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Speaker 1: You are the pineapple to my mo named.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to No Dunks in NBA Basketball podcast

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Speaker 2: on the Athletic Podcasting Network. Whether you're with us in

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Speaker 2: the stream team live on YouTube right now, we're listening

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Speaker 2: to the podcast a little bit later on any of

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Speaker 2: these various platforms. Thank you very much. I'm Trey Kirby

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Speaker 2: and joining me today in the Classic Factory. It's tas Mellis.

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Speaker 3: It's the most wonderful time of the year. I don't

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Speaker 3: care if it's a subpar draft tray. It feels like.

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Speaker 2: It feels like Christmas. Yeah, it feels like Christmas here,

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Speaker 2: especially in Atlanta. We got the man behind the boards

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Speaker 2: making the magic happ in JD.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hey, good.

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Speaker 2: To see you man. No skeets today, but we do

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Speaker 2: have a special guest, senior NBA columnist for The Athletic

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Speaker 2: and fellow Atlanta area resident, somehow keeping cool this week.

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Speaker 2: It's John Hollinger.

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Speaker 1: Are you sure I'm keeping cool? I'm just telling you

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the dark the rest of the day

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Speaker 1: after I'm done here, I'm turning all the lights off

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Speaker 1: and just getting in an ice bath or something.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if you want to come down to the swimming pool. John,

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Speaker 2: just let me know they put in a diving board

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Speaker 2: this year. If you want to go one for one

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Speaker 2: on cannonballs.

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Speaker 1: Nice, Nice, I might have to take you up on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, you're here to educate us about the NBA draft,

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Speaker 2: maybe talk a little free agency. But I know you're

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Speaker 2: watching Game seven of the Stanley Cup Final last night.

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Speaker 2: What did you think about the Consmith Trophy going to

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Speaker 2: a player from the losing team.

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Speaker 1: I am totally fine with it because the con smythe

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Speaker 1: trophy is for the entirety of the playoffs and not

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Speaker 1: just the finals.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, he does it well, they do well. It

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Speaker 2: could be an NBA Award someday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Gotta find another Celtic to name it after, though, But uh,

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Speaker 2: Connor McDavid. He won the consmth Trophy. He was an

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Speaker 2: easy number one draft picked. Then here's a segue for you.

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Speaker 2: Not an easy number one draft pick in this year's draft,

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Speaker 2: is there? John? You just released your top seventy five

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Speaker 2: players on the athletic go and check that one out.

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Speaker 2: Your tier one, the top tier for this draft was

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Speaker 2: called best bets in a bad class. I started laughing

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Speaker 2: right there. Just how bad is this draft? If you're

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Speaker 2: leading with these guys stink, but they're the best ones.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like, if we could just start this

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Speaker 1: Like the top five picks are already gone, and now

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Speaker 1: and here's who we're choosing from.

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Speaker 3: Where are the Hawks gonna do with the number one pick? John?

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Speaker 3: Are they gonna go with a fancy Frenchman? Because it

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Speaker 3: is fun to say those names for now, Alexandra Sar,

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Speaker 3: Zacharieve Sage. I know I'm saying it with that French accent.

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Speaker 3: We just talked about hockey. I grew up in candidates.

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Speaker 3: It's hard not to. Or are they gonna go with

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Speaker 1: I think what the Hawks would really like to do

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Speaker 1: excited about Reach. It feels almost like he fits better.

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Speaker 2: I know that that's the case. In Sam Vescini's latest

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Speaker 2: mock draft for The Athletic, the same for Jonathan Gavoni.

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Speaker 2: Over a ESPN you mentioned Alex Sar. He hasn't yet

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times we weren't really drafting

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Speaker 2: With sor Yeah, it seems who knows. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: that the Hawks could actually trade back. We don't see

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Speaker 1: No, we don't.

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Speaker 2: The last one I think was the Tatum Folds draft, right,

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Speaker 1: Is Houston trading three to one? Did their team people

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Speaker 3: Well, let's stay on that Atlanta Hawks thought train there

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Speaker 3: because we're in mediocre land here in Atlanta. We've watched

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Speaker 3: Trey here in year six and I know you wrote

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Speaker 3: Mediocre Land just another five hundred type team, But they've

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Speaker 3: got so many guys that are invested in John in

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Speaker 3: Down mcdonvic soon to be Jalen Johnson. I just gotta

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Speaker 3: could it be somebody else like you mentioned a Clint Capella.

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Speaker 1: Did they trade John Collins yet?

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Speaker 3: I know that went under the radar?

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Speaker 1: Did that happen? Did that finally happen? Yeah, it's they

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I think basically the crux of

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Speaker 1: You know, once their draft was done, that was a wrap.

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Speaker 1: I think the first domino is still Trey and Dejonte.

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Speaker 1: That seemingly one of them needs to go because that's

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Speaker 2: How about vit Crachie. I know you're a big fan

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Speaker 1: I actually held myself back from starting with him and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm holding myself back seeing that twenty three Hawks

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Speaker 3: but he did wear thirty two last year. And I

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Speaker 3: was going to say, come on, they sign Wesley Matthews.

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Speaker 1: This is as as an in season tournament enthusiast, this

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Speaker 1: is the atl jersey for the twenty three in season tournament.

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Speaker 3: We go, oh wow.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't. It wasn't for any particular player.

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Speaker 3: That's all we got going for us here the N

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Speaker 2: That's all we got playing team won the N Season

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Speaker 2: Tournament last year, So maybe it could happen again this year. John,

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Speaker 2: I teased this. I said, I was gonna ask you

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Speaker 2: the dumbest question of the entire twenty twenty four draft cycle.

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Speaker 2: So here it is. I see that Ron Holland was

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Speaker 2: Ron Holland sounds kind of like John Hollander? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: told you it was dumb.

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Speaker 1: Man, Wow, you didn't.

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Speaker 2: Think it was gonna be that dumb. I mean for

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Speaker 3: Let's get to some Zach Edy talk, John because I

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be Dan o'chara.

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Speaker 3: Nice, nice, yes, said Dan o char reference. Very well

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Speaker 3: where do you think that Eadie should be drafted? If

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Speaker 1: So I have him, I had him like twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: The one thing with Sacramento like they want to play fast, right,

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Speaker 1: And there's this divergence with college centers, right because the

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Speaker 1: he going to be able to you know, have more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was interested on your big board that you

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Speaker 2: even just put all of them into one big tier

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Why is it more that the bus potential is so

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Speaker 1: This center position has become devalued. Yeah, because you can

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Speaker 1: there are other things you can do. You can take

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Speaker 1: You can uh do different things to junk up the

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Speaker 1: in all kinds of matchups in a playoff series is

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Speaker 1: some ways because the center position there's a there's a

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that the the value in the

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Speaker 1: this there's always this constraint that you can only have

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Speaker 1: the draft tends to really tilt that way.

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Speaker 2: Gone are the days of Mark Desol and Zach Randolph.

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Speaker 2: Am I right.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny when we were actually talking about that,

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Speaker 1: when at Mark's Jersey retirement, I was talking about that

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Speaker 2: I saw some of Randolph's perimeter possessions back when he

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Speaker 2: was a New York Knick. Maybe you could have developed

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Speaker 2: the game there. That could have been somewhere. But uh,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned that everybody's looking for these guys that are six'

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Speaker 2: five to six, nine switchable, defenders can kind of do.

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Speaker 2: Everything and there's definitely a bunch of wings in this.

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Speaker 2: Draft you got the couple of guys From Theick knight

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Speaker 2: In holland And, boozellos and then you've got Like Stefan,

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Speaker 2: Castle Cody, Williams Devin Carter, dalton connect outside Of, holland

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Speaker 2: who's number one on your? Board is there one of

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Speaker 2: these wings that you see being really successful in THE.

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Speaker 2: NBA i really Like Stefan castle From. Connecticut who IS i,

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Speaker 2: mean he's six.' six i know he's talked to himself

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Speaker 1: Point guard maybe he can play POINT but i like

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Speaker 1: a secondary ball. HANDLER too i think. HE defends i

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Speaker 1: think he Showed at yukon he can play, a role

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Speaker 1: come in and play. A ROLE but i also think

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Speaker 1: he has more in his bag than he was able

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Speaker 1: to show there that he can be a good pick

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Speaker 1: and role player and if the shot, comes around he's

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Speaker 1: almost like A Mini paul george AND so i think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of upside there with also a pretty.

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Speaker 1: Decent FLOOR so i have him number two on.

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Speaker 2: My, board yeah that WAS something i was wanting to ask.

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Speaker 2: You too when you're doing all this, evaluation stuff can

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Speaker 2: you see a Guy Like stefan castle WHO'S saying I

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Speaker 2: was i'm a, POINT guard i played point guard in.

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Speaker 2: going on with the guy in? High school because, To me, i'm, like,

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Speaker 2: well yeah you were a player who was able to

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Speaker 2: would have given you the ball to bring it up

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's. IT'S different, i mean some of these

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Speaker 1: i mean you've seen enough of his of his Reps at,

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Speaker 2: Secondary, Guy yeah i'm still a little Burned On, patrick

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Speaker 2: WILLIAMS who i heard could have been a point guard,

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Speaker 2: as well and that guy he's not doing a ton

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Speaker 2: EVALUATION question i had, for you kind of relating to

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Speaker 2: a Guy Like mantes bozzellis who has a nice, looking

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Speaker 2: The time whereas you'll have other Players Like. Cody williams

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Speaker 2: forty percent from three on very limited attempts during his,

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Speaker 2: college season which is more important having an ugly shot

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Speaker 1: A shooter that's actually a topic of some debate because

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Speaker 1: That's fixable the, other, thing though is that just looking

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Speaker 1: things we found is that shooters tell on themselves a

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Speaker 1: little bit by how frequently they shoot. From three, you

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Speaker 1: lot of times good shooters will just take more shots

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Speaker 3: Civil question, For, you john which team is most likely

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Speaker 3: to make a trade At.

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Speaker 1: THE draft i would Say either Houston. Or memphis.

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Speaker 2: It Might be houston trading. With, men yeah it seems

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Speaker 3: There yeah and one guy you, Just Mentioned. Paul george

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Speaker 3: derek White Or drew holiday type. Of Player and i'm

435
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 3: fascinated By The bronnie james story because it's such a heart. Warming,

436
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 3: story obviously the cardiac arrest that he's recovered from less

437
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 3: than a, year ago And Now rich paul coming out,

438
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 3: and saying he said, to me he just wants to.

439
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 3: Get drafted he doesn't care about where he, gets drafted

440
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 3: even though he's reportedly just working out For the lakers And.

441
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: The suns it's a. Great story where do you think?

442
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: HE goes i know we've we kind of jump all

443
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: over the place with where a player will be drafted

444
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: in this type, Of draft but is there an idea

445
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 3: For Where bronnie james will end up.

446
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: Pick number fifty five To The Los angeles lakers.

447
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: Locking in It's very it's very odd when.

448
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: You like you feel more confident about pick fifty five

449
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: than pick one the day before. The draft.

450
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: It's like an anti smoke Screen the lakers Potentially Drafting.

451
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: Bronnie james it's a fan, you know you clear out

452
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: all the smoke in. THE way i saw that you

453
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: Did have bronni IN your i do not. Get It tier,

454
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,719
Speaker 2: TIER thirteen i believe pretty low rated Down with Tristan,

455
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: da SILVA who i kind of thought was going to

456
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: show up as one of. Your, sleepers john you, have

457
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: sleepers you have one, super sleeper and you have. Quasi

458
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: sleepers all three. Separate tiers my first question is what

459
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: makes somebody a quasi sleeper versus just a. Regular sleeper.

460
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: The regular sleepers are the ones who got into my,

461
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: top TWENTY so i feel a little better about, those

462
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: Guys So OsO Igadaro And. Trey alexander and then my

463
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: super sleeper WAS because i wasn't even sure he was

464
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: going to keep his name in the draft because he

465
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: was that much of. A sleeper and Then That's jonathan

466
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Muggo From. San francisco and then the, next year like

467
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: my quasi sleepers, are, like, YEAH yeah i could see,

468
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: it happen, work, Yeo, man Yeah but i'm maybe not

469
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: like totally totally, feeling it but, like, Yeah OKAY like

470
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: I Had bob, carrington there who's actually moved up quite,

471
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: a bit it, seems like and now it's probably gonna

472
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: go higher. Than That tyler smith hasn't quite gotten. HIS

473
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: due i don't think he had a good year For

474
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: g league. Ag night there's like Some Some christian wood

475
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: similarities in.

476
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: His game if he can be.

477
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: A better defender, THAN would i think he'll be a really.

478
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: Useful player and.

479
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: Then, Calm daddier, okay again killing with killing with the Accents.

480
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: Bred france Playing in germany, RIGHT now i think he's

481
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: been a little underrated through.

482
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: This as he stashed kind. Of guy or is he coming?

483
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: OVER immediately i.

484
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: THINK yeah i mean you don't really see first round

485
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: picks get stashed. THESE days i think he'd, come, OVER

486
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: right i think he'd come. Over immediately are there any

487
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: other mystery men to know about in? This DRAFT like

488
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: I Know Nicola tapach topitch has the partially Torn acl

489
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: he was a guy who was a potential number one

490
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: pick and now you know he's talked about As a. Spurs.

491
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: Guy Potentially tejon salon seems to Be the french. Mystery

492
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: men is there anybody else out there who is kind

493
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: of off the radar?

494
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: RIGHT now i don't Know If juan nuniez is quite off,

495
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: the radar but he's he's an interesting player who hasn't

496
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: been talked about. That much kind of a, FLASHY yeah

497
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: i don't know if flashy is the, right word but

498
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: a point guard who can, really pass really unathletic and

499
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: that has turned some. People off needs to shoot the,

500
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: ball better but he's he's got good size, and again really.

501
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: Tremendous passer just needs to fill out some other elements in.

502
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: HIS game i think he's a guy who might be

503
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: a stash pick and taken in. The thirties Sounds Like

504
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: andre miller kind.

505
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: Of clone that's A comparison i would have liked to

506
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: see in your, draft, profiles BECAUSE like, i said That

507
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: left shremp. Was amazing there was a Couple Of christian,

508
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: wood MENTIONS which i don't know if you're excited about

509
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: that if you're drafted. That Guy But christian wood at

510
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: his best man when he was Going. TO dallas i

511
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: thought he was going to Be six man Of the

512
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: year if you can get. That guy how much do

513
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: you care about the comps or are you doing this

514
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: for us late folk who don't know what we're really? Looking?

515
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: At here you're.

516
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: Trying trying i'm trying to draw a picture. For people

517
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: so that's that's Usually what i'm trying to do with

518
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: the with, the comps because you always go back and

519
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: look at ten years and just laugh hysterically at.

520
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: The.

521
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: Comps, yeah Usually except i'll give. One exception my Comp

522
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: For derek lively last Year Was, tyson CHANDLER and i

523
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: think that one is, cash money.

524
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: Pretty good. Pretty good What About, Baylor shireman is that

525
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: guy gonna? GET drafted i like watching him when he

526
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: Played For South. Dakota state we always take an interest

527
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: in The. Jack rabbits he obviously went and Played for

528
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: creighton for a couple. Of years he's about our age at,

529
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: this point but seems like he could play IN. The,

530
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: nba yeah and he was really good at the.

531
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: COMBINE too i think he's going to go toward the

532
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: back end of the, first round like the picks twenty

533
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: five through thirty somewhere. In there that's where usually you

534
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: know where the better teams are picking where. It got,

535
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: you know they want a guy who can maybe be

536
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: closer to helping them u, versus being, you know more of,

537
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: a project and so he can really. Shoot it he's a,

538
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: plus rebounder he can do some stuff handling. THE ball

539
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: i think he's he's an interesting guy once you get

540
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: to that part of.

541
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: The, draft okay so it sounds like you're interested in

542
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: the end of the, First round but what about the?

543
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: Second round will you be Watching on day two OF The,

544
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: nba draft which is just the, second draft will you

545
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: be paying attention?

546
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: To?

547
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: That, Oh, Absolutely YEAH and i love that it's five

548
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: minutes between, PICKS now i mean on the, team side

549
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: two minutes. BETWEEN picks i don't know if y'all realize

550
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: how insane, that was right to just like track because

551
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: these picks are getting, traded too so like you're trying

552
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: to track down who even has the pick before you

553
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: can call them to make an offer for the, you

554
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: know for the pick if you want, the pick and

555
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: and so it was really. Quite hectic and then the

556
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: the other, nice thing so this is going to be

557
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: four in, The afternoon easter time that the second, Round

558
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: runs so there's this whole after party when the, draft

559
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: ends where you're signing guys for. Summer league you're signing.

560
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: Two ways, you know you're dealing with all the guys

561
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: who didn't, get drafted and that goes until the wee

562
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: hours of the or back of the day would go

563
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: until the wee hours of. The morning now it's just it's,

564
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: a nice civilized two. Day Process so i'm glad they

565
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: did for the people who work in the, League's sake

566
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: i'm glad they.

567
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: Did, this yeah and it probably increases the likeliness of

568
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: trades happening in between rounds one and two. As well

569
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: just more conversations HAPPENING then, i assume, Absolutely right and

570
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: so THE party i guess doesn't start till after, day

571
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: two but the conversations begin after.

572
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: DAY one, i imagine, uh yeah yeah for, those yeah

573
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: for those second round, picks especially and then, we're gonna,

574
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: you know we're going. To see the other thing is

575
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: teams can negotiate with their own free agents And teams,

576
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: I'VE yeah i of course would have never, done this

577
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: but some teams have negotiated with other teams free Agents before.

578
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: July First what.

579
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I've heard stories about, it anyway and so you're going

580
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: to see some of. THAT too i think like, some

581
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: teams as soon as that first, rounds in, they're gonna,

582
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: you know get on the phone and work on their

583
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: side hustle and free agency because it's a really quick turnaround.

584
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: This year so even the likeliness of a bigger trade could,

585
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: be heightened right like with actual players that are on,

586
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: it CURRENTLY on, NBA rosters, i imagine just, because yeah

587
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: just because, You're, there yeah.

588
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: We're going to see. Some, TRADES well. I, hope so

589
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: because the LAST thing i was kind of Curious about

590
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: john was if you kind of wrapped your head around

591
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: THE new cba that's going into effect and The first

592
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: apron And second, apron rules which are very restrictive for

593
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: what these teams that are spending so much money, can

594
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: trade can sign. Free agents is that going to put

595
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: a damper on things during the draft during free agency

596
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: this summer as teams kind of figure out where the

597
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: loopholes are and what kind of moves they can, Actually

598
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: pull it is going to put a damper on some

599
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: of the trading because there are some teams who just

600
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: that their possibilities are so constrained.

601
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Now they may end up doing smaller deals than the

602
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: types of deals we would have seen in. The past

603
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: so that that could be part of. It too, you

604
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: know you can't aggregate and you can and you can

605
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: only take back less than you. Sent out so now

606
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about doing trades with guys more towards the

607
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: back end of. Your roster maybe it's just a different

608
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of mentality for. THE trades i think we could

609
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: see more kind of small fry deals because of that

610
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: exciting times.

611
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: Tasty, STUFF yeah i could have some small fries. Right

612
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: now getting a.

613
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: Little hungry so it sounds like we know about the fifty.

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: Fifth pick we know the first pick is, gonna happen

615
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: and who's gonna? Make it maybe is there anything else

616
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: we should be looking forward To on? Draft, Night john.

617
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what happens with all these older

618
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: players because there's an unusual number of them in, this

619
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: draft and historically drafting old has not been the way.

620
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: To go there are multiple twenty three year olds projected

621
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: in the first round. This year when you Look At,

622
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Dalton connect Tristan, Da Silva, tyler kolek there's one other

623
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: Whose Name i'm i'm, Blanking On Oh, baylor shireman excuse me?

624
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Your faith so, you know how will those guys where

625
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: will where? Will where will they? Be picked and how

626
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: will those guys pan out after. They're picked i'm really

627
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: interested in that whole story because the underlying thing is

628
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: that these some of these, college guys because OF the,

629
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: covid year because OF, the nil a lot more guys

630
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: stayed in college for five years than would have in.

631
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: The past and so we're getting a lot more twenty

632
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: three yeroles in. The draft we're gonna see it really

633
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: in the second, round especially and, what happens what is

634
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: their trajectory IN THE nba i think is a really

635
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: interesting story.

636
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: To follow, all right go Check out john's draft. Big

637
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 2: board it's At. The, athletic now you've also got a

638
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: whole bunch of free agency stuff dropping this week throughout.

639
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: The week your rankings there before we let, you go

640
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: what Should the bulls Do? With derosen, you, know here here's.

641
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: The thing if you're Trading For, josh giddy the thing

642
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: you really need to do is have like the shooting.

643
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Around Him So giddy DeRozan is a really odd fit.

644
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: To me, and uh then the other thing that's tied

645
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: into that is With with DeRozan And With, patrick williams

646
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: who they just made the qualifying offer on if they're

647
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to keep both, of them, AND uh i presume

648
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to spend into the. Luxury, tax uh there's,

649
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: you know based on there's some historical precedent for me, saying,

650
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: this right and so how are they gonna gonna manage

651
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: all that with their cap especially if if like if

652
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: they're going to Do a, Levigne, trade well now you're

653
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: trading your best shooter off of, The team so now

654
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: you have even, less shooting and how are you going to?

655
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Backfill that.

656
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: Exciting Times. In chicago, can't wait, Can't, wait john thank you.

657
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: So much i'll see you at the pool in a.

658
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: Couple hours that. Sounds great as, for us we're going

659
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: to talk about some more basketball stuff in The. Updown report.

660
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: There was a lot going on IN, the nba so

661
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: let's do it In The. Updown report many. Many topics,

662
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: First topic kenny. Is Back kenny atkinson is named head

663
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: coach Of The. Cleveland cavaliers according, to reports it'll happen

664
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: soon as the contract, is good. It'll happen kenny last

665
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: coach With The brooklyn nets as a head coach in.

666
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty he left the team After The Kevin durant

667
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: kyrie everything didn't. Work out he when was an assistant

668
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: With the clippers and Then the warriors for. Several years

669
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: he said no To The charlotte, hornets job but now

670
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: he Is the calves. Head coach, soon anyway up down

671
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: On the Cavaliers Hiring kenny atkinson as their, head, Coach,

672
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: Strip yeah.

673
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm up, on this and yeah you Mentioned. THE hornets

674
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: i guess he did say yes to the job before then,

675
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: say no, AND honestly i would rather Have This cleveland

676
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: cavalier's job with the talent that they have There, In, Mitchell,

677
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: garland Mobley. And alan we'll see what ends up Happening

678
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: with Mitchell, and Garland Though jason lloyd just Reported At

679
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: the Athletic that mitchell is expected any day now to

680
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 2: sign a lucrative extension to Remain. In cleveland So Maybe

681
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: Kenny Atkinson donovan mitchell not necessarily a, package deal but at.

682
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: Least encouraging And From jason, lloyd's reporting this was apparently

683
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: it came Down To kenny Atkinson And, james barrego and

684
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: it's quite Likely That dan gilbert stepped in as the

685
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: governor AT the kas, And said i'm more Interested In.

686
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: Kenny ATKINSON and i think that's fair because one of

687
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: the things you saw when the report Broke That kenny

688
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: atkinson was going to be the Guy. FOR cleveland woj

689
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: mentioned that this was going to be Huge For evan.

690
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: MOBLE development i think that is key For. The Cavaliers

691
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: kenny atkinson gets a lot of credit For Turning al

692
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: Horford And brook lopez into three, point shooters guys that

693
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: had good touch and were able to expand their game

694
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: out to. The perimeter that's obviously gonna be Huge For

695
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: evan mobley. Going forward he's also got a Relationship With

696
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: jared Allen And kris lavert from his time There. In brooklyn,

697
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: SO yeah i think this. IS good i think definitely

698
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: an UPGRADE. From Jb.

699
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: Bicker, steph yeah You Said. Jared allen part of the

700
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: reason why he was let go slash Resigned from brooklyn

701
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: was because he wanted To Start jared Allen Over, DeAndre

702
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: Jordan But kevin Durant And, kyie irving who had just

703
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: signed there that was their, first season didn't. Like that

704
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: he just wanted to go to the more. Talented players

705
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: so he's got that. Relationship SURE what i also like

706
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: is that he spent years With The Golden, state warriors

707
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: who Obviously Made steph, curry excel and so he saw

708
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: how guards played Together in Steph and clay and that

709
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: bodes Well For, donovan mitchell who seemingly has approved this

710
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: Signing And, darius garland which is another key Here which

711
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: i'm at. Four guys they think they have four talented Guys,

712
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: in Mitchell, in Garland in Allen, and mobley and so

713
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: to get the most Out Of, Darius Scarland kenny atkinson

714
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: is going to have that on, his BACK and i

715
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: think like he got the most Out Of dangel Russell

716
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: in brooklyn in his. YOUNGER days i know it's, you

717
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: Know It's, dangel russell and it didn't work out all,

718
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: that well but that was The Best. Dangel RUSSELL and

719
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: i know he Made An All star game and that's

720
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: Just An all. Star GAME but i think he Was

721
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: with this is going to be a second attempt as

722
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: being a head coach essentially and being With The Golden

723
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 3: state warriors and a class organization has got. To help

724
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: and so this is the guy again he said no

725
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: To The charlotte, hornet job, declined IT which i. Get

726
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: It The charlotte hornets should be. More popular they're not

727
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: as a basketball team IN, The NBA so i get why.

728
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 3: He left, You Know steve clifford. Also left it's an interesting.

729
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: Scenario THERE but i just do think those years off

730
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: probably helped a. Little bit and That Whole Kevin Durant

731
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: kyrie irving thing that just wasn't all that Fair For.

732
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: Kenny ATKINSON so i think this is a good second attempt.

733
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: For, him yeah everybody was a fan Of What kenny,

734
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 2: atkinson did when he was With The, brooklyn nets getting

735
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: that ragtag bunch to the playoffs and getting the best

736
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: performances out of Guys Like, Karris Lavert jared allen was

737
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: his breakout seasons were There in Brooklyn With kenny atkinson as,

738
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: the coach and then You Mentioned. DiAngelo russell he did

739
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: make an all star team that was the best he's.

740
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: Ever been probably the one piece that was missing was like, Superstar,

741
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: Relationships right so you Go To golden state where they've

742
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: got some, huge names you feel and figure out what

743
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: those guys are like, in person, you know in the.

744
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: Locker ROOM so i think this is a good move For,

745
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: the CAVALIERS though i will say it was a little

746
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: Odd That donovan Mitchell And darius garland were not mentioned

747
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: at all when they were talking about why they Went After.

748
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: Kenny atkinson it was because of the Development, of mobley

749
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: the relationships with The previous. Nets guys it felt kind

750
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: of to me Like the cavs weren't willing to commit

751
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: to saying both of these guys are gonna, Be here

752
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: and Apparently With jason lloyd Reporting about mitchell signing, an

753
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Extension maybe garland will be on. The move we.

754
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: Shall, see yeah that's interesting. They, did yeah shove him.

755
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: In There as schum's, Reported Initially kenny atkins, Is Coming

756
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: donovan mitchell. Is staying he also reported that. As well

757
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: so it sure feels like they wanted to make sure

758
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: that everybody Knew That donovid mitchell has come back and

759
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: they aren't being forced to sign him or. Trade him,

760
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: excuse me and just because they signed him doesn't mean

761
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: they won't trade him down. The ROAD but I Think

762
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: kenny atkins said is going to try And make Mitchell

763
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: and garland work as much as possible in. That backcourt

764
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: but he's got some a heavy job here, as well

765
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: because he's got To Make evan mobiley work at the,

766
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: four spot because we always Talked About. Evan mobile we

767
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: just talked about these Centers With. John hollinger he would

768
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: thrive as. The five he would be so Great If

769
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: jared allen, wasn't there and he did and he was.

770
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: Really good so it's really interesting to see how those.

771
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: Two Work and i'm sure is out there working on

772
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: that three point shot right now to spread the floor

773
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: as much, as possible because he did improve. On that

774
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: but it is interesting just that dynamic of those guys

775
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: because they are talented and it's gonna be Up to

776
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: kenny to make that.

777
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: All. Work yeah lot going on For the cavs.

778
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: This, summer yeah, NEXT topic a lot going on With

779
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: The Los. Angeles lakers it's been a roller coast as

780
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: to who they were going to sign as their. Head

781
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: coach well. It's happened IT.

782
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: IS. J.

783
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: J reddick after an introductory press, conference yesterday which was,

784
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: also exciting he said these. Three things he said he

785
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: Talked To anthony davis about being, the hub the center of.

786
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: Their offense he said he will not be podcasting at,

787
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: all now that's not going to be part of the mix.

788
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: At all and he was asked about misconceptions, of him,

789
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 3: HE said i don't give. A bleep i don't. Even

790
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: care Up down trey On the LAKERS Hiring jj reddick as.

791
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: HEAD coach i.

792
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: Gotta be up on THIS because jj himself said that

793
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: he has been excommunicated from the. Content space so great

794
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: news for us because we're gonna be flying up the

795
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: podcast rankings With old man in the three and mind

796
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: the game coming to.

797
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: An end, OH yeah i didn't realize we're.

798
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: Moving up just, like that. Simple stuff so thank you

799
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: very much To the LAKERS and UH To. JJ redick

800
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: i also wonders that the most times that a coach

801
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: has ever said IN the f word in his introductory,

802
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: YES conference.

803
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: I would have, to, THINK yeah i gotta.

804
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: Say. Yes yeah i'm interested to SEE what, jj does

805
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: because clearly he's a smart guy. Basketball wise he's. Hard

806
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: working the guy's podcasting and broadcasting all the time up.

807
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: Until now he said IN his uh, press conference he's gonna.

808
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: Use math He's got Lebron and ad on. His side

809
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: these are all, IMPORTANT things i think For, the lakers

810
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: since they've been a bottom five three point shooting team.

811
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: Last season he says He wants lebron to shoot more

812
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: threes after he shot forty one percent the best of.

813
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: His career that's a good way to save his body

814
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: a little bit and Still allow lebron to take over.

815
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: When necessary then he also mentioned that He Wants anthony

816
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: davis involved as a hub of, the offense kind of Shouting,

817
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: Out Jokic. Demonta sabonis that's definitely not something we've Seen From.

818
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: Anthony davis really, skilled player, great defender. Great scorer how

819
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: is he as? A creator i guess we're going to.

820
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: Find out it was curious to, me though that he

821
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: didn't Mention D'Angelo Russell Or jared vanderbilt mentioned basically all the,

822
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: Other Guys, Ruey Hachamura, Austin Reied's, Max Christy Jalen, hood

823
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: schaffino younger guys On. The lakers But maybe Dilo and

824
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: vando are still kind, of uh. You know but at

825
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: the VERY least i, think that, you know for all

826
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: the zeroing in and zeroing out and zeroing back IN,

827
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: on jj this seems like it was going to be,

828
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: the choice even if They're saying lebron had nothing to

829
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: do WITH. M, m yeah it will be interesting to

830
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: See if Dilo and vando will be On THE outso

831
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: i am searching right now who WAS At jj redix

832
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: press conference because there were.

833
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: Players There gave vincent. WAS there i don't have the

834
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: list in front, of ME but i just Remember. GAVE

835
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: vincent i Guess because I'm A gabe vincent fan and

836
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: THAT'S why i. Remember that but it was a bunch

837
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: of the smaller. Name players lebron and ad were. Not

838
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 3: THERE but i, do think as you just Mentioned About,

839
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: anthony davis sort of Being the jokchesque hub of. THE

840
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 3: offense i kind of LOOK At jj redick and watching

841
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: him broadcast and podcasts throughout these, three years it reminds

842
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: me a little Bit Of steve kerr And How steve

843
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: kerr he was in the front office Of The, phoenix

844
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: suns but then was JUST a tnt broadcaster and saw

845
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 3: it from a, different PERSPECTIVE and i think THAT Helped

846
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: jj reddick just simply look at coaching a, different way

847
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: look at basketball a, different WAY and I See steve

848
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: kerr in that. Same light and that's What the warriors

849
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: were as a hub. For them It wasn't staph bringing the.

850
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: Ball up that's what. He Changed For, mark jackson It

851
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: Was draymond green a lot of the time and just

852
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 3: those guys flying. Around, HIM so, i mean this is

853
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: a very different Team Because lebron james is on this.

854
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: Freaking team so it's a different it's a, different hub

855
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: but it is a similar idea that we have space

856
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: that we're covering with all. These shooters let's get a

857
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: center that can find Everybody And, ANTHONY davis i think

858
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: we'll be willing to to make trades and we're going

859
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 3: to see a lot of great. Court MAPPING as jj

860
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: said on the podcast and on the broadcast, as well

861
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: he is just coached. His kid he's coached his son

862
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: and that's all. He's done so people were easy to,

863
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: ridicule this this guy, head coach he's never. Coached before

864
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: we don't know how he. WILL do i honestly, don't

865
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: KNOW but i do think the experience of just being

866
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: on the, other side getting interviewed for a bunch of

867
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: head coaches has helped him and. Given him it's just

868
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: the prospect of how hard it is to be a.

869
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: Head coach it's gonna be, freaking HARD and i think

870
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: just stepping away for a few years probably helps him.

871
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: See that but he obviously wants to take on, that

872
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: challenge so that'll. Be Fun, it's la so that's a

873
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: it's a. Big challenge we just talked About like charlotte and,

874
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: He talked he Talked. To Toronto joe missoula wanted him

875
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 3: to be an, assistant coach asked him on the. Golf

876
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 3: course ACCORDING To jj reddick in the, Publicatory podcast.

877
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: But this is.

878
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: Another, level yeah This. Is la so it's going to

879
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: be a lot of questions like. THAT one i just

880
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: mentioned about how do you feel about these misconceptions? Of

881
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: you and, right away as, YOU said i don't give up.

882
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: Right away the first, press conference it felt LIKE a

883
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 3: ufc press conference in a way because everybody's everybody's, BLEEPING

884
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: well i shouldn't. Say that Not everybody ruppelinka did, NOT

885
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 3: swear i, don't THINK but jj was and he was okay.

886
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: With. IT yeah jj had some GREAT lines i thought

887
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: at the. Press conference he was, basically, SAYING yeah i

888
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: wasn't mad That the lakers were Talking To. Dan hurley

889
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: he's a TWO time ncaa Champion and i'm a two

890
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: time Fifty Five Swiss youth. LEAGUE champion i thought that was.

891
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: Very funny he seems to be at least pretty self

892
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: aware about where he stands. In things and it's gonna

893
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: be a pressure pack SITUATION for jj Because the lakers

894
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: did not have a. Great roster, you know they're going

895
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: to be Bringing back lebron and it seems to me

896
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: like they'll Bring Back austin reeves and some of these other,

897
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: younger guys but clearly they're going to want to upgrade

898
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: the roster and they're gonna need to if they actually

899
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: want to be able to challenge for another Championship while

900
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: lebron's still little at the very tail end of. HIS

901
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: prime i guess his prime is just gonna. Never end

902
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: the one guy who retires at the end of his

903
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: prime because he's forty two.

904
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 3: Years, old yeah turning Forty on, December Thirtieth LEBRON.

905
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 2: James jj he is Older than, Lebron though oh yeah

906
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: by months?

907
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: Or?

908
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: What yeah literally by MONTHS because i guess it was

909
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: JJ's fortieth birthday yesterday And the laker has got him

910
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: a coaching job for. His birthday lebron doesn't turn forty

911
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: until the end of.

912
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: This year was there a cake at the? PRESS conference i.

913
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: Didn't, realize no he's got to come On Our summer

914
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: league show to get.

915
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Exactly we know how to, do that, all right next,

916
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: topic here speaking of pressure, Pack Situation scottie barnes is

917
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: getting paid From The. Toronto Raptors the raptors Have Kept

918
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: scotty barnes for the, long term a five year max

919
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: deal which will be between two hundred and twenty five

920
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: and two hundred and, seventy million depending on if he'll

921
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: Make THE all nba this. Next SEASON and i call

922
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: it pressure pack because he is the number, one guy

923
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: clearly the number one. Guy here so up down On

924
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 3: the Raptors Signing scotty barnes to a FIVE year. Max Extension, tray.

925
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: Oh this is an. Easy up it's what likely to be,

926
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: five years two hundred and twenty, five million but if

927
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: he MAKES all nba this, upcoming season that could jump

928
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: up to. Two seventy good Deal For scottie barnes and

929
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: pretty nice For the raptors because Back At draft day

930
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: everybody thought they were going To Take. Jalen Suggs masai,

931
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: JURI said i see. It differently He Took scotty barnes

932
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 2: and it's. Worked out he Led the raptors, in, points

933
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: rebounds and assist this, past Season if i'm. Not Mistaken darko,

934
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: ryakovic said he needs to have the ball all. The

935
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: time hopefully they're going to be putting some other good players.

936
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: AROUND him I don't i personally don't LOVE. The rj

937
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: barrett Fit With. SCOTTIE barnes i think you need a

938
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: little bit better shooting from your. Wing positions but with

939
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: quickly THERE who i assume they're going to bring back

940
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: on a restricted free. Agency Deal the raptors seem to

941
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: at least have the outlines of what they want their

942
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: team to be. Going forward barnes is a huge part.

943
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: Of it quickly is a huge part, of It and

944
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: barrett probably.

945
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Is, too yeah that's a good point about dishing. It

946
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: out his number one skill is. His passing the interesting

947
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: part is signing a guy like this to a, monster

948
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: DEAL which i don't Know if i'll ever be able

949
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: to wrap my. Head around literally could be fifty million

950
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: dollars a year for a guy who didn't have monstrous

951
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: numbers scoring. The BALL and i, do think as, you said, the,

952
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: points rebounds assists going up a career hides in true,

953
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: shooting percentage, rebounding percentage. ASSIST percentage i say all that

954
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: NOT because i want to talk. About stats but he is.

955
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: Locked in he's focused on getting better and he did

956
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: that and he went through that. Year one he had

957
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 3: a bit of a difficult. Year two but he wants.

958
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: To grow he shows he can grow at the end of,

959
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: YOU know i guess It was february at the end

960
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: of a game Against The San. Antonio spurs he walked off.

961
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: The floor he just. Wasn't happy it also was just

962
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: right after og was traded and then he came back

963
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 3: to the next game Against The Anna Pacers siata. Monster

964
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: game it was a twenty nine to twelve and eight.

965
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: Assist game it was a, Great GAME and i do think.

966
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: That's important there's but but but it's it's different now

967
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: being the number one guy With, og Gon With pascal

968
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: siakam now gone to start a season as the number.

969
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: One guy as, You said messieri buys in and he

970
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: comes in every single training camp like a guy who

971
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 3: has really. Really worked so this is being a number

972
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: one guy for the. FIRST time i understand people will

973
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: say this was not a good Team With scottie barnes.

974
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: Last season it. Just wasn't so why would you pay

975
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: a max to? Start there they, do have as, you

976
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: said the bones for him to be finding Guys In.

977
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: EMMANUEL quickly i do think if you want to be,

978
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: absolutely great you do need some of those guys to

979
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: take a step, as well Which is i'm not sure

980
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: if it's going, to happen but, YOU know i Love

981
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: The emmanuel quickly deal for, that reason to be sort of.

982
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: A sidekick so we shall see if. It works but

983
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: you gotta Believe In, scottie barnes and you gotta believe

984
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: that this contract is who cares about the dollars because really,

985
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: it AGAIN like i, just said what are these what are?

986
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: These figures what? Are they these are. Big numbers these

987
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 3: are huge obviously BECAUSE THE nba tv deal is going

988
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: up and the salary cap is, going up and so

989
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: he's just paid as a max and it just. Looks

990
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: right it looks huge, right now but eventually people will

991
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: be making more. Than this, EVEN so i don't find

992
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: it a big deal for a young guy who's taking

993
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 3: on more on himself every single offseason to be given.

994
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: THIS responsibility i THINK he.

995
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: I think he.

996
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 3: Owns it he doesn't just he doesn't need scores, around

997
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: him that's, for sure because you're looking him in the

998
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: fourth quarter situations and he.

999
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: He.

1000
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: Doesn't struggle but there are some times where he can't

1001
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: score the ball and try has to do. Too much

1002
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: but that's also up To dark oriyakovic and getting those

1003
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: guys around him being able to score a rond HIM

1004
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: and I think barnes will. Find them so this is

1005
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: a new season for, them all. You know all, that

1006
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: said they made two big trades in the middle of,

1007
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: the season so this is this is a new start

1008
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: for them and to be whole in. Training CAMP so

1009
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 3: i think it'll.

1010
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Be.

1011
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: Good yeah you mentioned on a podcast last week you

1012
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: Think the raptors will be better next season compared to

1013
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: how they were. This season only twenty five wins, this

1014
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: season but by the end of the year they were

1015
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: playing to keep their, draft pick which didn't end. Up

1016
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: happening but that's basically they just didn't have guys. Out,

1017
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 2: There yeah so what do you think is a good

1018
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: season For? The, raptors yeah.

1019
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: Great question so if It's him Quickly and barrett as

1020
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: your your, core three it's say at least thirty seven thirty. Big,

1021
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: jumpers yeah you gotta be. Big, jumpers yeah it's it's

1022
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: Like the rockets, last year you know that type.

1023
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: Of.

1024
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: JUMP yeah i think that that close to five hundred

1025
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: is a. Good season if you don't make quite. Make

1026
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: it what do you think season For The?

1027
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: Toronto raptors they could be coming for that nine seed

1028
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: can be coming With that bulls. Nine Seed the bulls

1029
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: have had it on lockdown for the past couple. Of

1030
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: years but as we're, seeing here things have Changed. IN chicago.

1031
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: I hope things change In The eastern conference where we're

1032
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: not talking about a thirty eight and forty four. Win,

1033
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: team gosh, all right, next topic speaking Of. Those bulls

1034
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: got to hear your Opinion On alex caruso And The josh.

1035
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: Giddy deal so let's get it up Down the Bulls

1036
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: Trading alex caruso, straight up no bicks To the Thunder For.

1037
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: JOSH giddy I got i gotta go ninety percent, down.

1038
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: HERE tasks i have, many thoughts. Many thoughts, number one

1039
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: it's crazy they didn't get a pick From the thunder

1040
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: Considering the thunder have the most picks, to trade and

1041
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: as we've seen, from reporting Like the bulls have been

1042
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: in talks dating back to last. TRADE deadline i know

1043
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: they talked With. The Warriors Maybe moses moody could have

1044
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: come over in a Trade Trace jackson davis plus a

1045
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: couple of picks as a report That The sacramento kings

1046
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: offered the. Thirteenth pick so at least there was enough

1047
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: interest that you would Think the bulls would actually be

1048
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: able to start some sort of a bidding War, for

1049
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: caruso a guy who's going to be a perfect plug

1050
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: and play player for, ok See but chicago hadn't made

1051
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: a trade in, three years So maybe ak had just

1052
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: lost a little bit of the. Negotiating juice not that

1053
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: he has, great juice but you don't do something for,

1054
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: three years. You lose if you don't, use it you.

1055
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: Lose IT so i don't know what went on with their.

1056
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: NUMBER two i Don't Like.

1057
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: Josh giddy.

1058
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: His off, court stuff definitely not a fan. Of that his,

1059
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: player style guy who if, he shoots can, be good

1060
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: is one of my least favorite player styles IN the

1061
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: NBA because i think the guys who actually learned to

1062
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: shoot are so few and. Far between It's Like kawhi

1063
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: Enard And, jalen brown everybody else basically as a, question

1064
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: mark or maybe they're able to hit thirty five percent

1065
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: of wide open threes like he might be able. To

1066
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: Do and i'm sad To. Lose caruso he was an

1067
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: awesome player to watch and if he's on, your team

1068
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: you instantly become a fan. Of him he was also

1069
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: the Only good BULLS defender I guess i would assume

1070
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: was a, fair Defender But Caruso all defense first team,

1071
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: One Year all defense second team. This year, to me

1072
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: he's the best guard defender in the league because he's

1073
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: good at point, of attack and he makes plays all over,

1074
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: the court and he can guard up to fours if

1075
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: you need, him too like he Was The Bulls kevin

1076
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: durant defender way. Back when so all of that is

1077
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: my general Thoughts on Caruso and GIDDY when i first

1078
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: saw that. It happened but, you know digging back into,

1079
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: THE trade i think this is at least a fair

1080
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: gamble For. The bulls giddy's twenty one. Years old the

1081
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: guy's got major flaws in. His game he's not a

1082
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: great finisher at. The rim he obviously, can't shoot not a,

1083
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: big defender but he's not a bust. Right like he can.

1084
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: STILL improve i don't ever think he's gonna become a,

1085
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: great shooter but him having the ball in his Hands,

1086
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: IN chicago i think he'll probably look better than he

1087
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: DID with Okc When shay gill Just had lexander And

1088
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: Then jalen williams came along and took a bunch of

1089
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: Possessions from giddy. As well it kind of signals, to

1090
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: me though That the bulls are considering going down the

1091
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: rebuilding path trading a thirty year old guy for a

1092
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: twenty one year. Old, guy obviously They're offering levine around

1093
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: the league no. Takers yet we'll see what they Do

1094
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: with deroz and he might become an in demand free

1095
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: Agent If paul george decides to stay With. The CLIPPERS

1096
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: so i. DON'T know i was very sad to See

1097
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: that caruso is going to be gone and that no

1098
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: picks were, Coming back but AT least i can understand

1099
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: Why the bulls decided that this was.

1100
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: THE move i like how you Said the bulls are

1101
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 3: in consideration of retooling or rebuilding or whatever thinking.

1102
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: About, It man they are.

1103
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: Probably thinking about it because it would be super weird

1104
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: To Have josh giddy the, ball handler because that's what,

1105
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: he Is Alongside demarta Rosen And zach levine who need

1106
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 3: the ball in, their hands to go Along With kobe

1107
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: White And, IoT assume who kind of need the ball in.

1108
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: Their hands so it is a puzzling Situation Because josh

1109
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: giddy has, shown that, you know like in a. Similar

1110
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: way although he does play off the ball, at times

1111
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: he is best with the ball in his hands and

1112
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: he's a very. Good passer and so that's, why okay

1113
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 3: see bought in on the number six pick, on him

1114
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: and they really did, like him but he just didn't

1115
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: fit as Well with Shaye And, jalen williams and so

1116
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 3: it was time. To go and, so yeah. Zooming out

1117
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: you just Look at alex carus and, you, say man

1118
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: every good team would love To Have alex caruso on

1119
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: their team because if you have scores and you have,

1120
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: a bigs you just need one of. These guys and

1121
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: so he fits. So well he is obviously getting a,

1122
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: little older but. Who cares he's got a Relationship With

1123
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: mark deagnott playing. For him he played played For.

1124
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: The blue IN The.

1125
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: G league he played. For him i'd totally forgotten. About

1126
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: that back when he, had hair he was Playing with

1127
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: mark dagnot what?

1128
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: Was it what was There a caruso that WAS On,

1129
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: Nypd Blue. David caruso wasn't that? HIS name? I think

1130
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: so we need to See A, David Cruso ALEX cruso

1131
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: Nypd Ok seed Blue BECAUSE matt i want to throwback

1132
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: to see that he actually Played For. Mark degnell that was.

1133
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: PRETTY crazy i do think great pickup For. Okay seed

1134
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: they knew, That giddy they wanted him to come off,

1135
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: the bench, he, said no. Thank you he got played

1136
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: off the court in, the playoffs which, you. Know sucks

1137
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: you hate to trade for a guy that you. See

1138
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: that but also the balls aren't getting the second round of,

1139
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: the playoffs so not too worried. About THAT but i, do,

1140
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: think okay see got smaller Trading, for caruso so they're

1141
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: going to have to look for somebody to help them

1142
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: out on. The glass but, guess what they didn't give

1143
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: up any of, their picks so they could still make

1144
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: a move.

1145
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: Going, forward yeah he was starting to rebound as well at. Six'

1146
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 3: eight the fact that He Was, beside lou, dort You

1147
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: Know and jalen williams sort of, as, their, two three

1148
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: four call him. Whatever you want he was helping out.

1149
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 3: On that end but his trade value probably couldn't. Be

1150
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: any lower it just. Feels that way maybe it's just

1151
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: because in freet about the off seat or, The off

1152
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: court i'm not referring to That because really i've got

1153
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: no idea what happened Off Court with josh gitty. And

1154
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: this team this team Brought In, to josh gitty they

1155
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: did like him and they were going, forward with him

1156
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: but just who they've constructed. The team around it just didn't,

1157
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: make sense there so they dealt Him To, get als

1158
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: caruso which. Worked extremely well, and you're right it would

1159
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: have been Nice For the schicuggo bulls to have one,

1160
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: pick thrown, in Because Yes the sacramento kings. Reportedly were

1161
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: able we're willing to give the, number thirteen pick but

1162
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: then you start to think about it, in the draft

1163
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: like this is the number thirteen pick a Better Player

1164
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: Than josh guitty giddy. Has been solid solid Is the

1165
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: word i'll, go back on because he is a good

1166
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 3: ball handler and. Good at assisting but does he FIT

1167
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: in today's nba? Is the question and He has to

1168
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: he needs shooters and a. Ton of them and so

1169
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: that's why this offseason, is, really, interesting because yeah Maybe

1170
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: He replaces lonzo ball to be sort of that ballhandler

1171
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: who's not A Shooter if lonzo ball. Can't play ANYMORE

1172
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: but like, I Just, said DeRozan levine there's so MANY white,

1173
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: assume i guess assume he doesn't need the ball, in

1174
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: his hands but still there's just. So, many, THERE so

1175
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: man i hope he succeeds as you. Said, twenty one

1176
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: yeah so. Hopefully, gets BETTER yeah and.

1177
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: I do think comparing him to, the, THIRTEENTH pick like

1178
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: I do think giddy is a better player Than what

1179
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: the bulls would probably get if they Traded with the

1180
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: kings and got. The thirteenth pick but also they Have

1181
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: to pay, giddy next, summer so yeah it's good no

1182
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: the cost controlledness of. The thirteenth, pick, EITHER way though

1183
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: i do Think that the bulls are going to be

1184
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: bad enough that they can keep their pick, yeah NEXT

1185
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: year which i. Think is important they've got a top

1186
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: twenty five top ten or twenty twenty five top ten

1187
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 2: protected pick Goes, to the spurs So if the bulls

1188
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: are in, the bottom ten they get to keep, that

1189
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: draft pick which would be good To Get a cooper

1190
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: flag because it seems to Me that the bulls best

1191
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: teams come when they're able to get a very good player.

1192
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: In the Draft I'm thinking Michael Jordan, and derek ROSE

1193
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: we saw, woj mentioned It and Even sam presty uh

1194
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: in his press release talking About why The thunder Traded.

1195
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: Giddy for caruso do you Actually Think that josh giddy has? All, star,

1196
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: potential well yeah that was A, surprising extreme yeah that was.

1197
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: That was high it really depends. On, the team Yeah

1198
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: well the bulls without the guys who are going To

1199
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 3: Make the all star team. That's currently contructed it's Not Gonna,

1200
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: be josh gitty it's gonna be It's Gonna be Zach Levine.

1201
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: Or tomorrow rose so if we Just Talked aboutel daniel

1202
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: Russell Making An, all star game if they're a, five

1203
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: hundred team like let's say it's Just Built around Josh

1204
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: Giddy and Kobe White, and io, desumo then yeah maybe

1205
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: It Could. Be, josh gay maybe but you really got

1206
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: to be a good team and you don't have you

1207
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 3: can't have better. Players on It DeRozan and zach levine

1208
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: Would Be the all stars, On THAT team so i guess.

1209
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: THERE'S potential. There, i suppose yeah a lot.

1210
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: Of Guys Make the.

1211
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: All, start too yeah yeah it all happened, this, year

1212
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: though absolutely. But PROBABLY not but i don't think this

1213
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: year we're gonna see those guys all. ON the team

1214
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: i don't they have to trade one.

1215
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: Of those guys.

1216
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: THEY have to i know It's the balls and, you

1217
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: say that you say that it, makes no sense especially

1218
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: because it's a Good Point that josh getty has played

1219
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 3: in the leave for, three years now so they're gonna

1220
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: have to pay him soon if they're gonna want to.

1221
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: Keep him around and do you want him Playing with

1222
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 3: The rozen and levigne like they're not. Gonna be good

1223
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: he has to handle the ball a ton and he

1224
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: again there was there was good times where he was

1225
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 3: off the ball and he was.

1226
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: In.

1227
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: The corner uh but in the, playoffs they yeah he

1228
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: was left open and some of the. Shots Went Down

1229
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 3: against new orleans in the opening round, on the road he,

1230
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: had four threes but they weren't going down. All the

1231
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: time and if He put ox caruso in there where

1232
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to be part of the, offense at

1233
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: all he doesn't have to handle the. Ball, at all okay.

1234
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 3: So he's happy how many picks? Do they have why

1235
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: can't they just? Give one up why can't Hahway can

1236
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: think cornish, was just saying, give us something.

1237
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: That's. The question man you have to think they. Didn't,

1238
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: even ask. Yeah that's fair it's the only way that

1239
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: you wouldn't get one thrown in that just. Toss, him around.

1240
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that's, true who knows but it feels Like the

1241
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: bulls ninth seed dynasty is coming. To an end.

1242
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: Very Sad man the raptors.

1243
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: Are stealing that as long as We Got a no

1244
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: dunk's team in the play and, we'll be.

1245
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: Excited all right, final topic here, speaking of playans this

1246
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: is one team that was in it. This Past Season

1247
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: the sacramento kings kept an important piece of that. Play

1248
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: in Team They signed malik monk to a long deal

1249
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 3: who was injured through the back half. Of The year

1250
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: there so Up Down on malik monk Staying with the

1251
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 3: kings for four years and a seventy. Eight, MILLION deal trey.

1252
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: I like it i especially like It for the kings,

1253
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: because four years, Seventy, eight million yeah not crazy expensive

1254
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: for a guy who finished Second and sixth Man of

1255
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: the year. Voting last year careers career high sorry in

1256
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: scoring and assist became very Important for the kings as

1257
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: one of their. Crunch time guys it's like literally Either

1258
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: Him or darn fox. Making the plays so this was

1259
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: The max that. Sacramento could offer still pretty, cheap For

1260
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: them but monk did get a player option in, the

1261
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: fourth year so if he has another, three good seasons

1262
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: he could go back into free agency and maybe. Sign another.

1263
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: Deal SOMEWHERE else, so i Think Good for malik monk getting,

1264
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: His biggest payday Good for the kings to be able

1265
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: to retain him on a pretty. Solid, dollar amount.

1266
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. A good deal somebody probably would have.

1267
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: Offered him more and that's why they allow teams to

1268
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: start negotiating legally with their players right after the, finals

1269
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: is done As opposed, to july first when they are

1270
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 3: all supposed to be able to. Start, the, negotiations so

1271
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: yeah he agreed to a three, plus an option which

1272
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: could bode well for him after three years he goes

1273
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 3: out and gets. Some more money.

1274
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: It is.

1275
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: EASY to forget i guess that this team was forty six,

1276
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: and thirty six not a bad, team at all and

1277
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 3: they fell in the play in, TOURNAMENT because primarily, i

1278
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: would say a BIG reason and i don't know for

1279
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: sure if they are Able To beat New Orleans if malik.

1280
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: Monk Is There but leak, monk was hurt and so

1281
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 3: that's a. Part, of it, yeah he was, as you

1282
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 3: said a key part. Of their team now other key

1283
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: parts of their team are just getting bigger to help

1284
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: out on. The DEFENSIVE end so i don't know if

1285
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: they go get a starting. CENTER for demotsuls i highly

1286
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: doubt that to put someone's, at the four but. They

1287
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: need That They need keegan murray to. Take another step

1288
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 3: otherwise it's just such a such. A tough conference it's.

1289
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: A tough Conference and the kings last season basically. Brought

1290
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 2: everybody back remember they were in The Mix, for kyle

1291
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: kuzma but they decided to use their cap space to.

1292
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: Extends a bonus they're Obviously Bringing back, malik monk here

1293
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: so they're. Betting On continuity but, I'M with you i

1294
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: think they still need to make some. Kind OF move

1295
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: and i know they were a team. That was rumored

1296
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: And the zach, lavine trade sweepstakes if you want to,

1297
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: CALL it that i don't know if it's the sweepstakes

1298
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: if you offer him around to fifteen teams and. Nobody

1299
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: says yes but it was A Pair only Kevin Herder

1300
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: and harrison Barnes for zach lavine. And who knows Probably

1301
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: maybe the bulls would get a pick if they decide to.

1302
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: Ask for one but they need to change something up just.

1303
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: A little bit they need a little bit, more, oomph

1304
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,479
Speaker 2: defensively because, like You're Saying the western, conference is tough

1305
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: and it's only Getting Better with john morant coming back

1306
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: from injury and. Suspension Next year the rockets want. To

1307
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: Be better the spurs are gonna be Good eventually With.

1308
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: Victor wembin yama so things are Tough In, the western

1309
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: conference but after a decade and a half of not,

1310
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: Making the playoffs sacramento is happy to be part of. The,

1311
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 2: postseason consistently yes this.

1312
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 3: Might be the year after talking about it year after. Year,

1313
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 3: after year well They Give up harrison, barnes for something

1314
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: and that seems like that could, happen because, otherwise you

1315
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 3: know you're rolling With The Diarn fox keegan murray, type

1316
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 3: of backcourt and then your bigs. ARE the, biggs i

1317
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 3: mean you're Gonna Roll with Harrison barnes and sibonis again

1318
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: at the. FOUR or, five i mean they they definitely

1319
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: need to change something up. For their, defense but again

1320
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: forty six and thirty. Six ain't bad what would they

1321
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: get You, in the east like a. SOLID six, seat

1322
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 3: i mean it is so weird when you compare the

1323
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: conferences because the two seed got fifty Wins In. The eastern, conference.

1324
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: Hey man you're you're just. Hating, right now yeah forty

1325
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: six Wins For, the miami heat and they were the eighth.

1326
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: Seed, last year yeah there was a lot of pair

1327
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 3: drop off.

1328
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: Starts after that whoever came in ninth had. A, bad sea.

1329
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: YEAH that's true i do forget that THEY'RE they're really.

1330
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 3: I don't forget i Remember that the pacers were good

1331
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 3: and They're all those Bucks. In the bucks. They're all

1332
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: good they. Just weren't Great So the kings kings win

1333
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 3: more games than if They're, IN the, east i say

1334
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: just because of the teams that they. Get to play

1335
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 3: so that, kind of hurts but it is a good

1336
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: Signing For the sacramento. Kings, either way yep they Could use.

1337
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: A booch type, Don't you think no vouch. And sa

1338
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: bonus that's defense for. You right there. Defense, and shooting.

1339
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah giddy fine and booch is gonna. Happen a lot

1340
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: they're both going, to be open which will be. Standing, there, waiting, YES.

1341
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: Yes indeed i think that's. About it though that's right.

1342
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: With the king so let's talk about some tweet of

1343
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: the night action.

1344
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 3: Tweed, Over, night wow.

1345
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tweeted the night it's not necessarily, from last night

1346
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: but it Relates To the boston celtics and. Their championship

1347
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: Parade Remember. The boston celtics THEY Won the nba championship

1348
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: just Last, week on friday they had THEIR parade and

1349
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: i saw at only in bos That's. Only In, boston

1350
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: on twitter someone is selling Confetti from the celtics Championship.

1351
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: Parade on facebook for. Only ten dollars you can get parade,

1352
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: confetti ten, pieces five green five white for those that.

1353
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: Couldn't make it It's a great christmas gift And a

1354
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: great christmas grift for the true fans. Across the world now.

1355
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: LOOK this seller i. Believe this seller they really. Got

1356
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: this confetti as we saw, at the championship a lot

1357
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: of parade or a lot of Confetti after. The celtics

1358
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: won also a lot of confetti, At THE parade so

1359
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: i think. This, is legit however you could very easily.

1360
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: Fake this one just get a piece of tissue paper

1361
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: and cut it up and ship it. Out ten dollars

1362
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: the margins on.

1363
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 3: That, are insane yeah if, it's, tissue paper like, IF

1364
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: it's soft i want to? Know the texture?

1365
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: Is it firm?

1366
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: How somehow?

1367
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: Crinkly?

1368
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: IS it, yeah i listen this is ONE thing that

1369
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: i would willing to be giving, my money for even

1370
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 3: though there's a chance. It's totally fake there's a lot

1371
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: of fake things. On the internet this could definitely be.

1372
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 3: One of them but, as you said it's The most confetti. I've,

1373
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: ever seen yeah at. THE championship game i wasn't really

1374
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: paying attention to the confetti, at THE parade but i

1375
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 3: guess there's just a lot Of. It in boston there was.

1376
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: A lot of it floating around FROM the. CLIPS i

1377
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: saw i know that my step brother went took his

1378
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: family and also. GOT some confetti i don't think that's him,

1379
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: selling it though but if anybody wants to pay nine,

1380
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 2: DOLLARS for it i could maybe talk.

1381
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 3: Him into it you.

1382
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 2: Catch any of the, Parade, at all well the guys

1383
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 2: out there on.

1384
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 3: The, DUCK boats Yeah I. Saw Luke purnette luke cornett was.

1385
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 3: Doing the dabbing he, was really dabbing and people were

1386
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 3: making fun of him because he was going hyper, level

1387
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 3: of dabbing like you just yeah. Wrap GOING crazy And

1388
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 3: I saw jalen brown lost His ring knocks championship ring

1389
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 3: just his ring for that represents. His, clothing line, yeah

1390
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: juice juice but IT looks like i guess that is

1391
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 3: it looks like, seven u, ice but yeah. But it

1392
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: is it is because he wears seven but, it's called

1393
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 3: juice so he's. Looking for that and there's probably some

1394
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: people faking that they. Got, that too yeah a lot

1395
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 3: of fakers.

1396
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 2: DEFINITELY could Be I saw al horford was in. A cowboy,

1397
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: hat oh yeah, he was. COOL very cool i didn't

1398
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: realize that this was going around. On The internet Al

1399
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 2: Horford and luke cornett's dad played Together For. The milwaukee,

1400
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 2: BUCKS what Yeah I. MEAN tito horford i barely know

1401
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: that he WAS in the nba only because he's always

1402
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: showing up, at these games so you. LOOK it up

1403
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: i didn't even think. To Look up luke cornett had

1404
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: a dad that PLAYED in the, nba as well and

1405
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: they played together. Way back when and then these guys

1406
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: joined together to. Win. A championship crazy.

1407
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 3: They're drinking, chocolate milk TOGETHER probably because i Always Follow.

1408
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: WITH tito horford i know he WAS run and I

1409
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 3: Know that al horford after reading an. Article about him,

1410
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: he doesn't celebrate, really doesn't drink really. Drinks CHOCOLATE milk

1411
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 3: so i DON'T know why i. Made that connection to

1412
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: their parents in. Drinking chocolate milk. That's not true it's not.

1413
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 3: Something THEY did but i just like. SAYING chocolate milk

1414
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 3: i Didn't Even know luke cornette's dad WAS.

1415
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: In The, NBA what yeah i knewbody knewbody knew nowbody.

1416
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: KNEW that one i Also saw the celtics already have

1417
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 2: dented The trophy. Somehow valary O'Brien they have has like

1418
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: a giant dent in the. SIDE of it. I, like

1419
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 2: that yeah it. Actually, LOOKS cool well i got this

1420
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 2: this Water bottle for christmas once, upon A time and

1421
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: i got this dent in it within twenty minutes of Getting,

1422
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: it FOR christmas and i. Was so UPSET but now

1423
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: i think. It, ADDS characters still i Don't think the

1424
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: celtics should ever. Get that fixed they, say they're gonna, which.

1425
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: You know respectful but it looks very cool with the.

1426
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: Dent, in it yeah It's Like. The stanley cup all

1427
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 3: the dents in. It are cool but is that? Their,

1428
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 3: real trophy no.

1429
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: That's a mystery.

1430
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: That's another face.

1431
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: That's a mystery Ten, Dollars from millbury massachusetts. For that.

1432
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: Trophy good stuff celtics are Champions.

1433
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,839
Speaker 3: Still What's MILLBURY. MASS chusetts o i Just where. That facebook,

1434
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 3: was oh okay that's where the. Confetti came, from.

1435
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: So yeah. Draft is tomorrow you can check it, out

1436
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: on playback join, our, playback room, playback dot tv. SLASH

1437
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 2: no duns i guess the draft gets started At Eight

1438
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 2: pm eastern skeets is gonna be. Hopping on here i'll

1439
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: probably try and make it in appearance to See who

1440
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: the bulls. Get Number ten ron hollinger would love to.

1441
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: DRAFT that guy i told, you a man that was. A. Dumb,

1442
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: QUESTION yah yeah. I was excited. I was excited i

1443
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: was doing all, my PREP work but i Just Kept.

1444
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: SAYING ron, holland, i realized yeah that sounds So Similar to.

1445
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: John holland, draft so yeah we got playback Going on.

1446
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: On wednesday night we will be Back here on Thursday

1447
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: to recap night one of the. Two day draft then

1448
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna be Back. Again on friday we're gonna go

1449
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 2: three to, four hours solid just, on NIGHT too for i.

1450
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 2: Guess afternoon too after the, draft the draft we'll do

1451
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: a little drop stuff there and then we're Planning something

1452
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 2: for sunday because guess what. FREE agency, STARTS i mean

1453
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 2: i guess it kind, of already started started, a little

1454
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 2: bit but officially Gets. Going on sunday so we'll do

1455
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: something for. That as Well See where paul. George is

1456
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: Going See If. Lebron james opson.

1457
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 3: We'll be live, We'll be live.

1458
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: We'll, be live, Yeah, For, Sure, thursday friday sunday and

1459
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: who knows what else. Is gonna happen.

1460
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: This is work get, a big trade and maybe we'll get.

1461
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: Lots OF trades the nba did a good job of

1462
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 3: putting it, to two days. SPLITTING it up i say

1463
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 3: a good job. Because it's working we're. Doing multiple shows

1464
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: it's LIKE. Where the nfl. They did it, they, did

1465
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: it man.

1466
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: They did it it's LIKE where The nfl clipper brother

1467
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 2: you heard, it here first have, a great, time turn up, love,

1468
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: You guys awesome thanks.

1469
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: For joining Us And remember tito horford PLAYED, in the

1470
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: nba And So, Did Frank Cornet. Francis milton coronet how

1471
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: told Do You Think francis Milton cornet.

1472
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: Was lucas tall i'll.

1473
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,560
Speaker 3: Go, six', ten yeah you're good you're good and not,

1474
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 3: overestimated ninety six. Nine probably sixty eight but listen is.

1475
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: Even The Listings From back never never tate. Measures weren't

1476
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: as good embrace the day people