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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. If you are hearing this

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Speaker 1: the day it comes out here in these United States,

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Speaker 1: then happy Thanksgiving to you, super producer Max, to you

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Speaker 1: knowl and I guess to me it's weird to say

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Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving to yourself. Gobble gobble, Max, Gobble gobble gobble,

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Speaker 1: who likes uh you guys, you guys turkey? Boys like

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Speaker 1: turkeys turkey. I have a complicated relationship with turkeys. They're

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Speaker 1: one of the few birds that I don't get on with,

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Speaker 1: one of the few animals so I don't get on with.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, we talked about it both

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Speaker 1: on Stuff they want, you know, and Ridiculous History. There

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Speaker 1: can be they're aggressive, it's true, but also like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, has anyone ever really attempted to have a

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Speaker 1: domesticated pet turkey a little leash perhaps with a little

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Speaker 1: collar on it. You know it's been done, you know,

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Speaker 1: someone's statistically likely, but seemingly a bad form. But yet somehow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a slaughter. These these big beefy boys and populate

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Speaker 1: our Thanksgiving tables with them. Remember the whole of course,

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Speaker 1: you remember it still goes on, the whole pardoning of

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Speaker 1: the turkey thing. That's an interesting tradition, don't you think.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys ricking Morty fans? Yes? Yeah, Have you

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Speaker 1: guys seen the episode of Rick and Morty where Rick

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Speaker 1: turns himself into our Turkey so they can get a

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Speaker 1: pardon from the prest have Yeah, I've seen every episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's worth it, especially if you're a Rick and

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Speaker 1: Morty fan. That's the episode to revisit today. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we're we're friends with Dan Harmon. We've been on his

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Speaker 1: show Harmon Town, and he's come over to our show. Stuff.

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Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. That was a roller

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Speaker 1: coaster of a conversation and it went in unexpected places.

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Speaker 1: In that spirit, this episode, which is a holiday episode,

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Speaker 1: is not going to talk about some of the things

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Speaker 1: you might expect from a Thanksgiving episode of a history show.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about, you know, turkey partning

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Speaker 1: too much because we we all know that story. You've

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Speaker 1: probably heard the history of Thanksgiving, either the real version

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Speaker 1: or the sanitized version countless times growing up in the States.

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Speaker 1: Instead we decided to look at this through the angle

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Speaker 1: of one of our favorite things in all of history. Food. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is something that is close to you, regardless of

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Speaker 1: what you eat, where you live, or even if you

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Speaker 1: if you've never eaten turkey for some reason, this still

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Speaker 1: affects you. No, we're talking about TV dinners probablarly known

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Speaker 1: as microwave meals. Right, Yeah, I love that TV dinner.

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Speaker 1: I guess any dinner contectively to be consumed in front

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Speaker 1: enjoy your stories. Yeah. You don't really need any extra stuff,

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Speaker 1: don't need any condiments. I mean, you know, I personally

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Speaker 1: thing they fear the most is having to overthink cooking

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Speaker 1: You know, a military thing, Benn. And you've collected some

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Speaker 1: And this is where our research associate for today, Max Williams,

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Speaker 1: result of a mistake and accidental discovery. Percy Spencer was

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Speaker 1: Clarence Bird's Eye was the pioneer for the freezing methods

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot to Bird's Eye story. I think

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Speaker 1: the post them serial company. They are not a name

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Speaker 1: of some of these Raisin Brand in particular, and the

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Speaker 1: Guest film. So they dropped the ball on or they

425
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: dropped the bird, I should say, on over buying turkey,

426
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: and they didn't want it to thaw and go bad.

427
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: So what they did instead was they got ten refrigerated

428
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: railway cars, kind of like the stuff you would see

429
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: on on on the rails today. And they knew the

430
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: refrigeration for these cars only worked when the train was moving,

431
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: so they shuttled trains back and forth, This is a

432
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: true story, from Nebraska to the East coast, just boom

433
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: to the East Coast, boom to Nebraska, just in a

434
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: desperate bid to an expensive bid to keep the stuff frozen.

435
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: All the executives were sitting there in the boardroom going on,

436
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: come on, come on, uh, let's not forget too that had, dude,

437
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: that couldn't have been an inexpensive property. Yeah, man, serious

438
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: ticking cloth. Uh. And then like again, sort of like

439
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: with the Scotch tape situation, you had kind of a

440
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: junior salesperson or like you know junior. Yeah, salesman, a

441
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: guy named Jerry Thomas who remembered seeing these like aluminum

442
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: trays in distribution warehouses that he visited in Pittsburgh. These

443
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: were the same kinds of trays that you see stacked

444
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: in those kind of racks like on airplanes for you know,

445
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: in all the old days of sort of like PanAm

446
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: early airline food kind of situations. And he just kind of,

447
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, planted this seed with the Swanson execs and

448
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: what if we you know, package this all together with

449
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: like like a meal, you know, with complete with with

450
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: stuffing and peas and uh sweet potatoes and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah,

451
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: they did, and they did something smart. So remember we

452
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: talked about turkey fatigue. That's what I like to call it.

453
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: It's a real problem. You know, they knew it would

454
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: be the wrong move to try to say, hey, wasn't

455
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: the last Thanksgiving where you got stressed out with your family?

456
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: Wasn't that awesome? Don't you want to relive that? They

457
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: knew that was a dumb idea, So they tapped into

458
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist of another invention sweeping the nation. Television. Uh

459
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: that same year they sold more than twenty five million

460
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: instances of this product by not calling it Whoops too

461
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: much Turkey. Instead, they called it TV dinners. For ninety

462
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: cents a package, you could get this thing that was like, now,

463
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: it was part of your TV viewing experience. Hey, honey,

464
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to slave away in the kitchen. Sit

465
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: down with us and let's see what's on the quiz

466
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: broadcast or whatever. It's it's a it's a futurist concept, right,

467
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: which which was so is microwaves, and now we think

468
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: a microwave is sort of like a last resort. You know,

469
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: any microwave dinners are fine, but like they're you know,

470
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: not nearly as good as like a home cooked meal

471
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: or even like reheating leftovers on the stove or something about.

472
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's come a long way. But

473
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: I would also say, Penn, you could probably credit this

474
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: with with single handedly creating the TV tray industry. Oh,

475
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: it definitely goes to that level. Now, there have been

476
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: people who were eating on trays by a radio or

477
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: something beforehand, but this but no, but something. Yeah, I

478
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: think you're onto something. And this origin story about our

479
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: guy Thomas is sometimes debated and sometimes people will say

480
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: you you should give a lot more credit to Thomas's bosses.

481
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: The company itself credits Gilbert and Clark Swanson with dreaming

482
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: up that iconic three part plate and the TV name.

483
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: And you know, you'll hear stories that swants that Gilbert

484
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Swans in particular was inspired by an airline food tray

485
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: while flying to just Banker. But there's this other thing,

486
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many things. There's an urban legend now, right.

487
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: There's the also the idea that Gilbert thought of the

488
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: name TV dinner because he had people over for a

489
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: party and everybody's watching the TV. But folks were balancing

490
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: the trays on their laps or balancing plates of food.

491
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: So you know, take it as you make. Someone at

492
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Swanson came up with it. I tend to be a

493
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: fan of the underdog and the common man, so I'm

494
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna go team Thomas on this. It just seems a

495
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: little convenient for the official Swanson company to say, oh,

496
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: are fearless leaders came up with it. But if that's

497
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: the truth, that's the truth. Thumbs down from the company

498
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: line company line line. H But but even just the

499
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding it or bonkers you know, the idea of

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00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: like the ticking clock, like you know, as as as

501
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: dull as the invention of TV dinners might sound as

502
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: the subject for like a biopic, I could see this

503
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: part being kind of tense. Yeah, I mean this is

504
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: like again, this is another great opportunity for Ridiculous History

505
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: Studios and the extended Ridiculous History Universe. We would make

506
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: an awesome, awesome feature on this, and we can say

507
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: that with certitude because we know there's more to the story.

508
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: So these are TV dinners, but as student listeners, you'll

509
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: notice the timeline of this stuff and the timeline of

510
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: the microwave they don't line up. The TV dinner makes

511
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: it into the American household. Before the microwave, what what

512
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: you needed to do was pop this in an oven

513
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: and wait twenty five minutes, which doesn't maybe sounds super

514
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: convenient for a lot of people these days. Right, you

515
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: can still see this as a preparation instruction on chicken

516
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: pot pies. Right, you can put it in the microwave

517
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: for what eight to twelve minutes or something or better

518
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: in the oven. It's always a thing like with a

519
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: crust like that that is essentially uncooked pastry. You know

520
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. You want in the in the microwave,

521
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be soggy and not as good, or you

522
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: can put it in the oven for you know, thirty

523
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: something minutes, and a lot of people, no judgment. A

524
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of people want to save the time and they

525
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: just settle for something that tastes a little less crispy.

526
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: I think it was this Smithsonian article that you found,

527
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: Max that had one of my favorite facts from Kovie

528
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: by a Colo who we've mentioned on the show before.

529
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: A brief history of the TV Dinner Covid points out

530
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: that some people were writing angry letters to Swanson because

531
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: TV Dinners got so popular. They were saying, Hey, Swanson brothers,

532
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: you know I can't even get a home cooked meals

533
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: in my house anymore. It's always always TV dinners. I'm

534
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: sick of the turkey or something like that. We're paraphrasing

535
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: by saying some people and not just saying men, right,

536
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: angry angry angry dudes. Maybe some proto in cells in

537
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: the basement. And no, we didn't mention that the the

538
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: packaging of these things was designed to look like many

539
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: television's A little tuning knobs uh so, I think that.

540
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. Yeah. So they hit grocery stores

541
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: right September nine fifty three, huge success. By that same

542
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: time next year they have sold ten million units. The

543
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: year after that, they've sold twenty five million, and people

544
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: loved it. They also expanded, right, it wasn't always just Turkey.

545
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: After they saved themselves from the Great Turkey Crisis, they

546
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: they started going into Salisbury steak, pot roast things like that.

547
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: You know, I ate Salisbury steak as a kid, both

548
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: homemade and and TV dinners, and I remember really liking

549
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: it was quite young until I had my first actual steak,

550
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: and you know, it was like a meat of the

551
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: gods straw, the fool Situationally, I felt so built. Yeah,

552
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Salisbury steak is kind of like it pales in comparison

553
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: to just the texture and the flavor of of of

554
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: a real piece of steak. But it's more like meat

555
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: low f Really, it's really kind of more of a

556
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: meat product. It's a pound of beef patty, Yeah, like

557
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: a mcribb or like hamburger in Japan. Muh so. But

558
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: the sauce is good, way, people like sauces. Sauces great.

559
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: Other companies, you know, similar to what happened when Bird's Eye,

560
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: Like we were saying other companies like Staffers and then Banquet,

561
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: Oh we forgot about Banquet. They got into the game.

562
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: This became a huge business for food manufacturers. It was

563
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: a synergistic effect too. It's like TV wanted to promote

564
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: this too, right, because of the association with their medium.

565
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: He started getting all these celebrity eat tie ins essentially,

566
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: and you know it being shielled on I Love Lucy

567
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: and gun Smoke and all that stuff in the same

568
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: way that now we have, you know, all these TV

569
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: and movie tie ins with like cereals and silly products

570
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, you make an

571
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: excellent point there because think about it. If you're manufacturing TV,

572
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: so you're making programs for television, then you want people watching, right,

573
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: So now if you can sort of infiltrate their traditional

574
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: meal time and say, hey, instead of sitting around at

575
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: the kitchen table eating and talking about your day, tuning

576
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: into guns Smoke or I Love Lucy or what have you,

577
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: and eat TV dinners while you do it. This became

578
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: a symbiotic relationship between the two industries and a quite

579
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: successful one, because no one really could have predicted this.

580
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: Television was a massive hit and very quickly it didn't

581
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: take long to catch on. I want to shout out,

582
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: by the way, Filo Farnsworth another stuff. A genius guy,

583
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: Filo Farnsworth invinced the concept of television when he's like

584
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: fourteen as a farm boy. He's plowing across a field

585
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: line by line and he thinks, huh, what if I

586
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: could send images this way line bio line the way

587
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: that I'm plowing this field. That sounds crazy, but it's

588
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: true and it lets you know how far the mind

589
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: can wander. Would you have to do work like that?

590
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: So shout out to Filo. Okay, I yield my tipe. No,

591
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: it's fine, now, it's very very fascinating, and it's it's

592
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: it really really is that kind of outside of the

593
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: box thinking that that creates the most bizarre and incredible

594
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: innovations of humanity? Really, so I have a question for you,

595
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: uh and and new Bet in New Max, what credit

596
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: is due to the brainstorming under lane that happens upon

597
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: a genius idea and then the company takes it and

598
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: runs with it. You know, no, not you can leave

599
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: maybe morally, Let's say, like, is is he owed a

600
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: stake in the company? You know, is you know? I

601
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: mean that's I really am asking seriously, I'm not being

602
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: cynical about it. Like he you know, he claims this

603
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: guy he was given a thousand dollars in nineteen fifties bucks,

604
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: which would be probably more like a hundred thousand dollars

605
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: right today, roughly, I'm guessing. And a promotion, a relatively

606
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: vague promotion. But it's like, you know, it was it

607
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: was brainstorming time the guy opened his mouth. He had

608
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: an idea and then it was executed by the company

609
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: and they had the product to do it. Like, are

610
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: they stealing this guy's idea? Well? Is it parallel? Thinking?

611
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: Would somebody else have come up with it? Anyway? Like

612
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: what is a truly unique idea and what is owed

613
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: to the person that like spits it out into existence? Well,

614
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,959
Speaker 1: I have some thoughts on that. First off, in any

615
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: large organization, Unfortunately, what tends to happen is if it's

616
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: a good idea, all of a sudden, everybody had some

617
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: sort of contribution, whether or not that's the case. And

618
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 1: it's an unfortunate reality of how self centered people can be.

619
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: Now as far as whether this is a unique innovation,

620
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to point out that while while

621
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: our boy Mr Thomas may not have been the only

622
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: person to think of this thing, he was Swanson was

623
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: one of the few organizations that had five hundred and

624
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: twenty thousand pounds of turkey to bring to bear. Right,

625
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: So it's no longer just a conversation some you know,

626
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of a lot of folks working

627
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: in the tech industry or consulting or engineers who are

628
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians. And often companies require you to sign

629
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: some sort of agreement that says anything made with company

630
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: equipment or on company time belongs to the company. So

631
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: you can run into stuff like that ethically, however, it's

632
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: just my opinion. Ethically, I am a huge believer in

633
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: giving people credit where it's due for what they have done.

634
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly important, increditively important. Oh so we're

635
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Speaker 1: gonna miss but uh, but it is a good question. No,

636
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: it is a good question. Well, let's just I I

637
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: think I'm with you on all of those points. I

638
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: just think, you know, in the heat of the moment,

639
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: it is interesting where you know, like someone doesn't have

640
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: the bargaining power, let's say, from their position, to ensure

641
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: that their idea pays them dividends for like the rest

642
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: of their life, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, and

643
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: then I know, like so people who have pet peeves.

644
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: Everybody has a few pet peeves. People who have a

645
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: lot tend to be pretty chill about them. People who

646
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: have only a few tend to get a little zealous

647
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: about them. And uh, I know I'm preaching to acquire

648
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: here for a lot of us tuning in. But one

649
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: of my pet peeves, for instance, is hearing an idea

650
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: concept that I made hold back to me as though

651
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: it was not my idea in the first place. And

652
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: that is something you know, that's something that people encounter

653
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: in the corporate world all the time. So shout out

654
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: to everybody, I think on behalf of the showing say

655
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: the shout out to everybody who feels like you have

656
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: been in a situation where you come up with a

657
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: banger idea and all of a sudden your bosses say, hey,

658
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: I've got an idea. Oh it's like that high on

659
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: potent news sketch exact, you know, I mean, like it's

660
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: all about who said a lot. And this also happens

661
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: not to get on a soapbox here, but with sexism,

662
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: like with with with women, for example, maybe who have

663
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: an idea but they don't say it forcefully enough, or

664
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: it's or they're just not a man. And therefore when

665
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: a man repeats it, you know, or the boss, and

666
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: it makes it their own, then it gets the attention

667
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: that it maybe didn't get when somebody who maybe is

668
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: viewed in a company culture as less than um put

669
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: it out there. So yeah, but with this, oh, here's

670
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: a way we can segue back. So Filo Farnsworth weird story.

671
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: Speaking of credit, Filo Farnsworth only makes one appearance on

672
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: television and the entirety of his life. And he's on

673
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: this show where you have to guess why someone is

674
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: famous or what what makes them a notable figure. And

675
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: he was on this show called I've Got a Secret,

676
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: and they tried to guess his secret, and you know,

677
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: he answers these questions from this panel, and his secret

678
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: was I invented electric television. No one could guess it,

679
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: and so he won the game and his prize was

680
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: eighty dollars and a carton of Winston Cigarettes. Good job, Filo.

681
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: But uh, but that that happens in fifty seven, and

682
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: television sweeps the world before then. In nineteen fifty less

683
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: than ten percent of people had television sets, but by

684
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: five more than sixty four percent of US households had TVs,

685
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: by more than eighty seven percent. That's that's a rise

686
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: so precipitous that it outdoes the cellular phone. It's nearly

687
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: a hundred percent adoption, which is probably close to that today.

688
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean there's definitely you know,

689
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: obviously there can be a backlash against that, and there

690
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: are stuff course cord cutters, but even now, the TV

691
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: manufacturers have figured out how to you know, integrate TVs

692
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: into cable less homes, like with smart TVs and apps

693
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So I would argue that

694
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: number probably is very close to the same today, if

695
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: not a little bit higher. Oh yeah, it's it's probably

696
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: a higher. I mean, you know, we're cord cutter generation

697
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: over here, so a lot of people, you might not

698
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people are getting rid of cable. But

699
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: you probably do have a TV in your home for

700
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: games you like to play, or you have a connected

701
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 1: to a computer, right, or you could say you don't

702
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: need a television because your computer monotcher does all the

703
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: things you want a TV to do. Still still very

704
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: much the same thing. Swanson is, you know, not in

705
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: a vacuum. Here, Swanson has their finger on the pulse.

706
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: They saved themselves from the Great Turkey Crisis. They knew

707
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: a good thing when they saw it. So what do

708
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: they start making TV commercials? Commercials for TV dinners on TV?

709
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: How exhibit is that? So? So they kind of pimp

710
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: their TV dinner ride and they also get pressed from

711
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: celebrities like you alluded to earlier in old nineteen sixty

712
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: two talking to New Yorker, Barbara Streichs said says the

713
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: best fried chicken I know comes with a TV dinner

714
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: and that you couldn't write better copy than that, you

715
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And she apparently told this of

716
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: her own volition to the New Yorker in nineteen sixty two.

717
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: Because at this point, this is probably this is innovative.

718
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: So it's almost chic to be like leaning into the

719
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: TV dinner craze at this point, as opposed to it

720
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: becoming kind of ghosh a bit later, right, It wasn't

721
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: looked at as uh, food for people who hated cooking,

722
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: or food for people who are somehow less successful. Right,

723
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: it was looked at as the food of the busy,

724
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: the early adopters, right, the movers and the shakers. And

725
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: now if we fast forward, we see that this stuff

726
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: just expanded, right, it diversified their through their microwave desserts

727
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: a plenty. In the sixties, Swanson starts making TV breakfast

728
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: TV lunch kind of things. Campbell's gets in the game,

729
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: of course in nine three. By this point they're Swanson's

730
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: parent company, and they introduce Hungry Man, which are you know,

731
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: larger meals aimed towards surprise hungry dudes. And then, you know,

732
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: in the seventies, we get it starts to kind of

733
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: go off the rails a little bit with like sort

734
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: of tastemaker kind of poorly placed taste maker attempts. Let's

735
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: just say by this one since take on Polynesian style dinner,

736
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: which is like completely not anything that would even resemble

737
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: food you might get in Polynesia. And critics take note

738
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: because now this really is kind of encroaching on you know,

739
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: fine foods and on like, you know, the idea of

740
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: fine dining. So you have a lot of like kind

741
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: of New York Times New Yorker types who are turning

742
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: their nose up at the thing now and now it

743
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: is kind of becoming more ghost and a little more like,

744
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, the the the meal of of the tasteless consumer. Yeah,

745
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: because there's always a backlash in the world of arts

746
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: and culture. And this is something I used to talk

747
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: about at length with our old pal and felt ridiculous

748
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: historian Casey Pegram. There's this recursive logic, right, if something

749
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: gets too popular too quickly, there's going to be someone

750
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: who comes out as a contrarian, right, and they say,

751
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: this is uh, you know, the emperor has no clothes.

752
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: So of course, people like New York Times food critic

753
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: back in nineteen seventy seven would say TV dinners, you know,

754
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: they're basically too popular. They have there for people who

755
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: have no taste. And this cultural critique begins, this national conversation.

756
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: One newspaper out of Shrewsbury, New Jersey says, well, hey,

757
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's more about the value in the convenience.

758
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: Sure it's not a Michelin restaurant necessarily, but in what

759
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: other way, can I get a single serving of turkey,

760
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: a portion of dressing, and the potatoes, vegetable and dessert

761
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: for less than dollar for something like sixty nine cents.

762
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Also, people who are on diets

763
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: liked it from what we read, Yeah, exactly. And then

764
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: you start getting things like lean cuisine and again I

765
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: don't know the exact history of that, but as an example,

766
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: or weight Watchers, because it is uh even today like

767
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the really expensive subscription meal plan you know,

768
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: weight loss kind of like solutions are frozen dinners that

769
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: that you know, get shipped to you like in these

770
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: kind of refrigerated boxes or whatever. Um. So that makes sense,

771
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: the whole built in portion control just don't go for

772
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: the hungry man style. But it is actually only just

773
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: now through all of this that the biggest innovation of

774
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: all kind of comes nineteen eighties six when the Campbell's

775
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: Soup company invents the microwave safe tray. So up to

776
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: this point we've been you know, twenty minutes in the oven.

777
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Now this is cutting down prep time for these things

778
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: to just you know, twelve minutes thirt less than that,

779
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: even depending on the size and the and the type

780
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: of of of dish. Yeah, this is where the TV

781
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: dinner becomes the microwave meal, and people are already nostalgic

782
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: for the TV dinner. There was one columnist who said

783
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: progress is one of full but I was still miss

784
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: those steaming creekly aluminum TV trees. Uh and uh. Now,

785
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: if you have been around for the past couple of years,

786
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: you know that there was a global pandemic, one that

787
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: continues today despite the news moving on to different stories.

788
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: It turns out that the COVID nineteen pandemic was huge

789
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: for frozen meals. People who didn't want to cook and

790
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: who would usually go to a restaurant or something found

791
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: that their favorite restaurants were closed to one degree or another.

792
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: So people were by nearly fifty more frozen meals in

793
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: April as compared to and Uh. Then you saw kind

794
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: of fancier stores like Williams Sonoma stock fancy gourmet TV dinners,

795
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: So we didn't even talk about that part. Now, micro

796
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: wave mules and TV dinners have also moved into the

797
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: world of like gourmet Upper Echelont and Whole Foods, Trader

798
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: Joe's type stuff. You can get it organic, you can

799
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: get a vegan, gluten free all sorts of neat cuisines

800
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: from around the world that taste pretty close in some

801
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: cases to the actual traditionally cooked versions. It's it's pretty neat. Also,

802
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I didn't I I think I saw this of one

803
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: Atlanta restaurant over the past few years. They were offering

804
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: frozen versions of their restaurants or restaurant offerings for carry out. Yeah,

805
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: did you try any of those? No? But I mean

806
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: I have noticed more of that lately with like T

807
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: G I Fridays, you know, potato loaded potato skins and

808
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: PF Chang's, you know, but whatever, like orange chicken. But

809
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: usually I mean, if the if the chain restaurant dishes

810
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: even that good to begin with, the microwave version is

811
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: probably gonna pale in comparison. Yeah. Yeah, And in this

812
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: case we're talking to about, uh, maybe restaurants that aren't

813
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: chain restaurants. But I've figured out how to you know,

814
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: from some family meal. Yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, No,

815
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that's neat. There's certainly, especially certain restaurants or

816
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: bakeries say that make like a really beloved lasagna or

817
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: like a really like like a family meal thing, and

818
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: you can get that frozen ready to freeze. That's great.

819
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: Casseroles such for soul food and now frozen meals are

820
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: here to stay. Uh. They're not all unhealthy. That's a

821
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: bit of a stereotype. They're not all super fancy, obviously,

822
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: but almost everybody has tried one and enjoyed it. They

823
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: are all kinds of options, and we owe it all.

824
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: We really do owe it all in part to Jerry

825
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: Thomas and his solution to a massive mistake by the

826
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: good folks over at Swanson. So thanks, what do you

827
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: say we that's started. That's our company line here. Thanks

828
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: to you, Jerry. Yeah, and all the Jerry's of the

829
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: world that don't get credit for their ideas. Yeah, go

830
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: eat some frozen turkey Swanson. So so I didn't even

831
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: talk about what that Swanson money did for right wing

832
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: punditry than you can google it yourself, though, google it yourself.

833
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Well we yeah, we'll take you to the edge of

834
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole or that turkey turkey roost, turkey hangout.

835
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, since it's a holiday and we

836
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: might guys, we might be accompanying someone right now as

837
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: they're getting away from their family, or as they're like

838
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: washing dishes, or as they're cooking, and they just say, oh,

839
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: don't talk to me. I'm listening to something very important.

840
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: If you need a note from to your family from us,

841
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: let us know we got your back, and here are

842
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: some things to give you a laugh, some terrible jokes. Well,

843
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: what do you call a group of featherless turkeys? M

844
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, Ben, what do you call a group

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Speaker 1: of featherless turkeys? I'm so glad you asked a cluster pluck? Uh? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: just one more, just one more, just one more here?

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Speaker 1: Why did the turkey cross the road to prove he

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Speaker 1: wasn't a chicken? Yeah? Classic classic format there, classic format.

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Speaker 1: So well you can also say because it was the

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Speaker 1: chickens day off. Yeah that's good. No, that's good. Any

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Speaker 1: judges will accept both. Yeah, this was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: We went long, but we again, we wanted to give

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Speaker 1: you some time. Uh if you if you need a

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Speaker 1: little escape for these holidays. I hope this finds you

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Speaker 1: much as always for tuning in. We wish you the

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Speaker 1: happiest of thanksgivings to those who celebrate uh. And if

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