1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Floomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: if it comes to that? As the President said, our 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: one China policy has not changed. Floomberg Sound On Politics, 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Policy and perspective from DC's top name, Pennslvani is very 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: good at what they do when it comes to elections. 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Contrary to what some former presidents might say. Donald Trump, 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: you know he's won some and lost some so far 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: in this election cycle, but his endorsement still really does matter. 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio, Joe 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Biden says, yes, America will defend Taiwan militarily if China invades. 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Where did he say that? Welcome to the fastest hour 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: in politics as the President makes news on his first 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: trip to Asia, not just the kind of White House wanted. 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: Discussed the impact of the trip, as well as the 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: latest from Ukraine following a very busy weekend with David 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: garden Stein Ross, the CEO of Valens and adviser at 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. Later the White 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: House monitoring the monkey pox outbreak. Are you up to 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: date on this we're gonna speak with an expert, infectious 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: disease expert Dr Matt Lawrence from the University of Maryland 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: about what it might mean for policy and possibly the economy. 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: And a day before the Georgia primary, we assemble our 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: signature panel for analysis with Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis. So here we are back together again 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: in a Monday, a new week of opportunities, or so 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: we like to think, and we're starting to get used 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: to this routine. As the White House moves to clarify 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: comments from President Biden about Taiwan. This time, the President 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: was in Tokyo news conference with the Prime Minister formal 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: news conference reporters in the room. Joe Biden asked about 32 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: the One China policy and our willingness to defend Taiwan 33 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: from China. Again. We've been down this road a lot 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: of times, and unlike many news stations today, we're going 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: to play you the entire exchange. Okay, the reporter and 36 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: the president. Here we go. You didn't want to get 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: involved in the Ukraine conflict military lye for obvious reasons. 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan. 39 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: If it comes to that, you are, That's a commitment 40 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: we made. That's a commitment we made. We are not. Look, 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: here's a situation. We agree with the One China Policy, 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: we signed on to it and all the attendant agreements 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: made from there. But the idea that that it can 44 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: be taken by force, just taken by force is just 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: not is just not appropol dislocate the entire region and 46 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: be another action similar to what happened in in uh 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. And so it's a it's a bird that 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: is even stronger. Okay. So the question was are you 49 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: willing to get involved militarily in Taiwan? She said, if 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: it comes to that very direct question. His answer was yes, period, 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: one word answer. That almost never happens in politics or anywhere, 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: one word a yes or no answer. But again he 53 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: just mentioned the One China Policy. The President also said 54 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: at the same event that the US was not changing 55 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: its policy towards Taiwan, which the White House then underscored 56 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: for the rest of the day. Nothing to see here 57 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: moved right along, and a short time later the sect 58 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: death chimed in. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin hit that 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: home from the Pentagon. As the President said, our one 60 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: one China policy has not changed. Uh he uh reiterated 61 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: that policy in our commitment to peace instability across across 62 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: the Taiwan straight But as you'll read on the terminal, 63 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: the president, the President or and or his aids have 64 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: had to clarify his remarks on Taiwan four separate occasions, 65 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: leading some to wonder if maybe that's actually how he 66 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: really feels. Sometimes it comes out remembering that just last 67 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: week China's top diplomat said that the US members going 68 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: down a dangerous road when it comes to Taiwan. There 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: were well aware of this, and after a meeting of 70 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the Quad nations here on the trip that's the big finale, 71 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: the trip US Japan, Australia, India, you wonder how Beijing 72 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: and be feeling. Then that's why we wanted to talk 73 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: to David David Gartenstein Ross, the CEO of Valence, Senior 74 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Advisor on Asymmetric Warfare at the Foundation for Defensive Democracies. David, welcome. 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: I want to start with these comments from Joe Biden 76 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: before I ask you about some other things. Should we 77 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: just believe at some point what he's saying. When it 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: comes to Taiwan, I'd say no, because the US IS 79 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: policy is more than just a policy of the president. 80 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: You have this embarrassing spectacle each time Biden answers directly 81 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: where the White House, which Biden, of course is the 82 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: head of, then tries to walk back what he said. 83 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: So obviously we should believe that this is what Biden thinks. 84 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: What the U. S thinks is different than what the 85 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: president thinks. Find to make the difference. But but you know, 86 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: sometimes the truth comes out when you speak publicly a lot, 87 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: and so this does sound like it's coming from his heart. Right, 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: realizing that's not necessarily the policy of the administration, he leads, 89 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: that's your point. Well, yeah, and so if the question 90 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: is should we believe that this is what's in Biden's heart, 91 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: absolutely we should. He said it too many times to 92 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: think otherwise. But US policy is a complex thing. You 93 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: can see this even you can see this across almost 94 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: every administration we've had recently. If you go to the 95 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: Trump administration, there's Trump versus the Deep States, right, at 96 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: least the way it was framed publicly. You know, what, 97 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: what is the US this position, Well, that shows the 98 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,239 Speaker 1: US being an opposition with itself. In this case the bidens. 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: It's nowhere near as extreme, but you still have this 100 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: lack of unity and the statements that are being constantly 101 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: walked back by the White House after the President says them. 102 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: Of course, Beijing likes to read between the lines. I 103 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: suspect as well, what is the combination the vat of 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: these remarks based on just the projection of power that 105 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: we've seen since the trip began, going through South Korea, 106 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: going to Japan, culminating with the meeting of the Quad. 107 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: Overall a successful trip on the whole um, there were 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, a few different issues at play. One big 109 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: issue is North Korea. I think when it comes to 110 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: the North Korea issue, we can see Biden this trip 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: as being a win. What he wanted to do was 112 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: make sure that US allies in the region were basically 113 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: unified on North Korea issue, and that there is the 114 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: appearance that all like the the US, that Japan and 115 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: South Korea and other lies are ready to ACTI visit 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: the North Korea nuclearization. There's the issue of China and 117 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: its relationship with Before you move to China, though, David, 118 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: there was no nuke test, right, isn't that a win 119 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: for the White House? Absolutely? It was. Yeah, at least 120 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: a perceptual win. One can debate causality and the like, 121 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: but yes, I think there's no doubt that that's a 122 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: win that the White House can claim. Do you read 123 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: into that? I don't, because North Korea is so unpredictable. Um. 124 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: If you if you look at even expert level North 125 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: Korea watchers and look at how their predictions age once 126 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: they get to a falsifiable clearing, the record is not 127 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: great and so I don't read too much in I 128 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 1: do say that the White House can claim credit. Whether 129 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: it deserves credit is you know, a complex causal question 130 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: that we will leave to the stages. Got it? So 131 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: China's watching all of this happened from the well, the 132 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: other side of the wall. I guess we'll say that 133 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: what are they thinking in Beijing? I think, um, they 134 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: probably have two opposed thoughts at the same time. On 135 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: the one hand, UM, I think that the trip did 136 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: a good job of showing that the US is on 137 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: the same page with other allies who President Biden visited 138 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: when he took his trip to East Asia on the 139 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: other hand, I think they can take some solace in 140 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: m Biden's statement being walked back by the White House. 141 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: You're seeing the US and at least somewhat policy disarray 142 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: is probably relatively heartening. So I think that that they 143 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: can take, you know, more than one message away. But 144 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: on the whole, I think the message was was one 145 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: that Taiwan is not isolated, um that ultimately numerous states 146 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: are concerned about a possible Chinese invasion into Taiwan, and 147 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: that doing so would certainly be different braatically and economically 148 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: costly for China to be. The backdrop here, of course, 149 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: is a war in Ukraine, one that we are very 150 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: heavily funding here on on behalf of the Ukrainians. The 151 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: President couldn't answer the question about Taiwan without referring to Ukraine. 152 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: It's certainly present in the conversation here, and I need 153 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: to ask you about what is going on in Ukraine's 154 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: war against Russia, and of course our involvement. We heard 155 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: today not only from the Secretary of Defense, he was 156 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: briefing with General Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, 157 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of concern about what's going on in 158 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: the Black Sea here, as Russia essentially helps to starve 159 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: a good chunk of the world by blocking off ports 160 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: that would Ukraine would be using to export wheat and 161 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: other grains. UH. General Milly talked about the Black Sea 162 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: as a very dangerous place here. We've got reports at 163 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: this point that we may be equipping Ukraine UH with 164 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: with more naval weapons, torpedo boats and so forth help 165 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: go after the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. General 166 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: Millie speaking to this part of the world today here 167 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: he is, we don't have any U S naval vessels 168 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: in the Black Sea. We don't intend to unless directed 169 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: UH and right now it's a bit of a stalemate 170 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: there between the Ukrainians. Wanted him to make sure that 171 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: there's not any sort of amphibious landing against Odessa, UH 172 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: and the and the right now, so that's it's a 173 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: it's a no go zone for commercial shipping. As an 174 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: expert on asymmetric warfare, divied when you consider what's happening 175 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: there and the idea of the US staying in touch 176 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: with and upgrading the weapons that we're providing, along with 177 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Russia's hope to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea, 178 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: what do we see happening in the next weeks. The 179 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: next week is is hard to predict. But I want 180 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the stakes here, right 181 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: because you mentioned the failure to open the ports, and 182 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: that's come up um in a number of different contexts, 183 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: including being raised by the head of the UN World 184 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: Food Program at Davos at the World Economic Forum. Um. 185 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: You know the there are Ukraine is the world's breadbasket 186 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: in many ways, right the farmers grow enough food to 187 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: feed four dred million people and right now you have 188 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: um multiple people by some accounts, maybe fifty million people 189 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: who are knocking on famine's door across multiple countries. Forty 190 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: three different countries have the risk of major food crisis, 191 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: and so the ripple effect is substantial in terms of 192 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: human costs. So there's greater pressure to do something to 193 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: fat absolutely there is. Does the United States get involved 194 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: more in a naval battle in the Black Sea is 195 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: my question. So if that's the question, I think the 196 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: answer is a resounding note the US is not. In 197 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: my opinion, the US is highly unlikely to get involved 198 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: in direct military action. It's likely to continue indirectly as 199 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: it has been. There's some unpredictability. But it seems that 200 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: President Biden does not want a direct military confrontation with 201 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Russia and that part is not evolving. David Gartenstein Ross, 202 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: the CEO of Valens, also an advisor the Foundation for 203 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: the Defense of Demography. Democracy is great insights and thank 204 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: you for being with us the panels. Next, this is Bloomberg. 205 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg you Sound On with Joe Matthew 206 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. So the actions in Ukraine helped to 207 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: drive talk about Taiwan during President Biden's trip to Asia, 208 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: and I suppose we should not be surprised by that. 209 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. Welcome to Sound On. It's 210 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: time to assemble the panel from Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie 211 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: Shenzano and Rick Davis with us on the fastest hour 212 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: in politics. Genie, you know, with this president, with Joe Biden, 213 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: sometimes the words just come out. Is he telling us 214 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: what he really believes that about Taiwan? But he clearly is. 215 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: He said it at least three times publicly, you know, 216 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: and when you listen to it, I had a little 217 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: bit of deja vous back to his last foreign trip 218 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: when he talked about regime changed Visa VI Vladimir Poo 219 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: and another white host walked it back. But you know, 220 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: it's also a I think important to ask the question, 221 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: who thought in this world that if Taiwan was invaded 222 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: by anyone that the US would not be involved. Clearly, 223 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: any war game you look at the US is involved in, 224 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: Taiwan is invaded. So he is saying, I think what 225 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: he believes, he's saying where US policy has long been 226 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: drifting and should be. You know, the big question here 227 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: is did he say it at the right time in 228 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: the right way. You know, has he explained it clearly 229 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: enough as it differentiates from Ukraine to the American public, 230 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Those questions are clear. But the fact is this has 231 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: been US policy for some time. It's where we're going, 232 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: and it's not really a surprise except that he sort 233 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: of said it with a one word answer on this 234 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: overseas trip. Yeah, he takes yet yes or no answer 235 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: to that is is quite remarkable. Rick. Why was he 236 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: trying to to poke the Chinese a little bit there 237 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: to actually do this intentionally knowing it would be walked 238 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: back within minutes. No, I think this is really his 239 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: speaking from the heart. As was mentioned earlier in the interview. Uh, 240 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: this is I think what he thinks, not what his 241 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: policy United States. I mean, it wasn't just a yes 242 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: or no answer. The thing that I thought was interesting 243 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: is he says it's a commitment we made UH to 244 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: defend Taiwan. And I'm not exactly sure what commitment that 245 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: is because that is not the one China policy. We 246 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: We've agreed to give Taiwan the necessary means to defend 247 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: itself and so, but Jennie's right if he wants to 248 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: then enter into a conflict with China, he's going to 249 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: have the ability to do that. That doesn't necessarily have 250 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: to be US policy, but it can be the actions 251 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: on the Biden administration, and that that's probably what he's forecasting. 252 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that this is remembered well or not, Genie. 253 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: It's hard to tell within hours of something like this, 254 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: But you total, has it been a successful trip? The 255 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: President is making his first foray in the Asia here 256 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: with a lot of very important allies he will be 257 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: meeting with tomorrow the Quad following the visits to South 258 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: Korea and Tokyo. How's it gone? You know? I think overall, 259 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: it's gone as well as can be expected. You talked 260 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about the issue with North Korea. Um 261 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: the Mini t p P announcement. You know, I I 262 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: think that's a bit more difficult for the administration because, 263 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: quite frankly, the problem Biden, in any US president has 264 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: there is our problems with domestic problems with trade versus 265 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: anything going on overseas. So, you know, to talk about 266 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: a t p P, imagine him trying to get something 267 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: like that through Congress right now. You know that is 268 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: so prone to so political turmoil over here. That's a problem. 269 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: But I think overall he's shored up relations in the 270 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: best way he can. He's trying, I think rightly so 271 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: to follow up response to Russia's invasion in Ukraine and 272 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: tell China don't even think about it, because the United 273 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: States has no choice, quite frankly, given our economic relations 274 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: and everything else, but to respond. And let's just be clear, 275 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing ambiguous about that. Everybody knows it. The question 276 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: is when do you say it. Well, that's right, Uh, 277 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Genie is referring to the t p P light if 278 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: you will, the Mini t PP They call it the 279 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Indo Pacific economic framework about a dozen countries here, Rick, Uh. 280 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: It's kind of a set of standards, but it's been 281 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: criticized because it doesn't actually open any new markets to anyone. 282 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: Is is this just window dressing to kind of have 283 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: a point for the trip. Well, it's it's it's a message, right, 284 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was. It was brought up during the 285 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Obama administration. Trump knocked it out as part of his 286 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: administration signal he withdrew from it. It set a signal 287 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: to the region that, um, we were going to vacate 288 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: the region. China moved in with its own version of 289 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: an exit export import Bank and a trade developed Bank. So, 290 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the big chess pieces of the region have 291 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: have needed more US engagement, and so one this trip 292 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: does that. It re engages the president ahead of the 293 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: country in in the region too. It sends a clear 294 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: signal that our trade lines are open, that they're not 295 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: going to have to go to China to get a 296 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: deal on trade. UH. And and I think especially UH 297 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: the South Korea trip, they are in a tight position 298 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: right there bordered by both China and and UH in 299 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: North Korea, and I think showing support for them in 300 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: a region where you know they live in a very 301 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: dangerous neighborhood. Was particularly important at this time because they 302 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: are such a great ally, as are the other members 303 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: of the of the of the quad. So um, I 304 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: think it's a very successful trip just because he took it, 305 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: you know, and he had a few little things to 306 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: go along the way to bolster the agreements. But the 307 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: fact that he's there shows we can do more than 308 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: one thing at a time, well, not just wrapped up 309 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. That the showing up is is something it 310 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: hadn't happened yet. We talked a lot an about the 311 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: pivot to Asia. What does it tell you that Kim 312 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: Jong un decided not to set off a nuke? You know, 313 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: it's hard to read anything he does or doesn't do. 314 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: But I have to say, and I agree with Rick, 315 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: the fact that you're we are handling our responsibilities visa 316 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: of the Ukraine and Asia at the same time shows 317 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: that this idea of a pivot is so twenty tens. 318 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: We're so beyond that. We have to do both. We 319 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: have to be able to handle our responsibilities in in 320 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: Europe rather and Asia at the same time. And I 321 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: thought one important thing the President said, unlike his Economic 322 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: Advisor over the weekend. He said a recession is not 323 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: inevitable in the United States, and we got that on tape, right, 324 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: and that's maybe a political problem for him. His administration 325 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: won't go so far. So I think that's another important 326 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: statement that came out of this that's been under discussed. 327 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: The first read from Rick and Jennie on the trip. 328 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: Here there with us for the hour, and we will 329 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: bring the panel back as we turned to monkey Box next. 330 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: Are we ready for this? We'll talk with an expert 331 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: on infectious disease and what this might mean for policy 332 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: and public health. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg broadcasting 333 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: live from our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, Bloomberg 334 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: eleven Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one, O six one to 335 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Bloomberg nine six to the country, Serious x 336 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: M General one and around the globe the Bloomberg Business 337 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: app and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is Bloomberg Sound 338 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew. We have yet to win the 339 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: war on COVID cases arising again in a number of cities, 340 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: including New York and Well, here comes monkey Pots. The 341 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: White House tamping down concerns. We're gonna learn a lot 342 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: more about it though, from an expert. Dr Matt Lawrence 343 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: from the University of Maryland will be here next. The symptoms, 344 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: they say, begin with fever, headache, general lethargy. Not talking 345 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: about COVID, talking monkey pox up the speed. Here a 346 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: rare and potentially deadly cousin of the smallpox virus, and 347 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: it's now spreading in areas we tend not to see 348 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: monkey pox Europe and North America. Now before COVID, you know, 349 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: this may have just stayed under the news media radar. 350 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Not now though. It's a big story, whether you want 351 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: it to be or not, whether it deserves to be 352 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: or not. So we need to learn about a President 353 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: Biden offered initial remarks when he was first asked on 354 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: his trip to Asia. These are remarks that have since 355 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: and clarified. Here's the first swing. What question, What if 356 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: your health advisors told you your level of concern should 357 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: be about monkey pox and the patents that in the 358 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: United States around the world. Well, they haven't told me 359 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: the level of exposure yet, but it's something that everybody 360 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: should be concerned about it. We're working on art figure out, 361 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: what can we do, whatev may be available for it, 362 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: but it is concern, said spread spons a concern if 363 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: it were to spread, consequential whoa uh what. The President 364 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: then clarified his remarks not much later, as he spoke 365 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: in Tokyo. I just don't think it rises for the 366 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: level of a kind of concern that existed with COVID nineteen. 367 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: But I think people should be careful. Oh well, that 368 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: sounds better. The President's COVID response coordinator, they call him 369 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: the COVID czar, says more cases are likely to follow. 370 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: We heard from Dr Ashisha, the White House Coronavirus Response coordinator. 371 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: Here's the state. I would not be surprised if we 372 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: see a few more cases in the upcoming days. Anytime 373 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: we haven't infections, these outbreaks like this, we should all 374 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: be paying attention. So everyone's paying attention. But there's not 375 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: a lot to worry about. Is that what I'm hearing? 376 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: The President says the US does have enough smallpox vaccine 377 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: stockpile to deal with the outbreak. Pretty great news. We 378 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: didn't start COVID that way, But he says people still 379 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: need to be careful and we want to compare notes 380 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: with an expert, as I mentioned in this case, an 381 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: expert in infectious disease. Dr Matt Lawrence, professor at the 382 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: University of Maryland School of Medicine, is with us right 383 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: now to help us learn a little bit more here. Doctor, 384 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about this or is the President getting 385 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: right in his clarified remarks, Well, it's something that we 386 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: should definitely pay attention to and something that we should 387 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: track and trade. As far as the likelihood of it 388 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: causing significant illness and hospitalization in the general public, it 389 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be fatal for most individuals, so it's 390 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: not rising to the level of concern such as COVID nineteen. 391 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: Makes you feel better to know we have an ample 392 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: supply of smallpox vaccine or does it not get that far? Well, 393 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: absolutely so. We do know that the smallpox vaccine is 394 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: highly protective against monkey pox. But as you know that 395 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: the majority of the US population born in the nineteen 396 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: seventies and after are not vaccinated against U smallpox, So 397 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: this would be a concern for that piece of the population. 398 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure that we need to go and 399 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: vaccinate everyone for small I'll come down. Yeah, Well, the 400 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: level of transmission is very low for this illness. So 401 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: with monkey pox, it requires contacts to spread, so it 402 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: can't be spread through the air through respiratory droplets very easily. 403 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: You'd have to be really close to someone and they'd 404 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: have to cough on you pretty hard, and you'd have 405 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: to be hit with those respiratory droplets to be infected. 406 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: We understand that it is sexually transmitted. That is correct, 407 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: Doctor it at Here's that that could be the case. 408 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: We're learning more about this particular outbreak and there have 409 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: been statements from Europe that that suggests that there is 410 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: sexual transmission that's involved in the current outbreak that's occurring. 411 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: But very little is known about this virus in terms 412 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: of how it spreads and how it's evolved. Well, so, 413 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: Dr that said, how do policymakers respond to this appropriately. 414 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: We're coming off of, you know, the historic pandemic here. 415 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I like to think we're coming off. It feels like 416 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: sometimes they're going back in. But based on what we've 417 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: learned from COVID, based on some of the hesitancy that 418 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: we've seen from Americans in the age of COVID, what's 419 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: the most effective approach for policymakers and for this administration absolutely, 420 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: So what we should prioritize now are the standard epidemiology 421 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: practices of identification of affected individuals, isolation and quarantine to 422 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: stop the spread, and then continued monitoring of others that 423 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: are coming from areas that are affected or who have 424 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: been close contacts. These will help to contain the spreads 425 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: of of the monkey park. Well, this will this result 426 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: in new travel warnings, mandates, etcetera. Are we going to 427 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: start keeping people out of the country coming from certain places? 428 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Probably not to that degree. There might be heightened surveillance, 429 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: and individuals if they've been exposed to someone but simply 430 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: traveled to an affective country probably will not have implications 431 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: as far as limitations and restrictions. Well, I'll tell you, 432 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: do you ever think we'd be talking about this one? 433 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, has this been on your radar? Doctor? It 434 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: certainly hasn't. But you know, as recently as last year, 435 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: two cases were identified in the United States, one in 436 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: Texas and one in a patient in Maryland. So it's 437 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: not something that we've never seen before. It's just this 438 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: particular outbreak appears to be large and and show different 439 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: UH mode of transmissions. Potentially compared to previous outbreaks. Well, 440 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: I hope that next time we talk to you it's 441 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: to say, gosh, good thing you will, right, doc, because 442 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: it does have a different level of urgency in the 443 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: age of COVID. Dr Matt Lawrence. Great to have you, 444 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: a professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, 445 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: an infectious disease expert with us on monkey pocks here. 446 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: What's next, Well, the panels next. Maybe we'll get into 447 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: this for a minute, but we have to prepare you 448 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: for primary day tomorrow. It's a big one. Brand Trump 449 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: on the line in Georgia, and Rick and Genie have 450 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: the analysis coming up on the fastest hour in politics. 451 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 452 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Three more states vote tomorrow, 453 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: another important primary day, one of the most important yet 454 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: with Georgia voting. It's personal for Donald Trump, they say, 455 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: and a couple of big races that he could have 456 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: trouble winning at least his endorsed candidates. But well, we 457 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: still need still know the outcome of the last one. 458 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania Republican Senate Republican primary this is the big one. 459 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: We endorsed Dr Oroz over David McCormick. There within hundreds 460 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: of votes now, and it does appear a recount is likely. 461 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Let's get into it with the panel Bloomer Politics contributors, 462 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Rick Davis, Genie Chanzano, Rick, Uh, this is I'm gonna 463 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: go to our recount, right It's inevitable at this point, Yeah, 464 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: it's inevitable. Right now, the current count has the uh 465 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: little over nine hundred votes between Dr Oz and David McCormick. 466 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: So that's about as close as it gets. And right 467 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: now the expectation is be a recount and then it 468 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: should be over by and around June seven. They're already 469 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: arguing about undated ballots. Genius, and we're gonna believe the recount. 470 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: That's the big question. You know, you heard even Rna McDaniel, 471 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: the the head of the RNC, she said ballots should 472 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: not be counted with a date. But of course, in 473 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: an unrelated case, you had a judge come out in 474 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and say you can count on dated absentee ballots. 475 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: What timing for that? And of course the McCormick campaign 476 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: seized on that, and Oz's campaign shot back that they 477 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: are acting like Democrats, and you know, so what I agree, 478 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: there's obviously going to be a recount, whether people will 479 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: believe it. What's so fascinating here is this is Republicans 480 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: on Republicans, you know, questioning about this vote count and 481 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: what you can trust and what you can't. And you know, 482 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: you have to wonder if this keeps going on, at 483 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: what point do Republicans start to question this entire idea 484 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: that the election was stolen because now other people and 485 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: their own party as saying their own votes shouldn't be counted. 486 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: So it's a big mess for Republicans. John Federman out 487 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: of the hospital, uh Rick Davis, we talked about this. 488 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: He had a stroke couple of days before the primary. Wanted, 489 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: uh without you know, any issue at all, a commanding 490 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: lead here. Is this the best thing that could happen 491 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: to him? This recount underway? Now, Well, it's certainly Stimey 492 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: is a Republican launching and consolidating his campaign and consolidating 493 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: the Republican Party of Pennsylvania. So sure, I mean, anytime 494 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: you can get a couple of weeks head start in politics, 495 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: you want to take it. But he's got to do 496 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: it himself, right, He's got to convince people that he's 497 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: healthy enough and vigorous enough to amount a campaign. So 498 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: I'd say both Republicans and nevergrets have their own challenges 499 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: to overcome. Uh, and it will be interesting to see 500 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: who's best at doing that even before the real campaign starts. 501 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: Speaking of stealing elections, Genie, it's onto Georgia tomorrow kind 502 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: of the I don't know if you could say that, 503 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: call it ground zero or for the controversy at least 504 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: because Donald Trump blames governor, Brian Campy blames the Secretary 505 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: of State, and these are the two races that we're 506 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: watching here. It appears his chosen candidate, at least for 507 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: governor and former senator for Due is just it's it's 508 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: it's such a long shot that it's basically impossible for 509 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: him to win this. Now he's he's down boy over 510 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: twenty points. Yeah, it's pretty much over. Kemp has started 511 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: focusing on the general election obviously versus Stacy Abrams. And 512 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: you know what's fascinating to me was when Kemp has 513 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: been asked by reporters, he says, oh, I have a 514 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: good relationship with Pence who's obviously endorsing him and Trump, 515 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: and then he went on to say I'm not mad 516 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: at Trump, He's mad at me, which is you know, 517 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: it's actually a really interesting response because you can bet 518 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: that when this is over and certainly Kemp wraps this up, 519 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: that Trump is going to find a way to turn 520 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: this around. But I think Kemp has been telling voters 521 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: throughout the state that listen, let's focus on what's going 522 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: on here. We're not going to listen to outsiders, and 523 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: that has worked for him. He's twenty points up over Perdue, 524 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: who stopped even running ads at this point, so it 525 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: is very much over. It's got the r g A 526 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: behind him here. Rick. He's also got a guy named 527 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: Mike Pence bold enough to campaign for him against the 528 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Trump endorsed candidate. Uh. There was a tweet earlier today 529 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: from Jonathan Martin at the New York Times and came 530 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: out with that most recent book about Trump that had 531 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: all the Kevin McCarthy tape on it. He started the 532 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: tweet by saying, the rupture is now complete? Is he right? 533 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: You know? Look, I mean the Republican governors met recently 534 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: in Arizona and said they're tired of this vendetta tour 535 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: and they're gonna take a position against it. Um. So 536 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: there are there are a lot of Republican governors who 537 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: are pretty upset with this uh prosecution that that that 538 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: that the president, the former president has done against them 539 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: because they because they counted and certified an elections, got 540 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the election today. I would say 541 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: Brian Kempt is right. Donald Trump does not like him. 542 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: He spent two and a half million dollars of his 543 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: pack money, which for him to spend any pack money 544 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: is uh really interesting development. But uh, this is a 545 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: hard fought race, and I would say not only Mike Pence, 546 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: but his former chief of staff Mark Short who's now 547 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: been working for Brian Kemp, wants to make sure that 548 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: they exceed the fifty percent threshold to not have to 549 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: do a runoff and that they can do a victory 550 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: lap around Donald Trump. That is the number one thing 551 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen tomorrow. The brad Raevensburger the Secretary of 552 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: State race, the other big one that people are watching. 553 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: You ever heard rick of a congressman stepping I guess 554 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: down to run for a state office like this? Well, 555 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: this is another uh Donald Trump inspired campaign. I mean 556 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: he really is to take out um Brad Rafsenburger and 557 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: and recruited Jody Heist to run in this race. So 558 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: you're right, Uh, he's taken one for the team in 559 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: this regard, but the team Trump Uh really Uh this 560 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: is another dangerous one though it's a dead heat right now. 561 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: But if Brad Rathsenburger pulls this out, it'll be a 562 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: real down day for Donald Trump. Well, that's for sure. 563 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: Uh what's your expectation on that one, Jennie, You know, 564 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: I think it's really too close to call, Like like 565 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: Rick was saying that they are neck and neck at 566 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: this point. But if you can imagine if you have 567 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: Jody Heist, Wind and mast Triano in Pennsylvania, in two 568 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: critical states, you will then have secretaries of state in 569 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: place who questioned the validity of the election. And of 570 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 1: course reports out this weekend shows that that is, you know, 571 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: where we have many candidates on the Republican side and 572 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: those that Trump endorsed, and that raises real trouble for 573 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: well this time tomorrow and of course the once we 574 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: have the results on Wednesday, we're gonna be talking a 575 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: lot more about this. There's got some good ones in Arkansas. 576 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: We've got three states voting tomorrow. Georgia, though, is going 577 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: to be taken up all the ink, likely because of 578 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: these two races. I'm gonna take this opportunity to just 579 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: remind everybody, encourage everybody, especially if you're just showing up now, 580 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: to subscribe to the sound on podcast. And I I 581 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: feel more of a need to do that knowing that word. 582 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this. There's ever more competition. Even Ted 583 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: Cruz has his own podcast now. Of course people use 584 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: the term podcast loosely. This is an online video segment 585 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that he produces, uh and boys getting a lot of attention. 586 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: He even got Genie's attention, which is why I'm talking 587 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: about it now. I don't First of all, I don't 588 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: know why every elected official needs a podcast, but then again, 589 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: that's the age we're in. Everyone gets a show and 590 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: he's making news. Not talking about a politician, but Pete Davidson. 591 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: You guys watched Saturday Night Live Pete david I was 592 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: actually excited when I found out, you know, we had 593 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: to wear masks because I figured this sounds really crappy 594 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: to say, but like I figured lest people would recognize me, 595 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: but it didn't work, because everyone can still recognize me 596 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: from my eyes. You see someone who looks like he 597 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: just woke up and hasn't slept in days. That guy 598 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: he just had his last show on Saturday Night dating 599 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. Now, and Ted Cruz just doesn't get it. 600 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: He's got a podcast, it's called The Verdict. He talks 601 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: to some other guy remotely about it while he's sitting 602 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: in a big easy chair with a microphone, big mic 603 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: stand the senator from Texas as they talked about something. 604 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: I what was it? Toxic femininity? Kim seems fine, she 605 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: U B s N L. Guy. I don't, I can't. 606 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: I don't know what uh I mean? Pete david said, 607 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: all right, how come that dude gets all of these 608 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: like hot women because of toxic femininity? Senator? What that 609 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: is the evidence that something has gone wrong? Pete Davidson 610 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: was dating Kate beckins Dale. I mean, you're talking underworld. 611 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: You're talking like super hot vampires in black leather trench code, 612 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: and you're like, really this an L dude? Like wow, 613 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: that's Ted Cruz, the senator, Harvard educated senator from Texas. 614 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: It's even been mentioned as possibly being on the shortlist 615 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court. Genie, you own this wouldn't be 616 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: talking about it right now without you should elected members 617 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: of Congress have podcasts for starters, well for starters. Everybody 618 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: should go to sound On listen to that podcast is 619 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: the best podcast. Um. And you know, I'm so sorry 620 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: I brought this up. I was just so stunned. As 621 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: much as I cover everything going on, he's making an 622 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 1: ad with this, though, come on to learn that Ted 623 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: Cruz had this podcast and it wasn't policy oriented. He 624 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: was there focusing on why you know, women find Pete 625 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: Davidson attractive and so you know, it was stunning to me, 626 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: which is why I brought it up. And you know, 627 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: I think I will just join with Bihar Joy Behar 628 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: who said today that people like people men and women 629 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: like Pete Davidson because he's funny. Ted Cruz, He's very funny, 630 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: and I'll leave it at that. Just make him laugh, Rick, 631 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: just make him laugh. Uh. But you know, look to 632 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: hear the senator there describing his affinity for leather clad 633 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: vampire women, seems like it might be a liability someday 634 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: down the road. Is that just me? Well, I can't 635 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: wait to see what his wife is wearing on Halloween. 636 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: That's all I can say. Super hot vampires everywhere in 637 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, tidy, Come on now, I mean, this is 638 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that that people wish for when 639 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: they're running ago. Although I don't know in this day 640 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: and age we're in the Trump age, Rick does it matter? 641 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: I think it will help him if he's I mean, 642 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: he's such a tweeve, I mean, Harvard educated lawyer. Are 643 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: you kidding me? Anything that could get him more in 644 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: tune with Joe six pack? He'd be doing well by 645 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: doing that. Unbelievable. Uh, Genie, you're gonna make me subscribe? 646 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there's more where this came from. I'm assuming right, 647 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: there's got to be. I am not a subscriber. I've 648 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: actually never heard it until this crost sure, but I 649 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: will say I am a subscriber to sound On. So 650 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: so just well, just keep talking about sound on and 651 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: maybe Ted Cruz can listen to sound On and get 652 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: some tips. That's right to the Senator, who I know 653 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: loves this broadcast as well. When he's here in the 654 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: nation's capital. Are driving around with the satellite receiver. Do 655 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: us a favor and subscribe to Bloomberg Sound on the 656 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics, with the best panel, Rick and Genie. 657 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: Back to my sorrow. This is Bloomberg.