Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 1: up tonight. Come on in stay a while. Chris Mannock,
Speaker 1: some sports illustrator will be covering the draft. What does
Speaker 1: he think he's going to happen? Where is LaMelo Ball
Speaker 1: going to go? I got him going to Golden State.
Speaker 1: I think Golden State takes James Wiseman. But if I'm
Speaker 1: Golden State, I'd take LaMelo Ball eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email out of Stpa, Dan Patrick dot com.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is back practicing wake Duke postpone, Wichita States.
Speaker 1: Greg Marshall has tapped out. They have decided to part ways.
Speaker 1: There some serious allegations attached to him, and somehow he
Speaker 1: walks away with nearly eight million dollars. Oh, it feels
Speaker 1: like that would violate your contract or your buyout or
Speaker 1: there's a clause in there if you happen to do
Speaker 1: something like choke one of your assistant coaches something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that language was in there. If
Speaker 1: you choke one of your assistant coaches, you don't get
Speaker 1: paid the remainder of your contract. His next contract will
Speaker 1: probably have that fine print in there. Yestime, if you
Speaker 1: have players with conduct intrimental to the team or embarrassing
Speaker 1: the league or the organization, how could coaches not be
Speaker 1: a subject to those same type of penalties. He's got
Speaker 1: a contract detrimental to the team and his conduct was
Speaker 1: detrimental to the team as well. McLevin has a poll question,
Speaker 1: are we staying with Ammon cleven? So would you draft
Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball? I thought it'd be like fifty fifty seventy. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in the minority's top three. Obviously the NBA fields
Speaker 1: they're going to draft him. Yeah, I would take him.
Speaker 1: I would. I think the upside is can be significant there.
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Edwards is a very safe pick there.
Speaker 1: James Wiseman is exactly that. He's a wise man. He
Speaker 1: is a very mature kid um by all accounts, and
Speaker 1: is he able to fit in in today's NBA? How
Speaker 1: would he fit in with Golden State style? But I
Speaker 1: only saw one game, but it was an entire game.
Speaker 1: I saw Oregon. I saw Anthony Edwards play one entire game.
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards is a very safe pick and looks like
Speaker 1: he could be He's built like James Harden. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be a great scorer, but
Speaker 1: he's a very good two way player. You just don't
Speaker 1: have that rubber stamp man. I know that guy's going
Speaker 1: to be great. If I said I would give you
Speaker 1: the top ten pick, top eight picks of the last
Speaker 1: six drafts, and I'll take everybody after that, would you
Speaker 1: be more willing to go I want the first eight picks,
Speaker 1: or you get every other pick after that. I'm going
Speaker 1: to take all the other picks after that. Go back
Speaker 1: to that Anthony Bennett draft mclovin. Because Anthony Bennett, I
Speaker 1: watch you and LV play. I watched them in their
Speaker 1: conference tournament. I didn't know Anthony Edwards was any good.
Speaker 1: There were times when I would watch or Anthony Bennett
Speaker 1: and I'd go, I do is that guy supposed to
Speaker 1: be great? And even in that league, I went, Okay,
Speaker 1: seems to do a couple of good thing. He didn't
Speaker 1: do anything great. And then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: cams go they're taking ANT taking Anthony Bennett. I went,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what did I miss here? Because I
Speaker 1: loved Victor Oladipo. In fact, Mannings came on and I said,
Speaker 1: I'll take Victor Oladipo in his future in the NBA. Mcleven,
Speaker 1: do you have that draft? Yes, you're it's so bottom heavy,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Okay. It starts Bennett, then Victor Oladipo, Otto, Porter,
Speaker 1: Cody Zeller, Alex Lenn, Cody Zeller, Alex Lynn at All,
Speaker 1: then my six Ers mid process. Oh. Actually it says
Speaker 1: that New Orleans took New Orleans so well, but I
Speaker 1: feel like they traded him to the six or somehow.
Speaker 1: Then Ben McLemore, who he was on the Rockets last year.
Speaker 1: I was surprised to see we love that guy, remember
Speaker 1: him coming out of Kansas Kent Tavis called well Pope.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was a top ten pick. He
Speaker 1: was eight. The Lions, I mean the Tigers, I mean,
Speaker 1: oh my Ben Trey Burke, who the Sixers should have
Speaker 1: kept his number nine, c J mccllum, ten, Michael Carter.
Speaker 1: But if I gave you the first EID picks and
Speaker 1: I got everybody else, Michael Carter, Williams went eleven. He
Speaker 1: was I think he was Rookie of the Year and
Speaker 1: he just didn't shoot. Yeah, he couldn't His first game.
Speaker 1: I think he had a triple double. He couldn't shoot.
Speaker 1: Then Yannis fifteen y Yeah, so I had Jannis and
Speaker 1: c J. McCollum. There's a few other players in there, yes, boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of good players who were drafted after ten.
Speaker 1: Steven Adams Oklahoma City. He was drafted twelfth. He's had
Speaker 1: a very nice career. Rudy Gobert was twenty seventh. Dennis
Speaker 1: Schrader seventeen. Shrewder Schrader, Sure, try it again, No, it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have the umlats. Pretty sure it's Shrewderer.
Speaker 1: It's Dennis Shrewder, Denise Shrewder Yet wait wait what was
Speaker 1: the die Harden scene? Shoots? Oh? Oh, I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Never mind. Where's the kid from the Peanuts gang? That's Schroeder.
Speaker 1: Schroeder played a mean piano. I love Schroder. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll talk also Tim Hardaway. Rudy Gobert probably was going on.
Speaker 1: There's like ten ten guys who are Max Alan Krabb. No, no,
Speaker 1: you can't put Alan Krab in there. Alan Krab dude
Speaker 1: made an Oh I know that a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who have which I we gotta get to ethan On.
Speaker 1: There must be top good picks in the top eight
Speaker 1: of those drafts, right like the last eight years I had.
Speaker 1: None of them are jump into mind, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: start to wonder, like these are the guys that teams
Speaker 1: that are you know, they miss on the bad teams
Speaker 1: are up there for a reason, and then they whiff
Speaker 1: on these picks and then you never recover from something
Speaker 1: like that where you could have had this. You know,
Speaker 1: imagine if the Cabs had taken Anthony Bennett when they
Speaker 1: took him and still be there. You might be building
Speaker 1: around if you took somebody, uh CJ. McCollum throw You know,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of players and obviously the Greek freak,
Speaker 1: but there's players that you go, well, you could have
Speaker 1: build around those, and then you miss when you're up
Speaker 1: that high. Yeah, McLevin, I don't think the six Ers
Speaker 1: got it right in seventeen when they traded from three
Speaker 1: to one to get Marquel Falls. They did nine that
Speaker 1: did not go well. Yeah, but one Anthony Davis was
Speaker 1: the number one pick in twenty twelve. Yep, it's pretty
Speaker 1: good and Karl Anthony Town's fifteen good player, good, solid
Speaker 1: players DeAndre Aden is he veering towards a bust? Are
Speaker 1: a good player? You're the only one I know I
Speaker 1: would I would say that he has the key to
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns being a great team is going to
Speaker 1: be DeAndre Eighton in my opinion, because it feels like
Speaker 1: they have a nice starting five. Chris Paul's in there.
Speaker 1: We know what Booker is. I need to know if
Speaker 1: DeAndre Eighton can go next level? I mean eighteen and eleven,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. I want to know if and he's
Speaker 1: only twenty one or twenty two, I want to know
Speaker 1: if he can go you know, twenty six and twelve,
Speaker 1: and you know what kind of shots? You know? Can
Speaker 1: he extend his range a little bit there? But he
Speaker 1: should be great? You take him number one overall. James
Speaker 1: Harden is one of the more unique stars in all
Speaker 1: the sports. We know he's a great player, but I
Speaker 1: can't put him into a box or a category because
Speaker 1: he's not fast. But he can blow by you. He
Speaker 1: can get his shot. I wouldn't call him ripped, but
Speaker 1: he seems as strong as anyone covering him. He's a
Speaker 1: ball hog, but he's averaged over eleven assist a game
Speaker 1: for a season. He's an anomaly in aberration. And now
Speaker 1: he's at a crossroads here because he once out of Houston.
Speaker 1: He turned down a two year extension worth one hundred
Speaker 1: and three million dollars once to join Kevin Durant in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean the Rockets are going to cooperate.
Speaker 1: But if they do pull off the deal, there's still
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about Harden. Is he going to
Speaker 1: continue to play hero ball? Is it going to be
Speaker 1: about James Harden? If I'm Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving,
Speaker 1: there is no way I want to be around them.
Speaker 1: I think I truly believe this that James Harden understands
Speaker 1: I've done everything individually you can do in this game,
Speaker 1: I have to do something team wise. He wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a winner in college Oklahoma City. They had a chance.
Speaker 1: He was the sixth man of the year. You go
Speaker 1: to Houston, you create this phenomenon, you create this must
Speaker 1: see TV style of offense. But after that, it's all done.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that James Harden does in a game anymore
Speaker 1: where you go wow, unless it's something negative where he
Speaker 1: misses fifteen consecutive three pointers that's it. You've seen him dominate,
Speaker 1: You've seen him put up fifty, You've seen him dish
Speaker 1: out eleven assists. He can get by anybody, get a
Speaker 1: shot against anybody. I was watching yesterday and actually slowed
Speaker 1: it down. He was being guarded by Anthony Davis. Now,
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is six to eleven and a wingspan that
Speaker 1: probably makes him seven ten. James Harden gets his shot,
Speaker 1: gets his jumper, He creates just enough separation, gets just
Speaker 1: enough lift, and it's amazing to watch that he can
Speaker 1: get a shot against the smallest guy, the tallest guy,
Speaker 1: the quickest guy. And now I think he understands what
Speaker 1: am I and who am I? And what do I
Speaker 1: want to be? Imagine he wins a championship. We look
Speaker 1: at James Harden differently. If they adapt the style of
Speaker 1: offense you saw with Golden State. If James Harden and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant talk and say, hey, I'll do it, you
Speaker 1: do it, Kyrie, What do you think about this? Moving
Speaker 1: the ball, passing it four or five times down the floor,
Speaker 1: get movement in there. And I wonder if James Harden
Speaker 1: is saying, at this stage in my career, do I
Speaker 1: want to average thirty again, do I want to average
Speaker 1: twenty two? How about twenty two in a title? How
Speaker 1: about twenty two and playing meaningful basketball? At some point,
Speaker 1: I think that James harden will or has come to
Speaker 1: that realization. I truly believe that. And it's not that
Speaker 1: he can't do it. Go back and watch Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: when he was sixth man. Great off the ball, he
Speaker 1: didn't have to have a ball, got the ball score.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to go to Brooklyn, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's happening anytime soon, but if you're
Speaker 1: going the style of offense I think will be more
Speaker 1: based on what you saw with Golden State than what
Speaker 1: you saw with the Houston Rockets. Yes time. And where's
Speaker 1: Chris Paul and the championship realization? It's all nice to
Speaker 1: live in Paradise Valley and you're gonna be a mentor
Speaker 1: to these young guys. But where does he think he's
Speaker 1: going in his last few years in the NBA As
Speaker 1: far as an he shot at a title? Well, I
Speaker 1: think if Milwaukee was interested, then you got a shot
Speaker 1: at a title. Chris Paul knew Oklahoma City's going to rebuild,
Speaker 1: and Phoenix was willing to take him on to give
Speaker 1: a little maturity to that line there. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he went, hey, how do I win a title?
Speaker 1: I thought Chris Paul, somehow, some way was going to
Speaker 1: end up with the Lakers. I just thought it would
Speaker 1: be one of those lebron hey and somehow make this work.
Speaker 1: I want you to come in, Rondo's gone. I want
Speaker 1: you to come in like That's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: But by going to Phoenix, he may not had another
Speaker 1: option there, but I thought Milwaukee would have been a
Speaker 1: great destination for him. Phone calls eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email ADDRESSDP at dan Patrick dot com.
Speaker 1: Let's see Jimmy and Chicago. Hi, Jimmy would sell on
Speaker 1: your mind today? What's up then? Hey, bunh Yeah good? Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I'm yeah, so if I'm the Wizards, I'm pressing like, yes,
Speaker 1: but a thousand times to get Westwood. Yes, Yes, that's me.
Speaker 1: Solowly comes to the injury history. I mean John wall
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even remember the last time I
Speaker 1: saw him plays, did even play a game? Unless you're
Speaker 1: like I feel like I haven't seen him playing like
Speaker 1: three seasons, um and I've never even I've never even
Speaker 1: seen the Wizards on national TV, like or DNC your ESPN. UM,
Speaker 1: so I just thought that was funny. Um. And then
Speaker 1: the Anthony, the Anthony Edwards player comps to Vince Carter.
Speaker 1: When I heard that, I kind of just gotten offices,
Speaker 1: Like the dude's only six four and I haven't seen
Speaker 1: an actually play a minute. So I will YouTube and
Speaker 1: later on just a you know, trig his game on him.
Speaker 1: But he is he that athletic? Yes, and yes he
Speaker 1: can get his shot. He I will say this, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: thanks for the phone call. He can get a shot,
Speaker 1: he can get you a basket. Yeah, mclu. But that
Speaker 1: nobody's as athletics. No, that's not a fair comparison. I
Speaker 1: saw the Rigor had Oladipo as a comp who's a
Speaker 1: little smaller than Vince Carter. He also had Eric Gordon,
Speaker 1: and I could see Eric Gordon. Yeah, I could see
Speaker 1: that a little bit more. I mean, that's not fair.
Speaker 1: He's just three radically different players though, But he's not
Speaker 1: Vince Carter. Yes, see, not only Vince Carter, but Prime.
Speaker 1: They didn't even say downside of career Vince Carter, Vince Carter, Prime,
Speaker 1: Vince Carter. Wow, Jesse and Los Angeles. Hey, Jess, welcome back.
Speaker 1: What do you have? Hey, good morning, DP, thank you
Speaker 1: for taking my call today. Ye have a comment on
Speaker 1: the Balls and a question for you all right. On
Speaker 1: the bar Ball Seaton is kind of saying he's just
Speaker 1: constantly putting a target on his kids back. And imagine
Speaker 1: if you like, if you heard that in your lawns
Speaker 1: of Ball's daughter's mom and you got to go to
Speaker 1: thanksgiving your Christmas for that clown show. But on the Kings,
Speaker 1: my sacrament of King's fanhood, the King's mark draft shows,
Speaker 1: I'm going up for killing Hayes about twelve whose player
Speaker 1: companies as you mentioned, D'Angelo Russell, Gordon Trajis, And it's
Speaker 1: just like if they go that route, it's bye bye
Speaker 1: Deer and Fox Hello, five more years of irrelevance. Like
Speaker 1: I know it's not the New York Jets, but is
Speaker 1: there any hope for this franchise? I thought, I thought,
Speaker 1: And thanks for the phone call, Jess. I thought last
Speaker 1: year my Kings were going to make the playoffs. But
Speaker 1: you know Vladie was not good in that job. You
Speaker 1: got an owner who I don't know if he's a
Speaker 1: positive or a negative. But you know, you got to
Speaker 1: you gotta have something there. There has to be somebody
Speaker 1: there that you go I can trust that they're going
Speaker 1: to make the right decision, and they haven't had that
Speaker 1: and some of their draft picks. I liked Aaron Fox,
Speaker 1: but you know who else are you going to have?
Speaker 1: Buddy Healed once out? Marvin Bagley is average. I thought
Speaker 1: that they could cobble together a lineup that would be
Speaker 1: competitive on a night in, night out basis, Yeah, mclub.
Speaker 1: You know Bagley's numbers are great on the rare occasion
Speaker 1: he's on the court. He can't stay on the court
Speaker 1: at all. Is that well that would be a problem, yeah,
Speaker 1: because but he's another one. It doesn't matter how good
Speaker 1: your center is. Centers can't win, right. Why do they
Speaker 1: keep drafting these centers. I don't want to center. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean James Wiseman. I don't know how Golden State
Speaker 1: would use him or whoever's gonna draft him, and he
Speaker 1: might be a perfect guy for them, but I don't
Speaker 1: want a center. I can find centers. It's you know,
Speaker 1: getting guys who are matchup nightmares for you, Guys who
Speaker 1: do something different. What is the ceiling? There is James
Speaker 1: Wiseman going to be a great shooter. I know Jay
Speaker 1: Billis loves James Wiseman, and I trust Billis when it
Speaker 1: comes to, you know, sessing talent. And he called me
Speaker 1: a great shooter yesterday, so obviously I think Billis knows talent.
Speaker 1: Shoe in Minnesota, Hey, Shoe Adpy one time, first time,
Speaker 1: five eleven. It is classic Timberwolves to have the number
Speaker 1: one pick in this draft of all drafts. My advanced
Speaker 1: YouTube scouting skill of let me to be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on Anthony Edwards until you see quotes like when
Speaker 1: asked when he got into basketball, I'm still not really
Speaker 1: into it, he says, I love basketball. Yeah, It's what
Speaker 1: I do. Boy, If that doesn't inspire confidence in a
Speaker 1: potential number one pick, ESPN dot Com read the entire
Speaker 1: story because this quote is standing out to people that
Speaker 1: you got somebody who doesn't love the sport. I always
Speaker 1: go back to Ryan Leaf, Ryan Leaf out of Washington State,
Speaker 1: great in the Rose Bowl. I don't think he loved football.
Speaker 1: I think he was good in football, but he didn't
Speaker 1: say it. You know, Anthony Edwards is a talented player,
Speaker 1: but to read the entire article and then tell me
Speaker 1: if you come away with by that guy doesn't really
Speaker 1: love playing basketball. He grew up in a tough environment,
Speaker 1: lost his mom, lost his grandmother, and he's a good kid.
Speaker 1: I heard him being interviewed on the Mothership on the
Speaker 1: Jump a couple of days ago, and I really liked him.
Speaker 1: I liked what I heard and how he sounded. And
Speaker 1: that's why when that quote came out and I went,
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like the guy that I heard on
Speaker 1: the Mothership. Sometimes these quotes taken out of context, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it stands out for a little bit
Speaker 1: more than what it really should. And that was my
Speaker 1: take on it. I thought, Okay, I'm gonna be fair
Speaker 1: to him. I'm assuming that he does want to play basketball.
Speaker 1: Football is one of his great loves, but he's going
Speaker 1: to be a well compensated basketball player. Yeah, Paul. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that really good wide receiver out of Colorado
Speaker 1: who ended up playing for the Washington Redskins, Michael Westbrook?
Speaker 1: Remember he was pretty good for a couple of years now.
Speaker 1: He did an interview I think it was at the
Speaker 1: draft or just before the draft, and they asked him
Speaker 1: about it was it always his dream to play in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He goes, no, I've never watched an NFL
Speaker 1: game before. I've never been to one or watched one
Speaker 1: on TV, because because I just go out and play football.
Speaker 1: And I remember everyone was like, whoa, how do you
Speaker 1: you're you're a twenty one years old you never watched
Speaker 1: an NFL game before? It was It wasn't exactly a
Speaker 1: red flag, but it was weird to hear someone say
Speaker 1: he also beat up his teammate too. You remember that,
Speaker 1: Stephen Davis. So going back at all, Stephen Davis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no, I don't watch any football, but boy, I
Speaker 1: love to beat up teammates. I think I read that
Speaker 1: Trevor has barely ever watched this Srevor Lawrence. Yeah, NFL
Speaker 1: football too. There it is. I mean, he wouldn't say that,
Speaker 1: but college guys, some stars hate watching NFL football. It's
Speaker 1: the most bizarre thing. Like guys who play. It's like,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go home and starr. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I do not. I listened to it growing up. But
Speaker 1: when I'm done with the show, the last thing I
Speaker 1: want to hear is somebody else pontificate. I've been enough
Speaker 1: you know, a gas bag for three hours each day.
Speaker 1: I don't want to listen to somebody else tell me
Speaker 1: everything that I need to know. I've already done that too. America.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break here, we'll talk to Chris Mannox.
Speaker 1: He'll join us coming up. I'm sure Mannox will not
Speaker 1: be all in on my thoughts on LaMelo ball, I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: out of the way mannix your favorite player in the draft.
Speaker 1: Five years from now, when we play this SoundBite, you're
Speaker 1: going to look like a star. I still think that
Speaker 1: James Wiseman will be the next great big man in
Speaker 1: the NBA. Is that important? Sure? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the value of the big man is still really important.
Speaker 1: It's just the big man has to do a lot
Speaker 1: more than what he did in the nineties and early
Speaker 1: two thousands. I mean, if Wiseman can prove that he
Speaker 1: can step out beyond the three point line, which I
Speaker 1: think he will, he's going to add that to a
Speaker 1: repertoire that already includes incredible athleticism, defensive instincts that will
Speaker 1: make him an impact player on that end right of
Speaker 1: the way right away. Look, we can talk about this,
Speaker 1: but I think Golden State is still fielding offers for
Speaker 1: that number two overall pick. But if they stay at
Speaker 1: number two, I believe Wiseman will be in Golden State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if he's that obvious, it's that obviously he's going
Speaker 1: to be great. Why would Golden State pass on something
Speaker 1: that's obvious? Well, I mean because if you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to acquire a player that fits your championship window
Speaker 1: more closely. You certainly have to lock in on that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Wiseman is basically going to be off for
Speaker 1: almost two full seasons by the time he gets back
Speaker 1: onto the floor. I mean he only played those three
Speaker 1: games at Memphis last year, So there's going to be
Speaker 1: a considerable learning curve for James Wiseman. If you're in
Speaker 1: Golden State, you're looking at two three years with this
Speaker 1: group where you could potentially win three championships if you
Speaker 1: get the right guy. So if you're the Warriors, you
Speaker 1: have to consider all veteran players available. The problem is,
Speaker 1: I'm really not seeing those type of impact players materialize
Speaker 1: as trade targets right now. Tommy Shepherd with the Wizards
Speaker 1: came out in a conference call yesterday and said Bradley
Speaker 1: Beale is not available. Bradley Beale is not going to
Speaker 1: go anywhere, and he's been saying that for the better
Speaker 1: part of the last six months, So it would be
Speaker 1: a big reversal on that part. I don't think Harden's
Speaker 1: in play for Golden State, at least not right now,
Speaker 1: so I don't think there's a deal for them that
Speaker 1: makes sense on Draft night, I like LaMelo Ball I
Speaker 1: like him. I know that there's other things that come
Speaker 1: with that, but I do think that ceiling wise, I
Speaker 1: think with Golden State, that would be the perfect ownership
Speaker 1: management coach star players. And I will say this, his
Speaker 1: dad is extremely selfish, but his sons are very unselfish
Speaker 1: when they're on the floor. You might be able to
Speaker 1: correct that shot a little bit. With Steph and Clay
Speaker 1: there and Steve Kerr a great shooter as well. I
Speaker 1: know he doesn't play defense, but defense is an attitude,
Speaker 1: and I think he could. He could be like his brother.
Speaker 1: Tell me why you would not take LaMelo ball? Well.
Speaker 1: I love the playmaking. I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: spectacular in that area. I don't love his shooting, and
Speaker 1: I certainly don't love his shot. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: watch that LaMelo shot, it reminds you in some ways
Speaker 1: of Jokim Noah's shot, which was useful during Jokim's career.
Speaker 1: He was a solid He developed into a solid perimeter player.
Speaker 1: But you know, for a point guard and somebody that
Speaker 1: you need to be a consistent three point threat, I
Speaker 1: think it's going to need some significant changes, just like
Speaker 1: his brother A Lonzo needed some changes to his shot
Speaker 1: when he came into the NBA. That's like, it's not
Speaker 1: a deal breaker, but it makes it a risky pick
Speaker 1: at number one. I don't know. I honestly don't know
Speaker 1: what Minnesota is going to do a number one. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they're going to keep that pick. No, if
Speaker 1: I'm Golden State, I look at him because I got
Speaker 1: a guy who can fit in that system under you
Speaker 1: come off the bench, but he can absorb the Warrior's way,
Speaker 1: And I think that of all the places for him
Speaker 1: to go, that would be the place that I could
Speaker 1: see him really really benefiting two two things. One, I
Speaker 1: do think he's still in play for number one. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's still possible with Minnesota, which would make
Speaker 1: it extremely uncomfortable with D'Angelo Russell to get shoved out,
Speaker 1: potentially by another ball brother. I mean, that would be
Speaker 1: a tough look for for D'Angelo. I just don't I
Speaker 1: don't see it in Golden State. Dan, Yeah, maybe, no,
Speaker 1: I mean long term maybe. But if you're the Warriors,
Speaker 1: are you really thinking long term right now? I mean
Speaker 1: you've got your star court is just in their early thirties,
Speaker 1: Draymond a little bit older. I think you've got to.
Speaker 1: I think you've got a focus on guys that can
Speaker 1: help you win right now, and I don't know that. Look,
Speaker 1: you can potentially play if you dropped Anthony Edwards, you
Speaker 1: can potentially play with Anthony Edwards, Clay Thompson and Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: I just don't see a scenario where you could really
Speaker 1: play Steph LaMelo and Clay Thompson. I agree with that,
Speaker 1: but the number of years Dannon would take to get
Speaker 1: LaMelo on the same page, You're just you're just wasting
Speaker 1: prime and you're wasting the prime years of your guys.
Speaker 1: I think you've got to get better right away. He's
Speaker 1: Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated NBA senior writer. The James Harden
Speaker 1: situation now Russell Westbrook when I saw that maybe the
Speaker 1: Wizards and the Rockets could swap John Wall for Russell Westbrook,
Speaker 1: and I thought, if I'm Houston, why the hell do
Speaker 1: I want John Wall? Now, if I'm Washington and I
Speaker 1: got Russell Westbrook, I'd do that in a second if
Speaker 1: I'm the Wizards. But if I'm the Rockets, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: trade anybody right now. I think they have leveraged certainly
Speaker 1: with Harden. I need another team interested in Harden before
Speaker 1: I make any move there. What do you think? Chris
Speaker 1: completely agree it would be knee jerk for the Rockets
Speaker 1: to make a deal for James Harden right now. He's
Speaker 1: under contract for the next three years. And yes, he
Speaker 1: sent some pretty powerful messages to the organization by turning
Speaker 1: down that two year extensions, as Adrian war Jnowski reported
Speaker 1: at fifty million dollars per I mean, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: strong message. And look, he's communicated that he would like
Speaker 1: to play in Brooklyn. So you know, the smoke signals
Speaker 1: are getting a lot stronger these days from James Harden.
Speaker 1: But that can't be a factor if you're the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1: You have got to get multiple teams into a bidding war.
Speaker 1: Maybe that doesn't happen until mid season. Maybe things have
Speaker 1: to shake out where maybe Washington struggles and Bradley Beal
Speaker 1: does become available, maybe there's another player we're not talking
Speaker 1: about that does become available. More importantly, if you're the Rockets,
Speaker 1: you have to address the Westbrook situation first, Like, you
Speaker 1: can't do anything with James Harden until you figure out
Speaker 1: if somebody will take Westbrook and what you will get
Speaker 1: back for Westbrook. So one of the reasons the Wizards
Speaker 1: things didn't go anywhere is because my understanding is the
Speaker 1: Wizards were like, we'll talk about a John Wall Russell
Speaker 1: Westbrook swap, and the Rockets come back saying, well, we
Speaker 1: want picks too, Like, no, you're not. We'll take your
Speaker 1: distressed asset for our distressed asset, but we're not going
Speaker 1: to start giving you the kind of compensation that you
Speaker 1: gave to Oklahoma City to get him in the first place.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a tough needle the thread because
Speaker 1: I don't know that the market is there for Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: I mean, people keep pointing at the Knicks. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Knicks might have been this stupid five years ago,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's dumb anymore. And for everything
Speaker 1: I've been told out of New York, they're really not
Speaker 1: interested or focused on Russell Westbrook. Charlotte might, but if
Speaker 1: Wiseman goes number two and Anthony Edwards goes number one,
Speaker 1: Charlotte's gonna jump on LaMelo Ball. And if they take
Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball, that would probably pull them out of the
Speaker 1: race for Russell Westbrook. So a Charlotte team without a
Speaker 1: young point guarding the draft might be Houston's best chance
Speaker 1: to make a deal for Westbrook at least the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I mentioned this a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 1: I think James Harden is at the point in his
Speaker 1: career where he can't do anything more individually than he's
Speaker 1: already done. Team wise. We know he can, and maybe
Speaker 1: he senses that, can we do what Golden State did?
Speaker 1: Can I go with KD. Kyrie and we create that
Speaker 1: because when he was sixth man in Oklahoma City, Harden
Speaker 1: was wonderful off the ball. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's at the point where, how about I average twenty
Speaker 1: two and we're actually a factor in winning a championship here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's part of this that he
Speaker 1: sort of senses I'm thirty one. Time is sort of
Speaker 1: running out with me. To be recognized as one of
Speaker 1: the great players of all time. He's always going he's
Speaker 1: one of the great scores of all time. He'll never
Speaker 1: be labeled one of the great players of all time.
Speaker 1: It'll be great scores of time. And maybe that's starting
Speaker 1: to sink in a little bit. Dan. I think you're
Speaker 1: dead on with the assessment of kind of who James
Speaker 1: Hardens and Scott Brooks has told me this story a
Speaker 1: couple of times where you know, Hardened in Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: was fine coming off the bench, like had no issue playing,
Speaker 1: you know, third fiddle to Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: And every time I kind of repeat this, people will say, oh,
Speaker 1: that was a lifetime ago. James Harden is a different player.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the Alpha, the three time scoring champion, the
Speaker 1: MVP that he is right now. That's all true, but
Speaker 1: my understanding of James Harden is that that mindset is
Speaker 1: still within him. He's not going to go to a team,
Speaker 1: any team, and demand it be his team, especially not
Speaker 1: a team that, as Kevin Durant on it, a player
Speaker 1: he's still been close with over the years. People forget
Speaker 1: Dan that James Harden didn't leave Oklahoma City because he
Speaker 1: needed a bigger role. He left Oklahoma City because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay him, and that remains one of the great
Speaker 1: mistakes of the Oklahoma City franchise as you go back
Speaker 1: in history. They wouldn't give him the full max contract
Speaker 1: and Houston would. I'm not I don't have too many doubts. Dan,
Speaker 1: Then if you put James Harden on a team with
Speaker 1: Harden and Kyrie and Kevin Durant, I don't have many
Speaker 1: doubts that Harden will be able to fit in. Kyrie's
Speaker 1: a different story. I'm not sure how that works with Kyrie,
Speaker 1: but I think Harden would be fine in that situation
Speaker 1: because to your point, he values winning. He wants a
Speaker 1: chance to win. That's why he wants out of Houston,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's angling for Brooklyn. I like what
Speaker 1: the Lakers did with Dennis Shrewder. I think that's a
Speaker 1: sneaky great pick up. He's what twenty seven. You're gonna
Speaker 1: probably lose Rondo Caldwell, Pope will come back, Anthony Davis
Speaker 1: will come back. Do the Lakers do anything else here
Speaker 1: in the off season or in the draft offseason, Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean they are going to go bargain shopping with
Speaker 1: their exceptions to see if there are those players out
Speaker 1: there that want the chasing championship. And we know there
Speaker 1: are players like that every year. The deal was kind
Speaker 1: of their one ship to play because they had Danny
Speaker 1: Green's contract and they had to pick the deal, so
Speaker 1: they kicked the tires on a few situations there where
Speaker 1: they called. They talked to Milwaukee about Eric Bledsoe. This deal, ultimately,
Speaker 1: I think is better for them because Shrewder is still
Speaker 1: a player on the rise. He's a terrific catch and
Speaker 1: shoot three point shooter, which really matters when you play
Speaker 1: off of Lebron James, and he's coming off the best
Speaker 1: season of his career where he probably should have won
Speaker 1: the NBA six Man of the Year awards. So this
Speaker 1: I think is a big time edition because I do
Speaker 1: think they will lose Rondo either the Clippers or somebody
Speaker 1: else in free agency as he seeks that one more
Speaker 1: big deal. I also, Dan, I like this deal Proklaoma City,
Speaker 1: and when this deal happened and the deal in Milwaukee
Speaker 1: happen with Drew Holliday, I'm thinking like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: like May of twenty twenty seven when Sam Presty and
Speaker 1: David Griffin are the only people in the lottery room.
Speaker 1: It's like the two of them because they just have
Speaker 1: they have all the picks, like they keep hoarding all
Speaker 1: these things, and they're gonna wind up with everybody's picked
Speaker 1: and be in the room by themselves in the summer
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. The great Chris Mannox. Thank you, Chris,
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrats, NBA Senior writer, have fun tonight. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you soon. Ricky Rubio to Oklama City. Yeah, sorry
Speaker 1: about that. Sorry about that new jersey, Sorry about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got a lot of jerseys, Ricky Rubio's name on it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris. We'll come back. Mike Florio is going
Speaker 1: to join us. This bizarre story of the defensive back,
Speaker 1: former defensive back of the Giants. I thought he might
Speaker 1: be going to jail, and then his agent is going
Speaker 1: to jail, perhaps for extortion, and then the Kansas City
Speaker 1: chiefs end up picking up the defensive back. I mean
Speaker 1: this is he may end up getting a ring like GE's.
Speaker 1: Just such a bizarre story, and Antonio Brown could be
Speaker 1: in trouble again. He may have violated his contract. Have
Speaker 1: that for you. Coming up with Florio right after this.
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Speaker 1: at NP show. I saw this story, I followed this story.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand this story. And that's why I
Speaker 1: bring in Mike Floyo from Pro Football Talk Live, the
Speaker 1: co host with Chris Simms every morning Monday through Friday,
Speaker 1: preceding this show on Peacock. It's the story of DeAndre Baker,
Speaker 1: who played for the Giants, or at least I think
Speaker 1: he played for the Giants, and now he's with the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. He'd got a chance to play for
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring. Who would have thought we'd be
Speaker 1: in this position? Mike so explained to the audience the
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker situation. Well, it's funny. You don't understand it.
Speaker 1: You assume I understand it. I'm not sure anybody understander.
Speaker 1: A lawyer incident back in May involving DeAndre Baker and
Speaker 1: Quentin Dunbar, where the allegation was that they committed armed
Speaker 1: robbery at a house party, and as the days and
Speaker 1: weeks went by, there became a sense that maybe the
Speaker 1: witnesses slash victims were changing their stories. And maybe people
Speaker 1: were seeking money, and it all got very confusing and murky,
Speaker 1: and it's entirely possible that something happened that shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1: But once the witnesses essentially are disqualified by this financial angle,
Speaker 1: and you had a lawyer representing the witnesses slash victims
Speaker 1: who ended up being arrested for extortion, you know, it's
Speaker 1: possible something happened that didn't happen, and then somebody saw
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make some money off of it, and
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, the whole case falls apart
Speaker 1: because no one can testify now because everyone's been corrupted
Speaker 1: by this one way or the other. So the end
Speaker 1: result is Quentin Dunbar never got charged. He's still playing
Speaker 1: and has been playing for the Seahawks. Baker was charged,
Speaker 1: was cut by the Giants, was reinstated by the league
Speaker 1: from the Commissioner example list, and now is a member
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs practice squads. So who knows what ultimately
Speaker 1: did happen on that evening in May, But the end
Speaker 1: result is there's no one who can take a witness
Speaker 1: stand and ultimately provide the kind of evidence that would
Speaker 1: convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. So no one's getting charged.
Speaker 1: No one's going to jail except maybe people who are
Speaker 1: involved in this scam to turn the situation into a payday.
Speaker 1: But I thought the lawyer is he involved charge with extortion?
Speaker 1: Is the lawyer for these two DeAndre Baker? Is he
Speaker 1: in trouble too? Well, it's the lawyer. This is where
Speaker 1: it gets even weirder. It's the lawyer representing the witnesses
Speaker 1: slash victims who got charged with extortion. But then the
Speaker 1: lawyer for Quentin Dunbar was under scrutiny for being involved
Speaker 1: in this effort to pay off witness to see, there's
Speaker 1: a gray area there between paying off witnesses to influence
Speaker 1: testimony and also seeking the money because you're extorting money
Speaker 1: from these potential criminal defendants and basically everyone ends up
Speaker 1: being compromised and the only winners in all this are
Speaker 1: the guys who very well may have committed a crime,
Speaker 1: but it's never going to be proven because you have
Speaker 1: no one that you can now put on a witness
Speaker 1: stand that anyone's going to believe because it's all been
Speaker 1: tainted by the profit motive that pops up when people realize, hey,
Speaker 1: you know that crime I just reported. Maybe I can
Speaker 1: change my testimony if somebody's going to give me some
Speaker 1: money to do so. DeAndre Baker ends up with the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs on their practice squad. Is he any good? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't great last year, but he was
Speaker 1: a first round pick. So somebody saw something in the
Speaker 1: guy to bring him into the NFL at a fairly
Speaker 1: high level. And if the Chiefs believe that they can
Speaker 1: work him into their system. And that's the thing about
Speaker 1: the practice squad that she got sixteen guys because the
Speaker 1: COVID protocols, you have a spot to burn. Bring him in,
Speaker 1: see what he has. It's low risk, it's low money.
Speaker 1: And if you like him, you bring him up to
Speaker 1: the active roster and you put him on the field.
Speaker 1: If you don't like him, you just sever tize and
Speaker 1: move on to someone else. So I think it's smart
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs to do it. And yeah, he now
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to finish a very difficult and challenging
Speaker 1: year with a potential Super Bowl appearance. Will the newest
Speaker 1: allegations against Antonio Brown be enough for the league to
Speaker 1: step in? First of all, explain what happened and did
Speaker 1: he violate his contract already? Well, and you've got three
Speaker 1: different parties that may care about what happened on October fifteen.
Speaker 1: You've got the Buccaneers who already have issued a statement
Speaker 1: making it clear that they don't care. You've got the League,
Speaker 1: and then you've got the authorities who have responsibility for
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown's felony probation dating back to the incident in
Speaker 1: January with the driver of a moving truck. He's on
Speaker 1: probation for a felony, So one false move and you
Speaker 1: get thrown in jail. So what happened on October fifteen?
Speaker 1: Allegedly he broke a security camera at a gated community
Speaker 1: he resides at in Florida. He allegedly threw a bike
Speaker 1: at a security guard shack. The homeowners association decided not
Speaker 1: to press charges, but police concluded there was probable cause
Speaker 1: to find him guilty of misdemeanor criminal mischief. So, from
Speaker 1: the authority's perspective, is that enough to attack his probation.
Speaker 1: That's one question that hasn't been resolved yet. From the
Speaker 1: league's perspective, this guy's a repeat offender. Is this enough
Speaker 1: even if he's not charging We've seen guys get suspended
Speaker 1: without ever being arrested, like Ezekiel Elliott. Is this enough?
Speaker 1: But there's a separate issue Dan. Under the terms of
Speaker 1: the Personal Conduct Policy, if you're involved in an incident,
Speaker 1: even if you're not arrested, you've got an obligation to
Speaker 1: tell the league and you can be disciplined separately for that.
Speaker 1: And the league yesterday, through its in house media conglomerate,
Speaker 1: reported that it didn't know about this, so Brown didn't
Speaker 1: tell them about it when it happened. That could be
Speaker 1: a separate ground for disciplining him based upon his history
Speaker 1: suspending him. You know, he's still got this open issue
Speaker 1: arising from the civil lawsuit alleging sexual assault rape that
Speaker 1: the league just kicked the can. They didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: They're gonna wait and see what the court does. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to take a position one way or the other,
Speaker 1: which is kind of ludicrous to me. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: have an in house justice system, at some point you
Speaker 1: need to issue a verdict their verdict is, or just
Speaker 1: wait and see what happens. But if they are motivated
Speaker 1: to go after him, they already have enough just based
Speaker 1: on the fact if it's true, as reported by NFL media,
Speaker 1: that he didn't disclose it to the league. So look,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Dan, We've seen this
Speaker 1: time and again over the past ten years. The league
Speaker 1: is going to do what it wants, when it wants,
Speaker 1: how it wants, and it has enough cover to do
Speaker 1: basically whatever it chooses to do in any one case.
Speaker 1: So we sit back and we wait and see whatever
Speaker 1: inclination they may have. If they want to suspend him again,
Speaker 1: they can, If they want to look the other way,
Speaker 1: they can, and we just wait and see what happens.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike floryal Pro Football Talk Live co host.
Speaker 1: I brought this up when Alex Smith got in the
Speaker 1: game a couple of weeks ago, and I said to him,
Speaker 1: do you have your comeback Player of the Year Awards
Speaker 1: speech ready? And then all of a sudden, I had
Speaker 1: somebody say, well, you're forgetting about Ben Roethlisberger, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: Ben coming back from arms surgery, he's you know, I
Speaker 1: guess implanted himself in the MVP candidate c race. But
Speaker 1: Alex Smith came back from nearly dying, nearly losing his
Speaker 1: leg to throwing for over three hundred yards in a
Speaker 1: game like I don't I don't know if it matters
Speaker 1: to either one of these players winning Comeback Player of
Speaker 1: the Year award, But it feels like what Alex Smith
Speaker 1: did is a whole lot different than what Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: has done, even though Ben has played at a very
Speaker 1: high level and they're undefeated. Where do you stay well?
Speaker 1: And I agree with you, coming back from near amputation
Speaker 1: and near death is significant and it's unprecedented, and we're
Speaker 1: always going to have somebody who comes back from an
Speaker 1: injury and plays well. So I think the fact that
Speaker 1: this one is so different sets it apart. And part
Speaker 1: of the problem is nobody knows what it means to
Speaker 1: be the comeback Player of the Year. Ryan Tannehill won
Speaker 1: it last year. Shrine Williams who works with us at PFT,
Speaker 1: So what did he come back from? Stinking? Does that?
Speaker 1: Does that make you the comeback Player of the Year?
Speaker 1: And what I remember when Matthew Stafford won it, he
Speaker 1: never was in a position to be coming back. It
Speaker 1: was just a first year he was any good. So
Speaker 1: there's no definition for it. And I know Peter King,
Speaker 1: who's got one of the votes, said before Alex Smith
Speaker 1: even played in a game. All he's got to do
Speaker 1: is take one snap and he gets my vote, and
Speaker 1: I have a feeling a lot of the fifty voters
Speaker 1: feel the same way. I'll leave you with this with
Speaker 1: a quick response. If Kyler Murray wins the NFC with
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, dot dot dot MVP, oh without question. If
Speaker 1: he wins, if well, now, if he's the one seed,
Speaker 1: and he very well could end up taking the Cardinals
Speaker 1: to the one seed. But this guy's going to be
Speaker 1: potentially and he's on track to be the first player
Speaker 1: in league history to throw for four thousand yards and
Speaker 1: rush for a thousand yards. Everything he does is exciting.
Speaker 1: I wish more of his games were on a national
Speaker 1: platform so we could all appreciate how good he is.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone like him, the combination of speed,
Speaker 1: a jill of the a awareness. It is so fun
Speaker 1: to watch him, and I can't wait to see him
Speaker 1: on Thursday night, and I hope that we get to
Speaker 1: see him more times before the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Mike, Thank you. Coming up
Speaker 1: next hour and we'll talk to the Indiana head coach,
Speaker 1: Tom Allen. He's got Ohio State coming up this weekend.
Speaker 1: Back after this and The Dan Patrick Show,