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Speaker 1: welcome to Horrible Decisions. We have to start this way
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Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: Thirty in the morning, but you thought that you was
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Speaker 3: Y'all, welcome to another episode of Horrible Decisions.
Speaker 1: I'm your girl, Mady b.
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Speaker 3: We are so hyped to this episode.
Speaker 4: And all right, As each year of Horrible goes on,
Speaker 4: the guests get even better, but also we get with
Speaker 4: city girls, and for us today it's today.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hold you to you being here ages
Speaker 1: us only because we have literally wanted to this year. Specifically,
Speaker 1: we've had so many great horn legends sit with us,
Speaker 1: and I think that's when we also identify our own audience.
Speaker 1: We'd be like, damn these niggas are and oh yeah, plus,
Speaker 1: we ain't got no your nigs.
Speaker 4: They'd be like, oh my god, this is my They
Speaker 4: start putting in the request they see Havanna.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get icele fuck, get Jada, get matter what,
Speaker 1: get mister Marcus, I can't even believe you it did.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. When she said I'm working on
Speaker 1: mister Marcus, I was like, and what holdo? How are
Speaker 1: you working all him? How did you do I have
Speaker 1: to do to was? So I just want to share
Speaker 1: with the audience how funny this was. And then I
Speaker 1: need to know what research you did to make you
Speaker 1: think that what we was gonna do.
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me just ask this. When I hit
Speaker 4: you and I was like, hey, love to have you
Speaker 4: on horrible. You rode back and We're like, can you
Speaker 4: explain to me? And I was like, oh you niggas corn?
Speaker 1: Did you did you know? No?
Speaker 5: No, I mean I was peeping game because I don't
Speaker 5: know what you know, what with what people are trying.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been around a long time, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the early nineties.
Speaker 5: So I've watched some things get established and see agendas
Speaker 5: and I see different subjects, and I've also seen porn
Speaker 5: become a lot more mainstream and accepted, and podcasting has
Speaker 5: been a wave where a lot of adult stars have
Speaker 5: went further more notoriety, more build a better, bigger audience.
Speaker 1: One. Yeah, I mean I think I think that's the
Speaker 1: other thing too, because it's not as taboo. They're shooting,
Speaker 1: they're filming. I know that we talked about. Even Adam
Speaker 1: and Lena they sit with porn stars and then they
Speaker 1: do a scene right after so and it's just you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, No, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, but yeah, that's that, that's where it's at.
Speaker 1: You know when you were.
Speaker 4: Coming up though, like it's crazy because I didn't realize
Speaker 4: your crossover. I think because in my brain I only
Speaker 4: watched Blackborns, so I always felt like, mister Marcus is
Speaker 4: like our secrets, right. And then when I was thinking
Speaker 4: about your book, because I kind of forgot about it.
Speaker 4: I'm working on you know what questions to ask you
Speaker 4: and last night my way for the sitting there and he.
Speaker 3: Goes, didn't I they write it like a guide.
Speaker 1: You wrote a book.
Speaker 4: And that's when I realized, like, oh, that is bigger
Speaker 4: than just blackcorn, Like you really did cross over to me.
Speaker 3: Jason Love is one of those who crossed over.
Speaker 1: And but your your book. I wanted going from being
Speaker 1: on set right scenes fucking what made you say next
Speaker 1: step is I'm going to write a book.
Speaker 2: I'm a reader. I love you know, you know, I
Speaker 2: grew up my mother newspapers.
Speaker 5: I was delivering newspapers, so I would sit there and
Speaker 5: just you know, I'd be at home just reading every
Speaker 5: single page.
Speaker 2: And so I'm a reader. I like to So when
Speaker 2: I would go to the bookstore, you know, i'd go
Speaker 2: to the.
Speaker 5: Self help and sexual sexual health, sexual enjoyment area, and
Speaker 5: it wouldn't it be these books written by doctors about sex,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I just thought it was a good, cool take.
Speaker 5: Just I always wrote notes, and I've always kind of
Speaker 5: documented my my history in this industry, just you know,
Speaker 5: little notes here and there. Right, I was always writing
Speaker 5: little things about this perspective in the industry. So it
Speaker 5: really came out of that. You know, somebody was like,
Speaker 5: you know, just put it into a book. So we
Speaker 5: just kind of started putting all these little antidotes and quotes.
Speaker 1: And how long did it take you to me?
Speaker 2: About two years?
Speaker 3: Wow, we're working on a book right now and we
Speaker 3: got a deadline.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would write. I would drive around
Speaker 5: with a voicemail mode. This is before I used to
Speaker 5: you know, do it on the phone. But I would
Speaker 5: drive around little voicemail mode just kind of voicing out,
Speaker 5: talking it out.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, it's probably because the era in which
Speaker 4: you wrote a book, the way that stuff has changed.
Speaker 4: But that's really like what I wanted to talk about
Speaker 4: with you, because when I clicked on you and I
Speaker 4: saw wikipedia birth date and how movies?
Speaker 3: Did you know your Beyonce's birthday?
Speaker 2: Not? Of course?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 4: Wait, of course you know you share Beyonce's birthday because
Speaker 4: of your birthday, age, old birthday.
Speaker 1: My birthday. I was right, I'll be looking at my
Speaker 1: feet and it's all Beyonce.
Speaker 2: I rely hey, he.
Speaker 1: Said, like, hey, no one, no one recognizes me on
Speaker 1: my birthday.
Speaker 2: Got it from now?
Speaker 3: It's tomorrow now.
Speaker 1: One of the things that was the most shocking, and
Speaker 1: we kind of had to confirm it before you even
Speaker 1: sat with us, for anyone listening who may not have
Speaker 1: ever seen, mister Marcus.
Speaker 3: Did you really do eighteen hundred films?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it flew.
Speaker 1: Wait, so from ninety four to what year?
Speaker 2: Did you start about two thousand and ten eleven?
Speaker 1: That's still too much. That's still eighteen hundred and is
Speaker 1: there even eighteen hundred days between that? Here's the real
Speaker 1: question with you.
Speaker 4: Fucking every day, and I feel like I'm almost jumping past,
Speaker 4: but I really need to know. Has there ever been
Speaker 4: a point where the sex was so much that you
Speaker 4: had to like have a little period of celibacy.
Speaker 5: Even m I mean because I always tell people, you know,
Speaker 5: bad sex is worse than no sex.
Speaker 3: Ooh we know that whenever we was getting dicklas.
Speaker 1: And that was the thing, even in celibacy or taking spouts,
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted was.
Speaker 3: To break it with bad dick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, But what is bad sex to you?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Because out of all those eighteen hundred films, there's no
Speaker 1: way it was enjoyable every time. So what is bad
Speaker 1: sex to you?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: I mean, bad sex is no chemistry? Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: you don't feel you know, wasted time. You feel like
Speaker 5: you feel like it done something better with your time.
Speaker 5: Oh you know, there's no reciprocation, you don't feel like
Speaker 5: you know that it's just gave and you received.
Speaker 3: Then are you having good sex imporn?
Speaker 2: You can? You know you can because you have.
Speaker 4: A style of fucking. It to me seems like a performance.
Speaker 4: So when watching it, I'm like, oh shit, but are
Speaker 4: you is it natural?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Are you in it? Can you forget the cameras.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's what you want. That's what you want. Ah,
Speaker 5: you want to just kind of lose yourself.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing a sex club. I told you
Speaker 1: got to lose yourself in a sex club so that
Speaker 1: people can watch you so you can enjoy it. Okay, man,
Speaker 1: you just gotta lose yourself. So so then when it's good,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you decipher whether this is
Speaker 1: just gonna stay business or does it ever leave the
Speaker 1: set when it's good? Because once I get a good dick,
Speaker 1: I want it forever. Do you ever get good Kuchie?
Speaker 1: Or have you gotten it to where on set it
Speaker 1: was so good that you were like try.
Speaker 2: To you know, you were going out after this?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I would even be in the middle of the scene.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, this is mine? Right?
Speaker 1: Wait what you meant it? I would mean it just
Speaker 1: to get it confirmed. But you know, who are those
Speaker 1: stars for you that we may know?
Speaker 3: They got that? Who got that good?
Speaker 2: Puss?
Speaker 1: Who got it?
Speaker 5: Who had that good? I mean you said you had
Speaker 5: a ban on a while ago. You know Van is awesome?
Speaker 1: You know that's right?
Speaker 2: Heathern Hunter.
Speaker 5: Okay, she's all right, icon man, iconic, you know, beyond
Speaker 5: the sex. I mean, it's just that's just a fraction
Speaker 5: of who she is. There was a girl I was
Speaker 5: I was into. She was European, Sylvia, Saint Sylvia sat. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 1: We don't look at me, like, don't white girl, you
Speaker 1: already don't you don't she was Doe but Europeans.
Speaker 3: What part of she was?
Speaker 2: Check? Check Republicans?
Speaker 4: So wait, you said Heather Hunter, everything about like beyond
Speaker 4: the sex. What does that mean for a man when
Speaker 4: they're thinking that good that you could have good sex
Speaker 4: or good beyond the sex?
Speaker 1: What is I mean?
Speaker 5: Because we would kick it beyond you know, we were like,
Speaker 5: I don't know what it was, but we just like
Speaker 5: we met, We just clicked, you know, we were hanging
Speaker 5: out in Venice, and then when we did the scene,
Speaker 5: it wasn't like it was work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It was more like just us doing our thing. The
Speaker 5: chemistry was there. She was on the contract with Vivid
Speaker 5: at the time, so she had older right than you.
Speaker 1: Okay, in my head, other Hunter is like a fourn
Speaker 1: decade back.
Speaker 3: But maybe because she didn't make it into two thousands
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 2: Oh no, she didn't, she didn't push.
Speaker 4: Okay, So when it comes to that era of porn
Speaker 4: for you, how what were some changes you saw from
Speaker 4: like nineties to two thousands, like describe your first shoot
Speaker 4: to the last?
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, right?
Speaker 5: I mean the first I mean, I think the big
Speaker 5: change was social media Internet.
Speaker 2: You know. When I came in, we.
Speaker 5: Were VHS you know what I mean, it was VHS
Speaker 5: and magazine and so.
Speaker 1: You were only then even available or known to people
Speaker 1: who went to those stories, right, so you were you
Speaker 1: didn't feel like you were known.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't even. I wasn't. There wasn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't even want to use the word porn star.
Speaker 5: I tell people all the time, just I didn't even.
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, I'm not a porn star.
Speaker 1: You know, wait, what did you want to be called them?
Speaker 5: I was just I was just making movies, you feel me, doctor, Hollywood.
Speaker 5: I was saying that serious. I was like, you know,
Speaker 5: I was trying to read my lines. I was trying
Speaker 5: to make the sex real, you know, genuine.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, there wasn't No. I wasn't faking it.
Speaker 5: I didn't take no, I wasn't taking bag run And
Speaker 5: there was no sign cialis.
Speaker 2: It was none of that.
Speaker 5: If you didn't get your dig hard, you know, the
Speaker 5: crew would literally turn off the lights and wait till
Speaker 5: you did.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know. So that's that's the air that I you know, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't even think that today. Oh no, no, no, I actually
Speaker 1: was talking to someone. They shoot niggas in their dick now,
Speaker 1: like not with a gun, but like there's a needle
Speaker 1: that I hear shoots Like they shoot up in their
Speaker 1: dick and it keeps them hard for hours where it kind.
Speaker 3: Of hurts them.
Speaker 1: But go to the hospital sometimes literally sometimes like and
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, you put needles in your dick
Speaker 1: and they're like yeah, because maybe because everything is so
Speaker 1: internet wise, niggas ain't waiting for your dick to get hard,
Speaker 1: and it has to be hard otherwise the set doesn't work.
Speaker 1: And there's so many people on set now they're like, nope,
Speaker 1: this is the shoot. They're your dick is gonna work.
Speaker 1: Have you pumped?
Speaker 3: Liked the pumps? And only he get like, uh, what's
Speaker 3: the movie?
Speaker 1: Awesome?
Speaker 3: Powers?
Speaker 1: Was that the thing?
Speaker 3: Did you ever use the pump?
Speaker 5: I have never used the pump. I actually have one
Speaker 5: on the on the on the ship. You know, I had,
Speaker 5: they had Doc Johnson. I got a deal it out
Speaker 5: with them, but we put out a pump, so I
Speaker 5: tried using it.
Speaker 2: And didn't work.
Speaker 1: I guess it's fine to say now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know it may work for people. I mean, listen,
Speaker 5: I'm not knocking. That's what it tastes from.
Speaker 4: Yead't get hard with no confidence is a different thing, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like today it's aesthetic and it's how your
Speaker 4: dick looks to me in your era, much like that
Speaker 4: when we had nat here too, it was about how
Speaker 4: you were fucking like I remember that even I always
Speaker 4: was thinking about you as I was like mister Mark's
Speaker 4: kind of fuck from the side, like he was always doing.
Speaker 1: Some crazy shit.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I think, uh, I think it's
Speaker 5: probably easier now. I mean, because the whole thing is
Speaker 5: you want to be comfortable. So if you create that
Speaker 5: environment for it, then it's probably a lot easier for
Speaker 5: you to perform in it because you got more control
Speaker 5: over it, you know what I mean. I was trying
Speaker 5: to I wasn't. I was, you know, each set that
Speaker 5: I would show up on, I was like, it was like,
Speaker 5: you know, is it gonna work? Is it gonna be
Speaker 5: comfortable enough? It's a girl gonna we're gonna have chemistry.
Speaker 5: It's the camera, you know, gonna get in the way,
Speaker 5: is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I would direct sometimes depending on what they wanted. You know,
Speaker 5: each scene for me was just like, Okay, what's it
Speaker 5: gonna take.
Speaker 2: To do this?
Speaker 1: So I love scenes as in I love acting and
Speaker 1: I love that you say you were just trying to
Speaker 1: remember your life. What is your favorite scenario or scene
Speaker 1: that you played out?
Speaker 5: Favorite scenario is always like a dominant submissive thing. Okay,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like put me on. What
Speaker 5: is teacher you talking about the other day? Well, you
Speaker 5: know the girls, she's she's her boyfriend, her husband owes
Speaker 5: me money.
Speaker 1: I love them, yea, what is all? My god?
Speaker 3: And now she has to fucking fuck you to pay.
Speaker 5: Off your day that she kind of don't want to,
Speaker 5: but she kind of wants to.
Speaker 3: And he's on the set watching you.
Speaker 1: That's not you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: He kind of he sends her over there and she's
Speaker 5: like she shows up like, yeah, I gotta you know,
Speaker 5: my dude sucked up.
Speaker 2: I know we owe you, but I want to handle it.
Speaker 2: I want to take care of.
Speaker 1: I love you, Remember I don't.
Speaker 4: I love it, but see, honestly, when things are consensual,
Speaker 4: I hate that. That's true. But like I'll start doing
Speaker 4: it in my own house. Last night I forgot. I
Speaker 4: don't want to eat meat right now, just fish. I
Speaker 4: made chicken.
Speaker 3: He's like, I thought you was begging Sam, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: I know I have to make it up to you.
Speaker 1: I've been so bad.
Speaker 3: He's like, Bitch, I'm hungry. I won't fitch, but I.
Speaker 4: Feel like when you have a true sub and you
Speaker 4: you can't help it, it's everything Like I want to
Speaker 4: fuck up all things so I can get honey.
Speaker 1: Oh my good.
Speaker 4: Speaking of witch, Witch, we had Joanna Angeline a few
Speaker 4: months back and she talked about that hardcore BDSM stuff.
Speaker 4: Was there ever stuff? Because I never really seen you
Speaker 4: in that, oh like hard what's some of your most
Speaker 4: hardcore rough scenes?
Speaker 5: I did a movie called rough Sex, and that came
Speaker 5: out maybe ninety ninety nine, but it was it was
Speaker 5: like ahead of the curve and it was you know,
Speaker 5: it's me and like three girls or four girls.
Speaker 2: They all had to be like submissive, and I just had.
Speaker 5: To dominate the funk out and so it was cool
Speaker 5: because it got it got you know, as a black man,
Speaker 5: and there were like four white girls.
Speaker 2: Oh that in that time, you know what year was,
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: Like ninety seven ninety eight. Wow, And it wasn't that.
Speaker 5: You know, there was people that was like a little backlash,
Speaker 5: you know, you.
Speaker 3: Got a backlash for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they supposedly took it off the shelves
Speaker 5: because it was just kind of like it was a
Speaker 5: little too much because I kind.
Speaker 1: Of went, but is it because it was too like
Speaker 1: I was maybe, but it was more so though because
Speaker 1: it was into racing. Were you hitting them?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but you know, I like the smack ass.
Speaker 5: That's just something I.
Speaker 1: Think every man would have dick.
Speaker 3: I pulsed. Even my game friends like.
Speaker 5: You like that, you know you want to hit it.
Speaker 3: It took us all. Wow, by the way, she's a
Speaker 3: little gay. Look the way who just hit your hands?
Speaker 1: Sir? No?
Speaker 4: Okay, that just that smack right. I read like some
Speaker 4: of the chapters in your book, What Women Want? Would
Speaker 4: you say, because I want to talk about how.
Speaker 3: The men can be too rough today?
Speaker 1: Would you say, though.
Speaker 4: Percent of most women want to be dominated. What have
Speaker 4: you learned in your time?
Speaker 5: If they if they trust you, if you know what
Speaker 5: you're doing, then the most likely they'll follow your lead.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: If you're confident in what you're doing, you know what
Speaker 5: you're doing. So I said, there's a majority women just
Speaker 5: want to be in good hands, you know what I mean, Ballad.
Speaker 4: Have you had moments where women are asking you for
Speaker 4: something that's a little too much? Like a friend of
Speaker 4: mine told me he doesn't like to close fists, but
Speaker 4: some girls.
Speaker 1: Literally I don't want nobody wait punching, that's that's not mo. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I had a I was fucking this one girl, o Nique,
Speaker 5: that's her name. I love Monique and we used to
Speaker 5: always have great time. And then just one you know,
Speaker 5: she's on the I'm on the edge, She's on the
Speaker 5: edge of the bed and I'm standing above her and
Speaker 5: I'm sucking her and she just hold off and hit me.
Speaker 1: Hit you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she just closed her open hand. I think it
Speaker 5: was open hand, and I was like, what the you do?
Speaker 5: I stopped and everybody, like the camera guy was like, sorry,
Speaker 5: she was in it, oh she was. I was like,
Speaker 5: I had to take a moment I had to walk
Speaker 5: off the cell, like you know you doing Wait a second,
Speaker 5: how how then so that happened? You say, you have
Speaker 5: to walk off set? How do you get back in?
Speaker 5: I actually walked outside. I walked outside and the director,
Speaker 5: she came out as a female director too, because I
Speaker 5: guess she was. She was all into it. You're like,
Speaker 5: oh that was.
Speaker 1: That was good?
Speaker 2: You're good.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, just give give and we ended
Speaker 5: finished up to say she apologized and everything.
Speaker 2: But it caught me off.
Speaker 1: God. So then, I know, for for women especially going in,
Speaker 1: well there was normally talks about boundaries.
Speaker 2: Well now, I mean now way more.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't a conversation then. But was there ever
Speaker 1: boundaries that you said, I mean, you know, or were
Speaker 1: you allowed to? Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, I mean that's the whole point. The whole thing was.
Speaker 5: You know, porn was evolving. You know, we were getting
Speaker 5: you know, companies were becoming more corporate.
Speaker 2: The Internet was changing things. Internet companies were coming in.
Speaker 5: They had a whole different way of how they shot porn,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, they didn't need to they
Speaker 5: weren't letting performance perform. They usually had it all structured
Speaker 5: and timed and then Vanna kind.
Speaker 4: Of said something like that about performing, like she kept
Speaker 4: saying that word. I think about how like the stars
Speaker 4: porn stars, like I was working, and I can see
Speaker 4: what you mean, like how they've got things structured.
Speaker 1: Out to its way more struss elms.
Speaker 3: Did you have a day off?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we get into eighteen hundred films.
Speaker 4: How do you get because who are the most famous
Speaker 4: Let's just think famous corn stars period.
Speaker 1: Male. If there's a top five, who is oh name,
Speaker 1: I say, you're in there for sure?
Speaker 3: Who's that white, old white guy?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing. He's not old.
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait Ron Jeremy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Ron Ron was around in the early
Speaker 5: seventies and and he was, you know, still performing in
Speaker 5: the nineties.
Speaker 3: That's the casting couch guy, right, No, he's the guy
Speaker 3: that's in jail.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, I'm just thinking of someone with a
Speaker 1: gun in my head? Was like name five mail for right?
Speaker 5: No, I was, I would say Lexington Still, yes, okay,
Speaker 5: he's definitely you three more. You know, I'm a you know,
Speaker 5: a mentor to me with Shawn Michaels. Okay, you know
Speaker 5: who that is. He's he was around in the late eighties,
Speaker 5: early nineties. But he still kind of performs so almost Wow,
Speaker 5: forty years later, you're still going, yeah, yeah, Sewan Sean's
Speaker 5: a legend.
Speaker 2: He's a legend. You know porn. You know Sean Sewn, Michaels,
Speaker 2: Peter North was, Oh, I know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was, you know, another guy ran
Speaker 5: the eighties, I mean eighties, nineties.
Speaker 2: I mean now you know, now you got a lot
Speaker 2: of guys Maxwell, Isaiah Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Didn't he win?
Speaker 2: He won? Yeah? Yeah, And you know, and then you
Speaker 2: mentioned Jason Love earlier.
Speaker 5: You know, he's the guy that's really ah been able
Speaker 5: to take social media and shape it. Yeah, before a
Speaker 5: lot of adult stars couldn't do that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, they weren't. It wasn't mainstream. I think I
Speaker 5: think it's just you know, now, with podcasts and the
Speaker 5: way that social media works, things come in little snippetsy.
Speaker 2: I watch you know, I watched it.
Speaker 3: You wait, you watch porn?
Speaker 2: I like? I like I like watching. If I come
Speaker 2: across it, yeah, I watch, you like.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 1: Can you watch your own films?
Speaker 5: Every once in a long blue moon, if I come
Speaker 5: across some people send me ship all the time, So
Speaker 5: I had to like stop, I had to take my tag.
Speaker 2: You know, you couldn't tag me and ship because people
Speaker 2: would tag me like crazy and like I.
Speaker 1: Need a break.
Speaker 3: So what kind of who are your favorite porn stars
Speaker 3: that are kind of new like today?
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I love Kazumi because I've I've
Speaker 2: known her before.
Speaker 1: She you know, she is such a sweetie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just she's good people.
Speaker 3: She gives me that haavana and she's very girl.
Speaker 5: Honest, she's been you know, she's another one too social
Speaker 5: media and just kind of like you know, she'd showed
Speaker 5: when she went surgeries. You know, she when she had
Speaker 5: good times and she's bad times, she includes the fans
Speaker 5: and her ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I love about her. I think
Speaker 1: she genuinely is excited and loves sex and loves what
Speaker 1: she does. I think for even growing up right, And
Speaker 1: I want to ask you as well, your family finding
Speaker 1: out Back in the nineties early two thousands, sex work,
Speaker 1: stripping doing doing any type of sex work was shunned.
Speaker 1: It was looked down upon, or people assumed that women
Speaker 1: were doing it because of trauma or because something happened
Speaker 1: to or this was the last resort I.
Speaker 3: Was thinking the office, I was really hearing if you
Speaker 3: was a man, because that yeah, as a man, what
Speaker 3: was that like for you and getting in and how
Speaker 3: your family viewed it?
Speaker 2: Mmm? My family? You know, my family they don't ever
Speaker 2: like you know, it's weird.
Speaker 3: Okay, what are they like? Are they like churchy? Are
Speaker 3: they Caribbean?
Speaker 5: My mom is probably real churchy? But my mom was
Speaker 5: you know, I hate me saying this, but my mom
Speaker 5: was a woman like who seemed to be very sexual,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like you know, yeah, because
Speaker 5: I came across these polaroids of her and she was
Speaker 5: in lingerie or whatever, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like figuring out, parents are humans, right? I know, clearly
Speaker 1: you had to have sex for me to be here,
Speaker 1: but I don't even want to think about.
Speaker 2: It, right.
Speaker 5: It was like okay, all right, so yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: and so that's where I get it from, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, like wholereditary.
Speaker 2: Kind of you know for me, you know, but I
Speaker 2: think I was always kind of sexual.
Speaker 5: I was always attracting sexual energy when I was even
Speaker 5: when I was younger. So I was just I don't know,
Speaker 5: when I discovered the adult business, I kind of just
Speaker 5: went off that was like this is in ninety three.
Speaker 2: You got me. It was like there wasn't you couldn't
Speaker 2: tell your friends, hey, you see this new video. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like that. It was something very personal, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And it was for me. It was
Speaker 2: more like I wanted to explore that. I wanted to
Speaker 2: see what that was about.
Speaker 3: What was the first piece? Like was it stripping? Was
Speaker 3: it pictures?
Speaker 2: M the first It was two things. One I was
Speaker 2: dancing to come and talk to me the remix.
Speaker 1: And talk to me. I really wanted. I liked, you
Speaker 1: really want to know you man?
Speaker 5: You danced that I danced in a private setting or
Speaker 5: it was like we were at it was a contest
Speaker 5: and we went to this club. Me and my homeway
Speaker 5: went to this club and it was like a contest
Speaker 5: of like a talent contest. And I love that song
Speaker 5: and I used to always want to dance to that,
Speaker 5: so I would over and I just started dancing to
Speaker 5: it on stage and all the girls can run into
Speaker 5: the stage.
Speaker 1: And and I won. So my voice were like you
Speaker 1: do you know? They were all like you know, like
Speaker 1: they swarm me oufterwards and the girls and they were
Speaker 1: like cooling, do that again, did you always have this build?
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I mean I've been I like the gym,
Speaker 5: I like going, you know, since high school.
Speaker 1: Because I'm older. Now you will have a foreign star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fifty three. I do want to talk about that.
Speaker 2: What you what is it?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: What is your life like?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: How do you look so good? Thank you black don't cracker,
Speaker 4: that's yes, you're right. At least so many stars i've
Speaker 4: been seeing when you're right, You're right.
Speaker 2: What is the lotion?
Speaker 3: But what is your life like?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: Uh? You know, it's good, it's good. You know, my
Speaker 5: daughters are grown and it kind of kind of advise
Speaker 5: them on you know, business things because they're both college educated.
Speaker 5: I'm taking care of my niece right now, she's fourteen,
Speaker 5: and that's like challenging, I'm sure, because you know, she's
Speaker 5: the whole different generation. I'm working on different projects with
Speaker 5: different people with Snoop, you know, me and T. I'm
Speaker 5: kicking around some stuff, T Pain I work with, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm just friends in different How do you go.
Speaker 1: Then, from like we see right now a lot of
Speaker 1: athletes going from sports to now commentating podcasts, movies, film.
Speaker 1: What does how hard was that for you leaving adult
Speaker 1: film industry and now getting into other industries, and do
Speaker 1: you feel like also people respect you coming from sex work.
Speaker 1: Because we had this conversation where and it was on
Speaker 1: the podcast and maybe it's different for women, but I
Speaker 1: think Lisa and probably we both talked about how once
Speaker 1: you're in that space, it would probably be hard for people,
Speaker 1: especially for women to be respected after that.
Speaker 3: Right, And don't be black, no, I know, and don't
Speaker 3: be a black woman that went into it.
Speaker 1: So how do you walk into those spaces where you know,
Speaker 1: everyone done senior dick, Buddha, cheek slapping, hya haya eat coaching,
Speaker 1: How do you demand respect leaving that industry and inserting
Speaker 1: yourself into others?
Speaker 2: I mean, the big thing for me is I give it,
Speaker 2: give respect, you know iat.
Speaker 3: You know, but you give respect and you receive it.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: So I love think for me because I'm born and
Speaker 5: raised here in l A and I've been you know,
Speaker 5: and all kinds of hoods with all kinds of brothers
Speaker 5: and sisters, partying and talking business and helping cats out,
Speaker 5: looking out for motherfuckers. So I think just naturally by
Speaker 5: nature that I just wanted to show, you know, I
Speaker 5: treat people how I want to be treated.
Speaker 4: Do you think it has to do with the level
Speaker 4: to which you did porn, because because you did it
Speaker 4: at its highest level, which for example, for Mandy and
Speaker 4: I I feel like the first two years, maybe the
Speaker 4: three years of the show, we were just holding on
Speaker 4: a podcast, and then once they realized how much money
Speaker 4: will make it and we started other businesses and TV,
Speaker 4: they were like, then there came respect. I've inspired.
Speaker 5: You bet, just talking to people everybody fucking I mean,
Speaker 5: that's how we got here, you know, And that's what
Speaker 5: we do while were here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so you know, you build a family that way.
Speaker 5: And sexuality is a part of who we are. It's
Speaker 5: just a part of our nature. It's the same way
Speaker 5: like we like different types of food and our clothing
Speaker 5: and our friends. We like our sex a certain way,
Speaker 5: you know. We know we like you know, physically, and
Speaker 5: what we like mentally, and we want to find tune that.
Speaker 5: And you're always constantly exploring that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I think for me, I just kind of did it publicly,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And.
Speaker 4: I did it openly, you know in this era of
Speaker 4: today's point, now you see it. How come you had
Speaker 4: it jump back in?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's yeah, I mean coming back around
Speaker 2: I think goes.
Speaker 5: My family was like my family was like a big
Speaker 5: part of like it was kind of like because I
Speaker 5: was because at one point I just did you know,
Speaker 5: there wasn't all that thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that attend it was it was more private.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: You were going out to eat waffles. And the women
Speaker 1: was like that's the smarts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean men and you know they kind of
Speaker 5: they went with it, you know, like it Yeah, they
Speaker 5: probably they probably.
Speaker 2: They probably preferred not to have all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now I'm way more low key, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 5: I don't want it, you know, I'd like to just
Speaker 5: roll in, handle ship, see people, see what's up, and
Speaker 5: then bounce.
Speaker 1: So even though you see the landscape of ownership and
Speaker 1: the money that is now being able to be made,
Speaker 1: the respect for your family is what's keeping you not
Speaker 1: getting back into.
Speaker 2: The industry right now, if you know, the one thing
Speaker 2: is I do own a lot of content, I own them,
Speaker 2: but you.
Speaker 5: Own a lot of ye that.
Speaker 3: On the table literally, Wait, so how were you able
Speaker 3: to how were you able to do that?
Speaker 1: Because even when We talked to a lot of the
Speaker 1: porn legends who are working in the nineties and early
Speaker 1: two thousands. You got your day rate, but there was
Speaker 1: like no equity. You were a part of owning anything.
Speaker 1: These companies owned a lot of that work. How are
Speaker 1: you able to audi? Because I'd always do I would
Speaker 1: shoot for people, then I would shoot for myself. Oh directing, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I owned it and I paid for it, so
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I just shoot
Speaker 1: mainstream stuff amateur ship just you know, first time.
Speaker 3: But what did that?
Speaker 2: What did that? What did that?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 3: Distribution and ROI look like it was?
Speaker 5: It was? And then nobody teaches these things when I
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like producer packets and all that.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, they would give me budgets
Speaker 5: and I would shoot these movies.
Speaker 1: And you know what a movie budget for pornb like
Speaker 1: yeah it right now, ship, I don't know, no, right now,
Speaker 1: it's cheap.
Speaker 5: But back then, yeah, back then you can spind up.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe it's still kind of cheap. But twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five thousand, you know, but what way? Way?
Speaker 1: Now I need a lot I want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: So I met with Johnny Darko, I have a TV
Speaker 1: show where I cover how people make.
Speaker 3: Money from sex.
Speaker 1: I saw that and yeah you see yeah sex cells,
Speaker 1: which I I want to thank you.
Speaker 4: And they fucking told me that these girls, no matter
Speaker 4: how big they are today, are not making more than
Speaker 4: twenty five hundred dollars. Johnny Darko was paying these dudes
Speaker 4: in a gang or blowbank three fifty five hundred six hundred.
Speaker 1: So then where's the budget if you're saying it's twenty
Speaker 1: that because because the talent is not getting a lot
Speaker 1: of that money. No, No, I mean you.
Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is you probably would spend it
Speaker 2: on location.
Speaker 5: Okay, you spend on your crew, your wardrobe, post production,
Speaker 5: post production wardrobe, wardrobe is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they cut all that shit out.
Speaker 1: Is extensive.
Speaker 3: Logerai Bro, you could get this.
Speaker 1: I paid for Lemna and I we did an Amazon
Speaker 1: thing all show me how you make pork that He's right,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you could get cheap lingerie Bro. If
Speaker 1: I got a budget, we going the Amazon Prime route
Speaker 1: or to she and route.
Speaker 5: We're just gonna wait two weeks to get it. At
Speaker 5: one point, man, motherfuckers were making like like epic movies.
Speaker 5: Like they were like spind in a week on production.
Speaker 3: Hair, which I always said, don't be looking good?
Speaker 1: What do think? That is twenty five k?
Speaker 4: And basically, so you're leading it as the director. Have
Speaker 4: you ever directed porn that you were in?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what are you doing? Are you just like yo,
Speaker 4: like gets the turn? But while you're fucking do you
Speaker 4: direct or do you start talking something?
Speaker 2: Well? You try to hire your crew.
Speaker 5: You know, I hear a lot of mainstream directors be like,
Speaker 5: I want to thank my crew because your crew is key.
Speaker 5: Your crew is going to get the shots, they're going
Speaker 5: to make sure the lighting is right, They're going to
Speaker 5: take a lot of the work, you know, so you
Speaker 5: don't have to focus on that. And as a performer,
Speaker 5: you want to just focus on performing. So you kind
Speaker 5: of want to have it all kind of mapped out
Speaker 5: what you're going to do. You want your crew like
Speaker 5: kind of locked in on what you know, you want
Speaker 5: to have that. You want to communicate. They want to
Speaker 5: know what's going to happen, and then you just want
Speaker 5: to focus on making it happen.
Speaker 1: So, so with a twenty five thousand dollars budget for
Speaker 1: a scene, how much would you make on that.
Speaker 5: I mean that for like twenty five is like you're
Speaker 5: shooting like five or six scenes. You got about five
Speaker 5: or six for a movie. Okay, Okay, I mean then
Speaker 5: that's that was back in late nineties, early two thousands.
Speaker 5: People were doing that.
Speaker 1: And how was porn making money then from selling the DVD?
Speaker 2: H yeah, DVD broadcast rights licensing agreements?
Speaker 1: Is that like when they're we're in the hotel press okay.
Speaker 5: Streaming overseas. Wow, you know it's a global market. Uh,
Speaker 5: they'll they'll do transcribed, you know, they'll dub it.
Speaker 1: They dubbed porn they could yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no they do. Wait, I've heard bones be thrown in,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking like, oh yeah, they definitely be throwing
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no one's about this moving. This is
Speaker 1: this is all I hate. This is from another sea.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate dubble. How do you mean that?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you a part of that part where
Speaker 3: you be like low quiet here at the moane?
Speaker 1: How you done that before?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Like have you ever voiceover moons?
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think, you know, because I hated it,
Speaker 5: So I want to always hire a netror when I
Speaker 5: just sit in there and fix that, you know, wipe
Speaker 5: that out.
Speaker 2: But now I don't think I never did eighty.
Speaker 3: R from eighty rs.
Speaker 4: When they go back in and basically let's just say
Speaker 4: they want to change words in a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to think. It's like he was in
Speaker 1: your ass and you didn't say it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Go back to show.
Speaker 5: You need to say, yeah, that's that's that's true, and
Speaker 5: be like, hey, I need you to say, okay, put
Speaker 5: it in my ass.
Speaker 2: All right. She's like, put in my ass? All right?
Speaker 2: What is now? You got it? Now?
Speaker 1: You gotta things to say?
Speaker 3: Porn, like, what is common porn? Dirty talk?
Speaker 1: Give me?
Speaker 3: I feel like when we make a joke about it, it's.
Speaker 1: Give me that, you know.
Speaker 5: I was thinking, man, God, I gotta be like because
Speaker 5: they'd be like, oh my god, oh my god, be like,
Speaker 5: you know, guys will like stop using my name.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you hate what a woman says? Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the girls. I mean, if that's something spiritual, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's something.
Speaker 3: Listen, be spiritual. If you making me see some ship,
Speaker 3: I think so too.
Speaker 4: But oh my god, ship when we did sex in France,
Speaker 4: they I said what do you think girls say? American
Speaker 4: girls say oh my god, DC, oh my god, and
Speaker 4: that must be some ship we do. So, oh my god,
Speaker 4: what's another way you hate it?
Speaker 1: When they said that? When the girl she said, and
Speaker 1: she's like, every voice get hired and ship, I'm like,
Speaker 1: where we going? That sound like? Will you? Will you
Speaker 1: be saying how you sound? I imagine you say, fuck,
Speaker 1: that's I imagine you being like that. I imagine look
Speaker 1: see you just literally said that's that's you.
Speaker 2: That's you.
Speaker 3: Has there ever been anything said that turned you off?
Speaker 1: And and also because you were doing inter racial we
Speaker 1: just had this conversation with with that turner. But have
Speaker 1: you been called the N word?
Speaker 5: I mean there was one time a girl you know,
Speaker 5: that was their whole deal. She would call you that
Speaker 5: a white woman. Yeah, wait, there was a deal for it,
Speaker 5: so you wouldn't she she.
Speaker 2: You know, I showed up thinking she can't go call
Speaker 2: me that? So you know what? And then the director
Speaker 2: was pissed because I.
Speaker 1: Was like, you know, she ain't gonna do that ship
Speaker 1: with me telling you that right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he thought I was on some arrogant ship.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, bro, was the director white?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And whatever. I mean, it is what it was.
Speaker 3: But I was like, nah.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you threw the boundary at race play,
Speaker 1: but is there any other thing? I mean, we can do.
Speaker 2: We can do the race play thing, but you ain't
Speaker 2: gotta call me yeah, because I.
Speaker 4: Think race play if it's in a different dynamic, because
Speaker 4: we're already listening to race play with big black hops, let's.
Speaker 2: Be yeah one hundred. I like, give me that little
Speaker 2: white plassy white.
Speaker 1: That little white plissic crazy because it's paint.
Speaker 3: Here to take this OA has that made you laugh
Speaker 3: when someone was trying to do dirty So.
Speaker 4: Probably I always talking about this thing I said to
Speaker 4: a man that made him die laughing and I hate it.
Speaker 1: But I was coming and I said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: please keep sucking to come out of me. He was
Speaker 1: laughing so hard, and I was like, what did I
Speaker 1: say to Are you not fucking to come out?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'm just some curious in role
Speaker 4: play because you gotta really be fast on your toes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be sucking up words. I've literally said my
Speaker 1: dick before.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I was gonna say, Like usually
Speaker 5: you know you and if you if I'm we fucking
Speaker 5: just gonna come to you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna come up with some sh you just gonna
Speaker 1: stay so shit and be like no, did I say
Speaker 1: He'll be like huh my plussy, my plussy, That's what
Speaker 1: I meant.
Speaker 3: Like I've been fucking absolutely said the wrong thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, oh, you know what I do want
Speaker 4: to ask hery did you ever have because we talked
Speaker 4: about rules, Mandy was talking about rules. What were your
Speaker 4: nose for scenes you wouldn't do, whether it be ain'tal play,
Speaker 4: pegging maybe like not solo scenes.
Speaker 1: Like you just squided your face when she said that
Speaker 1: pegan and I don't know, was there stuff that you like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wasn't none of those things.
Speaker 4: But like, were there things that they maybe wanted you
Speaker 4: to do that you were like on the same type
Speaker 4: maybe DVP whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you've eighteen probably I probably would
Speaker 5: be like yeah, I mean I think I was also,
Speaker 5: like I said, once you fucking once she dicks out,
Speaker 5: she's going doing anything.
Speaker 2: You get more open to doing ship because you just
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 1: Ship, especially if it's good.
Speaker 2: It's good ship. You like, hey, baby, yeah you can
Speaker 2: you can do that.
Speaker 1: You can do what you want to do, do whatever
Speaker 1: you want to be.
Speaker 3: So then so then because you ahead, yeah, what were
Speaker 3: your nose?
Speaker 5: I mean I wasn't. I wasn't into it. I wasn't
Speaker 5: in the pagan I mean, the DPS would kind of
Speaker 5: just happen, you know what I mean, You'd be like,
Speaker 5: I want to fuck it too, so so you know,
Speaker 5: she'd be like, come on fucking. So some things just
Speaker 5: kind of ended up in that situation. But I mean specifically,
Speaker 5: I just wanted.
Speaker 2: To be comfortable.
Speaker 4: Were there scenes they asked you to do that you
Speaker 4: said no too? Or maybe as the years went on,
Speaker 4: did the price get higher for gay porn for you?
Speaker 4: Or like had they ever been like, please please, mister markets,
Speaker 4: we do this.
Speaker 5: I think I pretty much said I'm straight and even
Speaker 5: and I think maybe earlier on they thought would you
Speaker 5: and I was like nah, and it wasn't ever you know,
Speaker 5: brought up again, So I didn't have it wasn't put
Speaker 5: in that position, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I love that you weren't.
Speaker 4: Pressing yeah me, because I feel like today, with fluidity
Speaker 4: and somebody.
Speaker 2: To celebrate, I think it's way different now it is.
Speaker 5: I think there's you know there's a lot more bisexuality
Speaker 5: and crossover, and you know there's way more now and
Speaker 5: a lot more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about money outside of that? Like Jason told
Speaker 4: us a crazy as story that, Oh my god. I
Speaker 4: even told Mandy I wanted to cut it out, but
Speaker 4: I liked because it was incest. So for me, I
Speaker 4: was just like dad paying you the fuck this kid
Speaker 4: is disgusting.
Speaker 5: But and wife, Yes see when I like I said,
Speaker 5: I got out around twenty ten eleven, and then I
Speaker 5: kept seeing other shit kind of going like I wasn't
Speaker 5: in the cock holds. Oh ever, yeah I think I
Speaker 5: did one.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you asked to do? Offset?
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying, What are you like?
Speaker 1: Offset? What have you been asked to doing? How much
Speaker 1: money did they offer?
Speaker 2: People are freak?
Speaker 1: We know, God like, please fuck my wife? How was
Speaker 1: the freakiest request that you've gotten? And how much they
Speaker 1: offered you?
Speaker 5: I mean there was They didn't pay me anything. But
Speaker 5: I remember there was this woman. She was an Asian woman,
Speaker 5: and I don't even know how I met her, but
Speaker 5: I just remember me and her had our thing and
Speaker 5: then she said I want you to meet my husband,
Speaker 5: And I was like, are you sure this is this?
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I had never met nobody's husband. I mean, fucking girls
Speaker 5: wise whatever, I never met the husband. It was always
Speaker 5: on some download ship. And so this was gonna be
Speaker 5: the first time I met the dude. And I remember
Speaker 5: we're gonna go to the club and so uh so
Speaker 5: we met in the parking lot and he was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: you're gonna ride with us to the club?
Speaker 2: Was nah? He was a white dude.
Speaker 5: White dudes, okay, like sh and so so I remember
Speaker 5: I got in the back seat and then she hopped
Speaker 5: in the back seat with me.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, what do you doing better get
Speaker 2: in the front seat with your husband.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like big black card?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Did she did you?
Speaker 3: Or she just sat back there.
Speaker 5: When just got in the back seat, and then she
Speaker 5: just was like it's cool. And I was like and
Speaker 5: this was like me the you know, I'm early twenties,
Speaker 5: so I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, what the hell I'm like, but okay, so he
Speaker 1: was driving the car.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was driving the car and were driving
Speaker 5: out the freeway and she just hooked it up like
Speaker 5: she hooked.
Speaker 1: It up, and it was just like, don't be modest
Speaker 1: now we don't know what do you mean hooked it up?
Speaker 3: Could you please explain this scene?
Speaker 5: And she just started just going down and be like
Speaker 5: and and then I looked uphim, he's got the rearview
Speaker 5: mirror like frame right, And I said I would have
Speaker 5: done the same thing.
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 3: So you did do some cuckold and ship you did, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know cuckhold now is like a whole
Speaker 2: different thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could talk about this, so
Speaker 1: we can cut it if you want.
Speaker 4: But I want to know about sex work money outside
Speaker 4: of porn, because the girls were able to strip and
Speaker 4: do they pit stops?
Speaker 1: They did?
Speaker 4: But to me, I could only see a man making money,
Speaker 4: like wanting to get paid, like for sex with couples
Speaker 4: or women, Like did you jump into that?
Speaker 1: And like how was it?
Speaker 2: I was? I was bad at it?
Speaker 1: Clearly you just did. Why were you bad at read?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: I would go to like swinger parties, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: bring someone with me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And then they knew you and then you was just jumping.
Speaker 3: You just was slanging dick at the swinger party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but even then I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I was still kind of, you know, kind of stand office,
Speaker 5: like I wanted, you know, listen, if the dick ain't
Speaker 5: in it, you know, if I'm not, if it's not
Speaker 5: with it, why should I so into it?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like, but if I'm not into it, if it ain't
Speaker 5: gonna happen because I wanted to, I wanted to work.
Speaker 5: I wanted to.
Speaker 1: You want to actually enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I want them to enjoy it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be reciprocated if I'm enjoying it,
Speaker 5: If she's enjoying it, you know, it's gonna we're gonna
Speaker 5: have it's gonna be moments.
Speaker 1: So for you outside of even of course directing doing poorn,
Speaker 1: knowing that that was a job. Outside of that, you
Speaker 1: didn't want to make sex work outside of work, right.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have to. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: be that locked to it. Like it was always like
Speaker 2: enjoy you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: And I would come across people that made it. They
Speaker 5: were like, oh, you're you know you're so and so so, Yeah,
Speaker 5: we expect you to want to do these things. And
Speaker 5: I'd be like, nah, they don't. That doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 5: that I'm gonna do anything, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 4: How being that, I mean, you seem like an in elections,
Speaker 4: even to mention the first five minutes you're a reader.
Speaker 4: Has there been moments where you were tired of being
Speaker 4: diminished down to your dick?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Somebody call me a walking dick. How's kind of kind
Speaker 2: of uh yeah, I think No.
Speaker 5: It was afterwards, like I met, I did an interview
Speaker 5: with them, and then afterwards I saw like a clip
Speaker 5: where they were talking about me and they were like.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's just a walking dick.
Speaker 5: And I was just like wow, wow, I know, and
Speaker 5: it kind of I felt like, Okay, maybe I didn't,
Speaker 5: you know, come across, but I think I can see
Speaker 5: how like like I said, when you once, if I'm
Speaker 5: in a sexual environment, then I'm gonna be sexual, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, I'm a I if it's if
Speaker 5: we gotta, if it's what we're trying to be, then good,
Speaker 5: let's be that, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 5: just but it wasn't like maybe it looked like I
Speaker 5: switched it on switch it off. But there's always always
Speaker 5: some kind of prep that goes into it. It's some
Speaker 5: there's some kind of forethought, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: And there's going to be an afterthought, and I want
Speaker 5: to and I don't want to be like bogged down and.
Speaker 2: Like I hate doing this.
Speaker 3: I was black men being diminished to their dick's side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, listen, when I came in the industry.
Speaker 5: You know a girl that I worked with and this
Speaker 5: is you know, this was a tragic side of our industry,
Speaker 5: and it's a sad side of our industry. But she
Speaker 5: committed suicide like six months after I was in the industry,
Speaker 5: and I had worked with her, and I said, what
Speaker 5: could be so bad?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And I see how people
Speaker 2: get treated in.
Speaker 5: Such a negative right, and you know, a negative way
Speaker 5: that makes them feel less than and I was like,
Speaker 5: fuck that, fuck that, because there was all these cats
Speaker 5: who wanted to make.
Speaker 2: You feel like that.
Speaker 1: So how did you maintain then being in this industry specifically,
Speaker 1: how did you keep up with your mental health, especially
Speaker 1: because you were in porn in an era where mental
Speaker 1: health for black men was not again the topic, or
Speaker 1: it wasn't like people weren't really going to therapy in
Speaker 1: the nineties like that. How did you maintain in your
Speaker 1: sanity while working in this industry.
Speaker 5: That's a good question. Uh well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously if if you know and you were paying attention.
Speaker 5: I had a family, you know, and so that was
Speaker 5: the flip.
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't like wife and kids family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just you know, I had, like,
Speaker 1: you know, something come home to.
Speaker 3: And that was that not common from any male points.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. It probably was, but it
Speaker 5: wasn't as open maybe discussed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: You know, there wasn't this social media where you got
Speaker 5: into people's homes and had discussions, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I definitely wasn't like when I realized when I
Speaker 5: first started sharing it was when I did have my daughter,
Speaker 5: and I was like, man, I got a kid, you know,
Speaker 5: but I'm still making movies, you know what. I'm making
Speaker 5: money to take care of this kid, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So I think for me, it was just
Speaker 5: being honest, just being it was a reality that I
Speaker 5: was dealing with. But it also it like kind of
Speaker 5: he lit a fire my ass to be around to
Speaker 5: know who I am, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 5: be rooted in what really matters. I knew how the
Speaker 5: point industry was like kind of someone said, they said
Speaker 5: this about the cruise, like we're transient, like we came
Speaker 5: and we went. And so the industry does that brings
Speaker 5: you in, kind of kicks you out. You know, the
Speaker 5: male performers of the year maybe one year and then
Speaker 5: he's not. The female performers even more so, right, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, girls really have to carve out
Speaker 5: a niche and you know, branding. I remember, you know,
Speaker 5: my brandness, my brand net. You know, I remember when
Speaker 5: all that became a discussion, what was the normal lifespan?
Speaker 1: I know you've been you said you did it from
Speaker 1: ninety four all the way up to twenty ten. But
Speaker 1: for the average blackmail performer, what really was the lifespan
Speaker 1: of being a star in porn during your era?
Speaker 5: I mean, men last a lot longer because it's not
Speaker 5: the many men that's right to hear that, Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: pretty common, but they don't make as much. They don't,
Speaker 5: but maybe over time they can't. Okay, women have a
Speaker 5: two to three year you know, shelf life in our
Speaker 5: industry at that during my era. But then it's also
Speaker 5: like there's an emotional and physical.
Speaker 3: That comes with this wan to date outside of porn.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, just trying to Now you're
Speaker 5: more famous, you're recognizable, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You know, if you build a brand, you kind of
Speaker 2: locked into that. You know.
Speaker 5: I admire someone like Lisa An who's able to like
Speaker 5: you know, she's but she's also tapped into what she
Speaker 5: really loves, which is sports. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: killing it and so you know she and she also
Speaker 5: kind of she built up a name with when she
Speaker 5: was doing that Sarah Sarah Palin thing.
Speaker 3: What black women do you think are adjacent to Lisa?
Speaker 1: Because T. S.
Speaker 4: Madison is the only yes person I could think that's
Speaker 4: done porn woman that's done porn, and she's a trans
Speaker 4: woman that's done porn and crossed over.
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I was gonna mention it earlier.
Speaker 2: I like Missy Stone. Ah, she's wow crazy you know.
Speaker 3: Is Missy Stone acting?
Speaker 2: She's acting? Yes, she actually did theater.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: Good people brought up when I asked them questions for you,
Speaker 4: they brought up Missy Stone. So it's that's funny you
Speaker 4: brought her name up. There is one question I'm sure
Speaker 4: you're tired of answering. But you are the reason that
Speaker 4: we noticed superhead.
Speaker 3: It's up crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that was that video?
Speaker 2: That was I just came up a new word too. People.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's word, but they were like superhand.
Speaker 2: I was like underdome.
Speaker 1: I liked it actually to me, it was a great evolution,
Speaker 1: a great book. Yeah, he rates to.
Speaker 5: Get your coins, but not for us. Hell, she's a
Speaker 5: great writer, an incredible writer. And she you know, you know,
Speaker 5: I was reading what you know, she knows her audience,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Uh, she's you know, she's
Speaker 5: she's well like she's been around, she's you know.
Speaker 1: So what was that like?
Speaker 3: How did first of all as her just being an
Speaker 3: industry secret, finally doing it on camera?
Speaker 1: How was it?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No other option? It was like mister Marcus, but not
Speaker 3: only that. How was that set up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Shout out to Suaveave triple X because he did a
Speaker 5: scene with her in New York and then I was
Speaker 5: shooting mister Marcus neighborhood which was all new Black girls.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mister Marx neighborhood was all new Black girls that
Speaker 5: do antal, which we found out that was hard to
Speaker 5: do you must.
Speaker 3: Have made You said that was hard to do. It
Speaker 3: was hard to his biggest fun.
Speaker 1: To be going in a long new booty. Yes, you
Speaker 1: need to test first. It was fun when it was fun,
Speaker 1: but it was like bad when it was bad.
Speaker 5: It was like it was no in between. It was
Speaker 5: like he was either into it or you wasn't. And
Speaker 5: the girls that we were trying to find at the
Speaker 5: time that wasn't. That was like there wasn't a large
Speaker 5: pool of girls that were doing any So, so when
Speaker 5: Korean came around, it was really just about getting new
Speaker 5: girls and and and Sa was like, yeah, you got
Speaker 5: this girl. She brand new, she gives crazy head and
Speaker 5: you're gonna love it. I was like ship center by
Speaker 5: way and so uh and then we talked and we clicked.
Speaker 5: You know when she came in. She wasn't like an amateur,
Speaker 5: which I.
Speaker 1: Was expecting, you mean amateurs in style, like in just
Speaker 1: in terms of like how do I do it? You know,
Speaker 1: what do I do with this?
Speaker 4: She was like, when I think of the current suffic
Speaker 4: I think of this, Oh yeah, literally basket weed technique.
Speaker 4: Who do you think is some of the best in
Speaker 4: the game are giving you head that you can remember
Speaker 4: most memorable.
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's I don't know.
Speaker 5: The question doesn't make really because you know it's it's
Speaker 5: it's it's very it's a selfish thing.
Speaker 2: It's like a real you know, it's like it's for me.
Speaker 2: I got my dick.
Speaker 4: Almost made it challenging for you to even perform where
Speaker 4: you came too fast.
Speaker 2: I mean good head. I put it like this. Girls
Speaker 2: that are into giving head, who want to give good
Speaker 2: head usually give.
Speaker 3: Goodness every time.
Speaker 1: One of one of our segments is a warder. Because
Speaker 1: we just spoke about oral and anal, could you give
Speaker 1: a tip for the women on what you really enjoy
Speaker 1: in receiving head, And then can you give a tip
Speaker 1: to the men who were well and down like yourself,
Speaker 1: an anal tip on actually getting it in and enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, he said, I could give you a sex tip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: So let's start with oral than anal.
Speaker 5: Uh Oral, I think you know, I like a girl
Speaker 5: that goes deep on it. But you know, if you
Speaker 5: got a gag, reflect maybe you should turn the angle.
Speaker 2: And how you're doing it.
Speaker 3: Oh you turn your mouth?
Speaker 5: You mean yeah, turn your mouth and maybe have him
Speaker 5: lay in a certain certain way. Little liquor wouldn't hurt.
Speaker 5: Just relax, you know, something helps you Just relax and
Speaker 5: get into it. And if and then and then kind
Speaker 5: of like if the dude, you know, because girls can
Speaker 5: either what I learned, girls can either like start to
Speaker 5: do it and get more and more comfortable as she's
Speaker 5: doing it, and we'll get more into it. Don't rush it,
Speaker 5: don't start forcing your you know, onto it, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? Kind of yeah, just you know, be patient,
Speaker 5: let her kind of find her way around it, Let
Speaker 5: her do what she wants to do.
Speaker 1: You know, you fine yo around like you know, you
Speaker 1: might have to go around the corner. You know your
Speaker 1: should be okay, and you said there's directions around here. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna be easy for you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you some time to figure it out. It's like
Speaker 1: when you go to a big house for a real
Speaker 1: estate agent. Just let me know what you say, take.
Speaker 3: Your time, take your time. I'll be right here. Okay.
Speaker 3: And then for anal uh, because you said someone were
Speaker 3: really bad or you did get it.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, obviously douche and clean, so that
Speaker 5: you're not really focused on that because they weren't comfortable enough.
Speaker 3: They were nervous making a mask.
Speaker 5: So, you know, make sure you feel clean so that
Speaker 5: you can relax and enjoy it. Another if you got
Speaker 5: to use loop. Everybody's different. You know, you can use
Speaker 5: a oil base or water based.
Speaker 4: Everyone's different. But your dick is huge? Did you not
Speaker 4: in your eighteen hundred films, you mainly need to use lube?
Speaker 4: I mean use it most of the time, right, did
Speaker 4: You're not about tell me? Ain't nobody most of the time.
Speaker 4: Most of the time you use lub.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sometimes a girl would like spit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: She would spin on her ship, or she'd already have
Speaker 5: it lub. She liked a certain type of loop, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, so she would already be kind
Speaker 5: of prepped. She would use most you know, I would
Speaker 5: suggest using like a dido or something ahead of time.
Speaker 1: I suggest you open yourself up before you you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 4: The biggest dick I ever had, he used to try
Speaker 4: to say this to me, and I didn't realize it
Speaker 4: was because he knew how big he was. I was
Speaker 4: maybe early twenties in New York, and he would say,
Speaker 4: I want you to masturbate before I get there, Like,
Speaker 4: get yourself excited for me just now. When you say that,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, he needed me to get he needed.
Speaker 1: Your ass opening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beat it?
Speaker 1: Can I ask you to all the anals, with the
Speaker 1: anal girls and the newbies, you said that a lot
Speaker 1: of them got in their head about making a mess.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, as a man who's had
Speaker 3: antal sex, does.
Speaker 1: A mess bother you? Huh? I've had.
Speaker 2: Is a little messy, and that's to be expected, you know.
Speaker 5: Don't don't make a big deal out of it, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, clean it up and yeah, I
Speaker 5: be covering the ship.
Speaker 4: Take this ship, I mean someone that took it as
Speaker 4: a serious profession, I guess for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What about injuries? You ever hurt somebody till the years?
Speaker 5: I mean you accidentally, if you're rushing it, if the
Speaker 5: girl's not relaxed, not properly loved up. I was gonna say,
Speaker 5: a good position to do is like a spoon girl
Speaker 5: laying on her side, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 5: kind of takes the takes the weight and the pressure
Speaker 5: off off the you know, makes a little easier to
Speaker 5: get in and it doesn't you're not You're not twisting
Speaker 5: in a weird way where your ass is you know
Speaker 5: you're gonna hit, gonna poke her in the wrong way.
Speaker 5: At least she's relaxed, she's on her side, and it's
Speaker 5: a lot easier to come in from behind.
Speaker 3: In your normal dating life, had you had girls feel
Speaker 3: really insecure.
Speaker 2: And that's and it's like a lot of fun to
Speaker 2: try to make them, you know, feel secure.
Speaker 3: How did you do that?
Speaker 2: You know, just kind of like touch them in places
Speaker 2: they want to be touched, like where the.
Speaker 1: Place he was. Maybe you ever had a nigga your elbow? Listen,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, did you touch my elbow? Okay?
Speaker 3: What I love that you said it was fun to
Speaker 3: get them to be secure.
Speaker 1: What type of affirmations when a woman has been insecure
Speaker 1: with you that you do outside of touching them? What
Speaker 1: things would you say to make them more comfortable and
Speaker 1: feel more secure with you?
Speaker 5: I mean I laughed a lot, so I'm always you know,
Speaker 5: maybe with cracks, some jokes, you know, just to take
Speaker 5: away any kind of tension.
Speaker 1: You're being funny with a big dick is crazy.
Speaker 3: Because big dicks just be there because they feel like
Speaker 3: they ain't got to do nothing else. No, you are
Speaker 3: a little too smart for your dick.
Speaker 4: You know you read books make just last I'm looking
Speaker 4: for you want to pick out the flaw, and I
Speaker 4: think we do that just as humans. You see someone attractive,
Speaker 4: nice smile, You're like, I's wrong with you?
Speaker 3: You got six sols? What do you think your biggest
Speaker 3: flaw in? Sexiest?
Speaker 2: Sensitive? Super sensitive?
Speaker 5: Like i'd have to I really got to work backwards,
Speaker 5: you know, like not to be you know, like I
Speaker 5: think they got a thing called edging.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, if you jack.
Speaker 5: Called edges well, I mean they calling it edge it,
Speaker 5: but it's you know, it's been around since we you know,
Speaker 5: how to jack our dicks off. But you know it's
Speaker 5: much more in the you know, in the in the conversation. Now,
Speaker 5: edging is getting yourself right there but not coming. I
Speaker 5: mean you could do that, you can practice that, but
Speaker 5: I think sometimes way sensitivity just you know, wanted to come.
Speaker 2: I can come multiple times. So if the girl's cool
Speaker 2: with that, then we can you.
Speaker 1: Can come and play it back in. I love it. Wow,
Speaker 1: me too, love it. That's that is the best I'll
Speaker 1: be telling me, because if you ain't got more than
Speaker 1: one round on you. We're not fucking that is no.
Speaker 1: I mean like right, no, like not immediately immediately. No time,
Speaker 1: ain't no guaranteed. No no, oh no no no, that
Speaker 1: ain't no guarantees. I always say, you have to go
Speaker 1: as many rounds as I can get you up right right,
Speaker 1: and baby, I'm gonna get you back up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I see that.
Speaker 1: They said you can do what I do.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, you don't actually have a question for
Speaker 4: you being at You're fifty three and you had been
Speaker 4: doing poor in this this many years. So I have
Speaker 4: gotten in the dumbest arguments with my boyfriend because he
Speaker 4: likes to hold his semen.
Speaker 1: He don't like to come multiple times a week, right,
Speaker 1: and so literally I wasn't crying, but I.
Speaker 4: Was like, I just understand why he's like, yo, you know,
Speaker 4: many women would love this, but he's like really instead,
Speaker 4: he a little hole tepee.
Speaker 3: Have you found that that strengthened your stamina?
Speaker 1: Not coming good?
Speaker 2: But you're right, some girls be like, hey tomorrow, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I want to see the coming.
Speaker 1: I want to see that.
Speaker 4: It makes me so frustrated. Yeah, I want to see,
Speaker 4: like as someone i'm by a coastal. I travel so much,
Speaker 4: and I'm like you telling you're not gonna do this before.
Speaker 1: Like that's my thing. I make a mess on me.
Speaker 1: I want to see it, I want to feel it.
Speaker 1: I want you to fingerpaint it all. That's his biggest
Speaker 1: I want you to feed.
Speaker 2: It to me.
Speaker 1: I like now, and I used to like, let me
Speaker 1: get it's it's not me right, He's just doing this. No,
Speaker 1: he's doing this because he wants to stamina last for you,
Speaker 1: because he loved you.
Speaker 3: Girl, That's what he were saying.
Speaker 2: He's working on You're working on it.
Speaker 3: So can I ask you?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 1: At fifty three, my ex was also up up there
Speaker 1: over the hill. Can I ask how your how your
Speaker 1: sex stamina has changed over time? You starting in your twenties.
Speaker 1: People assume that when you're younger you have this stamina
Speaker 1: and this sex thing.
Speaker 5: It's weird because I I feel like I'm still like
Speaker 5: I'm still you know, natural, Like thank god I never
Speaker 5: went that direction because it's still I still get aroused,
Speaker 5: you know, girl turns me on. We're gonna have great sex,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. If I'm not into it,
Speaker 5: it's frustrating because I want to be into it. But
Speaker 5: if I can't, if I can't click, then it's just
Speaker 5: like you know, so I say so much psychology.
Speaker 2: Luckily it's still.
Speaker 1: You're you're in your head then a lot because well
Speaker 1: when I say it too sex where it is very physical.
Speaker 1: Here we go with the goddamn sign. It's always a
Speaker 1: horror we in la. Everybody done brought up goddamn sign.
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got quick ones for you. Just got to
Speaker 4: know this before we get out of here. New pussy
Speaker 4: or in love pussy.
Speaker 5: Everybody likes pussy, I mean, but when you're in love
Speaker 5: if it's yeah, I mean yeah, and we can go
Speaker 5: that way if we get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds like new pussy, is it
Speaker 1: sounds like?
Speaker 5: But but I've been I've had the love pussy, which
Speaker 5: was bomb, which was bomb, which was really bomb, and
Speaker 5: actually it's still bomb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I know, that's right, that's not only but
Speaker 4: I still only fans are porn hug But is it
Speaker 4: only fans porn hug.
Speaker 5: You know, porn hub Never really I've never been embraced
Speaker 5: by porn up. Somebody asked me the same thing, like.
Speaker 1: They said, welcome, they said, right, They're like I can't.
Speaker 2: Find your porn, I said, I know, they never that's true.
Speaker 1: I couldn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, wait, why I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was something personal, something, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought I was typing in something wrong, so then
Speaker 1: I thought it was okay. Really, I was trying to
Speaker 1: like look up some titles from your movies and.
Speaker 2: You know, and I love this industry. I've been through
Speaker 2: hailing back for this industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I didn't bring it up.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been through so much I wanted to,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, I've been in the bus, parked the bus,
Speaker 2: you know all that.
Speaker 1: Have you talked about that on an interview?
Speaker 5: I mean I did when it when I went through
Speaker 5: all that ship and I just got kind of tired
Speaker 5: because it was like I was trying to you know,
Speaker 5: I was just being upfront about everything, and I was
Speaker 5: dealing with people who didn't know the industry. So it's
Speaker 5: like kind of I got to tell you about this,
Speaker 5: I got to established, I got to tell you all
Speaker 5: these all these aspects of it, and then why these
Speaker 5: things happened in the industry.
Speaker 2: But what's changed because of this industry? You know, and
Speaker 2: you know and the change that came.
Speaker 1: Because of all that ship right y'all can google it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I mean, uh so when porn hup came around,
Speaker 5: I was really like I thought, I and also it
Speaker 5: was like I was doing a lot of mom and pops.
Speaker 5: I mean we were like very family oriented industry, very
Speaker 5: small niche and when I mean but I mean it
Speaker 5: was like you knew you know the crew, you knew
Speaker 5: your crew, you knew the produce. I would go into
Speaker 5: the production studios or the companies and know the owners
Speaker 5: and hang out. You know, it's just family when you
Speaker 5: go to these award shows, like I still see a
Speaker 5: lot of my friends, you know. I put a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of myself yeah on everything, and so
Speaker 5: it is personal for me. And so when porn of
Speaker 5: come around, I was like cool. But they were also
Speaker 5: very corporate, you know, outsiders, tech guys, you know, internet dudes,
Speaker 5: they were, you know, and I just maybe I didn't
Speaker 5: embrace it even though I did, you know, I was.
Speaker 5: My website has been you know, I've had it since
Speaker 5: ninety seven, you know what I mean. I was doing
Speaker 5: emails back then. I still do emails now, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Still what your newsletters say if I go onto your
Speaker 1: website and put my email address in them.
Speaker 5: What time used to send all kinds of shit out?
Speaker 5: Used to send all kinds of ship out? And then
Speaker 5: the company the web coming down was using. I used
Speaker 5: to man, I spend so much money on my website.
Speaker 5: It was like it's just drank down to drain ship that.
Speaker 3: They websites are different now, yeah.
Speaker 2: Waited, I was building shit from scratch. I was. I
Speaker 2: was trying to I put you know, my my skin,
Speaker 2: my blessing is in it. I seemen too.
Speaker 5: So so so to ask you a question, I would
Speaker 5: all I love only fans because I think that put
Speaker 5: the power, gave the power to the in porn up
Speaker 5: to the credit that's made it to that performers.
Speaker 1: Can you know make Yeah?
Speaker 4: I had thought you blocked yourself because when I was
Speaker 4: typing it in and you weren't coming up, I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: maybe he don't want them.
Speaker 1: To well and and there and there are porn stars
Speaker 1: that have like sent removed my videos, take them down.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of things too with that website
Speaker 1: pulling amateurs.
Speaker 3: Did you see that documentary about Pornhub and kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I watched every porn doctor.
Speaker 3: It is actually my favorite. It's on Netflix right now.
Speaker 3: With that white boy.
Speaker 5: Now he's actually a big He's talking about Setti Rock
Speaker 5: to Steffetti with him.
Speaker 3: He was bringing girls from Craigslist to Miami. Oh oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and did you ever watch it? No, that's oh it's
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 1: So he was bringing these girls on craigslist, put him
Speaker 1: in the house, and you were kind of just seeing
Speaker 1: the classes angels.
Speaker 4: Not that as glad okay, okay, but kind of just
Speaker 4: seeing like the landscape, like, hey, do you want to
Speaker 4: make money?
Speaker 3: Do you want this flight?
Speaker 4: And he talks about how much turnover there was, And
Speaker 4: there was a girl in there who was twenty seven.
Speaker 4: She was like, yeah, I'm milk porn now and it
Speaker 4: taught me a lot about the landscape beforen girl literally
Speaker 4: getting BV just you know how at risk you kind
Speaker 4: of are just jumping on a plane to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, move something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's different now and the only fans that you
Speaker 5: have a little more control over it than social media.
Speaker 2: If you do it right.
Speaker 5: More girls are coming in what I saw, more business minded,
Speaker 5: you know, now they know you know how to market themselves.
Speaker 5: They use the social media savvy and only fans of
Speaker 5: savvy and how they help people market their ship. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, they're making billions of dollars. You know, the
Speaker 5: industry has always made billions of dollars in terms of
Speaker 5: sexual health, sexual enjoyment, sexual uh.
Speaker 2: Education, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Uh, I've met a ton of people who came through
Speaker 5: with good ideas, maybe poor execution or you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, And but the industry is always you know, gobbling
Speaker 2: ship up, you know, and evolving and.
Speaker 1: Evolving, getting better.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, having these these platforms like
Speaker 5: this sex sales, you know, having you know, horrible decisions
Speaker 5: and talking. I was listening, you know, I like watching
Speaker 5: people get a chance to talk beyond because then before
Speaker 5: I used to do a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love fucking little girls and you know, little
Speaker 2: white pussies and.
Speaker 1: My black dates gonna do this and that's literally.
Speaker 5: Ciche and so like limiting and boxing and you know,
Speaker 5: and people coming with their stereotypes and projections and and
Speaker 5: a lack of respect just yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean I missed Marcus Is. I wanted the respect I
Speaker 5: wanted you to, you know, it was like respect and
Speaker 5: because I would always you know, I'm a respectful motherfucker,
Speaker 5: you know, just just you know.
Speaker 2: Just show me the respect, I'll show you the love.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because I kind of felt like during
Speaker 4: this interview I was gonna want to have sex with
Speaker 4: you the whole time.
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to hug you. I want
Speaker 1: to be a friend. But then you know, and I
Speaker 1: think it's that if I see, if I happen to
Speaker 1: see you right out of here, how it can support
Speaker 1: you today.
Speaker 5: And you know, you go through a bunch I've been
Speaker 5: through a bunch of ship inside the industry and outside,
Speaker 5: so you know, you get your humble like you know,
Speaker 5: and then you get out in the world and you
Speaker 5: see what's going on and it's cool. You just want
Speaker 5: to be better at ship. You want to do things better.
Speaker 5: And it's sometimes not about you. It's about who's listening,
Speaker 5: who's who's watching, you know, who needs to looking for guidance.
Speaker 5: You know, you never know how you're gonna And I've
Speaker 5: seen you over the years. It goes beyond the sex.
Speaker 5: Second great great, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Literally inside and out? Yes, this is yeah.
Speaker 3: I would I would love to know. You said you
Speaker 3: dumped a lot into your website.
Speaker 1: How can any of our listeners support the work you've done,
Speaker 1: especially with own like that you own, How can they
Speaker 1: purchase or watch it and make sure to put money
Speaker 1: in your pockets? I mean, just stay tuned.
Speaker 5: I mean I wouldn't. I don't want people to spend
Speaker 5: money on ship that I'm not. Actually it's I mean,
Speaker 5: if you go I'm only fans, you'll see some scenes
Speaker 5: that I put up there that you know that never
Speaker 5: been released.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it right now, there we go the only fans.
Speaker 1: We can't put it in the description of this episode
Speaker 1: because I don't know if we can put only fans links,
Speaker 1: but we'll make sure to post it on Patreon. That's
Speaker 1: where you can.
Speaker 2: Find it right right right, right right right.
Speaker 5: And you know, there's there's projects I'm working on that
Speaker 5: are more mainstream, so they can support that I want.
Speaker 5: I want love it, yeah, and I'll be I'm always
Speaker 5: supporting other formers, other productions of other people doing anything
Speaker 5: in the adulta street that's positive.
Speaker 1: So he said, I'll be coming to a theater near you.
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Speaker 1: Saton aka each Hey, y'all, I'm easy. What's really say?
Speaker 1: I'm the sex, I'm a rat, a boy. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do something different. I have a bone
Speaker 1: to pick. Okay, pick the bone. I was sucking a
Speaker 1: lot of bones, but you can pick the bone.
Speaker 4: I have a bone to pick with friends that don't
Speaker 4: realize that you're not being a bad friend if you
Speaker 4: set a boundary with trauma dumping.
Speaker 1: Okay, literally when you were like, y'all god with these angles.
Speaker 4: I just got a text about how I haven't been
Speaker 4: there for somebody and girl, I feel like we give
Speaker 4: a certain amount of hours. Okay, why don't you get
Speaker 4: a certain amount of hours with me? I'm finished?
Speaker 1: How do you communicate that though, or do you or
Speaker 1: do you just like remove yourself because you've been you
Speaker 1: feel like you've been dumped on enough? Like, how do
Speaker 1: you respond to that when you reach that point? Like
Speaker 1: basically I had dubbed a few of her calls.
Speaker 4: We were in London, but when she called me today
Speaker 4: and asked me if I'm back, I literally was like, girl,
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of having a mood, like I really
Speaker 4: can't hear. And she feels like I'm not being there
Speaker 4: for her. And she basically feels like she wants to
Speaker 4: keep her business private from other friends, and I'm the
Speaker 4: one that she trusts with the info. But like, it's
Speaker 4: really hard to talk to someone that's depressed. You be
Speaker 4: on the brink of being depressed, right, and so I
Speaker 4: don't know what to say. Do I send you a
Speaker 4: therapy gift card?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 4: I feel like you gotta have some discernment and think
Speaker 4: about how much you are unloading on somebody. And I especially,
Speaker 4: I would say be in it for her.
Speaker 1: And it's it's specific to not her overall well being
Speaker 1: or depression, but it's about a nick, like it's about
Speaker 1: a man, Like if someone's going through it, it needs
Speaker 1: to pick me up.
Speaker 4: That's different than someone that's like constantly trying to figure
Speaker 4: out what they can do to, you know, not get
Speaker 4: someone's attention.
Speaker 3: But just like what did I do?
Speaker 1: What did I do wrong?
Speaker 3: And I'm not doing this blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Like waste. You know she might be with a narcissist too.
Speaker 1: You ain't never gonna do nothing right for these nick
Speaker 1: to me. To me, so I am very adamant actually
Speaker 1: with drawing the boundary with my friends and their partners specifically,
Speaker 1: because once you've said enough but you've stayed, baby girl,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hear about it anymore.
Speaker 1: So like to me, when it comes to the friendships
Speaker 1: that I have, specifically, our friendships are able to exist
Speaker 1: depending like beyond whoever you're dating or not. But to me,
Speaker 1: once you've come to me about how this nigga and
Speaker 1: did you wrong? Did you wrong again? Did you wrong again?
Speaker 1: Like I got to the point where I stopped talking
Speaker 1: to my friends about That's why y'all motherfuckers heard it?
Speaker 1: My friends wasn't hearing nothing about my ex memo, No, bitch,
Speaker 1: you don't even win back? How many times? So I
Speaker 1: even stopped sharing with my friends because this was a
Speaker 1: person that I knew, all right at this end of
Speaker 1: the day, I keep going back.
Speaker 3: Nobody else to hear that shit.
Speaker 1: But no, and I get that, like nobody like that.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right and we know it. But so
Speaker 1: I'm telling you as a friend, I love you dearly
Speaker 1: to all my friends. This is this is literally how
Speaker 1: I communicated to my friends. Friend al, I'll be like, friend, bitch,
Speaker 1: you know I love you. Right, Let's talk about your
Speaker 1: career the next trip. We going on the size genes
Speaker 1: you can now fit into the tiktoks that we fucking
Speaker 1: come across. Share all the memes you want a baby girl,
Speaker 1: that nigga not not here, brut on my phone? That
Speaker 1: about someone we know. Literally I have to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. Let's go on Instagram. Look at
Speaker 1: this bitch. What a way awful. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: I have removed for so many of my friends, especially
Speaker 1: when they choose to stay with a guy for eons.
Speaker 1: So it's where, oh bit, you're not gonna leave him
Speaker 1: until you ready. You're not gonna waste my my three
Speaker 1: minutes on that ship. Hold boys do.
Speaker 3: On the contrary, what.
Speaker 4: My homeboys when they're feeling hurt, they call me about
Speaker 4: how wacko bitch was okay, are almost a little too much,
Speaker 4: and it starts to become a little triggering because I'm like,
Speaker 4: is a nigga talking about me like this is a
Speaker 4: nigga talking about me like this one of you. But also, baby,
Speaker 4: you were so into her last month.
Speaker 1: Now she's trash. Now she's I literally had. One of
Speaker 1: my homeboys was like, oh my god, this bitch I
Speaker 1: hallo sex worker energy now and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: understand she's a bottle girl. Wow. How fye.
Speaker 3: Your first date was a vacation that you took her on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Standard do you think?
Speaker 1: You said?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: A trick? I think that there is. You can definitely
Speaker 1: dump on your friends too much about your relationship, but
Speaker 1: I think as the friend instead of dubbing the calls
Speaker 1: to where now she doesn't feel hurt or scenes