of sets apart. I think some
Speaker 1: of the great podcasts right now that they're done by
Speaker 1: folks who who know how to tell a story and
Speaker 1: have that journalistic background. Well, that's that's really nice. UM.
Speaker 1: I am a reporter. It's all I've ever done. And
Speaker 1: for us, you know, we thought always about Criminal as
Speaker 1: a journalistic effort. Um. We hold that, you know, we
Speaker 1: hold that standard to be true for our podcast. And
Speaker 1: and you know, there are a lot of stories that
Speaker 1: we won't do that I really want to do for Criminal,
Speaker 1: that we just can't do because we can't find someone
Speaker 1: to back up the facts. And we take that incredibly seriously. Um.
Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time fact checking, We spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time getting the legal documents. I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of writing of script right now as we speak,
Speaker 1: where I'm struggling with that because I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: the source materials that we can add this really great
Speaker 1: fact into the episode. UM. And I'll be very sad
Speaker 1: if I can't find something to back it up, because
Speaker 1: I would really love to add it. So we we
Speaker 1: we also have a great reverence and respect for these
Speaker 1: people's stories that we're telling, and I think for us,
Speaker 1: we need to be as truthful and honest as possible. UM,
Speaker 1: because it. It is uh, it's an honor to be
Speaker 1: able to tell the stories that these people are allowing
Speaker 1: us to. I think it's really interesting when a reporter
Speaker 1: can tell a story that on the outside to a
Speaker 1: person might not seem interesting. And what I mean, for example,
Speaker 1: is and corporate crime. So you know, something like the
Speaker 1: BP oil spill, which you've covered. I think that that's
Speaker 1: one thing that I'd like to see more of. I
Speaker 1: just feel, you know that in general, we we cover
Speaker 1: kind of these these horrific crimes all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: in the news and on some podcasts. And I think
Speaker 1: that's one thing I really love about your podcast is
Speaker 1: you can you can take some information that on the
Speaker 1: outside might not be something that I think I was
Speaker 1: interested in until I hear you talk about it. Then
Speaker 1: I'm completely interested in it. Well that's that's really nice.
Speaker 1: I mean, for my favorite story to tell is the
Speaker 1: smallest story. I think that you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: times we glaze over these little stories, but I think
Speaker 1: it's the little story which sometimes can be the most interesting.
Speaker 1: And I think it is really hard, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think corporate crimes are hard to tell and keep
Speaker 1: people's interests. I also unfortunately think that environmental crimes are
Speaker 1: really hard to tell in a compelling way. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a challenge that I've always felt, and so
Speaker 1: I think that I've I always try to think about why,
Speaker 1: why is the story hard to tell or loses an interest?
Speaker 1: And I think that's because some of these crimes we
Speaker 1: can't find a central character who has been directly impacted.
Speaker 1: And how you keep someone's interest is not by blood
Speaker 1: and guts. I don't believe it is or gore or
Speaker 1: sadness or violence. You keep someone's interest because you've made
Speaker 1: a connection with the character. And so that for us
Speaker 1: is what We're always trying to find a story where
Speaker 1: we can find a character who the audience will be
Speaker 1: able to connect with in some way. They might not
Speaker 1: agree with them, they might think they're a jerk, but
Speaker 1: they're able to connect and learn more about them. I
Speaker 1: think part of the uh, the charm and the reason
Speaker 1: the podcast is so enjoyable is is you and your voice.
Speaker 1: I am I am in love with your voice and
Speaker 1: wish I had it. You you have an article or
Speaker 1: I guess it, what is it? Just just a blog
Speaker 1: page where folks can leave you questions about all kinds
Speaker 1: of things, right right, It's kind of an advice site
Speaker 1: and people send questions and an eye for whatever it's worth,
Speaker 1: give my very blunt, an honest opinion about what I think.
Speaker 1: I like it a lot, Phoebe judge me. I almost
Speaker 1: want to commit a crime so that I can hear
Speaker 1: you do like an intro with my name in it. Well,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I I can do that right now.
Speaker 1: You don't have to commit a crime. I mean, I
Speaker 1: that's It's really nice. It's a it's a wonderful honor
Speaker 1: when people, uh say they like my voice. I don't.
Speaker 1: It is actually my real voice. I think sometimes people
Speaker 1: think I'm putting on a stick and uh and then
Speaker 1: they actually They're going to hear me in real life
Speaker 1: and I'm going to sound completely different. But it it
Speaker 1: really is my real voice. That's how I talk, and
Speaker 1: which might be odd, you know. I think it was
Speaker 1: probably odd when I was eight years old and talked
Speaker 1: like this. But but I I'm I'm lucky that people
Speaker 1: like it. I will say that there are also people
Speaker 1: who absolutely hate my voice. We get a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of emails with people telling me how much
Speaker 1: they dislike my voice and they have no problems letting
Speaker 1: me know about it. Well, you kind of offered it there.
Speaker 1: If you were going to do an in show for
Speaker 1: this podcast. So far in this interview, how would it go?
Speaker 1: Give me your one line bio of yourself. I'm Maddie Stout,
Speaker 1: podcasting god and digital program director for I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. One day there is a man named
Speaker 1: Maddie Stout. He spent his days trying to show us
Speaker 1: the good podcast, all while doing it in the digital realm.
Speaker 1: Love it. I'm gonna put that like on my answering machine. Hi,
Speaker 1: you've reached Maddie Stout's house. Leave a message. I'm phoebe judge.
Speaker 1: This is criminal. Ah, there's another one. Oh, this is great.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feature line all day. Have you always liked
Speaker 1: your voice? I teach you to university And one of
Speaker 1: the best excuses I get for why people don't do
Speaker 1: their homework the first couple of weeks is I just
Speaker 1: don't like the sound of my voice. Have you always
Speaker 1: liked the sound of your voice? No, of course, but
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean I like the sound of my
Speaker 1: voice as much as anyone else. I I now a
Speaker 1: day's um when I hear myself on the radio or
Speaker 1: I hear the podio something, I don't even realize it's
Speaker 1: my own voice. And I remember when I first started
Speaker 1: being on the radio. When I heard myself on the
Speaker 1: radio the first time, I thought it was the biggest
Speaker 1: deal in the whole entire world. I couldn't even I
Speaker 1: was just it was such a gigantic deal. And now
Speaker 1: now I can be having a conversation about a million
Speaker 1: other things and it doesn't even phasee me. I think,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm used to it, and uh, I'm probably
Speaker 1: pretty sick of it by this point. I think it's
Speaker 1: one of the things I've liked about the progression of
Speaker 1: broadcasting and also with podcasting when I was I started
Speaker 1: radio when I was sixteen in West Virginia, and I
Speaker 1: one of the you know, first guys to ever like
Speaker 1: try to give me some advice was this big voiced guy.
Speaker 1: He's like, you have, Maddie, Um, you know, you've you're
Speaker 1: you're you're quite Uh, you're all right with a programming,
Speaker 1: but you'll never make it. You'll never make it in
Speaker 1: the big market. You just don't have the voice. Man,
Speaker 1: it's just not big enough. And the big voice is
Speaker 1: not needed anymore at all. No, I think the quiet
Speaker 1: voice is what we need. The best thing, the best
Speaker 1: compliment I ever got for Criminal. Someone once said Criminal
Speaker 1: is a quiet show, and I thought that was so right,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that we we used to believe
Speaker 1: that we had to be big and bold and raise
Speaker 1: our voice, and now I think that what we're hearing.
Speaker 1: And certainly with podcasts, I think this is really happening
Speaker 1: because of podcasts, which most people listen to alone, um,
Speaker 1: you know, with earphones, and it's a kind of an
Speaker 1: intimate experience. I actually think what people are kind of
Speaker 1: understanding is that you can be calm and quiet and
Speaker 1: that that can maybe get your message across just as
Speaker 1: well as um yelling and and and being loud and powerful.
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of the DJs who were
Speaker 1: now trying, you know, getting into podcasting, and the first
Speaker 1: thing I tell them is that it's a difference between
Speaker 1: talking at someone and talking with someone as far as
Speaker 1: the delivery goes right. I mean, no one wants to
Speaker 1: feel like they're being told and what to do, and
Speaker 1: so they certainly don't want to be I feel like
Speaker 1: they're being told, you know, what to think or how
Speaker 1: to listen, and I think all we want is someone
Speaker 1: to kind of be a neutral guide leading us through
Speaker 1: this all. What do you love about the podcast art
Speaker 1: and podcasting, Well, I just love how available and open
Speaker 1: it's made storytelling to so many people. Before podcasting, you
Speaker 1: were given this finite amount of time on a radio
Speaker 1: clock and so if you if you didn't make it,
Speaker 1: then you know, there are only so many spots, then
Speaker 1: good luck you. No one was going to hear your work.
Speaker 1: And now with podcasting, it's this ability for anyone to
Speaker 1: make a show about anything that interests them. And the
Speaker 1: great thing about it is that it is very likely
Speaker 1: that even if your show is about something so obscure,
Speaker 1: like you know, Mustang's in ninety seven, there is going
Speaker 1: to be at least a hundred other people in this
Speaker 1: world who are gonna love to listen to your show.
Speaker 1: And now we have a platform forgetting all of that
Speaker 1: information out. It really doesn't take that much to make
Speaker 1: a podcast. You you could basically do it on an iPhone.
Speaker 1: You could record yourself. All you need is a good idea.
Speaker 1: And I really love that that podcasting has brought this
Speaker 1: medium to so many other people. I want to give
Speaker 1: a plug for the home I think I think the
Speaker 1: best poem page for a podcast ever this Criminal dot Com.
Speaker 1: The illustrations on it, it's it's not something I can
Speaker 1: describe as well as words as you just have to
Speaker 1: go check it out. But what was the thought behind that,
Speaker 1: behind you know, making it such an interesting place to go? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: the illustrations are done by a friend of ours and
Speaker 1: a wonderful artist named Julian Alexander, and we we we
Speaker 1: started with the illustrations knowing that we would do one
Speaker 1: for every episode even before the show began. What we
Speaker 1: really wanted to do is to create uh an aesthetic
Speaker 1: in some way so that if you look at the
Speaker 1: the tone of the show matches, the look of the
Speaker 1: show matches, the music of the show matches, the feeling
Speaker 1: of the show. It was all one experience we were
Speaker 1: trying to create. And so what I hope is that
Speaker 1: when you hear the show and then look at the website,
Speaker 1: look at the art, it all works is one. We
Speaker 1: really wanted to create, this whole experience if we could,
Speaker 1: and her illustrations just seemed to fit in very perfectly
Speaker 1: with that. Well, one experience. I want to share with you.
Speaker 1: Is this great radio segment I like to call three
Speaker 1: killer questions. I've got three questions for you, phoebe judge,
Speaker 1: and let's just jump right into them. Number one, what
Speaker 1: kind of criminal would you be? If you were going
Speaker 1: to be a criminal. I think i'd be I know
Speaker 1: that i'd be a nonviolent criminal. I think I might
Speaker 1: be a bank robber because you're not hurting that many people.
Speaker 1: And I just think the whole idea of escape is
Speaker 1: so interesting and the planning. I once was able to
Speaker 1: follow around a bank robber for an episode we did,
Speaker 1: and I was just so fascinated by the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And so and I think about that all the time.
Speaker 1: How would I get away with something? So I think
Speaker 1: bank robbery. I have planned so many bank robberies in
Speaker 1: my head. It's it's disgusting, alright. Question number two, if
Speaker 1: any criminal all I've ord did a podcast, who would
Speaker 1: you want to listen to? I think John Dillinger? Interesting?
Speaker 1: Why is that? I don't know. Well, I'm from Chicago,
Speaker 1: and so I'm pretty intrigued by Chicago crime because I
Speaker 1: love I Maybe this is the wrong to say I
Speaker 1: love the glamor of his of his crimes. And he
Speaker 1: would escape up to a little you know, retreats in
Speaker 1: Wisconsin in the woods, and I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: I just think John Dillinger. I think I would love
Speaker 1: to just he burned off his fingerprints. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: wonderful stuff about him. Um, I think him. I would
Speaker 1: listen to that. And finally, what was the last podcast
Speaker 1: that you binged? I listened to Stown, which is another
Speaker 1: podcast kind of about crime. Um. I listened to Stown,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was wonderful. You know, growing up
Speaker 1: in West Virginia. That podcast, I just felt like I
Speaker 1: knew the characters. It really felt like my hometown in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. It was very very emotional for me. Well,
Speaker 1: Phoebe Judge, I hope you judge me to be a
Speaker 1: good interviewer because I've had a great time talking to
Speaker 1: you today. Oh you were great. Thank you very much. Uh,
Speaker 1: Phoebe Judge. You can follow her on Twitter at Phoebe
Speaker 1: v Judge and go check out the podcast. Of course
Speaker 1: you can hear it on I Heart Radio and anywhere
Speaker 1: you get podcast. Thanks Phoebe, Thank you. Okay, so it
Speaker 1: is the time of the show where my producer Z
Speaker 1: comes in and we talked about three podcasts that maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with, but this week, since we just
Speaker 1: had a guest on that I'm absolutely adore and I
Speaker 1: adore Criminal, I thought it'd be fun to talk about
Speaker 1: three podcasts we just love, both of us love. Um
Speaker 1: So I'm exurus to see what because I gave you
Speaker 1: a list of my favorite podcast and I want to
Speaker 1: see which one you picked out for us to check
Speaker 1: out this week. Cool. So, the first one I started
Speaker 1: listening to was Invisible, which is a podcast about architecture
Speaker 1: and design, about things that we use in our everyday
Speaker 1: life that we might never think twice about how they're made.
Speaker 1: And I really like that they're based out of Bay Area,
Speaker 1: Roban Mars and the whole there in Oakland. Yes, and
Speaker 1: and I live in Oakland. Oakland is home on East Bay,
Speaker 1: So I'm super proud that this podcast comes out of Oakland.
Speaker 1: And you know what people say, I know they You know,
Speaker 1: if we hear the word architecture, you might think it
Speaker 1: sounds born. It really doesn't. I mean, it's start like
Speaker 1: a mundane like here's how it's built. Like they do
Speaker 1: it in such a way that you're so interesting. It
Speaker 1: is amazing and Romans another one of those guys. He's
Speaker 1: got one of those voices that just makes your melt. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: he It's like Phoebe. Let's check it out. For the
Speaker 1: past thirty years, Lawson has worked as a researcher and
Speaker 1: consultant to Champion Athletic Wear. She specializes in sports braun design.
Speaker 1: Sports brawns are a piece of clothing that women might
Speaker 1: take for granted today, but they were totally revolutionary when
Speaker 1: they were first invented. They opened up whole new realms
Speaker 1: of sports and exercise to women. Not just because I've
Speaker 1: spent thirty three years studying at DO I say this,
Speaker 1: I know from conversations with literally thousands of women that
Speaker 1: this is a game changer for them. That's the Man
Speaker 1: Roman Mars Oh Town from the Town from the Town,
Speaker 1: Baby all right. Next one that was also on your
Speaker 1: list that I love, which I've been listening to for
Speaker 1: a while, is called Crime Town from Gimblet Media, and
Speaker 1: it's also the creators of HBOS show The Jinks, which
Speaker 1: is a fantastic show. So they investigate corruption and crime
Speaker 1: in different American cities and this one um focuses on Providence,
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, where apparently corruption and crime is so integrated
Speaker 1: into people's daily lives. So if you're really into like
Speaker 1: heights and stings and corrupt cops and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: crime toown is for you. Yeah, and they do a
Speaker 1: lot of the thing that's great about it are the
Speaker 1: inner views and hearing, you know, hearing the actual participants speak,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what really it adds a level
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Such a such a great show and
Speaker 1: addicted to I tell you what else I like about
Speaker 1: the show is the theme music. The music it comes
Speaker 1: and when it comes on, I just want to like, go,
Speaker 1: sets you up for the whole show too, gets you excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: artist doesn't do that, not yet. Maybe we'll change it up.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope you guys like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it, but you know, it's not like, not
Speaker 1: as good as this one. Anybody check this out? Question
Speaker 1: did he kick you? Answer? Yes? Question where did he
Speaker 1: kick you? Answer on my right chin? Question did he
Speaker 1: try to burn you with a cigarette? M answer? Yes,
Speaker 1: Uh that's just a little You gotta go listen the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's too good to like encapsulate into a
Speaker 1: short piece. So next one, next one, last one is
Speaker 1: a reply All, which I know you love. It's my
Speaker 1: favorite podcast. It's the one I listened to the most
Speaker 1: because I don't get a lot of time to listen
Speaker 1: to podcasts outside of work, because I have twenty six
Speaker 1: podcasts here I teach. I have thirty students that I
Speaker 1: have to listen to stuff. So this is one every
Speaker 1: week I make time for. In fact, when it comes
Speaker 1: out that evening, I go home and I listened to
Speaker 1: it while I throw a ball from my dog. That's
Speaker 1: so nice. So it's just like a like a relaxing
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It is so good. I love, I love,
Speaker 1: I love those guys, and I just adore this podcast.
Speaker 1: And if you haven't listened to it yet, you're so lucky.
Speaker 1: You have a whole catalog to go back and you
Speaker 1: can bend this one. And if you go on their website,
Speaker 1: they tell you like you can start from the beginning,
Speaker 1: or they give you suggested episodes to start from, which
Speaker 1: is really nice. And I thought the interesting thing was
Speaker 1: they describe it as a technology podcast, but it's so
Speaker 1: much more than that. It's such a storytelling podcast. I
Speaker 1: was listening to the one about live journal, which I
Speaker 1: haven't heard about since I started using it like years
Speaker 1: and years ago, and they went to this whole story
Speaker 1: about how live journal even though it stopped in America,
Speaker 1: it took off in Russia and the corruption and with
Speaker 1: Putin and everything, and I was just like, things, you
Speaker 1: would never know about these things that we use all
Speaker 1: the time. When it came out, I was a big
Speaker 1: fan of startup and I think Replay All was the
Speaker 1: second podcast the Gimlet put out, And yeah, and when
Speaker 1: he said it's about technology, I'm like, And then I
Speaker 1: kept hearing about it and hearing about it, and I
Speaker 1: listened to an episode and I went back and I
Speaker 1: was driving. I think I was on a road trip
Speaker 1: to up to Tahoe for something, and I binged and
Speaker 1: I binged all the way back that, yeah, it's such
Speaker 1: a good show. Well, let's listen to a little taste.
Speaker 1: Here's like a thing that you wrote in two ausand
Speaker 1: nine that at least shows that your personality is static
Speaker 1: hilarious name for an actual person. Do do topaz ah?
Speaker 1: All right? You want to hear September eight, how you're
Speaker 1: doing it for a two PM. So, hey, dear Diary,
Speaker 1: I know this place is basically my emotional chamber pot
Speaker 1: where I dump all my mcguffins and let them coagulate
Speaker 1: into sadness to good job. Those are great podcast If
Speaker 1: you are not listening to those podcasts, they're all available
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