1 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstark. 2 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: That's Karen Kilgariff, And we're just here to. 3 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: Tell you a couple things before we go dish, like 4 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: four four things, and then we're gonna go back on tour. Yeah, 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: we'll just go back to the hotel. 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Rooms constantly for the rest of our lives wherever and 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: eat chicken strips and caesar salads. 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: I mean caesar salad. You're being good. 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't eat it. I just order it. 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: Oh, I see it. 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Vince eats it. 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: He gets that rough as he does. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: He's so good at it. And I'm just like a child, 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: fucking I just ate a fucking uncrustable like I don't. 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: I eat like a toddler. 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: I had my first uncrestable in the Denver dressing room. 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: Congratulations. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: Georgia came up and was holding on crustables, like would 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: you like some of these? 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Because I asked for them in the dressing room, because 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: like the perfect snack. Yeah, and they gave me like 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: twelve of them, so I was like, I'm gonna share 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: the Well, everyone gets it. Uncrustable. 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: It's so funny. They asked what I wanted in my 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: dressing room, and I'm like, I don't know, and I 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: said mozz of relisticks, but I meant string cheese and 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: it's the same as it. Everyone kind of pauses, like, Okay, 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: I guess we'll get you hot mazza Relai sticks impossibly. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, string cheese is a good idea. Yeah, it's such 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: a weird part of it that you're like, I don't 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: want do people fucking want green rooms. I've never coked, 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't know cocaine, always coke, cocaine. 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: Cocaine and Edamammy. I asked for ed a mommy as well. 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: I was trying to do protein things. But again it's 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: absolutely performative. Yeah, right, for exactly, I'm not sure. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: But well we're back, except we're not because when this 37 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: comes out or in Austin, Yes, that's right, night two 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: in Austin, that's right, which I'm very excited about. I 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna work out boots to the show. 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, local jokes, get local work. Yeah, in the best way, 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: in the best way. Give them what they want is 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: what I meant for that one. 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: Thank you everyone who came to Denver. That was like 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: such a fucking amazing time. It was. 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: I mean I would have to say, to go back 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: on stage after six years, it was perfection. 47 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: It was great. We forgot how to do it. They 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: didn't care. They were so supportive. 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: They were really right there with us as we didn't 50 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: know our lines in our own show. 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: It was so much fun. I hope you guys are 52 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: coming to the live shows coming up. Yeah, I think 53 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: they're going to be fucking fun. 54 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, I would just say Denver 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: was the loudest audience I've ever heard. Both nights. Yeah, 56 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: but that first night was nuts, like dumb nuts. 57 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 58 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: And there was a Katie dressed as a hot dog 59 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: front and sentence. 60 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean, there's just a lot of a lot of 62 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: great stuff. Mary drove from South Dakota. There was just 63 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: a positivity, people repping from all over this great land. 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: We were in our own little fantasy worlds in that theater. 65 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: It was really great. 66 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: Us and and crustables. 67 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were you giving me a signal to put 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: my hair. 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: I was texting my own hair. When we were in 70 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: done for I went to an vintage store and I 71 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: bought this shirt that this blouse, what was it called 72 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: gold mine, gold mine, thank you, oh my god. And 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: I steamed it and it smells vintage now, yes, and 74 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: you know how that happened Siggs cigarettes and mothalls. Yeah. 75 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: Well, I have a thing that's very has nothing to 76 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: do with anything, okay except for that. Just it was 77 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: very touching to me. So there was the like the 78 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: Technical Emmys. But there is an actor who I've always 79 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: been a huge fan of and I actually kind of 80 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: became you know, fake Twitter friends with for a little while. 81 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: His name Sean Hattisey, and he has been working since 82 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: I think he's in his early twenties. He's been in 83 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: a million things. He used to be on a show 84 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: called Southland but now he's on the Pit and he 85 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: won for Best Supporting Actor. 86 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Wow. 87 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: So I have always loved him, of course. And somewhere 88 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: in the Twitter world he did something like he posted 89 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: a picture. He's like, what is this outside of and 90 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: it was like a bunch of bikes that had goofy 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: shit all over them and people were just guessing and 92 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: I guessed yoga studio in Santa Monica or something like that, 93 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: and he wrote back, I expected better from you, Karen. 94 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 95 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: And then I was like, wait, what the fuck. Then 96 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: I would post a joke and he would be there 97 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: baking jokes back, and so it was almost like we 98 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: were already friends. Like I went to high school Shawn Hatessey, 99 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: where I was just like my friend Mollie, who I 100 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: was also a Twitter friends, which she was like, what 101 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: the fuck's going on? I'm like, I truly don't know, 102 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: but just everybody at calm and pretend like whatever. He's 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: just a funny guy, but he's also just like one 104 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: of those working actor people that like everybody loves and 105 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: is so good and everything he does. And when I 106 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: posted a thing when my mom died, he DMed me 107 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: and sent me the loveliest message of like whatever. So 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: I just wanted to say, because now Twitter's gone, right, 109 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: I'm over on TikTok, on my TikTok island on your 110 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: own with no connections to anything, and I'm just fucking 111 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: basically a weird lurker. I don't get to write my 112 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: jokes or do my fun stuff. 113 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they really ruined that for me. 114 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: They ruined everything. 115 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: One hundred and forty characters. 116 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: Congratulations to Sean Hattisey. 117 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I have an update or a thing that 118 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: is that has nothing to do with this except it's 119 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: true crime. 120 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: Oh maybe we do more stuff like that on our 121 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: true crime podcast. 122 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I guess so. In July of twenty twenty four, I 123 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: did on episode four thirty six called You, Me and 124 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: American Geography. I covered Buford Pusser, who was the walking 125 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: tall guy yes, and about how they got ambush his 126 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: wife was killed by the people who were like going 127 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: after him, and how he became this hero. Well, it 128 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: looks like he killed his wife. Oh no, yep, spoiler alert. 129 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: They think he did it. 130 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, like all the lore around that man is false. 131 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: Yep, and they think he killed her. They like looked 132 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: at the evidence again. The wife's name was Pauline. It 133 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: was said that she was shot in the car while 134 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: writing with him, but new evidence shows she may have 135 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: been shot outside the car, and Buford had been shot 136 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: in the face, which was like a huge He survived, 137 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, but it's like, oh, that looks like a 138 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: self inflicted gunman. 139 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Now, now do we know for a factor? Is this 140 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: just is like we think and we're getting close to 141 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: the answer. 142 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: I think they're pretty set on it. He's dead, you know, 143 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: long dead. So it's like nothing could be done, but 144 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: there's like the new evidence is pretty damning. Yeah, I guess. 145 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: Also it's the kind of thing where and will the 146 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: new evidence even matter? Because oftentimes when like lore happens 147 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: like that, it's just set and people kind of never 148 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: change their mind. 149 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like, yeah, like cold cases that 150 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: are just so fascinating, it's like, oh fuck, man, you 151 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: find out new shit all the time. 152 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: That's a real twist. 153 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Should we do some highlights? 154 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: Okay, we have a podcast network. It's called Exactly Right Media. 156 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: Here are some highlights. 157 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: We've got a new Buried Bones episode this week called 158 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: Blood on the Cobblestones, Part one. Kate and Paul head 159 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: to Boston nineteen sixty two, where a series of women 160 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: are found strangled and this story is just beginning. 161 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Speaking of Buried Bones, Kate and Paul are 162 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: going on vacation and they're taking you with them. That's right. 163 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Buried Bones is setting sail this October as part of 164 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Virgin Voyage's first ever true crime cruse. 165 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? 166 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine. 167 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: Do you think that ID channel will just zap out? 168 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: Because everyone will be on it at eleven thirty like buffet, 169 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: dance party whatever. Then you need those forensic files. 170 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that sounds amazing. They're stopping in the 171 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Dominican Republic and Vimini and Bahamas and there'll be a 172 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: live taping of Buried Bones and a meet and greet 173 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: with Kate and Paul. So make sure you check that 174 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: out if that's your thing. At virgin voyages dot com 175 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: slash true. 176 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: Crime, I mean that's going to be really fun. Yeah, 177 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: also amazing places to go. 178 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Okay. 179 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: Then over on I Said No Gifts, Bridger is joined 180 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: by some hilarious guests, Lauren Lapkis, Tarren Killem, and Vinnie Thomas, 181 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: my very favorite. If you haven't followed Vinnie Thomas on 182 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: either Instagram or TikTok, he is one of the funniest 183 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: people out there. He was just on I Said No 184 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: Gifts individually anyway, They're live in Los Angeles and the 185 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: topics include deodorant application and OJ Simpson pog and the 186 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: Capitol One Cafe. 187 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: And then over on our newest podcast, Trust Me, Lola 188 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: and Meghan are joined by journalist Jane Borden. Oh my god, 189 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: good friend of the podcast, friend of the pod author 190 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: of the book Cults Like Us that I've mentioned here before. 191 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: It's so freaking good. She talks about how cult thinking 192 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: is baked into American life, from doomsday myths to self 193 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: help empires, and why we're all more susceptible than we think. 194 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. 195 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very cool. And also, finally, over on That's 196 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: Messed Up, Karen Lisa covered the SVU episode Dare, which 197 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: is the tragic story of actress Isabella Grasso, and discuss 198 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: the gruesome case of doctor Michael Mastro Marino. Oh, just 199 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 2: flipping around on Deep Cable last night. You want to 200 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: see what I saw? 201 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 202 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: This commercial right here? My god, it's Nicole right Hi. 203 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 3: It's Nicole from the merch Department. I've just returned from 204 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: a very dangerous excavation. We found artifacts ancient, powerful, possibly cursed. 205 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: It's the og Stay sext dug up from the year 206 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, designed by Katzlan, preserved by time, now reissued 207 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: in a unisex fit. Some say these belong in a museum. 208 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: We say they belong on your body. Available now at 209 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 3: exactly rightstore dot com. Get yours before they go extinct. 210 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: Nicole, What a treasure. 211 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: Another great ad from Nicole, Such a treasure. And she's 212 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: actually at all our live shows. If you're a huge 213 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: Nicole head, then you got to come to the live 214 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: shows because she sells the merch. 215 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: Right, she's at our merchbooth. Fucking taken over. Yep, all right, 216 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: Well I'm solo today. Yes, it's your day, it's my day. 217 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: It's also nine to eleven when this comes out. 218 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: Never forget. 219 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: In the spirit of not forgetting, I'm going to tell 220 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: you a story that happened exactly twenty four years ago. 221 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: On September eleventh, two thousand and one. As you know, Karen, 222 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: four hijacked airplanes were used to conduct the deadliest attack 223 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: on American soil. And what boggles aren't my mind is 224 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: that there are people who listen to this podcast who 225 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: weren't even born yet. Yeah, and who are adults. It's 226 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: fucking crazy, I know, like the trauma that we collectivey 227 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: still have from it from that day and people hadn't 228 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: been born yet. I can't even imagine. 229 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: The weirdest thing. And I know I feel like we've 230 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: talked about this, but I remember, like three days later 231 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: we all me and my friends went to the beach 232 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: and we were in the water, you know, out in 233 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: Santa Monica, and a plane came to land and we 234 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: all just froze in the water. Everybody at the beach 235 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: was like, what's going to happen right now? And it's 236 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: like the plane just landed normal constantly. It was a 237 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: complete paradigm shift, obviously, totally, totally. 238 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: It changed the way you saw the world completely. A 239 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: week after the attacks, the famous journalist Hunter S. Thompson, 240 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: who then had a column for ESPN sports writing site 241 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: Page two, wrote, quote, the twenty two babies born in 242 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: New York City while the World Trade Center burned will 243 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: never know what they missed. The last half of the 244 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: twentieth century will seem like a wild party for rich 245 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: kids compared to what's coming now. The party's over, folks. 246 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: End quote, And he was correct. 247 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: Dang, Hunter Thompson knew it. 248 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Give it like going into labor when 249 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: that's happening you used to go to the hospital. 250 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: I mean New York And it's basically like now we're 251 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: all in a disaster movie right that no one is 252 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: even ever imagined. 253 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: Oh, it's like the serious finale of some fucking hospital 254 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: movie that like is awful, so crazy. 255 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: I had friends that had to run They lived down 256 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: near Wall Street and they had to run out of 257 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: their apartment with no shoes on and like just to 258 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: get away from the buildings. So nuts. 259 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: The shock waves from that day have reshaped our country 260 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: and our world, and we're still living with the consequences. 261 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: But today's story is about some of the people who, 262 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: in the moment, decided to sacrifice themselves to ensure that 263 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: as little harm as possible would come to their fellow Americans. 264 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: This is the story of the passengers and crew of 265 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: United ninety three, the only hijacked plane that did not 266 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: hit its intended target. 267 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: Holy shait I know, great idea. 268 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, thank you to Ali and Molly for suggesting this. 269 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I've been waiting to do this, and today of all 270 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: fucking days. Yeah. Really. Along the way, we'll talk about 271 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: some of the other people on board the other planes 272 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: who sounded the alarm and relate as much information as 273 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: possible over the phone. It's because of these phone calls 274 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: that we have any information about what happened on those planes. 275 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: I also wanted to talk about how like cell phones 276 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: were like in their infancy, everyone maybe had a cell phone. 277 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: There was no texting though, there was no sending photos. 278 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: If you were on an airplane, you couldn't make a 279 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: call most of the time. 280 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not. There was texting, but it was that 281 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: you had to do. You would depressed the little number 282 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: a certain amount of times for the certain letters. 283 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: Oh, I was so good at that, but so exhausted. 284 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was. It was exhausting. 285 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 286 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: People would not understand today. Also, was so expensive, so expensive, Yeah, 287 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, calling from an airplane, can you like? Yeah. 288 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: So the main sources I used for the story were 289 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: an article in The New Yorker by Paige Williams, a 290 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: segment from sixty Minutes, and the nine to eleven Commission report, 291 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: and the rest of the sources can be found in 292 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: the show notes. So we're going to start in oak Brook, Illinois, 293 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: a Chicago suburb, and we're at the customer service call 294 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: center for Verizon's airphone service. Remember they had phones on 295 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: the back. 296 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Of this seat with the wires. 297 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: Yes, you press this button and a phone would pop 298 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: out of the back of the seat in front of 299 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: you on an airplane. 300 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: And it was ten dollars a minute. 301 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: I was like, so expensive, so expensive, nobody use them 302 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: like they were for show. It felt like well. The 303 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: woman named Lisa Jefferson is a supervisor at this call center. 304 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: She spent the morning working in her office, and sometime 305 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: after eight am Central time, a coworker asks if she's 306 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: heard that two planes have crashed into the World Trade 307 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: Center buildings in New York. Lisa hadn't heard yet, and 308 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: at about eight forty five am, she steps out of 309 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: her office to find out more. And she's only taken 310 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: a few steps when one of the call center reps 311 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: she supervises flags her down. She says she's on the 312 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: phone with a man who is on another plane that 313 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: has been hijacked. Lisa has the representative gets some more 314 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: information for her to relate to her supervisors, and by 315 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: the time Lisa has done this and returns, she can 316 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: tell that the representative is having trouble handling the information 317 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: she's hearing. Obviously she's panicking. Lisa has to lift her 318 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: physically out of the chair and sit her down next 319 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: to her so she can get on the call. Because 320 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: this woman is just rosen. Yeah. She puts on the 321 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: headset and starts talking to quote a soft spoken, calm man, 322 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: as she puts it, He introduces himself as Todd. So, 323 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: Todd Mehmer is thirty two years old and he's from Cranberry, 324 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: New Jersey. He has two little boys, David who's three 325 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: and Drew who was one, and one more baby on 326 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: the way. His wife, coincidentally, is also named Lisa. Todd 327 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: works as a software salesman for the software company Oracle. 328 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: He had flown out of Newark that morning to attend 329 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: a meeting in San Francisco, and he was just gonna 330 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: take the meeting and come right back home to be 331 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: with his family. He was supposed to have gone the 332 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: day before, which is like fucking always right, Yeah, But 333 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: he and Lisa had just gotten back from a trip 334 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: to Italy and he wanted to spend that night with 335 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: his kids, so he took the flight the next he rushed. Yeah. 336 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: So Todd is a baseball fanatic. He can't wait to 337 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: start his kids in the sport. He's already assembled a 338 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: full catcher's uniform for his three year old, right like, 339 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: I could see that. It's doing that everything except the 340 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: mit and that's because Lisa, the wife, had put her 341 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: foot down about this. She's like, he's three years old. 342 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: He doesn't mean the whole thing yet, Like, let's wait 343 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: on the mit. You know these are they're expensive. It's 344 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: sometimes reported that Todd was trying to call his wife 345 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: initially but the call wouldn't connect, and that he called 346 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: the airphone customer service desk and said But according to 347 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: Lisa Beemer, the wife and Lisa Jefferson, Todd didn't try 348 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: to call his wife at all. He knew she was 349 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: home with her two very young children, and she was pregnant, 350 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: and Todd did not want to upset his family and 351 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: freak her out. So, because it was two thousand and one, 352 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: which is ancient, there's no transcript of Lisa Jefferson's call 353 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: with Todd. It was not recorded. Lisa took some notes 354 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: on a post it and those were what was handed 355 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: over to the FBI. So everything we know about the 356 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: conversations from Lisa's memory. There was a transcript circulating online, 357 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: but it was fake. So of the four planes that 358 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: were ultimately hijacked that morning, Todd's flight from Newark, United 359 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: ninety three had been the last to take off between 360 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: the four planes that were nineteen hijackers total, and four 361 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: of them are on flight ninety three. Each of the 362 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: other flights have five hijackers on board and its guests. 363 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: At the final hijacker was detained upon attempting to enter 364 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: the United States, so there's only four on his flight. 365 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: All nineteen hijackers are members of the Al Kaeda terrorist network, 366 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: and most but not all, of them are from Saudi Arabia, 367 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: where Al Kada has the strongest presence. The hijackers are 368 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: between the ages of twenty and thirty three, with the 369 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: majority of them being in their early twenties. I know, 370 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing. 371 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: Just like watching radicalization and that's what we're doing in 372 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: this country now. But it just like that thing of 373 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: there is no end, it's the one end. Actually sorry, 374 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: it's a zero sum game. Like it's just so sad. 375 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: And then the idea that something has gotten into their 376 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: head to the degree where they're like, yep, I'm going 377 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: to die for this belief. Yeah, and I'm going to 378 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: kill a bunch of other people for this belief. 379 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 380 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: It's a horrible thing. 381 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. So some of the hijackers had been in America 382 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: for years and have attended American flight schools, other hijackers 383 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: that were there just to subdue the passengers and crew 384 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: mostly arrive in the US later, and they are kept 385 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: separate from the pilots until the day of the attack. 386 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you can read about this and watch the 387 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: details about this everywhere obviously, so I'm not going to 388 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: get super in the weeds. But all four of the 389 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: flight ninety three hijackers are seated in first class in 390 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: the front of the plane, So the TSA will be 391 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: created in response to nine to eleven, you're just so wild. 392 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you used to be able to go up to 393 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: the gate. 394 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, you could walk your person up to 395 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: the gate. That's right. There was no centralized authority performing 396 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: security screenings at every airport. The airlines instead contract out 397 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: their security to individual companies, you know, So it's just 398 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: there's no rules. Especially there's no rules. Surveillance footage from 399 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: these checkpoints show that several of the hijackers set off 400 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: the metal detectors and then they get checked with a 401 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: wand that morning. In the footage, one of them appears 402 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: to have something clipped to his back pocket, but he's 403 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: allowed through the checkpoint without it being examined, and it 404 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: will turn out that most of the hijackers were able 405 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: to get knives or box cutters on board, which is 406 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: why you have to take your shoes off now, I mean. 407 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you absolutely could have a box cutter in those 408 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: doctor shoals. I mean, it doesn't make sense anymore. 409 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: I know. It sucks that we like we do things 410 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: in response to tragedy, not to like circumvent it. 411 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: Yes, there's no one sitting down and preventatively. Yeah, maybe 412 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 2: they are, But I just watched a woman do this 413 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: TikTok where she's like, so, you're telling me that my 414 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: pet has to stay in quarantine till his vaccines come 415 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: all the way through, but there's not going to be 416 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: any vaccines for children, right, And it's just like, oh 417 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: my god, Like the mentality of things where you're just like, 418 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: how are we there's no not overwriting logic. 419 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: No, it's fucking mayhem. Yeah now yeah, it's total mayhem. 420 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: So United ninety three boards around eight am Eastern time. 421 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: There are thirty three passengers who range in age from 422 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: twenty to seventy nine. They're from all over the country Minnesota, California, Florida, 423 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: some even from overseas in Germany and Japan. It's believed 424 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: that the first hijacking on the first plane, American Airlines 425 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: eleven begins around eight fourteen in the morning, shortly after 426 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: that flight took off out of Boston's Logan Airport. This 427 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: is when communications between air traffic control and the pilots 428 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: started going unanswered, so that's how they know something had started. 429 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: There were seven crew members aboard that day, and two 430 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: heroic flight attendants on that flight are able to separately 431 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: contact American Airlines to sound the alarm, but something had happened. 432 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: At eight nineteen am, Betty Annong calls the American Airlines 433 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: reservations desk from the jump seat in coach and informs 434 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: them that she believes the flight has been hijacked, so 435 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: that's the first they hear about it. She says that 436 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: two first class flight attendants have been stabbed and that 437 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: she believes that the hijackers have taken over the cockpit. 438 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: She says people are having trouble breathing and that she 439 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: thinks the hijackers sprayed nace up in first class. 440 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I never heard any of that. 441 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. At eight twenty nine, Madeline Amy Sweeney, another flight 442 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: attendant on American Airlines eleven, who goes my Amy also 443 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: contacts American Airlines, reaching their flight services desk in Boston 444 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: and confirms that two flight attendants had been stabbed and 445 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: that an additional passenger in first class was also killed. 446 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: It's believed that this was a man named Daniel Lewin, 447 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: and that he had attempted to stop the two hijackers 448 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: seated in front of him, not realizing that additional hijackers 449 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: were seated behind him, so he just jumped into action. Wow. Yeah. 450 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: American Airlines personnel reached the air traffic control tower in Boston, 451 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: which is already aware that there's a situation on flight 452 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: eleven because of the dropout in communication, but also because 453 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: one of the American Airlines eleven hijackers mistakenly radios them. 454 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: At eight twenty four am. He says, quote, we have 455 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: some planes end quote and tells the passengers to sit down. 456 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: It seems like he thought he was using the plane's 457 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: PA system, but instead had broadcast that out to pilots 458 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: and air traffic controllers. So you're just fucking flying your 459 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: plane and you hear that terribly. Wow. Yeah. Both Betty 460 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: and Amy remain on the line with American Airlines personnel 461 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: calmly relaying information At eight forty six am. Amy said 462 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: she can see water and buildings and that the plane 463 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: is flying way too low. Both phone calls and when 464 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: American Airlines eleven hits the North tower of New York's 465 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: World Trade Center and it's just horrific. She seems to 466 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: know what's coming across the river in Newark, New Jersey. 467 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Todd's flight United ninety three has taken off four minutes earlier, 468 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: So like, just. 469 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: If there was just some delay, Yeah. 470 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Some delay at eight forty two am, after a twenty 471 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: five minute delay on the tarmac, So if it had 472 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: just been a little bit long long between the hijacking 473 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: of American Airlines eleven and United ninety three taking off, 474 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: the two other flights have also taken off. Those are 475 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: United Airlines one seventy five from Boston to la which 476 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: took off at eight fifteen, one minute after the American 477 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: Airlines eleven hijacking began, so too late by then, an 478 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 1: American Airline seventy seven, which took off from Washington, DC's 479 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: Dallas Airport at eight twenty. These two flights are hijacked 480 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: within ten minutes of United ninety three taking off, so 481 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: air traffic Control loses contact with American Airline seventy seven, 482 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: the flight that left out of Dulles at nine am, 483 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes after the North Tower had been hit. 484 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: By this point in time, the FAA is aware that 485 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: multiple hijackings are taking place, but they have not put 486 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: out the warning to other planes that are currently flying. 487 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what would you do, well, there is no 488 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: protocol in place for this kind of thing. Oh, because 489 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: this is never. 490 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 2: Happen because multiple Yeah, it's like one hijacking at a 491 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: time in the past. 492 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So they don't know when to like emergency land. 493 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: They don't tell them to stop taking off. 494 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: I mean, imagine it's like have you ever seen one 495 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: of those maps with all the planes flying and how 496 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: many are flying at the same time, and you're supposed 497 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: to get on a mic and be like, guys, everybody land. 498 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then imagine being one of the pilots like 499 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: on the tarmac that day who was so not to 500 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: take off, and the people on the plane who are like, 501 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: what the fuck's going on? You can't tell them, will 502 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: freak out. It's just the worst an impossible situation. Yeah. 503 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: At eight fifty nine, a passenger aboard United Airlines one 504 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: seventy five named Brian David Sweeney. Oh my god, have 505 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: you heard this? He leaves a message for his wife 506 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: on his home answering machine. Have you heard it? 507 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 2: I think so. 508 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: It's fucking heartbreaking, he says, in a calm voice. Can 509 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: I read it to you? Sure? Quote Jules, this is Brian. Listen, 510 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm on an airplane that's been hijacked. If things don't 511 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: go well and it's not looking good, I just want 512 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: you to know I absolutely love you. I know. I 513 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: want you to do good, go have good times. Same 514 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,239 Speaker 1: to my parents and everybody. And I just totally love you. 515 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: And I'll see you when you get there, I know. 516 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: And it's like his voice is like kind of calm, 517 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: but you can tell it's like resigned. It sounds resigned. 518 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: It's just like I just need you to know this, Yeah, 519 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: which is a beautiful thing. 520 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: I know. I'm saying I want you to do good 521 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: and go have good time, knowing like, yeah, she's about 522 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: to lose everything. 523 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: What a loss of a man that would place that 524 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: call totally God damn, I know. 525 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: So five minutes later, that flight strikes the South tower 526 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: of the World Trade Center. The attacks in New York 527 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: ultimately killed two seven hundred and fifty three people. So 528 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: at this point, back on United ninety three, they've been 529 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: in the air for about twenty minutes when that happens. 530 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: And in the beginning the first tower, we like weren't 531 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: sure what it was. Even the second tower, that's when 532 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: you started to hear about like the word terrorist. But 533 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: it was slow. I mean the news I was with 534 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: my grandma was living at her house at the time. 535 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: The news came in so slowly, and it came in 536 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: as the newscasters were learning it as well. Yeah, fucking 537 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: no one knew anything. And then suddenly there's another plane 538 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: that had been hijacked and another plane, and like it 539 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: was just very it was a panemonium. 540 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like started surreal. Well yeah, then got weirder. 541 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: I've told you this already. But my sister called me 542 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: and I didn't get up because it was like really early, 543 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 2: and she kept calling, and when I finally picked up, 544 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: she was like, she said, they attacked the White House, 545 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: which I thought she meant aliens. So it was just 546 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: just like what what what? And I turned on the TV. 547 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: But then it was this like when the first plane 548 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: went you were like, oh, what a terrible accent. 549 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandma came and woke me up, you know, 550 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: my one hundred year old grandma. She woke me up 551 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: in a really nervous, weird way. That was like after 552 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: the first plane had hit and she was like, I 553 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be alone anymore. And I came and 554 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: woke me up. I was like a fuck a twenty 555 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: year old, you know, like, and we watched it together. Oh, 556 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: I know, Okay. The pilots on flight ninety three are 557 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: named Jason Dahl and Leroy Homer, and they've already heard 558 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: the mistaken transmission go out from one of the hijackers 559 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: when at nine twenty three am, a United Airlines dispatcher 560 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: named Ed Ballinger lets them know about the other hijackings, 561 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: sending written transmission quote beware and any cockpit intrusion two 562 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: aircraft hit World Trade Center end quote. So they're fucking 563 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: mid air and they get that fucking message. I mean, 564 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: and there's a movie called United ninety three that seems 565 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: to be pretty close to the actual events, which is 566 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 1: terrifying and really hard to watch. 567 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: But I know, remember when that movie came out. I 568 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: was just like, who has the kind of weekend where 569 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: they feel like they have the capacity to take that in? 570 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: Right? Well, I just watched the last scene that I'm 571 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: going to tell you about, and it was it was brutal. 572 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 573 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: A few minutes later, air traffic control sees that that 574 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: plane loses seven hundred feet of altitude out of nowhere, 575 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: and the pilot's issue a may day call. This message 576 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: is received by an air traffic control tower in Cleveland. 577 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: The plane levels off, and thirty seconds later, the Cleveland 578 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: air traffic controllers hear the sound of a struggle and 579 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: First Officer Leroy Homer saying, quote get out of here 580 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: end quote. So obviously that's when they breached therein cockpit, 581 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: seems like like there wasn't the security with the cockpits 582 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: that there is now, Like they've locked the aisle when 583 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: the pilot has to come out to go to the bathroom. 584 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: It's like this whole protocol. It was not like that 585 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: then at at all, Like they'd leave the door open. 586 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: Sometime the last flight I was on, I think on 587 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: the way to Denver, the pilot came out a bunch. 588 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 589 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: They kept being like, oh no, you can't be up 590 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: here whatever, And I was just like, I've never seen 591 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 2: pilots walk around this much, very weird. 592 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been like, oh no, what's happening? 593 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: Ye just like Charlie Horse, So okay, Charlie. 594 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, at nine thirty seven, American Airline seventy seven hits 595 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: the Pentagon in Washington, d C. All passengers and crew 596 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: on board are killed, as are one hundred and twenty 597 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: five people in the building. Two minutes after this, Cleveland's 598 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: air traffic controllers hear a message from the hijackers that 599 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: are on United ninety three, which had been intended for 600 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: the passengers but again was broadcast on the Rock channel. 601 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: In it, the hijacker falsely clams there's a bomb on board, 602 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: so it seems like that's how they use. They subdued 603 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: people as saying there was a bomb and told everyone 604 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: to remain in their seats. Hijackers engage the plane's autopilot 605 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and the plane turns heading southeast towards Washington, DC. Right 606 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: then they turn off the plane's transponder, making it more 607 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: difficult to track, which shouldn't be a thing you can 608 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: turn off. Probably right, they can't do that anymore. 609 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: Who knows these transponders these days? 610 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: Truly, the hijackers on the previous three planes had done 611 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: the same thing, and it's believed that the intended target 612 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: of this plane is either the White House or the 613 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: Capitol Building. Yeah, the hijackers split up the passengers, sending 614 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: most to the back of the plane and some to 615 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: first class. When we know this because the passengers and 616 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: crew in the back of the planes start making phone calls, 617 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: including Todd. Todd uses the airphone and wound up talking 618 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: to Lisa Jefferson at the Verizon call center. As I 619 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: told you in the beginning of this. Again, we don't 620 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: have the transcript, but Lisa says that she does not 621 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: tell Todd about the attacks in the World Train Center 622 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: and the Pentagon, wanting to freak him out. But there 623 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: are at least ten passengers on the phone at the 624 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: same time as Todd, and so the people on flight 625 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: ninety three do learn about the other attacks. So like, 626 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: it's not a nice related incident and this is a 627 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: suicide mission. Yeah, finding that out horrifying. Yeah, just yeah. 628 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: They also felt themselves change directions, so they are aware 629 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: that they are now flying back to the East Coast, 630 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: which is bad news. At multiple points her conversation with Todd, 631 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Lisa offers to connect him with his wife, but he 632 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: tells her that he doesn't want to scare her and 633 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: the children. It seems from Lisa's end of the conversation then, 634 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: that a decision is made pretty quickly, in less than 635 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: a ten minute timeframe. It seems like all those passengers 636 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: back there decide to retake the plane, which is like 637 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: fucking bananas. 638 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: I know, how who did it first? 639 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like yeah, this like collective, like we 640 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: can't just stand here. Yes, and these things already Like 641 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: it's almost better that they knew what had already happened, 642 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: because otherwise maybe they thought everything would be fine. They 643 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: were hijacking a plane and wasn't a suicide mission. But 644 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: right they found out, yes, and they're like, we gotta 645 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: do something. Yes, it's so up against it how to 646 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: do something. Yeah, Like we outnumber them, I mean, and 647 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: they thought they had a bomb. It's like, but fuck it, yeah, 648 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: we have to do something. I mean, I'm just it's unbelievable. 649 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: So the widow of one of the other passengers says 650 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: that her husband, while he's on the phone with her, 651 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: then tells her that a group is planning to fight 652 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: and that they're waiting until they are above a rural 653 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: area with no houses because they are aware the crashing 654 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: the plane will be the likely outcome. They fucking know 655 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: the plane is going to crash and they're going to die. 656 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: Let's do this somewhere where it will take as few 657 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, people on the ground as possible. 658 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: Like they're thinking of everybody else right the whole time. 659 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: Because they know if it flies into a building, it's 660 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: again like you know in Washington where they think they're going, 661 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: it's going to kill tons of people. We need to 662 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: take it down now somewhere, which was the least amount 663 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: of damn. But I know I'm going to die. 664 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: Like that is I mean like that they're not just 665 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: sitting there frozen like the person rightfully was like freaking out. 666 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: It's like they're the ones taking action in there and 667 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: the eye of the storm totally. 668 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: So at nine fifty seven am, everyone who is on 669 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: the phone with loved ones say that they have to go. 670 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: Everyone gets off the phone. Oh one caller who's not named, 671 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: and the reporting says, quote, everyone is running up to 672 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: first class I've got to go by end quote. It's 673 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: just like they decided. Todd asks Lisa to recite the 674 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: Lord's Prayer with him, and he asked her to tell 675 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: his family that he loves them, and then asks her 676 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: to relay a private message to his wife, which Lisa 677 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: Jefferson has never shared. She's like, oh. Then Lisa hears 678 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: Todd asks the other people around him quote are you ready? 679 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: End quote, and then she hears them say yes, Todd's 680 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: the leader. It seems like Todd is part of the 681 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: people who are like leading this. Then Todd says, quote, Okay, 682 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: let's roll. 683 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, because Neil Young wrote the song. 684 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: Right, so let's roll becomes this well known part of 685 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: the story, and it's like kind of used in a 686 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: way that is very Hollywood Hollywood, but also political, like 687 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: George W. Bush turns it into a political phrase. Oh right, 688 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: and it just kind of is gross. But like, so 689 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: let's just look at it now as a man who 690 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: knew he was about to die said it. 691 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: A man who knew he was about to die and 692 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: becomes a leader on a plane where these days people 693 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: can't even like sit next to each other without fighting, right, 694 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: And this guy gets everybody together and then gets them 695 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: to do that and let's roll. Let's fucking roll. 696 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: The cockpit's voice recorder was recovered from flight ninety three, 697 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: and it captures the sound of what the nine to 698 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: eleven commissions report will later call a sustained assault outside 699 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: the cockpit doors. Wow, loved ones. The passengers and crew 700 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: members on that flight can pick out the individual voices 701 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: of the people they lost who are fighting. 702 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: Of course they can. Can you imagine if you lose 703 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: someone and then you get a tape of their last moments, 704 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: you would be able to fucking their. 705 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Last moments fighting for civilians lives. I mean, that's just 706 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: it's so heroic. I can't even it's the word isn't 707 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: even good enough. The hijackers try to disabled the passengers 708 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: by flying erratically to throw them all over the plane, 709 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: and the voice recorder captures the sound of things crashing 710 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: and breaking glass. The voice recorder captures one hijacker asking 711 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: the other if he should just crash the plane now, 712 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: and the other hijacker says to wait until the people 713 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: reach the cockpit, like they realize that. 714 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: They're going to get overtaken. 715 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he says wait, the passengers continue their assault, 716 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: and within two minutes, one of the hijacker's yells put 717 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: it down, like they realize they've been overcome. 718 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: Put the plane down. 719 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. This leads the nine to eleven commission to believe 720 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: that the passengers and crew were about to overcome them, 721 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: and in that movie it shows that. So at ten 722 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: oh two AM United ninety three, after just gimming the 723 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: village of Lambertsville with four thousand people in it, crashes 724 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: into an abandoned strip mine in the rolling hills of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. 725 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: So they took it down in the middle of nowhere, 726 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: barely skimming a town full of people, to save everybody, 727 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: everybody's life but their own. Fuck I know. 728 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: And also like, how did they do the mentality? How 729 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: did they do that? Bravery wise? Incredible? 730 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: Everyone on board is killed instantly, but there are no 731 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: additional casualties on the ground. The plane would have been 732 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: about twenty minutes away from Washington, d C. Fifteen minutes earlier, 733 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: US airspace had been shut down and all flights had 734 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: been ordered to land finally, and it is possible that 735 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: before reaching DC, United ninety three would have been shot 736 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: down by military aircraft because at that point they had 737 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: been deployed. However, this would not have ensured the safety 738 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: people on the ground the way the passengers had taken 739 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: such care to. Oh, like they just were trying to 740 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: get the plane down anyway they could, and passengers. 741 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: Were like, we got to do it where there isn't anybody. 742 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: The crash site in Shanksville has since been turned into 743 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: a memorial honoring the passengers and crew of United ninety three. 744 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: In a clearing in the trees, there's a wall of 745 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: names with a white marble block for each of the 746 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: forty passengers and crew members on board. There's also something 747 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: called the Tower of Voices, a ninety three foot tall 748 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: giant musical instrument that holds forty wind chimes. Oh that 749 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: beautiful Yeah, One for each voice that was cut short 750 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: on that flight. Okay, you're gonna cry so. In January 751 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: of two thousand and two, a couple months later, Lisa 752 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: Beemer welcomes a baby girl named Morgan. Later that year, 753 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: she gives an interview on NBC about her husband, Todd, 754 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: and she says that just a few weeks earlier, she 755 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: had been digging through some of Todd's things in their 756 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: home's basement. She says, quote, I found a catchersmith that 757 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: Todd had bought and I gave it to David and 758 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: he was thrilled. So now he has the whole gear 759 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: from Daddy, I know. And that is the story of 760 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: the passengers of United Flight ninety three on nine to eleven. 761 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 2: God damn it, I know. I mean, people have the 762 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 2: potential to be incredible, right, and sometimes it does take 763 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 2: the worst of the worst to get that out of people. 764 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's practice doing it while not in a 765 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: dire situation. Yes's exactly is bringing out the best in 766 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: you in everyday life. 767 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 2: In everyday life, and people have it in them. Yeah, 768 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: I mean, goddamn, let's roll. 769 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: Let's roll. All right. Well, thank you guys for listening 770 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: to this solo episode. 771 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: Sorry I cried. I'm kind of tired. 772 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: We have a good car and cry. Everyone knows that. 773 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 2: And we love your support while we do any kind 774 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 2: of type of version of this show so we can 775 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: do all of the different things we're doing right now. 776 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 2: We're so thrilled to be out there seeing you again 777 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 2: doing it in person. It really is the best. 778 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: It's thrilling. 779 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 2: It's so fun. Anyway, stay sexy and don't get murdered. 780 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: Goodbye, Elvis, Do you want a cookie? 781 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. 782 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith. 783 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Oscevedo. 784 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci. 785 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: Our researchers are Maaron McGlashan and Ali Elkin. 786 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: Email your homecounts to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com. 787 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 2: Follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder. 788 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple 789 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and now. 790 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 2: You can watch us on Exactly Wright's YouTube page. 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