WEBVTT - Bitten by James Bond (S1 E13 "Your Fault")

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to desperately devoted Think of us as your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors as we chat about life and relationships, all.

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<v Speaker 2>While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Emerson Tenny.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, ah, so good to see you, So good

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<v Speaker 1>to see your favorite thing about Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree this episode's title. Speaking out over Here

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<v Speaker 2>episode thirteen air January twenty third, two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>titled Your Fault.

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<v Speaker 3>From the amazing musical Into the Woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Into the Woods is my favorite Sontai musical. I could

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<v Speaker 2>sing that not it's your fault and it's really mine at.

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<v Speaker 3>All came away with Without that beans, that would have

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<v Speaker 3>been nose doc to get up to the giant in

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<v Speaker 3>the first place. Wait a minute, yeah I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what I will say, speaking of Into

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<v Speaker 2>the Woods and your Fault and Andrea. For my eleventh birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>right my eleventh birthday, all I wanted to do was

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<v Speaker 2>an Into the Woods themed birthday party, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the only eleven year old sending out birthday

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<v Speaker 2>invites along with people's sides.

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<v Speaker 1>I into the Woods. They got to signed a character

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<v Speaker 1>and a script.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I cast it beautifully. I cast it with all

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<v Speaker 2>my friends. I cast them in the roles that I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they should play. And everyone showed up at

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<v Speaker 2>my mom's backyard in the morning. She set up a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful stage. She spray painted a backdrop with a carousel

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<v Speaker 2>and a castle and a carriage, and we rehearsed for

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the day. Then we had lunch, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we performed the first act only so we actually

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get to the song your Fault, but we performed

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<v Speaker 2>the first active into the Woods, and Andrea came with

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<v Speaker 2>so saved the day.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, what happened? Why did I have to pitch

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<v Speaker 3>hit some of my friends to come in?

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<v Speaker 2>So my one male friend at the time, as an

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<v Speaker 2>eleven year old, whyatt Stromer, I'm called, I am out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still one of my dear friends. So I can

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<v Speaker 2>I can say his name and last name. My gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's identified. He's a wonderful guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He really is so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, incredible cinematographer, just great human being. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>time he was like my one male friend, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I had cast him as both the prince and

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<v Speaker 2>the wolf. Because naturally he really had to carry a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of weight. And then he got sick and he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't come to the party, and I was playing Cinderella,

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<v Speaker 2>which now, just for the record, if we ever did

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<v Speaker 2>into the Woods again, I would one want to be

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<v Speaker 2>the witch or the Baker's wife. Yes, but at the

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<v Speaker 2>time I wanted to be Cinderella and I had no prince,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was devastated.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is like late at night. And also I

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out that Glee was at its height

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<v Speaker 1>of popularity. So I imagine, just imagine Glee is at

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<v Speaker 1>its high to popularity. My daughter is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>turning eleven, and I call Andrea Sos, do you know

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that could come be the prince at an eleven

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<v Speaker 1>year olds to the Woods birthday party?

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<v Speaker 3>And I happened to be and still to this day,

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<v Speaker 3>very very very close friends with Kevin McHale and Jenna Hushwoods,

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<v Speaker 3>who were both on Glee and are just incredible people

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<v Speaker 3>in general and both very musically gifted as we know.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was like, yeah, I do I have

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<v Speaker 3>people who can come.

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<v Speaker 1>In and out and they did, and they did, and

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<v Speaker 1>these two do you know that I told them I

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<v Speaker 1>have I remember, you know, I never remember anything. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we've been doing this rewatch, and I don't remember anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember this. After the party, we were in

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<v Speaker 1>our living room and I was talking to them and

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<v Speaker 1>I looked Kevin right in the face and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I will scrub your toilets for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>That is how much I know you. No, but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was just I will do anything for you

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of your life because you came through

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<v Speaker 1>these kids at this party, if you can imagine, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the biggest movie stars walked into the

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<v Speaker 1>backyard and he played the prince and we did it

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<v Speaker 1>all like very improvy, and I have video of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, and he twirled her around and he was

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<v Speaker 1>so tolerant of like they were just gaga over the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was crazy. So yeah, that's our into

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<v Speaker 1>the Woods story.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we actually can probably pull up a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of Andrea and I from that party when I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>my little Cinderella like rags before i transform into my

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<v Speaker 2>princess dress and I'm seeing the picture in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, very special day, special time in our lives together.

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<v Speaker 2>And now finally I've been waiting for the time that

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<v Speaker 2>we get an into the Woods title as the title

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<v Speaker 2>of the episode, and here we are, Here we Are

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<v Speaker 2>will be the last.

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<v Speaker 1>So my highlight reel for this episode was, well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, the word fault. It just pushes so many

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<v Speaker 1>buttons for me, like I'm definitely the person that's brainwired

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<v Speaker 1>and from my childhood and still to this day working

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<v Speaker 1>on like things happen, and I perceive everything as my

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<v Speaker 1>fault and as me being bad and and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do struggle with that, and and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there are sometimes when things are my fault, but everything

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<v Speaker 1>isn't my fault, and I really do take that on

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<v Speaker 1>and so that kind of came up for me when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the title. But in this episode, we are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at kids who are well behaved. Those are Susans

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<v Speaker 1>and well maybe yeah, right maybe, and Lynettes who are

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<v Speaker 1>not obviously, and Brie gets revealed really with the title

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<v Speaker 1>now like maybe we could have guessed, but like now

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<v Speaker 1>she actually gets the label of a Republican And when

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<v Speaker 1>that happened, I don't know, I was kind of mind

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<v Speaker 1>blown because obviously Republican party very different two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>five than it is now. But they actually in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode they talk about her. She says guns, she talks

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<v Speaker 1>about immigration, I mean the death penalty. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I know that our podcast isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>politically bent, but it was a very big thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it would be interesting to well, I can

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<v Speaker 1>only imagine how Marsha feels about it, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>me I can I know, I can very much imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how she feel about it now, But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I ever talked to her about where this landed for

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<v Speaker 1>her emotionally when she was doing it in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five, I sort of like, vaguely, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there must have been an election in there, like it

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was between Obama and Yeah, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been two thousand and was it Mitt Romney and Obama?

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<v Speaker 2>It was before Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Obama was eight, But I'm still there were there

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<v Speaker 1>were political conversations on the set, which is why I

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<v Speaker 1>know that she's a liberal. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know, I was going to say, I've actually

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<v Speaker 2>been at just in this last election of the election

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<v Speaker 2>before letter writing and canvassing parties that Marcia has been at.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know she's very right, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not my position to talk about her politics, but

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<v Speaker 1>it really did. Because the world is so politically divided now,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is in the forefront of our news every

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<v Speaker 1>second of every day, it did really strike me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wondered, wow, would you do that now? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how would that play out now? Mm hmmmm breathing a

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<v Speaker 1>Republican now.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was interesting too, that because she's that's

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<v Speaker 3>the only character that we're really learning any sort of

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<v Speaker 3>political viewpoint about, because these are things, these themes of

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<v Speaker 3>gun ownership and other things come up. And and she's

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<v Speaker 3>expressing to George in this scene at the diner, which

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<v Speaker 3>I love a diner. Gosh, I love a diner. It

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<v Speaker 3>was nice to see a diner up here on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to a diner yesterday, Yes, yes, from San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I had hash browns and coffee and just the way

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<v Speaker 1>you would do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect diner food. But I did think it made me

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<v Speaker 3>think about, you know how, because we're in such politically

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<v Speaker 3>divisive times. I wonder, when newly navigating a relationship that

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<v Speaker 3>bre like like Brion George are politics, I wonder, how

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<v Speaker 3>quickly does it have to come up?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably has to come up pretty early on, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's it's such a.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think it's so at the forefront now that

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<v Speaker 1>I think family members don't talk to each other, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like, I think, you know, friends

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<v Speaker 1>are unfriending each other, and I mean that in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a sad way. That's where we're at. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine, I mean, I when I used to be

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<v Speaker 1>on a dating app, which I am not anymore and

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been for a long time, but when I was,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be people that would you would come across

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<v Speaker 1>and it would say like, if you're a trumper, don't

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<v Speaker 1>bother you know, and vice versa, right, no, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>That was definitely something people let you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this instance, Brie was reflecting, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on this as part of how she and Rex fell

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<v Speaker 3>in love. It's part of It's such an integral part

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<v Speaker 3>in their love story.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this episode, you know, we really see their

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<v Speaker 2>divorce like play out in a way that we've not

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<v Speaker 2>really seen divorce addressed before, and we see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of familial relationships come to light in this episode. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have Susan seeing Julie's relationship with Zach. We have

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<v Speaker 2>John's parents come to Gabby to demand that she kind

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<v Speaker 2>of reinsert herself in John's life to try to convince

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<v Speaker 2>him to go to college.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I like, can we just like hone in on

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<v Speaker 1>that for a little bit because I was so interested that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens here is that John the Gardner's the

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<v Speaker 1>high school students Gardner. I think he turns eighteen, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's going to go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why his parents don't have any control over him,

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<v Speaker 2>right because.

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<v Speaker 1>He's eighteen eighteen, but he wasn't at the time. And

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<v Speaker 1>the parents come to Gabby because he's made this decision

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<v Speaker 1>to not go follow through with his college scholarship, and

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<v Speaker 1>they want her. They threaten her that if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>change his mind, we're going to go to the police.

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<v Speaker 1>But in that conversation, the mom actually uses the words

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<v Speaker 1>statutory rape. And I remember talking to you guys a

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<v Speaker 1>couple episodes about about I don't really recall if this,

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<v Speaker 1>if this storyline ever played out, if it really ever like,

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<v Speaker 1>did we ever call it by its name? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I guess we did. In episode thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>we called it by its name, statutory rape. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the other the thing that bothered me that this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to get into with you. I could

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<v Speaker 1>not get over how creepy this dad is. I was

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<v Speaker 1>so put off. But he basically says to Gabby, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>okay with what you did with John, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of wish you had done it with me,

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<v Speaker 1>or that I would have been able to do something

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<v Speaker 1>like that when I was his age, And it just

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<v Speaker 1>the ick factor, and I just kept thinking if this

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<v Speaker 1>was reversed, if this was Carlos that had had an

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<v Speaker 1>affair with a sixteen seventeen year old high school girl

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<v Speaker 1>and those parents had come over, there's no way that that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mom would have been going, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great I wish this had happened to me when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in high school. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think this made me think a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>actually another macro theme of this episode, which is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of generalized sexism, especially in terms of how it relates

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<v Speaker 2>to men, because this is exactly what you're saying. This

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<v Speaker 2>moment stood out to me a lot too. Of It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like, obviously John the Gardner's mom is livid, but

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<v Speaker 2>his dad is almost like, well, this is permissible and cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the subtext I read into that scene is Gabby's hot.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's fine because look at you, You're so hot.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I'd been able to do something like you

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<v Speaker 2>when I was my son's age. And this really trickles

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<v Speaker 2>into the one other storyline, which I know we'll dive

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<v Speaker 2>into all these storylines more and you know, use them

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<v Speaker 2>as springboards for some larger conversations. But which is Lynette

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<v Speaker 2>learning that Tom's dad is having an affair and the

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<v Speaker 2>way that also not just the fact that he's having

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<v Speaker 2>an affair, but.

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<v Speaker 3>The comment at the top of the episode two when

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<v Speaker 3>Parker's stuck up on the roof exactly and it won't

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<v Speaker 3>come down, and he's like, let me take a stab

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<v Speaker 3>at it and climb up to the ladder, and he

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<v Speaker 3>uses motivating language such such as, don't be a girly girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you a girly girl? Because only girly girls stay

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<v Speaker 3>up on the roof and won't climb down the ladder.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but I know about you is

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<v Speaker 3>girly girl.

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<v Speaker 1>You know missus Tom's dad that's saying this to Tom's dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that enraged me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there are so yeah, so many themes of sexism.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean also Rex having an affair being permissible versus

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<v Speaker 2>bree it not being permissible that she's flirting with the

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<v Speaker 2>pharmacist George. I also think about Susan being so worried

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<v Speaker 2>about Julie, and she says to Paul when she confronts

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<v Speaker 2>Paul about Julian Zach's relationship, she says, well, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>worried about it, but I have to be worried about

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<v Speaker 2>it because she's the girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Like you're the father of the boy, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the mother of the girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lots lots to dive into in terms of.

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<v Speaker 3>Well take it away, Yeah, pick one, pick one of

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<v Speaker 3>those categories. And let's let's talk about the Julie. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the delays.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you played Julie so fat, I have questions about

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember doing these scenes with Cody, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>was that? Like, can you tell us about that? I

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<v Speaker 1>have very loose again like I did about the Edie

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<v Speaker 1>Susan stuff, but I do kind of have loose memories

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<v Speaker 1>about working him when when he has that explosion that

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<v Speaker 1>throws to furniture. Yeah, but tell us about your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I do remember I remember what it was like filming

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<v Speaker 3>these scenes. I remember the intimacy of these scenes, having

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<v Speaker 3>to kiss, you know, not knowing the timing of that,

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<v Speaker 3>because Susan comes in on us kissing, so we being

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<v Speaker 3>feeling a little bit awkward as to when do we

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<v Speaker 3>start this? Do we start it before he says action,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's it's supposed to be going on before you

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<v Speaker 3>come in, you know. So I remember feeling very nervous

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<v Speaker 3>about those things. I also remember, and I say this

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<v Speaker 3>because I really enjoyed working with Cody, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>he is a very talented actor, and I think we

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<v Speaker 3>both really enjoyed working together. But I I will call

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<v Speaker 3>him out on he was a smoker at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe not like a big time smoker, but he

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<v Speaker 3>would smoke and then we would have to kiss. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was not in a position being

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<v Speaker 3>young to say, hey, can you.

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<v Speaker 1>Not do that?

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<v Speaker 3>That was a thing for me.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your age to friends, because this is a

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing about child actors being cast in relationships with

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<v Speaker 2>other actors playing kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so I was fourteen at this time, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was seventeen or eighteen. I know he

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<v Speaker 3>had taken the SATs because I remember during the pilot

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<v Speaker 3>when we were filming. I don't know if you remember this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think you remember this. But we kind

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<v Speaker 3>of had a looser, weirder schedule with the pilot, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I was called on days when I wasn't even necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>on the schedule to work, but I was there, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we had a lot of time in that

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<v Speaker 3>house that we filmed the wake at in Pasadena. I

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<v Speaker 3>think we filmed it at Pasadena. And so at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>I was in school, so I had to be doing

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<v Speaker 3>the child labor laws, you know, studio teaching stuff. But

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<v Speaker 3>Cody still was but he was annoyed about it because

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<v Speaker 3>he was just about to take the SATs and so

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<v Speaker 3>he was like, I'm basically done. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>sit in here and do this, you know. So there

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<v Speaker 3>was that age gap, so he was either seventeen or eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there any like did he feel uncomfortable about having

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<v Speaker 1>to kiss a fourteen year old? I don't or was

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<v Speaker 1>it both like you were professional actors.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we both leaned on the side of wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to be perceived as professional actors and approaching it like

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<v Speaker 3>we are just adults doing our job. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't speak to if he felt. I imagine there

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<v Speaker 3>probably was. In his real life. He wasn't probably kissing

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen year old girls, so I imagine there was a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of awkwardness for him on that end. But also,

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<v Speaker 3>as I've mentioned in other episodes where these things have

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<v Speaker 3>come up, it was me playing out things that we

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<v Speaker 3>were not happening to me yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Had you technically at that point not kissed a boy.

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<v Speaker 3>I had kissed, I had kissed a boy before, but

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<v Speaker 3>I was in dating. You know, Julie and Zach are

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<v Speaker 3>developing a little bit of a relationship. I hadn't done that.

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't, you know, gone to school dances because as

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned, I was alone on sect, just me in

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<v Speaker 3>my shadow dancing in the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>Did give yourself a corso?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, no, but but but it's sweet seeing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's very sweet watching it back. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a weird insight I get to have. I guess

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<v Speaker 3>we don't get to watch ourselves as a teenage kids

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<v Speaker 3>kissing people or having awkward school dances.

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<v Speaker 2>Which thank god.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean for the majority of people, they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>thank god, But I try to reframe it in the

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<v Speaker 3>context of that's kind of cool. I get to see

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<v Speaker 3>this secret little well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that other people to be impressed with how

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<v Speaker 1>good you were, like and how I know, just how

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was really honestly a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old where whereas like it was a middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>country fourteen year old, as opposed to like euphoria where

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteen year olds are what they're up to? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? It was a real and

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I like how it worked within the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I I didn't tell you were just great. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you were so great. So do you remember the

0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.600
<v Speaker 1>actual kissing? I do? Do you remember any other? It

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<v Speaker 1>makes me think because I have one onscreen kiss that

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<v Speaker 1>stands out in my career that I probably have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about somewhere. But to tell you, it was with Pierce

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<v Speaker 1>Brosnan and it was in Tomorrow Never Dies. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was when you were in that movie too, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was pregnant, So maybe you have a reflection

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<v Speaker 1>of this kiss also. I don't know. Oh yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>we were, you know, having to kiss over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the scene and he sort of bit

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<v Speaker 1>me like like like like I don't know, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't mean to, but whatever the structure, like

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever the structure was, by the end of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I was bleeding on the one side of my mouth, Like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was going to be like it was

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<v Speaker 3>so good. I remember it because it was such a

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<v Speaker 3>fabulous kiss. But but you remember it because you have

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<v Speaker 3>a scar from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was that deep, but it was,

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<v Speaker 1>like and I that's just interesting. And I remember feeling

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<v Speaker 1>the power is dichotomy the right word of like he

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<v Speaker 1>was James Bond, and I was like, this little actress

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<v Speaker 1>who was just playing this small role was not about

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<v Speaker 1>to pull anybody aside and go by the way, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's biting me. It's not very comfortable, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just I just tolerated it. Yeah, And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a weird like I'm it's a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a weird thing as part of our job to

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<v Speaker 3>ever show up and kiss people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess that's what I'm saying, like do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember this kiss or other kisses? Like it is a

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<v Speaker 1>weird part. I think if people want behind the scene,

0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a weird part of your job. Any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sexual kissing or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember feeling embarrassed doing it. I do remember, because

0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I could. While I knew, Okay, this is your job

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<v Speaker 3>on set today, I was still a fourteen year old

0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.080
<v Speaker 3>girl who wasn't used to doing this. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>the ability. When I work on things now as an

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<v Speaker 3>adult and there's kissing scenes and there's things like that,

0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.959
<v Speaker 3>it's such a different experience than doing it as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the embarrassment of doing it in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the crew. I remember the embarrassment of not wanting my

0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.960
<v Speaker 3>mom to stand by the monitor and watch. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>feeling my face get really hot.

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<v Speaker 1>My face is hot right now, I'm telling you, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And also just that thing of trying to trying to

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<v Speaker 3>wire my brain to treat it just like any other

0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.679
<v Speaker 3>scene with any other actor and not get caught up

0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.280
<v Speaker 3>in the intimacy of it. But I wonder now, in

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 3>today's climate, if people are more sensitive to the fact

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.720
<v Speaker 3>that miners are doing these things that are intimate for

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 3>anyone of any age, but certainly those well they have

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:14.200
<v Speaker 3>intacy coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, there's not a thing so I think

0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>neither of these scenarios would happen anymore, because I would

0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.560
<v Speaker 1>go over to this person and I would say, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be rude, and I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it. And he's a really nice guy and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a fabulous acker, and he's James Bond, and he's

0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.919
<v Speaker 1>James Bond. But something is happening that is resulting in

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<v Speaker 1>me feeling like I'm getting cut on the inside of

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:33.080
<v Speaker 1>my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, even before that, you would rehearse and talk through

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.679
<v Speaker 2>in depth the level of what you were going to

0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.639
<v Speaker 2>do in the kiss. I mean, that is what intimacy

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.679
<v Speaker 2>coordinators are for now on set, and I just think

0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.679
<v Speaker 2>there's so many more conversations happening around it. But I'm curious, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>to the fact of your mom standing by the monitory

0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and you feeling uncomfortable thematically, And I also really want

0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to hear what you remember, mom about filming from your

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:04.120
<v Speaker 2>perspective these scenes where Susan is really essentially saying Julie

0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.480
<v Speaker 2>is too young to be having this type of relationship.

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.760
<v Speaker 3>She mentions her age twice in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are your thoughts now on is fourteen too

0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.840
<v Speaker 2>young to be having your first kiss? That is kind

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.200
<v Speaker 2>of I mean, honestly, sometimes twelve, like around that time

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 2>that I think kids start to experiment with stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and how difficult is it to navigate your child's sexuality

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<v Speaker 2>as a parent. I don't necessarily mean you know who

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.400
<v Speaker 2>they are attracted to, but the fact that they are

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 2>exploring what it means to be and.

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<v Speaker 1>You're almost twenty eight and I can't imagine what you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not right. No, I think it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>really tricky. I mean, I think within the show and

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.600
<v Speaker 1>on the set, I was very much of a second mom,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean at least I took that role on

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to make sure that you were okay, set detected,

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and so I think I've probably felt that way. But also,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, feel free to talk about like I'm pretty

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 1>conservative in this area. I think. I also feel like

0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 1>females have great consequence to when they begin to explore

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<v Speaker 1>their sexuality, and I think the consequence that is weighted

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<v Speaker 1>in against the female, you know, isn't also bolstered by

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>their mental judgment, and I think that can lead to

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>difficult consequences that are going to end up in a

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<v Speaker 1>girl's lap. As opposed to the boys. And I know

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Susan makes that point, like that's what she's saying, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I probably also raised you from

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 1>that point of view. Listen, when you're a mom and

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>you're going to find this out. It is a crazy

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 1>thing to have two things working at the same time,

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>which is one you're trying to create and grow and

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:18.239
<v Speaker 1>be a part of posturing up, you know, propping up

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful, independent, well rounded, capable human being, and on

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, you're like, please never leave your room.

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to be in control of you for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of my life. Like it is basically both happening

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and so it is a very

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>odd thing where you're trying to marry an understanding that

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 1>part of growing up is beginning to be curious about

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 1>sexual things, but also knowing that your frontal lobe doesn't

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>fully develop until you're twenty five. And then when you

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 1>complicate it with governmental things like you're allowed to drive

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 1>at sixteen, which I find insane, but you can't you

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 1>can vote at eighteen, but you can't drink until twenty one.

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Like it's all mashed up in a way that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think makes a lot of sense, right.

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Like the metrics for when someone's old enough to do

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 3>one thing versus another don't really line up, and so

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 3>a parent has to make those decisions for themselves. Do

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 3>you remember how old you were when you started dating?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, I have so much to say about that,

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 2>because I was cracking up about Susan. In some ways,

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Susan's response to Julie, the way she is so protective

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.680
<v Speaker 2>did actually remind me of you as a mom when

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I was around Julie's age, And I think it's like

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the few times that I was like, oh,

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>that actually sort of feels like I could see Terry,

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 2>my mom, like having a similar reaction now, I Emerson,

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Terry's daughter would never have had the balls to be

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 2>kissing someone at the kitchen table where just anyone couldn't

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 2>walk in and see.

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<v Speaker 1>At your dad's house, probably maybe, I mean, I do

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>think that benefits as right, you have a second house

0:24:59.400 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 1>to go to with.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly, it's so interesting because Mom, you and I are

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 2>so close now, and like, as an adult, I think

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 2>we talk about sex and dating. I mean, you know,

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:12.200
<v Speaker 2>not the graphic any you know, whatever, details of life.

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Communication is very open.

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very open, and I did not feel that way

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 2>when we when I was you know, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe even I feel like, well around eighteen, like around

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the time I went off to college, I feel like

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 2>that became more of a part of our relationship. But

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I do think when I was younger, and it makes

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 2>sense that I think you for various ways that you

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>grew up and things that you dealt with as a

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 2>young child like that you would take a maybe more

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 2>protective bent on dating. Does not mean I didn't date

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and talk about the benefits of divorce. I think sometimes

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a guy would ask me to hang out when I

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>was in like early high school, and I'd be like,

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>ask me next weekend.

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Uras comes out on a podcast, but clever.

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I you know, it's funny that you mentioned Cody and

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>yours age difference because actually, and this is now, I

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>as a twenty eight year old, am cringing at this guy.

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was a perfectly nice first official boyfriend. Okay,

0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>was a senior when I was a freshman in high school,

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and I that is a round. I mean I think

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I was fifteen, but that is like around the age difference.

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>And then we actually even dated into when I was

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a sophomore in high school and he was a freshman

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>in college. I mean briefly, that only lasted a couple

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>of months.

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Do I know who this is? You don't know.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>We went to the state where he went to college

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>together to visit him. He came to a fancy restaurant.

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, yeah. I think I did feel weird

0:26:59.280 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>about that.

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>At the time. No, and now as an adult, I

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>look back on that and I think, you know, of course,

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 2>why did I let that happen. I don't know. I mean,

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:07.719
<v Speaker 2>we went to the same school, that is how, that's

0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 2>how we knew each other. But and I felt very

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>mature for my age or whatever. But I do think,

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that's a strange age gup. And

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 2>now that was not I wasn't sleeping with him. I mean,

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, it was still tame. It was

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>still tame. But I do think that is just it's

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>a very interesting I have so many kind of around

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 2>that time. First kiss. I remember even before that, like

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>in the arc Light, back when arc Light was a

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>movie theater still in Los Angeles, going with two of

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>my best girlfriends and they brought some guy and like

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>his friends from their school. We didn't go to the

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 2>same school, and it was like, Oh, we're all going

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to go see Looper, but actually we're going to make

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>out in the back of the movie theater, something I

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 2>never do because I don't want to miss the movie.

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Now, Yeah, I think it's interesting because this is bleeding

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 3>into another storyline in this episode a little bit, which

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 3>is in this instance, in the Jewel Zac Susan Paul thing,

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 3>we're kind of talking about parents inserting themselves into their

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 3>children's relationships, which is different. But in the Lynette and

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 3>Tom and his dad storyline, you have Lynette inserting herself

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 3>into his father's relationship. And I thought this was I

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 3>thought there was a lot to talk about here. Obviously,

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Lynette is horrified to learn that Tom's dad is having

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 3>an affair. She has a lot of feelings about it.

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 3>She's a little bit appalled by Tom's lack of reaction.

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 3>She then learns that he's known about it, not this

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 3>specific one, but other affairs, and it opens up this

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 3>whole line of conversation between the two of them about

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 3>affairs and how he feels about his dad and all

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 3>of that, but it did make me curious for you, guys,

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 3>if you've ever been in a position where you've had

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 3>to or felt a desire to offer an opinion on

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 3>someone else's relationship that you're close with.

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I think the only time this ever came up for

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>me was I had a friend who had been in

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a long term marriage and the husband was revealed to

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>have fall in love with another woman and was having

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>an affair. And what I remember mostly is that all

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of her friends were like, get divorced, get divorced, get divorced,

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Like it was just immediately that that, you know, just

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>get divorced, and I wasn't sure that she wanted to

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 1>get divorced, and so I feel like I was the

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>one friend at the time who sort of held space

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>for it to be okay, for her to process this

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>how she needed to. And I think what they ultimately

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>ended up doing was a lot of years of trust rebuilding,

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but ultimately stayed together. And you know, I have a

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of I'm in respect for that because I'm sure

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that took a lot of work and bravery and vulnerability

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>on both of their parts. But it shows me as

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>an example that affairs can be conquered. And also I

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>looked at this part of the story, you know, when

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Tom reveals that the mom has basically not necessarily been

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>in on it, but sort of like in their words,

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I think like kind of made her peace with this

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>is her husband's behavior, and this is he goes out

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and he has these relationships with this woman or that woman,

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and that you know, it's sort of okay with her.

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>And we don't meet her, so we don't know if

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>that's really true or not. But what it did make

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>me think is like we can be very judgmental about

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>how what is the right way to be in a relationship,

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that is a mistake. I think

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that in general, we are all too hard on each other,

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>too judgmental of each other. You just don't know what

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>people are going through, and we should all just lead

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>with a lot more, just give people some grace because

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you just don't know. And it's also none of your business.

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 3>It's people's relationship. It's their rules that they're comfortable with,

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 3>it's the contract that they entered into, and it's very individual.

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Every relationship is so unique to the two people or

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 3>three or four however many are involved.

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean I always tell, you know, bringing it back

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to politics a little bit, like something that had been

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>going on like in the last year for Emerson. And

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think I'm speaking out of turn

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to talk about this, but no, I what you're about

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to say bringing up like how you were having a

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of anxiety about gay people's ability to get married

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>in the US and is that something that's at risk,

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and yes it is and where is that going and

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>what can anybody do about it? And I along with

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>just sharing the anxiety about me not being on the

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>side of thinking that that's reasonable, but beyond that, I

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>would say to Emerson, set aside that issue. I have

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>never I have been saying this for forty years. I

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think the government should be involved in anyone's marriage,

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I just don't see it as a governmental thing.

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>And the only reason I think it became it like

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>decades ago, was in order for the government to get

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>taxes or you know, get like it became a financial thing,

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>which has nothing to do with the the honoring, the resolution,

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the commitment, the spirituality, the community of your wedding and

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>the people that are committed to supporting you as a couple.

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Like all of that is so beautiful and so worthwhiled,

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>but has nothing to do with the government. So I'm

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>just sort of like, get married, but don't involve the

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>government anyway. You know. That's my two sents.

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree. I agree that I

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>think the central component to me of a marriage and

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of that contract you decide to enter into with someone

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>is to say we are going to we want to

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 2>go through this life together, you know. And I think

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 2>we do live in a country and generally marriage is

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>set up now, so yes, they're benefits. There are laws

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>around if you're visiting in a hospital, if you're you know,

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and I think that everyone who is in any type

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>of committed partnership should just that should be recognized. I

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>recognize that that is maybe you know why the government

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>is involved, and it's obviously very upsetting that, you know,

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 2>we have a government that wants to recognize those types

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>of rights but for certain individuals and not for others,

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>when really it's about who do you want to choose

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>to be your support system through life? I mean, I

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>really think that is. You know, you choose that in

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>your friends, and then you say, okay, I want my

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>primary point person to be this person and maybe.

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 3>It has really come into play in important ways in

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 3>your life. It can and see those barriers regardless of

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 3>whether or not we think it's right or wrong. We

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 3>do live in a society where the government is involved,

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 3>and so that access that we grant some is so necessary,

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 3>and when we decide that other people don't deserve it

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 3>is just so un fair, soul crushing and unreasonable. And yeah,

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 3>I had a personal experience that I found really impactful

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 3>in my early twenties with a friend of mine who

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 3>was dating someone who was not treating her well. And

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I had witnessed him not treating her well enough times,

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>and I'd had a lot of conversations with her about it.

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 3>She and I are very very close. She'd come to

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 3>me a lot about it. I'd given her about all

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>of the advice that I felt like I could. I

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 3>didn't have any more to give, And the last thing

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 3>that I could do was sort of recognize that I

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 3>can't control what she does, and it is very much

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 3>her decision. If she wants to continue putting up with it,

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 3>and if she sees the value out weighing the negatives,

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 3>then that's her choice. The only thing I can do

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 3>is control my what I can tolerate, and I can't

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 3>tolerate being a witness to it anymore. So therefore I

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 3>support you, I love you, I'm here for you, but

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm not here for the relationship. So I won't be

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 3>around that person. And she is told me that by

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 3>me taking that level of a stance of saying I

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 3>won't be around them, it really changed everything for her

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 3>and she could just totally, you know, accept and see

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:15.280
<v Speaker 3>fully that this wasn't a healthy relationship anymore. So anyway,

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 3>that's my example.

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>That's because I could see that backfiring on your friendship too.

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I could do it was a risk, it was a

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>big risk.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>That's that's interesting. Yeah, And I think that's brave that

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you put yourself out there like that.

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 3>I loved her and I still love her, and I

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 3>just wanted better for her.

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's really interesting in terms of the

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 2>line that we see Lynette take with Tom's dad. I mean,

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>first it's and it's such a good comedic feat that

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>she puts him out on the curb, and then you

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 2>see her and Tom kind of have more of an

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 2>argument about it, and then we cut to immediately Tom

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 2>out on the curb, sitting next to his dad, and

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>eventually they they let him back in. But I feel

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 2>like Lynette is saying a version of what you said

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of you know what you are saying, And I am

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>personally I am a big believer in the idea that

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 2>you know they talk about maybe Tom's dad's or Tom's

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>dad's wife knows to some degree that these this affair

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>is happening. And I really do believe energetically or cosmically

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>that everybody kind of knows everything. I mean not to

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>say that, obviously, it is our responsibility to communicate our needs,

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>and people are not mind readers, and people are very

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 2>capable of keeping secrets. But I do think if you're

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>thinking about who is the kind of person who has

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>an affair over the course of many years of their marriage, you.

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Feel like you know who that is.

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's hard for me to believe that their partner

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know, Yeah, Noor, she did know, or is completely

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 2>blindsided by that information. But Lynette is saying, whatever you

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 2>have worked out with your family and what they are

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>willing to tolerate, I'm not willing to tolerate that. And

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>that seems to really stick with Tom in a way

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 2>that it's that he is maybe hiding something. Yea, we're

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna find out that's making him extra nervous. At first,

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I got scared.

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 3>I forgot. I don't know.

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know either, but it did make it seem

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>like maybe Tom had already had an affair.

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it made me think, And Mom, you and

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I talk about this a lot. What is the line

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>of how much you think our parents are a reflection

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>of who we are as people, Like I remember really distinctly.

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:27.720
<v Speaker 2>I think when you're young, you know, when you're Julie's

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>age and or Zach's age, and there's so much embarrassment

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>around anything that your parent does, like, oh my god,

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 2>don't speak to me in the carpool line when you

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>pick me up from school. Just keep the windows up.

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I remember, like with my dad once he took me

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.280
<v Speaker 2>to Starbucks in the morning before school. We were standing

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 2>in line. He loves the story, and his phone dings

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 2>and he looks at his phone and I'm standing in

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 2>front of him in line, and I have texted him, Dad,

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 2>all my friends are here, don't do anything. I don't

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 2>do anything, do anyone in order? And I think, you know,

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>we shed a lot of that embarrassment that we feel

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>in our teenage years when we come to realize that

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 2>our parents' actions are not a reflection of our actions,

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and that everyone is their own person.

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I think this leads in a little bit to Mary

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Alice has all of you know, she always has her

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>overarching view of everyone on Westeria Lane, and in this

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>episode she says, sooner or later, time comes to be

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:32.439
<v Speaker 1>a responsible adult, to give up what you may want

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and do what is right. And it makes me think,

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>do you think becoming a responsible adult means giving up

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the life that you want to go after? Which I

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>bring it up now because I agree that by extension,

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.879
<v Speaker 1>there becomes a time when you're going from childhood into

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>adulthood taking on responsibility that you can choose to be

0:38:56.280 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>your parents or not. And some times that has to

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>be a very conscious I mean, I spent a lot

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 1>of my adult life going I am not my mother,

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I am not my mother, I am not going to

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>be my mother, and I know you, and then sometimes

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I go, oh, my god, I'm my mother, and and

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 1>it makes me want to, you know, punish myself, because

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of qualities in my mother that are

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 1>not great, and I don't want to emulate. I mean,

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>there's parts of her that are great, but like, I

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be my mother, and I think so

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of, I'm sort of answering your question too, which is,

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I think you can elevate beyond who your parents are

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and what you've witnessed as a role model. But I

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Do you think becoming an adult means letting

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>go of what you want?

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I think not. Yeah, i'mar and sweet, No, I don't. Okay, yeah,

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I marked this moment too, because I think I actually

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 2>see friends of mine and people I know whose parents

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>seem to have this belief that it is immature to

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>be pursuing what you want to do, and that that's like, oh, well,

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.879
<v Speaker 2>that's rivolous to try to build a career or build

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.439
<v Speaker 2>a life around what you want, Like you're such a child.

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>What you actually should do is commit to something stable

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>that you don't like that much, but it pays your bills.

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 2>That's being an adult, Because that's being an adult. And

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I think, God, I'm sorry for my friends have so

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 2>much dismantling to do from their parents' belief systems in

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>order to have a happy life. Because I disagree. I

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I entirely disagree. I think being an adult

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is maybe learning how to take responsibility for your actions,

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 2>learning that your actions don't exist in a vacuum. There's consequences, yeah,

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and that what you do affects the other people around.

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 3>You, and there's compromise. Sometimes you have to do things

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to do. It's not a living a

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 3>life of indulgence or living a life of selfishness, right,

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 3>It's that there's trade off. Sometimes you have to do

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>something you don't want to do because it's necessary, or

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 3>it benefits someone else, or you have an obligation to

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 3>meet or whatever. That as being an adult, but it's

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>don't enjoy your life, give up the things that you

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 3>want to do.

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, I think that responsibility also really does

0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 2>have to be balanced with the fact that, at least

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 2>personally for me, I believe this is our one life.

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, it is a huge gift that we ended

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 2>up in human form, in this life, in this moment,

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and to some degree, I think you're entitled to enjoy

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>your life. I think that you know, being born into

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:28.720
<v Speaker 2>this world gives you that entitlement.

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>And do you know that every night when I go

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to sleep, Like people will ask me if I meditate,

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>and the version of meditating that I do. When I

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>go to sleep, I put my head on the pillow

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and all the lights are off and I and I

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>start reflecting on what I was grateful for in that day.

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 2>And it could be the.

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Littlest thing, you know, like the feeling of the pillow

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>on my I already told you I'm devoted to my pillow,

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the feeling of the pillow, or like like it that

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I got to have two real deep conversations with two

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>different girlfriends on one day, which never happens, you know,

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>and and or you know, I saw a bird or

0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I ate the hash browns or whatever. But it those

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 1>conscious acknowledgments of the moments that your life is made

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 1>of and the ones that you enjoy, I think start

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to define like that you're having a life you want

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 1>to have.

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was another Mary Alice line that I flagged

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 3>from this episode that I just kind of caught a

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 3>double entendre that I'm not sure I would have the

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 3>first go around for myself, which was I think it

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 3>might be the last line in the episode. She says,

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 3>sooner or later, we must all become responsible adults. No

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 3>one knows this better than the young. And she says

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 3>this as it's right after Julian Zach meet back up

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 3>against their parents' wishes and whatever. But their last name

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 3>being young Mary Alice Young Zach Young landed with me,

0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 3>and I was so. I was kind of emotional about

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 3>it because it became we listened to Mary Alice give

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 3>us this insight, and her narrations serve so many plot

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 3>devices and furthering the storyline and also just giving us

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 3>so much wisdom throughout. But she is also watching the

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 3>lives of her friends and her exit or her husband

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and her son, and so when she says that no

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 3>one knows this better than the young, it just really

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 3>struck me that or if they meant it that way,

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 3>I feel like with our writers that faces and they

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 3>must have, but I don't know that they needed everyone

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 3>to catch it, or maybe everyone did and I just didn't.

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 3>I certainly did this time, and I thought it was

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.240
<v Speaker 3>you beautiful that connection.

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't and as their last name nobody, I so

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.959
<v Speaker 2>am now and I have to say this episode and Mom,

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the scene that Susan has with Paul because they meet

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 2>up back in the dance venue where the school dance has.

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Happened as Sportsman's Lodge.

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Fyo, remember lodge for which is now where arewana is

0:43:56.080 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 1>where you can get a forty dollars smoothie and for you.

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>No, but I mean Zach and Paul and and Paul

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>and Susan's dynamic in this episode really just it sang

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>to me a lot. And then the way that you know,

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Susan and Paul have this moment dancing to what is

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the song Dustin?

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And that made me I love that song, but it

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>also made me I don't want to get in the

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>way of your point, but it did make me want

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 1>to talk about playlists and which you know and just

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>music and what it does to you because that I

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe that that was the song. And it also

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like they paid for that song. I was

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 1>sort of surprised, Yes, go ahead.

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>It was a beautiful scene where you feel Susan towing

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.839
<v Speaker 2>the line of how much is Paul going to tell

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 2>her because she doesn't actually know what Zach has done yet.

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>In that scene, it's like fishing, yeah, and then we

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>find out what Zach has done maybe maybe he actually

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 2>hasn't killed his sister. He's been led to believe he

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>killed his sister. And now and I said, oh my god,

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 2>this show should not have been set on Wisteria Lane.

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>It should have been set on blackmail Lane, because everyone

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 2>is blackmailing everyone now Zach' mysteria lane. Now Zach is

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>blackmailing Paul to not move so he can stay in

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 2>this relationship with Julie. And you have Susan confront Zach

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 2>before him and Julie run to meet up for that

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>very last scene of the episode. And I really I

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>was kind of haunted by the scene at the end

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 2>with Julian Zach, but also the scene prior between Susan and.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Zach.

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh, Zach, oh in the kitchen.

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:43.759
<v Speaker 2>We're in the kitchen, And I wanted to know. I mean,

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I know we've talked about your first kiss and being

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>a parent and navigating that, but do you remember filming

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>that scene? Because I just thought, gosh, how challenging to

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:56.919
<v Speaker 2>have a child who maybe suffers from mental illness. How

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>challenging to have a child dating a child who has

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>a predictable behavior, you know, whether that has anything to

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 2>do with underlying conditions or not. And I thought you

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 2>handled that scene so well as an actor, Mom, But

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 2>do you remember anything about that? It was really intense.

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Again, I'm gonna say that, you know, Unfortunately I don't

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>other than like what comes through me, like what resonates

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 1>is that, Yes, it was intense, and I feel like

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Cody and I had each other's backs. I feel like

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this is the same thing I was saying about Nicolette

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and in the Edie Susan scene where they take the

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:38.200
<v Speaker 1>ashes out, Like sometimes I'm not remembering the specificity of

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.360
<v Speaker 1>like what might have gone wrong or what might have

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 1>been funny, like you know, did the cabinet not fall

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>over the right way one time or whatever, Like I'm

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>not remembering those things, but I'm remembering an overall sense

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of like that is a scary place to go to,

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.400
<v Speaker 1>like as an actor, And that's the fun of being

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>an actor that you get you get led on these

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>different journeys depending on what the character's story is. But

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>when you know as the actor that you're gonna have

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to go to this place, like, I agree with you.

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was played well. I thought what I

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 1>saw in Susan was like I really want to be

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>respectful about how is there a way for everybody to

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>get a win, like, can Julie have what she wants?

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Can Zac have what he wants? Can Susan still feels safe?

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I kind of saw that until he throws the thing,

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and then it's like and she says, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>making this so easy on me, and I actually love

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that felt like a very true moment too,

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 1>whenever you're like having a difficulty with somebody and then

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they do something that's so egregious that all you can

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<v Speaker 1>think is, I'm not mad about the egregious thing you

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<v Speaker 1>just did. I'm just super happy that you just did it,

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<v Speaker 1>because now this is not hard for me at all,

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<v Speaker 1>And there's like relief in that because it's permission.

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<v Speaker 3>It's permission to just go with your instinct and you

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 3>don't have to worry about how the other person feels anymore,

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 3>sort of because they just did something that made it

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 3>very clear cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like it would be interesting to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Cody because I feel like I kind of recall

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<v Speaker 1>again and maybe this is just like my angle of

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<v Speaker 1>like the way I at least am remembering what it's

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 1>like to act in something like that long ago. But

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we both were probably really trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find the subtlety in.

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<v Speaker 3>It all, and Cody was I mean, Cody was a

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 3>very committed actor. He took his job very seriously. He

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 3>showed up with ideas, he showed up prepared, and he

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.759
<v Speaker 3>was intense. When in those scenes where he had to

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 3>be intense, he took them very seriously. He felt a

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 3>big responsibility to play those out. So I can imagine

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.439
<v Speaker 3>it was an intense moment to film as well, because

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 3>he probably thought about it a lot and done quite

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of prep prior to showing up.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think about another big theme that emerged

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<v Speaker 2>for me towards the end of this episode, the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of how relationships and the relationships we have to other

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 2>people can sometimes cloud and make it difficult to know

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<v Speaker 2>what we need as individuals. You know, in the relation

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<v Speaker 2>to John and Gabby's relationship, John has clouded his idea

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<v Speaker 2>of what going to college means because he's thinking about

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 2>his relationship with Gabby and maybe not about what's best

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 2>for him as an individual. We see Rex and Brie

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 2>in their divorce. Brie seems really steadfast on saying this

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>is what I need as an individual, and Rex is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to still think about them as a unit, and

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:33.799
<v Speaker 2>we have.

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<v Speaker 3>How those tables have turned. Now he wants the relationship

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<v Speaker 3>to maybe work, and she's checked out. Now she's decided

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 3>it's no longer going to serve her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Julie and Zach, I mean, I question what

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Julie wants because I feel like Zach is really leading

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 2>their relationship along, even though we know that Julie cares

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:57.399
<v Speaker 2>about him. And Yeah, I'm just curious. Have you ever

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 2>either of you felt like I think you know? It

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>can be both. A relationship can be really supportive of

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 2>your individuality, but it can also make it harder to

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe identify or advocate for what those individual needs are.

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you've experienced a version of that

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<v Speaker 2>or have any thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 3>In relation to this, when two people are in a

0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 3>relationship who are very similar versus seeking out relationships where

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.800
<v Speaker 3>you're different from one another, I don't know which is

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it depends on the person, right. Sometimes people

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<v Speaker 3>like to be with people who are very similar with

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot of shared interests, and sometimes it's better for

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.480
<v Speaker 3>those to maintain their individuality by being with people who

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.240
<v Speaker 3>are very different from them. I think it's very common

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:39.280
<v Speaker 3>for people to lose a sense of individuality or identity

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 3>in a relationship, and it can be very damaging because

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 3>the relationships with ourselves have to be at the forefront

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.239
<v Speaker 3>of our lives so that we can offer a full

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 3>person to someone else. And I think that I've been

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 3>in relationships where I've been very similar with the partner,

0:50:56.680 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 3>and for me personally, it has been more fulfilling to

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.839
<v Speaker 3>me to be with someone who is different, different than

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 3>I am. Not in always and the core ways to

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of similar values and morals and things

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 3>like that, but interests being different. The way we react

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:16.640
<v Speaker 3>to things being different, I feel like allows me to

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:20.319
<v Speaker 3>feel a sense of individuality. But I get to learn

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 3>all the time from the other person, and I love that.

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 3>And I learned things about myself, for good and bad,

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 3>that I think are really valuable to the maintenance and

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 3>longevity of a relationship. And just another thing about the

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:37.000
<v Speaker 3>John Gabby thing, because I thought it was so interesting.

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.239
<v Speaker 3>We see him propose to her, which is wild. He

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:47.399
<v Speaker 3>proposes by saying, miss is so long, you're getting You're

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 3>not getting it. Can't even call her by her first name.

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 3>But then we learn because the parents come back. The

0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 3>dad comes back for that final scene to confront and

0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.239
<v Speaker 3>she's his mom says, where's the ring? Where's my grandmother's ring?

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 3>So we learned that Gabrielle did. She say, yes, I

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:05.479
<v Speaker 3>don't understand what happened there.

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:07.359
<v Speaker 2>She left the ring.

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>No, she took it.

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.319
<v Speaker 3>She took it because they came. The parents came to say,

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 3>where is our grandmother's ring? And she says something like, I.

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Think she took it because they need money.

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought, she Oh, that's interesting. I hadn't even

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 3>given that a thought.

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was thinking she was going to sell it.

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.839
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I thought that she left it on the table.

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 1>We had to read it.

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:27.800
<v Speaker 3>We have to have another rewatching to figure out what

0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 3>really happened.

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I thought she left it on the table and she said,

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I never really loved you and I Actually this scene

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 2>stood out to me a lot. I thought this was

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 2>such an interesting scene to write when thinking about Gabby's character,

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 2>because obviously I can't speak for Eva as an actor,

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>but I feel that in the writing of this scene,

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.919
<v Speaker 2>Gabby is being asked for the first time to really

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 2>look at the consequences of what she's done. That now

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 2>here is this kid, throwing away his life and future.

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 3>She finally sees him as a kid maybe well to

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:03.319
<v Speaker 3>be with.

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Her, and that she has I think she has really

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.279
<v Speaker 2>loved him, and I think the kind of theme of

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, we give up what we want to do,

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 2>what is right, this idea that maybe we disagree with

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>what it is that that's what Gabby is doing in

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:18.920
<v Speaker 2>that scene. I think she does love him, but I

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 2>think she knows saying I was never in love with

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you will make him let go of the idea of

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 2>their relationship in a way that will let him have

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a future and that does have hope. And that's the

0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 2>adult thing for her to do, which which I was

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:34.680
<v Speaker 2>happy to finally see her do.

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a redeeming moment for her character.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a good way to end this episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think everybody, everybody being their most adult self. And

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<v Speaker 1>so then the three of us are going to go

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.399
<v Speaker 1>adult this week, and then we'll see each other next week,

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you guys next week too, because we

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 1>are desperately devoted to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound Na