WEBVTT - BA Q&A: Don't Quit Your Way Miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got some juicy career questions today. Let's take our

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<v Speaker 2>first question. Let's do listeners, Steph, Steph on Ig. By

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<v Speaker 2>Just your question there. All right, So Steph has a

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<v Speaker 2>great question. She says, Hello, ladies, I'm a huge fan

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<v Speaker 2>of the podcast. Thank you for all that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get right to it. I have been headhunted by

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<v Speaker 2>one of my company's direct competitors and it's looking like

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<v Speaker 2>they will give me a job offer. The position would

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<v Speaker 2>be a lateral move, but it pays much more than

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<v Speaker 2>I make Right right now, that said, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to work for them. I've not heard great things about

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<v Speaker 2>the company, and I'm currently very happy with where I'm working,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that I believe I should be paid

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<v Speaker 2>a higher salary. My question, once I've received the job offer,

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<v Speaker 2>do I turn it down and never say a word

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<v Speaker 2>to my boss, or do I tell my boss that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been headhunted by a competitor to see if my

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<v Speaker 2>company can match the offer. I'm afraid that if he

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<v Speaker 2>says our company can't match it, I'll have to leave

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<v Speaker 2>my job and work at a company I don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all you manage it, I'm like, woo, I love.

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<v Speaker 2>This question so much. First and foremost, Steph, even though

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<v Speaker 2>you hate this company, it's amazing that you have been

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<v Speaker 2>headhunted because that tells me immediately that you have a

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<v Speaker 2>strong professional brand. Like they needed someone to fill this role.

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<v Speaker 2>They found you on LinkedIn, I'm sure, or some other

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<v Speaker 2>avenue and they were like, Steph, this is our girl.

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<v Speaker 2>She has what we need sight unseen. So that's great,

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<v Speaker 2>and you should be flattered and feel good about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you were headhunted. Don't lose sight of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you have some leverage here. So I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you have this competing offer, and like you're nervous

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<v Speaker 2>because you think if you go to your manager and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a competing offer, that they're maybe just going

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<v Speaker 2>to show you the door and be like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't match that, so you can go work for you

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<v Speaker 2>know whoever down the street. But here's the thing, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you are really good at your job and they

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<v Speaker 2>really value you, I highly doubt that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this job market, it's hard to find great talent

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<v Speaker 2>these days, and it's very expensive to go back from

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<v Speaker 2>ground zero and have to start recruiting for a new

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<v Speaker 2>role again. So I honestly would walk into a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with your boss. And to be clear, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>definitely should talk to your boss about this, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the best strategies you can use to

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<v Speaker 2>get a raise at the place where you currently work.

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<v Speaker 2>And I coach people who have a lot less leverage,

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<v Speaker 2>who literally are just like I've been given more responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've done some market research and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that I should be paid this, and then they make

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<v Speaker 2>a case to their managers and they've gotten it. You

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<v Speaker 2>actually have a company who's telling you, like, here's a

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<v Speaker 2>hard offer telling you that you're worth more. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is actual leverage. And if your company, like again, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're great at your job and you're highly valued, you

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to go to them, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>respectfully and say, hey, here's the thing. I've been headhunted.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got this competing offer. You guys. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>stay here, like I definitely do, but I can't ignore

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I have been valued more by a competitor.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I want to give you guys an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to match this offer or get as close as possible

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<v Speaker 2>and then stop talking and let them take it into

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<v Speaker 2>the whatever room they're going to take it to, let

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<v Speaker 2>him forward the email on to HR and figure out

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<v Speaker 2>what they can do for you. Then it's really up

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<v Speaker 2>to you, Like they may come back to you and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot, you know, get you all the way here,

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<v Speaker 2>but we can get you part of the way. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we can maybe give you a retention bonus now and

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<v Speaker 2>revisit it a later time in the year, whatever, then

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<v Speaker 2>it's up to you do you want to stay or

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to take that offer. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think ultimately is the money going to be worth you

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<v Speaker 2>being miserable, Especially if you have a good idea that

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<v Speaker 2>the place you're going to work is not the place

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<v Speaker 2>for you, then this may not just be the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>for you right now. But I wouldn't look at it

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<v Speaker 2>at a loss. Like let's say they decide they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to match the offer, and you're exactly where you

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<v Speaker 2>started out, still working for this company, knowing that you're underpaid.

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<v Speaker 2>I and sometimes you can feel like, oh, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't really accomplished anything, but I think you have. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>for one, you've verified that you're being underpaid and you

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<v Speaker 2>should look yourself for other jobs that you will love

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<v Speaker 2>that will pay you more. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you've like made a great connection in another company, and

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<v Speaker 2>your professional brand you've been confirmed is really strong. So

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<v Speaker 2>this to me, for you is like.

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<v Speaker 1>A win win.

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<v Speaker 2>But I definitely would take the offer to your boss,

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<v Speaker 2>give them a chance to match it. But then you

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<v Speaker 2>got to make the best choice for yourself. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm all about quitting your way rich, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not quitting your way miserable, Like that's not what I'm about. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you should just taste dollar signs just

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<v Speaker 2>to be chasing them. So I'm really glad that you

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<v Speaker 2>sent this question. Congratulations and I want an update.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll say this as a as a boss, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who has employees. I'll say that if one of

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<v Speaker 1>my top amazing performing employees came to me and said,

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<v Speaker 1>hey to me, honestly, you know, I love working your girl,

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<v Speaker 1>but this other place is you know, going to offer

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<v Speaker 1>to pay me this, and you know, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see if they could be matched. Honestly, I would

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<v Speaker 1>look in. I would absolutely I would hit a first price.

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<v Speaker 1>Person I would call is George, who's my CFO, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, based upon our company size and our financials,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, can we afford to match? You know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I would be looking to keep you, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>if we can't afford to match, she might say, Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, based upon our company size and our revenue whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't do a full but we could do sixty

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<v Speaker 1>or seventy percent. I would offer you something if I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you brought a lot to the table, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because always I'm thinking to myself what's best for the

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<v Speaker 1>overall company, you know, But what's best for the overall

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<v Speaker 1>company is also not only to worry about the financials,

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<v Speaker 1>but to have the best people working here. So to

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<v Speaker 1>Mandy's point, you know, like it doesn't there's no harm.

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<v Speaker 1>If if like my best employee came and told me this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, oh, oh my gosh. And then but

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be on my p's and q's like what what

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<v Speaker 1>can I offer more? What can I do to compensate

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<v Speaker 1>them in other ways? You know? Can I give them

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<v Speaker 1>Fridays off? Because you know, when you illustrate your oprah,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that you illustrate your value to such a high

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<v Speaker 1>level that is undeniable and undoubtable, people will make room

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And so don't be afraid to step into

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<v Speaker 1>your great is this they recognize.

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<v Speaker 2>You, girl. It's like when someone else says that someone's cute,

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you're dating someone, they're getting a little complacent.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they find out someone else hit on you. They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wait a second, my girl is really cute. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's it's very much like relationships. But I'm excited for you, Steph,

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<v Speaker 2>will you please send us an update? Y'all can't leeve

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<v Speaker 2>was hanging like this? We love updates. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick break out and be back with another

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<v Speaker 2>of your BAQ and A's. Tiff what's our next question?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually just.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next question sheet. It comes from Sarah on IG.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you get up us up on IG. We are

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<v Speaker 1>Brown Vision Podcast on Instagram and Sarah said, Hey, Tiffany

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<v Speaker 1>and Mandy, what are your thoughts on the over employment

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<v Speaker 1>movement happening? And honestly I never heard of the overemployment movement?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you? What is that? Mandy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So being over employed these days is basically because

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<v Speaker 2>of how many places are now allowing people to work remote.

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<v Speaker 2>People who have more time on their hands because they're

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<v Speaker 2>not commute, you know, for example, they've got more time

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<v Speaker 2>available and they've got more flexibility. They're taking on more jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>So like you see people doing gig work, like freelancing

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<v Speaker 2>work or in like I've actually had a coaching client

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<v Speaker 2>who who hired me to talk her through a situation

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<v Speaker 2>where she kept her full time job. I think she

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<v Speaker 2>was based in Arizona, kept her full time job, took

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<v Speaker 2>another job that hired her. They were based in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>but were allowing her to stay remote, so between the

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<v Speaker 2>time difference, she was able to like have a nine

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<v Speaker 2>to five work day doing two jobs. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>she did that was not to necessarily, we'll take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the situation, but because she wasn't sure the second

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<v Speaker 2>job was going to work out and she wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>like give them ninety days, but she was afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>quit her other job. I would not recommend that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of if people find out, like I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there would be a way for someone to find out,

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<v Speaker 2>I would not recommend that. But I definitely know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people who are taking on a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>extra work because they feel like, oh, I've got these

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<v Speaker 2>extra hours in the days, So why wouldn't I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to squeeze this for all I can and

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<v Speaker 2>get more money out of it. I mean, my only

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<v Speaker 2>thought is for people who are wanting to advance in

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<v Speaker 2>their careers, I would just make sure that the additional

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<v Speaker 2>work that you're taking on is helping you gain new

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<v Speaker 2>skill sets or get experience for the path that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to go on in the future. So, especially for pivoters, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're someone who's you're working in a field now

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to go into a new field, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you educators. I talk to so many educators

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<v Speaker 2>to teachers who yes and they want a new path.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things we're usually lacking is you

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<v Speaker 2>know that hard experience, like the hard and like the

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<v Speaker 2>skills or the showing your work like a portfolio or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got teacher clients who are like taking a

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<v Speaker 2>course on the side and then taking on freelance work

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<v Speaker 2>to like build up their portfolio. I think that's smart,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's getting you to where you want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about people who are like taking on

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of work just for the sake of doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like maybe your goal is just to make some extra cash.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I were doing it, then I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>choose a side gig or choose another job that is

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<v Speaker 2>able to like propel you forward in your career or

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<v Speaker 2>business or whatever you're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I see that because honestly, when I I mean

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<v Speaker 1>now that I understand what that means. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher, I used to have summers off, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was different, but I knew a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>teachers that would work in the summer, you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, I've got two jobs, but I've got,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like my school time job and then I

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<v Speaker 1>have my summer job or too. Sometimes I also know,

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<v Speaker 1>like so a Drew and he was working for housing.

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<v Speaker 1>He one of his closest friends was a super at housing,

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<v Speaker 1>but also on the weekends worked at a hospital because

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<v Speaker 1>he had his boiler license, so he would keep like

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<v Speaker 1>the boilers and the and you know, the acs and

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<v Speaker 1>things running at the hospital. So, you know, because it

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<v Speaker 1>provided extra money. And honestly, the lift was super light.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just think that, you know, like when incorporating

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<v Speaker 1>additional work, to Mandy's point, unless it's necessary to keep

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<v Speaker 1>your family afloat. You need food, you need shelter, you

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<v Speaker 1>need safety, you need medicine and transportation. You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>taking on work that overworks you, you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>temporary solution at best, because you know it's only but

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<v Speaker 1>so long before you're going to exhaust yourself. My advice

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<v Speaker 1>has always been like, if you're taking on extra work

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<v Speaker 1>just for extra money for your pocket, to look for

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<v Speaker 1>something that is an extension of what you currently do.

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<v Speaker 1>To Mandy's point, like, it's like, okay, it can propel

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<v Speaker 1>you forward. But also too, I like that too because

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<v Speaker 1>oftentimes there's not a new skill set, especially if I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do light lift stuff like I used to

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<v Speaker 1>tutor and babysit on the side when I taught preschool.

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<v Speaker 1>It was super easy. I got off at three, I

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<v Speaker 1>picked whatever kid up at like three thirty till five

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<v Speaker 1>thirty extra mo money for my pocket. Plus I got

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<v Speaker 1>paid extra because I was a teacher, you know. Or

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<v Speaker 1>to do something where you already have like a certification

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, it will lead to that, because that can

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<v Speaker 1>lead to extra pay as well, or just an increase

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<v Speaker 1>in knowledge base so you can take that with you

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you want to go. So yeah, I'm all for

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<v Speaker 1>making extra money, but not overworking yourself unless it's absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>necessary to support yourself and to create safety for yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and your family.

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<v Speaker 2>And y'all be careful if you're working full time jobs

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<v Speaker 2>back to back or even a part time job, keep

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff separate, Like I wouldn't be doing work for

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<v Speaker 2>one job on your other jobs. Company provided computer like

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<v Speaker 2>that will get you fired in a swiftness, with the quickness, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so keep things separate. You have to be really good

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<v Speaker 2>at time management, so like be realistic about what you

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<v Speaker 2>can actually handle in a given day, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it will catch up to you. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>also companies are getting savvier and they're starting to implement

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<v Speaker 2>like time tracking systems and things like that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think now they're getting savvier. We're a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>into this pandemonium, so maybe the jig will be up

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<v Speaker 2>for some people. But if you guys are working multiple

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<v Speaker 1>for the ba QA this week. I hope it was helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep asking your questions about business, about career, about money.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we're here for it.

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<v Speaker 2>it grain of salt. Okay, anyway, I get it. See

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, thanks Friday. But oh yeah, and check out

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