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Speaker 2: You may have noticed that we did not air an

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Speaker 2: episode of Meat Eater Radio Live yesterday because of the

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving holiday here in the good old Us of A.

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Speaker 2: So in lieu of that, we decided to drop this

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Speaker 2: Gang going over fall hunting stories, some newsybits. It's kind

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Speaker 3: T E dot com. Welcome to the show, everybody, that's

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Speaker 3: a strong welcome. Hell yes, got a great line up

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Speaker 3: here today. We're gonna do a bunch of news. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna do some updates.

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Speaker 4: H I have an item, actually, Spencer Newharts here you

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Speaker 4: can continue.

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Speaker 3: Fresh off killing a big buck, Randall Williams is here.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm, fresh off and nothing, fresh off of nothing,

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Speaker 5: our breaker, Corey Calkins, I remember you like the Caulkins.

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Speaker 3: Better works better for me, Corey Caulkins, fresh off of what.

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Speaker 6: Helping some friends fill their freezers?

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Speaker 3: Good deal, that's nice deal. Ryan Callahan's you're fresh from

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Speaker 3: killing a big old grizzy well yeah, pretty fresh, well,

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Speaker 3: he said, he wants it. He wants to even bigger one.

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Speaker 5: Well parts of me still smell like.

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Speaker 3: Wearing you. I've been wearing your waiters around and they're

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Speaker 3: coated in that grease. They're like extra waterproof. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: because it's held up by if it gets blocked by

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I may, This seems like a good time

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Speaker 4: happy birth.

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Speaker 5: At the point birthday forty three? Are you one forty three? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that happened on cool Man eighty six. Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: take to get kicked out of.

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Speaker 3: Phil's here. He's deep, He's neck deep into cratch It.

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Speaker 5: The twelfth edition of the Cratchit Report.

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Speaker 3: Oh dude, I'm licking my lips. So, since this hasn't

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Speaker 7: This comes out December fifteenth, so.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I've already been Oh and I'm still regularly weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I got older that night.

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Speaker 6: I don't remember that.

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Speaker 3: Phil was the only guy that did any good.

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Speaker 4: I was on the edge of my seat the whole

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Speaker 3: Everybody sucked except Phil.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're doing this year, is we're changing the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the weird This has nothing to do with

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Speaker 3: anything but just the weird ethics question. So so my

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Speaker 3: friend Mercer long sends me this year, well, sends me

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Speaker 3: with a Daniel Boone quote. Just has a nice little

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Speaker 3: in Africa and I run into these fellas actually using

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Speaker 3: So is it a real bind?

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Speaker 8: If that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 3: It's like an ethical bind.

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Speaker 7: What's the value of that knife?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could also just say, like I appreciated

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Speaker 5: I bought myself. You know, it's also just about you

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I wouldn't even thought about.

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Speaker 4: It's also super cool that there's a guy in Africa

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Speaker 3: My kid asked my kid, my little one. He kind

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Speaker 3: of was more. He was into that trade. He liked

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Speaker 3: asking him about it? And I said yes, Well I

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Speaker 5: I would think that a big part of their conversation

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Speaker 5: But we also had to sit through a forty minute

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Speaker 8: It's like I basically gave away.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 7: You both were satisfied afterwards. I think you should double

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my kids always talk about that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, whatever, and eventually they end up with a house. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: wrong direction. No, I don't think he's doing that. You

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Speaker 3: Well, I got a picture of the guy. He's a

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Speaker 7: Okay, it's a good start.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, man, I'll trade that for what a house?

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Speaker 4: Well eventually, yeah whatever one ac you're gonna have to start.

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Speaker 7: To get to. So you know, like from now you're

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of news we haven't covered. We

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Speaker 3: Kellahan's big news. Kellahn, you want to explain your big news?

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Speaker 3: Not you, not your bear.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I am the incoming CEO at Backcountry Hunters and Angle,

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Speaker 5: which is is super cool. I start officially January first,

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Speaker 5: and organization I've volunteered with for over a decade at.

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Speaker 3: This on the board that long well in various capacities.

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Speaker 5: In various capacities, Yeah, exactly, yeah, because yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of rules involving nonprofit boards and how

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Speaker 5: they function, the by laws, so like you can serve

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Speaker 5: so long as just a board member at large, and

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Speaker 5: then you can serve longer if you become a committee

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Speaker 5: so I'm I'm super excited and very optimistic for the

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Speaker 5: future of those organizations in general, but BHA specifically, because

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Speaker 5: I think we got a big voice and a lot

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna do a good job.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 5: A lot to learn, a little scary, a lot of

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Speaker 4: Of my there's a lot of knobs and switches that

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Speaker 5: And that that's what I told the board when they

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Speaker 5: to walk through that process with everybody. And you definitely

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Speaker 5: Oh really, Oh yeah already you've heard about them. Yes,

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, they're like, so we know you're probably not

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Speaker 5: we'll continue to work with all you fellas here, which

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Speaker 3: That will be your mouthpiece. Dude, we need to come

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Speaker 3: and tell people about something. Come and tell them about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Cal's report exactly.

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Speaker 8: Who get to sit in this chair? Next time?

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Speaker 3: Cal, I get to move up to the important because

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Speaker 3: always sits in it.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be a hard transition for you over the

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Speaker 5: important chair.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why he's there right now?

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Speaker 7: Is the open one when I came in.

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Speaker 5: He's got a really good story.

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Speaker 6: He did shoot a big buck.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's why he's in that chair. Yeah, I got,

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Speaker 3: I got a bucks, I got, I got, I got

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Speaker 3: a three pack buck story. I'm gonna tell to Cal's

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Speaker 3: can talk about his bear and I'm gonna tell about

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Speaker 3: my three pack buck story. Blood trails. If you got

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Speaker 3: he's been listening to blood Trails. The podcast it's been

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Speaker 3: And one thing we get into Blood Trails all the

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Speaker 3: missing bodies, and what's totally weird about it is Krin

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Speaker 5: Maybe you need to sit in a Dungeons and Dragons

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Speaker 6: That link just goes to gmail.

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Speaker 4: But those brown bear attacks keep everybody, keep everybody entertaining.

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Speaker 5: H brown bears right like they we we think about

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Speaker 3: Here we go to this.

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Speaker 3: No about Italy.

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Speaker 3: They're like hiking bear spray being around bears.

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Speaker 5: Now, the Council of Gallison degreed this. Well, I told

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Speaker 3: I'm exaggerating a lot. Well, when when the child cherries

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Speaker 3: It just comes through eating show cherries, messing with garbage

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Speaker 8: But nobody's carrying bear spray.

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Speaker 5: like outfitter went bust and just cut his pack string lose.

440
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Speaker 7: How long ago, I don't know when when I when

441
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 7: I heard that they were like in town, I didn't

442
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 7: think literally in town, like standing.

443
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 4: On it used to be that areas like really grown

444
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 4: in the past ten years. But yeah, it's like it

445
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: used to be a more rural that looks more threatening

446
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: than a bear.

447
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

448
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I shouldn't be there.

449
00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: Here's a Tennessee guy, Tennessee man has runs into that

450
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: problem where you know when you see Giant Bucks where

451
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: you're now supposed to chase him. Do you hear about

452
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: this guy? So he gets wind of a or he's

453
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 3: probably seeing this giant buck running around Giant Bucks. I mean,

454
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: now I'm blocked out of this damn thing. I'm in

455
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: the Tennessee. Yeah. So there's this very distinctive buck with

456
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: some drop tins and stuff like that, and all of

457
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: a sudden, there he is, and he's got it. He's

458
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: got pictures of it out well. The prison guard, the

459
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: local prison guard says, hey, I know that buck. He

460
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: lives at the prison. They go and check this guy's

461
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: house out. He's got three bucks he killed on the prison.

462
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Speaker 3: What's interesting about the news article in the Tennessee and

463
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: is it instead of talking about how big any of

464
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 3: them is, it gives you the combine kind the score

465
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Speaker 3: of all three bucks.

466
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Speaker 7: Yeah, which and then you have to do one hundred

467
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 7: sixty three inches.

468
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's like it says he killed three bucks totally, well,

469
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: four hundred ninety one inches. If you imagine, like, like,

470
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Speaker 3: first off, we'll talk about the story in a minute,

471
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Speaker 3: but I just saw if you imagine like your average

472
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: person reading the tennesseean, yeah, and you tell them he

473
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: killed three bucks.

474
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Speaker 7: Totaling four hundred ninety one inches, what.

475
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Speaker 3: Is the level of like, oh, you know, like the reader,

476
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Speaker 3: what is their level of?

477
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Speaker 8: Or the editor was just like this graph is too long,

478
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Speaker 8: let's just add them all up.

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just kind of get lost in all the

480
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: numbers and we talking about how they all the dear

481
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: arcas add him up. Yeah, so he killed he kept

482
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: quote Oh no, no, this is a quote from the

483
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: actual Lauderdale County General Sessions Judge Judge Lovelace like that name,

484
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: he said, quote, the three bucks had a combined gross score,

485
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 3: not net quote. The three Bucks had a combined gross

486
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 3: score of four hundred and ninety one and five eighths inches.

487
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 8: This just sounds ripe for a a screenplay.

488
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the scheme, the scheme to break into the prison,

489
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: taunt the big bucks.

490
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty three year old man, God man, I can

491
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: totally relate to that guy.

492
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Speaker 5: It just goes to two years.

493
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Speaker 3: I would picture hunted to a prison. It's like a

494
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: height where it was to have to break.

495
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Speaker 5: I know I shouldn't do this, but for those in

496
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Speaker 5: the room, listeners, block your ears. Just watched Corey Caulkins

497
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: look this place up and drop not just a pan,

498
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: but a white tail buck PM on the correctional facility.

499
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: It was more for you.

500
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Speaker 8: What is the what does the perimeter look like?

501
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make a movie. It's called Ocean's One. It's

502
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: just one dude trying to kill bucks off the prison.

503
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Speaker 6: It's a beautiful piece of ground.

504
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: It's an amazing he's got some amazing bucks there. That

505
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate about the article is it's trying to like

506
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: it's so the article says, uh, where's this thing?

507
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: Is Corey thinking? One day if I ever go to

508
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 5: Tennessee or one day I never get thrown in prison.

509
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Speaker 3: Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency Lieutenant Tim Ward, Tennessee Wildlife Resource

510
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: Agency Lieutenant Tim Ward heard reports in January that a

511
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Speaker 3: fifteen point double drop time than the article includes a

512
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: very helpful parenthetical meaning some of the antlers point down

513
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: was shot in Lauderdale County. Lieutenant Ward was familiar with

514
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: this deer as it had been spotted frequently around the

515
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: West Tennessee State Penitentiary. We're hunting is prohibited now if

516
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: you had to go to jail, Let's say you're a

517
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: big hunter, they throw you into the whoscal. That's worse

518
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: than being in jail. As you look out your little

519
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: barred window and that's son of a business, you patterned

520
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: him out the window.

521
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: Also with that description, when you hang a buck up

522
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 5: on your gambrels, are they all drop times? Look at

523
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: all the drop on that Look at the drop times

524
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: on that buck right there holding him.

525
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it looks like it's a chain link fence around

526
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 6: the perimeter. So yeah, I'm sure some inmates were watching

527
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 6: those deer.

528
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I do think we should offer the disclaimer

529
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: that we're all well aware that these deer were likely

530
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: outside of the perimeter.

531
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Speaker 8: And yeah, it's much more fun to entertain that scenario.

532
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 8: But I just don't think. I don't want to get

533
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 8: a bunch of messages on Instagram saying you idiot.

534
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I understand. Yeah, you know, like the part

535
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: of the prison where the bad guys kind of whisper

536
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: and stuff about, like in the yard further crime they're

537
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: gonna do you know. Yeah, in the movies, I don't

538
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: think that's where the buck knows.

539
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 8: He's not by the he's not by the bench press

540
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 8: in the basketball.

541
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: No, he's not there, man, He's off like in the

542
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: area where the prisoner gets away. Yeah, exactly where he's

543
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: gonna hide.

544
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 8: Where the searchlights shine into.

545
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: No, I don't carry bear spray just because there's a

546
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: black bear in the vicinity. But if I was hunting there,

547
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: because you don't know when a guy's gonna bust the

548
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: who's coal, Yeah, and there you are.

549
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 6: I will say this butts up against public land.

550
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: Right exactly. But that double drop time there's somebody right

551
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: now that's just upset with you, so upset it's so

552
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: public knowledge. I mean, he's got he's got a buck.

553
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: That's like a beautiful typical, that crazy drop tyner. He's

554
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: got the other one with some real junk on it,

555
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: some little kickers here and there. They don't explain kickers

556
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: in the article.

557
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: I I this is embarrassing to say, but I definitely

558
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 5: had a reaction of like, I mean, it's just the

559
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 5: greed man, Like this guy had this little illegal thing

560
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: figured out.

561
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, well, or is he thinking he's like,

562
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: here these here's these deer. First off, he's thinking these

563
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: people are supposed to be in jail instead of looking

564
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: at Giant Bucks.

565
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 6: Ye, take that right away, do you know what I mean?

566
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: Like, like they're doing their they committed and now they committed,

567
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 3: should they have the joy heinous crimes? And now they

568
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: get to look at Giant Bucks. And I don't m

569
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: so that might be what he's thinking.

570
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of casting a Channing Tatum type for the

571
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: lead in this film, not a real artist, with someone

572
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: with a sense of humor who can also be sort

573
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: of a dashing action hero.

574
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: Sure, that's I agreed, because the guy he wasn't like.

575
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 5: I have a combined gross amount of antler of four

576
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 5: hundred and ninety one for my secret hunting spot I

577
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: should call it quits now, or I shouldn't tell anybody.

578
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 7: He did it successfully enough that he was comfortable getting

579
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 7: two of these deer shoulder mounted, which is like kind

580
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 7: of a high profile thing that happens if you go

581
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 7: get a deer shoulder mounted.

582
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like, he's not a home folks know.

583
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, one on the right is a deer that should

584
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 8: be in a on a T shirt.

585
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: Clay did one about a guy that killed one on

586
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Speaker 3: a military base illegally. He claimed that when he saw

587
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: he just lost his mind. Susie. As soon as he

588
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: shot it, he said, I said to myself, I'll never

589
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: get away with this, but in temporary insanity.

590
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 6: Wow.

591
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: We interviewed a guy one time, the game warden from Idaho,

592
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: former game He was a game ward at the time. Eric. Uh,

593
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: you know they put those robo deer out. They don't

594
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: use giants, you use mediums. He was saying, if you

595
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: push it to using giants, everyone shoots at it.

596
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: So then they want to get the real.

597
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 7: Case.

598
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: They use mediums because they're worried that it's like entrapman. Shoo, Yeah,

599
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: it's entrapman. You're baiting the trap with two enticing of

600
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: a bait, so you bait it with a medium.

601
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 8: Wow makes sense.

602
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: You know.

603
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: I was working with Jordan Seillers to go back to

604
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: blood trails because there's an Idaho judge who's now retired

605
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 5: who several game wardens referred to as a hanging judge

606
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 5: when it came to wildlife crime. Oh, and so I'm

607
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 5: trying to get that fellow track down so Jordan can

608
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 5: talk to him, because I'm like, if that's the case,

609
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's got some fun stories that might fit

610
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 5: for Jordan Sillers.

611
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I have a friend in law enforcement and

612
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: he has a heart. He generally has a hard time.

613
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: He generally has a hard time with wildlife crimes that

614
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: come to juris or wildlife crimes. Yeah, with judges where

615
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: a lot of them are like what now a deer?

616
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: Like what? Yep? Exactly, I've had to talk about a deer.

617
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, several conversations with prosecutors, county prosecutors who have known

618
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 5: through friends and family and stuff, who have eventually been like, hey,

619
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Speaker 5: can you tell me why when a game word brings

620
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 5: a case into our office that they are so serious

621
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: about it?

622
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: Because you're not.

623
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's like, well, by the they've done a

624
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: lot of work and they have to like cross this

625
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 5: line of like, Okay, this is consuming a lot of

626
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 5: resources and time, it is worth it, and so they

627
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 5: need it to be worth it to you or else

628
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 5: it's it's a giant waste of time. And they're picking

629
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 5: and choosing like what is going to make the biggest

630
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: impact and and and and that's why. And they know

631
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: that all these prosecutors are like, oh, here's some truly

632
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: gross human stuff drugs or trafficking or you know, you

633
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: name it. And they're like, and you're worried about a

634
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 5: white tail deer.

635
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 8: Right that the guy just shot it after dark?

636
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, but so he could have legally killed

637
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: it twenty minutes earlier. But but your works he killed it.

638
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. But then then at the same time, that's

639
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: the game wardens mandate. Yeah.

640
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: I think we should have like a version of a

641
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: military tribunal for wildlife violations.

642
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 5: And who would be on there just old game wardens.

643
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, like people who get it.

644
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: That's a good point, man, Yeah, like change the constitution

645
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: and stuff.

646
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, there's like a traffic court.

647
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a couple of other tweaks. Yeah, tweaks people

648
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: have been talking about in the Constitution. That might be

649
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: a good one, while like a little what do you

650
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: call when you add on to that sucker amendment?

651
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean a jury of your peers. For

652
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: a hunter to be tried by a bunch of non hunters,

653
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: I feel like it's not your peers.

654
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: More constitutional tourneys. The jury of your peers should be that. Yeah,

655
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: your peers. Well they might be like, well, I'm a poacher,

656
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 3: so my peers.

657
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: The other important in wildlife crime is there's no intent,

658
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 5: you know, like human crime, it's like, well, obviously they

659
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 5: were intending this because of their these previous actions and things,

660
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 5: and then your witnesses in the woods, don't they never

661
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 5: end up taking the stand right?

662
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's true because then you're The question with

663
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: wildlife crime too, is like, you know, they always get

664
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: into motive. Yeah, what was the motive? He wanted that

665
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: big old box. Yeah, he wanted a really big buck.

666
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: That's about that.

667
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what it was.

668
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 7: A couple of backstraps.

669
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 3: Uh, here's one. It's like, you can spend an hour

670
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: on this. I'd actually like to spend an hour on this.

671
00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: So in California. This is a complicated Two former ranch

672
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: properties were recently returned to the Tully River Indian Tribe.

673
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: The tribe's ancestral lands straddle the foothills of present day

674
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: Tulare County. Am I saying that right, Tulair County.

675
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 8: Yeah.

676
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: The land return was funded through the California Natural Resources Agency,

677
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: the agency's Tribal Nature based Solutions program. So there was

678
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: these ranches that were somehow under California control, and they

679
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: did a land back thing and granted the ranches to

680
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: the tribe. Because the ranches connect the tribal reservation lands

681
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: to public lands, to US Forest Service lands, they promptly

682
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: turn around and put a bunch of wildlife enhancement efforts

683
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: place and start uh to Leelkurd on their land. That's interesting.

684
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 5: Very much, So I will admit I didn't read that one,

685
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 5: but uh, you can.

686
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: Spend there's two huge elements here, the land back, the

687
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: land back movement. That'd be like Krin's not here. Well,

688
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: I think if Krin was here, I'd be telling he

689
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: she you know, she's here doing her job. I'm not hunting.

690
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: I wondered telling her about how we should do something

691
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 3: on land back.

692
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 5: Is it specifically land back or was it a scenario

693
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: where there were the state wanted to get rid of

694
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 5: this stuff for all the reasons states do and there

695
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: were several entities in the running. Or was this a

696
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 5: specific agreement with the tribe that had lasted forever.

697
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: That's what I don't know. So from San Francisco Gate

698
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: dot com, s F dot com, tuliuk a once again

699
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 3: roaming the Sierra Nevada Foothills southwest of Sequoia and Kings

700
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: Canyon National Parks after a historic land return that Governor

701
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is calling the largest of its kind in

702
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: the region's history. The seventeen thy thirty acres, made up

703
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: of two former ranch properties, were recently returned to the

704
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: Tuley River Indian tribe. Interesting The land return was funded

705
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: through the California Natural Resource Agencies Tribal Nature Based Solutions Program,

706
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: which partners with tribes across the state to place the

707
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: stewardship of ancestral land back in indigenous hands.

708
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely fits.

709
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: Have you on that language. Mm, so that's a subject

710
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: and then tule Elka is a subject. Neither of those

711
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: subjects we've really ever taken on the show. We're Karen

712
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: here doing her job. I would put that she'd put

713
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 3: that on her little for Phil.

714
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've already got it jotted.

715
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: Down here and it maybe put a sticky note where

716
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: she should be sitting right What your your but mate?

717
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: What you missed?

718
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 7: She said that you gave her a hall pass to

719
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 7: elk hunt today instead of coming to the podcast.

720
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 8: What was that conversation?

721
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 6: Like?

722
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: She texted me? And basically it was like what time yesterday?

723
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: It was basically like, are you a good person or

724
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: a bad person?

725
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 8: Yeah?

726
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: I suppose I could come back if I really needed to.

727
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 6: For the record, I could be hunting right now.

728
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 3: Do you follow me? I supposed to. Well.

729
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 7: When Karin sent out this invite, Cal's response was Krinn,

730
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 7: that is the best day of the mule. Dear rut, No,

731
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 7: it's not November twelve, begged to fight about it. It

732
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 7: is Col's birthday, So me, Randall and Corey will decide

733
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 7: which day is better? Which day is better?

734
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: Steve?

735
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 7: Sorry if he says November twelve, what's your answer?

736
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 3: Nineteen?

737
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 7: November nineteen.

738
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: Is that because that's when you specifically will be out

739
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: out and about and you're just trying to hype yourself.

740
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 3: I'm out in about when I think it's the best day.

741
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, chicken egg situation, here's a good one, Corey.

742
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 7: Which day is better Thanksgiving? Oh wow?

743
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: So the deer know what's a Thursday?

744
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 6: And nobody's out there, especially in the afternoon.

745
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: Three. It's like Wisconsin. Them the packers are playing dude

746
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: yourself on the neighbor's place. Used to be able to

747
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: till trail cameras, that's my understanding. I don't know what

748
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: the motive. That's what Wisconsin guys say, Like, prior to

749
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: trail cams, you could your neighbors, you could drive your

750
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: neighbors property during packers games. You never get caught. Now

751
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: you can get caught. This is what I've been told

752
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: about wisconsinights. It's a hot tip. So this guy was digging.

753
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: He was into the deep cuts. He's back listening to

754
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: episode seven seven seven. Oh no, what am I saying?

755
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: That's not a deep cut? He was listening to a

756
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: recent episode. He says, how we were talking about the

757
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: South Carolina d n r's use of the term still hunts.

758
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: Remember we talked about this random A guy wrote in

759
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: he moves to South Carolina and he's reading the South

760
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: Carolina rags and he sees that there's there, there's a

761
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: thing in the South Carolina deer egs where there's a

762
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: tight there's a distinction, a still hunt. He reads that

763
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: how most people in America would read it a still

764
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: hunt being very slowly, very quietly making your way through

765
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: prime deer country, not sitting still. So it's a misnomer.

766
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: But like, few steps stop and listen, few steps stop

767
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: and listen, that's called still honey. Why that's called still honey,

768
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 3: I don't know. It should be called slow walk hunting,

769
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: timber creeping, timber creeping, But still honey. If you go

770
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: get like old hunting books, any kind of hunting books, whatever,

771
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: that is still honting, slow deliberate travel, few steps, stop

772
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 3: and listen, few steps stop and listen, that's called still hunting.

773
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: If you're walking slightly faster and you're Doug Duran, it's

774
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 5: called a moon.

775
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes. Well, if there are people stand hunting nearby, you

776
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: could spend a long time explaining all these distinctions. Hey,

777
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: this guy moves to South Carolina and he's like, you

778
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: can only still hunt. He's looking at his rags. This

779
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: is still hunting. Season, He no joke, calls the Fishing

780
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: Game Agency to be like, why can't you hunt? Why

781
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: can't I sit in my tree stand? And they're like, no,

782
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: you idiot, still hunting here means hunting, not with dogs. Okay.

783
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: A guy writes in here's another one from South Carolina

784
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 3: that kind of like is tricky. You cannot possess any

785
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: deer with the head. Sorry, you may not. Okay. Here's

786
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: the rule. Possessing any deer with the head detached while

787
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: in transit from the point of kill is prohibited, meaning

788
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: if you're in South Carolina and you kill one, often

789
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: in a swamp, he realized he is not allowed to

790
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: part that deer out. You have to take the deer outthole.

791
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: You can't transport a deer, and he says, he's wondering,

792
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: what if I leave its head attached to like its

793
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: front arm by a flap of hide.

794
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 8: Yeah I don't.

795
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: Is that a weird one? Yeah, very cannot. You cannot

796
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: take a dearer part in the woods, and.

797
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 5: You would have to because there are you know, it's

798
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 5: very random, but there's doze that get little antlers and

799
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 5: your sale doesn't say you need to leave evidence of sex, right, right, Like,

800
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 5: in general, the head would be evidence of sex, but

801
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: not always.

802
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 6: That must be what they're referring to.

803
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but in Montana, evidence of sex doesn't count

804
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: the head. Back when it was the rule, they changed

805
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: the rule recently and Montana had to be you had

806
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: to leave evidence of sex attached. You could remove the genitals,

807
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: you can move the that, you could remove the mammories,

808
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: the packer, the vulb or whatever. It could all be removed.

809
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: You could have the head still attached. You could still

810
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: get a ticket.

811
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 7: M m.

812
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. They were like, the head doesn't tell us enough.

813
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: We need to see. I was one time getting.

814
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 5: Evidence of sex defined ass.

815
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: I was issued a warning. Shortly after moving to Montana.

816
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: I had a game ward and issue me a warning

817
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: and it was really nice, and get me a note

818
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: in case another game ward and try to get yell

819
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: at me for the same thing. Anyways, I'm like, put

820
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: the head's on it. He's like, man, doesn't cut it. Yeah,

821
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: doesn't cut it. You gotta leave the sexual organs attached.

822
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: He doesn't care about that. The head could be gone.

823
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: They just want the sexual organs. So in this case,

824
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: that's just a weird one to me. So this guy's

825
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: lived he's lived elsewhere then moved to South Carolina. So

826
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: the way he normally goes about things he can't go about.

827
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 4: The other interesting thing here is like, I know in Montana,

828
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: it defies says like or it maybe not in Montana,

829
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: but in somewhere you know, they say where you're going.

830
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 4: It's like from the point of kill until where it's processed,

831
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 4: or from point of kill until you get home or whatever.

832
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: This is just well in transit from the point of kill.

833
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: So could you take it to your buddy's house down

834
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: the road then cut the head off right and uh,

835
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: and then take it home right?

836
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 5: It's like it no longer from the point of kill.

837
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it just has a starting point for where

838
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: the head can't be attached, but it doesn't have the

839
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: end point.

840
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 8: What when can you detach the head.

841
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: Or drag it fifty yards right exact Ye, I'm gonna

842
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 4: drag it over there, take a long break.

843
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 8: It's attached to the head.

844
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 5: Steve, a buddy of mine, was also given a warning

845
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 5: for not leaving evidence of sex on a on a

846
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: dough that he killed from years ago. Yeah and uh,

847
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 5: And he had like a full on dispute at. This

848
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 5: is at a hunter's check station on the road because

849
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 5: he had left the memories and cut off the teats. Right,

850
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 5: I'd fully skinned.

851
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: The deer, left the memory.

852
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 5: Well, that was the the game warden was was in

853
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 5: the wrong on this one. And my buddy had a

854
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: biology degree and was like, he's like, I'm not accepting

855
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 5: a warning. He's like, you're wrong.

856
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 7: It's got to be the first time that's ever had.

857
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 5: He's like, this is evidence of sex. He's like, a

858
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 5: teat is a feature, mammory is a gland. It was like,

859
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: let's let's how much time do you.

860
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: Haring it on? Bring it on? I'm lawyered up. Some

861
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 3: years ago, Montana got a friend of mine joke that

862
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Montana got rid of all the rules that were the

863
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: most commonly broken rules. Where Montana ditched. They loosened wanton

864
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: waste restrictions yeap, so that you can just breast a

865
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: bird out, so you can just breast out game birds

866
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: and not have to do the legs. They got rid

867
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: of want, they got rid of evidence of sex.

868
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 8: I was attached.

869
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was supportive of the evidence of sex. Move

870
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 3: I was not supportive of the wanton waste loosening.

871
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can leave a bear carcass in the woods.

872
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: Now, can you really the whole damn thing?

873
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: Hm?

874
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: Wouldn't they do that?

875
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 6: You could just take the hide?

876
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: No way, No, that's when that happened.

877
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 6: Well, forever there was carcass and hide tags they didn't

878
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 6: give you. Now it's just one tag.

879
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: You can get to all the meat. Yeah, you don't

880
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: have no, no, no, that's not sure.

881
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 5: Well you don't have to attach a tag to any meat, don't.

882
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: I think there still want waste regulations on bears. Hold on,

883
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: looked that up.

884
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 7: That's got I'm not going to give out wrong information.

885
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 5: I really don't pay attention to that because I'm bringing

886
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 5: it all out anyway. When we were we were working

887
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 5: with Idaho Fishing Game to get their want waste laws updated,

888
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: and I was talking I was getting all the stakeholders together, right,

889
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 5: So I was talking to like Idaho houndsman and trappers

890
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: and everybody, and nine of the phone calls I made,

891
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 5: people would be like, wait, now you don't have to

892
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 5: take the meat.

893
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: Oh really? Yeah. It was just like.

894
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 5: It seemed like everybody who was really doing it was

895
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 5: taking the meat anyway, which was interesting and very good

896
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: to hear.

897
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I was king of the world, I'd make

898
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 3: really strict want sauce. There's there's hunting units in Alaska

899
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: where you're obligated to bring out like moose ribs and liver. Yeah,

900
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: on the bone. I don't know about liver currently, but

901
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: they had some the bone. Yeah, they had somewhere like

902
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: you couldn't in certain units you couldn't bone them. But

903
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 3: Alaska does extremes too, Like they have certain units where

904
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: you have to destroy the trophy value of a moose.

905
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: You have to draw a special tag to keep the antlers. Yeah,

906
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 3: if you're hunting it under under normal like registration rules,

907
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: you have to destroy. When we're hunting, was super interesting.

908
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: We're hunting this spring, hunting bears the spring. I found

909
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: first time in my life I found a moose. I

910
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: found a well, you know, you gotta saw. They show

911
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: you where you gotta cut through the you gotta cut

912
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: through the paddle. And I found a sawed through just

913
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: one portion. I found the outer extent, the outer portion

914
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: of a sawd through half of paddle. Could you then,

915
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: I didn't even know. That's a great question. I did not.

916
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: That's a great question. But I didn't even know I

917
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: was in one of those units. I'm like, oh my god,

918
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: I've never even seen one of these. But here's where

919
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: a guy killed one doing a registration hunt and had

920
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 3: to destroy the trophy value of the moose and there

921
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: was sowed and half.

922
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: That's amazing.

923
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was wild and a pain in the butt.

924
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 5: I was cutting. I made beautiful. One of the things

925
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 5: that really excites me about antelope rad is like they're

926
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 5: just so easy to deal with, and so I bring

927
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 5: bring everything, everything, and I was sawing through the spine

928
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 5: and making like, you know, like actual bone end. State

929
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 5: Cuts made these gorgeous little porterhouses this year, and what

930
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 5: I don't.

931
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: Know what that is. I know that it's like a

932
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: good thing to order, but I don't know what, Like,

933
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 3: what the hell is the porterhouse?

934
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 5: Well, the porterhouse? Is this the portion where the loin

935
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: and the tender loin are you know the loins on

936
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 5: top tender loins under the porterhouse? Yep, yep, So yeah,

937
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 5: one chunk.

938
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 8: No, I just I just knew that.

939
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 4: At Outback Steakhouse, DA used to call the porterhouse the

940
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 4: Melbourne and it was the biggest stick you could get.

941
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 3: A great trivia question for your ass.

942
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 7: I don't think so.

943
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 8: I don't think they call it the do we need to.

944
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 5: Go through the ones that are bad anyhow, and just

945
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 5: cutting through I mean a dinky little antelope. It is

946
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 5: like that was a lot of work with a handsaw.

947
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 5: And then man antlers are hard and cutting through a

948
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 5: moose antler would be a deterrent.

949
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: And the end of the butcher was bragging out to

950
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: me two days ago. No, wh wasn't she bragging up

951
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: to me? She was bragging out to me two days

952
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: ago about how fun her band saw is. That's the

953
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: word she used. Yeah, she says, it's a lot of fun.

954
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 5: It's a dream.

955
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: It's fun to have a band.

956
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 5: It's a dream. Yeah. Way back when, uh, when I

957
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: was running around with my old outfitter, we would in

958
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 5: the middle of the day go down and cut beef

959
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 5: in Stevensville at a buddy's butcher shop. And you'd always

960
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: end the day by going, Now, you know a job

961
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 5: you don't want to do. But yeah, running steaks through

962
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 5: that band saw is you get all that meat butterflying out?

963
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: It's great?

964
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 7: Corey, how's googling?

965
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: You're facing conflicting It would be conflicting theg Yeah, well

966
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 6: that's what I'm trying to look up because I knew

967
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 6: it was pretty reach.

968
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 5: The deer and elkregs, Like, I know, there's no longer

969
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 5: anything that mentions rib meat. But you said, what about

970
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 5: neck and shanks?

971
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: No, my understanding is no ribs, no neck, no shanks.

972
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 8: It's four quarters, tenderlining, backstrap.

973
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 7: I believe they say tender loin in there.

974
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 8: I believe.

975
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 7: So that's a funny one, Like you gotta take that well, I.

976
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: Mean just I have been around some people whose interpretation

977
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 5: of a front quarter.

978
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the quarter is.

979
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: Like, oh, you're you're leaving. You're basically just taking the

980
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 5: bones out, some fatty bone and some meaty, fatty bones

981
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 5: because they're cutting.

982
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 8: Oh they're cutting.

983
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 6: They take it down to the rib.

984
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 5: No, No, it's just it's a waste. I mean, it's

985
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 5: pure waste. This is the letter of the law and

986
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 5: that's all they care about. And I'm like, that's ridiculous.

987
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 7: Gay Moarten's got to know everything about everything, and like

988
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 7: not just at wildlife crime, but like how it goes.

989
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 7: If you pull over someone for d UI, there got

990
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 7: to be regular cops on top of it. Yep, be

991
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 7: tough stuff, and then and then you know someone asks them, like,

992
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 7: what's that bird over there? It's expected they know that

993
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 7: as well.

994
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: It's a huge skill set man, a lout of respect

995
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: for the occupation. And also it's like a lot of

996
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: those guys kind of come at it because they got

997
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: a love of hunting and stuff. And then you make

998
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: this commitment where you're just gonna work all through hunting

999
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 3: season and then go up to hunters and have people

1000
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: be like dismissive and rude. You got to do with

1001
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 3: that all the time.

1002
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 5: I'm always uh paster in our game wardens, and some

1003
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 5: of them are foolish enough to give me their cell

1004
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 5: phone numbers, so I'm always calling and text them and stuff.

1005
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 5: And I was talking to one last week and he's like, yeah,

1006
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 5: I confiscated my fifth animal of the season. And I

1007
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 5: didn't really pry, but he said most of those were

1008
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 5: all self turn in people who went, oh my god,

1009
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 5: shot a buck in the wrong unit, Oh my god,

1010
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 5: didn't you know, stuff like that.

1011
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 4: So I've got I've got some clarification here. The the

1012
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 4: Montana Annotated Code defines for game animals excluding mountain lions,

1013
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 4: so including black bears, all of the four quarters above

1014
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 4: the hawk, including loin and backstrap, are considered suitable for.

1015
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: Food above the howk okay, then you gotta do you

1016
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 3: gotta keep the shank.

1017
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 7: Mm hmmmm is it saying loin or backsdromp strap, loin

1018
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 7: and backstrap, So.

1019
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: They're calling the t loin the loin because the backstrap

1020
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: is the loin.

1021
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I regress apologies for saying that. I might

1022
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 6: have been wrong. Maybe it was thinking mountain lions.

1023
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 8: I didn't mean to interject so forcefully, but I didn't.

1024
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to say.

1025
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 7: Something dude, you know, but I like that no one

1026
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 7: knew the law because it's just implied that everyone was gonna,

1027
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 7: you know, take out. Why wouldn't you take all that?

1028
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 5: Oh man, like all those bird carcasses too. I'm always

1029
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 5: making stock and it's not like it's I had a

1030
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 5: fella tell me straight faced at the Pheasants Forever Quail

1031
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 5: Forever Annual get together, and you're right, what you assume

1032
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: is just full of bird hunters tell me straight faced

1033
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 5: about shooting sage grouse in Montana, and I was like,

1034
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, the thighs on sage grouse or something

1035
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 5: like the best meat ever. And he's like, Oh, we

1036
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 5: didn't take the legs. We didn't have enough room in

1037
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 5: the cooler.

1038
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 7: Come on, lunch pal.

1039
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 5: I don't know how to continue this conversation.

1040
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: I didn't meet this person, but a friend of there

1041
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: is a war. There's a trooper in Alaska. The game

1042
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: words of state troopers, like, there's a there's a state.

1043
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: There's a sort of a division of state troopers that

1044
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: handle wildlife, but they're within the state troopers. Someone tell

1045
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: me there's a there's a I know, I remember in

1046
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 3: the story. I don't remember where they worked, but they

1047
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: were a female state trooper who had a policy on

1048
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: the moose wanton waste. She would carry, as explained to me,

1049
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 3: gallon sized ziplocks. If she goes up to a moose

1050
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 3: carcass and she fills that gallon in size zip lock

1051
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: with good meat off the parts that need to be retained,

1052
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: that's her threshold interest, that's her personal threshold. When she

1053
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: gets a gallon sized bag of good meat, you screwed up.

1054
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 8: M wow.

1055
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: I like that.

1056
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, it feels it fast.

1057
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially on a moose.

1058
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were sloppy and you see you get

1059
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: that bag out on a moose. You're like, oh, let's

1060
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 3: just don't just don't waste time like I screwed up Saskatchewan.

1061
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: A Canadian wrote in, they kind of chastise us. Oh,

1062
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: since you have been targeting Canadian users with your on

1063
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 3: x ads, I figured perhaps you'd be interested to learn

1064
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 3: something about the challenges we have here.

1065
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 5: High and mighty, sitting way up north in the Rockies

1066
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: fair looking down on us.

1067
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I want to read this letter, but I

1068
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: want to read this letter as a way that's not

1069
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: going to deliver to her what she wants.

1070
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Saskatchewan now have on x okay. I thought

1071
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 7: they were saying you target them with your No, she's.

1072
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: Saying that that if you're in Canada, you get delivered.

1073
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know somehow, I don't know

1074
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: she's getting advertised. She just wants some Canadian coverage, just

1075
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: all okay. But she has the wrong idea about what

1076
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: goes on down here. She's writing in about this. In Saskatchewan,

1077
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: they have a fledgling elk curd, and they don't have

1078
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:34,959
Speaker 3: a well established widespread elkkurd in the Saskatchewan. It's bull only.

1079
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: There are some agricultural producers who are kind of pissed

1080
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: at the elk. So they're opening up a cow season,

1081
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: a seven day cow season. Since they don't do draws,

1082
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: it just becomes a general seven day cow season in

1083
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: some of these areas. She is saying, this has nothing

1084
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: to do with health of the elk, herd, carrying capacity,

1085
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: of the landscape distribution of elk. This is simply a

1086
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 3: small number of landowners being mad about elk grazing on

1087
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: their property. And she goes on to say, we often

1088
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: look down enviously at how wildlife is managed in the USA,

1089
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,959
Speaker 3: and I just want to say, Catlin, buddy, the city,

1090
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 3: the City on the Hill, were not. You did not.

1091
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: Canada did not invent depredation. It did not. Yeah, Canada

1092
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: did not invent the overpopulated as defined by a handful

1093
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 3: of agricultural producers. Yeah, that is a I would have said, boy,

1094
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: I sure wish I was, you know, or not. I

1095
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: don't wish that. I sure like it that Canadians don't

1096
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 3: do that, But sounds that we both have developed the

1097
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: same habits.

1098
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 7: On X announced in October twenty twenty four that they

1099
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 7: are now available in Canada, and they show a government lands.

1100
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 7: They should also show private lands, but not private land ownership.

1101
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 7: But good for Canadians. I was always under the impression

1102
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 7: they didn't have on X up there.

1103
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 8: They caught up with us.

1104
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 5: That's all you got.

1105
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 3: I'm happy for you.

1106
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 7: My hunting life would be so different without on X,

1107
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 7: and I can't it's you know, fathom not having on

1108
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 7: X until a year ago. It'd be way different.

1109
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: It would be different. You want to know how different?

1110
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: Can I tell you a little something. This happened to

1111
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: me last night? You think you're gonna think I'm making

1112
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: this up. On my bookshelves in my office at home,

1113
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 3: I still have all my Delorm gazzeteers. I mean I

1114
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: had my Delorm gazetteer collection was as wide as this laptop. Yeah.

1115
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: I pulled out my old, old for nostalgic purposes. I

1116
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: pulled out my old old Montana one from like the

1117
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: late nineties. I pulled that out because I used to

1118
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: like mark my I used to drop my pins, so

1119
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 3: to speak, by like drawing on that gazzet here. I

1120
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: pulled that out to put in my like keat like

1121
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: with my dad's war records and stuff like that, and

1122
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: took those and put them in a trash can and

1123
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: it felt naughty. But I'm like, but what are you

1124
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 3: gonna do with them? You know, like I haven't touched

1125
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 3: one of those things. I was like, Oh, you can't

1126
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: do that, Like what are you supposed to like? Storm?

1127
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 5: Like, then you die.

1128
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think you recycle. These are

1129
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: full of staples and your door. I don't think you

1130
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 3: recycled those. I think you can. It's got a glossy

1131
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: covered metal staples.

1132
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 5: Well inside the not everything. Oh do you have the

1133
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 5: fancy ones with the binder and the nat GEO ones that.

1134
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: Whatever, I'll put them out. It's not so much where

1135
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 3: I put them exactly, said, I got rid of them.

1136
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 3: But then here's the thing. If you save them, you're

1137
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: going to die. And the first thing your kids are

1138
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: going to do is throw them away.

1139
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 7: That's the right way to look at that.

1140
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 5: I had an interesting phone call over the weekend from

1141
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 5: a rancher. And you know, a lot of folks are

1142
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 5: reaching out with the announcement of the incoming CEO stuff,

1143
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 5: and so I don't want to violate and you trust here,

1144
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 5: but I got a heads up and said, like there

1145
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 5: was a recent landowner meeting with Montana Fish, wildlife and

1146
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 5: parks on and you should be interested to know that

1147
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 5: there's a renewed push largely by and he was in

1148
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 5: this meeting by folks who you would call recreational.

1149
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 8: Ranch amenity ranchers.

1150
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 5: To increase the number of land owners bull elk tags

1151
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 5: for the purposes of reducing the elk hurts. And I

1152
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that, you know, and it was

1153
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 5: doing a lot of driving over the weekend, and it

1154
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 5: kind of turns it ties into the Saskatchewan deal. But

1155
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 5: you know how cult leaders eventually get to the point

1156
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 5: where they're like, I had a vision, a dream, and

1157
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do everyone the favor of taking on the

1158
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 5: sexual burden so nobody else that you other men don't

1159
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 5: need to worry about it exactly exactly, nobody else has

1160
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 5: sex with the women except for me.

1161
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: I'll handle it, yeah, much as I don't like.

1162
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: To, So you don't. You no longer burden with what

1163
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 5: comes with that.

1164
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like, because I alone can handle that heavy exactly,

1165
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: And it's like, should that be the tactic? Here?

1166
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 5: Is like, thank you so much for taking on the

1167
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 5: burden of killing the bull elk, so the rest of

1168
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 5: us don't have to worry about that.

1169
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, what I like to have was I

1170
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: like to have hundreds of elk move on to my place.

1171
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 3: I don't want anyone to hunt them because it might

1172
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 3: scare him away, but it does cause a lot of damage.

1173
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: So I would like to be able to kill a

1174
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: huge bowl. He seems to be eating a lot.

1175
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 5: Cows.

1176
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: Whenever I look out there, there he is eating. I

1177
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: mean he's bigger, he probably eats more. I just want

1178
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 3: to get the big one that eats the most.

1179
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 4: His hoofs are bigger. Yeah, he's like he travels stuff

1180
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 4: horns get tangled in barbar.

1181
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: All right, Kel gives tell us a little bit about

1182
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: your your grizzly hunt.

1183
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 5: Boy, There is so much tell It was an amazing hunt.

1184
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 5: I had been out on the Alaskan Peninsula, you know,

1185
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 5: pretty darn close to where we were this time in

1186
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 5: twenty eleven as a packer, and that was a wild experience.

1187
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 5: And we kill the giant bear that trip. We killed

1188
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 5: two killed two out of three on that season twenty eleven.

1189
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: Did you already say that?

1190
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 8: Yep?

1191
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 5: So, I mean a long long time ago now, right,

1192
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 5: But it was an extremely memorable experience because all the

1193
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 5: things that people talk about on the peninsula like crazy

1194
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 5: severe weather and very challenging and some some suffering, mostly mental.

1195
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 5: And we killed this giant brown bear and it is

1196
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 5: one of those things that I referenced because it's like

1197
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 5: we killed it a what I would call like a

1198
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 5: high school athlete, like senior high school athlete type of

1199
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 5: it's mature, but it's just getting started grizzly bear. And

1200
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 5: then we killed the like old NFL pro going downhill

1201
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 5: fast grizzly bears trying to get one more contract. And

1202
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 5: the skull in comparison, right is like oh species, subspecies

1203
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 5: really like it is just a dinosaur thing. And that

1204
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 5: was just very very impressive to me. And then also

1205
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,480
Speaker 5: the physicality that it takes to move through that landscape

1206
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 5: fast with the muskeg and the brush and then carry

1207
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 5: out you know what is almost always a big wet

1208
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 5: hide is hard, really hard, you know.

1209
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: And duncan Gil Chris's book All about Bears, which is

1210
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 3: true classic. He mentioned some bears being so big. Have

1211
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 3: you ever seen this, some bears being so big that

1212
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 3: they cut them at the waist and haul it out.

1213
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: In two pieces?

1214
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 5: Yes, what don't you feel weird doing it, very weird,

1215
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 5: And have you seen that. I've never seen it, but

1216
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 5: it's always talked about.

1217
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 7: You feel like we've seen Klay Nukeomb maybe do that

1218
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 7: very weird.

1219
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hell's here that he needs to do that.

1220
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 7: I don't know. That's that sounded familiar to me that if.

1221
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: He's doing he's just doing it to dramatic. It's like

1222
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 3: when he shoots, it.

1223
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 5: Should be a big deal because a taxidermist is going

1224
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 5: to be sewing that thing up no matter what you

1225
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 5: do with it. But at the same time, it's a

1226
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 5: really big deal.

1227
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 3: I've thought of it. If I needed to do it,

1228
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 3: I would. It would just feel very like really.

1229
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're cut in half. Yeah, yeah, and the conditions

1230
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 5: up there like there it's there's always moisture, even on

1231
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 5: bluebird days, and the bluebird days may not even come

1232
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 5: during that season.

1233
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 3: What's one of those hides? Way?

1234
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 5: God, what was the kind of going estimate? Is like

1235
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 5: you're you're going to be in like with the skull

1236
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 5: and the hide and you know it's still got fat

1237
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 5: on and stuff because you're not fleshing it at the scene.

1238
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 3: Of the Yeah, paws intact yep.

1239
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 5: But it's going to be somewhere in that one hundred

1240
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 5: and fifty pound good god Man range and then through

1241
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 5: all that brush and everything. Yeah, and then it can

1242
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 5: it can definitely go heavier.

1243
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 3: Huh. Hence the cut in half.

1244
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was in mind. It's a very expensive trip,

1245
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 5: so I was like, well, one day I'll get back here.

1246
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 5: But I never thought i'd get back there to actually hunt.

1247
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1248
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 5: I figured out I want to go be a packer

1249
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 5: again or guide or something.

1250
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: And and so.

1251
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, we got to do this trip, which was crazy,

1252
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 5: huge opportunity, once in a lifetime trip, and I was

1253
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 5: very like I just really wanted to maximize it. And

1254
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 5: the two guides. We had two guides instead of a

1255
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 5: guide and a packer the because it's a new area

1256
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 5: for for this outfit and they wanted to get people

1257
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 5: more experience on the ground, so we had two guides

1258
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 5: and and you know, we just kind of had a

1259
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 5: talk of like, hey, I know oftentimes people aren't like

1260
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 5: physically or mentally prepared for what this trip can be.

1261
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 5: Like trust trust me, like my crew, like we're ready

1262
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 5: to go. We can suffer. We got the mindset to

1263
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 5: be here and if we got to jog across muskeg

1264
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 5: and swamp and through brush and stuff to get it done.

1265
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 3: We can do it.

1266
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 5: And you know, it's kind of like you build up

1267
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 5: that trust with your brand new friends for the week, right,

1268
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 5: is a big part of the guidance game. And and

1269
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 5: I really wanted. I was like, I want a respectable

1270
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 5: bear with my bow first and foremost, and if I

1271
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 5: got to get one with a rifle, I want that

1272
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 5: big giant bear if they're around. And and we got

1273
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 5: in there two days early, which they really encourage, right,

1274
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 5: because the travel you never know when a travel day

1275
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 5: you're actually going to be able to fly.

1276
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like two day's earlier or potentially a week late

1277
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: exactly because the storm comes in.

1278
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the the spots out there, like it's it's

1279
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 5: pretty rare to have like an area unless you're right

1280
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 5: on the beach at low tide where you can get

1281
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 5: a bigger plane in. So it's all super cub which

1282
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 5: you know, they're just limited in what they can carry

1283
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 5: and and wind and conditions and stuff like that. So

1284
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 5: everything was awesome. We came in on a beautiful blue

1285
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: bird day. I'm making the story way longer. We got

1286
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 5: got to see all the weather and suffer for a

1287
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 5: few days, and saw some big giant bears. I think

1288
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 5: three ultimately one was in like that like super big

1289
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 5: giant bear category, and then two were in like the

1290
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,919
Speaker 5: big giant bear category.

1291
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 3: One was the outgoing NFL guy exactly.

1292
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, yeah, and we I mean we got to

1293
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 5: see him at spotted him opening morning of the hunt.

1294
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 5: So the third day that we're there, it's just barely

1295
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 5: getting light. I look across one of the rivers and

1296
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 5: here's this bear like curled up in a bed, but

1297
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 5: look in our direction and you just see like the

1298
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 5: big dish face kind of lion Maine from that profile

1299
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 5: shot or not profile head on shot. And I was like, well,

1300
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 5: look at that bear, and everybody got real excited. I

1301
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 5: was like, well, we got to make a decision quick,

1302
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, And then ultimately went in there. The bear

1303
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 5: had gone into the brush already. Seeing them is one thing.

1304
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 5: Catching up with them another thing, Like you can't really

1305
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 5: catch up to a bear that's on a destination type walk.

1306
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're on a coastal plain. You're like, yeah,

1307
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 3: like river estuaries coming out through willow flats and all their.

1308
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 5: Flats yep, yeah, and the stuff that you think is

1309
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 5: like looks like a hayfield is a marsh.

1310
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the couple players are you're flying over, You're like,

1311
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk over there. I'm gonna walk over there

1312
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: and walk over there. And you land, You're like, man,

1313
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 3: you're walking anywhere. Yeah, you're not walking anywhere.

1314
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had told you this. But like one of

1315
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 5: the most fun things is it's ultra brushy for the

1316
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 5: bears too, So they are constantly standing up on their

1317
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 5: hind feet and looking around, and I'm like prairie dogs

1318
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 5: and brown bears, So I'm like, who would have thought?

1319
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 5: Who would have thought? The similarities because they're just constantly

1320
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 5: being like, well, I better get a better look. And

1321
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 5: so it's just like dead flat, you know, is what

1322
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 5: the I relief says. And then all of a sudden, it's.

1323
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 3: Like, oh, he's standing there.

1324
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, bears standing there. And then it drops on all

1325
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 5: fours and it's just totally gone to exist. Yeah, and

1326
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 5: they're falling all these little creeks side channels that have

1327
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 5: salmon still spawning up in them, so permanent snowfields behind us,

1328
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 5: Pacific Ocean out in front of us, Like I mean

1329
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 5: it's amazing. It's amazing ducks everywhere.

1330
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 3: Man.

1331
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 5: I was thinking about how the duck hunting was going

1332
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 5: here because there were so many mallards green heads still

1333
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 5: out there on the peninsula. Know what the problem is though,

1334
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 5: Pacific Flyway.

1335
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 3: They're eating salmon eggs.

1336
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I had no idea.

1337
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it's like eating a sea monster.

1338
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 2: Man.

1339
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 5: But I was just like, boy, there's a lot of green,

1340
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 5: like full plumage mallards here, which means like the folks

1341
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 5: in the Pacific Flyway probably aren't shooting a bunch of

1342
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 5: mallards right now. Was my thought.

1343
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 7: Are the salmon eggs like their diet or like a

1344
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 7: part of their diet?

1345
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 3: Open that stuff, man, I'm not saying all, but even

1346
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 3: geese too. They eat a lot of up there to

1347
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 3: eat a lot of invertebrates, and you eat a lot

1348
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 3: of washed out salmon eggs, so you'll get their crop.

1349
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 3: We'll have salmon eggs in it. It just tastes like again,

1350
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: it's rugged, it's rugging. I got a bite that grew

1351
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 3: up in Southeast Alaska and he said, you know, they tried,

1352
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 3: tried eventually, just he said, you just don't eventually like

1353
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 3: you just didn't look at the ducks as like a

1354
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: game bird because you just couldn't get through them. And

1355
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: I've had the same thing every time you eat one

1356
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 3: of those saltwater estuary in that area Salmon stream ducks.

1357
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 3: It's like when you go there in September and they're

1358
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 3: all hanging out the mouth of the stream. Yeah, they're

1359
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 3: not there on accident.

1360
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 7: I'm surprised that works its way out of their system

1361
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,560
Speaker 7: by the time they get to us. If it's like

1362
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 7: that pungent, Yeah, I.

1363
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 3: Think they burned through it quick. I don't know anyhow

1364
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 3: ducks you saw them check.

1365
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 5: And there were wolves on the airstrip when we flew in, really,

1366
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 5: which I immediately was like, well, we're not going to

1367
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 5: shoot a wolf this trip. I would have been my

1368
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 5: percentage wise. I'm like, if they weren't, that was my opportunity.

1369
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: I couldn't take it. Yeah.

1370
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, And we didn't see any wolves. We did a

1371
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 5: lot of wolf howling after after we got got the bear,

1372
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 5: but got one really legit perfect stock in with the

1373
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 5: bow on a big sal and it was one of

1374
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 5: those things where you're like, oh, that's probably a sow

1375
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 5: and but it's a mature bear, no cubs. We got

1376
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 5: to watch her for miles and eventually she came like

1377
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 5: right into the airstrip and decided to take a nap.

1378
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 3: Is there such a thing as w NFL.

1379
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 5: No, Well, you could say, like a women's rugby player

1380
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 5: there you go, yeah, job, serious athletes, and they're like, man,

1381
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 5: that's it's not a bear. I'd tell you to kill

1382
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 5: one day, two or three, I can't remember what it was,

1383
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 5: but I was just like, guys, this is as close

1384
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 5: to a bird in the hand situation, and I have

1385
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 5: a bow, like I want to, we gotta go try.

1386
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 5: And so that would just worked out magically, that sal

1387
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 5: because it's like the myth of the dry sow. You

1388
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 5: never know if they are. But this looked like an

1389
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 5: old bear and she had no cubs, so math is

1390
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 5: kind of like she's too old to just be a

1391
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 5: bad mom probably and lose the cubs. And it's not

1392
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 5: like kicking cub out season type of thing. So anyway,

1393
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 5: pretty sure it was a dry sow, and very sure

1394
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 5: it was an older bear. And then when we got

1395
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 5: down there, got off the glass and knob, she started

1396
01:18:55,720 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 5: working her way towards us into the wind and we

1397
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 5: and that was one of the funny things, is like

1398
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 5: the wind was absolutely dead wrong from the glass and knob,

1399
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 5: but we had put ribbons out on the landing strip

1400
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 5: so you could see so the pilots could see the

1401
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 5: wind direction and people on the ground could call wind

1402
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 5: for the guys flying the supercubs. So you'd glass down

1403
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 5: at the ribbons and you're like, well, it's doing that

1404
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 5: down there, which was awesome.

1405
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 3: But man.

1406
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got on the ground and I'm looking through

1407
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 5: this clump of willow out in this like nice kind

1408
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 5: of hummock of pretty hard tundra, and I'm like, oh,

1409
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 5: she's coming right right to us. And part of me

1410
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 5: thinks that she caught a whiff of us and was

1411
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 5: kind of curious because she like, you know, you were like, well,

1412
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 5: they didn't read the script. This one like read the

1413
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 5: script and was like, oh, I'm supposed to arbitrarily pick

1414
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 5: this bush where three dudes are hiding and go walk

1415
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 5: past it. And I'm like, oh holy, and they walk

1416
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 5: so fast it's deceiving right. I'm like, oh my god,

1417
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 5: this is really happening. So I range something. I jam

1418
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 5: my binoculars back and my chest back. I kind of

1419
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 5: look over my shoulder and I look and this bear's

1420
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, she's going to walk at twenty yards twenty

1421
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 5: five at the furthest perfectly broadside. And about the time

1422
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: I think that, she just stands straight up and looks

1423
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 5: over the top of the bush at us and then

1424
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 5: drops down and spins and walks out of oh man,

1425
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 5: And I was I had enough time to be like, well,

1426
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 5: I don't really want to shoot her in the chest

1427
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 5: because I want lungs. Just kind of playing the math game.

1428
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 5: And I'm just like not comfortable with like where that

1429
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 5: heart is right there?

1430
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: Is that not a good shot for archery.

1431
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a good shot. Like there's a

1432
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 5: lot of cavity there that.

1433
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 3: I'm standing up. I just feel like everything's on full display. Man,

1434
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 3: I know. And you're gonna have good blood because the

1435
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 3: hole is gonna be in the bottom.

1436
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 5: The holes in the bottom.

1437
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 7: And they make a lot of three D targets.

1438
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 5: They make a targets.

1439
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 3: Because that appeals to a certain human.

1440
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 5: Well here's something fun. I never hit those. That's what

1441
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 5: made that so. When I was at the Shields Archery

1442
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 5: University in South Dakota this year, we have that stupid target.

1443
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 5: I didn't hit it. I mean I hit it, I

1444
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 5: just didn'thit it where I was supposed to. So anyway

1445
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 5: was what you were after. But it was enough of

1446
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 5: a like she stood up and I looked at her

1447
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 5: and you could just see the scars on her face,

1448
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 5: and that was just an amazing thing. And she turns

1449
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 5: around and everybody's like, whoa, whoa. That was a hell

1450
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 5: of an experience. And she gets out there to sixty

1451
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 5: yards and I'm like trying to like mouse squeal at her, like.

1452
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 3: Trying to make kiss yes and trying to like get.

1453
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 5: Her to stop. And she stops at sixty and like

1454
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 5: looks back at us and just does this full mouth,

1455
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 5: sleepy ass yawn tongue all the way out and then

1456
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 5: turns and just cruises on. I was like, well, it

1457
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 5: wasn't a heart thumping moment for her, obviously, so uh,

1458
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 5: but that was just super cool.

1459
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: She didn't think it was super cool to see you guys.

1460
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 5: Like her. Her pulse didn't quicken. She's just like sit,

1461
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 5: stood up, looked over the top. So that was cool.

1462
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 5: And then yeah, we just got like pummeled with rain

1463
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 5: and wind and we were underneath the tart for like

1464
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 5: thirteen hours, and right at dark, the it like light

1465
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 5: lightens up a little bit, so it's like misty rain

1466
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 5: instead of like full on nasty ran birds start blowing

1467
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 5: up in the side channel where we had seen the

1468
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 5: big bear opening morning.

1469
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: That tells you one stern in there.

1470
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, yep. Like so the seagulls start.

1471
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 3: Is it the bears spooking the goals or the goals

1472
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 3: follow the bear.

1473
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 5: I think it's the goals are because at this point

1474
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 5: you could tell from all the salmon carcasses they're not

1475
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 5: eating fish. They're eating the brain and they're ripping out the.

1476
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: So the birds hang out to get the all the

1477
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 3: eggs that.

1478
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 5: Are flying around, and when you're walking on those streams,

1479
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 5: you know, it just smells like ultra death rancid and

1480
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 5: there's eggs everywhere, and.

1481
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 3: That's a very hard smell to be around for days. Oni.

1482
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, they just go for the brain.

1483
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 5: So early in the season, when the fish start coming in,

1484
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 5: they'll eat the whole fish. And then as the land

1485
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 5: of plenty occurs, they're like laying on the bank, like

1486
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 5: snagging the ones that they want as they come by,

1487
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 5: and they're they're searching out these zones. We saw some

1488
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 5: amazing bear fishing activity, but they're searching out these zones

1489
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 5: where it's like the easiest possible things like the side

1490
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 5: channels where the fish are going through skinny water.

1491
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: And I've seen black bears duke it out over who

1492
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 3: gets to be in the sweet spot and aligne form

1493
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: a line form where like you come out, they take

1494
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 3: their turn, the big mean one gets what it's after,

1495
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 3: and then the next guy runs out to try to

1496
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 3: get a minute in the spot.

1497
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I was like, well, this isn't

1498
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 5: a good idea because we're going to be in a

1499
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 5: situation where we don't like get to judge like it's

1500
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 5: it's gonna be really quick if it happens. It's it's

1501
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 5: getting dark, it's foggy. I grabbed the rifle and we

1502
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 5: trucked out out there, because you also just want to

1503
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 5: move and do something at the end of thirteen hours

1504
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 5: in the rain underneath the tire preak. Yeah, and everybody did.

1505
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 5: So we go out there, stand on this gravel bar.

1506
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 5: It's like a fifteen minute walk from camp, and we're

1507
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 5: looking and immediately you're like, yeah, we're not gonna be

1508
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 5: able to see anything like two hundred yards. It's like

1509
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 5: foggy and stuff in that side channel. And again like

1510
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 5: I want to, like, if I'm gonna shoot it with

1511
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 5: the rifle, I want to be a big ass bear.

1512
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 5: And I'm like, we kind of do a little wrap

1513
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 5: up scene and I'm like, all right this, and then

1514
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 5: let's go go back to the shack and we take

1515
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 5: like five steps and then all this crashing and water splashing,

1516
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 5: and here comes this cow moose charging across the river

1517
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 5: right in front of us, stops at forty yards. She's

1518
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 5: huffing and puffing and blowing and her eyeballs are crazy,

1519
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 5: and her head's on a swivel, and she sees us

1520
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 5: and she's panicked, and then trucks back across the river.

1521
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 5: And the guy's like she's getting chased by a bear, Like, ah, yeah, maybe,

1522
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 5: And so I kind of recount that to dirt Meth.

1523
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 5: Garrett Smith's around the camera. I'm like, hey, this is

1524
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 5: what happened. And now we're we're really heading back and

1525
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 5: then splashing and crashing, and I look and here comes

1526
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 5: this brown bear trucking across the river. And so at

1527
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 5: this point I got around in the chamber and both

1528
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 5: guides are there too, right, like, there's a three seventy

1529
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 5: five here and a three seventy five on both my shoulders.

1530
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 5: Garrett's behind us. The bear comes ripping across the river,

1531
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 5: same deer deal, crashing and water flying, and it hits

1532
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 5: that spot where the cow moose was standing. And at

1533
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 5: this point, Kyle on my right hand side is going,

1534
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 5: it's your call, it's your call, it's your call. And

1535
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, like this isn't like the bear I

1536
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 5: want with a rifle. And I'm like, I'm ready in

1537
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 5: case things get crazy serious, but I mean it is realistically,

1538
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 5: it's plenty serious. It's forty yards like they can move fast,

1539
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 5: you know. And that bear kind of like drops its

1540
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 5: shoulder and turns its head, and Brando on my left goes, you.

1541
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 3: Better shoot every barth.

1542
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like.

1543
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 5: God, and I shoot and the bear dives into the brush.

1544
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 5: Kyle shoots one more time, and now I'm like, okay,

1545
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 5: now we got a situation on our hands. Like I

1546
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 5: know I thumped this bear. I'm pretty sure Kyle got

1547
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,560
Speaker 5: another shot in there too, But it's in this like

1548
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 5: now it's dark and it is in this just dripping

1549
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 5: wet alder hell hell hole. But we heard a death

1550
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 5: mone right then too. But I mean it's fifteen twenty

1551
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 5: yards type of distance, and your headlamp is very necessary

1552
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 5: but at the same time as just like reflecting light

1553
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 5: back at you. So you're kind of like doing this.

1554
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 3: Like thing that moisture.

1555
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you got your guns out right, and it

1556
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 5: is like it's foggy and crappy and the whole thing.

1557
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, guys, it's like, got guns, it's dark,

1558
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 5: got a bear in here, Like what's our plan? And

1559
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 5: we start easing into this thing and blood trailing and

1560
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 5: I can tell Garrett Smith's having no fun at all.

1561
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 3: That made Dirt nervous.

1562
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 5: He told me, he goes cal I was scared. It's like, okay,

1563
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 5: good to know. And and then yeah, here's this bear

1564
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 5: piled up in there and dead dead yeah, which was

1565
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 5: which was great, but it was you know, like it's

1566
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 5: in a just a total willow hole and h then

1567
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 5: you're thinking about all the other bears around, because we

1568
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 5: had seen so many bears that it's not like this

1569
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 5: is the one. Well, that day that we flew in

1570
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 5: was the first break in the weather in like the

1571
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 5: entire peninsula season, including moose. And you know, I had

1572
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 5: friends up there too, like Adam and Brenda Weatherby were

1573
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 5: up there and they had a horrific time weather wise

1574
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 5: for moose season which just ended, and then brown bear

1575
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 5: season starts and there's a little gap in between. And

1576
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 5: so this was like the first nice day and we

1577
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 5: probably saw thirty bears and I would say probably like

1578
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 5: seventeen ish unique bears, Like there were a lot of

1579
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 5: cow soals and cubs running around that day.

1580
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 3: But like.

1581
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 5: You very fast got the impression like, oh my god,

1582
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 5: this is a high density bear situation, right, because they're

1583
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 5: not spread out, because the the salmon spawning activity happens

1584
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 5: like in a relatively small area, and the river and

1585
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 5: the creeks really aren't that long, right. It's like you

1586
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 5: can see the glacial snow situation up here, and the

1587
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 5: Pacific's right here. It's like you can hike to the

1588
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 5: head the very headwater in a hard day, you know,

1589
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 5: from from the ocean. So it's a pretty concentrated situe compressed. Yeah,

1590
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 5: So you know, I I really think safety wise, like

1591
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 5: totally made the right call. You don't get that much

1592
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 5: time to decide and things can change right away. But

1593
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 5: as I said, I was like, there's no such thing

1594
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 5: as almost getting charged. So I don't want anybody saying

1595
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 5: we almost got charged. It's like he almost you do

1596
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 5: or you don't. That's that's all.

1597
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 3: That's all unless you interview the bear.

1598
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 5: You can interview the bear. And he was like, oh,

1599
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 5: I was coming after.

1600
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 3: Your ass changed my mind at the last minute, almost

1601
01:30:58,800 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 3: charged you.

1602
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, But it's not like that big giant

1603
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 5: bear that was like the ultimate goal or the or

1604
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 5: the bear with the bow. But it is a totally

1605
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 5: badass animal and and very very appreciative of the experience

1606
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 5: and and everything. And and I did some cooking in

1607
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 5: camp for those guys, and you know, big stigma around

1608
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 5: those bears. The meat, I thought the meat was very good.

1609
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 5: The context really does matter, like meat in camp, when

1610
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 5: everybody is just coated in grizzly bear fat that smells

1611
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 5: like fish, and then the the clean error outside of

1612
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 5: you and the human stank and the bear stank is

1613
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 5: decaying fish and just general decay. It's called the miasma

1614
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 5: kind of kind of taints your taste buds.

1615
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 3: Everything tastes like a rotten fish.

1616
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but I think the I think the bear

1617
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 5: is good. The bear is good. And I cleaned up

1618
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 5: all that meat when I got at home.

1619
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 3: Can you can you give me a chunk of the meat.

1620
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1621
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I got a brisket and front shoulder

1622
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 5: and a hind quarter and then we left.

1623
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 8: And the tongue and a tongue, yeah, I'll pass on that.

1624
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 3: I just want the meat. I just want to try

1625
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 3: the meat.

1626
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 5: It's a different type of tongue too.

1627
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 8: You can imatin.

1628
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 5: It's like a it's like a big dog tongue.

1629
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 3: I'm like a want yeah, yeah, you.

1630
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 7: Do want to over ask take his one tongue.

1631
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 3: I just want a nice little I want like like

1632
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 3: a just I want to have the fishy bears. I

1633
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 3: want to have the like fall fish bear, brown bear

1634
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 3: chunk of meat, not an odd ball cutting right. Yeah,

1635
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't want.

1636
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 5: I will tell you that the difference between the spring bears,

1637
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 5: the two that I've been around for the hiding and fleshing,

1638
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 5: and this fall bear is like it would have taken

1639
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 5: like some fortitude to be like, Okay, I'm gonna cut

1640
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 5: off some big chunks of meat off this spring bear

1641
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 5: and cook it and eat it because it's a totally

1642
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 5: different animal. Like what I saw and on that spring

1643
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 5: hunt is like they're they're emaciated. That fat is not white,

1644
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 5: it's like yellow and kind of hard, and they and

1645
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 5: the smell is way way more just generally rancid. It's

1646
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 5: like an ultra concentrated rotten fish. And then the the

1647
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 5: freshnet like immediately like you're looking at the fat, You're like, oh,

1648
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 5: that's beautiful. You look the meat, You're like, the meat

1649
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 5: is beautiful, and then you just kind of have like

1650
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 5: this different smell to deal with. Ye I made, you know,

1651
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 5: it's like that guard piece of meat. But I'm sure

1652
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 5: it has a real name on the front shoulder that

1653
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 5: you know, he typically just throwing the grind pile. When

1654
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 5: I was cleaning that up back here, I just took

1655
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 5: that and sliced it real thin and made a stir fry,

1656
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 5: and I thought it was like fantastic. Really, I did

1657
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 5: not put fish sauce in my in my sturfry, and

1658
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 5: he just kind of like, you know, just a preemptive step.

1659
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 5: But I thought, yeah, fantastic, And I fed it to

1660
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 5: folks at the at the Baja office, and I will

1661
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 5: tell you like people were like, Oh, that's great, and

1662
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 5: then some people were like, I would like the Sturfry

1663
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 5: sauce recipe, not the grizzly bear recipe. So yeah, hell

1664
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 5: of a trip, hell of a trip.

1665
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:48,560
Speaker 3: Kind of jealous of that?

1666
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 5: You should be? You should be, I mean, but it

1667
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 5: is definitely just not Jason Rarick was on that trip, right,

1668
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 5: so he doesn't do a lot of those types of adventures.

1669
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 5: And and I are going to do a little recap

1670
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 5: podcast on that because I really want his two cents.

1671
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1672
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 5: It's just like not a recreational spot, right, Like even

1673
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 5: the Alaska Natives and the Alaskans, they don't like go

1674
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 5: out there just to hang out. It's like a purpose

1675
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 5: driven destination, you know. So it it like it's a

1676
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 5: harsh environment. Yeah, yeah, thanks for the report. Yeah, it

1677
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 5: turned out longer than I thought it would be, but

1678
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 5: it's great.

1679
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 3: I didn't tell you guys about did I did? I

1680
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 3: Were we recording when I tease the Tony Peters some

1681
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 3: white tailed deer thing?

1682
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 8: No, but you asked us to ask you about it?

1683
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 3: Oh can you ask me?

1684
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the thing you said about you were

1685
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 4: going to say earlier about Tony Peterson, but then didn't say.

1686
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 5: Said ask me about talking?

1687
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 8: Does he not care about Well?

1688
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,759
Speaker 3: No, I've hunted white tales with Tony Peterson two times now, Okay,

1689
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 3: I hunted public ground in Oklahoma with Tony Peterson, and

1690
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 3: I hunted private ground in Nebraska with Tony Peterson. Tony

1691
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 3: Peterson has an amazing ability to determine where a buck

1692
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 3: is gonna step hmm, meaning the kind of what I

1693
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 3: picked up fro him. The difference from when I was

1694
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: a kid bow hunting white tails of Michigan before I

1695
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 3: moved away. You would like we would optimize growing up.

1696
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 3: You would optimize for like, where would I be to

1697
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 3: see a lot of deer activity? Because if I'm seeing

1698
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 3: a lot of deer activity, then it seems to me

1699
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 3: like there's a greater chance that one will come by. Right.

1700
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 3: That dude sets up to have with one objective in mind.

1701
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 3: It's where will you have a buck twenty yards away broadside?

1702
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 3: Nothing else matters. He will set you up where you

1703
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 3: can't see a patch or ground bigger than that muskox hide.

1704
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 3: But he is like a buck will come and stand

1705
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: in front of that muskox hide, and they do, and

1706
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 3: they do It's like he has got a phenomenal sense

1707
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 3: of like, you know, wind whatever, how they're gonna travel,

1708
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 3: when they're gonna travel, where they're gonna come from, they're

1709
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 3: gonna come from the right, whatever. It just it's like

1710
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 3: it's kind of uncanny, just and it's it's like it's myopic.

1711
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 3: You know, it's where where where will he be? Twenty

1712
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 3: yards away broadside.

1713
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 7: My elevator pitch for Tony. I've worked with dozens of

1714
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 7: like professional, really good whitetail hunters. I've interviewed hundreds of

1715
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,080
Speaker 7: them from working at outdoor magazines and hosting Wired to

1716
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 7: Hunt r redfresh Tony is the best public land bowhunter

1717
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 7: I've ever met. I just like, don't think there's many

1718
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 7: people better than him on the continent. It's like special

1719
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 7: what he can do when you know, starting at e

1720
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 7: scouting and then showing up there in person and just

1721
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 7: killing a buck. You know, very few people can do

1722
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 7: it like him.

1723
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I kind of like I start to kind

1724
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 3: of see, like I kind of get what he's looking at.

1725
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 3: We're hunting my neighbor, and my neighbor even said to

1726
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 3: me after he goes, man, what do you like? What

1727
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 3: what would we have done? What do you think would

1728
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 3: have happened with? What would we have done? I said,

1729
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, we would like I don't hunted scrapes,

1730
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 3: but I know whatever, like a lot of tracks here, yeah,

1731
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,560
Speaker 3: or probably would been like yeah, sit here because you

1732
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 3: can see what's going on or whatever. It's just it's funny.

1733
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 3: He just like doesn't care about anything other than like

1734
01:38:56,040 --> 01:39:00,640
Speaker 3: where is the spot where the buck And then the

1735
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 3: other thing he's just dogmatic about is he's got his

1736
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 3: north wind spots, his south wind spots, his east wind spots,

1737
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 3: his western spots, his southeast wind spots, and there's in

1738
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 3: that that is determinative. H Like, there is no you,

1739
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 3: there's no room in his mind for like wishful thinking

1740
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 3: like well, you know the wind's not great, but you know,

1741
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 3: you get into that little child like you know where

1742
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 3: you want, you know where you want to be so

1743
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 3: bad marginal wind and then the winds like kind of off.

1744
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 3: But some part you're like, well the wind's bad, but

1745
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 3: it's not so bad that it doesn't like make up

1746
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 3: for the good. It's just done. Yeah, you don't even

1747
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 3: talk about that spot. You don't talk about that spot

1748
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 3: unless the wind is absolutely perfect for that spot. You

1749
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 3: don't even look at it on the map. It's not

1750
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 3: an option.

1751
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 5: Back when I was in my Archriol Guidan days, I

1752
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 5: would have a talk with with my guests my clients

1753
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 5: on setting up in spots. You don't want to set

1754
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 5: up in a spot where you can view nature, because

1755
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 5: but I kind of do, because you is to kill nature.

1756
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 5: Like you need to set up in a spot where

1757
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 5: you're going to kill nature, not view nature.

1758
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 7: That's the thing you have to like fight when you

1759
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 7: are deciding where to sit.

1760
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 3: And I would curse him. I'd get up because he

1761
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 3: had gone to set stands and I get there, like,

1762
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's such a Tony Peterson spot. Like

1763
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 3: you can't see a thing. You can't see a thing,

1764
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 3: and you better be ready. Yeah, you see it going.

1765
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 7: Something those guys have in common is like they haunt

1766
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 7: a lot of spots that are top pinned territory. Were like,

1767
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 7: you know, you wouldn't there's no scenario where you'd need

1768
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 7: to look at your second pin.

1769
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 3: On the bow. Oh yeah, he's not talking about sneaking

1770
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 3: one in at forty. It's like he wants deer in

1771
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 3: your lap. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. The spots

1772
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 3: he set up, Yeah, you're not. You don't get up

1773
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 3: and like starts range finding different things. It's like, dude,

1774
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 3: you're like, if you want range, find some stuff at

1775
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 3: the outer edge of your view. It's like twenty two yards,

1776
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 3: twenty two yards, twenty three yards?

1777
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 5: What what height?

1778
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 3: Low? No way that kills me. M Yeah, his setups

1779
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 3: are low interesting and he could have the world's greatest

1780
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 3: tree ten feet away. But it's not like he like

1781
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 3: a great where you'd be like watching, Yeah you did

1782
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 3: watching ducks out in the slew, you know whatever, you're

1783
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 3: like ten feet over that way. He doesn't care, dude,

1784
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 3: he doesn't care.

1785
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 7: What is Tony bad at? Because you had you observe something,

1786
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 7: Oh okay, enjoying the He's not making a nature documentary.

1787
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 3: He's bad at wildlife viewing. We're not bad at him.

1788
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 3: Just he likes birds and stuff. But no, he's not.

1789
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 3: His setups aren't meant to be that. It's a great

1790
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 3: place to hang out. But dude, I like, after we went,

1791
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 3: you know, we got like a buck on day one,

1792
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 3: we got a buck on day two, we got a

1793
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: buck on day four. They're all twenty yard shots, all

1794
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 3: twenty yard shots all broad side, And after that, I

1795
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 3: was like, I get it, I get it.

1796
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 7: I haven't seen it, because that's.

1797
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 5: A pretty good success for Yeah.

1798
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 7: I haven't seen the deer you and your neighbor killed,

1799
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 7: but I saw the one Tony killed, a very nice one.

1800
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 7: What what were those deer like?

1801
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 3: At eight points? They went progressively smaller? My neighbor got

1802
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 3: a nice one, you know, like a nice like wow,

1803
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 3: I'll show you a picture of mine. It's like a

1804
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 3: like an eight an ear wide shorter timed eight.

1805
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 7: Very efficient kill three bucks in four days.

1806
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then does Tony entertain at all, like on

1807
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 5: a trip like that when you go you know what

1808
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:09,559
Speaker 5: I would entertained?

1809
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 3: Like stuff.

1810
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 8: Advertisers before dinner?

1811
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 3: You give him.

1812
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 5: Like you know what I would have done?

1813
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 3: Oh? You not interested?

1814
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 5: He's like, you're not, You're so marble below on my level.

1815
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I I like defer because because I would,

1816
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 3: I just openly defer to him in that space. You know,

1817
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 3: if we're doing something like you know, if we're doing

1818
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 3: other kinds of things, I wouldn't you know, like there's

1819
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 3: other outdoor activities where I might not care.

1820
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 8: At already be dismissive and hostile to know.

1821
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, what do you think? What do you think?

1822
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: Because I just I appreciate his way of looking at things.

1823
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 3: So he was in the driver's seat. He was in

1824
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 3: the driver's seat. He knew that I have a preference

1825
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:01,759
Speaker 3: for trees over being underground, and I'd say, if it's sixes,

1826
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 3: I like to be in a tree. And he that

1827
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 3: probably like factor didn't do his head a little bit. Yeah,

1828
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 3: but it's so funny, dude, Like the one I got

1829
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 3: came from there, came from the direction. It came from

1830
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 3: the direction he imagined it coming from on the trail.

1831
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 3: He imagined it walking on Uh. I remember even saying

1832
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 3: like talking about at that tight, when it's that tight,

1833
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 3: like trying to get your bow back. He's like, oh,

1834
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 3: this time of year is so distracted. You know. I

1835
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 3: see it coming, and I'm I'm not gonna draw till

1836
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 3: he's underneath me. I just catch him coming like from

1837
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 3: the right. You hear him or see him first? No, didn't.

1838
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 3: It was pretty windy. Didn't see it. Didn't didn't hear

1839
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 3: him see him? Like here he is. He just put

1840
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 3: he's like ten steps away from being underneath me. I remember,

1841
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 3: and I was just standing there ready, sorry, seated, ready,

1842
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 3: but I could shoot that way seated, And where did

1843
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 3: the deer stop? Well, I was like, it was so tight.

1844
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's no way to get my bow back.

1845
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 3: He's gonna stop when I draw, so I'm not to draw.

1846
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 3: So he's in my pocket and he gets in my

1847
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 3: pocket and draw and I draw, and somehow miraculously he

1848
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 3: doesn't see me draw, which I couldn't believe. So then

1849
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 3: I just made a little But I was already I

1850
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,560
Speaker 3: was for a minute entertaining the idea. He's walking so like,

1851
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 3: kind of slow with his nose on the ground. I

1852
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 3: was entertained for a minute just shooting like that.

1853
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 8: Dude.

1854
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 3: It's like it's like right where, right where? Yeah, right

1855
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 3: on the edge of what I could see. Now, It's cool.

1856
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 3: He's got like a it's a cool skill set, man,

1857
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 3: it's a cool skill set. All those years, like we

1858
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 3: would when I was, you know, twelve year old whatever,

1859
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 3: I'll you know, hunting to be like you'd set up

1860
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 3: you know, they'd be like the field, you always see

1861
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 3: the deer, and so you'd hunt a tree in the

1862
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 3: corner because the deer always walk him around out in

1863
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 3: that field and then you'd sit there and they'd not

1864
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 3: come out under you. But you got to watch them

1865
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,560
Speaker 3: all night, you know. And if you like ran a

1866
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,720
Speaker 3: thing like a math problem and be like, Okay, I'm

1867
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 3: here in my tree. This is a you know, a

1868
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 3: thirty acre field, thirty acre l f alfa field. I'm

1869
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 3: in my tree. I can shoot a little twenty yard

1870
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 3: circle around me. And I'm only just planning on one

1871
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 3: walking out in the field and meandering over my way.

1872
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 3: And then you realize the deer in your area have

1873
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,880
Speaker 3: a thing where they like trot to the middle of

1874
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 3: the alfalfa field because they're so tuned in the fact

1875
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 3: that like the edge sucks, Like when you're on the edge,

1876
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 3: some kid shoots an arrow at you. But if you

1877
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 3: run out in the middle, nothing bad. Ever.

1878
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 7: Generations of deer know that.

1879
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1880
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mom's like no, no, no, don't hang out in

1881
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 3: especially that.

1882
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:41,759
Speaker 8: Black cherry, especially the trees, the big straight trees.

1883
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the big cherry tree that the people are always in.

1884
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 3: Just run out and feed all you want. They can't

1885
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:47,799
Speaker 3: reach you with their arrows.

1886
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 5: My one tree stand white tail experience was in Minnesota,

1887
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 5: and it was the scene deer that I hated because

1888
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm stuck in this stupid tree. Deer

1889
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 5: out there.

1890
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always felt like you're doing something right if

1891
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 3: you're looking at him. Yeah, Tony feels like you're doing

1892
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 3: something right.

1893
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 4: When he's twenty yards away, he'd be like, we were

1894
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 4: watching deer all night, just didn't get a shot.

1895
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 8: Okay, but you might as well have been another state.

1896
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 3: You came close, huh felt close? Wasn't close.

1897
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 8: They just didn't want to cooperate.

1898
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, Tony's good at thinking about it, but then he

1899
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 7: also works really hard to like, you don't. You don't

1900
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 7: get that success without both of those things, because it's

1901
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 7: a lot of work just to go hang a tree

1902
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 7: stand And then if you're you're hunting for every wind

1903
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 7: with three guys, how many stands did you have hung?

1904
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 3: Ten we had, he had a natural blind. He had

1905
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 3: maybe four pop ups, five six trees.

1906
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 7: That's a lot of work.

1907
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 3: That's a ton of work, man. Yeah, listen, I was

1908
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 3: at his. It was basically like it was basically we

1909
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 3: were hanging out, you know, but it was basically the

1910
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 3: treatment you would like. It's exceeded the treatment you would

1911
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,360
Speaker 3: get were you to hire an outfitter. Sure, well we

1912
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 3: brought to the table, is my This is my neighbor's

1913
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 3: family's my neighbor's family's farm. So he's like, they kind

1914
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 3: of didn't need you. Oh I didn't bring anything to

1915
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 3: the table. You weren't entertain me. No, they well, they

1916
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 3: didn't need me for anything. I was just there hanging

1917
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 3: out having a good time. It was impressive. He's cool.

1918
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 3: He's cool. It's cool to watch him hunt those white tails.

1919
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you want to think, like Tony hosts the

1920
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 7: Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, and what I love about

1921
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 7: that is they're like fifteen minute episodes, so you can

1922
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 7: go and you can knock out a whole bunch of them.

1923
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,719
Speaker 7: And you know see how a really good white tail

1924
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 7: public land bow hunter like him thinks.

1925
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 3: What's funny too, is once he gets it, he ceases

1926
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 3: to care about the deer. You know what I'm saying.

1927
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 3: He just saw us off the skull plate. He's just

1928
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 3: throw it into a pile. Yeah. But once he's got it,

1929
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 3: it's like that he doesn't fetishize the antlers. I mean,

1930
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 3: they're just like it has become like another one for

1931
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 3: the pile. He likes the hunt. Dude, you know what

1932
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 3: I mean. He likes the hunt.

1933
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 8: Huh.

1934
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's not like, oh, these are going to go

1935
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 3: on a special corner, you know, in the old mantel piece.

1936
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with those? Put them in

1937
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 3: my pile antlers?

1938
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 4: What I like about Tony if we're all doing this,

1939
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:23,600
Speaker 4: He's just a very funny man, just a very sarcastic

1940
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 4: funny man.

1941
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:25,759
Speaker 3: He's very interested in the outer space.

1942
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, we were talking about that when we went fishing.

1943
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 3: Not in a weird way.

1944
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 6: He wears that tinfoil hat from time to time.

1945
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you think so what I was

1946
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 3: warned about him originally, Mark Kenyon warned me about him

1947
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,640
Speaker 3: in outer space. Yeah. I thought it was going to

1948
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 3: be like like aliens, like a bunch of hoodoo jibber,

1949
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 3: But it was he bombarded me with like legit outer

1950
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 3: space stuff like how far away is this? How fast

1951
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 3: is that? How dark that is? You know? We went

1952
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 3: not like not like getting attacked by aliens.

1953
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,839
Speaker 4: At Yeah, we went fishing and I had just finished

1954
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 4: reading the right stuff and for whatever reason, space came

1955
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 4: up and he was like, yeah, I'm big on that.

1956
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Space.

1957
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 4: I was like, what do you mean it's a big

1958
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 4: space guy, and it was like I was hitting. It

1959
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:18,879
Speaker 4: was like a infielding practice where I was hitting grounders

1960
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,600
Speaker 4: with what I knew and he was just grabbing it

1961
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 4: and throwing me out.

1962
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:25,680
Speaker 3: At first, me and him shared my camper. He was

1963
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 3: over around the one of my kids beds camper.

1964
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 7: A good guest at BET.

1965
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 3: He brought a couple two three space books with him.

1966
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 3: He had his space books laid out, not deer books.

1967
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 8: Fascinating, fascinating.

1968
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 5: The first thing he did when he laid down was

1969
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 5: put those stick on stars and plant little mobile.

1970
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get him a sign and says there's no

1971
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 3: box in space. There you go. Might turn him off

1972
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 3: on the whole subject. I don't know. He's gonna find space,

1973
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:56,719
Speaker 3: pinch points in space.

1974
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the opposite of everything that you've just

1975
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 4: described so far. What is just the interest in the infinite?

1976
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 4: And as a deer hunter, he's, oh, it's.

1977
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 3: A great point. Yeah. Maybe his setups all have a

1978
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 3: great view of the sky and I've failed to know,

1979
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 3: but none of them. Reviewing in my head, you can't

1980
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 3: see the sky either, huh.

1981
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 8: You just see a hole in front of Maybe the

1982
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 8: good readings the reading light is good.

1983
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:28,559
Speaker 5: I was we're so pro white tail right now.

1984
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: I was just thinking.

1985
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 5: I was over at a friend's house, went downstairs to

1986
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,599
Speaker 5: used the by ath, never been there before, went downstairs,

1987
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 5: used used the bathroom, and there's like many respectable white

1988
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 5: tails on the wall. And I came back up and

1989
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, there's a lot of a

1990
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 5: lot of white tail down there. And he just goes, yeah,

1991
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 5: says something about Montana. I can't kill a big mule

1992
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 5: there anymore, so you just end up with a white tail.

1993
01:51:58,640 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 3: Sure.

1994
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 5: It was like, huh, A lot of people would be

1995
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 5: real excited about it with those bucks on the wall.

1996
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1997
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 7: And he's got a basement, Like I don't know people

1998
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:10,480
Speaker 7: in Montana.

1999
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 5: With basements, so that's interesting.

2000
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2001
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:14,640
Speaker 7: Well, I grew up in a place where everyone had

2002
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 7: a basement, and then I came out here. And when

2003
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 7: we moved here, before we bought our house, we had

2004
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 7: looked at like twenty of them when we came out,

2005
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 7: not a single one had a basement in it. It's

2006
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 7: because of well, Tornado. The ground is extra rocky in

2007
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 7: the valley here, so that complicates it a little bit.

2008
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 7: And then I think the earthquakes. Also, they don't want

2009
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 7: to put a basement in.

2010
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 3: We have a we have a full footprint crawl space

2011
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 3: six feet no, five and a half feet deep, so

2012
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 3: you can't stand up in it. And I realized after

2013
01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: a while, like, I guess if you went whatever you

2014
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 3: do normally, yeah, nine feet, you'd be standing in two

2015
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,759
Speaker 3: feet of water. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like that deeper.

2016
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, what kind of lazy ass scraped off the

2017
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 3: extra space so I can stand up now when I'm

2018
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 3: sorting through my wife's Christmas decoration.

2019
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 7: I should have consulted you.

2020
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, well I think I know why. All right,

2021
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, and somebody needs to add thanks Phil Spencer

2022
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 3: got thanks Phil. He doesn't want to talk about it.

2023
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 3: Where is that buck? I see it?

2024
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 7: Uh, he's getting taxidermy.

2025
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 3: You're getting them taxed her just a year amount. Why

2026
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 3: did you say tax ermys?

2027
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 7: Because I took it to a taxidermist to do that.

2028
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 8: Really, what what'd you think?

2029
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:39,639
Speaker 7: You brought it to a tax nervous Well, our girl

2030
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 7: Brooklyn who works here, who like gives us whole a

2031
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 7: knight's discount? Yeah, of course I take it to her.

2032
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 3: Oh that's who you had to do it. Yes, Oh

2033
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 3: that's all I was gonna complain about that.

2034
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 7: I didn't take it to Brooklyn. Oh yeah, she's quick

2035
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 7: and cheap.

2036
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 3: I've been sending her some business too. Shes a nice job.

2037
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're very clean, evenly colored.

2038
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 5: I took a bunch of stuff that's just been sitting

2039
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,200
Speaker 5: around tour this year. But I did not take the

2040
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 5: brown Bear tour.

2041
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:09,760
Speaker 3: You can get it beatled because I want to get

2042
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 3: a beat That's what I did my boys, black Bear,

2043
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 3: my boys first BlackBerry got a beatle for him. So

2044
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 3: the So it's real nasal cavity is and real sound,

2045
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 3: you know.

2046
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what'd you think of that? Camper loved it?

2047
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 5: Oh good, I think it's enormous.

2048
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 3: Oh we put stabilizer bars on it. With that big

2049
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 3: diesel truck. You don't even know what's back there. Space

2050
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 3: It's is nice. Me and Tony shared it. He felt

2051
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 3: like he was an outer space. He had.

2052
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 8: That's a space ship.

2053
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:43,160
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Phil, his little his little line. Phil

2054
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 3: just let us go.

2055
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 5: I thought we were done.

2056
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 3: I want you guys to hear Phil's British accident that

2057
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 3: he forthfathing in it. No hit, how you like to

2058
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 3: do it, phil, Isn't it okay?

2059
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 1: Uh?

2060
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 2: The last time I did that, I was admonished. And

2061
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:01,960
Speaker 2: then you came in here and said that our actors

2062
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 2: aren't real artists. And now you're asking me to as

2063
01:55:05,200 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 2: your court jester, to start spitting.

2064
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 3: Off line the boys with a crash it line.

2065
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 1: God bless us everyone.

2066
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 7: That this comes out December fifteen. Can you do something

2067
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 7: Christmas Eve?

2068
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 3: Though? Is that? Is that not?

2069
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's as Christmas as a gift.

2070
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 7: And they're like a merry Christmas in there?

2071
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,919
Speaker 3: Someone oh do like where he's trying to tell Scrooge

2072
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 3: he should go home early because it's Christmas Eve.

2073
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: Well, well, Scrooge ass if i'd like the whole day,

2074
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 2: And then I say, well, if quite convenient, sir, and

2075
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 2: then he says it's not convenient, and it's not fair.

2076
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 2: That's screw that's my Scrooge. And then I said, well,

2077
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,280
Speaker 2: it's it's Christmas Day, so it's only once a year.

2078
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 2: And then he says, well, fine, you have to come

2079
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:48,640
Speaker 2: in two hours early tomorrow, and then I say, yes, sir,

2080
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 2: marry oh, I mean good evening. That's how the scene is.

2081
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 2: Thanks Menser, Pi.

2082
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take back.

2083
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 5: That was art guy from Ireland right in and congratulate

2084
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 5: me on the the b h A position, and he said,

2085
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 5: are we still going? He said, I'm chuffed, I'm still

2086
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 5: I'm still Spencer.

2087
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 3: Spencer's done.

2088
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 8: I didn't I didn't realize we're still going.

2089
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 3: Earlier took his off and he's still talking.

2090
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 5: I just thought that was funny. Yeah, chuffed, And I

2091
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 5: was like, well, thank you all. Have to look up,

2092
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 5: look up what that is.

2093
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 3: Chuffed.

2094
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 5: It just means like you're excited, you're hand chuffed.

2095
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start using that. That's like when I learned,

2096
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 3: uhlans go bouch when a gun goes off instead of bang.

2097
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start doing chuff.

2098
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 6: Close to chafed though its opposite of just.

2099
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 5: Kind of fun to hear about Spencer's But I still

2100
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 5: can't believe.

2101
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 8: I can't understand if we're recording this podcast.

2102
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 3: No, it's over. It's over, Spencer. I would like to

2103
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 3: see your buck.

2104
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 7: Well, we have radio Live this week. Steve is there,

2105
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 7: meet Randall's there, we'll talk about it.

2106
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 3: Then that sounds good?

2107
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:51,920
Speaker 8: How about that?

2108
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2109
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody, Thank you, Phil, great bother