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Speaker 1: Guess what decision. We're about to make horrible decisions, but

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Speaker 1: I can't moan. We have to start the episode that way. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Horrible Decisions. We have to start this way

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Speaker 1: because that's what he thought this was about. Today.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 1: Thirty in the morning, but you thought that you was

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Speaker 1: gonna have us moaning today.

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Speaker 3: Y'all, welcome to another episode of Horrible Decisions.

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Speaker 1: I'm your girl, Mady b.

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Speaker 3: I'm weezy.

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Speaker 1: Y'all.

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Speaker 3: We are so hyped to this episode.

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Speaker 4: And all right, As each year of Horrible goes on,

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Speaker 4: the guests get even better, but also we get with

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Speaker 4: city girls, and for us today it's today.

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hold you to you being here ages

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Speaker 1: us only because we have literally wanted to this year. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: we've had so many great horn legends sit with us,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's when we also identify our own audience.

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Speaker 1: We'd be like, damn these niggas are and oh yeah, plus,

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Speaker 1: we ain't got no your nigs.

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Speaker 4: They'd be like, oh my god, this is my They

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Speaker 4: start putting in the request they see Havanna.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, get icele fuck, get Jada, get matter what,

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Speaker 1: get mister Marcus, I can't even believe you it did.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. When she said I'm working on

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Speaker 1: mister Marcus, I was like, and what holdo? How are

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Speaker 1: you working all him? How did you do I have

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Speaker 1: to do to was? So I just want to share

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let me just ask this. When I hit

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Speaker 4: on horrible. You rode back and We're like, can you

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Speaker 4: explain to me? And I was like, oh you niggas corn?

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Speaker 1: Did you did you know? No?

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Speaker 5: No, I mean I was peeping game because I don't

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been around a long time, you know,

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Speaker 5: So I've watched some things get established and see agendas

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Speaker 5: and I see different subjects, and I've also seen porn

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Speaker 1: One. Yeah, I mean I think I think that's the

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Speaker 2: Know, but yeah, that's that, that's where it's at.

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Speaker 4: Coming up though, like it's crazy because I didn't realize

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Speaker 4: your crossover. I think because in my brain I only

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Speaker 4: watched Blackborns, so I always felt like, mister Marcus is

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Speaker 4: like our secrets, right. And then when I was thinking

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Speaker 3: Goes, didn't I they write it like a guide.

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Speaker 4: And that's when I realized, like, oh, that is bigger

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Speaker 1: And but your your book. I wanted going from being

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Speaker 2: I'm a reader. I love you know, you know, I

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Speaker 1: And how long did it take you to me?

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Speaker 4: But that's really like what I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 4: Wait, of course you know you share Beyonce's birthday because

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Speaker 2: Got it from now?

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Speaker 1: One of the things that was the most shocking, and

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Speaker 1: ever seen, mister Marcus.

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Speaker 3: Did you really do eighteen hundred films?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it flew.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so from ninety four to what year?

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Speaker 1: That's still too much. That's still eighteen hundred and is

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Speaker 1: there even eighteen hundred days between that? Here's the real

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Speaker 4: Fucking every day, and I feel like I'm almost jumping past,

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Speaker 5: Even m I mean because I always tell people, you know,

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Speaker 3: Ooh we know that whenever we was getting dicklas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, But what is bad sex to you?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Because out of all those eighteen hundred films, there's no

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Speaker 5: I mean, bad sex is no chemistry? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: Oh you know, there's no reciprocation, you don't feel like

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Speaker 3: Then are you having good sex imporn?

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Speaker 2: You can? You know you can because you have.

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Speaker 4: A style of fucking. It to me seems like a performance.

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Speaker 4: So when watching it, I'm like, oh shit, but are

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Are you in it? Can you forget the cameras.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's what you want. That's what you want. Ah,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing a sex club. I told you

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Speaker 1: I want it forever. Do you ever get good Kuchie?

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Speaker 1: Or have you gotten it to where on set it

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Speaker 2: To you know, you were going out after this?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I would even be in the middle of the scene.

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, this is mine? Right?

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Speaker 1: Wait what you meant it? I would mean it just

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Speaker 1: to get it confirmed. But you know, who are those

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Speaker 3: They got that? Who got that good?

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Speaker 2: Puss?

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Speaker 1: Who got it?

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Speaker 5: Who had that good? I mean you said you had

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Speaker 5: a ban on a while ago. You know Van is awesome?

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Speaker 1: You know that's right?

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Speaker 2: Heathern Hunter.

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Speaker 5: Okay, she's all right, icon man, iconic, you know, beyond

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Speaker 5: I was into. She was European, Sylvia, Saint Sylvia sat. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Check? Check Republicans?

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Speaker 4: So wait, you said Heather Hunter, everything about like beyond

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Speaker 4: or good beyond the sex?

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Speaker 1: What is I mean?

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Speaker 5: Because we would kick it beyond you know, we were like,

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Speaker 5: we met, We just clicked, you know, we were hanging

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Speaker 5: It was more like just us doing our thing. The

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Speaker 5: chemistry was there. She was on the contract with Vivid

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Speaker 1: Okay, in my head, other Hunter is like a fourn

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Speaker 3: But maybe because she didn't make it into two thousands

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Speaker 2: Oh no, she didn't, she didn't push.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So when it comes to that era of porn

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Speaker 4: for you, how what were some changes you saw from

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Speaker 4: like nineties to two thousands, like describe your first shoot

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Speaker 4: to the last?

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Speaker 2: Oh right, right, right?

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Speaker 5: I mean the first I mean, I think the big

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Speaker 5: change was social media Internet.

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Speaker 2: You know. When I came in, we.

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Speaker 5: Were VHS you know what I mean, it was VHS

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Speaker 1: You were only then even available or known to people

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Speaker 1: who went to those stories, right, so you were you

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't even. I wasn't. There wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't even want to use the word porn star.

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Speaker 2: You know. So that's that's the air that I you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Liked the pumps? And only he get like, uh, what's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know it may work for people. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: Some crazy shit.

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Speaker 5: It's the camera, you know, gonna get in the way,

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Speaker 5: is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I would direct sometimes depending on what they wanted. You know,

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Speaker 2: To do this?

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Speaker 5: Favorite scenario is always like a dominant submissive thing. Okay,

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Speaker 5: know the girls, she's she's her boyfriend, her husband owes

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Speaker 1: I love them, yea, what is all? My god?

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Speaker 3: And now she has to fucking fuck you to pay.

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Speaker 5: Off your day that she kind of don't want to,

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Speaker 3: And he's on the set watching you.

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Speaker 1: That's not you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He kind of he sends her over there and she's

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Speaker 5: like she shows up like, yeah, I gotta you know,

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Speaker 2: I know we owe you, but I want to handle it.

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Speaker 2: I want to take care of.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Remember I don't.

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Speaker 4: I love it, but see, honestly, when things are consensual,

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Speaker 4: I hate that. That's true. But like I'll start doing

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Speaker 4: it in my own house. Last night I forgot. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to eat meat right now, just fish. I

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Speaker 3: He's like, I thought you was begging Sam, and I

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Speaker 1: I know I have to make it up to you.

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Speaker 1: I've been so bad.

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Speaker 3: He's like, Bitch, I'm hungry. I won't fitch, but I.

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Speaker 4: Feel like when you have a true sub and you

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Speaker 4: you can't help it, it's everything Like I want to

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Speaker 1: Oh my good.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of witch, Witch, we had Joanna Angeline a few

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Speaker 4: Was there ever stuff? Because I never really seen you

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Speaker 4: in that, oh like hard what's some of your most

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Speaker 5: I did a movie called rough Sex, and that came

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Speaker 5: out maybe ninety ninety nine, but it was it was

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Speaker 5: it's me and like three girls or four girls.

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Speaker 2: They all had to be like submissive, and I just had.

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Speaker 5: To dominate the funk out and so it was cool

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Speaker 5: because it got it got you know, as a black man,

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Speaker 2: Oh that in that time, you know what year was,

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Speaker 5: Like ninety seven ninety eight. Wow, And it wasn't that.

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Speaker 5: You know, there was people that was like a little backlash,

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Speaker 3: Got a backlash for that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they supposedly took it off the shelves

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Speaker 1: Of went, but is it because it was too like

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Speaker 1: it was into racing. Were you hitting them?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but you know, I like the smack ass.

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Speaker 5: That's just something I.

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Speaker 1: Think every man would have dick.

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Speaker 3: I pulsed. Even my game friends like.

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Speaker 5: You like that, you know you want to hit it.

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Speaker 3: It took us all. Wow, by the way, she's a

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Speaker 3: little gay. Look the way who just hit your hands?

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Speaker 1: Sir? No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, that just that smack right. I read like some

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Speaker 4: of the chapters in your book, What Women Want? Would

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Speaker 4: you say, because I want to talk about how.

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Speaker 3: The men can be too rough today?

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Speaker 1: Would you say, though.

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Speaker 4: Percent of most women want to be dominated. What have

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Speaker 4: you learned in your time?

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Speaker 5: If they if they trust you, if you know what

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: If you're confident in what you're doing, you know what

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Speaker 5: you're doing. So I said, there's a majority women just

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Speaker 5: want to be in good hands, you know what I mean, Ballad.

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Speaker 4: Have you had moments where women are asking you for

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Speaker 4: something that's a little too much? Like a friend of

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Speaker 4: mine told me he doesn't like to close fists, but

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Speaker 4: some girls.

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Speaker 1: Literally I don't want nobody wait punching, that's that's not mo. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I had a I was fucking this one girl, o Nique,

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Speaker 5: that's her name. I love Monique and we used to

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Speaker 5: always have great time. And then just one you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm sucking her and she just hold off and hit me.

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Speaker 1: Hit you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she just closed her open hand. I think it

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Speaker 5: I stopped and everybody, like the camera guy was like, sorry,

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Speaker 5: she was in it, oh she was. I was like,

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Speaker 5: how how then so that happened? You say, you have

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Speaker 5: I actually walked outside. I walked outside and the director,

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Speaker 5: she came out as a female director too, because I

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Speaker 5: guess she was. She was all into it. You're like,

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Speaker 5: oh that was.

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Speaker 1: That was good?

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Speaker 2: You're good.

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Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, just give give and we ended

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Speaker 2: But it caught me off.

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Speaker 1: God. So then, I know, for for women especially going in,

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Speaker 1: well there was normally talks about boundaries.

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Speaker 2: Well now, I mean now way more.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't a conversation then. But was there ever

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Speaker 1: boundaries that you said, I mean, you know, or were

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Speaker 1: you allowed to? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, I mean that's the whole point. The whole thing was.

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Speaker 5: You know, porn was evolving. You know, we were getting

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Speaker 2: The Internet was changing things. Internet companies were coming in.

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Speaker 5: They had a whole different way of how they shot porn,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, they didn't need to they

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Speaker 5: weren't letting performance perform. They usually had it all structured

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Speaker 5: and timed and then Vanna kind.

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Speaker 4: Of said something like that about performing, like she kept

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Speaker 4: saying that word. I think about how like the stars

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Speaker 4: porn stars, like I was working, and I can see

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Speaker 4: what you mean, like how they've got things structured.

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Speaker 1: Out to its way more struss elms.

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Speaker 3: Did you have a day off?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we get into eighteen hundred films.

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Speaker 4: How do you get because who are the most famous

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Speaker 4: Let's just think famous corn stars period.

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Speaker 1: Male. If there's a top five, who is oh name,

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Speaker 1: I say, you're in there for sure?

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Speaker 3: Who's that white, old white guy?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know nothing. He's not old.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait wait Ron Jeremy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Ron Ron was around in the early

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Speaker 3: That's the casting couch guy, right, No, he's the guy

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Speaker 3: that's in jail.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, I'm just thinking of someone with a

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Speaker 1: gun in my head? Was like name five mail for right?

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Speaker 5: No, I was, I would say Lexington Still, yes, okay,

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Speaker 5: he's definitely you three more. You know, I'm a you know,

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Speaker 5: a mentor to me with Shawn Michaels. Okay, you know

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Speaker 5: early nineties. But he still kind of performs so almost Wow,

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Speaker 5: forty years later, you're still going, yeah, yeah, Sewan Sean's

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Speaker 2: He's a legend. You know porn. You know Sean Sewn, Michaels,

448
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 2: Peter North was, Oh, I know that.

449
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was, you know, another guy ran

450
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 5: the eighties, I mean eighties, nineties.

451
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean now you know, now you got a lot

452
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 2: of guys Maxwell, Isaiah Maxwell.

453
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: Didn't he win?

454
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 2: He won? Yeah? Yeah, And you know, and then you

455
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: mentioned Jason Love earlier.

456
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 5: You know, he's the guy that's really ah been able

457
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 5: to take social media and shape it. Yeah, before a

458
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 5: lot of adult stars couldn't do that, you know what

459
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 5: I mean, they weren't. It wasn't mainstream. I think I

460
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 5: think it's just you know, now, with podcasts and the

461
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 5: way that social media works, things come in little snippetsy.

462
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: I watch you know, I watched it.

463
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 3: You wait, you watch porn?

464
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 2: I like? I like I like watching. If I come

465
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: across it, yeah, I watch, you like.

466
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 5: I like that.

467
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: Can you watch your own films?

468
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 5: Every once in a long blue moon, if I come

469
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 5: across some people send me ship all the time, So

470
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 5: I had to like stop, I had to take my tag.

471
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: You know, you couldn't tag me and ship because people

472
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: would tag me like crazy and like I.

473
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: Need a break.

474
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 3: So what kind of who are your favorite porn stars

475
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: that are kind of new like today?

476
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I love Kazumi because I've I've

477
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 2: known her before.

478
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 1: She you know, she is such a sweetie.

479
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just she's good people.

480
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: She gives me that haavana and she's very girl.

481
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 5: Honest, she's been you know, she's another one too social

482
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 5: media and just kind of like you know, she'd showed

483
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 5: when she went surgeries. You know, she when she had

484
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 5: good times and she's bad times, she includes the fans

485
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 5: and her ship.

486
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: I think that's what I love about her. I think

488
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: she genuinely is excited and loves sex and loves what

489
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: she does. I think for even growing up right, And

490
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: I want to ask you as well, your family finding

491
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: out Back in the nineties early two thousands, sex work,

492
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: stripping doing doing any type of sex work was shunned.

493
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: It was looked down upon, or people assumed that women

494
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: were doing it because of trauma or because something happened

495
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: to or this was the last resort I.

496
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: Was thinking the office, I was really hearing if you

497
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: was a man, because that yeah, as a man, what

498
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: was that like for you and getting in and how

499
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 3: your family viewed it?

500
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: Mmm? My family? You know, my family they don't ever

501
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: like you know, it's weird.

502
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: Okay, what are they like? Are they like churchy? Are

503
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: they Caribbean?

504
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 5: My mom is probably real churchy? But my mom was

505
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, I hate me saying this, but my mom

506
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 5: was a woman like who seemed to be very sexual,

507
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like you know, yeah, because

508
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 5: I came across these polaroids of her and she was

509
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 5: in lingerie or whatever, and I was.

510
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: Like figuring out, parents are humans, right? I know, clearly

511
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: you had to have sex for me to be here,

512
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: but I don't even want to think about.

513
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: It, right.

514
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 5: It was like okay, all right, so yeah, you know,

515
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 5: and so that's where I get it from, you know

516
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 5: what I mean, like wholereditary.

517
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: Kind of you know for me, you know, but I

518
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: think I was always kind of sexual.

519
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 5: I was always attracting sexual energy when I was even

520
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 5: when I was younger. So I was just I don't know,

521
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 5: when I discovered the adult business, I kind of just

522
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 5: went off that was like this is in ninety three.

523
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: You got me. It was like there wasn't you couldn't

524
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: tell your friends, hey, you see this new video. It

525
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: wasn't like that. It was something very personal, you know

526
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: what I mean? And it was for me. It was

527
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: more like I wanted to explore that. I wanted to

528
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: see what that was about.

529
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: What was the first piece? Like was it stripping? Was

530
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: it pictures?

531
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: M the first It was two things. One I was

532
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: dancing to come and talk to me the remix.

533
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: And talk to me. I really wanted. I liked, you

534
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: really want to know you man?

535
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 5: You danced that I danced in a private setting or

536
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 5: it was like we were at it was a contest

537
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 5: and we went to this club. Me and my homeway

538
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 5: went to this club and it was like a contest

539
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: of like a talent contest. And I love that song

540
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 5: and I used to always want to dance to that,

541
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 5: so I would over and I just started dancing to

542
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 5: it on stage and all the girls can run into

543
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 5: the stage.

544
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: And and I won. So my voice were like you

545
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: do you know? They were all like you know, like

546
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: they swarm me oufterwards and the girls and they were

547
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: like cooling, do that again, did you always have this build?

548
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I mean I've been I like the gym,

549
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 5: I like going, you know, since high school.

550
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: Because I'm older. Now you will have a foreign star. Yeah,

551
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: fifty three. I do want to talk about that.

552
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: What you what is it?

553
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 5: Is it?

554
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: What is your life like?

555
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 2: Now?

556
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: How do you look so good? Thank you black don't cracker,

557
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 4: that's yes, you're right. At least so many stars i've

558
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 4: been seeing when you're right, You're right.

559
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: What is the lotion?

560
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: But what is your life like?

561
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: Now?

562
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 5: Uh? You know, it's good, it's good. You know, my

563
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: daughters are grown and it kind of kind of advise

564
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 5: them on you know, business things because they're both college educated.

565
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 5: I'm taking care of my niece right now, she's fourteen,

566
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: and that's like challenging, I'm sure, because you know, she's

567
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 5: the whole different generation. I'm working on different projects with

568
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 5: different people with Snoop, you know, me and T. I'm

569
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 5: kicking around some stuff, T Pain I work with, you know,

570
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 5: I'm just friends in different How do you go.

571
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: Then, from like we see right now a lot of

572
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: athletes going from sports to now commentating podcasts, movies, film.

573
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: What does how hard was that for you leaving adult

574
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: film industry and now getting into other industries, and do

575
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: you feel like also people respect you coming from sex work.

576
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: Because we had this conversation where and it was on

577
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: the podcast and maybe it's different for women, but I

578
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: think Lisa and probably we both talked about how once

579
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: you're in that space, it would probably be hard for people,

580
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: especially for women to be respected after that.

581
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: Right, And don't be black, no, I know, and don't

582
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: be a black woman that went into it.

583
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: So how do you walk into those spaces where you know,

584
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: everyone done senior dick, Buddha, cheek slapping, hya haya eat coaching,

585
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: How do you demand respect leaving that industry and inserting

586
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: yourself into others?

587
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean, the big thing for me is I give it,

588
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: give respect, you know iat.

589
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: You know, but you give respect and you receive it.

590
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: I think.

591
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 5: So I love think for me because I'm born and

592
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: raised here in l A and I've been you know,

593
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 5: and all kinds of hoods with all kinds of brothers

594
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: and sisters, partying and talking business and helping cats out,

595
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 5: looking out for motherfuckers. So I think just naturally by

596
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 5: nature that I just wanted to show, you know, I

597
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 5: treat people how I want to be treated.

598
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 4: Do you think it has to do with the level

599
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: to which you did porn, because because you did it

600
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: at its highest level, which for example, for Mandy and

601
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: I I feel like the first two years, maybe the

602
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: three years of the show, we were just holding on

603
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: a podcast, and then once they realized how much money

604
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: will make it and we started other businesses and TV,

605
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: they were like, then there came respect. I've inspired.

606
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 5: You bet, just talking to people everybody fucking I mean,

607
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 5: that's how we got here, you know, And that's what

608
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 5: we do while were here, you know what I mean.

609
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: And so you know, you build a family that way.

610
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 5: And sexuality is a part of who we are. It's

611
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: just a part of our nature. It's the same way

612
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 5: like we like different types of food and our clothing

613
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 5: and our friends. We like our sex a certain way,

614
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: you know. We know we like you know, physically, and

615
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 5: what we like mentally, and we want to find tune that.

616
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 5: And you're always constantly exploring that, you know what I mean.

617
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 5: I think for me, I just kind of did it publicly,

618
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And.

619
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: I did it openly, you know in this era of

620
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: today's point, now you see it. How come you had

621
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 4: it jump back in?

622
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's yeah, I mean coming back around

623
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: I think goes.

624
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: My family was like my family was like a big

625
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: part of like it was kind of like because I

626
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 5: was because at one point I just did you know,

627
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: there wasn't all that thing.

628
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't that attend it was it was more private.

629
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: It was.

630
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: You were going out to eat waffles. And the women

631
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: was like that's the smarts.

632
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean men and you know they kind of

633
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 5: they went with it, you know, like it Yeah, they

634
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 5: probably they probably.

635
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: They probably preferred not to have all that.

636
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

637
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: So now I'm way more low key, you know what

638
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 2: I mean.

639
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: I don't want it, you know, I'd like to just

640
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 5: roll in, handle ship, see people, see what's up, and

641
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 5: then bounce.

642
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: So even though you see the landscape of ownership and

643
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: the money that is now being able to be made,

644
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: the respect for your family is what's keeping you not

645
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: getting back into.

646
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: The industry right now, if you know, the one thing

647
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: is I do own a lot of content, I own them,

648
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: but you.

649
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 5: Own a lot of ye that.

650
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: On the table literally, Wait, so how were you able

651
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: to how were you able to do that?

652
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: Because even when We talked to a lot of the

653
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: porn legends who are working in the nineties and early

654
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: two thousands. You got your day rate, but there was

655
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: like no equity. You were a part of owning anything.

656
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: These companies owned a lot of that work. How are

657
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: you able to audi? Because I'd always do I would

658
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: shoot for people, then I would shoot for myself. Oh directing, yeah, yeah,

659
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: and I owned it and I paid for it, so

660
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I just shoot

661
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: mainstream stuff amateur ship just you know, first time.

662
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: But what did that?

663
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: What did that? What did that?

664
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: Then?

665
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: Distribution and ROI look like it was?

666
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: It was? And then nobody teaches these things when I

667
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like producer packets and all that.

668
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, they would give me budgets

669
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: and I would shoot these movies.

670
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: And you know what a movie budget for pornb like

671
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: yeah it right now, ship, I don't know, no, right now,

672
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: it's cheap.

673
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 5: But back then, yeah, back then you can spind up.

674
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 5: You know, maybe it's still kind of cheap. But twenty

675
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: twenty five thousand, you know, but what way? Way?

676
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: Now I need a lot I want to talk about it.

677
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: So I met with Johnny Darko, I have a TV

678
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: show where I cover how people make.

679
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: Money from sex.

680
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I saw that and yeah you see yeah sex cells,

681
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: which I I want to thank you.

682
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: And they fucking told me that these girls, no matter

683
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: how big they are today, are not making more than

684
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: twenty five hundred dollars. Johnny Darko was paying these dudes

685
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: in a gang or blowbank three fifty five hundred six hundred.

686
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: So then where's the budget if you're saying it's twenty

687
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: that because because the talent is not getting a lot

688
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: of that money. No, No, I mean you.

689
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is you probably would spend it

690
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: on location.

691
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: Okay, you spend on your crew, your wardrobe, post production,

692
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: post production wardrobe, wardrobe is crazy.

693
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they cut all that shit out.

694
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: Is extensive.

695
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: Logerai Bro, you could get this.

696
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I paid for Lemna and I we did an Amazon

697
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: thing all show me how you make pork that He's right,

698
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean, but you could get cheap lingerie Bro. If

699
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: I got a budget, we going the Amazon Prime route

700
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: or to she and route.

701
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: We're just gonna wait two weeks to get it. At

702
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 5: one point, man, motherfuckers were making like like epic movies.

703
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 5: Like they were like spind in a week on production.

704
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: Hair, which I always said, don't be looking good?

705
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: What do think? That is twenty five k?

706
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: And basically, so you're leading it as the director. Have

707
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: you ever directed porn that you were in?

708
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: Oh?

709
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what are you doing? Are you just like yo,

710
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: like gets the turn? But while you're fucking do you

711
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 4: direct or do you start talking something?

712
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: Well? You try to hire your crew.

713
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: You know, I hear a lot of mainstream directors be like,

714
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: I want to thank my crew because your crew is key.

715
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 5: Your crew is going to get the shots, they're going

716
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: to make sure the lighting is right, They're going to

717
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: take a lot of the work, you know, so you

718
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: don't have to focus on that. And as a performer,

719
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: you want to just focus on performing. So you kind

720
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 5: of want to have it all kind of mapped out

721
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: what you're going to do. You want your crew like

722
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 5: kind of locked in on what you know, you want

723
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 5: to have that. You want to communicate. They want to

724
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 5: know what's going to happen, and then you just want

725
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: to focus on making it happen.

726
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: So, so with a twenty five thousand dollars budget for

727
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: a scene, how much would you make on that.

728
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: I mean that for like twenty five is like you're

729
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: shooting like five or six scenes. You got about five

730
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: or six for a movie. Okay, Okay, I mean then

731
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 5: that's that was back in late nineties, early two thousands.

732
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 5: People were doing that.

733
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: And how was porn making money then from selling the DVD?

734
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: H yeah, DVD broadcast rights licensing agreements?

735
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Is that like when they're we're in the hotel press okay.

736
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 5: Streaming overseas. Wow, you know it's a global market. Uh,

737
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: they'll they'll do transcribed, you know, they'll dub it.

738
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: They dubbed porn they could yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no,

739
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: no they do. Wait, I've heard bones be thrown in,

740
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking like, oh yeah, they definitely be throwing

741
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no one's about this moving. This is

742
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: this is all I hate. This is from another sea.

743
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: I hate it.

744
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I hate dubble. How do you mean that?

745
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: I mean, are you a part of that part where

746
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: you be like low quiet here at the moane?

747
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: How you done that before?

748
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 5: Uh?

749
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: Like have you ever voiceover moons?

750
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think, you know, because I hated it,

751
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: So I want to always hire a netror when I

752
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 5: just sit in there and fix that, you know, wipe

753
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 5: that out.

754
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: But now I don't think I never did eighty.

755
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: R from eighty rs.

756
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: When they go back in and basically let's just say

757
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: they want to change words in a movie.

758
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to think. It's like he was in

759
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: your ass and you didn't say it.

760
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Go back to show.

761
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: You need to say, yeah, that's that's that's true, and

762
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 5: be like, hey, I need you to say, okay, put

763
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 5: it in my ass.

764
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: All right. She's like, put in my ass? All right?

765
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: What is now? You got it? Now?

766
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: You gotta things to say?

767
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: Porn, like, what is common porn? Dirty talk?

768
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Give me?

769
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 3: I feel like when we make a joke about it, it's.

770
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: Give me that, you know.

771
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: I was thinking, man, God, I gotta be like because

772
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: they'd be like, oh my god, oh my god, be like,

773
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 5: you know, guys will like stop using my name.

774
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: Oh no, you hate what a woman says? Oh my god. Yeah,

775
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: the girls. I mean, if that's something spiritual, I mean,

776
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: that's something.

777
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: Listen, be spiritual. If you making me see some ship,

778
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: I think so too.

779
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: But oh my god, ship when we did sex in France,

780
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 4: they I said what do you think girls say? American

781
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: girls say oh my god, DC, oh my god, and

782
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 4: that must be some ship we do. So, oh my god,

783
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 4: what's another way you hate it?

784
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: When they said that? When the girl she said, and

785
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: she's like, every voice get hired and ship, I'm like,

786
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: where we going? That sound like? Will you? Will you

787
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: be saying how you sound? I imagine you say, fuck,

788
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: that's I imagine you being like that. I imagine look

789
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: see you just literally said that's that's you.

790
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: That's you.

791
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: Has there ever been anything said that turned you off?

792
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: And and also because you were doing inter racial we

793
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: just had this conversation with with that turner. But have

794
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: you been called the N word?

795
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: I mean there was one time a girl you know,

796
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 5: that was their whole deal. She would call you that

797
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 5: a white woman. Yeah, wait, there was a deal for it,

798
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 5: so you wouldn't she she.

799
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: You know, I showed up thinking she can't go call

800
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: me that? So you know what? And then the director

801
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: was pissed because I.

802
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: Was like, you know, she ain't gonna do that ship

803
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: with me telling you that right now?

804
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he thought I was on some arrogant ship.

805
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, bro, was the director white?

806
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: You know?

807
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: And whatever. I mean, it is what it was.

808
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: But I was like, nah.

809
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: I was like, so you threw the boundary at race play,

810
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: but is there any other thing? I mean, we can do.

811
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: We can do the race play thing, but you ain't

812
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: gotta call me yeah, because I.

813
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: Think race play if it's in a different dynamic, because

814
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: we're already listening to race play with big black hops, let's.

815
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: Be yeah one hundred. I like, give me that little

816
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: white plassy white.

817
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: That little white plissic crazy because it's paint.

818
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: Here to take this OA has that made you laugh

819
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: when someone was trying to do dirty So.

820
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: Probably I always talking about this thing I said to

821
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: a man that made him die laughing and I hate it.

822
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: But I was coming and I said, oh my god,

823
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: please keep sucking to come out of me. He was

824
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: laughing so hard, and I was like, what did I

825
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: say to Are you not fucking to come out?

826
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: Like?

827
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'm just some curious in role

828
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 4: play because you gotta really be fast on your toes.

829
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be sucking up words. I've literally said my

830
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: dick before.

831
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I was gonna say, Like usually

832
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: you know you and if you if I'm we fucking

833
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: just gonna come to you.

834
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: You're gonna come up with some sh you just gonna

835
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: stay so shit and be like no, did I say

836
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: He'll be like huh my plussy, my plussy, That's what

837
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: I meant.

838
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: Like I've been fucking absolutely said the wrong thing.

839
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, oh, you know what I do want

840
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: to ask hery did you ever have because we talked

841
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: about rules, Mandy was talking about rules. What were your

842
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: nose for scenes you wouldn't do, whether it be ain'tal play,

843
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 4: pegging maybe like not solo scenes.

844
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: Like you just squided your face when she said that

845
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: pegan and I don't know, was there stuff that you like?

846
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wasn't none of those things.

847
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 4: But like, were there things that they maybe wanted you

848
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: to do that you were like on the same type

849
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: maybe DVP whatever.

850
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you've eighteen probably I probably would

851
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 5: be like yeah, I mean I think I was also,

852
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 5: like I said, once you fucking once she dicks out,

853
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 5: she's going doing anything.

854
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: You get more open to doing ship because you just

855
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: want to do.

856
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Ship, especially if it's good.

857
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: It's good ship. You like, hey, baby, yeah you can

858
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: you can do that.

859
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: You can do what you want to do, do whatever

860
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: you want to be.

861
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: So then so then because you ahead, yeah, what were

862
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: your nose?

863
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: I mean I wasn't. I wasn't into it. I wasn't

864
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 5: in the pagan I mean, the DPS would kind of

865
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 5: just happen, you know what I mean, You'd be like,

866
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 5: I want to fuck it too, so so you know,

867
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: she'd be like, come on fucking. So some things just

868
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: kind of ended up in that situation. But I mean specifically,

869
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: I just wanted.

870
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: To be comfortable.

871
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: Were there scenes they asked you to do that you

872
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 4: said no too? Or maybe as the years went on,

873
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: did the price get higher for gay porn for you?

874
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: Or like had they ever been like, please please, mister markets,

875
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: we do this.

876
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: I think I pretty much said I'm straight and even

877
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: and I think maybe earlier on they thought would you

878
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 5: and I was like nah, and it wasn't ever you know,

879
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 5: brought up again, So I didn't have it wasn't put

880
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 5: in that position, you know what I mean.

881
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: I love that you weren't.

882
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: Pressing yeah me, because I feel like today, with fluidity

883
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: and somebody.

884
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: To celebrate, I think it's way different now it is.

885
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: I think there's you know there's a lot more bisexuality

886
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 5: and crossover, and you know there's way more now and

887
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 5: a lot more.

888
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about money outside of that? Like Jason told

889
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 4: us a crazy as story that, Oh my god. I

890
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: even told Mandy I wanted to cut it out, but

891
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 4: I liked because it was incest. So for me, I

892
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: was just like dad paying you the fuck this kid

893
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: is disgusting.

894
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: But and wife, Yes see when I like I said,

895
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: I got out around twenty ten eleven, and then I

896
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 5: kept seeing other shit kind of going like I wasn't

897
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: in the cock holds. Oh ever, yeah I think I

898
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 5: did one.

899
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

900
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you asked to do? Offset?

901
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying, What are you like?

902
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: Offset? What have you been asked to doing? How much

903
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: money did they offer?

904
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: People are freak?

905
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: We know, God like, please fuck my wife? How was

906
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: the freakiest request that you've gotten? And how much they

907
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: offered you?

908
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 5: I mean there was They didn't pay me anything. But

909
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 5: I remember there was this woman. She was an Asian woman,

910
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 5: and I don't even know how I met her, but

911
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 5: I just remember me and her had our thing and

912
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: then she said I want you to meet my husband,

913
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 5: And I was like, are you sure this is this?

914
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't.

915
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 5: I had never met nobody's husband. I mean, fucking girls

916
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 5: wise whatever, I never met the husband. It was always

917
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 5: on some download ship. And so this was gonna be

918
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 5: the first time I met the dude. And I remember

919
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: we're gonna go to the club and so uh so

920
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: we met in the parking lot and he was like, Hey,

921
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 5: you're gonna ride with us to the club?

922
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Was nah? He was a white dude.

923
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 5: White dudes, okay, like sh and so so I remember

924
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: I got in the back seat and then she hopped

925
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 5: in the back seat with me.

926
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, what do you doing better get

927
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: in the front seat with your husband.

928
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like big black card?

929
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: Right?

930
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Did she did you?

931
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: Or she just sat back there.

932
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: When just got in the back seat, and then she

933
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: just was like it's cool. And I was like and

934
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 5: this was like me the you know, I'm early twenties,

935
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: so I'm.

936
00:41:53,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: Like, what the hell I'm like, but okay, so he

937
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: was driving the car.

938
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was driving the car and were driving

939
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: out the freeway and she just hooked it up like

940
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 5: she hooked.

941
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: It up, and it was just like, don't be modest

942
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: now we don't know what do you mean hooked it up?

943
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: Could you please explain this scene?

944
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 5: And she just started just going down and be like

945
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 5: and and then I looked uphim, he's got the rearview

946
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 5: mirror like frame right, And I said I would have

947
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 5: done the same thing.

948
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: I would have.

949
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: So you did do some cuckold and ship you did, Yeah,

950
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: that's okay.

951
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know cuckhold now is like a whole

952
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: different thing.

953
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could talk about this, so

954
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: we can cut it if you want.

955
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: But I want to know about sex work money outside

956
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 4: of porn, because the girls were able to strip and

957
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: do they pit stops?

958
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: They did?

959
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: But to me, I could only see a man making money,

960
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: like wanting to get paid, like for sex with couples

961
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: or women, Like did you jump into that?

962
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: And like how was it?

963
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: I was? I was bad at it?

964
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: Clearly you just did. Why were you bad at read?

965
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: You know?

966
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: I would go to like swinger parties, but I wouldn't

967
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: bring someone with me, you know what I mean?

968
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: And then they knew you and then you was just jumping.

969
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: You just was slanging dick at the swinger party.

970
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but even then I wouldn't.

971
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 5: I was still kind of, you know, kind of stand office,

972
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: like I wanted, you know, listen, if the dick ain't

973
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: in it, you know, if I'm not, if it's not

974
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: with it, why should I so into it?

975
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

976
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 5: Like, but if I'm not into it, if it ain't

977
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 5: gonna happen because I wanted to, I wanted to work.

978
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: I wanted to.

979
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: You want to actually enjoy it.

980
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: I want them to enjoy it.

981
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be reciprocated if I'm enjoying it,

982
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: If she's enjoying it, you know, it's gonna we're gonna

983
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 5: have it's gonna be moments.

984
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: So for you outside of even of course directing doing poorn,

985
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: knowing that that was a job. Outside of that, you

986
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to make sex work outside of work, right.

987
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have to. I didn't want to

988
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: be that locked to it. Like it was always like

989
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: enjoy you know what I mean?

990
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: Wow?

991
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 5: And I would come across people that made it. They

992
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: were like, oh, you're you know you're so and so so, Yeah,

993
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: we expect you to want to do these things. And

994
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 5: I'd be like, nah, they don't. That doesn't necessarily mean

995
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: that I'm gonna do anything, you know.

996
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: What I mean?

997
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: How being that, I mean, you seem like an in elections,

998
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 4: even to mention the first five minutes you're a reader.

999
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 4: Has there been moments where you were tired of being

1000
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: diminished down to your dick?

1001
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1002
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: Somebody call me a walking dick. How's kind of kind

1003
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: of uh yeah, I think No.

1004
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: It was afterwards, like I met, I did an interview

1005
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 5: with them, and then afterwards I saw like a clip

1006
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 5: where they were talking about me and they were like.

1007
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: Oh, he's just a walking dick.

1008
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 5: And I was just like wow, wow, I know, and

1009
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 5: it kind of I felt like, Okay, maybe I didn't,

1010
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 5: you know, come across, but I think I can see

1011
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 5: how like like I said, when you once, if I'm

1012
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 5: in a sexual environment, then I'm gonna be sexual, you

1013
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 5: know what I mean, I'm a I if it's if

1014
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 5: we gotta, if it's what we're trying to be, then good,

1015
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 5: let's be that, you know what I mean. And I

1016
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: just but it wasn't like maybe it looked like I

1017
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 5: switched it on switch it off. But there's always always

1018
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 5: some kind of prep that goes into it. It's some

1019
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 5: there's some kind of forethought, you know what I mean,

1020
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: And there's going to be an afterthought, and I want

1021
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 5: to and I don't want to be like bogged down and.

1022
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: Like I hate doing this.

1023
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: I was black men being diminished to their dick's side.

1024
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, listen, when I came in the industry.

1025
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 5: You know a girl that I worked with and this

1026
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 5: is you know, this was a tragic side of our industry,

1027
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 5: and it's a sad side of our industry. But she

1028
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 5: committed suicide like six months after I was in the industry,

1029
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 5: and I had worked with her, and I said, what

1030
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 5: could be so bad?

1031
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And I see how people

1032
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: get treated in.

1033
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 5: Such a negative right, and you know, a negative way

1034
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: that makes them feel less than and I was like,

1035
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: fuck that, fuck that, because there was all these cats

1036
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 5: who wanted to make.

1037
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: You feel like that.

1038
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: So how did you maintain then being in this industry specifically,

1039
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: how did you keep up with your mental health, especially

1040
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: because you were in porn in an era where mental

1041
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: health for black men was not again the topic, or

1042
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't like people weren't really going to therapy in

1043
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: the nineties like that. How did you maintain in your

1044
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: sanity while working in this industry.

1045
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 5: That's a good question. Uh well, I mean, you know,

1046
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 5: obviously if if you know and you were paying attention.

1047
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: I had a family, you know, and so that was

1048
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: the flip.

1049
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't.

1050
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't like wife and kids family.

1051
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just you know, I had, like,

1052
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, something come home to.

1053
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: And that was that not common from any male points.

1054
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. It probably was, but it

1055
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 5: wasn't as open maybe discussed, you know what I mean.

1056
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 5: You know, there wasn't this social media where you got

1057
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 5: into people's homes and had discussions, you know what I mean.

1058
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 5: And I definitely wasn't like when I realized when I

1059
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 5: first started sharing it was when I did have my daughter,

1060
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 5: and I was like, man, I got a kid, you know,

1061
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 5: but I'm still making movies, you know what. I'm making

1062
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: money to take care of this kid, you know what

1063
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 5: I mean. So I think for me, it was just

1064
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: being honest, just being it was a reality that I

1065
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 5: was dealing with. But it also it like kind of

1066
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: he lit a fire my ass to be around to

1067
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 5: know who I am, you know what I mean, to

1068
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 5: be rooted in what really matters. I knew how the

1069
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 5: point industry was like kind of someone said, they said

1070
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: this about the cruise, like we're transient, like we came

1071
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 5: and we went. And so the industry does that brings

1072
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 5: you in, kind of kicks you out. You know, the

1073
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 5: male performers of the year maybe one year and then

1074
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 5: he's not. The female performers even more so, right, you

1075
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 5: know what I mean, girls really have to carve out

1076
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 5: a niche and you know, branding. I remember, you know,

1077
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 5: my brandness, my brand net. You know, I remember when

1078
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 5: all that became a discussion, what was the normal lifespan?

1079
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: I know you've been you said you did it from

1080
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: ninety four all the way up to twenty ten. But

1081
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: for the average blackmail performer, what really was the lifespan

1082
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: of being a star in porn during your era?

1083
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 5: I mean, men last a lot longer because it's not

1084
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 5: the many men that's right to hear that, Yeah, that's

1085
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 5: pretty common, but they don't make as much. They don't,

1086
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 5: but maybe over time they can't. Okay, women have a

1087
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: two to three year you know, shelf life in our

1088
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 5: industry at that during my era. But then it's also

1089
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 5: like there's an emotional and physical.

1090
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: That comes with this wan to date outside of porn.

1091
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, just trying to Now you're

1092
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 5: more famous, you're recognizable, you know what I mean.

1093
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: You know, if you build a brand, you kind of

1094
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: locked into that. You know.

1095
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 5: I admire someone like Lisa An who's able to like

1096
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 5: you know, she's but she's also tapped into what she

1097
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 5: really loves, which is sports. Yeah, you know what I mean,

1098
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,479
Speaker 5: killing it and so you know she and she also

1099
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 5: kind of she built up a name with when she

1100
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 5: was doing that Sarah Sarah Palin thing.

1101
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: What black women do you think are adjacent to Lisa?

1102
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: Because T. S.

1103
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 4: Madison is the only yes person I could think that's

1104
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 4: done porn woman that's done porn, and she's a trans

1105
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: woman that's done porn and crossed over.

1106
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, I was gonna mention it earlier.

1107
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: I like Missy Stone. Ah, she's wow crazy you know.

1108
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 3: Is Missy Stone acting?

1109
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: She's acting? Yes, she actually did theater.

1110
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1111
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 4: Good people brought up when I asked them questions for you,

1112
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 4: they brought up Missy Stone. So it's that's funny you

1113
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: brought her name up. There is one question I'm sure

1114
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: you're tired of answering. But you are the reason that

1115
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 4: we noticed superhead.

1116
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: It's up crazy.

1117
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that was that video?

1118
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: That was I just came up a new word too. People.

1119
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: I don't know it's word, but they were like superhand.

1120
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: I was like underdome.

1121
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: I liked it actually to me, it was a great evolution,

1122
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: a great book. Yeah, he rates to.

1123
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 5: Get your coins, but not for us. Hell, she's a

1124
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 5: great writer, an incredible writer. And she you know, you know,

1125
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 5: I was reading what you know, she knows her audience,

1126
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Uh, she's you know, she's

1127
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 5: she's well like she's been around, she's you know.

1128
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: So what was that like?

1129
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: How did first of all as her just being an

1130
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 3: industry secret, finally doing it on camera?

1131
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: How was it?

1132
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: You?

1133
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: Was it?

1134
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1135
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: No other option? It was like mister Marcus, but not

1136
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: only that. How was that set up?

1137
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1138
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 5: Shout out to Suaveave triple X because he did a

1139
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 5: scene with her in New York and then I was

1140
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 5: shooting mister Marcus neighborhood which was all new Black girls.

1141
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1142
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, mister Marx neighborhood was all new Black girls that

1143
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 5: do antal, which we found out that was hard to

1144
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 5: do you must.

1145
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: Have made You said that was hard to do. It

1146
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: was hard to his biggest fun.

1147
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: To be going in a long new booty. Yes, you

1148
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: need to test first. It was fun when it was fun,

1149
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: but it was like bad when it was bad.

1150
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 5: It was like it was no in between. It was

1151
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: like he was either into it or you wasn't. And

1152
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 5: the girls that we were trying to find at the

1153
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 5: time that wasn't. That was like there wasn't a large

1154
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 5: pool of girls that were doing any So, so when

1155
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 5: Korean came around, it was really just about getting new

1156
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 5: girls and and and Sa was like, yeah, you got

1157
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 5: this girl. She brand new, she gives crazy head and

1158
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: you're gonna love it. I was like ship center by

1159
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 5: way and so uh and then we talked and we clicked.

1160
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 5: You know when she came in. She wasn't like an amateur,

1161
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 5: which I.

1162
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: Was expecting, you mean amateurs in style, like in just

1163
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: in terms of like how do I do it? You know,

1164
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: what do I do with this?

1165
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: She was like, when I think of the current suffic

1166
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 4: I think of this, Oh yeah, literally basket weed technique.

1167
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 4: Who do you think is some of the best in

1168
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: the game are giving you head that you can remember

1169
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 4: most memorable.

1170
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's I don't know.

1171
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 5: The question doesn't make really because you know it's it's

1172
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 5: it's it's very it's a selfish thing.

1173
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: It's like a real you know, it's like it's for me.

1174
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: I got my dick.

1175
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: Almost made it challenging for you to even perform where

1176
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 4: you came too fast.

1177
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean good head. I put it like this. Girls

1178
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: that are into giving head, who want to give good

1179
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: head usually give.

1180
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: Goodness every time.

1181
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: One of one of our segments is a warder. Because

1182
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: we just spoke about oral and anal, could you give

1183
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: a tip for the women on what you really enjoy

1184
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: in receiving head, And then can you give a tip

1185
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: to the men who were well and down like yourself,

1186
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: an anal tip on actually getting it in and enjoying it.

1187
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I can do that.

1188
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: Okay, he said, I could give you a sex tip.

1189
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.

1190
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: So let's start with oral than anal.

1191
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 5: Uh Oral, I think you know, I like a girl

1192
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 5: that goes deep on it. But you know, if you

1193
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 5: got a gag, reflect maybe you should turn the angle.

1194
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: And how you're doing it.

1195
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 3: Oh you turn your mouth?

1196
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 5: You mean yeah, turn your mouth and maybe have him

1197
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 5: lay in a certain certain way. Little liquor wouldn't hurt.

1198
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 5: Just relax, you know, something helps you Just relax and

1199
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 5: get into it. And if and then and then kind

1200
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 5: of like if the dude, you know, because girls can

1201
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 5: either what I learned, girls can either like start to

1202
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 5: do it and get more and more comfortable as she's

1203
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 5: doing it, and we'll get more into it. Don't rush it,

1204
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 5: don't start forcing your you know, onto it, you know

1205
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 5: what I mean? Kind of yeah, just you know, be patient,

1206
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 5: let her kind of find her way around it, Let

1207
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: her do what she wants to do.

1208
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, you fine yo around like you know, you

1209
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: might have to go around the corner. You know your

1210
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: should be okay, and you said there's directions around here. Okay,

1211
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: this is not gonna be easy for you. I'm gonna

1212
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: give you some time to figure it out. It's like

1213
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: when you go to a big house for a real

1214
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: estate agent. Just let me know what you say, take.

1215
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 3: Your time, take your time. I'll be right here. Okay.

1216
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: And then for anal uh, because you said someone were

1217
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: really bad or you did get it.

1218
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, obviously douche and clean, so that

1219
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 5: you're not really focused on that because they weren't comfortable enough.

1220
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 3: They were nervous making a mask.

1221
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 5: So, you know, make sure you feel clean so that

1222
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 5: you can relax and enjoy it. Another if you got

1223
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 5: to use loop. Everybody's different. You know, you can use

1224
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 5: a oil base or water based.

1225
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 4: Everyone's different. But your dick is huge? Did you not

1226
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 4: in your eighteen hundred films, you mainly need to use lube?

1227
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: I mean use it most of the time, right, did

1228
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 4: You're not about tell me? Ain't nobody most of the time.

1229
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 4: Most of the time you use lub.

1230
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1231
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 5: Sometimes a girl would like spit, you know what I mean.

1232
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 5: She would spin on her ship, or she'd already have

1233
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 5: it lub. She liked a certain type of loop, you

1234
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 5: know what I mean, so she would already be kind

1235
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 5: of prepped. She would use most you know, I would

1236
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 5: suggest using like a dido or something ahead of time.

1237
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: I suggest you open yourself up before you you know

1238
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: what I mean.

1239
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 4: The biggest dick I ever had, he used to try

1240
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: to say this to me, and I didn't realize it

1241
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: was because he knew how big he was. I was

1242
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: maybe early twenties in New York, and he would say,

1243
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 4: I want you to masturbate before I get there, Like,

1244
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: get yourself excited for me just now. When you say that,

1245
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, he needed me to get he needed.

1246
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Your ass opening.

1247
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, beat it?

1248
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: Can I ask you to all the anals, with the

1249
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: anal girls and the newbies, you said that a lot

1250
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: of them got in their head about making a mess.

1251
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, as a man who's had

1252
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 3: antal sex, does.

1253
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: A mess bother you? Huh? I've had.

1254
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: Is a little messy, and that's to be expected, you know.

1255
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 5: Don't don't make a big deal out of it, you

1256
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 5: know what I mean, clean it up and yeah, I

1257
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 5: be covering the ship.

1258
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: Take this ship, I mean someone that took it as

1259
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: a serious profession, I guess for sure.

1260
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1261
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: What about injuries? You ever hurt somebody till the years?

1262
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 5: I mean you accidentally, if you're rushing it, if the

1263
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 5: girl's not relaxed, not properly loved up. I was gonna say,

1264
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 5: a good position to do is like a spoon girl

1265
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 5: laying on her side, you know what I mean. It

1266
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 5: kind of takes the takes the weight and the pressure

1267
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 5: off off the you know, makes a little easier to

1268
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: get in and it doesn't you're not You're not twisting

1269
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 5: in a weird way where your ass is you know

1270
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 5: you're gonna hit, gonna poke her in the wrong way.

1271
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 5: At least she's relaxed, she's on her side, and it's

1272
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 5: a lot easier to come in from behind.

1273
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: In your normal dating life, had you had girls feel

1274
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: really insecure.

1275
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: And that's and it's like a lot of fun to

1276
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: try to make them, you know, feel secure.

1277
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: How did you do that?

1278
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: You know, just kind of like touch them in places

1279
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: they want to be touched, like where the.

1280
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: Place he was. Maybe you ever had a nigga your elbow? Listen,

1281
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: I'll be like, did you touch my elbow? Okay?

1282
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: What I love that you said it was fun to

1283
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: get them to be secure.

1284
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: What type of affirmations when a woman has been insecure

1285
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: with you that you do outside of touching them? What

1286
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: things would you say to make them more comfortable and

1287
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: feel more secure with you?

1288
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 5: I mean I laughed a lot, so I'm always you know,

1289
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: maybe with cracks, some jokes, you know, just to take

1290
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 5: away any kind of tension.

1291
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: You're being funny with a big dick is crazy.

1292
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: Because big dicks just be there because they feel like

1293
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: they ain't got to do nothing else. No, you are

1294
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: a little too smart for your dick.

1295
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: You know you read books make just last I'm looking

1296
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: for you want to pick out the flaw, and I

1297
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 4: think we do that just as humans. You see someone attractive,

1298
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 4: nice smile, You're like, I's wrong with you?

1299
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: You got six sols? What do you think your biggest

1300
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: flaw in? Sexiest?

1301
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: Sensitive? Super sensitive?

1302
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 5: Like i'd have to I really got to work backwards,

1303
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 5: you know, like not to be you know, like I

1304
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 5: think they got a thing called edging.

1305
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, if you jack.

1306
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 5: Called edges well, I mean they calling it edge it,

1307
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 5: but it's you know, it's been around since we you know,

1308
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 5: how to jack our dicks off. But you know it's

1309
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 5: much more in the you know, in the in the conversation. Now,

1310
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 5: edging is getting yourself right there but not coming. I

1311
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 5: mean you could do that, you can practice that, but

1312
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 5: I think sometimes way sensitivity just you know, wanted to come.

1313
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: I can come multiple times. So if the girl's cool

1314
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: with that, then we can you.

1315
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: Can come and play it back in. I love it. Wow,

1316
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: me too, love it. That's that is the best I'll

1317
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: be telling me, because if you ain't got more than

1318
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: one round on you. We're not fucking that is no.

1319
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean like right, no, like not immediately immediately. No time,

1320
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: ain't no guaranteed. No no, oh no no no, that

1321
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: ain't no guarantees. I always say, you have to go

1322
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: as many rounds as I can get you up right right,

1323
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: and baby, I'm gonna get you back up.

1324
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I see that.

1325
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: They said you can do what I do.

1326
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 4: I'm just like, you don't actually have a question for

1327
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 4: you being at You're fifty three and you had been

1328
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: doing poor in this this many years. So I have

1329
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: gotten in the dumbest arguments with my boyfriend because he

1330
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: likes to hold his semen.

1331
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: He don't like to come multiple times a week, right,

1332
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: and so literally I wasn't crying, but I.

1333
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: Was like, I just understand why he's like, yo, you know,

1334
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: many women would love this, but he's like really instead,

1335
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 4: he a little hole tepee.

1336
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 3: Have you found that that strengthened your stamina?

1337
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Not coming good?

1338
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: But you're right, some girls be like, hey tomorrow, oh,

1339
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: you know, I want to see the coming.

1340
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: I want to see that.

1341
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 4: It makes me so frustrated. Yeah, I want to see,

1342
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 4: like as someone i'm by a coastal. I travel so much,

1343
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: and I'm like you telling you're not gonna do this before.

1344
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: Like that's my thing. I make a mess on me.

1345
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to see it, I want to feel it.

1346
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: I want you to fingerpaint it all. That's his biggest

1347
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: I want you to feed.

1348
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: It to me.

1349
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: I like now, and I used to like, let me

1350
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: get it's it's not me right, He's just doing this. No,

1351
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: he's doing this because he wants to stamina last for you,

1352
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: because he loved you.

1353
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 3: Girl, That's what he were saying.

1354
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: He's working on You're working on it.

1355
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: So can I ask you?

1356
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 5: Then?

1357
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: At fifty three, my ex was also up up there

1358
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: over the hill. Can I ask how your how your

1359
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: sex stamina has changed over time? You starting in your twenties.

1360
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: People assume that when you're younger you have this stamina

1361
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: and this sex thing.

1362
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 5: It's weird because I I feel like I'm still like

1363
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 5: I'm still you know, natural, Like thank god I never

1364
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 5: went that direction because it's still I still get aroused,

1365
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 5: you know, girl turns me on. We're gonna have great sex,

1366
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. If I'm not into it,

1367
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 5: it's frustrating because I want to be into it. But

1368
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 5: if I can't, if I can't click, then it's just

1369
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 5: like you know, so I say so much psychology.

1370
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: Luckily it's still.

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: You're you're in your head then a lot because well

1372
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: when I say it too sex where it is very physical.

1373
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: Here we go with the goddamn sign. It's always a

1374
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: horror we in la. Everybody done brought up goddamn sign.

1375
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 4: Okay, I've got quick ones for you. Just got to

1376
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: know this before we get out of here. New pussy

1377
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 4: or in love pussy.

1378
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 5: Everybody likes pussy, I mean, but when you're in love

1379
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 5: if it's yeah, I mean yeah, and we can go

1380
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 5: that way if we get there.

1381
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds like new pussy, is it

1382
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: sounds like?

1383
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 5: But but I've been I've had the love pussy, which

1384
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 5: was bomb, which was bomb, which was really bomb, and

1385
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 5: actually it's still bomb.

1386
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I know, that's right, that's not only but

1387
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: I still only fans are porn hug But is it

1388
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: only fans porn hug.

1389
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 5: You know, porn hub Never really I've never been embraced

1390
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 5: by porn up. Somebody asked me the same thing, like.

1391
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: They said, welcome, they said, right, They're like I can't.

1392
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 2: Find your porn, I said, I know, they never that's true.

1393
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't.

1394
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, wait, why I don't you know, I don't know.

1395
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was something personal, something, you know,

1396
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1397
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: I thought I was typing in something wrong, so then

1398
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was okay. Really, I was trying to

1399
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: like look up some titles from your movies and.

1400
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: You know, and I love this industry. I've been through

1401
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: hailing back for this industry.

1402
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I didn't bring it up.

1403
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: You know, I've been through so much I wanted to,

1404
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, I've been in the bus, parked the bus,

1405
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: you know all that.

1406
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: Have you talked about that on an interview?

1407
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 5: I mean I did when it when I went through

1408
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 5: all that ship and I just got kind of tired

1409
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 5: because it was like I was trying to you know,

1410
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 5: I was just being upfront about everything, and I was

1411
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 5: dealing with people who didn't know the industry. So it's

1412
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 5: like kind of I got to tell you about this,

1413
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 5: I got to established, I got to tell you all

1414
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: these all these aspects of it, and then why these

1415
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 5: things happened in the industry.

1416
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: But what's changed because of this industry? You know, and

1417
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: you know and the change that came.

1418
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: Because of all that ship right y'all can google it.

1419
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1420
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 5: So I mean, uh so when porn hup came around,

1421
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 5: I was really like I thought, I and also it

1422
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 5: was like I was doing a lot of mom and pops.

1423
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 5: I mean we were like very family oriented industry, very

1424
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 5: small niche and when I mean but I mean it

1425
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 5: was like you knew you know the crew, you knew

1426
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 5: your crew, you knew the produce. I would go into

1427
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 5: the production studios or the companies and know the owners

1428
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 5: and hang out. You know, it's just family when you

1429
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 5: go to these award shows, like I still see a

1430
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 5: lot of my friends, you know. I put a lot

1431
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 5: of a lot of myself yeah on everything, and so

1432
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 5: it is personal for me. And so when porn of

1433
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 5: come around, I was like cool. But they were also

1434
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 5: very corporate, you know, outsiders, tech guys, you know, internet dudes,

1435
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 5: they were, you know, and I just maybe I didn't

1436
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 5: embrace it even though I did, you know, I was.

1437
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 5: My website has been you know, I've had it since

1438
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: ninety seven, you know what I mean. I was doing

1439
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 5: emails back then. I still do emails now, you know

1440
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 5: what I mean, I.

1441
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: Still what your newsletters say if I go onto your

1442
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: website and put my email address in them.

1443
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 5: What time used to send all kinds of shit out?

1444
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 5: Used to send all kinds of ship out? And then

1445
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 5: the company the web coming down was using. I used

1446
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 5: to man, I spend so much money on my website.

1447
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 5: It was like it's just drank down to drain ship that.

1448
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 3: They websites are different now, yeah.

1449
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: Waited, I was building shit from scratch. I was. I

1450
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: was trying to I put you know, my my skin,

1451
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: my blessing is in it. I seemen too.

1452
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 5: So so so to ask you a question, I would

1453
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 5: all I love only fans because I think that put

1454
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 5: the power, gave the power to the in porn up

1455
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 5: to the credit that's made it to that performers.

1456
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: Can you know make Yeah?

1457
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 4: I had thought you blocked yourself because when I was

1458
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 4: typing it in and you weren't coming up, I thought, oh,

1459
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 4: maybe he don't want them.

1460
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: To well and and there and there are porn stars

1461
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: that have like sent removed my videos, take them down.

1462
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of things too with that website

1463
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: pulling amateurs.

1464
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 3: Did you see that documentary about Pornhub and kids.

1465
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I watched every porn doctor.

1466
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: It is actually my favorite. It's on Netflix right now.

1467
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: With that white boy.

1468
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 5: Now he's actually a big He's talking about Setti Rock

1469
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 5: to Steffetti with him.

1470
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 3: He was bringing girls from Craigslist to Miami. Oh oh yeah,

1471
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: and did you ever watch it? No, that's oh it's

1472
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: so good.

1473
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: So he was bringing these girls on craigslist, put him

1474
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: in the house, and you were kind of just seeing

1475
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: the classes angels.

1476
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 4: Not that as glad okay, okay, but kind of just

1477
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 4: seeing like the landscape, like, hey, do you want to

1478
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:15,439
Speaker 4: make money?

1479
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 3: Do you want this flight?

1480
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 4: And he talks about how much turnover there was, And

1481
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: there was a girl in there who was twenty seven.

1482
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 4: She was like, yeah, I'm milk porn now and it

1483
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 4: taught me a lot about the landscape beforen girl literally

1484
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 4: getting BV just you know how at risk you kind

1485
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 4: of are just jumping on a plane to.

1486
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, move something.

1487
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's different now and the only fans that you

1488
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 5: have a little more control over it than social media.

1489
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: If you do it right.

1490
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 5: More girls are coming in what I saw, more business minded,

1491
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 5: you know, now they know you know how to market themselves.

1492
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 5: They use the social media savvy and only fans of

1493
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 5: savvy and how they help people market their ship. Yeah,

1494
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 5: you know, they're making billions of dollars. You know, the

1495
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 5: industry has always made billions of dollars in terms of

1496
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 5: sexual health, sexual enjoyment, sexual uh.

1497
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: Education, you know what I mean.

1498
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 5: Uh, I've met a ton of people who came through

1499
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 5: with good ideas, maybe poor execution or you know.

1500
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: Uh, And but the industry is always you know, gobbling

1501
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: ship up, you know, and evolving and.

1502
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: Evolving, getting better.

1503
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, having these these platforms like

1504
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 5: this sex sales, you know, having you know, horrible decisions

1505
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 5: and talking. I was listening, you know, I like watching

1506
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 5: people get a chance to talk beyond because then before

1507
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 5: I used to do a podcast.

1508
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love fucking little girls and you know, little

1509
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: white pussies and.

1510
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: My black dates gonna do this and that's literally.

1511
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 5: Ciche and so like limiting and boxing and you know,

1512
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 5: and people coming with their stereotypes and projections and and

1513
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 5: a lack of respect just yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1514
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 5: mean I missed Marcus Is. I wanted the respect I

1515
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 5: wanted you to, you know, it was like respect and

1516
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 5: because I would always you know, I'm a respectful motherfucker,

1517
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 5: you know, just just you know.

1518
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: Just show me the respect, I'll show you the love.

1519
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because I kind of felt like during

1520
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 4: this interview I was gonna want to have sex with

1521
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 4: you the whole time.

1522
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to hug you. I want

1523
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: to be a friend. But then you know, and I

1524
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: think it's that if I see, if I happen to

1525
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: see you right out of here, how it can support

1526
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: you today.

1527
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 5: And you know, you go through a bunch I've been

1528
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 5: through a bunch of ship inside the industry and outside,

1529
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 5: so you know, you get your humble like you know,

1530
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 5: and then you get out in the world and you

1531
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 5: see what's going on and it's cool. You just want

1532
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 5: to be better at ship. You want to do things better.

1533
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 5: And it's sometimes not about you. It's about who's listening,

1534
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 5: who's who's watching, you know, who needs to looking for guidance.

1535
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 5: You know, you never know how you're gonna And I've

1536
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 5: seen you over the years. It goes beyond the sex.

1537
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 5: Second great great, Yeah.

1538
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: Literally inside and out? Yes, this is yeah.

1539
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: I would I would love to know. You said you

1540
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 3: dumped a lot into your website.

1541
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: How can any of our listeners support the work you've done,

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Speaker 1: especially with own like that you own, How can they

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: purchase or watch it and make sure to put money

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01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: in your pockets? I mean, just stay tuned.

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Speaker 5: I mean I wouldn't. I don't want people to spend

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 5: money on ship that I'm not. Actually it's I mean,

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 5: if you go I'm only fans, you'll see some scenes

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 5: that I put up there that you know that never

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Speaker 5: been released.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's it right now, there we go the only fans.

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01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: We can't put it in the description of this episode

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01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: because I don't know if we can put only fans links,

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: but we'll make sure to post it on Patreon. That's

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: where you can.

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01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: Find it right right right, right right right.

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Speaker 5: And you know, there's there's projects I'm working on that

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 5: are more mainstream, so they can support that I want.

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 5: I want love it, yeah, and I'll be I'm always

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 5: supporting other formers, other productions of other people doing anything

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01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 5: in the adulta street that's positive.

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Speaker 1: So he said, I'll be coming to a theater near you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Markets for joining us. We hope that

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01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: y'all enjoyed this episode. If you guys want more bonus content,

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: make sure you support us over on Patreon. That's patreon

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Speaker 1: dot com backslash Horrible Decisions. This has been yet another

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: episode of horrible Decisions. I'm your girl, Mandy baka pant

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: Saton aka each Hey, y'all, I'm easy. What's really say?

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01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm the sex, I'm a rat, a boy. I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do something different. I have a bone

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Speaker 1: to pick. Okay, pick the bone. I was sucking a

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01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: lot of bones, but you can pick the bone.

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Speaker 4: I have a bone to pick with friends that don't

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 4: realize that you're not being a bad friend if you

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01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 4: set a boundary with trauma dumping.

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Speaker 1: Okay, literally when you were like, y'all god with these angles.

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Speaker 4: I just got a text about how I haven't been

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Speaker 4: there for somebody and girl, I feel like we give

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01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 4: a certain amount of hours. Okay, why don't you get

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 4: a certain amount of hours with me? I'm finished?

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Speaker 1: How do you communicate that though, or do you or

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: do you just like remove yourself because you've been you

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: feel like you've been dumped on enough? Like, how do

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01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: you respond to that when you reach that point? Like

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01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: basically I had dubbed a few of her calls.

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Speaker 4: We were in London, but when she called me today

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 4: and asked me if I'm back, I literally was like, girl,

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01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of having a mood, like I really

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01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 4: can't hear. And she feels like I'm not being there

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01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 4: for her. And she basically feels like she wants to

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Speaker 4: keep her business private from other friends, and I'm the

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Speaker 4: one that she trusts with the info. But like, it's

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Speaker 4: really hard to talk to someone that's depressed. You be

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01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 4: on the brink of being depressed, right, and so I

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 4: don't know what to say. Do I send you a

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 4: therapy gift card?

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Speaker 5: Bro?

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Speaker 4: I feel like you gotta have some discernment and think

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Speaker 4: about how much you are unloading on somebody. And I especially,

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Speaker 4: I would say be in it for her.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's specific to not her overall well being

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01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: or depression, but it's about a nick, like it's about

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01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: a man, Like if someone's going through it, it needs

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: to pick me up.

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Speaker 4: That's different than someone that's like constantly trying to figure

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 4: out what they can do to, you know, not get

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01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 4: someone's attention.

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01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 3: But just like what did I do?

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01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: What did I do wrong?

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Speaker 3: And I'm not doing this blah blah blah.

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: Like waste. You know she might be with a narcissist too.

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: You ain't never gonna do nothing right for these nick

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01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: to me. To me, so I am very adamant actually

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Speaker 1: with drawing the boundary with my friends and their partners specifically,

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01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: because once you've said enough but you've stayed, baby girl,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hear about it anymore.

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01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: So like to me, when it comes to the friendships

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: that I have, specifically, our friendships are able to exist

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: depending like beyond whoever you're dating or not. But to me,

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: once you've come to me about how this nigga and

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Speaker 1: did you wrong? Did you wrong again? Did you wrong again?

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: Like I got to the point where I stopped talking

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Speaker 1: to my friends about That's why y'all motherfuckers heard it?

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Speaker 1: My friends wasn't hearing nothing about my ex memo, No, bitch,

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: you don't even win back? How many times? So I

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: even stopped sharing with my friends because this was a

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Speaker 1: person that I knew, all right at this end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I keep going back.

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Speaker 3: Nobody else to hear that shit.

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Speaker 1: But no, and I get that, like nobody like that.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing, right and we know it. But so

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you as a friend, I love you dearly

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: to all my friends. This is this is literally how

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01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: I communicated to my friends. Friend al, I'll be like, friend, bitch,

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01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: you know I love you. Right, Let's talk about your

1635
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: career the next trip. We going on the size genes

1636
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: you can now fit into the tiktoks that we fucking

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: come across. Share all the memes you want a baby girl,

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: that nigga not not here, brut on my phone? That

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: about someone we know. Literally I have to do that.

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. Let's go on Instagram. Look at

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: this bitch. What a way awful. I'm fine with that.

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01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: I have removed for so many of my friends, especially

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: when they choose to stay with a guy for eons.

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: So it's where, oh bit, you're not gonna leave him

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01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: until you ready. You're not gonna waste my my three

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: minutes on that ship. Hold boys do.

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Speaker 3: On the contrary, what.

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Speaker 4: My homeboys when they're feeling hurt, they call me about

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 4: how wacko bitch was okay, are almost a little too much,

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 4: and it starts to become a little triggering because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: is a nigga talking about me like this is a

1652
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 4: nigga talking about me like this one of you. But also, baby,

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01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 4: you were so into her last month.

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01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: Now she's trash. Now she's I literally had. One of

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: my homeboys was like, oh my god, this bitch I

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01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: hallo sex worker energy now and I'm like, okay, I

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: understand she's a bottle girl. Wow. How fye.

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Speaker 3: Your first date was a vacation that you took her on?

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Standard do you think?

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Speaker 1: You said?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:13,879
Speaker 1: A trick? I think that there is. You can definitely

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: dump on your friends too much about your relationship, but

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Speaker 1: I think as the friend instead of dubbing the calls

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Speaker 1: to where now she doesn't feel hurt or scenes