1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Today's episode of Drive to the Draft Podcast, Jason and 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: I are recapping day four the offensive line. Man, the 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: big nasties, I mean they can move, some of them 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: can dance. We're gonna review all those guys in that 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: segment right there. 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: And Logan, I need you to take me to the tape. 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Who are guys that just stood out at the combine 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: and you went, oh, I got it. I gotta to 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: watch that again. 10 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Give it once more. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys 11 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: in there too. Again. We love giving you guys names, 12 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: breaking those things down, and we go options for the 13 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: commanders at seven, trade back, trade up, stick and pick 14 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: offense defense. There's a ton of options and Logan that 15 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: all starts right now. 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast. I am 17 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: just a guy, Jason, Jason Johnson, And if you're joining 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: us for the first time, you may not know who 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: this is probably due that's a joke because hey, you're 20 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: on everything that we do. 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: That's not true. 22 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: Ten year NFL tight end logan Paulson. 23 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm really excited to talk about the fourth 24 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: day of the combine, which the offensive line and some 25 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: other good skits and bits you develop. 26 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: The other thing I really quickly want to bring up, 27 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: even though we're on the Washington Commander's YouTube page, we're 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: not just Washington Commander's content. If that makes sense, We'll 29 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: definitely look at it from that prism. 30 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: So I just want to say this. One of the 31 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: things that I always get really bugged about when we 32 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: do draft shows and draft content is I feel like 33 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: every time you turn on you know, mel Kiper, you 34 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: turn on name your draft person that you like, they 35 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: talk about the same you know, twenty five guys, the 36 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: guys that are going to go in the first round. 37 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: They can talk about different iterations of the first round. 38 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: But to me, the lifeblood of the draft is not 39 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: the first round. It's the prospects that come later. And 40 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: so I like to spend a lot of time on 41 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: those guys because those guys are going to those guys 42 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: are going to make your team better. Like I look 43 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: at the Philadelphia Eagles last year, look at the Seattle Seahawks. 44 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: Obviously they have first rounders contributing, but they have dynamic 45 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: players in the second round. They have a UDFA guard 46 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: starting for them. They find these pieces and are my 47 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: goal with this show. When we started doing this show 48 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: was to just introduce the fan base to as many 49 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: possible prospects as we could that we feel like, that 50 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: we like and that maybe aren't getting national recognition. 51 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: And if you're a fan of another team, you're gonna 52 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: hear names of guys that inevitably will be drafted by 53 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: your team, even though we're talking about them here on 54 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: a Commander's Podcast. We don't end up drafting them. Someone 55 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: else does. So please, if you're a fan of another team, 56 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: join us. We're happy to have you in here. Leave 57 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: comments as well. The only ones I would say don't 58 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: be in here is Cowboys fans get at acurated. We 59 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: don't want to. 60 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: We don't want to. 61 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: I want to get going. Logan, you and I are 62 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: really good friends. We're best friends. That's a bit that 63 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: happens on this show. But I want people to know 64 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: that you and I are really good friends. So leave 65 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: comments because Logan listens to me, because we talk about 66 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: literally everything, including our favorite rom coms. We did that 67 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: the other day, little debate on our favorite rom coms. 68 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: Just dudes being dudes, guys. But the big thing I 69 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: want to talk about is a combine. I'd love to 70 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: doing the combine with you. We got back last night. 71 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: We're now in studio in the Big Bear AI Command 72 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: Center studio. That's pretty awesome. And we saw the offensive lineman. 73 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: We were maybe one of only fifty people in this state. Yes, 74 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: watching the thing, but this is your bread and butter. 75 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I just enjoy the offensive line. 76 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: I think I enjoy it so much because it is 77 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: kind of it's a very strong current in the NFL draft. 78 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like when people 79 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: talk about, oh, this is a week you know, top ten, 80 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: or this is a kind of unconventional top ten because 81 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: you're going to get a linebacker or a running back, 82 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: maybe a guard, you know, in that group as opposed 83 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: to quarterbacks and receivers or in tackles. Like, the offensive 84 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: line is the thing that teams usually go to that 85 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: offsets that right. And so this is one of the 86 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: groups that you come out of and you say, like, 87 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys that are projected potentially 88 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: to go in the first round. How high do these 89 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: guys go because of the weak points in the draft? 90 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Like I think back to the year when like Fano 91 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: was drafted and Alt was drafted, and how all these 92 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: guys that were supposed to be quote unquote second round players. 93 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: There's like a flood of offensive tackles that get picked 94 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: from fifteen to twenty five, Like, does that happen this year? 95 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Does that push people down the board? Does that push 96 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: good football players down? Because people look at offensive line 97 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: as relatively safe picks, specifically in the first round, because 98 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: if you pick a tackle, they can always bump in 99 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: the guard right, they have long runways. You draft a 100 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: left tackle, they can bump to right. Like there's all 101 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: these different ways to offset the success of the pick. 102 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: And I just feel like teams and organizations look at 103 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: these guys in a very specific way, very different way 104 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: than fans. They're not, you know, catch, They're not gonna 105 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: be a thousand yard receiver. They're not gonna rush for 106 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: a thousand yards. You're not gonna have the tight end 107 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: that you know, is this first down monster. Like those 108 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: are the fun, kind of sexy positions to talk about 109 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: for fans. But this is the thing that to me 110 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: drives draft and also to me drives draftiering and draft 111 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: spacing in a way that I think a lot of 112 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: people don't don't always consider. 113 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go ahead, and let's yeah finish taking 114 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: off that jacket you got halfway through. Let's talk about 115 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: the guys that impress you. I think that's the great 116 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: place to start. So the combine, watching these big guys 117 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: run forties, do some measurements, talk about like the guys 118 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: just immediately stood out, and then we'll get into their drow. 119 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: So if you're watching on TV, this is what I 120 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: do when I go to the combine, Like I put 121 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: it in my notes, I got all the names written out, 122 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: little plus checks and minuses, and so let's start with 123 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: the guys to me, because this is like why people 124 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: watch the combine, the guys that tested insanely well. And 125 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: there's no guy that tested better in my opinion than 126 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: Monroe Freeling from Georgia. So he's six seven, he's three fifteen. 127 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: He's got thirty four and three quarter inch arm, which 128 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: is way above threshold. You hear us throw that term 129 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: around threshold a lot, So threshold for a tackle usually 130 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: he's around thirty three inches, Like if you think about 131 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: well Campbell last year under thirty three, which was a 132 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: big kind of talking point. He's well over that, almost 133 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: thirty five. His hand is ten and three quarters a 134 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: big hand over anything over ten is a huge hand. 135 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: He's a big man. He ran a four nine to 136 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: three at that size, so that's impressive and usually a 137 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: pretty good indicator of success at the NFL. Like there's 138 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: really great longitudinal studies looking at offensive linemen who run 139 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: some four or five in their careers. And if you 140 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: think about it, it's Pine Seul, it's Trists and Wurfs, 141 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: it's Trent Williams, it's Jason Peters, it's these guys that 142 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: are like these freak athletic tackles. So he hits that threshold. 143 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: He had a one to seven one ten, which is 144 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: one of the fastest at the combine for offensive lineman. 145 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: He had a thirty three point five inch vertical and 146 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: a nine to seven broad, So all of those numbers 147 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: are really cartoon And I was just trying to think back, 148 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've seen a guy measure that 149 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: way and run jump the way that he did at 150 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: the combine. So he's a guy. The reason we bring 151 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: him up because everyone said, oh, he's kind of an 152 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: early second round pick. He's starting to get in the 153 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: conversation as a late first round guy. And I think 154 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: with a performance like this, just from an athletic profile, 155 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: he kind of reminds me of Amarus Mims a little bit, 156 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: the other kind of Georgia freak that's come out the 157 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: last couple of years where everyone said, oh he's raw. 158 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: He hasn't played a lot, same kind of profile here, 159 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: but all of a sudden you test this way and 160 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, let's take a shot on 161 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: him at fifteen kind of deal. 162 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, And the thing that stands out to 163 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: him on tape like that you talk about real quick, 164 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: because now we got his measurements, does a lineup with 165 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: I mean he looks I mean he's nasty, right, really 166 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: strong in a run game, big big bull strength, Right, 167 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: what else have you seen from him? 168 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: So? I think you're looking at a guy quite honestly, 169 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: who is He's an athlete, right, So he's bendy, he's long. 170 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: I think the thing that to me showed up on 171 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: the field work, so he tested well. I thought his 172 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: workout was just okay. So like you're what you're looking 173 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: at for when you're looking at the offensive lineman and 174 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: a workout is foot speed, foot dexterity. So are the 175 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: feet quick? Are they going where they want them to, 176 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: and then how is my kind of core mid section 177 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: hip strength? And this guy had a little bit of 178 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: baby deer to him, right, So he's running the drill. 179 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: He looks fast, but he'll kind of stumble as he's 180 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: coming out of his stands, or he'll kind of slip 181 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: up as he's near in the finish line. And so 182 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: I think that speaks to the rawness of him. He's 183 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: only had fifteen starts in college. You see a guy 184 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: again who can move around, who's got okay ben, not 185 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: elite bend. He's got good transitions, but you also see 186 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: some of the awkwardness on film, and so I think 187 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: like it kind of is this perfect mixture where you 188 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: say everything you want there. There's still some physical development 189 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: that needs to happen from a dexterity coordination standpoint, but 190 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: he feels like a guy that somebody's going to want 191 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: to spend a first round pick on. 192 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, with my just a guy eyes. The way I 193 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: would describe the movement sometime is kind of lumbering. 194 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's like it's he's lumbering, He's lumbering 195 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: and quick. It's like it's like this weird, like like, 196 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: for example, there's a play versus Alabama where they're running 197 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: an at stunt where he's kicked out on the defensive end. 198 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: The guy runs inside, it's a great job pushing it down, 199 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: locks it off to the guard, and then is able 200 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: to kick back out on the looping defensive tackle. So 201 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: when you see that from a tackle, especially in college, 202 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: it's like two thumbs up, amazing, love it. Then there's 203 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: the next play where he kind of works on a 204 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: double team, does a good job getting low, gets a 205 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: little high in the second level. The linebacker kind of 206 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: chins him and he kind of he doesn't. He kind 207 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: of trips over something and ends up falling down. Like 208 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: it just there's this weird kind of like yes, yes, yes, 209 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: and also like that's a little bit concerning. But I 210 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: think the athletic profile is there, and I think again 211 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: that showed up in the field workout. But the testing again, 212 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember in the last five years we've been 213 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: doing this an offensive line that tested better than that. 214 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: All right, who's next? Were you that stood out? 215 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: So we're going to do two testers and then we're 216 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: going to do two field guys. Okay, so the next 217 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: field guy is Max iron Ancor from Arizona State. Six 218 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: six three twenty one thirty three and seven ancent's arms 219 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: nine inch hands, so not quite as big, but I 220 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: think he ran a sub five flave forty. I think 221 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: I was just writing that down as we were doing this, 222 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, so he uh yeah, four point one nine 223 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: thirty inch vertical seven to nine broad all amazing kind 224 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: of threshold checking marks for this gentleman. And just if 225 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: you want testing freaks like he was supposed to be 226 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: a freak, he tested like a freak when Roe Freeling 227 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a freak, tested like a freak. 228 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: I think even exceeded expectations. But interesting prospect to watch. 229 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: I'm very high on him, and I actually came out 230 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: of this being slightly less juiced on him because I 231 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: thought he was way stiffer in some of the movement 232 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: stuff than I thought he would, which again is why 233 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: you look at the field. 234 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: Well, he's got a big booty in a belly. He 235 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: does move around with that, but like that's part of 236 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: like what makes them good, I think is that he 237 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: has that lower half really helps him. 238 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: I will say, when you watch him in the field 239 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: work like he like he looks like a he's got 240 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: a quad god right, like quadzilla, you know what I'm saying. 241 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Like his legs are enormous and it kind of affects 242 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: how he has. His legs are so big in a 243 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: muscly way that it affects how he runs. And you know, 244 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: so like there is a little bit And that's the 245 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: other thing is when you look at offensive linemen specifically, 246 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: they are really tall. They're really big, so kind of 247 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: those normal movement patterns don't always jive. But the foot 248 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: speed's excellent. He's a former basketball player that shows up. 249 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: You see the strength. There's sometimes where he's a little 250 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: bit t Rex armed, like just in terms of how 251 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: he carries his hands in his pas set, like they're 252 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: in near his chest as opposed to like kind of 253 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: a nice distance carriage, which when Roe Fielding does a 254 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: great job of using those thirty four inch arms. So 255 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: I would say that with him, there's some technical development 256 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: that needs to happen. But I think the athlete the 257 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: movement skills little tight, but I think that's probably accounted 258 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: for by his body to shape and structure. Again, just 259 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: a physical freak and tested really well. Big dude tested well, 260 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: love to see it for him. 261 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: He's the next guy that you love just to test, 262 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: you know. 263 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: So the testing of So this is a little bit 264 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: of a cheat honestly, because Spencer Fano tested like an 265 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: absolute freak, and so I'm gonna say this is a 266 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: little bit of a cheat because test he's he tested 267 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: like a freak. But also his field work was maybe 268 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the best person at the combine. 269 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: Which is why there's real talk he could be the 270 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: first correct offensive lineman off the board. 271 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should have mentioned that. So it's kind 272 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: of between Spencer Fano and Francis Malinoa from Miami. Francis 273 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: Malio didn't work out, and a lot of the Miami 274 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: guys didn't work out, and a lot of people like, oh, 275 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: they you know, they're supposed to be competitive, they're supposed 276 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: to be tough guys. And when you talk to scouts, 277 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: that's a big thing, like I want to see you compete. 278 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: My thing is they just finished playing football. What is 279 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: that like less than a month ago? Almost right like 280 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: before the right before the Senior Bowl, right which was 281 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: four or five weeks ago, maybe so very close. Proxy, 282 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: I am going to give those guys some grace, some 283 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: guys from Miami did test. That was their prerogative, but 284 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: I also think, like get the body right, get healthy, 285 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: that's a long season. I don't have a problem with 286 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: it necessarily, but Spencer final from Utah did choose to test. 287 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: And I think the thing is, like the movement skills were, Jason, 288 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they're impeccable, Like they're everything you want. So 289 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: everyone's going to be talking about his arm length. I 290 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: think it was thirty two in a quarter or something 291 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: like that, like under threshold because we talked about thirty 292 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: three inches being the threshold. He is under the threshold. 293 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: But if you have elite feet, guys can overcome those 294 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: threshold measurements. And I will say, Jason, this guy look 295 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: like a tight end running around up. 296 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. And in our previous one of our previous episodes 297 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 2: that we did you can check it out on Spotify 298 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: or Apple Pod, we ranked our top offensive lineman, yes, 299 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: and Spencer Fino was obviously near the top, And that 300 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: was one of the things that we talked about, was 301 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: like he moves like a tight end. It's not a 302 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: tight end body. He's bigger than that, right. The athletic 303 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: move that he has is pretty incredible, and that's what 304 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: leads to in the last twelve games, zero socks allowed, 305 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: zero QB hits, allowed only five hurries in twelve games. 306 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: Only allowing five hurries. That's crazy, it's crazy talk. And 307 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: this is this is all from the first group. So 308 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: we're gonna do a quick one on the first group 309 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: and we'll do a quick one on the second group. 310 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: So we'll get about maybe eight guys through here. But 311 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 3: he's six five and a half. He's three eleven, so 312 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: came in heavier than he thought. He talked about the 313 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: forty four to nine to one, which is incredible. Uh 314 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: one seven to ten yards but which is awesome, thirty 315 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: two inch vertical jump, which is fantastic. 316 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: So like he really checked every box. And people say, 317 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: are you worried about the arm length? Everyone's talking about 318 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: Will Campbell? His wings his wingspan, which is like the 319 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: total length of his body is eighty inches, which is 320 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: under which is which meets threshold. So he's a bigger 321 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: framed guy than Will Campbell, and he moves so incredibly well. 322 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: So usually when you see that kind of frame with 323 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: those kind of feet, you can overcome some length limitations. 324 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: I also think he's got a pretty good anchor too, 325 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: just a natural feel for that anchor position. So in 326 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: terms of of killing the day, you know, just a 327 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: guy that was fantastic in both areas. I think you 328 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: can't go any because everyone expecting to come in and 329 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: do well be the best guy on the field. Not 330 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: only was that best guy on the field that tested 331 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: really well, So hats off to him. Just really just 332 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: a fantastic job. 333 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear who your last one is in 334 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: this mind. 335 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: My last one from the first group is Ans Cooper 336 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: from Miami, Okay, And a lot of people might not 337 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: know who this is. He's the right guard for the 338 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes. He I think he waited at three forty five, 339 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: big old fella. And so when you traditionally when you 340 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: see guys that way over three forty that are really 341 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: slow footed, and that was not the case. And Miami, 342 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about on the show before, they have one 343 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: of the best offensive line coaches in the nation. And 344 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: his footwork we talked about in the droll work what 345 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: you're looking for right foot speed and foot dexterity was excellent. 346 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: Like if you would have said, hey, man, that guy 347 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: ways three forty five. I probably wouldn't have believe you 348 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: if I hadn't seen the numburain measurement myself. So kudos 349 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: to him because he flashed, looked incredibly solid, incredibly consistent, 350 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: flexible in his stand and a guy that I know 351 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't talking about because he had 352 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: to back out of the Senior Bowl again because Miami 353 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: played through the Senior Bowl, which is or played right 354 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: up into the Senior Bowl, which is pretty crazy, but 355 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: an absolute stud of a of a day for him, 356 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: for a guy that I was not expecting to look 357 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: the way he did. 358 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, coming in, I mean I knew he was like 359 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: just this brute of a nasty really good in the 360 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: run game, good at getting to the second level, and 361 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: I thought his athletic ability was only okay, right, Like 362 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: it wasn't bad, wasn't great, But here he moved really well. 363 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: Adel's in it popped. So it's like it makes me 364 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: want to go back and look again and be like, 365 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: am I missing something that I misevaluate his movement here? 366 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: And honestly, that's the point of the combine, isn't it right. 367 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily to be like, okay, he's the fastest guy, 368 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: check him off, move him up the board. It's oh 369 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: he's fast. 370 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: Or he bend's better than I thought, right, Like, you know, 371 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: it's funny like this first group's got probably more names 372 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: in it, but I thought the second group worked out 373 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: out better for like on the field, and I think 374 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: it leads to more of me wanting to go back 375 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: and watch those guys a little bit more for some 376 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: of the things you're talking about there. So should we 377 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: talk about a second group? 378 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: Now? Yeah, let's get to the second group, and we're 379 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: talking about guys who looked like measured well. 380 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good here, yeah, measured well. So this group 381 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: didn't honestly measure as well as the first group. They 382 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: didn't run as well, like there was some differences there. 383 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you a guy that to 384 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: me just I expected him to tests well, but to 385 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: see it live and a living color was really impressive. 386 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: And that's Kan Proctor for Wilabama. So he ran a 387 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: five to two and ever and was like, well, that's 388 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: not very fast, but he also had a thirty three 389 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: inch vertical so that's just as high as Monroe. Freely, 390 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: like I have an inch difference he weighs. He weighed 391 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: in at three hundred and fifty five pounds. I was 392 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: listening to something that Dane Brugler put put out who 393 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: we had on our show if you want to check 394 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: it out on you know, Apple whatever, Spotify, Thank you. 395 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: Interview with him from the Athletic and Connor Rogers from 396 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: NBC Sports, NFL stocks Change. That's right, that would be 397 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: audio only. That'll drop later this week, so make sure 398 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: you go. 399 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: In some scrib And so the thing about Caden Proctor 400 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: is he said Dane Brugler said this, and who's he's 401 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: the computer of the draft. He said, it might be 402 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: the best vertical jump ever for a player over three 403 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds. And when you watched him run 404 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: his forty like the angles and positions he's able to 405 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: get into the athleticism oozes off this guy. Yeah right. 406 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: And so he was six seven, three fifty five. Again. 407 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I think that three fifty five five number for him 408 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: is good because he played some of the season at 409 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: three seventy. People said he got to get your weight down. 410 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: It's about fifteen pounds down. He had thirty three in 411 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: a quarter inch arms, so not the longest arms in 412 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: the world, but definitely above threshold. He reminds me a 413 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: little bit in terms of measurements of Darnell Wright, who 414 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: plays right tackle for the Bears. So I thought he 415 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: kind of checked the day off and then workout was good. 416 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: But then he goes to the field and I thought 417 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: he really stood out there. 418 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: Pops. 419 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way he's a he's big. He's big 420 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: from the stands right, and like when you can see 421 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: someone from the stands, you're always like, holy cow, look 422 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: at that guy and the feet quickness, the dexterity of 423 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: the feet, and the thing with him for being six 424 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: seven and three fifty. Usually those guys don't bend very well. 425 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stiffness to them. Like his, Like 426 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: his bend is just incredible. So the athletes there and 427 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: attested pretty well. 428 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, let's talk about that real quickly. When 429 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: you say the athletes there with guys that are this 430 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: big that play offensive line, is that he's he's young, 431 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: twenty years old, which is crazy. Also, Alabima knew he 432 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: was an athlete. They even threw him the ball a 433 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: couple of times, let him try and run in the stadium. 434 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: I think it was on NFL Network. They did like 435 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: a little funny bit where they compared him to Melvin 436 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: Melvin Ingram. Yes, that's right right as far as his movement, 437 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: which is wild, But the point they were trying to 438 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: make is that he's just an athlete. 439 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: He's just huge. 440 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: So when you have a guy that is maybe raw 441 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: and young, why is he potentially a first, second, third 442 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: guy off the board as far as the line so raw, Like, 443 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: talk to me a little bit about why you take 444 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: the raw athleticism in this position, specifically in tackles and 445 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: guards and center. 446 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: So I think that's what plays like. I think when 447 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: you look at again, like those top think about your 448 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: top tackles. Historically they're really twitchy, they're really fast, and 449 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: people say that doesn't seem to coincide with what I 450 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: see on the field. But having played with Trent, having 451 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: played with Laramie and Houston, those guys Trent Williams, obviously 452 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: those guys move differently, and those athletic movement skills allow 453 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: you to get in positions, allow you to deal with 454 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: these fast as rushers, allow you to kind of get 455 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: out on screens, get to the second level in the 456 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: run game, and those traits play for a long time 457 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and so I think that's why it's 458 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: so exciting to see a guy like this do what 459 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: he did and confirm some of the stuff you see 460 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: on tape when you go back and watch it, and 461 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: really happy for him obviously, all. 462 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: Right, who's the next guy from this group? 463 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: So this is a guy that I did not have 464 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: a lot of file on and kind of one of 465 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: those guys I want to go back and watched. So 466 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: twofold Keelan Rutledge guard from Georgia Tech ran a five 467 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: point six point forty so it was absolutely blazing right. 468 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: In addition to having a great work like the watching 469 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: move around like in terms of testing, he also was 470 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: superb on the field. Was maybe the most impressive guy 471 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: on the field in the second group, like fast conditioned, 472 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: moved well, like talk about the pole drill, like where 473 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: they have to kind of get around like pin pull. 474 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: So there's two guys next to each other. One guy 475 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: blocks down, the other guy pulls around and works up 476 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: to the next level. Like there was just this incredible 477 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: foot speed. There's no hitch in his getty up. And 478 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: I haven't watched him. I haven't watched him yet so 479 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: talk about a guy that just tested well, surprised me 480 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: on the field with how he moved around, and the 481 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: other element I mentioned there was conditioning, like talk about 482 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: like I'm up, I sprint to my spot, I finished 483 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: the drill, I jogged back like just checked all these boxes, 484 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: and I thought, here's a guy that was extremely prepared 485 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: this job interview and did a great job with it. 486 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: Next on the list, I haven't watched him either, so 487 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: there's no. 488 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: No really for me. Oh yeah, so I don't feel 489 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: that bad. 490 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: I have them checked off here. I mean to go 491 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: back and get some eyes on. That's the fun of 492 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: the combine, right, like going having things that either support 493 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: what you thought or make you go, huh, who's that guy? 494 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: Let's go back and see. 495 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the other guy I wanted to point 496 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: out is a guy that again killed the fieldwork, but 497 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: also tested pretty well in that's Diego Pounds from Mississippi. 498 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: So yes, yeah, ye all, miss sorry. He's six six, 499 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: he's two hundred twenty five pounds, He's got thirty three 500 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: and three quarter inch arms. He's got a nine and 501 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: three quarter inch hand, so almost hits that ten inch hand. 502 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: Mark ran a five to one five forty, had a 503 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: one to seven to seven split, had a thirty inch 504 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: vertical jump and a nine to four broad jump, and 505 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: also read the three cone, which was very unusual at 506 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: this combine. Specifically, I he caught my eye as a 507 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: big athlete right when I watched old mistape because you're watching, 508 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, just Shaun shribbling. We were watching Trida End 509 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: Chablis for a while. The tight end there right is 510 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: his last name. We're also watching him. So he kind 511 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: of popped to me in the Miami game and for 512 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: him to come out, I knew he was a big guy. 513 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know he was going to test like that. 514 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: And then watching him on the field, like when he's pulling, 515 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: when he's in his stance again, like it to me 516 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: wasn't so much the technicality of it. It was the 517 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: lightness of him. Like he's this huge man, almost three 518 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds and he's like a dancing bear. 519 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: Now for him the film, you'll see these tremendous flashes boom, great, 520 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: huge huge pass set gets depth, huge punch cuts off 521 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: like a four eye on the backside, like really explosive. 522 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: But there's also some inconsistency to him. But I do 523 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: think when you're looking at a guy maybe in the 524 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: later rounds helped himself a lot, like I don't know 525 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: if he's a fourth round pick now. Fifth round pick 526 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: now kind of reminds me of Jayleen Travis from last year, 527 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: kind of those development upside play tackles where they inevitably 528 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: sneak in a little bit higher than you think. And 529 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: that's why I think it's important. We talked about some 530 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: of these guys who are really dynamic and explosive playmakers. 531 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: Also allowed zero sacks. You love when the production line 532 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: up with what you're seeing at the contract in these. 533 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: And a little bit of that is Trindidad Shambliss too, 534 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: like how good he was, but yes, you know, and 535 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: then so sorry one more player. Yeah, I know. We've 536 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: talked a lot offensive linemen and this is a guy 537 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: that I liked, but I didn't realize how much the 538 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: NFL liked him. Like Jason talked about how we don't 539 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: have any insight on the commander specifically, but we go 540 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: out talk to scouts from different teams, like we've been 541 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: going for a couple of years now. We bump into 542 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: people that we know, and everyone was like, oh, like, 543 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: what do you think of the top ten because commanders 544 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: are picking at seven, and I was like, who do 545 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: you think is going to be there? Right? Who's the 546 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: pick there? And they were kind of going through, you know, 547 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: the linebacker Sonny Styles, rbl Reeves, those guys and Caleb 548 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Downs and Jeremiah Love and I'll tell you I probably 549 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: had four or five conversations like that, and every single 550 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: one of them brought up veg Ione from Penn State, 551 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: and I was not I watched him and I kind 552 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: of thought he'll be he's a guard. 553 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: So he's gonna guard, which is what surprised. 554 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's going to be a he's going to 555 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: be like a twelve to twenty ish kind of ragne. 556 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: Like he's innevitive, like he's an awesome football player, but 557 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: final's going to go first. We know he's going to 558 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: go first, right, like those guys are going to go 559 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: ahead of him. But every scout was like, I don't know, man, 560 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Like this guy's a pretty gosh darn good football player. 561 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: And I knew he was a big man, like he 562 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: is a big like we saw him walking around the 563 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: hotel and I looked at him and like he's got 564 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: a big old head, broad shoulders, big bag, he's got 565 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: these big old you know, meat cleavers for hands. Dude, 566 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: but he's like six' five or sixty, six so he's 567 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: just a big. Dude and he didn't, run WHICH i 568 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: don't really have a problem with you or. GUARD i 569 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: don't have an issue with your running the. Forty but 570 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: the thing that came up to me was the technicality 571 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: and the foot position in the knee. Position like most 572 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: guards who are big like, that their knees will be 573 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: really vertical if you can watch it on the, screen 574 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: really vertical like. This he had a really nice internal 575 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: rotation of the hip so his foot is outside of his, 576 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: knee which allows him to change direction really. Well and 577 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: he did a great job in the mirror. Drill he 578 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: did a great job in the pool, drill and, really 579 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: LIKE i do check marks for all the, things he 580 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: has checks across every single. Drill and it wasn't just 581 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: the movement, skill but it is also how he carried. 582 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: Himself there's a lot of these bigger guys that kind 583 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: of have like this hunch. Back they're kind of they 584 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: don't have their glutes or hips developed that's not. Him 585 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: he's got big old, thighs big big old, Butt AND 586 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: i just was, like, man, LIKE i see. WHY i 587 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: see why people now are talking about the consistency of 588 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: this player in the first round because the film is. 589 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Excellent it's just you wonder about the dexterity of the, 590 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: person and the field work does a really good job 591 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: illuminating some of that stuff for. 592 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: You All, right do you have any more alignment that 593 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: you want to just throw out, there because we just stayed, 594 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: eight but let's get a little deep cuts. 595 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: Here, yeah So Amnuel pray gone From. OREGON i thought, that, 596 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: yeah he had a great, session a little bit just 597 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: a touch heavy, footed but if you watch the player on, 598 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: tape you totally are aware of, that, right because he 599 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: is a mountain of a human, being like big barrel 600 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: chested dude that can run a little bit but in 601 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: the short area a little bit, tight but guards you're 602 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: going to see some of that. Stuff SO i thought 603 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: he had a great workout on the. Field and Then 604 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: Jeremiah wright didn't. Run But Jeremiah wright is a huge, 605 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: man six.' six i think he's. Three forty he waited 606 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: at three forty At The. Senior. Bowl, anyway yeah and 607 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: the thing that immediately jumped out to me is we, 608 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: talked about, You know vega's. Foot position we talked about 609 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: the the Likeness Of caden proctor at three. Fifty five 610 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: this guy had. Electric feet imagine there was an electric 611 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: current going through the ground and his ability to instantly 612 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: pick those, things up put him down and just clod 613 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: man like he was cutting the grass with. His feet 614 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: for a man of, THAT size, i thought that is 615 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: a guard that is going to be excellent because he's 616 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: got tremendous body weight and circumference, to him but also 617 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: has these. Ballerina feet and we saw him At The. 618 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: Senia bowl he might have been the best interier offensive 619 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: lineman At The. Senior, bowl jason would you? Say, Sure Yeah. 620 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: JEREMIAH wright i mean like, loved him but didn't see 621 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: that that At The senior bowl was or at the 622 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: combine was. Was awesome and then from the, first group 623 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: let me just give you one. MORE name i got 624 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: to talk by my guy with. The Mullet That's jennings 625 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: Dunker from IOWA AND i i told some of this 626 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: at the airport the. OTHER day i don't want to, 627 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: love HIM but i can't help but. Love, him yeah he. 628 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: Just is he's on fire for, football MAN and i. 629 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: Love that it Screams, logan paul. Doesn't it it's like 630 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: we should do an episode where it's Just. Logan paul play, those, 631 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: players right they're just. 632 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Ball player he just as. A ballplayer he's like he 633 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: had these like like nice tight high shorts on his thighs, 634 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: were oute the mullets on, full display the mustache, is 635 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: OUT and i just, was like and he every single 636 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: drill absolutely sprinting to his spot finished. Navy, drill yeah 637 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: like the work like there was no harder working player. 638 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: Than him and there are some, physical, limitations RIGHT but i. 639 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Don't know, and AGAIN like i was talking to this 640 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: guy at, The airport, he's like, YOU know i like, him, 641 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: too WHATEVER but i don't like him in the range 642 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: that you like him all, this STUFF and i JUST 643 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: like I can't i. Can't quit and he had a, 644 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Great workout so there's that anyways, that yeah. 645 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: All right do you feel comfortable with the guys that we, 646 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 2: went through like any last shout outs real quick because 647 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: we're going to move ON from. 648 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: O line oh there's one guy because we're In the 649 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: maryland AREA that i think is important to MENTION because 650 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: i thought he tested well and EVERY time i didn't know, 651 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: about him but EVERY time i looked at, the Field 652 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: That's alan Herron, from maryland offensive tackle at the. Senior 653 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: ball also ran a five h nine forty and is a, 654 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: big dude thirty three and eighth inch arm and had 655 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: a thirty two inch vertical so. Moved well but the 656 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: drill work really caught my eye because he's just a, big, 657 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: Athlete right there's, some rawness some foot, placement, issues right 658 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: some some body carriage issues in terms of how he. 659 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 1: Passed protects but like you, GO through i go through 660 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: the LIST and i just write plus, or minus plus 661 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: or minus. Every drill, i'm like who's this Guy that 662 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: i'm writing all these? Pluses FOR and i even made 663 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: a note like this dude's a big athlete that. Moves 664 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: well and we're not talking maybe first, three rounds maybe 665 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: not talking. Fourth round but if you want to a 666 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: guy that has the athletic profile to dive, into something 667 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: this is a guy that would check that BOX that 668 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: i don't think a lot of people are. 669 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: Talking, about okay, that's, AWESOME man I love i know 670 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: so LITTLE about o LINE and o line play that 671 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: talking about it with you just gets. 672 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Me juice it gives me. JUICE stuff i. 673 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: Just love it talking about how the hips is just. 674 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: Great Stuff. All right so the next segment here is 675 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: kind of where we're going to do our all encompassing. Combine, 676 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: recap okay so The way i'm going to do this, 677 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: is logan take me to The tapepe AND what i 678 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: mean by that is that these are guys where something 679 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: happened at the combine where, YOU go i gotta go 680 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: watch that, guy's TAPE whether i whether you've already watched them, 681 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: fifty times, it's, like, OOF man i just just for 682 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: the just for the sheer joy, OF it i need 683 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: to go watch. It again or a guy, that's like 684 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: what you can, DO that i didn't know you could. 685 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: Do that let's go see you do that on. The 686 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: field or, it's like wait, A minute i thought you, 687 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: had this but this says. You don't WHAT did? I? 688 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: Miss right and going and back and rewatching. That way 689 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: so it can be anywhere for. Any reason but guys 690 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: that just made you want to go back to, The 691 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: tape just take me to. 692 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: The, Tape, Look yeah so let's start with my one 693 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: of my favorite receivers, on tape And That's denzel Boston 694 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: From up and the thing is about him, IS like 695 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: I love i'm a sucker if you watch, this show 696 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: if you listened to, This podcast i'm a sucker for. 697 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: Big Receivers and I've and I'VE thought i was breaking away. 698 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: FROM it i, was, like, oh YEAH like i know 699 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: what plays IN, The NFL like i want these like, 700 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: YOU know I Want jackson Smith. AND jigba i want, 701 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: you Know a mecca. AND book i want these guys 702 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: that are, you Know uh pukainukua like that. 703 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: Six six four. 704 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: Walks in he's got long arms and he's. Mossing PEOPLE 705 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: and i see him runn a comeback Up. AGAINST illinois 706 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: i like what, you LIKE and i LIKE what. I 707 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: Like and i'm, just, like ah, you know maybe THAT 708 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: maybe I maybe i can't, quit this just can't. 709 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: Quit it so. 710 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: WATCH it, I, thought man he is fast on film 711 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: and he's got good suddenness in the, short area which 712 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: was surprising to me because, he's tall he. Sixty four 713 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: usually those guys don't. 714 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: You know what else? He has he has some production 715 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: can't you can't. Ignore that twenty twenty four, nine touchdowns eight, 716 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: hundred yards twenty, twenty five, same thing eight, hundred yards. 717 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: Eleven touchdowns, so like he does. It right it's not 718 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: just he looks, the party? Does, it yeah we were There. 719 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: With uh it's so funny that for this is the 720 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: first year where he. Had producer caroline goes, with, us 721 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: right and She's a steelers fan but Loves the commanders 722 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 2: but Is a. Steelers fan she can't, help it and 723 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: she's just sitting there just She Sees denzel boss and, she's. 724 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Like yeah. 725 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: THAT'S it. I, CAN'T oh. 726 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: I can't i can't. Get resist he. 727 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: Can't not watch that and think what? Could be and 728 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: she's doing that From a. Steelers perspective, Quite, HONESTLY logan 729 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: i was doing that from a. Commander's perspective so what 730 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: did you see where? 731 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: You? 732 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: Went huh take me to. 733 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: The TAPE so i think the thing that made me 734 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: go to the tape IS one i thought he. WAS 735 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: fast i think he's faster than people want to give him. 736 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: Credit for, didn't RUN and i don't fault guys who 737 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: don't run at, the, combine know so we will get 738 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: juiced up at that but if you're fast on that 739 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: track where everyone's setting records every, year year like probably 740 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: going to give that a shot, to run he might have. 741 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: AN injury i. Don't know the thing that really caught 742 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: my ATTENTION is i thought he was a very technically solid, 743 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: route runner and he looked a little bit sticky on 744 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: stuff coming into, a comeback like couldn't quite get his, 745 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: hips down couldn't quite get his. Hips turned we're running a, 746 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: speed cup we got to take an. 747 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: Extra step that'd, be granted that's hard for these bigger 748 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: receivers just, in general. 749 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: But, ON film, i, thought oh he's actually pretty good at, 750 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: these things and so or he's he's better than you 751 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: would think for a. Tall receiver and then he comes 752 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: to the combine and just looks like a, tall reiver, 753 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: tall receiver and so comparing him To Like, malachi fields 754 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: who's your guy Right From, Notre dame like he's six 755 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: four and, a half he's. Two twenty didn't run, super 756 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: Well But malacky fields does it gets stuck in. Those 757 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Routes malachi fields is nice and smooth for. Those breaks 758 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: also ran an excellent three cone by, the way you, Know. 759 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: THAT no, i Didn't but i'm. 760 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: Excited, there yeah six, point nine which is excellent for. A, 761 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: guy besides so maybe we don't have to sell the 762 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: farm yet on that four two six forty or four six. 763 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: Two forty but so that was the thing, about HIM 764 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: so i, WAS like i want. 765 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 2: TO go i. 766 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: LIKED him i think he was my second receiver Maybe After. 767 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: Jordan tyson Was Like, Jordan Tyson, denzel boston And. Then 768 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: tate but now that's starting to flip because part of me, 769 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: IS like I don't i don't Know because tate doesn't 770 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: get stuck at the top of, his Springs and tate's, six', 771 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: three you know big guy too So And also jordan 772 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: tyson with, the INJURY history so i got to kind 773 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: of re. Evaluate that thing but that WAS the thing i. 774 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: HAD to set i had to go back and. 775 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: Watch, The tape yeah i'm just a spin off of. 776 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: That real quick i'm a big malechi fields guy Wide Receiver. 777 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: FROM notre dame i. Loved his tape he didn't look 778 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: super fast, ON the tape a lot. Of contested catches 779 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: there was excellent at, the CONTESTED catches but i thought 780 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: that he did enough that he. COULD create separation i 781 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: ALSO thought the qb play was not. Helping, Him Out, sure, notre, 782 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: dame Right Yep. And notre DAME but then i see 783 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: that he's slow, at THE combine and i was, saying, 784 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: to myself man like you felt confident. To run here 785 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: maybe this is the. Best you got makes me want 786 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: to go back and rewatch that tape and GO WHERE 787 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: did i i misjudge this or or is it AS fatal? 788 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: As? 789 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: I thought like i kind of want to go back 790 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: and reevaluate him when just a. 791 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: Notion, of, speed yes also. FUN little fact i found 792 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: this out at dinner. The other night so everyone looks 793 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: at the official Times, from, The, combine right oh the 794 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: official times, at the combine official Times. Of The. Combine 795 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: that's bible and then there's That Tweet about carnel tait 796 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: and everybody having a, different, forty TIME right, and, i 797 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: thought oh that's. Kind of who he bumped to a 798 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: scout and, he was like that's actually one, Thousand PERCENT 799 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: true and, i was like why do you guys not 800 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: use the. Official forty, times, He's like well i'm the 801 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: official forty times not going to go to, a pro 802 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: day but my thumb, And the stopwatch i'm using is 803 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: so they felt like he gave a Consistent measurement across 804 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: so his time might be completely different for a team 805 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: who might have had him at a four, or five 806 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: five which would be a totally great number For him 807 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: being I'm Talking. About malchie field so even though we 808 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: were getting this perception of, oh he's slow there, Are certain, 809 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: teams i'm sure because there's so much variation in the 810 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: hand times that have him at a reasonable number and 811 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: probably have not knocked HIM down the ba. The SAME 812 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: way just i wanted to make sure we. Talked About 813 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: that and I'M not saying i would even knock him down. 814 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: My personal board, i'm saying that like there's maybe because 815 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: this IS the thing i try and check Myself with 816 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 2: when i'm doing This now that i'm in, my third 817 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: year is to not fall in love with somebody right 818 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: away and then get, confirmation biased dude and like. Just 819 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: ignore THINGS so because i fell in love with, him 820 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: so quickly in love like, what he did, like you, said, big, 821 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: receiver boos well, great contested catches like, all the, things, 822 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 2: you go, oh, that's fantastic right and then like oh he's, 823 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: a little, slow, easy though, right you know, like you 824 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: know like when you get like, a you know when 825 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: you got like a girlfriend, and everyone's, like you know, 826 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: she does this, and, you're, like nah nah, not, My 827 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 2: agent Right like so. I'm a baby so like it's 828 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: that kind of LIKE notion that i don't want to. 829 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: Get caught in so seeing this is kind of like. 830 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: Jars me back it's, it's, the reminder yeah just you 831 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: might Just go look and that Doesn't mean that i'm going, 832 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: to change anything but, it's. Just yeah right but it's 833 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: one of those things that makes me want to go. 834 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 2: To THE tape but i want to shout him out 835 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: because he did have A day, WHERE i mean i 836 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: think if you look at that time in the forty, 837 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: people will, go oh. Man he's dropping and, maybe he is, 838 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 2: maybe he isn't but it does Make you, have paul's. 839 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 1: Yeah go back AND look at i think that's. Totally 840 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: totally reasonable i'm going to go with another receiver who 841 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: was not, on MY radar but i think you've Watched 842 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: Him as Antonio. Williams FROM clemson. Yes i have so 843 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: he ran while he ran at four to FOUR one if, 844 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: i remember correctly which. Was just fine but, on the field. Dude, 845 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: was fantastic yeah love how he, Sinks his hips love 846 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: how he comes out of breaks, a gauntlet drill running right, 847 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: down the, line no deviation catching. Balls OFF target so i, 848 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: LOOKED at him i, said, to myself well probably need 849 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: to go back and, watch this guy because, when YOU 850 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: look when I see, an nfl receiver he MOVES like. An, 851 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: nfl receiver now just because you MOVE like an nfl 852 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: receiver doesn't mean YOU are. An nfl Receiver So Like 853 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: ja COREY lane from usc had a great day, on the, 854 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: field so dexterous so in control, of his, frame so 855 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: like so coordination. TO the ball, i was like, Oh 856 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: My gosh But I've Watched ja corey lane and he 857 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: has a really hard time versus press and the route nuance. Isn't. 858 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: ALWAYS there right I Don't Dislike. JA cory lane i 859 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: think he's. A fine Player but, What i'm saying i'm 860 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: using that as An Example, is antonio williams while looking good, 861 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: on the. FIELD was excellent i got to go see 862 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: what this player looks like, on the tape and he 863 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: made me want to go back and look at this player. 864 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: On, the tape yeah when It Comes. TO antonio williams 865 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 2: i think one of the things you're, going to like 866 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 2: or that's going to pop out to You is that 867 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: clemson knew that this guy, was an, athlete a playmaker 868 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: because they have, them returning kicks they have them, in 869 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: the backfield running, out of there they move them everywhere 870 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 2: trying to get the ball. Into, his hands now he 871 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: had a hamstring injury early. IN this season i think 872 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: that's why he's like going a little. Under the radar 873 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 2: oh it is because of. That hams, injury the production 874 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 2: like the numbers weren't there because of that. DEALING with 875 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: that i would say the only things about his film 876 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: that like kind of threw up red flags to me 877 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: was he doesn't do a great job. At breaking tackles 878 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: once he, gets the book that goes. Down pretty easily 879 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: despite is like good sudden, cuts and shiftiness there's just 880 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 2: something where he just can't quite get away and he 881 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 2: just doesn't make guys miss is the way to put 882 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 2: it the way that you want to if you're going 883 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 2: to take someone that you would think he'd have if 884 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: you want to take. Someone up higher but as far 885 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 2: as like, a really nice solid high floor guy interesting in, 886 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: A later round i think he's got something. 887 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: There, for, SURE yeah dude. I love, that and again 888 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: like he's a guy that just popped in THE drills 889 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: and i want, to, SEE more right i think the 890 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: NEXT guy that i want to talk about or, You, 891 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: Got one. Jason, you're good no you keep going and 892 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: no one. 893 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: Cares, About me no you've. 894 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: Got some good. Stuff going ON. There is VJ payne 895 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: from i think he's from? Where's He? From kansas state 896 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: so he is a safety and so. JUST full TRANSPARENCY 897 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: i think i said this on, the Podcast too but 898 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: jason puts our list together, of, Our, prospects Right, SO 899 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: and jason i don't know how, you do it but 900 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: we get a LIST of about, i don't know. Fifty 901 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: offensive lineman there's about. Twenty five safeties and we had 902 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: to do it really early this year because we had 903 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: to get started because we're Going To. The shrine bowl and, 904 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: on that list some of those guys go, back to 905 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: school some of those guys. To come out but. We, 906 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: miss people YEAH. And so Vj Pain from kansas state 907 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: was not. On, that list yeah. 908 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 2: We missed him and. 909 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: So one of the things about him is he ran a, 910 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: four four forty which for, safety're like that? Guess pretty 911 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: good thirty, five inch vertical ten. To, seven broad oh 912 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: those are, pretty, good numbers right one point five to, 913 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: ten yard split. Which, is excellent however he measured in 914 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: its six' three two hundred and six pounds with thirty 915 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: three and, three quarter inch arms so thirty four inch 916 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: arms and a nine and. A half inch hand so 917 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: everyone Wants to Talk about nick ammin, worri from last 918 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: year like this dude is a very similar. Physical AND 919 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: athletic profile so i want to go see what this 920 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: looks like. As soon as possible? Can you play football 921 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: are you? Playing near the? Box are you? Physical are 922 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: you downhill because that, length would say yeah that length 923 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: would say you're probably good. In man coverage too the 924 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: forty time would. Say the same thing the change the 925 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: direction stuff in terms of the acceleration. One five ten 926 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: Split it gets my. I'm just super interested now wasn't 927 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: on our list right because for whatever we, we DIDN'T 928 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: get THEM but i got i have to go back 929 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: now and. Look at this guy. 930 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 2: Any ANYBODY else in the dB area that you? 931 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: Want To, TALK about you no i just had the. 932 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: One the one safety do you want to. Do, you 933 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: have somebody well let's. Move, to the, edges okay all 934 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: right so just, JUST so you know, i have one, 935 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: edge one tight. End and, one tackle all right. Give 936 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: me your edge, maybe it's the same THAT'S Probably. The 937 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: same malacki. Lawrence no it's not Oh Let's. 938 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 2: Start with malachai lawrence i'm. 939 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: So surprised by that. Well THAT'S Your Guy so MALACKI 940 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: lawrence east from ucf just to get you like a ballpark. 941 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: Range on this guy And The thing about malachi lawrence 942 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: IS the film was i was kind of. Lukewarm on the, 943 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: film it was like what what kind? Of athlete are, 944 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: you you play hard looks like, you got long arms 945 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: but like you don't. Flash all the time and in 946 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: terms of what kind? Of athlete is he he, kind, of, 947 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 1: said like oh low and You thought you think. I'm 948 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: a bad athlete what do you think of a five 949 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: to forty yard dash at two? Hundred and fifty pounds 950 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: or what do you think of A? Forty inch vertical 951 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 1: jason or about a ten? To TEN broad jump like. 952 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: I like all this i Like ALL those, two, and 953 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: i said oh maybe he's got maybe his. Arms aren't 954 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: that long he's got thirty three And. Five AS in charms, so, 955 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: I was like well i kind of. Screwed that one 956 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: up SO obviously the what i saw in the film didn't. Align. 957 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: WITH the athlete now i was a little bit aware 958 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: of this when We Went to THE shrine bowl and 959 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: i started SEEING, because like at ucf they played like. 960 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: A really tight five so think about like you, got 961 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: your offensive tackle and a tight five would line up 962 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: just on the outside shoulder of that. Player so really 963 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,479 Speaker 1: close so it's really hard to get a good pass. 964 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: Rush line on That So at the shrine bowl where 965 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: he was at got to wind up, a little bit 966 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: loner got to see him kind of run downhill and 967 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: attack the tackle, a LITTLE bit, more and i thought 968 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: this guy's. GOT something to him i didn't, Think it 969 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: was this so for him to test like this one 970 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: of the more comprehensive, TESTS at the combine i got 971 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: to go back and look at the, film and BE 972 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: like where did i not quite a line in terms 973 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: of seeing what THIS. Guy, Had at ucf. 974 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 2: Yeah i'm actually a fan of, how He moved there 975 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 2: and i'm going to go back and rewatch and MOVE 976 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 2: him around because i didn't really know what. To do 977 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 2: with him out. Of the shrine bowl but THERE was 978 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 2: something that. I liked about him so seeing him here 979 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 2: makes me, want to go back take. Me to the 980 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 2: tape speaking of taking, taking to the tape My guy 981 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 2: from the edge group is GOING. To. Be t j 982 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: Parker and the REASON clemson is because I was originally 983 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 2: when I first started watching edges and this was man, 984 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 2: way before the shrine like. 985 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: A long time ago wasn't. 986 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 2: Super high on him it wasn't super high on him 987 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 2: the way. That other people were, he's really built well he, 988 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 2: has the long arms which he showed up, that he 989 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 2: had there and he had the, thirty four vertical yep. 990 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 2: The four six eight BUT but but what i liked 991 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 2: about him was, the, Way he Moved right that's what that's, 992 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 2: what really caught me that makes me want to go 993 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: back and figure out, what's going ON here because sometimes 994 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 2: i thought he like he was, solid AS a mover 995 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: but i didn't see where people were having him ranked 996 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 2: high with the elite. Movement skills ON tape but then 997 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 2: I saw, This, and, I went okay back i. Kind, 998 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 2: OF see it. 999 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah i kind. Of, see THE movie, yeah and i 1000 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: think and it's Funny Because that the senior bowl has a, 1001 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: really productive you know a couple splash one on ones and, you're, 1002 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 1: kind OF like oh maybe i gotta start valuing this guy. 1003 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: Who's this long traits he had. 1004 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: Dresser a little bit he had a huge production drop 1005 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four, to twenty twenty Five, so everybody 1006 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 2: why yeah but he had twelve sacks and twenty. Twenty, 1007 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 2: four to six now to, be FAIR to him the 1008 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 2: qb hits and the hurries were. Kind of right there 1009 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 2: so maybe. 1010 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: It's just, like, Fluky statistical variant RIGHT but that's what 1011 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: i was. 1012 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 2: Trying TO find out and i think that the combine 1013 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 2: kind of put into perspective to me, that like he 1014 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 2: can he does have, the movements and maybe, like the 1015 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 2: film stuff go back and get a little tighter, yeah 1016 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 2: when your watch and maybe that production could, be just 1017 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 2: fluky things but The, Athleticism, WILL play yeah no. I, 1018 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 2: Think that's yeah again HE'S a guy that i was 1019 00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 2: very interesting to go back, and watch as well because 1020 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: go through at first, pass and, you're like, you know, 1021 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 2: big guy power rusher? 1022 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: How powerful are you but he moves a LITTLE bit 1023 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: better than i think people want to give him credit 1024 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: for one. 1025 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 2: OF the deepest positions i think at the. Combine, that 1026 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: surprised everybody yeah would be Tight. 1027 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,880 Speaker 1: Ends, THE logan pulse dude i was stoked that podcast 1028 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: was so fun to do because and this year especially 1029 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: because there's so many names like of guys that are 1030 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: are just going to be GOOD football. Players the nfl 1031 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: level they're gonna have a. 1032 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 3: Role. 1033 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: At some level YEAH one guy that i Want To 1034 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: shout Is NATE broadricker FROM. Texas a and M and 1035 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: the reason i wanted to shout it, out he didn't 1036 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: Run But at the senior bowl he was probably the. 1037 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: Most consistent pass catcher and then watching him, go through 1038 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: the GAUNTLET the thing that i loved about it was 1039 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: the how his hands when he's catching the football are 1040 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: totally independent of his torso. 1041 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 2: And, so so real quickly just for people, listening to 1042 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 2: gauntlet drills the one where they run in, That straight, 1043 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 2: line down oh yes turning, And catching the passes but 1044 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 2: what are you looking for? In THE gaunlet drill because 1045 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 2: i think a lot of even in the stadium when, 1046 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 2: we were sitting there people thought it was about. Just 1047 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 2: catching the ball that's obviously, a part of it but you're? 1048 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: Looking for something different what are you? 1049 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: Looking FOR in there so i want to make sure 1050 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: that they, can hold a line so like they've set 1051 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: them up on the, forty FIVE yard line and i 1052 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: want to see them run. Straight down the line and, 1053 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,320 Speaker 1: the reason, no weaving no snaking runs. Straight down the 1054 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: line and the reason THAT is is because i want 1055 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: to know how you track the football and how you 1056 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: catch the. Football with your hands because a body catcher 1057 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: will lose a, little bit of ground let the ball, 1058 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: come into their frame catch the football right and you do. 1059 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,919 Speaker 2: That in a game what DOES that allow? 1060 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: The dB TO do allows the dB to undercut right 1061 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: there and so like they'll lose a, little bit of, 1062 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: ground catch the football get, back to the line and. 1063 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: Go back into IT the other thing i WANT to 1064 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: see is i want to, see you stay grounded so 1065 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: like the. Way it can ACT the only way i 1066 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: can explain it is like imagine you're dancing and your feet, 1067 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: are on a rhythm so like the feature go, like 1068 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: boom boom boom. Boom boom boom boom if when the 1069 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: ball comes they go boom boom, and they slow down 1070 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: how are you seeing how? You tracking the football you 1071 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: do you trust your hands to, catch something, off frame 1072 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: and again like the. Throw there is important but The 1073 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: One thing ABOUT nate brodricker that i loved is he's 1074 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: running on the line and he's just plucking these, footballs from, 1075 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: the air low high no, deviation from the line no change, 1076 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: In HIS foot, Rhythm, and i thought okay that's pretty impressive, for. 1077 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: A big guy right i kind of thought of him 1078 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 1: more as like a. Blocking type of player he gets 1079 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: out to the drill work, routes are really smooth able, 1080 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: to sink his hips but it's the hands and the 1081 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: dexterity of the catches that really came to the forefront 1082 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: OF me AND. At a and, m i've watched. Him 1083 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 1: obviously he didn't he's not overly productive because they don't. 1084 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: Target him a ton he's not a big feature. In 1085 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: the past game he's. Like the THIRD option so what 1086 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: i got to go do now is kind of scour 1087 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: the landscape for all of his targets and see if that. 1088 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 2: Shows up for him there anyone else on the list 1089 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 2: before we move on. To OUR last segment so i got. 1090 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: Two guys for YOU one, one GUY i love but 1091 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: i just had. To shout him out so LIKE you 1092 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,439 Speaker 1: know that I like Him as Mark. Hal bell from 1093 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: miami he's measured at six.' nine three forty five his 1094 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: arm length was thirty six AND an eighth which is 1095 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: i think the longest. ARM length we've ever seen. I 1096 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 1: Just like watching him so i'm gonna, go back AND 1097 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: watch him. Just because, I like him you know i 1098 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: want to see if there's thirty six INCH arms like 1099 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: actually play. I think they do whatever And The other 1100 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: Guy is travis burke from memphis, six' nine three twenty 1101 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: five thirty four and a quarter inch arm and A 1102 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: ten and eighth inchand and i watched him on the 1103 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: field and he. Doesn't, move like a o liman yeah 1104 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,759 Speaker 1: like They're Play both Tackles then they so mark, oup 1105 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: bell a? Little more sluggish have. You footed he's a, 1106 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: big guy he's. Almost three fifty like a hulk he looks. 1107 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: Like a mountain like running. Around He's a big big 1108 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: man travis, burke is a big guy too but. The 1109 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: foot speed is way different the athletic he. Looks like 1110 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: a former basketball player and those guys tend to play 1111 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: pretty well on the offensive line if they can. Bring a, 1112 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: certain level Of physicality so again an offensive lineman, that 1113 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: wasn't on the initial. LIST measured in a certain way 1114 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: i think he ran a four, to five one five 1115 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: excuse me pretty good. FOR a guy that's sixty nine 1116 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: i got, to see if that athletic profile that physical Profile. Is, actually, 1117 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: ANYTHING significant in memphis. 1118 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 2: Yep absolutely i mean HE is clearly a mammoth when, I, 1119 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 2: Watched A film little raw right so i'm interested to 1120 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,439 Speaker 2: see What, you're going, To, say. 1121 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: About yeah me Too. Like usually you're not at memphis 1122 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 1: this is stereotypical if you're six nine with thirty. Four, 1123 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: and a half In charms yeah you're not at memphis 1124 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: because you're, killing. 1125 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 2: It just a little tough. Ye the movement in the 1126 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 2: film but that doesn't mean that he's not. Going to 1127 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 2: be a good right just so this is all off the. 1128 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: Field work in the forty time and then this is 1129 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: where like you got to get back to the, most 1130 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,240 Speaker 1: important piece of. The equation which is the film. 1131 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 2: So logan last segment here is we're going to talk kind. 1132 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 2: OF just draft strategy in general i want to have 1133 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 2: like at least one of these conversations for every one, 1134 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 2: of these episodes that we do is that. We'll talk 1135 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 2: a lot about prospects you, just got a lot of 1136 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 2: them but then real quickly just, four commanders kind of draft. Thoughts, 1137 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 2: right as far, as strategies YEAH so just so here's. What, 1138 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 2: I want you to do okay i want, you to 1139 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 2: rank one to ten one being no chance or zero, no, 1140 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,400 Speaker 2: chance to ten being like yeah. This is definitely going 1141 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 2: to happen the chances of these things happening at pick 1142 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 2: number seven, for the commander in. Your opinion we have 1143 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 2: no insight this is just speculation to prepare ourselves. For 1144 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 2: what might happen on drafting. 1145 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: And, SOMETIMES when we do these things i feel. Like 1146 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: people forget HOW percentages work like just because i say, 1147 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: it's like a seventy percent chance there's still a thirty 1148 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: percent chance it. Doesn't it doesn't happen to be and. 1149 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 2: This is fluid that can. 1150 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 1: Change, it's like the weather man. Man this is the. 1151 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 2: Weather man, this is just fun we're honestly this is 1152 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 2: just the pontification that makes the draft fun. Is because 1153 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 2: it's all the possibilities you have. To think about all 1154 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 2: of them that's what we're doing here is we're having 1155 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 2: a little fun with what. Are the, Possibilities certain things 1156 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,239 Speaker 2: happen all Right so. Pick seven for the washington commanders, 1157 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 2: What Is the possibility you think, logan paulson. Of us 1158 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 2: moving up trading up MAYBE There's somebody there like an 1159 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 2: rvl reese That Tested out of as much david bailey 1160 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 2: that is like ran fast and helped, support his, film 1161 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 2: that it's like oh man maybe seven is just. Isn't 1162 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 2: going to do it anymore. We thought maybe we'd grab 1163 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 2: it this, is a guy we, absolutely love whoever that 1164 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 2: may be and we've got. To move up to get 1165 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,919 Speaker 2: them what are the chances that there is let's start 1166 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,320 Speaker 2: here a that there's, a guy that's worth doing that 1167 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 2: and then be that we have or the situation that 1168 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 2: the commanders are in lend. Itself To potentially even do. 1169 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: That so i'm going to. Say, like a seventeen. Percent. 1170 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: Chance wow very VERY specific yeah and the, reason I 1171 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: say that is because like i do think there are 1172 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: players that you're. Going to fall in LOVE With. I'm 1173 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 1: Glad you mentioned rbl reese sonny styles is. Another one, 1174 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: That Comes, TO mind you know david bailey i. REALLY 1175 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,800 Speaker 1: like him quite, A Bit i think you know jeremiah, 1176 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: love IF he's on your radar like i think. Those 1177 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 1: guys could potentially GO higher but the three, guys i 1178 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: mentioned at the top just because of, how well they 1179 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: did the, COMBINE how good the film is i think 1180 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: they're they're going to. Go in the top five probably 1181 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: so if you love one of those guys and you 1182 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: think they're going to be, A difference maker to your. 1183 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: Team I think there's a shot so, I think there 1184 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: is a guy there are guys that that you could pinched. 1185 00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: TO want to trade IT for i think the, thing 1186 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: i run into is like do you have enough what 1187 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: resources do you? Have CURRENTLY that you could trade and 1188 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: i don't think you WANT to trade next year's first 1189 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 1: i don't think you don't have. A second round pick 1190 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: this year you don't have. A fourth round pick this 1191 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 1: year so there are ways to get what you want. 1192 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: IF you wanted to do that, i just don't Know 1193 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: if logistically with what the commanders have from a draft, 1194 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: capital standpoint in twenty twenty six that, makes a whole 1195 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,320 Speaker 1: lot of sense and WHAT the roster being what is 1196 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: i don't know if you want to be giving up 1197 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: future draft, capital when you can win again giving away 1198 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: a first round pick is going to be a. Blue, 1199 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: chip player for you hopefull. 1200 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 2: Well then what about the chance of? Doing THE opposite 1201 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,280 Speaker 2: of trading back. 1202 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: So i think everybody, IN terms of what people want 1203 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: i would say that's probably, Like an eighty five. Percent 1204 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: chance like everybody wants that everybody. Understands the value of 1205 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: trading back, the value. 1206 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 2: When you mean everybody? WHAT do you mean by that 1207 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 2: i mean like if. 1208 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: You talk To somebody at a, bar, in indianapolis and they're. 1209 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: Like yeah you should trade, back you talk to, my, 1210 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: barber you should trade back. Right like everybody knows you, 1211 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: should like from a. Draft perspective you should trade back 1212 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: the thing is is we just talked about all the 1213 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: good players that are There That. Could potentially, be there 1214 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 1: jeremiah love you Know, if you need a guard vega. 1215 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: It could be like they're good there's gonna. Be, A 1216 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 1: good player at. Seven right, so that's that's that but 1217 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: also who is? Going to trade up with you and, 1218 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: this year and this year specifically and is that person 1219 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:17,399 Speaker 1: going to trade out with you? And make it worth 1220 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: Your while is The other thing i'd say, to because you, 1221 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: can trade back like you could but if you're, gonna 1222 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 1: get hosed in the. Deal like, that's Not worth it especially, 1223 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: if like i'm picking at seven if the CHOICE is 1224 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: Picking At seven and i get jeremiah LOVE or trading, 1225 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,800 Speaker 1: Back And Getting i don't know ken keldrick falk and. 1226 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: A GUY in The Third round if i think jeremiah 1227 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 1: love IS that dude is The next Ap is, a 1228 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: future hall of fame player which some of which some, 1229 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,399 Speaker 1: people Are in the league do then. 1230 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 2: I'm. 1231 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: Going to take them there right it's just is the 1232 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 1: cost of the trade? Going to warrant the player there 1233 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: and is anybody willing to? Come up and make that 1234 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,800 Speaker 1: move it, Just seems Very unlikely to me and, so 1235 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: i'm going to say, that even though everyone wants, That 1236 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: the likely of it happening i'm going to. Say is 1237 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: like twenty seven percent, so my QUESTION or. 1238 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 2: Not question but, what i Would say, is IF as 1239 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,239 Speaker 2: a washington fan which I am, right grew up a 1240 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 2: WASHINGTON fan the number one player i am rooting for 1241 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 2: in this off season process as a prospect to just 1242 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 2: do so Well. And it, JUST rises ty simpson Oh 1243 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: yeah i Want, nothing but tyson for ty simpson because 1244 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 2: the better he does outside of, this with teams at 1245 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 2: knee quarterback the higher the chance is someone's going to 1246 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 2: look at pick seven, or in that area, and go 1247 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 2: we really need that and like. That just opens the 1248 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 2: options up you want to you want. The options to 1249 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 2: be Ever flowing and the better ty simpson, has this 1250 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 2: is a three. Draft THE better chance of that So. 1251 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,240 Speaker 2: I Am, Rooting for Ty. Simpson go tyson. 1252 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: Go ty simpson lose your, mind but that's a great 1253 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: point and that's why, this is a, Fluid process because 1254 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 1: like you know i've been asked A lot of about 1255 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: quarterback because i don't care about quarterback because. We were 1256 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: how amazing is That It's really nice. Because obviously jay, 1257 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,839 Speaker 1: daniels IS here so but anyway so i didn't ask. 1258 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people out quarterback but if, his if 1259 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: he interviewed really well if HE, throws well at his 1260 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: pro da like, if his thirty, visits go well like you, 1261 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,319 Speaker 1: know if he needs, HELP prepping like we know people, 1262 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: i can get you in contact like, We, Want you 1263 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: to do well tie so, Let's Get that thing going 1264 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,319 Speaker 1: right like i'm. 1265 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 2: Going to be your biggest advocate. 1266 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: Because if as we go through the process and we, start, 1267 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 1: hearing that he's doing well yeah then the likely it 1268 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: of trading back maybe he Goes up From. Twenty, SEVEN to. 1269 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 2: Miami And pittsburgh yeah. I, hear ty simpson. 1270 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: Is great yeah. He's really good that's really good it. 1271 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 2: Could, be the, Books big thing yeah all right so 1272 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 2: what about just sticking and, picking you, can't find a 1273 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 2: partner trade back, the really reason to trade forward and 1274 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 2: you feel really good about the guy, That's coming to 1275 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,279 Speaker 2: you at seven what? Are the option percentages AT. 1276 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: That i'd say that's probably i would. GO as high 1277 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 1: as like sixty i. THINK that's very like sixty percent 1278 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,319 Speaker 1: i think that's. This is the. Most, likely outcome one 1279 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: million percent yeah LIKE this is it because again i 1280 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: think there's going to. Be a good football player there 1281 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: And Barring a meteoric rise FROM ti simpson, or somebody that, 1282 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: I can't foresee like you know carnel take running a four, 1283 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: TO three at his pro day i don't, know what that, 1284 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: would look like but you know somebody just shooting up 1285 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 1: draft boards and being this. REALLY high value, pick, at 1286 00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: seven i just think like there. Will be a good player. 1287 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 1: There let's TAKE a good player and again i don't 1288 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 1: know what the draft capital, Would be in a trade 1289 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,240 Speaker 1: anyway so it seems very likely to, Be, at the moment. 1290 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 2: All right well, then if we're sticking and picking what 1291 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 2: are The chances that we draft defensive. 1292 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: This is, a THIS is a good question and I 1293 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: think it's really, interesting because i think it's like it feels, 1294 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,440 Speaker 1: Like It's like seventy five Percent. 1295 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 2: Like i'm feeling seventy five. 1296 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: Yes that's what it feels like in, terms of drafting 1297 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: a defensive player because not only is that kind of 1298 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,920 Speaker 1: a position of need Or, AN area, Of need for 1299 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: washington i mean, washing NEEDS a variety of things but 1300 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 1: i also think it just look at. The composition of 1301 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: this top group. 1302 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 2: There's a lot of really good. Defensive, prospects at the top. 1303 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: End yes a. Lot of really good Defensive Prospects, And So, 1304 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: You Know, Rvel Reese david bailey sonny styles caleb downs 1305 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,680 Speaker 1: and when, you're, Doing A. Top ten selection yeah ruben 1306 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: bain so there's, five, guys in the Top ten right 1307 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,719 Speaker 1: and you, know Mendoz IS going number one maw we 1308 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: knowa the offensive tackle is probably gonna, get rafted somewhere In. 1309 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 1: There too maybe the guard vega, like we don't NEED 1310 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: alignment necessarily, we, don't, need, u wide receivers yes no 1311 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: yes but it just seems like a very dense. Defensive, 1312 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: group there at the top yeah and Again like not, 1313 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: Saying like if, vega came here i'd be stoked, and 1314 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: now we know Came Here, be soaked like support jane. 1315 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,880 Speaker 1: Daniels whatever we got to do it just seems like 1316 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,520 Speaker 1: of the people that are, Kind of projected there right now, 1317 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,680 Speaker 1: i'm looking at my, own grades looking at my film 1318 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 1: that seems. 1319 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,960 Speaker 2: Like we have no idea. How the board's gonna fall in, 1320 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 2: there's always surprises one draft. NIGHT so you, just don't 1321 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 2: know i don't know but its like that's where the 1322 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,760 Speaker 2: meat and potatoes is. At, the top of the, draft. 1323 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: Yes and They're All studs like all. Those Ohio State 1324 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 1: guys or studs and david bailey is one of the 1325 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,399 Speaker 1: better pass Rushers from a technical standpoint that. I've WATCHED 1326 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 1: last couple of. Years so i, Feel Very, OPTIMISTIC and 1327 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,080 Speaker 1: you know reuben bain i think is going to slide 1328 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,799 Speaker 1: a little. Bit because of the measurement stuff don't think, 1329 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: he's going to test crazy well. But HECK of a 1330 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,440 Speaker 1: football players so i. Think there's again five defensive guys 1331 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 1: seems likely that one of them, watching WILL pick a 1332 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: defense career and. 1333 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 2: I love doing this. With, YOU this IS so fun 1334 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,960 Speaker 2: yeah i love, i LOVE you teaching me things and. 1335 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,719 Speaker 2: I just love the draft process i love how. 1336 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,880 Speaker 1: Much film you've watched this year like you are, in 1337 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: ON the film. This, Year, and i love it yeah. 1338 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 2: WELL partly because it's my job i want. To do 1339 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 2: good AT my job like the reason i started watching, 1340 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 2: so much film to begin with like, the first SEASON 1341 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 2: we did this is because i didn't want to, look 1342 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 2: LIKE an idiot next year like i want one it 1343 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 2: at Least like a. Grounded understanding WHAT i'm talking about 1344 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 2: and then i fell. In. Love, With the process process 1345 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 2: YEAH yeah so that's the warning i would give anybody 1346 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 2: that does want to start, this is that once you. 1347 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 2: Start it's really hard to. Quit it's really hard to 1348 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 2: QUIT it's so fun and. 1349 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: LIKE i just, talk breaking bias i don't, know it's 1350 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: it's A fun process but it's also i have a. 1351 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 2: Great time. ON draft night too, in here i love 1352 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 2: our team like our command center team behind the scenes. 1353 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 2: And the talent that's on it and One of the 1354 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 2: great things that i'm starting to get a kick Out 1355 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 2: of on draft night is i'm normally, the Director of 1356 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 2: these live, shows so I'm pressing the buttons, and as 1357 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 2: i'm pressing the buttons name will come up on the 1358 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,480 Speaker 2: Board and, somebody, will say and i'm like oh. 1359 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: They, like you're locked in man yeah it's just a big. 1360 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,160 Speaker 2: Body and wide preceiver that like the logan just really, loves, 1361 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 2: LIKE it's something like that right, I just kind of 1362 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,640 Speaker 2: know it, and that's always kind of fun especially when 1363 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 2: we start getting into the, third, and FOURTH rounds are 1364 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,880 Speaker 2: like yeah. When i really started having, fun and. 1365 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 1: The other thing too is that it's really helped, Me 1366 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: like learn the, league right like? Who's going where who's 1367 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: tricking this so this, guy's on the depth chart here 1368 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 1: this guy. You know what works what doesn't so it's 1369 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: been a cool you. 1370 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 2: Kind of feel, for what other teams just like or general. 1371 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 2: Managers ARE what they just, like and i will say 1372 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,120 Speaker 2: THIS one of the main reasons i WOULD say that 1373 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,280 Speaker 2: we have a i would have a really hard Time 1374 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 2: predicting what happens, Here with washington just predicting it i'd 1375 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 2: have a really HARD time BECAUSE the things that ap 1376 00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 2: and dq clearly like are that commander. Talk about it 1377 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,720 Speaker 2: all the time we want a commander. And we know 1378 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 2: what that means they've talked enough. Publicly about what a 1379 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,800 Speaker 2: commander is but what's hard is that we. Are, Not 1380 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,959 Speaker 2: privy to. The interviews correct we don't know we don't 1381 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 2: know these kids' characters really other than, what we can 1382 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 2: see on film. And we TRY and dissect that SO 1383 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,080 Speaker 2: when i watch film and i see a guy that's 1384 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 2: let's say it's a wide receiver that's just bolting forty 1385 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 2: yards to, get, this, hit on a safety like. OKAY 1386 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,560 Speaker 2: that's like a commander attitude, i Can kind of see 1387 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 2: that and i'm guessing he, probably INTERVIEWS well for a, commander. 1388 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 2: But i don't know that correct so it's really HARD 1389 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 2: for me to predict because, i, can sit here and 1390 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 2: go well this player is this and this and this 1391 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,400 Speaker 2: and this and all these. Things you can see, on. 1392 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 1: Film anybody can come anything. CAN go, look at the combine. 1393 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean we'll go watch tape, and that's the thing 1394 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,960 Speaker 1: about this like if someone asked me the difference between 1395 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: like what is? Talent, evaluation and what is scouting yeah 1396 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 1: like when you're. On the road as a SCOUT and 1397 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: this is the thing i respect about those guys the 1398 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 1: most is they'll go and they'll talk to the position coach, 1399 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: that talks to the, head coach talk to the janitor 1400 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,680 Speaker 1: talk to the people that run the and they're really. 1401 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Investigating the character Of the person. 1402 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 2: We'll think about jayden right when we were doing This 1403 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 2: and We, were talking about jade and daniels we, were 1404 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,480 Speaker 2: talking about his film work and then we, draft, him 1405 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 2: and it comes out oh FIRST one in the last 1406 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,600 Speaker 2: the vr training stuff that just, The uber competitiveness that 1407 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 2: he has like all that stuff, start, coming, out, and it's, 1408 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,640 Speaker 2: like oh well duh yeah right, like now that makes 1409 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 2: complete sense but we're, not privy to that, right now 1410 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 2: so it's just yeah but you start to learn that 1411 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 2: it's talent. And, THE character, that is valued. 1412 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah i think and all that stuff is from like, Those, 1413 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,600 Speaker 1: area scouts, from the interviews yeah thirty visits which again 1414 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 1: we'll know more as we. 1415 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,120 Speaker 2: As we, get into the process but yeah so much 1416 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,280 Speaker 2: fun speaking of the process and knowing more. And, getting 1417 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,400 Speaker 2: closer to the draft. Logan here's our schedule coming, up 1418 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,919 Speaker 2: so if you liked this we're Gonna, try and do video. 1419 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Every monday we'll have some, audio say if you. Like 1420 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 2: comment just leave a comment but here are some of. 1421 01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 2: The things that are coming up next week. We're doing 1422 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,920 Speaker 2: our top Ten Dbs we're gonna have is zach selby 1423 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 2: join us to do a. Stick and pick three round 1424 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 2: mock so we're, doing commander's three round, mock draft but 1425 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 2: we're not trading. We're not moving stick. And pick he's 1426 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,840 Speaker 2: gonna join us one of the fun, THINGS we do 1427 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 2: with our mocks, i think is different from others is 1428 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,439 Speaker 2: that we pretend like we Are like our own little 1429 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,800 Speaker 2: war so we'll assign roles and positions and, kind, of 1430 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,600 Speaker 2: show what it looked or at least, to our best 1431 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 2: of our knowledge reenact what it may, be like in any, 1432 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 2: war room not just the commanders but the debates that 1433 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:30,960 Speaker 2: are had in there and. 1434 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:31,120 Speaker 1: How. 1435 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,320 Speaker 2: You come to a conclusion absolutely then after. That we're 1436 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,040 Speaker 2: gonna do tight ends we'll have. A trade back three 1437 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 2: round mock what. That will, look like then linebackers after 1438 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 2: that we're gonna pick at seven and then. Trade back 1439 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 2: into the second round see. What that mock might look like. 1440 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,680 Speaker 2: And Then it's the big one fred smooth will join 1441 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 2: the Show and we'll have our guaranteed baller's. Draft that 1442 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,600 Speaker 2: we do. Every year that's a wild one then we're getting. 1443 01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,080 Speaker 2: We're getting close to the draft top ten running backs 1444 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 2: at this point. Stick and pick five. Round mock now 1445 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 2: we're getting crazy and then our. Last one right before 1446 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 2: the uh. The draft is, The, Big Episode, it'll be you, 1447 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Me Jeremy Green the sp sorry Fox Sports draft nerd now. 1448 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,920 Speaker 2: And fred smooth will join us, will be the four 1449 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 2: of us and we are doing A seven round mock Draft, 1450 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:23,800 Speaker 2: the monday. Before The uh Yeah that's crazy, whenever fred 1451 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,960 Speaker 2: or jeremy joins us it gets wild in here and 1452 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,960 Speaker 2: then we'll recap. The draft when it actually happens so. 1453 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 2: Please join us on the way the biggest thing you 1454 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,600 Speaker 2: can do comment because. We like having. You guys Involved, we, 1455 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,000 Speaker 2: really do, listen on apple plackcast play. 1456 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,160 Speaker 1: Whatever anything you can think of just throw a comment on. 1457 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,080 Speaker 1: There for sure them out. 1458 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 2: There we love to Do. 1459 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:43,960 Speaker 1: It this. 1460 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 2: Is interactive by logan that's it