1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:15,125 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello everyone, Welcome to another episode of 2 00:00:15,165 --> 00:00:18,605 Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals, the podcast where we talk about all of 3 00:00:18,645 --> 00:00:22,285 Speaker 1: the fun and crazy ways that people have died to 4 00:00:22,365 --> 00:00:26,005 Speaker 1: cope with our own mortality. I am your host, Taylor, 5 00:00:26,165 --> 00:00:33,005 Speaker 1: along with Nika oh Hi and Gabby Hey. So today 6 00:00:33,085 --> 00:00:35,845 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the dangers of opening 7 00:00:35,845 --> 00:00:39,085 Speaker 1: an ancient tomb and what happens when you have too 8 00:00:39,085 --> 00:00:43,205 Speaker 1: many corpses in the city. Oops, corpses in the city. 9 00:00:43,405 --> 00:00:47,005 Speaker 1: So today's trigger warnings are actually pretty intense. We do 10 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:52,205 Speaker 1: talk about Nazis, concentration camps, a bit, mummies, bacterial infection, 11 00:00:52,405 --> 00:00:56,885 Speaker 1: bodily fluids, corpses, cemeteries, and the French. So if you 12 00:00:56,925 --> 00:01:16,725 Speaker 1: have a week's stomach, lookout que cadaver theme go okay, great. 13 00:01:17,005 --> 00:01:20,565 Speaker 1: So during that theme we talked about how bad Nazis are, 14 00:01:20,645 --> 00:01:24,725 Speaker 1: both from World War Two and today. So that's great. Um, 15 00:01:25,245 --> 00:01:28,285 Speaker 1: I think we should just kind of dive right in. Nika, 16 00:01:28,405 --> 00:01:32,365 Speaker 1: do you want to tell us about how you shouldn't 17 00:01:32,365 --> 00:01:36,925 Speaker 1: be breaking into tombs? Absolutely? You know right, Hold up, 18 00:01:36,925 --> 00:01:42,005 Speaker 1: we're not supposed to cancel your summer plans. Gabby lovingly, da, 19 00:01:42,325 --> 00:01:44,245 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Hot girl, summer is 20 00:01:44,285 --> 00:01:48,525 Speaker 1: not going to involve opening up ancient tombs. Hot corpse summer, 21 00:01:48,805 --> 00:01:52,485 Speaker 1: Hot corpse summer. We're all hot corpses, aren't we. So 22 00:01:53,405 --> 00:01:58,365 Speaker 1: I recently rewatched The Mummy, the nineteen ninety nine movie. 23 00:01:58,765 --> 00:02:00,885 Speaker 1: When it came out, I was two years old, So 24 00:02:00,925 --> 00:02:04,005 Speaker 1: I rewatched it because you know, when you're two, you're 25 00:02:04,005 --> 00:02:07,485 Speaker 1: not really allowed to see stuff like that. And um, wow, 26 00:02:08,125 --> 00:02:10,605 Speaker 1: what a work of art. I mean, it's truly a 27 00:02:10,645 --> 00:02:14,805 Speaker 1: film for everyone. It's a film mostly for the bisexuals, 28 00:02:14,965 --> 00:02:17,805 Speaker 1: but truly it's a film for everyone. Anyone who likes 29 00:02:17,805 --> 00:02:21,245 Speaker 1: beautiful people should watch this movie. It's incredible. Why is 30 00:02:21,285 --> 00:02:26,725 Speaker 1: it for bisexuals? Because everyone's so hot? Everyone? Okay, they 31 00:02:26,725 --> 00:02:29,805 Speaker 1: don't go over bisexual like themes. They know there's just 32 00:02:29,845 --> 00:02:35,805 Speaker 1: hot people, got it. Everyone's favorite bisexual film, The Mummy. Absolutely. Ye. 33 00:02:36,565 --> 00:02:39,805 Speaker 1: Didn't you know the bisexuals open ancient tombs? Gabby? You 34 00:02:39,845 --> 00:02:42,605 Speaker 1: should know that as a part of the bisexual community. 35 00:02:42,765 --> 00:02:47,965 Speaker 1: Sounds all bisexuals know, all bisexuals, Yeah we do, we 36 00:02:48,005 --> 00:02:51,405 Speaker 1: do well. So I watched that, And did you guys 37 00:02:51,445 --> 00:02:56,125 Speaker 1: actually know that the movie is a documentary? So bananas, 38 00:02:56,165 --> 00:03:00,965 Speaker 1: so document it's a one to one great. I feel 39 00:03:01,005 --> 00:03:04,005 Speaker 1: like that's that's the joke I make about everything, And 40 00:03:04,045 --> 00:03:06,845 Speaker 1: now you're saying, no, really, it's a documentary it is. Well, 41 00:03:06,885 --> 00:03:08,765 Speaker 1: I actually do think I took that joke from you. 42 00:03:09,365 --> 00:03:13,645 Speaker 1: By documentary obviously, I mean it is based very loosely 43 00:03:13,765 --> 00:03:18,165 Speaker 1: on King Tutin Camun's curse, which is said to have 44 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:22,205 Speaker 1: killed a few people in the nineteen twenties. I used 45 00:03:22,245 --> 00:03:25,645 Speaker 1: to be, and still am, pretty fascinated with Egyptian mythology 46 00:03:26,045 --> 00:03:29,885 Speaker 1: and ancient Egyptian culture. So I'm very excited to dive 47 00:03:30,005 --> 00:03:32,805 Speaker 1: into this. Did you guys like my segue I died 48 00:03:33,325 --> 00:03:36,645 Speaker 1: in you? Did it? Turn out of ten? Thank you? 49 00:03:37,205 --> 00:03:42,005 Speaker 1: The bisexual community stands behind you. I do it for them. 50 00:03:42,525 --> 00:03:45,565 Speaker 1: So this man, we're going to the nineteen twenties, of course, 51 00:03:45,645 --> 00:03:48,445 Speaker 1: and this man a fancy man. He's a lord. His 52 00:03:48,565 --> 00:03:53,445 Speaker 1: name is Lord Carnarvon Canon. I'm gonna pronounce it like that, 53 00:03:53,445 --> 00:03:55,525 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure that's a differentay to pronounce it. Also, 54 00:03:55,685 --> 00:03:57,725 Speaker 1: white people always be like, oh, it's your name's hard 55 00:03:57,725 --> 00:04:04,845 Speaker 1: to pronounce. How do you say Carnarvon? Okay? Anyway, all, yes, 56 00:04:05,045 --> 00:04:12,325 Speaker 1: Cavin Brian, he's a racist anyway, camp in the nineteen twenties. No, 57 00:04:12,445 --> 00:04:15,285 Speaker 1: I would never speak of him. So he is an 58 00:04:15,325 --> 00:04:18,605 Speaker 1: English earl, not Brian Kemp, Lord the Lord Carnarvon, and 59 00:04:18,805 --> 00:04:22,245 Speaker 1: he died in nineteen twenty three. He and his family 60 00:04:22,325 --> 00:04:25,085 Speaker 1: were super rich because of you know, the whole Lord thing. 61 00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:29,085 Speaker 1: And he visited Egypt for the first time after a 62 00:04:29,125 --> 00:04:32,605 Speaker 1: really bad car accident that left him kind of immunocompromise. 63 00:04:32,685 --> 00:04:35,885 Speaker 1: It seems like before going to Egypt he was into 64 00:04:35,925 --> 00:04:38,565 Speaker 1: like automobiles and how cool and knew they were. At 65 00:04:38,565 --> 00:04:41,245 Speaker 1: the time, he was going a little fast, little speed 66 00:04:41,365 --> 00:04:46,085 Speaker 1: racer and got hurt really badly. I was gonna say died, 67 00:04:46,125 --> 00:04:49,325 Speaker 1: but no, he has yet to die in that moment. 68 00:04:49,885 --> 00:04:53,685 Speaker 1: So he obviously was immunocompromised because of the car accident. 69 00:04:53,925 --> 00:04:57,485 Speaker 1: He would get consistent lung infections. The weather in England 70 00:04:57,685 --> 00:05:01,085 Speaker 1: was bleak and rainy and obviously not great for his system. 71 00:05:01,565 --> 00:05:04,405 Speaker 1: So he would winter in Cairo, which you know someone 72 00:05:04,445 --> 00:05:07,365 Speaker 1: is rich when they go. I'm win entering in whatever Cairo. 73 00:05:07,525 --> 00:05:09,045 Speaker 1: That's all I want to be when I grow up, 74 00:05:09,085 --> 00:05:12,845 Speaker 1: as somebody who like summers and somewhere or Yeah, basically 75 00:05:12,845 --> 00:05:14,125 Speaker 1: I just want to be rich, but I want to 76 00:05:14,125 --> 00:05:16,605 Speaker 1: just like have a different house for the different seasons. 77 00:05:16,725 --> 00:05:19,525 Speaker 1: Like I understand that. Yeah, at this point in my life, 78 00:05:19,525 --> 00:05:22,285 Speaker 1: I'm honestly not going to try to be rich by myself. 79 00:05:22,325 --> 00:05:23,845 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let my partner do it and then 80 00:05:24,045 --> 00:05:26,645 Speaker 1: mooch off of them. Yeah, I feel like it's pretty 81 00:05:26,645 --> 00:05:29,605 Speaker 1: clear I'm not gonna be rich. We don't know that, Taylor. 82 00:05:31,005 --> 00:05:35,085 Speaker 1: I also think it's fun how it's like I don't 83 00:05:35,085 --> 00:05:37,885 Speaker 1: feel like people prescribe that anymore, as like go live 84 00:05:37,885 --> 00:05:40,845 Speaker 1: in a different place to feel better, like go take 85 00:05:40,885 --> 00:05:46,125 Speaker 1: the air elsewhere you need different du Yeah, but before that, 86 00:05:46,285 --> 00:05:48,445 Speaker 1: before it was like a whole whole big thing. That's 87 00:05:48,485 --> 00:05:52,165 Speaker 1: like why Swedish like bath cities where they just said 88 00:05:52,165 --> 00:05:54,765 Speaker 1: the air was really clear and the water was really clean. 89 00:05:54,805 --> 00:05:57,245 Speaker 1: They would like take children there who had like I 90 00:05:57,245 --> 00:06:00,845 Speaker 1: don't know, typhoid or whatever. Anyway, what's typhoid? I don't know. 91 00:06:01,325 --> 00:06:05,125 Speaker 1: So he goes into so he goes to Egypt for 92 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:08,245 Speaker 1: the window, and he's kind of bored in Kaido, and 93 00:06:08,325 --> 00:06:11,525 Speaker 1: so he gets into this Egyptology craze, which was something 94 00:06:11,565 --> 00:06:13,605 Speaker 1: that people with a lot of money we're getting into 95 00:06:13,685 --> 00:06:15,805 Speaker 1: at the time, they were doing this as a hobby. 96 00:06:15,845 --> 00:06:19,125 Speaker 1: There was actually a word called Egyptomania because it was 97 00:06:19,445 --> 00:06:21,965 Speaker 1: all bananas. And these people that had money would finance 98 00:06:22,125 --> 00:06:25,685 Speaker 1: or lead excavations in Egypt and dig for artifacts and 99 00:06:25,765 --> 00:06:29,405 Speaker 1: tombs and mummies and treasure, which yeah, they did find 100 00:06:29,405 --> 00:06:32,485 Speaker 1: some treasure sometimes. This kind of trend started right after 101 00:06:32,845 --> 00:06:36,885 Speaker 1: Napoleon's invasion of Egypt in seventeen ninety eight, and it 102 00:06:36,965 --> 00:06:40,845 Speaker 1: continued for like, I mean decades and decades at that point. 103 00:06:40,925 --> 00:06:45,565 Speaker 1: So our friend the Lord was really into that. And yeah, 104 00:06:45,645 --> 00:06:47,965 Speaker 1: I don't know, he might have gone to they had 105 00:06:48,005 --> 00:06:53,525 Speaker 1: these things called mummy unwrappings where and this was like 106 00:06:53,525 --> 00:06:57,165 Speaker 1: in the Victorian times. We were talking like late eighteen hundreds. 107 00:06:57,245 --> 00:06:58,845 Speaker 1: But who knows, he could have maybe gone to one. 108 00:06:59,165 --> 00:07:03,045 Speaker 1: But this Victorian surgeon he would conduct these things and 109 00:07:03,405 --> 00:07:05,965 Speaker 1: basically he had a mummy and he it was like 110 00:07:06,005 --> 00:07:08,045 Speaker 1: a social thing. He would like put it on a 111 00:07:08,165 --> 00:07:12,565 Speaker 1: table an unwrapid in front of people, and he did 112 00:07:12,565 --> 00:07:15,725 Speaker 1: so obviously for profit and because people were fascinated, and 113 00:07:15,885 --> 00:07:19,725 Speaker 1: also because of racism. He wanted to prove it Egyptians 114 00:07:19,725 --> 00:07:25,085 Speaker 1: were not black. Okay, that is fucked up as wow. Anyway, 115 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:28,085 Speaker 1: what a fun hobby. I also feel like that's like 116 00:07:28,165 --> 00:07:31,525 Speaker 1: the you know bloggers now and they're like unboxing of 117 00:07:31,605 --> 00:07:39,725 Speaker 1: their whatever. It is the first unboxing. First unboxing was 118 00:07:39,765 --> 00:07:43,405 Speaker 1: actually Egyptian mummies and it was to fuel racist ideologies. 119 00:07:43,445 --> 00:07:47,325 Speaker 1: I love it. Thanks so much for connecting those dots. Taylor. Um, 120 00:07:47,725 --> 00:07:50,805 Speaker 1: no wonder you're talking about Nazis in this episode any way. 121 00:07:50,965 --> 00:07:58,085 Speaker 1: So back to Lord Current Carnal back to the carnival circus. 122 00:07:58,125 --> 00:08:01,045 Speaker 1: So he is in Egypt, and he doesn't know a 123 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:04,765 Speaker 1: lot about ancient Egyptian culture or how to excavate things, 124 00:08:05,165 --> 00:08:07,925 Speaker 1: so his first few excavations don't go well. Then he 125 00:08:07,965 --> 00:08:12,285 Speaker 1: meets this guy, Howard Carter. Howard is a scientist and 126 00:08:12,525 --> 00:08:16,445 Speaker 1: an archaeologist who needs a financer for his projects. It 127 00:08:16,525 --> 00:08:18,605 Speaker 1: makes sense that they get along very well then, and 128 00:08:18,805 --> 00:08:22,085 Speaker 1: the Lord agrees to find the Lord God No, the 129 00:08:22,165 --> 00:08:26,925 Speaker 1: Lord degrees to finance Carter's excavations the Lord and this 130 00:08:27,005 --> 00:08:30,485 Speaker 1: is how it begins. They have a beautiful friendship. They're excavating, 131 00:08:30,685 --> 00:08:33,445 Speaker 1: they are out in the desert. It was said that 132 00:08:33,965 --> 00:08:36,725 Speaker 1: for Lord Carnarvon this was like a hobby and so 133 00:08:36,725 --> 00:08:39,325 Speaker 1: he would take his wife, which okay, that's cool as 134 00:08:39,325 --> 00:08:42,445 Speaker 1: a wife guy, and they would go to the desert 135 00:08:42,485 --> 00:08:45,205 Speaker 1: to where the excavations were happening and have like a 136 00:08:45,325 --> 00:08:48,605 Speaker 1: cool tent with mosquito net coverings, and she would go 137 00:08:48,645 --> 00:08:51,605 Speaker 1: and high heels and fancy dresses and they would watch 138 00:08:52,405 --> 00:08:57,045 Speaker 1: Egyptians and Howard like slave over these tombs and try 139 00:08:57,085 --> 00:09:00,165 Speaker 1: to like break them open for him. So love that 140 00:09:01,125 --> 00:09:04,405 Speaker 1: it allows that either. So that was like a hobby 141 00:09:04,445 --> 00:09:08,205 Speaker 1: for him, and it was going actually relatively well. They're 142 00:09:08,285 --> 00:09:12,245 Speaker 1: excavating with dozens of workers and they find some buried artifacts. 143 00:09:12,445 --> 00:09:14,445 Speaker 1: This happens for a couple of seasons, but there really 144 00:09:14,445 --> 00:09:18,525 Speaker 1: aren't any like big discoveries. And finally Lord Carnarvon is like, hey, dude, 145 00:09:19,085 --> 00:09:20,885 Speaker 1: like I can't do this anymore. This is a lot 146 00:09:20,925 --> 00:09:24,525 Speaker 1: of money. We haven't discovered anything. And then Carter is like, 147 00:09:24,685 --> 00:09:27,085 Speaker 1: give me one more season. I'll even pay for it myself. 148 00:09:27,205 --> 00:09:30,005 Speaker 1: And the good guy Carnervon, which again I don't know 149 00:09:30,045 --> 00:09:31,805 Speaker 1: how good this guy was, but he's like, you know what, 150 00:09:32,085 --> 00:09:35,245 Speaker 1: one more season on me. Bro slaps the tab like 151 00:09:35,325 --> 00:09:37,765 Speaker 1: on the bar, pays for it, goes back to London 152 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:42,165 Speaker 1: just to let Howard do his thing in Egypt. So Carter, 153 00:09:42,525 --> 00:09:45,845 Speaker 1: Howard Carter is leading the excavation in this area called 154 00:09:46,005 --> 00:09:49,165 Speaker 1: the Valley of the Kings. It's November nineteen twenty two. 155 00:09:49,725 --> 00:09:52,085 Speaker 1: He has a hunch that this is where he'll find 156 00:09:52,405 --> 00:09:56,125 Speaker 1: King tutin Camun's tomb. He has like a feeling. Three 157 00:09:56,205 --> 00:10:00,085 Speaker 1: days in, yes, three days into the excavation, this Egyptian 158 00:10:00,085 --> 00:10:03,445 Speaker 1: waterboy trips on a stone and looks down at the ground. 159 00:10:04,405 --> 00:10:07,205 Speaker 1: The stone has open a hole where he can see 160 00:10:07,525 --> 00:10:13,445 Speaker 1: what looks like steps. What what? And so he calls 161 00:10:13,525 --> 00:10:17,045 Speaker 1: to Carter, Howard Carter, I don't know why gave Carter 162 00:10:17,125 --> 00:10:21,845 Speaker 1: Carter okay, sorry, Howard car and there I have found 163 00:10:21,885 --> 00:10:26,685 Speaker 1: something under the stone precisely, who rushes over immediately, never 164 00:10:26,765 --> 00:10:30,725 Speaker 1: credits the boy, and they end up uncovering a staircase 165 00:10:30,925 --> 00:10:35,525 Speaker 1: that leads to a door with royal Egyptian symbols on it. Carter, 166 00:10:36,125 --> 00:10:38,725 Speaker 1: out of respect for his financier, does not open the door, 167 00:10:38,765 --> 00:10:41,725 Speaker 1: and in staid, calls for Lord Carnarvon, who arrives two 168 00:10:41,725 --> 00:10:44,805 Speaker 1: weeks later, because he's like, you have to be here 169 00:10:44,885 --> 00:10:48,805 Speaker 1: when I open this door. Can you imagine how long, 170 00:10:49,205 --> 00:10:53,725 Speaker 1: like two weeks, two weeks you'd have to wait? I know, 171 00:10:53,885 --> 00:10:56,125 Speaker 1: and they had to the way these things worked is 172 00:10:56,165 --> 00:10:58,405 Speaker 1: like if you found something, but you couldn't open it yet. 173 00:10:58,605 --> 00:11:01,245 Speaker 1: You had to rebury it to make sure that like 174 00:11:01,285 --> 00:11:03,885 Speaker 1: two robbers didn't, you know, kind of catch wind of 175 00:11:03,965 --> 00:11:07,685 Speaker 1: what was going on and then obviously uncover it again. 176 00:11:07,725 --> 00:11:09,525 Speaker 1: So it's just like a whole process. But he was 177 00:11:09,685 --> 00:11:13,125 Speaker 1: nice and he waited and it paid off because they 178 00:11:13,125 --> 00:11:17,685 Speaker 1: opened the tomb and they see gold and statues and jewels, 179 00:11:17,805 --> 00:11:23,245 Speaker 1: and sure enough King Tut's tomb ktt you know what 180 00:11:23,365 --> 00:11:26,965 Speaker 1: it be. It is three thousand years old and has 181 00:11:27,325 --> 00:11:30,405 Speaker 1: never been opened. A lot of these tombs had already 182 00:11:30,405 --> 00:11:34,885 Speaker 1: been raided by grave robbers or I don't know, tomb writers, 183 00:11:34,925 --> 00:11:37,685 Speaker 1: as I said, but this one was untouched. It had 184 00:11:37,725 --> 00:11:42,325 Speaker 1: never been found. So these men ignoring the curses carved 185 00:11:42,325 --> 00:11:45,285 Speaker 1: into the tomb, which, by the way, these curses can 186 00:11:45,405 --> 00:11:48,365 Speaker 1: range from like sounding like contracts, almost like hey, if 187 00:11:48,405 --> 00:11:50,045 Speaker 1: you do something bad in here, you will receive a 188 00:11:50,165 --> 00:11:53,925 Speaker 1: hundred lashes on your back, which is an example of 189 00:11:53,965 --> 00:11:57,045 Speaker 1: something that was carved into someone's tomb, to stuff like 190 00:11:57,205 --> 00:12:00,125 Speaker 1: whoever trespasses will have their neck rung by the gods 191 00:12:00,205 --> 00:12:03,525 Speaker 1: like that of a goose. So like it's not ideal 192 00:12:03,565 --> 00:12:06,325 Speaker 1: to open it, and what I do? What do they do. 193 00:12:06,365 --> 00:12:12,645 Speaker 1: They all open open it. They open it and it's dusty, 194 00:12:12,965 --> 00:12:17,045 Speaker 1: it's dirty. They end up taking the tomb, the jewels, 195 00:12:17,085 --> 00:12:19,645 Speaker 1: the goal, the mummy, so the king, they take the 196 00:12:19,725 --> 00:12:22,805 Speaker 1: actual like Pharaoh. Um they take all of it, absolutely 197 00:12:22,805 --> 00:12:26,085 Speaker 1: all of it. And UM News surprides very quickly that 198 00:12:26,125 --> 00:12:30,565 Speaker 1: they opened King Tut's tomb, and sensationalist journalism takes a 199 00:12:30,565 --> 00:12:32,845 Speaker 1: hold of it and starts to spin tails on how 200 00:12:33,005 --> 00:12:36,045 Speaker 1: random accidents that some workers got into were directly the 201 00:12:36,125 --> 00:12:38,165 Speaker 1: cause of the curse and all that sort of stuff, 202 00:12:38,365 --> 00:12:43,245 Speaker 1: But they don't have any real substantial claims until Dune 203 00:12:43,325 --> 00:12:48,325 Speaker 1: dund Lord Carnarvon is shaving, and this is a couple 204 00:12:48,365 --> 00:12:53,285 Speaker 1: of months post tomb opening PTO. The original, after the 205 00:12:53,445 --> 00:12:59,405 Speaker 1: tomb unboxing, after the tomb unboxing. Yes, so he is shaving. 206 00:12:59,605 --> 00:13:01,965 Speaker 1: He's looking at himself in the mirror, really proud to 207 00:13:02,005 --> 00:13:06,125 Speaker 1: be stealing from ancient Egyptians. And then as he is shaving, 208 00:13:06,765 --> 00:13:09,605 Speaker 1: he accidentally opens up this mosquito bite that was on 209 00:13:09,685 --> 00:13:12,805 Speaker 1: his cheek and it starts, you know, bleeding, and it's 210 00:13:12,845 --> 00:13:14,605 Speaker 1: just like a cut and he's like, oh, shoot, you know, 211 00:13:14,685 --> 00:13:20,205 Speaker 1: I cut myself. Okay, the cut gets infected, I know, 212 00:13:20,765 --> 00:13:23,525 Speaker 1: and sure enough, he dies of pneumonia a couple of 213 00:13:23,605 --> 00:13:28,565 Speaker 1: days later. Obviously I know that escalated. Yeah, well yeah, 214 00:13:28,685 --> 00:13:30,925 Speaker 1: I mean he had those lung infections. You know, a 215 00:13:31,005 --> 00:13:33,885 Speaker 1: doctor once said, hey, if you get pneumonia, you'll probably die, 216 00:13:34,005 --> 00:13:37,765 Speaker 1: just like know that. So obviously the press says it's 217 00:13:37,845 --> 00:13:42,045 Speaker 1: the curse, which okay, sure, question mark. Now I say 218 00:13:42,045 --> 00:13:44,965 Speaker 1: it's the curse too, Yeah why not? Well, I feel 219 00:13:44,965 --> 00:13:48,565 Speaker 1: like when the press back then got ahold of this story, 220 00:13:49,005 --> 00:13:51,525 Speaker 1: they didn't take into account that he was immuno compromise. 221 00:13:51,685 --> 00:13:53,925 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't take in all the facts. They 222 00:13:54,005 --> 00:13:56,565 Speaker 1: didn't take in all the facts exactly. And if it's 223 00:13:56,605 --> 00:14:01,205 Speaker 1: one thing the cadaver galls know, it's the fact we 224 00:14:02,245 --> 00:14:06,445 Speaker 1: got him. We got him exactly. But what I will 225 00:14:06,525 --> 00:14:08,885 Speaker 1: say about this, so, you know, was it the curse? 226 00:14:09,325 --> 00:14:12,405 Speaker 1: Probably not. But what I will say, there are some 227 00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:16,485 Speaker 1: weird things that make the curse feel a little bit true, 228 00:14:16,605 --> 00:14:20,125 Speaker 1: just like a tiny bit and curse here, yes, exactly. 229 00:14:20,245 --> 00:14:24,685 Speaker 1: So first of all, many ancient Egyptian curses warn people 230 00:14:24,685 --> 00:14:26,885 Speaker 1: that if they take from the sacred tomb, they will 231 00:14:26,925 --> 00:14:31,525 Speaker 1: die of unexplainable, unavoidable illnesses. So it's not like, hey, 232 00:14:31,885 --> 00:14:34,565 Speaker 1: a ghost is gonna come and like kill you. You know, 233 00:14:34,725 --> 00:14:37,485 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you're gonna die, and it's gonna be 234 00:14:37,565 --> 00:14:41,765 Speaker 1: of an illness. And then he did, I know, Wow, 235 00:14:42,005 --> 00:14:44,525 Speaker 1: it must be true, Nica. Now that you spelled it 236 00:14:44,565 --> 00:14:46,525 Speaker 1: out like that, I feel like there's no way it 237 00:14:46,565 --> 00:14:51,045 Speaker 1: couldn't not be true, because nobody dies of illnesses. Okay, well, 238 00:14:51,085 --> 00:14:54,845 Speaker 1: listen up, you whores. I have more. Okay, more for 239 00:14:55,005 --> 00:15:01,845 Speaker 1: the whores. Uh huh. So Carter's pet canary, because he 240 00:15:01,885 --> 00:15:03,965 Speaker 1: had a little yellow bird that would sing for him 241 00:15:03,965 --> 00:15:08,005 Speaker 1: in his house in Egypt, was eaten by a cobra 242 00:15:08,525 --> 00:15:11,685 Speaker 1: the day that he opened the tomb. Okay, come on, 243 00:15:12,005 --> 00:15:15,005 Speaker 1: come on, that's kind of symbolic in Stuss right, where's 244 00:15:15,085 --> 00:15:19,965 Speaker 1: get hungry? Oh? Okay? And eating Carter's specific bird on 245 00:15:19,965 --> 00:15:25,285 Speaker 1: the specific day that he opened the specific tomb. And 246 00:15:25,325 --> 00:15:28,165 Speaker 1: then the strangest part that definitely kind of messed with 247 00:15:28,205 --> 00:15:32,085 Speaker 1: my head is the following there were reports that King 248 00:15:32,165 --> 00:15:35,205 Speaker 1: Tut had a lesion on his cheek in the same 249 00:15:35,205 --> 00:15:39,045 Speaker 1: place where the mosquito bit Lord Carter Von. But because 250 00:15:39,045 --> 00:15:42,365 Speaker 1: I that that one had an autopsy, we'll never know. 251 00:15:43,045 --> 00:15:45,805 Speaker 1: I accept that one. I mean a task to be true. 252 00:15:45,885 --> 00:15:51,205 Speaker 1: Now you provided us three suspicious things. So yeah, the 253 00:15:51,325 --> 00:15:54,565 Speaker 1: curse got him. I'm just sitting back drinking my hot chocolate, 254 00:15:54,725 --> 00:15:58,325 Speaker 1: being like I did my job. You did, you did, 255 00:15:58,405 --> 00:16:03,445 Speaker 1: You've solved it. You've convinced these two jerors. Yeah, we're 256 00:16:03,485 --> 00:16:09,685 Speaker 1: convinced it was a curse. So where do what they 257 00:16:09,725 --> 00:16:13,205 Speaker 1: do with the money with the gold? So it was 258 00:16:13,245 --> 00:16:17,245 Speaker 1: really interesting. A lot of the objects that were still 259 00:16:17,245 --> 00:16:20,485 Speaker 1: in his private collection, he said that when he was 260 00:16:20,765 --> 00:16:25,165 Speaker 1: to die that they would be offered to the quote 261 00:16:25,205 --> 00:16:28,605 Speaker 1: unquote nation, So the British Museum, which by the way, 262 00:16:28,645 --> 00:16:31,485 Speaker 1: take it from a nation to give to another nation. Okay, 263 00:16:33,885 --> 00:16:37,165 Speaker 1: a thoughtful analysis there. Nick I liked that thank you. 264 00:16:38,005 --> 00:16:44,445 Speaker 1: I was like, for only twenty thousand pounds, which is 265 00:16:44,485 --> 00:16:47,445 Speaker 1: obviously way below the value. I mean literally it was 266 00:16:47,445 --> 00:16:51,965 Speaker 1: like at least twelve hundred very precious objects that he had. 267 00:16:52,365 --> 00:16:57,205 Speaker 1: And Lady Gucardnarvonne did not like that idea because she 268 00:16:57,365 --> 00:17:02,405 Speaker 1: was like, why I need more addresses and so basically 269 00:17:02,445 --> 00:17:05,445 Speaker 1: to honor her husband, she offered it to the nation, 270 00:17:05,685 --> 00:17:08,725 Speaker 1: but only gave the director of the British Museum until 271 00:17:08,805 --> 00:17:13,525 Speaker 1: four pm on the same day to make a payment. Obviously, 272 00:17:13,805 --> 00:17:16,845 Speaker 1: they could not do that, and so then she offered 273 00:17:16,965 --> 00:17:20,685 Speaker 1: the collection to the Metropolitan Museum in New York and 274 00:17:20,725 --> 00:17:25,485 Speaker 1: it's sold for one forty five thousand pounds. Well, I 275 00:17:25,525 --> 00:17:27,885 Speaker 1: hope she got something nice out of that. I know, 276 00:17:28,165 --> 00:17:31,645 Speaker 1: another moment where the disease do not get what they want. 277 00:17:33,085 --> 00:17:35,485 Speaker 1: Oh great, this is exciting. I'm going to talk about 278 00:17:35,565 --> 00:17:43,045 Speaker 1: that later today. It's so thematically similar. Oh my god. Yes, 279 00:17:43,845 --> 00:17:46,685 Speaker 1: So we're going to take a quick break, but when 280 00:17:46,685 --> 00:17:48,965 Speaker 1: we come back, I'm going to kind of talk about 281 00:17:49,005 --> 00:17:51,165 Speaker 1: some of the other things that are found in tombs. 282 00:17:53,725 --> 00:17:57,765 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You could have her pals. So Nika just 283 00:17:57,845 --> 00:18:01,765 Speaker 1: told us a wonderful story about how you really just 284 00:18:01,765 --> 00:18:04,885 Speaker 1: shouldn't be taking things from people to then like sell 285 00:18:04,925 --> 00:18:08,325 Speaker 1: to other countries and whatnot, and breaking into tombs and things. 286 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:12,565 Speaker 1: But as Nika mentioned, that was a really pretty popular 287 00:18:12,605 --> 00:18:15,965 Speaker 1: and common thing. People were looking for tombs, trying to 288 00:18:15,965 --> 00:18:21,365 Speaker 1: find those riches. But these tombs were essentially created for 289 00:18:21,445 --> 00:18:24,645 Speaker 1: the deceased to prepare for the afterlife. So it was 290 00:18:24,685 --> 00:18:27,885 Speaker 1: more than just those treasures in jewels, but also a 291 00:18:27,925 --> 00:18:31,005 Speaker 1: lot of these people that had these tombs were pretty 292 00:18:31,005 --> 00:18:33,205 Speaker 1: like well to do to begin with. Of course, they 293 00:18:33,205 --> 00:18:37,645 Speaker 1: were there, and those were the elite that they were 294 00:18:37,685 --> 00:18:40,765 Speaker 1: thought to join the gods, so obviously they had to 295 00:18:40,925 --> 00:18:43,125 Speaker 1: they had to like look good in the afterlife, right, 296 00:18:43,765 --> 00:18:46,645 Speaker 1: But obviously you need more than riches in the afterlife. 297 00:18:47,405 --> 00:18:53,005 Speaker 1: You need tools, furniture, clothes, undergarments, and food. Food food 298 00:18:53,085 --> 00:18:56,765 Speaker 1: food food. That's my favorite. Oh, actually, my favorite is 299 00:18:57,205 --> 00:18:59,445 Speaker 1: they would bury their pets with them, so they'd be 300 00:18:59,525 --> 00:19:02,485 Speaker 1: with their little buddies and I just love that. Yeah, 301 00:19:02,525 --> 00:19:04,485 Speaker 1: but they would kill their I wasn as, So they 302 00:19:04,645 --> 00:19:10,125 Speaker 1: kill their pets and their slaves. Okay, that's my favorite. 303 00:19:10,765 --> 00:19:13,045 Speaker 1: That's not my favorite part. My favorite part is that 304 00:19:13,085 --> 00:19:17,845 Speaker 1: they have their buddies with them any will, thanks No, 305 00:19:18,285 --> 00:19:28,045 Speaker 1: they died together at the same time. Um. Anyway, obviously 306 00:19:28,085 --> 00:19:30,245 Speaker 1: because of like the rumors of the jewels and all 307 00:19:30,285 --> 00:19:34,165 Speaker 1: the riches, people were out looking for these tombs. But 308 00:19:34,285 --> 00:19:37,565 Speaker 1: when they were building them, knowing this that people are 309 00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:44,965 Speaker 1: greedy little people, UM could insult yeah, thank you, you 310 00:19:45,005 --> 00:19:47,885 Speaker 1: could have said like literally anything. I was singing gremlins, 311 00:19:48,285 --> 00:19:50,125 Speaker 1: I know, I just like, I mean, I was going 312 00:19:50,165 --> 00:19:56,085 Speaker 1: to say monsters. But anyways, thereedy little person. Yeah. People 313 00:19:57,045 --> 00:20:00,245 Speaker 1: anyways were super greedy and they knew that. So when 314 00:20:00,285 --> 00:20:02,285 Speaker 1: they were building the tombs, they would actually try and 315 00:20:02,365 --> 00:20:04,765 Speaker 1: hide the entrances to keep try and keep this from 316 00:20:04,765 --> 00:20:07,925 Speaker 1: happening for a long period of time, so there could 317 00:20:07,925 --> 00:20:11,245 Speaker 1: be so many more treasures out there for people to 318 00:20:11,365 --> 00:20:14,885 Speaker 1: discover and you know, take and sell, as Nika said, 319 00:20:15,205 --> 00:20:17,325 Speaker 1: But that's not where I'm going with this. We're here 320 00:20:17,365 --> 00:20:22,445 Speaker 1: to talk about the snacks. Oh so, in addition to 321 00:20:22,485 --> 00:20:25,405 Speaker 1: all those other lovely things, they you know, they had 322 00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:27,965 Speaker 1: food there for them. So they would mummify meats like 323 00:20:28,205 --> 00:20:31,405 Speaker 1: ribs and chicken like, they had all kinds of good stuff. 324 00:20:31,765 --> 00:20:33,925 Speaker 1: And you know what else goes great with a sch 325 00:20:33,925 --> 00:20:40,445 Speaker 1: mortgage board of meats? Cheese. So in eighteen eighty five, 326 00:20:40,525 --> 00:20:43,205 Speaker 1: the tomb of the Tames was discovered, but shortly after 327 00:20:43,245 --> 00:20:47,045 Speaker 1: its discovery, a sandstorm hid the entrance and they lost 328 00:20:47,085 --> 00:20:49,085 Speaker 1: the tomb. They were like, oh, no, where did it go? 329 00:20:49,645 --> 00:20:53,965 Speaker 1: They tombs just get lost so easily. So in twenty ten, 330 00:20:54,165 --> 00:20:57,525 Speaker 1: when the tomb was rediscovered, the scientists went in, you know, 331 00:20:57,565 --> 00:21:00,005 Speaker 1: to see what was going on, and they found this 332 00:21:00,165 --> 00:21:03,325 Speaker 1: vat of a solid white substance, like it was a 333 00:21:03,325 --> 00:21:07,005 Speaker 1: pretty big vat like a barrel, And the scientens were like, ill, 334 00:21:07,045 --> 00:21:10,285 Speaker 1: what is that, so they were they chemically tested it 335 00:21:10,325 --> 00:21:12,725 Speaker 1: and determined that it was in fact cheese that is 336 00:21:12,765 --> 00:21:19,005 Speaker 1: thirty two hundred years old. It was hard at this point, 337 00:21:19,125 --> 00:21:23,565 Speaker 1: so so it was actually like a chevra cheese. So 338 00:21:23,725 --> 00:21:27,285 Speaker 1: they did some science things and based on history, it 339 00:21:27,325 --> 00:21:28,845 Speaker 1: was thought to be more of like a chevra, So 340 00:21:28,885 --> 00:21:32,005 Speaker 1: it was like soft spreadable for all those people who 341 00:21:32,365 --> 00:21:35,165 Speaker 1: don't eat cheese, all those vegans, you love a good 342 00:21:35,165 --> 00:21:41,125 Speaker 1: spread and exactly anyway, so what would happen do you? 343 00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:43,725 Speaker 1: You ask if you eat cheese this old? I was 344 00:21:43,765 --> 00:21:46,445 Speaker 1: about to ask that I knew. I knew it because 345 00:21:46,485 --> 00:21:48,045 Speaker 1: they were I think they were all looking like m 346 00:21:48,645 --> 00:21:51,085 Speaker 1: You know, there's cheeses out there that are moldy, so 347 00:21:51,165 --> 00:21:55,645 Speaker 1: why not eat this cheese? Right? Anyway, So at the time, 348 00:21:56,125 --> 00:21:57,725 Speaker 1: even when it was fresh, it may have had a 349 00:21:57,805 --> 00:22:08,645 Speaker 1: harmful bacteria called Brucella meltones Priscella melitances. Perhaps is how 350 00:22:08,685 --> 00:22:12,325 Speaker 1: you pronounce that I just found mostly in sheep and goats, 351 00:22:12,565 --> 00:22:15,565 Speaker 1: but it's considered to be eradicated as of now, except 352 00:22:15,565 --> 00:22:21,205 Speaker 1: for like very rare cases and unpasteurized cheeses. So anyway, 353 00:22:21,245 --> 00:22:23,525 Speaker 1: and like for the symptoms for that would be flu 354 00:22:23,645 --> 00:22:26,565 Speaker 1: like symptoms. Um, but if you just let this bacteria 355 00:22:26,645 --> 00:22:29,725 Speaker 1: run rampant in your system, it can cause swalling of 356 00:22:29,845 --> 00:22:34,965 Speaker 1: the heart, liver, spleen, and swalling of the testicles. But 357 00:22:35,045 --> 00:22:39,725 Speaker 1: don't you worry. It's treatable with antibiotics. Not my testicles. 358 00:22:39,765 --> 00:22:44,725 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, so yeah, don't you worry. Ladies, 359 00:22:44,725 --> 00:22:48,845 Speaker 1: your testicles will be fine if you just get antibiotics. 360 00:22:49,245 --> 00:22:52,405 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. So you could have three thousand, two hundred 361 00:22:52,445 --> 00:22:56,245 Speaker 1: year old cheese and relatively survive. I mean, they don't 362 00:22:56,285 --> 00:22:59,365 Speaker 1: recommend it. They still said, don't do it. Don't you eat? 363 00:23:00,685 --> 00:23:05,685 Speaker 1: Is going to be like, hey, you can eat the cheese, like, well, 364 00:23:05,685 --> 00:23:08,485 Speaker 1: you can't even import like French cheese. A lot of 365 00:23:08,525 --> 00:23:12,085 Speaker 1: the time people are so sassy, bro I can't even 366 00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:14,005 Speaker 1: have a kinder egg like the ones that come with 367 00:23:14,045 --> 00:23:17,285 Speaker 1: a little toy inside because the FDA said no or 368 00:23:17,445 --> 00:23:20,805 Speaker 1: someone some big company. So did they eat the cheese. 369 00:23:20,845 --> 00:23:23,085 Speaker 1: They did not eat the cheese, but they did suggest 370 00:23:23,165 --> 00:23:28,645 Speaker 1: that it would taste dusty and like dirty. What a 371 00:23:28,645 --> 00:23:32,765 Speaker 1: bunch of pussies. They didn't eat the cheese, no, but 372 00:23:33,405 --> 00:23:38,525 Speaker 1: they also suggested that perhaps that is how Potames died. 373 00:23:38,925 --> 00:23:42,285 Speaker 1: Is from a bacteria from the cheese, because cheeses were like, 374 00:23:42,445 --> 00:23:48,125 Speaker 1: you know, a little insecure in that hot climate climate. 375 00:23:49,245 --> 00:23:51,965 Speaker 1: So they think that he died because of the cheese. 376 00:23:52,005 --> 00:23:54,925 Speaker 1: But then he was buried with cheese. Yes, they're saying 377 00:23:54,925 --> 00:23:58,285 Speaker 1: that it's possible. That's like being buried with your murderer. 378 00:23:58,485 --> 00:24:02,445 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, but you know I was. I came 379 00:24:02,445 --> 00:24:09,285 Speaker 1: across this story about out this man from Philadelphia who 380 00:24:09,925 --> 00:24:14,045 Speaker 1: requested he be buried with his two favorite Philly cheese steaks, 381 00:24:14,645 --> 00:24:18,925 Speaker 1: to which his family obliged, but he also suggested that 382 00:24:19,005 --> 00:24:21,805 Speaker 1: they don't put them in the casket until like after 383 00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:25,165 Speaker 1: the wake is done, because they didn't want anybody to 384 00:24:25,205 --> 00:24:29,805 Speaker 1: steal and eat his sandwiches. So I actually like the 385 00:24:29,965 --> 00:24:32,885 Speaker 1: idea of being buried with a nice charcuterie board and 386 00:24:32,925 --> 00:24:36,125 Speaker 1: perhaps some wine. Wait, but did he get killed by 387 00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:41,245 Speaker 1: the Philly cheese steaks. He did not. Oh, but that 388 00:24:41,445 --> 00:24:43,365 Speaker 1: you know, you can still die from something but still 389 00:24:43,405 --> 00:24:45,885 Speaker 1: love it too. So my guess is if he did 390 00:24:45,965 --> 00:24:48,965 Speaker 1: even die, if he even died from the eating the cheese, 391 00:24:49,325 --> 00:24:52,045 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he didn't love it as it was 392 00:24:52,085 --> 00:24:53,925 Speaker 1: taking him down. You know, this is giving me like 393 00:24:54,045 --> 00:24:57,125 Speaker 1: Steve Irwin vibes, you know, like I feel like he 394 00:24:57,125 --> 00:25:01,045 Speaker 1: would say, you know, I just because that I a 395 00:25:01,165 --> 00:25:04,165 Speaker 1: Stingwray killed me doesn't mean the Stingwray is a bad 396 00:25:04,285 --> 00:25:08,205 Speaker 1: you know, exactly like the animals. Oh, God's rest in beste. 397 00:25:09,365 --> 00:25:13,725 Speaker 1: I would like to have a casket where it's me dead, right, 398 00:25:14,005 --> 00:25:17,285 Speaker 1: and then it's like loose chips, like not chips in 399 00:25:17,325 --> 00:25:19,965 Speaker 1: the bag, but you fill the whole thing up with chips. 400 00:25:20,925 --> 00:25:22,725 Speaker 1: Well yeah, because otherwise you'd just be getting a lot 401 00:25:22,725 --> 00:25:26,005 Speaker 1: of air. Yeah, So I think it'd be cool to 402 00:25:26,085 --> 00:25:30,365 Speaker 1: be like a chip basket. That's That's now how I 403 00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:33,885 Speaker 1: would like to be buried. We have so many options, 404 00:25:33,925 --> 00:25:35,965 Speaker 1: Like we come up with more and more ideas every 405 00:25:36,005 --> 00:25:40,885 Speaker 1: single episode. I feel like, well, Gabby, would you like 406 00:25:40,965 --> 00:25:44,005 Speaker 1: to tell us about what to do when there's too 407 00:25:44,045 --> 00:25:50,645 Speaker 1: many graves bodies? You get rid of ouses? All right? 408 00:25:50,765 --> 00:25:53,645 Speaker 1: Done and done? Stuff? Not enough? Thank you for listening 409 00:25:53,685 --> 00:25:57,725 Speaker 1: to cadavergals. Yeah, take them to the landfill. Well, here's 410 00:25:57,765 --> 00:26:00,885 Speaker 1: what we're talking about today. We're talking about Gay Perry 411 00:26:01,205 --> 00:26:04,845 Speaker 1: Perry France, Paris, France, And yeah, they had a bit 412 00:26:04,885 --> 00:26:08,285 Speaker 1: of a corpse crisis and they had to figure it out. 413 00:26:08,685 --> 00:26:11,045 Speaker 1: And because they had too many of them. That's the 414 00:26:11,085 --> 00:26:13,165 Speaker 1: thing about people, like they be dying and then they 415 00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:15,045 Speaker 1: just start piling up, so you gotta figure out what 416 00:26:15,085 --> 00:26:20,405 Speaker 1: to do with them. So picture this. It's Paris, France, 417 00:26:21,005 --> 00:26:24,925 Speaker 1: seventeen eighty. Are we there? We are there, the beautiful 418 00:26:25,045 --> 00:26:28,045 Speaker 1: limestone buildings or maybe they're beautiful, I don't know. They 419 00:26:28,085 --> 00:26:31,525 Speaker 1: look fine Paris. The Eiffel Tower's not there yet, so 420 00:26:31,645 --> 00:26:34,325 Speaker 1: don't even think about that. Okay. But we're on this 421 00:26:34,365 --> 00:26:39,005 Speaker 1: one street it's called the Rue de Lingerie okay, not Lingerie. 422 00:26:39,245 --> 00:26:41,645 Speaker 1: And this guy he owns a restaurant, and he goes 423 00:26:41,645 --> 00:26:43,765 Speaker 1: down into his cellar, you know, to get a bottle 424 00:26:43,765 --> 00:26:46,205 Speaker 1: of wine. Is it for himself, is it for his patrons? 425 00:26:46,285 --> 00:26:47,725 Speaker 1: Is he about to drink a loana? Or is he 426 00:26:47,765 --> 00:26:49,885 Speaker 1: going to go serve it? We don't know. But he's 427 00:26:49,925 --> 00:26:52,925 Speaker 1: in his cellar and it's a rainy ass day, like 428 00:26:53,125 --> 00:26:56,845 Speaker 1: super rainy, and then suddenly one of the walls of 429 00:26:56,965 --> 00:27:02,805 Speaker 1: his cellar collapses and in pours a stack of stinky, 430 00:27:02,885 --> 00:27:09,445 Speaker 1: decaying corpses sees and he's like, oh la la socra 431 00:27:09,645 --> 00:27:15,725 Speaker 1: blah mon dear, that's exactly what he's said it. He said, oh, 432 00:27:15,845 --> 00:27:18,685 Speaker 1: this is so yucky. I do not like these and 433 00:27:18,725 --> 00:27:22,925 Speaker 1: then he was Italian. Okay, but he isn't the only 434 00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:25,605 Speaker 1: guy in the Rue that this happens to. Several of 435 00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:29,205 Speaker 1: their homes and basements get flooded with corpses or like 436 00:27:29,365 --> 00:27:32,045 Speaker 1: literally just a few corpses, but just for the imagery, 437 00:27:32,125 --> 00:27:37,565 Speaker 1: let's say a flood of corpses came higling into these basements. Okay, 438 00:27:38,165 --> 00:27:41,285 Speaker 1: Because he Rue de Lingerie is located right next to 439 00:27:41,365 --> 00:27:45,365 Speaker 1: the very large cemetery of the Cemetery of the Holy Innocence, 440 00:27:45,885 --> 00:27:47,765 Speaker 1: I mean, this wasn't even the beginning of it, but 441 00:27:47,965 --> 00:27:53,245 Speaker 1: this was just at the beginning of Paris's corpse crisis. 442 00:27:53,845 --> 00:27:55,885 Speaker 1: A lot of people on the street, also, like in 443 00:27:55,925 --> 00:27:59,765 Speaker 1: that area of where the cemetery was, had been noting 444 00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:04,405 Speaker 1: that there was a cadaverous odor in the air side 445 00:28:04,405 --> 00:28:09,205 Speaker 1: note cadaverous will be Cadavergal's new perfume line coming to 446 00:28:09,285 --> 00:28:13,085 Speaker 1: stores near you soon. At this time, in this neighborhood, 447 00:28:13,085 --> 00:28:15,085 Speaker 1: a lot of people were claiming that they were sick, 448 00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:20,805 Speaker 1: and so the States sent basically their smell inspect like 449 00:28:21,165 --> 00:28:24,005 Speaker 1: the inspector who is supposed to be like cognizant of 450 00:28:24,045 --> 00:28:27,085 Speaker 1: measuring the quality of the air. So they sent him 451 00:28:27,125 --> 00:28:29,685 Speaker 1: to go see what was up, and he was like, indeed, 452 00:28:29,805 --> 00:28:33,005 Speaker 1: this is bokou gross and he reported in the area 453 00:28:33,085 --> 00:28:37,685 Speaker 1: that there's a variety of illnesses, respiratory ailments, delirium and 454 00:28:38,085 --> 00:28:41,765 Speaker 1: violent fits of vomiting just because it smelled so bad. 455 00:28:42,085 --> 00:28:45,445 Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. Nope, I bet Nika's 456 00:28:45,525 --> 00:28:49,845 Speaker 1: having a good time with this part. I am like, 457 00:28:49,965 --> 00:28:52,725 Speaker 1: people are getting sick from breathing and dead people, that's 458 00:28:52,765 --> 00:28:56,885 Speaker 1: what's happening. Yes, And also at the time, one of 459 00:28:56,925 --> 00:29:00,405 Speaker 1: the theory of how disease was spread was my asthma, 460 00:29:00,645 --> 00:29:03,165 Speaker 1: which is just basically like the air has bad vibes 461 00:29:03,365 --> 00:29:06,965 Speaker 1: and we're getting it from the air. And obviously that's 462 00:29:06,965 --> 00:29:09,645 Speaker 1: not actually how all diseases spread. I mean, yeah, COVID 463 00:29:09,845 --> 00:29:12,045 Speaker 1: going through the air or whatever, but my asthma is 464 00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:15,005 Speaker 1: not a real theory. Don't know at this point. COVID 465 00:29:15,085 --> 00:29:19,165 Speaker 1: has bad vibes, it does have bad vibes, but my asthma. 466 00:29:19,405 --> 00:29:21,245 Speaker 1: That's what they're thinking too, is like the reason people 467 00:29:21,245 --> 00:29:22,925 Speaker 1: were getting sick was because of the smell, but I 468 00:29:22,965 --> 00:29:26,125 Speaker 1: guess they were because also you can get diseases from 469 00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:32,125 Speaker 1: decaying corpses. Like, it wasn't until doctors discovered, like maybe 470 00:29:32,165 --> 00:29:35,725 Speaker 1: they should wash their hands after autopsies before they deliver 471 00:29:35,805 --> 00:29:39,765 Speaker 1: the babies. It wasn't until then that like female mortality 472 00:29:39,845 --> 00:29:43,525 Speaker 1: rates decreased in babies for them survived. So, you know what, 473 00:29:43,685 --> 00:29:46,445 Speaker 1: dead bodies, you don't keep your six feet do a 474 00:29:46,525 --> 00:29:49,925 Speaker 1: social distancing with a corpse. Okay, you don't all over that, 475 00:29:50,165 --> 00:29:53,285 Speaker 1: wash your hands, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, the next 476 00:29:53,285 --> 00:29:55,845 Speaker 1: time that a corpse asks you to hang out, say hey, yeah, like, 477 00:29:56,325 --> 00:29:58,485 Speaker 1: I don't know kind of how you're feeling about the pandemic, 478 00:29:58,525 --> 00:30:00,485 Speaker 1: but I would rather like do a six feet hang out, 479 00:30:00,605 --> 00:30:02,885 Speaker 1: be outside if that's cool with you. You know, we 480 00:30:02,925 --> 00:30:09,605 Speaker 1: all respect each other's differences. I'm six feet under. They 481 00:30:09,645 --> 00:30:15,805 Speaker 1: stay social distancing, those corpses. That's why the original social distancers, 482 00:30:15,925 --> 00:30:23,685 Speaker 1: the original social distancers are dead people. Good job, guys. Okay, 483 00:30:23,805 --> 00:30:27,085 Speaker 1: So this dude, the the inspector, He's like, yeah, this 484 00:30:27,165 --> 00:30:29,565 Speaker 1: is a problem, this is a public health crisis. We 485 00:30:29,645 --> 00:30:32,925 Speaker 1: gotta do something about the corpses. Here's what I've been happening. 486 00:30:33,005 --> 00:30:36,645 Speaker 1: They had been burying people inside of Paris since the 487 00:30:36,805 --> 00:30:39,645 Speaker 1: ninth century. At that point, they were burying people we 488 00:30:39,765 --> 00:30:43,165 Speaker 1: usually further away. It was band bury in the city. 489 00:30:43,205 --> 00:30:46,365 Speaker 1: But then all of these like religious people were like, 490 00:30:46,365 --> 00:30:49,045 Speaker 1: well we should bury like the bishops and the abbots 491 00:30:49,085 --> 00:30:50,885 Speaker 1: and the priests and stuff in the city. But then 492 00:30:50,965 --> 00:30:54,005 Speaker 1: everybody jumped on that bandwagon was like, I also want 493 00:30:54,005 --> 00:30:56,445 Speaker 1: to be buried in the city, my dudes, so let 494 00:30:56,445 --> 00:30:59,365 Speaker 1: me be buried there too. So obviously it was getting 495 00:30:59,405 --> 00:31:03,085 Speaker 1: a little crowded. And over the course of the eighteenth century, 496 00:31:03,125 --> 00:31:07,325 Speaker 1: even before these bodies literally fell the people's basements, they 497 00:31:07,405 --> 00:31:09,845 Speaker 1: had been talking about how this was a big problem. 498 00:31:09,885 --> 00:31:13,045 Speaker 1: Like the first time it was cited was in seventeen 499 00:31:13,085 --> 00:31:17,605 Speaker 1: thirty seven, when these medical experts and philosophers were like, wow, 500 00:31:17,765 --> 00:31:20,965 Speaker 1: bodily decay is a menace, my dudes, and it could 501 00:31:21,005 --> 00:31:23,925 Speaker 1: cause us to be sick. But then nothing really happened. 502 00:31:24,245 --> 00:31:27,725 Speaker 1: And then again there's this other study in seventeen sixty three, 503 00:31:27,885 --> 00:31:30,365 Speaker 1: because also here's the thing. People were just getting buried 504 00:31:30,925 --> 00:31:33,685 Speaker 1: like willy nilly, kind of like they would just like 505 00:31:33,885 --> 00:31:36,845 Speaker 1: throw a body in a cemetery and then like paddle 506 00:31:36,885 --> 00:31:40,205 Speaker 1: little dirt on top of it, and so, you know, 507 00:31:40,525 --> 00:31:43,085 Speaker 1: not exactly, that wasn't exactly, but that was a problem. 508 00:31:43,165 --> 00:31:47,005 Speaker 1: Was literally like in these cemeteries throughout the city, the 509 00:31:47,085 --> 00:31:51,125 Speaker 1: soil level was higher than like the house level, so 510 00:31:51,205 --> 00:31:53,845 Speaker 1: basically it was like piles of corpses then being buried 511 00:31:53,845 --> 00:31:56,605 Speaker 1: as supposed to them actually being buried in the ground, 512 00:31:57,285 --> 00:32:01,685 Speaker 1: and it was stinky, it smelled bad. So in seventeen 513 00:32:01,725 --> 00:32:04,245 Speaker 1: sixty three they were like, this is a problem. And 514 00:32:04,285 --> 00:32:07,445 Speaker 1: also people like apparently they weren't burying people fast enough. 515 00:32:07,805 --> 00:32:09,725 Speaker 1: They would just like let sit out for a while. 516 00:32:09,765 --> 00:32:13,725 Speaker 1: It's just like guys like dig a hole, like dig deeper, 517 00:32:13,925 --> 00:32:16,645 Speaker 1: my dudes, but they weren't doing that. So then in 518 00:32:16,725 --> 00:32:19,125 Speaker 1: seventeen sixty five, after this study came out that was 519 00:32:19,125 --> 00:32:23,645 Speaker 1: like this is a problem, they decided to stop burials 520 00:32:23,685 --> 00:32:27,405 Speaker 1: inside the city and put and start doing them outside 521 00:32:27,405 --> 00:32:29,725 Speaker 1: like the walls of Paris. But then none of those 522 00:32:29,805 --> 00:32:32,445 Speaker 1: laws were upheld because of the church, because the church 523 00:32:32,565 --> 00:32:35,365 Speaker 1: was like, yo, people need to be buried, and we 524 00:32:35,405 --> 00:32:38,445 Speaker 1: are like near our churches because we are responsible for 525 00:32:38,485 --> 00:32:40,645 Speaker 1: their souls and stuff, so like they can't be that 526 00:32:40,725 --> 00:32:44,605 Speaker 1: far away. So then everyone just ignored the laws. You know, 527 00:32:44,885 --> 00:32:49,405 Speaker 1: move your church. How about that. I don't know if 528 00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:53,565 Speaker 1: souls kind of you know, need to be close buying 529 00:32:53,565 --> 00:32:56,645 Speaker 1: in order to be available, right, Like, well, that's an 530 00:32:56,645 --> 00:32:59,005 Speaker 1: interesting argument because that's what they bring up a little 531 00:32:59,045 --> 00:33:03,205 Speaker 1: bit later in this drama, as it was the drama 532 00:33:03,245 --> 00:33:06,805 Speaker 1: of the Corpse Crisis, which is also my new metal band. 533 00:33:07,925 --> 00:33:12,125 Speaker 1: So it's finally in seventeen eighty when these bodies fall 534 00:33:12,245 --> 00:33:16,245 Speaker 1: into these people's basements. That's when everything starts being taken seriously. 535 00:33:16,805 --> 00:33:19,525 Speaker 1: This happened because all of this street was right next 536 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,525 Speaker 1: to the Cemetery of the Holy Innocence, which is a 537 00:33:21,605 --> 00:33:24,965 Speaker 1: huge cemetery, and they estimated that about one tenth of 538 00:33:24,965 --> 00:33:28,565 Speaker 1: the city's dead every year was buried at Holy Innocence. 539 00:33:29,045 --> 00:33:31,045 Speaker 1: So they're like, okay, let's think through this. What should 540 00:33:31,045 --> 00:33:33,005 Speaker 1: we do. So what they decided was that they were 541 00:33:33,005 --> 00:33:36,685 Speaker 1: going to start excavating these corpses and then taking them 542 00:33:36,725 --> 00:33:39,165 Speaker 1: outside to the suburbs, you know, so that they would 543 00:33:39,205 --> 00:33:43,405 Speaker 1: have these more rural suburban cemeteries that they would create 544 00:33:43,845 --> 00:33:46,725 Speaker 1: or just really just go somewhere, like just go toss 545 00:33:46,765 --> 00:33:50,565 Speaker 1: you're dead elsewhere. So over a period of six months 546 00:33:50,605 --> 00:33:54,725 Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty five, they start excavating twenty two thousand 547 00:33:54,765 --> 00:33:58,005 Speaker 1: corpses from Holy Innocence and obviously this is a big drama. 548 00:33:58,085 --> 00:34:00,885 Speaker 1: It's a lot of work, and a lot of other 549 00:34:00,925 --> 00:34:03,725 Speaker 1: shit happens because of it. Because then they're transporting these 550 00:34:03,725 --> 00:34:07,685 Speaker 1: corpses outside of town and they're going through these neighborhoods, 551 00:34:07,685 --> 00:34:10,565 Speaker 1: and like, some of the corpses keep falling off the wagons, 552 00:34:10,645 --> 00:34:12,885 Speaker 1: and then it smells really bad, so thin everybody in 553 00:34:12,925 --> 00:34:15,325 Speaker 1: those neighborhoods are like, it's worse. Now, you made it worse. 554 00:34:15,445 --> 00:34:18,925 Speaker 1: I hate it, just stirring up the smell. Yeah, And 555 00:34:19,045 --> 00:34:22,765 Speaker 1: there's other neighborhoods who were also petitioning the government being like, hey, 556 00:34:22,805 --> 00:34:26,525 Speaker 1: can you excavate our graveyard nearby because it also stinks, 557 00:34:26,885 --> 00:34:29,445 Speaker 1: and so they're like, fine, we'll do it. But then 558 00:34:29,565 --> 00:34:32,525 Speaker 1: here's what happened. They were doing their plan, but then 559 00:34:32,565 --> 00:34:36,285 Speaker 1: this thing happened called the revolution, right kind of in 560 00:34:36,325 --> 00:34:38,285 Speaker 1: the middle of when they're trying to plan it out. 561 00:34:38,325 --> 00:34:41,445 Speaker 1: So by the time the revolution happens in seventeen eighty nine, 562 00:34:41,965 --> 00:34:45,685 Speaker 1: they're only a third of the dead have been taken 563 00:34:45,725 --> 00:34:50,445 Speaker 1: out of Paris, mostly put outside of the city. But 564 00:34:50,565 --> 00:34:54,085 Speaker 1: then you know, revolution happens, and that's kind of, you know, 565 00:34:54,125 --> 00:34:57,565 Speaker 1: a thing that took a while to figure out, inconvenient, 566 00:34:57,645 --> 00:35:00,845 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, that's the thing, Like whenever I start 567 00:35:00,845 --> 00:35:03,205 Speaker 1: a task, I make sure I don't have a revolution 568 00:35:03,325 --> 00:35:10,165 Speaker 1: until after. Okay, take notes. French people take notes, so 569 00:35:10,205 --> 00:35:13,045 Speaker 1: they'd be having a revolution, and yeah, I try to 570 00:35:13,125 --> 00:35:15,805 Speaker 1: remember the exact order of all the shit that happened 571 00:35:15,805 --> 00:35:20,965 Speaker 1: in France between seventeen eighty nine and seventeen ninety nine, 572 00:35:21,005 --> 00:35:24,005 Speaker 1: when Napoleon Bonaparte finally takes over and then it's kind 573 00:35:24,005 --> 00:35:25,805 Speaker 1: of a little bit more straightforward, but there's just like 574 00:35:25,845 --> 00:35:28,925 Speaker 1: so many different regimes and changes and shit. But at 575 00:35:28,925 --> 00:35:31,965 Speaker 1: this point they're still trying to figure out this problem 576 00:35:32,045 --> 00:35:34,445 Speaker 1: with dead because it's still still kind of stinky in 577 00:35:34,485 --> 00:35:36,645 Speaker 1: Paris and they still need to figure out what to do. 578 00:35:37,405 --> 00:35:40,365 Speaker 1: So basically, during this time period, a lot of different 579 00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:43,005 Speaker 1: things are happening and they're trying you know, they're changing 580 00:35:43,045 --> 00:35:45,965 Speaker 1: the government, they're changing like how we view ourselves as people. 581 00:35:46,005 --> 00:35:49,845 Speaker 1: There's like enlightenment philosophies going around, and so they're saying 582 00:35:49,885 --> 00:35:54,805 Speaker 1: like in this early revolutionary period, so in like seventeen 583 00:35:54,885 --> 00:35:58,485 Speaker 1: eighty nine to like seventeen ninety they're like, hey dudes, 584 00:35:58,605 --> 00:36:01,045 Speaker 1: hey church people, I know you're gonna you're mad about 585 00:36:01,085 --> 00:36:04,765 Speaker 1: these cemetery like moving people out of the city, but 586 00:36:04,845 --> 00:36:07,765 Speaker 1: like we're taking care of their bodies, you know, and 587 00:36:07,805 --> 00:36:10,365 Speaker 1: you don't have a rain over their bodies, Like sure 588 00:36:10,405 --> 00:36:13,205 Speaker 1: their soul, their soul doesn't need to be right next 589 00:36:13,245 --> 00:36:15,765 Speaker 1: to you, my guys, Like, just don't worry about it. 590 00:36:15,765 --> 00:36:20,165 Speaker 1: It's fine. Souls can travel. Yeah. And also these revolutionary 591 00:36:20,165 --> 00:36:23,565 Speaker 1: people were like, hey, these cemeteries that we got are 592 00:36:23,725 --> 00:36:28,685 Speaker 1: so like depressing, my guys, Like, we should make it 593 00:36:28,725 --> 00:36:31,525 Speaker 1: a little bit nicer, Like let's have some green spaces. 594 00:36:31,645 --> 00:36:34,805 Speaker 1: Let's have instead of like a creepy skeleton statue holding 595 00:36:34,845 --> 00:36:37,765 Speaker 1: like a the grim reap or tool, that's what we're 596 00:36:37,765 --> 00:36:40,005 Speaker 1: gonna call it. Like, why don't we just have some 597 00:36:40,125 --> 00:36:43,205 Speaker 1: nice trees that would be nicer, so that we could 598 00:36:43,205 --> 00:36:46,445 Speaker 1: have like a communal space. You know. They wanted to 599 00:36:46,485 --> 00:36:49,125 Speaker 1: make it nicer and happier in like a place where 600 00:36:49,165 --> 00:36:52,565 Speaker 1: you could like stroll and have intellectual thoughts instead of 601 00:36:52,565 --> 00:36:56,485 Speaker 1: it just being like this sinister place for death. Make 602 00:36:56,565 --> 00:37:01,045 Speaker 1: cemeteries fun. That was what the French Revolution was all about. 603 00:37:02,165 --> 00:37:03,645 Speaker 1: But the thing is, there is still like a lot 604 00:37:03,645 --> 00:37:06,805 Speaker 1: of chaos going on in this time. They were killing 605 00:37:06,885 --> 00:37:09,485 Speaker 1: the king and they were like trying to figure out 606 00:37:09,525 --> 00:37:12,165 Speaker 1: how to run a society. Then there was like the 607 00:37:12,245 --> 00:37:16,285 Speaker 1: Rain of Terror type thing that happened, where like in 608 00:37:16,405 --> 00:37:19,925 Speaker 1: seventeen ninety two there is a new regime and then 609 00:37:20,005 --> 00:37:22,085 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we don't want the prisoners to revolt, 610 00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:24,885 Speaker 1: so let's like kill half of them. And so they 611 00:37:24,925 --> 00:37:29,005 Speaker 1: just like killed twelve hundred people. Yeah, they had all 612 00:37:29,045 --> 00:37:31,365 Speaker 1: these dead bodies everywhere, and it was a new sense 613 00:37:31,405 --> 00:37:34,005 Speaker 1: to have a decapitated body, you know, where you're trying 614 00:37:34,005 --> 00:37:36,805 Speaker 1: to walk, you know. So they're like ah, and then 615 00:37:36,805 --> 00:37:38,805 Speaker 1: people are still just like bearing their dead and these 616 00:37:38,845 --> 00:37:42,205 Speaker 1: like ad hoc cemeteries around the city. So really they 617 00:37:42,245 --> 00:37:44,605 Speaker 1: have all these great plans, but none of them are 618 00:37:44,645 --> 00:37:48,445 Speaker 1: really being implemented. One thing that does end up happening 619 00:37:48,525 --> 00:37:51,445 Speaker 1: kind of during this period, but really gets promoted by 620 00:37:51,525 --> 00:37:59,605 Speaker 1: Napoleon is they start making the Paris Catacombs. So one 621 00:37:59,645 --> 00:38:03,765 Speaker 1: of the solutions they come up with is that there 622 00:38:03,805 --> 00:38:09,405 Speaker 1: are miles and miles of tunnels underneath Paris, which is 623 00:38:09,765 --> 00:38:14,205 Speaker 1: creepy but also ends up being convenient. Also, it was 624 00:38:14,325 --> 00:38:20,125 Speaker 1: inconvenient because in seventeen seventy four they kept collapsing and 625 00:38:20,205 --> 00:38:22,765 Speaker 1: so the city was kind of sinking. Oh that's bad. 626 00:38:22,885 --> 00:38:25,845 Speaker 1: Basically all these tunnels, whereas where they were mining limestone, 627 00:38:26,125 --> 00:38:28,725 Speaker 1: so that was another problem, you know, too many dead bodies, 628 00:38:28,885 --> 00:38:32,325 Speaker 1: too much mining. They did fortify that, so that was fine. 629 00:38:32,365 --> 00:38:34,365 Speaker 1: But they're like, hey, we have all these dead bodies, 630 00:38:34,765 --> 00:38:37,965 Speaker 1: why don't we just throw them down there in the tunnels? 631 00:38:38,445 --> 00:38:42,605 Speaker 1: Why not what a solution? Did the church say yes 632 00:38:42,685 --> 00:38:44,885 Speaker 1: to that? Because I feel like the church made such 633 00:38:44,925 --> 00:38:50,685 Speaker 1: a big deal about burial, then throwing bodies into tombs 634 00:38:51,205 --> 00:38:53,285 Speaker 1: and tunnels just like doesn't make a lot of use. 635 00:38:53,325 --> 00:38:55,125 Speaker 1: How did the church just think it was okay to 636 00:38:55,205 --> 00:38:58,125 Speaker 1: just be like piling and piling them up, like right 637 00:38:58,165 --> 00:39:00,805 Speaker 1: in their backyard, And like do they not think that 638 00:39:00,845 --> 00:39:03,045 Speaker 1: the ground was going to fill up? People don't undie 639 00:39:03,565 --> 00:39:07,445 Speaker 1: except for under I mean, yeah, I guess they're just 640 00:39:07,485 --> 00:39:10,525 Speaker 1: all waiting for a resurrection. Yeah, I guess. So that 641 00:39:10,525 --> 00:39:12,805 Speaker 1: would suck if you're resurrected and you're like in this 642 00:39:12,885 --> 00:39:17,245 Speaker 1: mass grave situation, yeah, you know, and not everyone else 643 00:39:17,325 --> 00:39:20,165 Speaker 1: around you resurrected either, and then you have to like 644 00:39:21,085 --> 00:39:23,565 Speaker 1: go through the bodies. Yeah, we have to think about Yeah, 645 00:39:23,565 --> 00:39:25,765 Speaker 1: the people who are being resurrected, we need to think 646 00:39:25,805 --> 00:39:29,205 Speaker 1: about them. As well in this scenario. Yeah, I don't 647 00:39:29,205 --> 00:39:31,845 Speaker 1: think the church was down with it really, but at 648 00:39:31,845 --> 00:39:36,365 Speaker 1: this point in time, all the church's property had been nationalized, 649 00:39:36,845 --> 00:39:40,005 Speaker 1: so they didn't have as much of a say anymore. 650 00:39:40,205 --> 00:39:45,245 Speaker 1: Oh they're pissed. Yeah, Also, I mean people were. It 651 00:39:45,325 --> 00:39:47,765 Speaker 1: was just a crazy time. People were like digging up 652 00:39:47,765 --> 00:39:50,845 Speaker 1: all these royals and like destroying their bodies and stealing 653 00:39:50,885 --> 00:39:53,485 Speaker 1: their riches kind of like the tombs. They wanted to 654 00:39:53,485 --> 00:39:55,645 Speaker 1: like shoot them out of cannons, just like shoot their 655 00:39:55,645 --> 00:39:58,245 Speaker 1: Bodies's just people were, They are crazy. So it feels 656 00:39:58,285 --> 00:40:00,845 Speaker 1: like that was the least of people's problems, you know, 657 00:40:01,085 --> 00:40:05,085 Speaker 1: just throwing a bunch of bodies in tunnels. I'm sure 658 00:40:05,085 --> 00:40:07,885 Speaker 1: people had problems with it because at first, you know, 659 00:40:08,245 --> 00:40:10,565 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, let's put the bodies down in these tunnels, 660 00:40:10,565 --> 00:40:12,205 Speaker 1: and they just kind of they did toss them. They're 661 00:40:12,245 --> 00:40:14,645 Speaker 1: just like they put them in piles. They're just like, yeah, 662 00:40:14,685 --> 00:40:18,885 Speaker 1: we'll just put them here. But then especially under like Napoleon, 663 00:40:19,285 --> 00:40:22,405 Speaker 1: because I feel like the revolutionaries they wanted to make 664 00:40:23,365 --> 00:40:28,045 Speaker 1: France enlightened, but then Napoleon wanted to make it rich, 665 00:40:28,325 --> 00:40:32,205 Speaker 1: so he was like, hey, what if in these like catacombs. 666 00:40:32,485 --> 00:40:35,605 Speaker 1: Why don't we like make this look nicer so that 667 00:40:35,725 --> 00:40:37,845 Speaker 1: people want to go visit it and we can make 668 00:40:37,925 --> 00:40:42,125 Speaker 1: some money off of some dead people. So at one 669 00:40:42,125 --> 00:40:44,125 Speaker 1: point an architect went down there and it was like 670 00:40:44,285 --> 00:40:48,045 Speaker 1: took all the dead people and like literally arranged their 671 00:40:48,045 --> 00:40:51,565 Speaker 1: bones in a nice way. And that's what we have today, 672 00:40:51,605 --> 00:40:53,885 Speaker 1: you know. So they have took the skulls and their 673 00:40:53,965 --> 00:40:56,525 Speaker 1: one line and took all the femurs and they made 674 00:40:56,525 --> 00:40:59,885 Speaker 1: that a line, and then it became a tourist attraction. 675 00:41:00,005 --> 00:41:02,325 Speaker 1: So femur line, that's what you got to do with 676 00:41:02,365 --> 00:41:06,645 Speaker 1: your debt. You dig them up, throw them outswhere. Yeah. Yeah, 677 00:41:06,685 --> 00:41:09,205 Speaker 1: I just think I just think it's silly that nobody 678 00:41:09,245 --> 00:41:11,085 Speaker 1: really thought that that was going to end up being 679 00:41:11,125 --> 00:41:12,565 Speaker 1: an issue. I mean, I guess they were like, that's 680 00:41:12,605 --> 00:41:16,525 Speaker 1: like a future issue, that's not my issue now until 681 00:41:16,565 --> 00:41:19,725 Speaker 1: it's an actual issue. So I feel like I feel 682 00:41:19,765 --> 00:41:21,965 Speaker 1: like that it is happening now where people are coming 683 00:41:22,045 --> 00:41:24,325 Speaker 1: up with alternative ideas so that they don't have to 684 00:41:24,365 --> 00:41:28,645 Speaker 1: be you know, they're contributing more perhaps rather than just 685 00:41:28,805 --> 00:41:32,125 Speaker 1: being six feet under. Yeah, and I think in Paris 686 00:41:32,165 --> 00:41:34,165 Speaker 1: we can also use this for our own lives it's 687 00:41:34,205 --> 00:41:36,125 Speaker 1: like you just can't let shit build up, you know, 688 00:41:36,725 --> 00:41:38,485 Speaker 1: or it's going to start stinking. It's going to be 689 00:41:38,485 --> 00:41:41,485 Speaker 1: a cadaverous odor. Just think about that in your own life, like, 690 00:41:41,565 --> 00:41:45,205 Speaker 1: what are you letting pile up until it reaches a 691 00:41:45,245 --> 00:41:47,925 Speaker 1: problem where you have to excavate corpses? When in your 692 00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:51,445 Speaker 1: life is that going to happen? I am literally about 693 00:41:51,445 --> 00:41:54,565 Speaker 1: to log off. That is so disgusting, Gabby, but true, 694 00:41:55,365 --> 00:41:58,245 Speaker 1: it's a metaphor because I can't afford therapy. I really 695 00:41:58,245 --> 00:42:01,845 Speaker 1: appreciate us making this a therapy session. Okay, let's let's 696 00:42:01,885 --> 00:42:05,485 Speaker 1: give Nika a break and everyone else. When we come back, 697 00:42:05,765 --> 00:42:13,245 Speaker 1: we'll talk about a very fun kind of build up. Okay, 698 00:42:13,365 --> 00:42:16,765 Speaker 1: so welcome back. Guess what we're going to talk about now. 699 00:42:17,285 --> 00:42:24,885 Speaker 1: Corpse Wax and soap corps Whax. It's other metal band. Yes, 700 00:42:25,405 --> 00:42:27,765 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what kinds of songs you 701 00:42:27,805 --> 00:42:30,645 Speaker 1: will have for us. Usually you try and keep it 702 00:42:30,725 --> 00:42:34,045 Speaker 1: on the lighter side, but we are ending on a 703 00:42:34,245 --> 00:42:41,525 Speaker 1: very dark, sad and tragic story. So you've been warned 704 00:42:41,565 --> 00:42:45,045 Speaker 1: to proceed with caution. It is a very very sad 705 00:42:45,085 --> 00:42:47,965 Speaker 1: story ahead, all right, So first I want to talk 706 00:42:48,005 --> 00:42:52,925 Speaker 1: about corpse wax, and soap mummies. So, first of all, 707 00:42:52,925 --> 00:42:56,685 Speaker 1: what is it? So Basically, if or when a body 708 00:42:56,805 --> 00:42:59,445 Speaker 1: is buried, either at sea or the old fashioned way 709 00:43:00,125 --> 00:43:03,525 Speaker 1: in the soil, the body begins to decompose. We all 710 00:43:03,565 --> 00:43:08,485 Speaker 1: know that. But in certain conditions, specifically warm, damp, alkaline 711 00:43:08,725 --> 00:43:12,965 Speaker 1: and a reduced amount of oxygen, a chemical reaction takes place, 712 00:43:13,005 --> 00:43:16,885 Speaker 1: which is called steponification. And like the simplest way I 713 00:43:16,885 --> 00:43:19,125 Speaker 1: can come up with to describe it, is a chemical 714 00:43:19,165 --> 00:43:23,285 Speaker 1: reaction between a particular enzyme that like that is founded 715 00:43:23,325 --> 00:43:27,285 Speaker 1: the soil or water with the fat and that results 716 00:43:27,365 --> 00:43:31,405 Speaker 1: in like a chemical reaction of a waxy or soapy substance. 717 00:43:31,685 --> 00:43:34,725 Speaker 1: It's either kind of like a white or gray color 718 00:43:35,285 --> 00:43:38,285 Speaker 1: kind of just depends on the body in particular, where 719 00:43:38,325 --> 00:43:40,085 Speaker 1: does it does it grow outside of the body or 720 00:43:40,125 --> 00:43:42,165 Speaker 1: inside the body. Outside the body, it kind of creates 721 00:43:42,205 --> 00:43:45,885 Speaker 1: like an encasing, so then it like basically preserves your inside. 722 00:43:45,925 --> 00:43:50,605 Speaker 1: So it's just another form of mummification. It sticks to 723 00:43:50,685 --> 00:43:54,885 Speaker 1: the bones, leaving basically a soap mummy. And for this 724 00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:57,045 Speaker 1: to happen, there needs to be a decent amount of fat, 725 00:43:57,885 --> 00:44:01,285 Speaker 1: so there is enough to turn into this soap and 726 00:44:01,365 --> 00:44:04,805 Speaker 1: this is a problem in places where they flip graves. 727 00:44:04,885 --> 00:44:09,645 Speaker 1: So basically there are some instances where you can I 728 00:44:09,645 --> 00:44:11,805 Speaker 1: guess you negotiate ahead of time if you're like getting 729 00:44:11,805 --> 00:44:13,885 Speaker 1: your plot and they say, okay, after like twenty or 730 00:44:13,965 --> 00:44:17,965 Speaker 1: thirty years, we may move you to then reuse your plot, 731 00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:21,485 Speaker 1: and so you're like, okay, whatever. Either either they bury 732 00:44:21,565 --> 00:44:24,925 Speaker 1: you deeper or they put you in a into like 733 00:44:24,965 --> 00:44:27,765 Speaker 1: a mass grave site. But this is a problem when 734 00:44:28,525 --> 00:44:32,165 Speaker 1: bodies are mummified with this corpse wax, because the bodies 735 00:44:32,165 --> 00:44:34,965 Speaker 1: don't really decompose, and it's also just kind of like 736 00:44:34,965 --> 00:44:37,685 Speaker 1: a weird it's a weird sense, like it's a weird 737 00:44:37,725 --> 00:44:40,485 Speaker 1: thing to come across, right, because it's a mummy. So 738 00:44:40,525 --> 00:44:43,245 Speaker 1: they're like, what do we do with them? I think typically, 739 00:44:43,285 --> 00:44:45,845 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a very common thing. So there 740 00:44:45,925 --> 00:44:49,165 Speaker 1: is a lady that this happened too, and she's actually 741 00:44:49,285 --> 00:44:53,765 Speaker 1: in the Modern Museum in Philadelphia, so you can go 742 00:44:54,045 --> 00:44:56,845 Speaker 1: see what that's like. And there's also one other man 743 00:44:56,885 --> 00:45:00,645 Speaker 1: too that's also on display, which I think is so strange. 744 00:45:01,205 --> 00:45:04,005 Speaker 1: So many mentions of Philadelphia on this episode, like the 745 00:45:04,005 --> 00:45:07,525 Speaker 1: guy with the Philly Chief stay. I know, so woman 746 00:45:07,845 --> 00:45:10,965 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is a weird place, a weird place, super weird. 747 00:45:12,085 --> 00:45:14,125 Speaker 1: So my first thought is, like, what do you do 748 00:45:14,245 --> 00:45:19,405 Speaker 1: with wax? You make candles? I'm kidding, don't do that. 749 00:45:19,405 --> 00:45:23,405 Speaker 1: That's really gross. It would smell bad. Corpse candles, corpse candles. 750 00:45:23,645 --> 00:45:26,885 Speaker 1: And you also, you can't just be like doing stuff 751 00:45:26,965 --> 00:45:31,085 Speaker 1: with people's bodies unless you know you're just a living woman. 752 00:45:31,205 --> 00:45:38,765 Speaker 1: But I kid, I kid, was that from feminism tailor? Yeah? Oopsie, 753 00:45:38,925 --> 00:45:44,845 Speaker 1: not on my podcast. Okay, So here's where it gets 754 00:45:44,845 --> 00:45:47,485 Speaker 1: really dark. So I was actually googling that, like is 755 00:45:47,525 --> 00:45:52,125 Speaker 1: that a thing? And turns out in World War One 756 00:45:52,725 --> 00:45:57,245 Speaker 1: there was a rumor going around that the British newspaper 757 00:45:57,365 --> 00:46:01,245 Speaker 1: said that Germany was making soaps from their dead soldiers, 758 00:46:02,485 --> 00:46:06,765 Speaker 1: which really really bad. This carried on to World War 759 00:46:06,805 --> 00:46:09,685 Speaker 1: Two as well, and so people were like, if they're 760 00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:12,925 Speaker 1: doing that to soldiers, what are they doing with these 761 00:46:12,925 --> 00:46:17,205 Speaker 1: concentration camps. So people were very freaked out for obvious reasons. 762 00:46:17,805 --> 00:46:21,445 Speaker 1: Polish people, in fact, were so freaked out that you 763 00:46:21,485 --> 00:46:24,365 Speaker 1: know that it would happen to them that they actually 764 00:46:24,365 --> 00:46:28,365 Speaker 1: boycotted soap all together. Yeah, that is dark as hell, 765 00:46:28,605 --> 00:46:31,485 Speaker 1: very dark. So like the reason they thought this was 766 00:46:31,565 --> 00:46:35,085 Speaker 1: it was almost It felt like it was insinuated on 767 00:46:35,245 --> 00:46:37,525 Speaker 1: like on certain bars of soap, and like there was 768 00:46:37,845 --> 00:46:40,165 Speaker 1: government made soap and they were like why do we 769 00:46:40,205 --> 00:46:43,205 Speaker 1: need to why does government need to make soaps? But anyway, 770 00:46:43,765 --> 00:46:48,605 Speaker 1: super scary, super sad. Turns out that it was completely fogus. 771 00:46:48,645 --> 00:46:52,365 Speaker 1: It was just propaganda, but obviously really freaked people out 772 00:46:53,005 --> 00:46:57,205 Speaker 1: having been to Auschwitz. I also think they kept so 773 00:46:57,245 --> 00:47:00,125 Speaker 1: many records of all of their victims, and they were 774 00:47:00,205 --> 00:47:04,885 Speaker 1: so detailed of like pictures and like medical records, you know, 775 00:47:05,005 --> 00:47:09,845 Speaker 1: kept all of their materials, suitcases, glasses, shoes, everything. I 776 00:47:09,885 --> 00:47:11,965 Speaker 1: can't imagine them not being like, oh, here's the soap, 777 00:47:12,045 --> 00:47:16,285 Speaker 1: which that's bad. They did like some obviously horrible, horrible shit, 778 00:47:16,365 --> 00:47:18,285 Speaker 1: So I feel like, yeah, you're right, they would have 779 00:47:18,525 --> 00:47:22,285 Speaker 1: recorded that because everything that they were doing was already 780 00:47:22,525 --> 00:47:24,965 Speaker 1: they were already recording the other stuff that was like 781 00:47:25,125 --> 00:47:28,645 Speaker 1: absolutely horrific, so it seems like they would have with 782 00:47:28,685 --> 00:47:31,765 Speaker 1: this as well. But it was found to be completely bogus. 783 00:47:32,085 --> 00:47:37,045 Speaker 1: So it was British propaganda. Its British propaganda. So Kudavergal's 784 00:47:37,125 --> 00:47:40,605 Speaker 1: research sometimes goes into very dark places. We don't always 785 00:47:40,605 --> 00:47:43,925 Speaker 1: go there, but I did feel like this was something 786 00:47:44,045 --> 00:47:49,125 Speaker 1: that was applicable to this episode, but also or to 787 00:47:49,325 --> 00:47:54,045 Speaker 1: the Corpse Wax obviously. But you know, it's part of history. 788 00:47:54,085 --> 00:47:58,245 Speaker 1: You know, it's history is not always great. So there 789 00:47:58,245 --> 00:48:01,805 Speaker 1: we go. That is an extremely true statement. History not 790 00:48:01,965 --> 00:48:07,485 Speaker 1: always great, not always great. Anyway, thank you for listening 791 00:48:07,645 --> 00:48:25,325 Speaker 1: to good acas. Cadaver Gawls is a production of School 792 00:48:25,325 --> 00:48:29,845 Speaker 1: of Humans and iHeartRadio. It's hosted, produced, mixed, researched, et 793 00:48:29,885 --> 00:48:33,525 Speaker 1: cetera by Gabby Watts, Nico Dwarte, and Taylor Church. 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