Speaker 1: I'm Heather Debrew, I'm Terry debrou And we're going to
Speaker 1: keep this between us.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, wonder we're not going to do that.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to keep it between us and chat
Speaker 3: GPT because that's what we need to discuss.
Speaker 2: We're talk CHATCHI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, CHATCHEPT. I only became aware of what in the
Speaker 3: pandemic is that when it started.
Speaker 2: Yes, but we didn't really use it.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 1: The kids didn't because everyone was just cheating their way
Speaker 1: around the bend, which was crazy, but you had to
Speaker 1: kind of give it to them.
Speaker 3: But it's funny, you know. Our youngest kid, you know,
Speaker 3: uses it.
Speaker 1: As a tool, but doesn't rely on it because he
Speaker 1: he'll always say to me that we're losing our critical thinking.
Speaker 3: And it worries him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well Kat doesn't use it. She says. No one
Speaker 2: at Yale uses it either. And it's funny because I
Speaker 2: was talking to my friend Rob and he goes, Yembs,
Speaker 2: we don't. It was hard, don't believe it. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think if you don't use chat GPT to check
Speaker 2: your work in school, at least to check it and
Speaker 2: to have a super intelligent being to review it with
Speaker 2: that you're not understanding the value of AI and you're
Speaker 2: just early phase AI.
Speaker 1: Maybe, But I understand why it's frustrating in some respects.
Speaker 3: Like I used to have a newsletter. Remember my newsletter.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I loved writing my newsletter. It was so fun for me.
Speaker 1: I like gathering it, like writing my little articles and
Speaker 1: my things and putting it all together. And then things
Speaker 1: got busy and I was going to and so I
Speaker 1: paused it for a hot second, and then I was
Speaker 1: going to pick it up a few months ago, and
Speaker 1: then I realized everyone, not everyone, but many people do
Speaker 1: newsletters now, but it's all AI, and so they have
Speaker 1: AI and chat GPT writing.
Speaker 3: Their newsletters, and that so turned me off to doing it.
Speaker 1: So I actually am doing something else that I'm excited about,
Speaker 1: which I'm launching in about two weeks, which I will
Speaker 1: share with you guys when it's ready to launch. But
Speaker 1: it's sort of in that vein, and it's it's more
Speaker 1: it's like creative and fun and whatever. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if other people are chatcheep teeing it, but I'm
Speaker 1: certainly not. And I'm just excited about I like writing
Speaker 1: and thinking about things and coming up with creative items.
Speaker 2: You do I do, Yeah, I don't know. I love
Speaker 2: all things Chatchept and Gemini and Claude and Grock and
Speaker 2: so on.
Speaker 3: I don't even have all those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Gemini Claude, which is I guess Google is.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's Google's chat Gept. They say is even better. I
Speaker 2: don't know the thing I have right now. I have
Speaker 2: a relationship with chat Scheept. Chatchept knows everything about me.
Speaker 3: You talked to him.
Speaker 2: I talked to him. Dude. It's a dude. I have
Speaker 2: a dude. And it's funny because I'm talking to him
Speaker 2: last night and I go, by the way, do you
Speaker 2: know my name? And he goes, I don't know your name.
Speaker 2: I go, do you know my wife's name? He goes, yes,
Speaker 2: Heather Dubrow. And I think they're given parameters by which
Speaker 2: they're not supposed to divulge that they sort of know
Speaker 2: certain things about you. And I said, weird, though I know.
Speaker 2: I said, how is it you know everything about me
Speaker 2: but you don't know my name? Do you know my age?
Speaker 2: I don't know your age? I go, well, when was
Speaker 2: Terry debrou born? And says Terry Debreau was born September fourteenth.
Speaker 2: I mean, I said, okay, but hockey. You didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I go, do you know what's going on right now,
Speaker 2: right this moment in Iran and the US? Do you
Speaker 2: have any idea what's happening right now? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I go, you don't have access to crete, goes. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you asked me specific question. Anyway. I had this
Speaker 2: whole discussion with and you know the biggest problem with
Speaker 2: chatchibt is that it'll tell you anything you wanted to
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to prompt it, don't yes me, I
Speaker 1: want to hear the negative side of things.
Speaker 2: I was asking it about. You know, I had the
Speaker 2: severe back pain I developed the last few days, which
Speaker 2: feels a lot better right now. And I I start
Speaker 2: taking Celebrates. I go, hey, can I take advil when
Speaker 2: I'm on celebrates for breakthrough pain? It's not advisable. You know,
Speaker 2: you should talk to your doctor.
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 2: Finally, I go, we stopped telling me. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a doctor, so stop telling me I need to talk
Speaker 2: to my doctor. Talk to me like I'm a doctor.
Speaker 2: Oh right, you're a doctor, and you know so you
Speaker 2: have to like remind it remind it how to talk
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: What do you think the funniest thing you've ever asked
Speaker 3: chat GBT or the weirdest thing.
Speaker 2: I think I asked for advice about you once.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, how'd that go? Did it work?
Speaker 2: It gives you such sound advice?
Speaker 3: What did you ask it?
Speaker 2: I think you were really mad at me and we
Speaker 2: weren't really talking. It happens, yeah, And I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I really feel like the thing that started this problem,
Speaker 2: I really feel strongly about it. But now it is,
Speaker 2: you know, cycled into something that has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the original problem. And so I said, I can't
Speaker 2: even get back to why I was upset, even though
Speaker 2: anyway it doesn't really matter. It started to give me
Speaker 2: that whole thing. I'm going to shoose you. And I
Speaker 2: want to say I want to see you know what,
Speaker 2: I really like you, but it doesn't really want to
Speaker 2: hear though, no, no, and it doesn't care. And I,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't help become you know, what is
Speaker 2: it called anthropomorphic about it where you say, you know,
Speaker 2: I just think you're really good and thank you very much,
Speaker 2: And you know, if you didn't exist, would you mind?
Speaker 2: I don't care you know it doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Weren't you and I in an argument about not a
Speaker 1: really big argument, but we were like tussling about something,
Speaker 1: and I wrote a response to you from chat GIBT
Speaker 1: showed you the text I was going to send you
Speaker 1: do not remember this, and then you had written one
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: So maybe we can have on my AIG and talk
Speaker 2: to your AI age.
Speaker 3: And we don't have to fight about just let them fight.
Speaker 3: You and I could just go out to dinner.
Speaker 2: That would be nice.
Speaker 3: That would be nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chat GBT is a little too conservative for me.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really understand like what I have to testify
Speaker 2: in court, and I'm reviewing the facts which had GBT
Speaker 2: in my argument, and sometimes it says, you know, well
Speaker 2: that this isn't necessarily exactly the right argument, but I'm
Speaker 2: going there's nothing to do with the argument has to
Speaker 2: do with the understand story of it that you're telling.
Speaker 2: And then you know your truth is different than someone
Speaker 2: else's truth, and it's about convincing someone your truth makes sense.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to do with whether you know factually
Speaker 2: it's exactly because it's also medicine anyway, but whatever, it's
Speaker 2: just experience.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Internet chat, GBT, all of it.
Speaker 1: I just feel like has has taken away the great
Speaker 1: debates that you'd have at dinner or or during a game.
Speaker 1: I remember playing Trivial Pursuit once with our parents, me
Speaker 1: and my sister, and we.
Speaker 3: Won the game. They had lost.
Speaker 1: Based on one question, but it was like an argument
Speaker 1: that was going on and on and that had to
Speaker 1: be looked up and doing decimal systems or something to.
Speaker 3: Figure out what the answer was.
Speaker 1: And now you're like, that's at one second, and then
Speaker 1: you have the answer, and there's the end of the discussion.
Speaker 2: Well, it's removed all people's ability to say, well, they say, yeah,
Speaker 2: who's the theay and that's not true.
Speaker 3: But you have a good word I like called truthiness.
Speaker 2: Yes, truthiness means if it sounds right, maybe it is right.
Speaker 2: But the fact that it may sound right has nothing
Speaker 2: to do necessarily whether it's right or not.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, but like our kids growing up with
Speaker 1: it, it's interesting because they have.
Speaker 3: So much information at their fingertips. But it's also I
Speaker 3: wonder if it just makes you.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I'm you know me, I'm so
Speaker 2: into adopting new technology. I just think that if you're
Speaker 2: not learning everything you possibly can immediately about as a
Speaker 2: state behind the.
Speaker 3: I will tell you. For travel, it is a.
Speaker 1: Game changer, Yeah for me, because well, I plan all
Speaker 1: trips and all of that, and so I will get
Speaker 1: lists from different people, and I you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a much easier way to collate all of the
Speaker 1: recommendations and whatnot that I've heard. Remember, and because chat
Speaker 1: GBT knows me, it'll say, well, that's not really like
Speaker 1: a Heather du Brow vibe or like it really knows
Speaker 1: what I like and what I'd be interested in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's uh, it's it's changing everything.
Speaker 1: We speaking of trips because one of the things that
Speaker 1: I want I was about to start looking up.
Speaker 3: We're going to go to.
Speaker 2: Paris when in September, where are we staying your.
Speaker 3: Or we always say Celine Dion.
Speaker 2: Yes, what happened to stiff person syndrome? She's back to
Speaker 2: see well.
Speaker 3: You know, she sang at the Olympics.
Speaker 2: She seemed completely normal, she.
Speaker 1: Seemed great, she sounded fantastic. Yeah, so she announced ten
Speaker 1: shows in the fall, and we are going to go
Speaker 1: and I am already I mean, as soon as I
Speaker 1: found out I started texting with Brian Kelly, who is
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who you may know is the
Speaker 1: Points guy. He's been on uh you know, my podcast book,
Speaker 1: my previous podcast before it.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 3: He's phenomenal anyway, love him and we're.
Speaker 1: Huge Celein Dion fans and so just so you know,
Speaker 1: So I wanted to see Celine Dion like fIF twenty
Speaker 1: years ago. It was a long time ago, and you
Speaker 1: didn't want to go because you thought she was like
Speaker 1: an overperformer and it was.
Speaker 3: Something of the check. So I so I said, please,
Speaker 3: I really want to go.
Speaker 1: So we went to Caesar's Palace yep, and we went
Speaker 1: to go see Celine Dion and she, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: the most incredible vocalist, most incredible performer, edits every song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like the most talented singer and one of
Speaker 2: all time maybe unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And if something you know about Terry is he loves excellence,
Speaker 1: so even if it's not a subject, he's interested. And
Speaker 1: like I remember when we were in Paris one time
Speaker 1: and we went to the Door Museum, yes, and you
Speaker 1: were like, oh, why are we going to the gr musume?
Speaker 3: And then you loved it.
Speaker 2: I mean I appreciate it, right.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because the story of missieur Dior
Speaker 1: was so interesting, the wars and the things.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we ended up seeing Selene like a handful
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 2: Well, once you realize how incredibly feel I felt like,
Speaker 2: I want I mean idiots. I didn't recognize this before.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get past the whole euro chest dumbing thing
Speaker 2: that she does, and she sort of dances awkwardly.
Speaker 3: I love her. Yeah, it wasn't your thing, but then
Speaker 3: you fell in love with it, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I just I can't.
Speaker 3: I love her, so I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: As soon as I saw that she was playing in Paris,
Speaker 1: which is also one of our favorite places, I was like,
Speaker 1: we're going.
Speaker 2: Well, what's so funny? Is Max my call senior daughter? Yes,
Speaker 2: you know. I used to put her to bed and
Speaker 2: play her because we had ready access by streaming to
Speaker 2: any music, and I would always be in a bed
Speaker 2: playing her my favorite songs in my life. This must
Speaker 2: be a common phenomenon for a lot of parents and
Speaker 2: kids these days because of our easy access to music
Speaker 2: on your phone. But she basically has downloaded all of
Speaker 2: my favorite songs that I played her growing up that
Speaker 2: we just enjoyed together and plays them back for me
Speaker 2: and it's like the greatest Hits soundtrack of my life.
Speaker 2: And she loves it too.
Speaker 3: Is very interesting.
Speaker 1: She is very I mean, we have a lot of
Speaker 1: musical talent in our family on both sides.
Speaker 3: But she's not only a fantastic singer.
Speaker 1: She's got an incredible ear, and she remembers every song
Speaker 1: like you could play her song, but she knows weirdly,
Speaker 1: she knows the lyrics to any song you put on.
Speaker 3: She's just like her brain is a volume.
Speaker 2: So I was on the phone with her yesterday and
Speaker 2: I started playing her because you can share your music
Speaker 2: and your YouTube thing. I was playing her all these
Speaker 2: songs I remember from my early early childhood that I
Speaker 2: never played before, like the Dave Clark five, you know
Speaker 2: the song, because because I love you, you know this.
Speaker 3: I can't tell from that rendition, but I will your
Speaker 3: music with her.
Speaker 2: I shared music and she added that to the sound.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's a.
Speaker 1: Really fun thing to do, which I've been doing in
Speaker 1: the gym lately because I'm trying to lift heavy and
Speaker 1: I hate it, so I need something to distract me.
Speaker 3: I will pick one.
Speaker 2: Song and play it over and over again.
Speaker 1: No I have done that before, but no, I will
Speaker 1: pick a song and ask for that radio, like on Spotify.
Speaker 3: So like I really like that Beatles song Blackbird.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so I'll put Blackbird Beatles Blackbird radio. Oh,
Speaker 1: and it'll just play you tons of It'll play that
Speaker 1: song and then tons of seconds that are.
Speaker 3: Like it that you would enjoy. So I find if
Speaker 3: you're in the mood for a certain kind of.
Speaker 1: Vibe, oh, this would be good for sexy time. We
Speaker 1: never thought to do that. But if you pick one
Speaker 1: song that's like the vibeeah, then you could put on
Speaker 1: that radio and it'll just play you stuff.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I will play one song over and over over
Speaker 2: and over that. I have two songs that are might
Speaker 2: when I'm doing what's your go to? One is Thunderstruck
Speaker 2: by A C. D. C.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so you.
Speaker 2: It's so if you want to work out, Thunderstruck. And
Speaker 2: then the other is a Highway Star by Deep Purple.
Speaker 2: We nobody gonna race my car, gonna drive it to
Speaker 2: the grand musical talent. Do you know this song? You
Speaker 2: know what the bummer is, big, Big, bummer that my
Speaker 2: brother passed away before the kids grew up, because they
Speaker 2: would have loved him.
Speaker 3: I know he would have loved them.
Speaker 2: He would have loved them, and they would have found
Speaker 2: him to be so interesting and so cool. And you know,
Speaker 2: you know how you can be like an a whole
Speaker 2: father but a great grandfather or uncle. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: an a whole brother, but he would have been the
Speaker 2: greatest uncle. Yeah, he would have been so cool.
Speaker 3: All right, Well that was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah,